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Speaker 1: the top. Jeff Collins fired at Georgia Tech. It is

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Speaker 2: Brandt Keithy the tight end for you, like all American

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Speaker 1: So sphere Dan, what is this game?

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Speaker 2: So we've been talking about luck and a team, but

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Speaker 2: Lucky does not mean bad. You can be lucky and good.

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Speaker 2: I am just flat lucky as a SO and SO fan,

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00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: or I am flat unlucky as a SO and SO fan. Sure,

432
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: So that's where I come down with luck and the sport.

433
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: You can be.

434
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: Bad and lucky. You can be good and lucky, you

435
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 2: be bad and unlucky, you can be bad, you can

436
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: be good and unlucky. It all happens, It all fits

437
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 2: in the spectrum. So what we want to do is

438
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: evaluate the luck. We want to evaluate the luck thus

439
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: far through four weeks of the college football season. When

440
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: things kick off in week five, if you can believe.

441
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: It will be October oh Man September football effectively over,

442
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: though there will be a couple games before we get

443
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: the Saturday. But for all intents and purposes, we've made

444
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: it through excuse me, one month of the season, and

445
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: so we have a pretty good set of data that

446
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: we can go on with respect to law. Give me

447
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: a couple teams here. I know you mentioned USC, but

448
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: let's let's let's pick a different team. We can come

449
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: back to USC later.

450
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: I have some teams that you could consider to be

451
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: both lucky and unlucky. Okay, I think Notre Dame could

452
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: be both lucky and unlucky. Unlucky because of the status

453
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: of their starting quarterback shoulder, just an unlucky literal break

454
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: right that they with their schedule, getting Ohio State as

455
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: early as they did. And even though Tyler Buckner was

456
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: not an immediate All American, let's phrase it, he probably

457
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: very kind of you, thank you. He probably has a

458
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: better and would have had a better chance of developing

459
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: into something more dangerous than Notre Dame's backups, because I

460
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: think the raw talent he's perceived to have.

461
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: Does that make sense, It makes sense. I will say that,

462
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, Drew Pine against North Carolina completed pretty much

463
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: any pass he wanted to thus far. His completion percentage

464
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: is sixty nine percent. Hey, nice, something like that. So

465
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: he's done a good job against a team like in

466
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: North Carolina, did enough to win against Cal. You know,

467
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is in a weird spot with that quarterback position.

468
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: And I can't tell if it's a matter of Buckner

469
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: playing against two really good teams in Ohio State and

470
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: Marshall back to back weeks one and two, or if

471
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Speaker 1: it is just a Buckner problem. Because you know, as

472
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: well as I, we talked to plenty of people here

473
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: in the off season that were like, maybe think again

474
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: about Tyler Buckner. Maybe maybe like don't don't go all

475
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: in on Tyler Buckner as the answer at quarterback at

476
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. So what I'm dancing around here is I'm

477
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: just not sure Buckner's that good. That's okay, And it

478
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: is still unlucky that Notre Dame would have this circumstance

479
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: where they got to start Drew Pine, a ninety five

480
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: pound quarterback the rest of the way against the schedule

481
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: that is not particularly like super easy. So definitely a

482
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: stroke of bad luck for Notre Dame. Quarterback depth is

483
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: going to be an issue moving forward, at least for

484
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: the entirety of this season. Who knows what it looks

485
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: like next season. And you know, looking ahead at some

486
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: of these other teams in the schedule, they've got a

487
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: bye week now, but then they've got BYU right a

488
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: couple of weeks after that, they go on the road

489
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: to Syracuse, they got Clemson, They've got usc Like, they

490
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: got to get their their offense squared away here with

491
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: their quarterback situation before long, otherwise we could be looking

492
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: at a few more l's in the schedule.

493
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Speaker 2: I should point out all legit programs worth rooting for

494
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: BT BYU that's all.

495
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: Now, that's all. I'm fair enough.

496
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: The reason I said Notre Dame both that they are

497
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: all so lucky is that col game featured a postgame

498
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: referee apology about an offsides call that extended a Notre

499
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: Dame drive got them a touchdown and they win by

500
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: a touchdown. That game also featured I believe by their

501
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: skin of the teeth hail Mary drop that is right

502
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: at the end.

503
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: That is correct.

504
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: Again, you can be good and lucky, but Notre Dame

505
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: walking away from that game, I think now that we

506
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: have all of the facts, a bit lucky, that's okay.

507
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: I have Minnesota lucky and also good. But you look

508
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: at their schedule, it's been pretty good through the first

509
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 2: few weeks of the season. I didn't see the Michigan

510
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: State thing coming. I was I was in on Minnesota.

511
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: I bet Minnesota with.

512
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: Hard earned dollars, hardered Americans. I was in on Minnesota

513
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: minus two and a half. I did not feel that

514
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: confident about it. But to win thirty four to seven,

515
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: I believe was the final, and to look as good

516
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: as they did against a team in Michigan State that again,

517
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure they were going to be as good

518
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: as they were a year ago. But I didn't think

519
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: it's bad. It was really bad against Minnesota. That is

520
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: a result they did not expect. So I do believe

521
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: that Minnesota is good, though I do have scar tissue

522
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: from last year and even the year before going in

523
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: on Minnesota and having them burn.

524
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: Me corolary slash a dendum. I should probably learn what

525
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: either of those words mean. Any team who has played

526
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: Colorado or Nebraska is extremely lucky to have them on

527
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: the schedule this season, if not seasons moving forward. Who's

528
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: to say, but yeah, that Minnesota has Colorado is it's a.

529
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Nice, little, nice little fluff.

530
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: I suppose in a number of ways, I didn't mean

531
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: fluff the way that some people might be understanding that

532
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: term to me.

533
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: But here we are. It's too late. I think.

534
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: I don't think it's necessarily the worst thing in the

535
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: world if you're a program like Minnesota with expectations of

536
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: being good but not necessarily excellent in playoff caliber, to

537
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: have the preseason schedule or the non conference schedule that

538
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: they do. But it is it is lucky that they

539
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: have this year's iteration of what Michigan State's looking like

540
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: and what Colorado's is looking like not their fault, and

541
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: I think I'm sure their turnover margin is out of

542
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: this world it is it's well, no it's not, it's

543
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: plus three. It's fine, But that they had those games

544
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: and also that I guess Kirk Sharaka became available.

545
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: Kirk the sound is back on the board now forevermore continue.

546
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think their number one most efficient defense

547
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: in the nation number is probably based on a little

548
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: bit more than just an incredible defense.

549
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: So I mean, they're definitely lucky to some extent because

550
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: of the schedule. But we said it at the very

551
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: like the very beginning of the season, we said this

552
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: about Minnesota that because of the schedule, because of just

553
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: what they had coming back, it seems somewhat probably that

554
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: they're undefeated going into their game what mid October, second

555
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: to last week of October at Penn State. And that's

556
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: a game for Penn State that's really really tender because

557
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: that's like a very let down, look aheady situation for

558
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: Penn State in between Michigan and Ohio State. Yeah, so

559
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: plus there's history there at Minnesota. Yeah, I don't know,

560
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: do not be surprised if Minnesota goes to Penn State

561
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: and knocks them off. Right now, looking at projections, that's

562
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: about to pick them. Okay, Vegas has that as about

563
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: to pick them. Maybe Penn State favored by a few,

564
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: but Vegas views these teams very very similarly. I like that.

565
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: I like that, you know what, And I know Minnesota

566
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: has a rival of course in Wisconsin, but Penn State

567
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: to me still without that obvious rival, the personalities of

568
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: both James Franklin and PJ. Fleck would make for like

569
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: a fun let's look forward to this game a little

570
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: bit more. We had the game where Minnesota upsets and

571
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: they hang on to upset Penn State. I think in

572
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, like I'd say, budding rivalry.

573
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, they're kind of the same, dude. There's a

574
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: lot a lot of overlap there. Yeah, yeah, okay, Okay.

575
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: By the way, imagine if in like nineteen ninety three,

576
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: we were like fast forward twenty years, thirty years, whatever

577
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: it is since then, Jesus World teams are going to

578
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: feel so incredible about seeing Nebraska and Colorado on their schedule.

579
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: Be unfathomable. But wo yeah, that's it's a crazy conversation

580
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: for another day. How about Ohio State a little bit lucky?

581
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: You think Ohio State is a little bit lucky, And

582
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: this isn't because of what they've done thus far, but

583
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: a little bit lucky in that when you look at

584
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: the rest of Ohio State's schedule and the Big Ten

585
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: that it's sort of an opposite whatever the opposite is

586
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: of Hurricane Ian. The skies are opening up. It's Hurricane

587
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: Ryan day, because it's Rutgers, it's whatever Michigan State is,

588
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: It's Iowa without an offense. Penn State on the road

589
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: is going to be challenging. Northwestern seems to have fully collapse.

590
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: Not that a good Northwestern was going to beat Ohio State,

591
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: but it could have been a challenge like it was

592
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. Indiana looks like they're not going to

593
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: be a lot. Maryland looks decent but have a pretty

594
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: low ceiling, and Michigan was maryland Ish this past weekend.

595
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: I'm just speaking. In this moment, Ohio State appears to

596
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: be full on excellent and fortunate that the rest of

597
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: their schedule, which at one point seemed pretty rough, now

598
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: is seeming pretty great. See, I thought you were going

599
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: to stay lucky because of their receiver depth. No, no,

600
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: they amassed that with skill.

601
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: To me, I mean they are just so loaded at

602
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: the skill positions that it is increasingly difficult to figure

603
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: out who can go toe to toe with this team. Honestly,

604
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: it's going to be Bama, It's going to be Georgia,

605
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: one of those teams. That's the only team. I stand

606
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: by it. I said at the top, Michigan fans can

607
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: can yell at me if you want, but I still

608
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: believe it. Nobody's beating this team. Nobody's beating this team,

609
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: at least on their schedule in the regular season. With

610
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: the offense that they have a mass because you know, CJ.

611
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: Stroud is awesome at quarterback, still underrated in my view,

612
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: perpetually underrated. Somehow. They've got a great running two great

613
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: running backs led by Trey Henderson. Even when you're not

614
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: starting Jackson Smith and Jigba still got a mechag Buca,

615
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: still got Marvin Harrison Junior. You still got Julian Fleming,

616
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: all these guys that can just plug and play out wide.

617
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: Put that behind a good line like there really are

618
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: no weak spots on that offense, and with a defense

619
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: that's going to continue to get better under Jim Knowles, Like,

620
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. So yeah, I mean, I

621
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: guess they're lucky to some extent with the schedule they've

622
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: gotten in front of them. But for me, this feels

623
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot less lucky and more just raw skill and

624
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: coach and development over the years now with Ryan Day,

625
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: because yeah, it's they're so good.

626
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: It's luck in the way that Ana, maybe you're this

627
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: kid that in fifth grade you're like lucky you have

628
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: a super Nintendo and a second Genesis. Lucky in fact,

629
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: you were just an only child who loved video games

630
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: and got lots of presents. I think Ohio State and

631
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: again one if you want to offline about what it's

632
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: like to root for a program that can beat CJ. Stroud,

633
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, Chris o'lave and Jackson Smith and Jig but

634
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: we can offline about it and I can walk.

635
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: You through that experience. Yeah, things are looking great for

636
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: Ohio State.

637
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: Next next, I just have Kansas that Jalen Daniels was

638
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: slept on as a recruit.

639
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: Man, He's he's an impressive kid. I don't know if

640
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: you've had a chance to listen to any of his

641
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: postgame stuff. But I mean, he's got a confidence about him.

642
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: He believes that they're going to go out there, they're

643
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: going to compete, they're going to win again, and whoever

644
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: their competition is. From week to week, the offense has

645
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: been objectively one of the best in the country so far. Yeah,

646
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if it continues, that might be a

647
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: lot to ask, but it's getting to the point now

648
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: where you look at Kansas and you're like, you know,

649
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: pretty good they can score forty against these teams on

650
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: their schedule. Yeah, there's not a lot on that schedule

651
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: that that worries me about being able to hold Kansas down.

652
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: So Jalen Daniels, with what he's done with the with

653
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: the way that Lance Liphold has kind of built that

654
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: offense around him, it doesn't what strikes me the most

655
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: about it. And I was trying to put my finger

656
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: on it when we went through and looked at the

657
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: Duke Kansas game from a week ago. We've seen teams

658
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: before that rise from the ashes and they get a

659
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: couple wins and everybody feels good about it, and it

660
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: feels like it's duct tape and chicken wire. Yeah, this

661
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like that. This feels like legitimately they're a

662
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: very good offense, and that in and of itself is

663
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 1: one of the best stories in college football.

664
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out when you hire an apt athletic

665
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: director and a head coach who are legit it makes

666
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: a difference. And you're not hiring less miles right sorry,

667
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: like they're just when when as a university you're making

668
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: decisions that's continually set the program back, and then you

669
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: hire actual professionals and jobs that demand it, it makes

670
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: a difference. Who could have seen that coming? And by

671
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 2: the way, not unlucky in their results. Not that Duke

672
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: is a team with a pronounced heartbeat, but West Virginia

673
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: and Houston those are teams. Those are squads. Those guys

674
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: have players. Those teams have players. So I'm I'm just

675
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: thoroughly impressed. But yes, lucky that Jalen Daniels was not

676
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: like in the last second, Oh my gosh, Texas Tech

677
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: offered him, Oh my gosh, Cal offered him. Like didn't

678
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 2: to my knowledge, receive other last minute, bigger Power five

679
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: program offers because they whiffed on another quarterback target.

680
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: No, Well, and so here's the question. Then if we're

681
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: truly playing a game with this. A question is done

682
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: the luck run out? Does the luck run out for Kansas?

683
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Because I mean, thus far see, I'm inclined to say no.

684
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm inclined to say no because it feels like a

685
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: legitimately good offense. We also have decent data at this

686
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: point on Kansas. We're getting better data on most of

687
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: these other teams. But Kansas in particular played West Virginia

688
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: and Houston on the road. In addition, they played Duke

689
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: last week. Those are actually teams that have played, you know,

690
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: decently well in some capacities so far this season. Sure,

691
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: and you look at what they've done from an offensive standpoint,

692
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: they've been very good. They've been very good. Now Still,

693
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't feel like the numbers have caught up to

694
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: Kansas yet. So if you look at projections moving forward,

695
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: Kansas is projected to lose every game it plays. The

696
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: schedule does get harder, so it still is on the

697
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: table that they could lose every game that they play

698
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: and finish four and eight. I don't think that's likely.

699
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: When you've got an offense like this, you'll catch teams.

700
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: So Kansas potentially on the drive to six here. You

701
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: know their luck might run out from the standpoint of

702
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: being undefeated, but in terms of qualifying for a ball

703
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: at some point between now in the end of the season.

704
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: To me, with this offense, that feels totally feels likely.

705
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: The first step to doing to becoming a good team

706
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: is to do something well. To do something well, and

707
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: what Kansas is doing through the air on offense, obviously

708
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: led by Jalen Daniels. Look, if they are scoring on

709
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: average and they're not going to be scoring how many

710
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: points are they averaging right now? Forty some odd forty

711
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: five points or something. If they're scoring thirty three points

712
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: thirty seven points the rest of the way on average,

713
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: which of these teams do you feel confident? Do you

714
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: think Iowa State is going to be scoring well enough

715
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: with Kansas again, Iowa State has a defense that's going

716
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: to limit Kansas. But Texas Tech, We'll see what happens

717
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: with their quarterback situation Texas. I mean, Kansas kind of

718
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: owns Texas and that's not when Jalen Daniels was peaking

719
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: like he seems to be doing this season. Kansas State

720
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: is scoring a number of points. Good defense once again,

721
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: But can you get to six wins with a pretty

722
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: electric offense. I think I think he can. I think

723
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: he can. All right, give me another team.

724
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: All right, I have In terms of luck, I have

725
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 2: Florida State in here now. Florida State's luck is that

726
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: one LSU did not have its act together in Week

727
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: one at all to do very basic things correctly i e.

728
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: Catch punts, I e. Block kick kick balls without them getting.

729
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: Block people trying to block the punts.

730
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: Yes, right, And so it was fortunate in that they

731
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: let jen Jaden Daniels excuse me an LSU back into

732
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: that game and were able to win the game the

733
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: man or that they did. And then also Florida State

734
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: lucky in that Jordan Travis's injury wasn't worse against Louisville,

735
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: that they were able to pull out that game with

736
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: Tate Roamaker roda maker, Yes, and then have Jordan Travis

737
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: return against a pretty woeful Boston College and the rest

738
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: of their schedule. In terms of what Florida State's doing, uh,

739
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: pretty decent in terms of defenses. I'm not going to

740
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: say it's lucky because there are some challenges ahead, but

741
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: lucky both in terms of the LSU game and the

742
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: stroke of injury fortune here.

743
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't know here is why, and I don't think

744
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: this is so much luck, but this is definitely, at best,

745
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: at worst fortuitous. Let's say, yeah, okay, kind of the

746
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: same thing. But the schedule before the season, when we

747
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: previewed Florida State, the schedule before the season, We've looked

748
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: at this and we said, we think Florida State's gonna

749
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: better than they were a year ago. The schedule looks tough.

750
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: Schedule looks tough for a team that was inconsistent and

751
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: still growing and still almost transitioning into the Mike Norvel Era.

752
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: Looks like a tough schedule where you can see four

753
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: or five losses. Right. I don't think that was out

754
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: of the ordinary. Things have changed very quickly. Not only

755
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: did they beat LSU in week one, not only did

756
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: they show a lot of fight in knocking off Louisville

757
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: in the manner that they did on the road backup quarterback,

758
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: but now look at the teams that they've got in

759
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: front of it, particularly over the next three weeks, which

760
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: is really going to be the make or break time

761
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: for Florida State. Wake Forest this week, I don't know

762
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: what the weather situation is going to be.

763
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: Like and a letdown spot wake Forest ot lost to Clemson. Yeah,

764
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if weather's going to factor in.

765
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: It looks like the Southeast is going to be a

766
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: mess over the next few days. But Wake Forest at

767
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: home letdown spot potentially a weird weather game that's going

768
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: to be dictated on the ground. I like Florida State's

769
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: chances there. I will up there. At NC State, we

770
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: could talk about NC State. NC State has has I

771
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: think been generally unimpressive this year compared to where we

772
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: thought they might be at this point in time. NC

773
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: State what a top ten team now great, by the way,

774
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: after that ECU game. A lucky record right now, I

775
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: mean huge, hugely lucky based in the ECU result. Yeah,

776
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: but you can go to n c State win. That

777
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: doesn't feel as difficult. It's still a good team, doesn't

778
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: feel as difficult Clemson. You could score on Clemson, you

779
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: can move the you can move the ball on Clemson

780
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: in a way that we did not expect.

781
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: I have Clemson as lucky, lucky to get out of

782
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: Winston Salem with a win with how that defense was

783
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: absolutely torched. You look at Clemson you're like, all right,

784
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: this is a team that is far more fallible than

785
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: we expected. They've got Georgia Tech, they've got Miami on here,

786
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: they've got Syracuse on here, They've got Florida on here.

787
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: I can't even tell if you're saying that's a lucky

788
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: thing and an unlucky thing.

789
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I feel like this is much more advantageous

790
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: to Florida State than we initially thought. So I don't

791
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: know if luck is the word. Luck feels almost like

792
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: as a pejorative if I use it in conjunction with

793
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: Florida State and their schedules, since they have no control

794
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: over it. But things have turned in such a manner

795
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: here with the schedule that it feels a lot more gettable,

796
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: and I like that for Florida State. I'm feeling actually

797
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: quite good about saying ten and two Florida State, Okay,

798
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: fair enough.

799
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: I think it's a stretch still, but yeah, for the

800
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: LSU and Jordan Travis reasons, I'm in Florida State being

801
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: having a stroke of luck. Also good stroke of luck Clemson.

802
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: I mentioned why just getting out of Winston Salem with

803
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: a win. Any other teams I'm trying to I have

804
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: a list here.

805
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: I think that's sort of it for me. Beyond the

806
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: USC very quickly. On Clemson, I do think the luck

807
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: will run out. I do think the luck will run

808
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: out for Clemson before long. The fact that Clemson gave

809
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: up points the way they did the wake Forest wake

810
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: Forest to get a good team, legitimate capitol g good team,

811
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: good offense. At least, I do think that the luck

812
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: runs out for him. And I still harken back to

813
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: what I've been saying the last couple of weeks. If

814
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: receivers cannot get open, that's a problem. Against better defenses,

815
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: that's a problem, and especially if defenses aren't going to

816
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: create havoc. The way that if the Clemson defense, excuse me,

817
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: is not going to create havoc, play is the way

818
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: we expected, especially in that front seven. You give teams

819
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: time to pick you apart against the better squads on

820
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: you on your schedule, and somebody's gonna get you. Somebody

821
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: is going to get you. Wake Forest came close. Wake

822
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: Forest could have been that team. But there are plenty

823
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: of other opportunities here on this Clemson slate where somebody

824
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: could take him down. And it doesn't seem like a

825
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: stretch to me, like I think, I think, really that

826
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: will happen. If I had a bet on one team's

827
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: luck running out, it's Clemson, because it's just you know,

828
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: I like Will Shipley, I like a lot of the

829
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: pieces on this team, and I'm not rooting for it openly.

830
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: I don't hate Clemson. I kind of like this team.

831
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: I really like Will Shipley, But I just think of

832
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: receivers aren't getting open, and if the defense is not

833
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: creating the kind of pressure that we had expected, that's

834
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: a problem.

835
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might fit more under you take the good,

836
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: you take the bad with Dabbo, but the Dabbo experience

837
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: might be fraught with some luck and Unluckiness. That lucky

838
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: that a position coach turned out to be a dominant

839
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 2: all time modern head coach for Clemson once Tommy Bowden

840
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: and that era didn't clearly weren't working out and they

841
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: needed to make a change. Lucky that he was the

842
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: type of coach who could make pretty great hires that

843
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: both within the Clemson loop and outside of it, like

844
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: Brent Vennables, and a little bit unlucky that man he's

845
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: going to be loyal forever. Cool that he's loyal forever

846
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: because guys want to stay there for a longer period

847
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: of time. Quality assistance, and it's very attractive to recruits

848
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 2: unlucky in that Oh another internal higher, Oh, another internal

849
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: another internal higher, and so that sort of you take

850
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: the good in the bat. But that's not really anything

851
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: to do with this season unless it doesn't work on

852
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: either side of the ball with those internal hires. You

853
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: want to talk about USC and the luck factor. Explain

854
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: the luck factor to me. With USC so number one

855
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: in the country in terms of turnover margin, they're plus

856
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: fourteen at the moment, which is well ahead of basically

857
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: everybody as far as I could tell. A lot of

858
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: that comes from the interceptions that have bailed out less

859
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: than stellar defensive drives, especially in the red zone. They

860
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: had four picks I believe against Oregon State this pack

861
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: past weekend. And I also want to be quick to

862
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: say interceptions are not all luck. Like, yes, it's lucky

863
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: if a quarterback throws a bad pass and you're there

864
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: to catch it. But also, I'm a big believer in

865
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: right place, right time, and so if you are able

866
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: to find yourself as a defensive back or a linebacker

867
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: or whatever doing your job in the lane you're supposed

868
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: to be in in the passing lane, and you pick

869
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: off a quarterback that's not fully luck that it is

870
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: a skill to be have situational awareness. And so USC

871
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: though the manner in which that they in the manner

872
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: in which they've won, they've had to rely on those turnovers.

873
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: And if those are dropped passes or overthrown passes or

874
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: tipped balls that fall innocently to the grass, and a

875
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: team lives to play another down, we might be talking

876
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: about a three on one USC or a two and

877
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: two USC. Fresno State was able to move the ball

878
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 2: against USC. Oregon State was able to fully stop basically

879
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: USC's offense. And so you say Oregon State has basically

880
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: the same game on offense but only throws one pick,

881
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: we're probably talking about a Beaver win. But once again,

882
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: USC is drafting off of the opportunity truck. I think

883
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: they are a good team who is probably the seventeenth

884
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: best team in the country, not the sixth best team

885
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: in the country, And I think that jump has to

886
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: do with luck.

887
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: Do you agree?

888
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: Do you think?

889
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: Do you like?

890
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: The other thing, though, is we're now talking about a

891
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: schedule that features Utah and maybe UCLA on a great

892
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: day like what is on this regular season schedule for

893
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: USC that they just can't get by with maybe not

894
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: as much luck, but some luck.

895
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I see plus fourteen. Yeah yeah, I mean

896
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: they've definitely been bullied by by by some of the turnovers, right,

897
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean I tend to think that teams with new

898
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: coaches off and see this right there, there are these

899
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: areas in the margins where you just you have some

900
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: oddities that occur early on, and it's how a new

901
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: coach either harnesses it or or doesn't harness it that

902
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: can teach you a lot about how how their coaching

903
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: style is, how the team feels about the coach. Like,

904
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, we saw some unlucky stuff with Brian Kelly

905
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: at LSU, like it. I feel like you see this

906
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: type of thing all the time with new coaches, and

907
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: USC has been able to use this type of stuff

908
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: to its advantage. I believe that as the season goes on,

909
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: we will be talking less about luck with USC. I

910
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: think as this team settles into what it will eventually

911
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: become by the time we get to like the Notre

912
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: Dame game Thanksgiving weekend, there will less, there will less

913
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: be a luck component involved here. The question is they've

914
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: got Utah in a couple of weeks on the road,

915
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: and if there is any luck that is buoying USC

916
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: come out, then yeah, it's gonna come out then, because

917
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: Utah does not need luck to win. Utah will beat

918
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: your brains in They didn't do it effectively against Florida,

919
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: but they will beat your brains and they will run

920
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: you to death. And they will hear brains and running

921
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: you to death. That's what you talk, That's what Utah does.

922
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: So what I think I'm saying here is we'll find

923
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: out soon enough. If you're right. It may even be

924
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: a game like a Washington State potential look ahead game

925
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: the week before Utah game is in USC. But at

926
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: the same time, that's a team of the good defense

927
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: you saw last week, right, or at least can play

928
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: good defense. So I'm I'm I'm mixed on the USC

929
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: luck thing. They just have such good players that not

930
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: to say that they are immune from the whole luck thing,

931
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: but gosh, I.

932
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: Situated Williams and Jordan Addison. It's I don't know, No,

933
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: there's no luck involved with those talents. The problem is

934
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: if we're talking about a top eight five type team

935
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: for USC, which is where they're ranking, I think they're

936
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: six in the eight. People don't have I don't memorize

937
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: these things. I'm old and washed up. USC has one

938
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: of the absolute worst rush defenses in the country, and

939
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: they've played Fresno, Oregon State like Rice, and they haven't

940
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: been protecting Caleb Williams. So we're saying, do you believe

941
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: in USC as a top ten team with an abysmal

942
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: rush defense and an offensive line, but pf an offensive

943
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: line who in practice has not protected Caleb Williams all

944
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: that effectively. They are one of the worst tackling teams

945
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: in the country. Again, USC good team, not excellent team,

946
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 2: not excellent team. And I don't know if it's Washington

947
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: State because they absolutely did get gashed by Oregon. I mean,

948
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: bon Nicks through for an all time high, the running

949
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: backs running for seven yards of carry.

950
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: They stood up in the red zone impressively.

951
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: Yes, Washington State could beat USC if that game were

952
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: in Pullman, I'd feel better about that potential. But no,

953
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: USC still feels like a nine or ten win program,

954
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: if not more. But if they have to put up

955
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: against a playoff team, Like, what is Trey Henderson going

956
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: to do on the ground against USC? What is Jamiir

957
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: Gibbs gonna do? What is Kendall Milton gonna do? Like

958
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: I've seen it up close, it's not pretty. Again, we

959
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 2: can offline about what it's like to beat Ohio State,

960
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: but I just think they are prime LRO. I just

961
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: don't know when the l is going to ro. That's

962
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 2: the question, all right, Well right in, let us know your.

963
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: Thoughts and any other luck teams we missed out on.

964
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: Do you want me to go through unlucky? Real quick,

965
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: very quickly? Here we're coming on the edge of our time.

966
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 2: Arkansas is the weirdest fumble and touchdown return away from

967
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: A and M. I don't think they're fully unlucky because

968
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: that is a play and they had opportunities. It's a play,

969
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: and they had opportunities to make up for it against

970
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: A and M from being you know, number seven, number

971
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: six in the country. I mentioned cal with Notre Dame

972
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: with the off sides call, Florida might be a little

973
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 2: bit of both. Yeah, Florida might be a little bit

974
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: lucky and unlucky lucky to get out of that Utah

975
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: game with a win. Unlucky that you know, expectations were

976
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: hoisted on them, and to have Tennessee and Kentucky be

977
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,959
Speaker 2: good in the same year doesn't happen often.

978
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: No, doesn't happen often.

979
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: That good LSU a little bit of both with the

980
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: guys that they were able to pick up in the

981
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: portal and what their SEC schedule looks like moving forward, which,

982
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: by the way, a lot of SEC teams on LSU's

983
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly Year one slate do not look as dangerous

984
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 2: as they did over the summer. No, I have Houston,

985
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: what the hell we were supposed to expect Kansas to

986
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: be lightning on offense, Texas Tech to come through with

987
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: a backup quarterback like just unlucky the way that Houston

988
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: has had to open up their season with. Still I

989
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: believe to be a good team.

990
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: A very good to you. We were talking about Houston

991
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: as potentially one of those group of five teams. It

992
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: sneaks into the playoff before the year, uh, Northwestern fans.

993
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: The unluckiness of opening the season with, hey, maybe we're

994
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: pretty decent kind of and then to lose to Miami

995
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: of Ohio in southern Illinois, that is a bad beat

996
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: in terms of fandom to be suddenly assured that you're

997
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: going to have a pretty good team.

998
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: And immediately immediately have the universe say no, well yes,

999
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: are you gonna mention Miszoo and the way they lost

1000
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: to Auburn?

1001
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: That's bad?

1002
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: That that is a bad That is an unlucky way

1003
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: to lose a game. Opportunities to win elsewhere, but to

1004
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: miss the field goal and have Nathaniel Pete fumble millimeters

1005
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: it was the right call millimeters from the goal line.

1006
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is an.

1007
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: Unluck But like I also don't think Missou is a

1008
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: program who would otherwise be seen as good if they

1009
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: beat Auburn. But better sure, I think that all right,

1010
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: I would add my team as being unlucky because when

1011
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: Oregon scheduled Georgia, which I presume was in like two

1012
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, I joked with all my friends, let's.

1013
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: Take our kids. We're gonna be old.

1014
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: Let's go to Atlanta. And then to have Georgia go

1015
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 2: from being talented but disappointing to death star, that is unlucky.

1016
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: That is not fun. There's nothing unlucky about Georgia.

1017
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 2: Georgia is full un skilled but unlucky to have that

1018
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: in game one of a new coach.

1019
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,320
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