WEBVTT - Geoff Collins Fired + Lucky Teams 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.880 Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me. I'm 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:08.119 a man, I'm for it. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.119 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.080 be happy. You want to be happy for a day 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:13.000 at the steak? 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:19.279 Is that woo woof? And Dan and tie welcome back 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:21.880 to the solid verbol, boys and girls. My name is 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.360 Ti Hildebrand. That fine gentleman over there in a quasi 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.040 matching quarter zip is Dan Rubenstein. We did not do 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.080 this on purpose if you're watching the video, but alast 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:35.839 we are not changing because we're comfortable. Frankly, Dan, how 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:37.160 are you? I'm good. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:41.879 I am a company man because Roeback sponsor can continue 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.360 to be I think we're both a weaaring Roeback. So 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.120 you know, shout out to these quarter zips. They're very 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.680 comfortable as the is it. The weather's turned a little bit. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:51.519 I know you're on the East coast and you got 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.600 some storms along the seaboard. You're not on the seaboard, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.440 but uh weather's turning. It's fall correct that that is correct. 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.960 The house is getting a little chillier at night. The 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.919 snow dog that is downstairs that you may hear barking 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:09.120 at some point during this broadcast is enjoying it much 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:14.520 more than anybody else. But alas it is the end 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.039 of September, it has been a September to remember in 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.640 many respects. On today's show, we're going to talk through 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.720 what it looks like moving forward for some teams. We've 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.640 got this term called LOR luck running out. 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.720 You just said lor What did I say LR? 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:33.679 You just said l R, which is how I screwed 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.280 it up because I'm dumb on our previous show. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:42.440 Excuse me, yeah, LRO luck running out teams We're going 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.040 to talk through. We're going to try to figure out 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.040 is it a luck thing, is it not a luck thing, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.160 Who's good luck, who's bad? Luck? Is set to run 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.040 out the ro or not or not correct? I was 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.360 going to talk through some of the news of the 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.160 past couple of days, most notably Jeff Collins getting fired 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.920 at Georgia Tech. Todd Stansbury, the director, also out go 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.240 through some of those candidates. This episode, all of our 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:09.680 episodes driven by our good friends over at Geico. Don't 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.600 forget You've only got about what nine ten days now? Yeah, 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.320 Solid Verbolive dot Com, Smell tieshair dot Com. We started 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:22.079 posting graphics. You and I had a long internal production 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.200 call yesterday. Yeah, it's called work tie, It's called work 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.919 cald work, cald work. 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Let's talk us number one not a 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.600 sponsor could be. Shall we get to news? Let's let's 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.880 but I saved my voice these days for the true 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.960 breaking news. It's hard to do in an on demand 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:24.280 ecosystem such as podcasting, so we'll save it, use it 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.800 when we need to the news. I mentioned it at 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.680 the top. Jeff Collins fired at Georgia Tech. It is 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.480 now the third consecutive week that we've had a coach 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:37.920 get fired after dismal results. Jeff Collins, of course was 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.080 rumored to be fired for a while. We kind of 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.360 knew this was coming. It does catch me off guard 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.480 every time it happens after like week four or week 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.320 three or week two. That's just where we are now 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.320 as a sport. Todd Stansbury, the athletic director, also out 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.000 it is of note that Jeff Collins was his first 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.440 big hire, so did not go swimmingly for either of 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:03.000 those two gentlemen. Per our friend Bruce Felman, here are 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.240 some of the names. Dan, we can talk through which 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.280 ones we like, which ones we don't like. But Deon 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.200 Sanders getting some love here. Yeah, Deon Sanders a name 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.560 that Bruce lists first in his coaching candidates to watch. 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.880 Also Jeff Monkin as well as Todd Monkin, the Monkin brothers. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.800 Jeff of course, the head coach at Army, Todd the 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:28.040 offensive coordinator at Georgia, Charles Huff from Marshall, Sean Lewis 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:33.160 from Kent Right, Caine Wollmack from South Alabama, Bill O'Brien, 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.720 the current offensive coordinator for the Alabama Crimson Tide, and 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:42.560 Alex Atkins, currently the offensive coordinator at Florida State. Dan. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.719 Another name that I didn't list here in that initial 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:53.120 batch was Jamie Chadwell because if only based on the 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.479 feedback we have gotten, the early feedback we've gotten on 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.920 our discord server, which you could find overballards dot com. 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.800 Jamie Chadwell, current coach at to Carolina. I'm also a 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.920 name I think very much going to be pursued here 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.719 in this next batch of coach hires. Jamie Chadwell another 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.960 name that could be very interesting given his proximity to 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.479 the job, given what he's done at Coastal, given the 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.920 fact that he's young and innovative, got a hybrid offensive system, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.880 fun to watch. There's a lot to like about Jamie Chadwell. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.239 So if I were to say to you, your option 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.600 is Jamie Chadwell or one of the other names on 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.920 this list, oh man phrasing with option continue, Jamie Chadwell 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.240 or one of these other what eight names that I listed? Yeah? 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:40.200 Which direction would you go? I would go a different direction? Okay? Why? 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.280 I think Jamie Chadwell will succeed on the Power five level. 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.640 But I think Georgia Tech is so specific in that 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.680 it is not a football powerhouse. Right when Georgia Tech 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.120 succeeds in football, which they do and have had stretches 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:59.040 of doing, it almost seems like it's right before Clemson pops, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.560 right right before, like they're filling a vacuum, right when 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.080 the ACC was crazy down and Georgia Tech found itself 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.560 in the AEC championship game against I believe wake Forest 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.560 maybe a Riley Skinner Reggie Ball situation. It's that they're 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.040 an opportunity truck program, that they'll run a system, or 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.080 that they will be pretty good in a year when 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.040 other teams that are traditionally better are not as much. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.840 And so you factor in the academics, you factor in 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.599 do kids want to play college football in a major 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.040 American city as opposed to a college town? Right, if 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.880 you're good enough in Atlanta to play for a major 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.880 power five program, how many do you have within a 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.320 four hour drive, five hour drive, five hour flight, right 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:41.640 that everybody that Atlanta metro area has become an increasing hotbed. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.520 And so do you want to play for a power 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.320 in a traditional college town or do you want to 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:50.280 stay home? And that's that challenge I think, and I 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.000 think Jeff Collins did an admirable job in terms of 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:57.800 trying to transition this program away from the baggage fair 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.040 or not, of the triple of the triple auction, the flexbone, whatever. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:05.599 And it was always going to be a struggle on 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.520 a certain level with how deeply entrenched that recruiting was 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.160 and that system was within the roster to move to 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.400 a different system, to move to a more modern slash 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:23.400 traditional power pro style not option. So it's just going 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.360 to be a challenge for whoever. And now you look 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.560 at some of the other schools that are more academically rigorous, 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:34.119 they're all like in when they succeed Stanford, Northwestern, Duke 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.240 and Duke maybe is not the best example, but like 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.240 Stanford and Northwestern, Vanderbilt did with James Franklin, but he 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.240 was expert recruiter, and you can find quarterbacks to run 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.000 a system like James Franklin wants to run. But Stanford 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:51.560 leans on the offensive lineman thing. Northwestern leaned on three 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:56.240 stars academics defense right that the offense was never there, 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.520 but they hit with some really strong defensive coaching hires, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.280 namely my Hankuets. And so the question for Georgia Tech 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.560 is not how do we become a program that competes 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.680 to win nine or ten games a season, it's how 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.200 do we become a program that wins eight games in 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.280 a very specific way. Does it have to be the 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.360 triple option? You mentioned Jeff Monkin's name, and they succeeded 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.320 under Paul Johnson, But then people got sick of what 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.120 appeared to be a ceiling. And yes, we'll be a 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.560 ball team, Yes we'll beat a good team here and there. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.440 Yes we will run for a kajillion yards, but we 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:32.560 can't really develop defenses running the triple and recruit to 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.240 a good defense running the triple. And we want to 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.080 appear to be more modern and attractive to quarterbacks who 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:43.040 could potentially fit in with Georgia Tech. And so Jeff 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.800 Collins did a good job also of marketing Atlanta as 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.520 like the team of Atlanta, as you know, fraught and futile, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.480 as that may be at times with Georgia owning that 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.160 territory to the degree that it does. So, Yeah, Todd 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.920 Munkin's an interesting name. I saw what Dell McGee I 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.760 think is the Rams running coach. I saw Richard Johnson 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.040 wrote a longer piece that's worth your time at si 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.599 dot com about the Georgia Tech opening, Charles Huff you 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.560 mentioned is interesting because of his experience recruiting in the 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.360 South and the success he had at Alabama and recruiting there. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:21.000 It's it's ultimately going to be somebody who embraces what 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.439 Georgia Tech is instead of what it isn't. And that's 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.760 true of a lot of jobs, and which is why 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.360 I think Paul Johnson succeeded. You're like, this is a 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.320 place where you need to be very specific. His brand 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:37.840 of specificity was that offense, that option offense, and you 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.760 own a Georgia Tech Orange Bowl Champion's hat, do you not? 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.760 I do? It's it's yeah, it's somewhere around here. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.680 So it's leaning into that specificity. And if it's the option, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:52.079 if it's you know, defense and blitzing and just going 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.040 all in on defense and having an offense that serves 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.079 the defense, fine, whatever, I just think it's going. It's 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.920 basically impossible to say we're gonna do what Tennessee did 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:06.320 right a long down, dormant program. But it's in a 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:10.000 college town. There's a history there. I just don't think 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.560 you can if you really want to make Georgia Tech 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.640 a nine win ACC, a ten win ACC type program. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.480 It's gonna take twenty years, right, a twenty years of 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.320 it doing it correctly. So let me ask you about 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.000 Deon Sanders them. Okay, the Deon Sanders angle is. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.240 Very interesting because there's an obvious connection with it Atlanta, 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:33.160 their legend icon. Yeah. Given his professional career, he has 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.559 clearly burst onto the college football scene with what he's 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.440 done at Jackson State, notably what he did with Travis Hunter, 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:43.240 recruiting Travis Hunter away from Florida State last second, big deal, 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.760 big deal in our parts here earlier this year. So 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.280 let's talk through Deon Sanders and what that looks like. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:56.199 Because if Dion comes to Georgia Tech, you would imagine 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.720 there would be something of a boon with recruiting. You'd 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.199 imagine that the folks who are willing to give money 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.760 to that program would be energized and perhaps want to 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.280 give more money. Georgia Tech has shown, at least on 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.120 some level, an ongoing commitment to the football program. They 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:10.560 want to make this thing better, They want to make 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.200 facilities better. There was a like a nine figure renovation 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.920 project that I had read about. So this is not 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.880 a program that is I think, content to just collect dust. 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.360 They clearly want to move things forward. In the fact 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.640 that Dion is out there, given his connection to Atlanta 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.760 is really interesting. I also think there will be other 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.280 jobs that will want to try and court Deon Sanders. 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.680 We're talking about week five now, there's a chance that 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.400 Auburn is next. I'm not rooting for that for Brian Harson, 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.480 but there's a chance that depending on how things go 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.600 against LSU this week in Harson could be the next 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.160 man up. Auburn you would think would also be interested 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:52.000 in a guy like Dion, So any thoughts on Dion 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.319 Sanders and where he might go next. 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.920 So you have to separate Dion Sanders from the big, 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.080 outsize personality who has recruited really well and won a 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.240 ton of games by the way, at Jackson State. Not 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.560 eligible I don't believe for the FCS playoffs, but won 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.800 a ton of games and has done a crazy impressive 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.480 job that I think has surprised a lot of people 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:17.400 given his lack of college football coaching background. So if 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.360 you remove Dion and you're just saying very successful Jackson 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.040 State coach, that leap is unprecedented to go from an 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:29.400 FCS school to a Power five program, especially one in 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.600 a big city with the history that Georgia Tech football 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.720 kind of does. Anyway, that even I remember when at 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.599 a certain point when the Oregon job opened. Maybe it 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.720 was when Willie Taggart took the job, when PJ. Fleck 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.440 was floated by some people in the Oregon universe or 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.400 like Oregon fan universe, and what I had heard in 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.760 coaching circles and hiring circles, and it's too big a 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.439 leap to go from Western Michigan to Oregon is too big, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.040 that Oregon's too major a program, and that when he 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.640 made that move to Minnesota it probably made more sense. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.959 Georgia Tech is not where Oregon is. But to go 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:09.160 from FCS too well, not the not just ACS, HBCU, right, HBCU. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.280 It's an inn jump, that's, like you said, unprecedented that 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.679 I think would be a great story. It'd be a 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.440 great story. And if there were anybody equipped to handle 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.880 the increase in pressure and attention and shaking hands and 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.840 being that sort of major figurehead for a Power five program, 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:28.760 it does seem like it would be Deon. Sandyon could 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.560 handle that. Yeah, Now, Dion Sanders. If we're going to 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:37.720 talk about his presence, his personality, he's already in commercials 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.280 and he was on the NFL network, and he's primetime. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.600 Right, primetime coach Prime. There's not a. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.920 Lot that's cool about Georgia Tech. There's not as much 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.680 college football cultural cachet that surrounds Georgia Tech in the 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.199 way that it surrounds schools in Texas, schools in the SEC, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.680 schools elsewhere in the ACC, schools in the Big Ten, 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.440 some schools in the PAC twelve, right, that there is 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:04.600 a certain fit of like this major personality is now 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.439 fitting in with this place that he can fully be 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:15.199 himself and recruit to sensically, sensibly, sensically sense whatever. That Again, 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.520 I think you have to lean into what Georgia Tech 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:18.600 is rather than what they're not. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.440 Well, I mean, look, let's put it this way. The 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.000 first thing that they need to figure out is what 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.320 is the administrative structure. Yeah, there's no idea in place 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.600 of that, but is the administrative structure, who's making the 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.280 higher what does that look like? What is the landing spot, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:36.560 the true administrative landing spot for whichever coach they decide 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.080 to go out after But I think Georgia Tech, even 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.760 by virtue of getting Paul Johnson when they did, they 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:44.800 prove that they are willing to zag a little bit. 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.680 The institution is willing to take a risk to zag 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.160 a little bit. They didn't do that as much with 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.120 Jeff Collins, who were trying to get away from that 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.760 very specific system. But this could be another opportunity where 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.360 they decide to just fully steer into a personality driven 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.640 program with the Deion Sanders, someone who, by the way, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.600 to your point, has done really well. He's done really well, 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.160 he's recruited well, he's obviously won games. It's a huge 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.040 jump to go from Jackson State to Georgia Tech. But 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.760 I just think it's an interesting example. I really think 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.960 it's an interesting example, and I would love to see 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:15.920 it for Georgia Tech. I'd loved I don't know if 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.160 it would work, but I'd much rather see a guy 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.120 like a Dion Sanders try to take coach Prime and 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.000 all the swagger that comes with to Atlanta place he's 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.160 very familiar with, to a program that is desperate to 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.640 have a better football program than a place like Auburn. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.520 No disrespect to Auburn, but It's just more interesting to 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.480 me to have a guy like that go to Georgia 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.320 Tech and see what he can do with the program. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.480 So we'll seems certainly more to come on this. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.040 I might go Huff depending on what his season looks 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.600 like and how general how different parts of Marshall's program improves, 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.800 obviously as they navigate a new conference. But he's I 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.120 think he's a morehead guy, right, isn't he a joemo 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.280 guy like he was Penn State's running backs coach that 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.240 I think he went to Mississippi State. He was obviously 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.440 at Alabama. I think he had a year or two 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.440 in the NFL. Bruce Felman did write I think a 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.000 feature on Charles Huff and so now having that head 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:10.080 coaching experience, I think that's interesting. None as a good 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.120 recruiter known as somebody who inspired, like he has a 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.640 really strong seeming reputation, and yeah, that's going to get 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:17.880 a game. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:19.760 Resident, He's going to get a game before long, and 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.440 you should. You should. Totally very interesting. It's only going 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.440 to continue to get more interesting as we go through 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.040 here Week five. Who knows what Week five will bring 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.000 on the coaching front. Two other very quick notes A 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:35.200 Naias Smith done for the rest of the year at 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.880 Texas A reportedly a leg fracture. They did not come 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.120 out and say it. They just said it was a 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:44.480 lower Well we're body injury, but leg fracture. Out for 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.520 the rest of the season. Not cool, not cool. Feel 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.040 bad for him, Definitely feel bad for the Texas A 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.400 and m offense. He was a key component of that, 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.080 especially when it goes to when it comes to downfield 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.280 stuff going downfield. So Nya Smith done the rest of 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:05.080 the year. Bummer for him. Hank Bachmeyer on a different note, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.280 for Boise State, it has not been a good run 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.040 for him in the early going so far this season 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.720 for the Broncos. He has decided the transfer out of 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.400 Boise State. Have not seen where he might go next. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:20.720 He's got a year of eligibility left and presumably somebody 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.000 will want Hank Bachmeyer. He's had a pretty good run 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.680 at Boise but not in the early going. Here and 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.160 Andy and Alos. Yeah, he's got to figure out something 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.479 on offense because ten points against UTEP is not going 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:32.879 to cut it. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:35.480 No, I think he's got to figure out something in 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:42.320 terms of Monster dot Com because I just when you 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:47.320 look at trends, and when you look at offense careening 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.720 off a cliff quarterback highest profile. I don't know if 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.560 he's the highest profile or the highest rated. I know 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.600 he was a four star quarterback YE two. Boise State, 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.960 of which they do not have a history of finding 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.480 four star developed a ton of good quarterbacks, but attracting 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.720 a top level recruits to Boise State was a great 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.920 job done by I think it was harsonaire, of course, 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:13.160 but things seem acrimonious on the offensive side of the ball. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.600 They bring in dirt Cutter and I don't know, man, 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:22.280 this type of momentum with how Oregon State season started 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.760 against Oregon State with all the turnovers in the first 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.439 half and the offense just looking like a mess, and 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.240 Andy Ablos, you know, obviously fires his offensive coordinator. But 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.960 it's hard to reverse course, not impossible, but tough to 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.320 reverse course because as we know, and as we're all 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.159 aware this, the bar is pretty high in Boise for 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.280 college football. Like we can talk about the expectations at 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.720 certain places and coaches being let go in Nebraska and 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.720 Tennessee wherever over these past few years, Boise State is 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.520 not an eight win expectation job it just isn't, and 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:59.480 so Boise expects rightfully so given the resources and the 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.720 growth of that program, Boise expects to be in the 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.639 mix more often than not for that New Year's six 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:05.800 Bowl game. 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.280 I think that's totally fair. And by the way, if 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.919 it does go south at Auburn for Brian Harrison, if 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.160 it does continue to go south for Andy Avelos at Boyse, 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.959 perhaps Brian Harson ends up back at Boise next season. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.320 That is not so possible. That is that is not 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:21.680 out of the realm of possibility. 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:26.640 Yeah, it's uh yeah, I didn't mind the higher obviously 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.320 quite familiar with Andy Avlos from his time at Oregon. 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.440 It made sense given he played there and coached there 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.040 and has the West Coast ties. I think he's from California. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:40.840 But this is it's that weird crossover of Boise both 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.199 seen being seen forever and ever as cute little Boyse. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.040 It's cute that they win all these games, and the 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.920 fun crispy they expect to win a lot of games 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:52.640 in that treasure Valley. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:53.480 Yeah. 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.239 By the way, a couple other news items I just 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.640 scan across, and then we'll get into our lucky game. 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.480 Brandt Keithy the tight end for you, like all American 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.240 caliber tight end. He's out for the season, which is 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.960 a major blow to cam Rising in that passing attack. 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.000 But they recruited tight end pretty well and it's they 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:10.520 run a lot of two tight ends. That's the other 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.000 thing is South Carolina moved their game to Thursday because 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:18.320 of the incomings and Hurricane Ians, So you might see 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:23.000 more either precautionary cancelations, postponements, or hey let's play Friday, 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.040 Hey let's play Thursday. That's somebody keep your eye on. 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.880 And I think it's South Carolina. South Carolina State, I believe, 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.240 is who they're playing this week. That's correct, not a major, 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:34.600 major matchup, but something that they felt was worth doing. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.920 So keep an eye peel. Okay, play then play the game. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:46.640 Little Brittany here to alcow you to the college Football podcast. 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.480 So sphere Dan, what is this game? 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.000 So we've been talking about luck and a team, but 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.760 not the only team that I think in the early 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.760 going that's been associated with some degree of luck has 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.480 been because of the turnover different wrencheal USC. 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:02.040 Right. 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.520 Now, let me be clear as somebody who has doubted 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.520 a USC at least in the short term their defense. 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:14.560 Yeah, yeah, that hype machine continue. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:18.760 Lucky does not mean bad. You can be lucky and good. 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:22.320 They can be occurring at the same time. And you're 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:27.520 not only good because of luck, but sometimes you might 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:29.840 be three and one instead of four and oh because 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.760 of some luck. And so luck can take its form 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:35.960 in a number of ways. It's not just turnover march. 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:37.600 And this is what I have here that I think 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.960 in some ways can be considered lucky. So we have 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:47.399 what tip balls on passes right, that it's a skill 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.560 to tip a ball, but you're not necessarily You're not 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.680 Wilt Chamberlain or Bill Russell tipping it and getting it 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:55.280