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Speaker 2: My name is Jordan run Tog and I'm the ghost
Speaker 2: of rod Ansel.
Speaker 1: They don't know what that means yet.
Speaker 2: And you don't get that they will.
Speaker 1: Your kids are gonna love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you're not. I guess you're not ready
Speaker 2: for rod Ansel, but your kids are gonna love him.
Speaker 1: Today, we are looking at Crocodile Dundee, a surprise hit
Speaker 1: from down Under when it arrived on American shores in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six. It since become a cultural phenomenon, with
Speaker 1: writer performer Paul Hogan's character, Michael J. Crocodile Dundee becoming
Speaker 1: a sort of one man ambassador of a local charm
Speaker 1: and natural beauty of Australia or one man's stereotype, depending
Speaker 1: on how you view it. The trilogy made Hogan a
Speaker 1: star around the world and a legend in his native Australia,
Speaker 1: where he's known by the affectionate metonym Hogues. I think
Speaker 1: that's how you pronounced it, Hogues as in short for Hogan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way you spelled it, I thought it might
Speaker 2: have been Hog's.
Speaker 1: I think it's Hogues.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Side note, he's almost eighty five, Like in my mind,
Speaker 1: he's perpetually sleeveless and tan and muscular. He's like he's
Speaker 1: getting up there.
Speaker 2: I mean, only God can kill in Australian man. Oh,
Speaker 2: and like autoerotic asphyxiation.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, well.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that too, in excess catching a.
Speaker 1: Straw in the it's in Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's starting to catch up with him. He doesn't
Speaker 2: look great ay five and yeah, I mean and like
Speaker 2: white descended from British stock, spent half his life in
Speaker 2: the sun. Face a good face care routine is so
Speaker 2: important people. You know, I was really taken them back
Speaker 2: by a tweet that went around recently, which is I'm
Speaker 2: paraphrasing some of the effective Americans are always so shocked
Speaker 2: when they learned how much Australians hate them.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that, and I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Well, I was taken am back, not because of I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: I was shocked, but I was also taken him back
Speaker 2: because not because I desperately crave the approval of a
Speaker 2: bunch of sun burnt racists, because I can get that
Speaker 2: if I just go to the South and pretend to
Speaker 2: care about football, But it's because of how similar I
Speaker 2: feel like Americans and Australians are.
Speaker 1: Am I talking to my ass here? Do you feel that?
Speaker 1: I have never really thought about that much?
Speaker 2: We're both descended from the same awful British stock.
Speaker 1: Well, only one of us are prisoners because it wasn't
Speaker 1: Australia originally basically a gunt prison care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't like talking about that. Well I don't, okay,
Speaker 2: But we are also alike in the way that we've
Speaker 2: both committed atrocities against the indigenous peoples of our country,
Speaker 2: and we're both rowdy and boisterous. I generally love every
Speaker 2: Australian I've ever met, actually, you know, like like one
Speaker 2: on one interactions. But I am struck by the and
Speaker 2: hardly the first person to be so, by the disconnect
Speaker 2: between the gregariousness and charm of the people and the
Speaker 2: fact that half their country is just a vast screaming
Speaker 2: waste land that occasionally issues constantly issues all manner of
Speaker 2: fauna that are trying to kill you. And you know
Speaker 2: they get a pass for me because of Nick Cave
Speaker 2: and ACDC. Oh sure, and the song case sam by
Speaker 2: Cold Chisel.
Speaker 1: Oh I saw Cold Chisel live. Yeah, okay, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see how hammered. Right. Oh sure, yeah, well wait
Speaker 1: which one of us? But yes, I.
Speaker 2: Wish it was you. Fair if you were drunker than
Speaker 2: a performer at any given thing, I've seriously questioned.
Speaker 1: Your health, especially if it was Cold Chisel for.
Speaker 2: It's also funny that like a third of Paul Hogan's
Speaker 2: wiki is about his alleged tax evasion. Oh yeah, no
Speaker 2: that I didn't really get into that in here, but
Speaker 2: it kind of adds to his mystique, his lore. Well,
Speaker 2: it seems like he won like against the government, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he sued the Australian government.
Speaker 2: And he won in certain like he won certain key decisions,
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day they were still like,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you hid like forty million dollars from
Speaker 2: us in a Swiss bank account yep. And he insists
Speaker 2: he's done nothing wrong and I'm sure, within the constraints
Speaker 2: of creative bookkeeping, he didn't.
Speaker 1: But you know he compared the government to the Taliban,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate.
Speaker 2: Is that classic Australian tact.
Speaker 1: Well, for those of you who haven't seen Crocodile Dundee
Speaker 1: in a while, the story begins when New York reporter
Speaker 1: sued Charlton journeys to the Southern Hemisphere to interview Mick
Speaker 1: Crocodile Dundee, a mysterious hunter who's rumored to have survived
Speaker 1: in the wild after having his leg bitten off by
Speaker 1: a crocodile before the fi the odds and making it
Speaker 1: out of the outback and back to civilization and into
Speaker 1: all of our heart, in all of our hearts. However,
Speaker 1: when this reporter meets Crocodile Dundee, she discovers that the
Speaker 1: story has been exaggerated slightly and he was just maimed
Speaker 1: and scarred very badly by said crocodile, a love bite,
Speaker 1: as he calls it. But his story is remarkable nonetheless. Apparently,
Speaker 1: Dundee was born in a cave in the Northern Territory
Speaker 1: and raised by Indigenous Australians. He's unaware of his age
Speaker 1: with the Aboriginal elders, telling him only that he was
Speaker 1: quote born in the summertime. Prior to the beautiful Reporter's arrival,
Speaker 1: he'd never been to a city, equipping cities are crowded, right,
Speaker 1: If I went and lived in some city, I'd only
Speaker 1: make it worse, which is both logically true and self deprecating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: soone the reporter winds up bringing him to New York City,
Speaker 1: where hilarity and romance ensues.
Speaker 2: I'm fully admitting that I'm about to steal a bit
Speaker 2: from how Sparks on.
Speaker 1: I love the eighties, Okay, go on.
Speaker 2: Actually it might have been Michael Ian Black. It was
Speaker 2: a It was a slight brunette man who was one
Speaker 2: of the most popular talking heads on those shows. And
Speaker 2: he was like, I don't think Australians are that confused
Speaker 2: by like cars. He just says, a CA, What's a ca?
Speaker 2: And it just it also reminds me of like when
Speaker 2: in thirty Rock when Jenna is a method to in
Speaker 2: character for the Unlicensed Janis Joplin biography and she's in
Speaker 2: Jack's office and she's like, hey, man, what is that
Speaker 2: iron boot.
Speaker 1: In the sky?
Speaker 2: They had planes in the sixties Jenna. So it's just
Speaker 2: it is a funny premise that he's just like I mean,
Speaker 2: bidays are, but days are confusing. Yes, the days are confusing.
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Speaker 1: real life story that kind of maybe sort of inspired
Speaker 1: the plot to the tabloid love triangle that emerged from
Speaker 1: the production the Ozzie rock Star who up bring the
Speaker 1: movie to the big screen and all the ways it
Speaker 1: changed the face of tourism for an entire continent. Here
Speaker 1: is everything you didn't know about Crocodile Dundee. It's truth.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? I keep seeing that. Don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I don't know anything.
Speaker 2: Half my Australian slang just comes from like a single
Speaker 2: YouTube video of a guy ranting about Australia. Day.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's like their fourth of July.
Speaker 2: Right, wasn't the at me country, Get at me country,
Speaker 2: get at me country.
Speaker 1: Wasn't he succulent Chinese male guy Australian? Or was in
Speaker 1: Australia and he was English?
Speaker 2: He did not have an Australian accent. No, he had
Speaker 2: like a beautiful like King's English. Or he received pronunciation
Speaker 2: boarding school boys in Australia. Sure, why not?
Speaker 1: He just died recently?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and that's sad RP to that man.
Speaker 1: Well. For years, Paul Hogan claimed that his fish out
Speaker 1: of Water story of an Australian bushman in the Big
Speaker 1: City was inspired by his own first trip to New
Speaker 1: York in the early eighties, a time when apparently Australian
Speaker 1: accents were relatively uncommon. Despite the fact that Greece had
Speaker 1: just come out. Apparently, New Yorkers assumed that Paul was Scottish,
Speaker 1: which would have made him the world's tennis Scotsman.
Speaker 2: We are such a dumb people, He.
Speaker 1: Apparently really did walk around New York saying good day
Speaker 1: to all the New Yorkers, which is a hilarious image
Speaker 1: for a city that had recently been terrorized by the
Speaker 1: son of Sam. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't a great time to be weird
Speaker 2: and super friendly in New York.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes. As Paul Hogan later told the BBC,
Speaker 1: I felt like an alien from another planet. Some of
Speaker 1: the bushy guys I know would feel even more out
Speaker 1: of place. There's a myth that there's a real crocodile Dundee,
Speaker 1: but there isn't. Well, Paul, most of Australia would beg
Speaker 1: to differ, though Paul Hogan would deny it. Many believe
Speaker 1: that the character of Mick Crocodile Dundee was based on
Speaker 1: the astonishing true life story of an Australian man named
Speaker 1: rod ansel rod had become something of a folk hero
Speaker 1: in Australia. After we survived, I have more than seven
Speaker 1: weeks on a small island at the mouth of a
Speaker 1: crocodile infested river in the remote Northern Territory. The incident
Speaker 1: occurred in nineteen seventy seven, when he was sailing down
Speaker 1: the Fitzmorris River. To this day, it's unclear exactly why
Speaker 1: he was doing this.
Speaker 2: I should do I have a do we have hang on,
Speaker 2: I gotta drum up some ambience you can have like
Speaker 2: a didgerido in the background.
Speaker 1: Let me just just go an outback commercial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's a passable, but that's a kucku barra. No,
Speaker 2: it is also part of my new noise project. You
Speaker 2: should throw a bunch of reaver on that, Okay.
Speaker 1: To this day, it's unclear why Rod Ansel was on
Speaker 1: the river in the first place. He would claim it
Speaker 1: was a fishing trip, but as his Wikipedia reads, he
Speaker 1: was not specific about his plans, only telling his then
Speaker 1: girlfriend Lorraine that he would be back in a few months.
Speaker 1: Ansel's motor boat was then capsized and sunk by quote
Speaker 1: something big. He would later sensationally claim that it was
Speaker 1: a whale, and have also read that it was a crocodile.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a crocodile.
Speaker 2: The river is mile I went and checked because I
Speaker 2: was like, that sounds implausible, and sure enough, there are
Speaker 2: whales around the different coast of Australia, but that river
Speaker 2: is so far inland it must have been an idiot
Speaker 2: of a whale to get lost, or he was a
Speaker 2: bad sailor and he hit nothing and he got that's
Speaker 2: also equally like that.
Speaker 1: It's whatever the case. The boat sank and Rod jumped
Speaker 1: into a dinghy and salvaged his two eight week old
Speaker 1: bull terriers. No idea why he brought two puppies on
Speaker 1: this expedition, A rifle, a knife, some canned food and bedding.
Speaker 1: The dinghy washed ashore on a small island at the
Speaker 1: mouth of the river, and Ansel slept in between the
Speaker 1: roots of a tree, just out of reach of crocodiles,
Speaker 1: but up close and personal with a brown tree snake
Speaker 1: without I mean drinking water. Ansel had to catch wild
Speaker 1: cattle and suck their blood to keep them hydrated.
Speaker 2: Oh that's normal, that's what the Mongols did.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and this is truly insane. He caught bees
Speaker 1: and tied threads to their bodies so he could follow
Speaker 1: them to their hives and obtain honey to wide'm nourished.
Speaker 1: Isn't that that's insane. At one point, Rod shot a
Speaker 1: sixteen foot crocodile whose head he kept as a souvenir.
Speaker 2: They're good eats too, I don't mind, really mind crocodile?
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you had it? What's it taste to day?
Speaker 2: There's a place in my my college town that did
Speaker 2: fried crocodile bites. It was like the New Orleans bar.
Speaker 2: I've had crocodile jerky, and I don't really like it.
Speaker 2: I think you do have to deep I think you
Speaker 2: got to just deep fry him. But you know, I
Speaker 2: don't defry anything tastes good. What can SHA deep fry
Speaker 2: these days?
Speaker 1: Hell? Yeah, brother, that's a NASCAR baby. Rod roamed for
Speaker 1: seven weeks. Apparently it was one hundred and twenty miles
Speaker 1: from the nearest settlement, and he basically assumed that he
Speaker 1: was running out the clock and would die where he was.
Speaker 1: But then he stumbled on two Aboriginal stockman and their boss,
Speaker 1: who led him to safety, or so he claimed, Grand
Speaker 1: of salt, Grain of salt. According to ron Ansell, he
Speaker 1: initially intended to downplays ordeal, fearing that his recklessness would
Speaker 1: upset his mother. Oh yeah, remember that all? Remember that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know, I read ahead.
Speaker 1: Once the media got ahold of his story, however, it
Speaker 1: took on a life of its own. He was dubbed
Speaker 1: the modern day Robinson Crusoe. Journalist Robert Milliken would say
Speaker 1: of Ansel, he was charming. He seems to have never
Speaker 1: worn shoes, even when traveling on aircraft ew and staying
Speaker 1: in city hotels. At the height of his fame, the
Speaker 1: press went absolutely mad over his story, and no one
Speaker 1: seemed to mind that the details grew even more incredible.
Speaker 1: Rod would publish a memoir in nineteen eighty entitled to
Speaker 1: Fight the Wild, which was always viewed very skeptically by
Speaker 1: locals of Australia's rugged top end, and many wondered why
Speaker 1: he went fishing alone in such a dangerous area, which
Speaker 1: is a great question. Privately, Rod confided to friends that
Speaker 1: he wasn't fishing, but he was actually illegally poaching crocodiles,
Speaker 1: which would maybe explain a lot of why he was
Speaker 1: so cagy about all this.
Speaker 2: He can't poach crocodiles. They're reptiles. They just like grow
Speaker 2: from the earth for dinosaurs. Dude, that's that's not poaching.
Speaker 2: That's like a fair match between man and beast. It's
Speaker 2: not like a white tailed deer. Yeah, I guess if
Speaker 2: you have a gun. But you know, still, the.
Speaker 1: Man was always good for a quote. Including this gem
Speaker 1: which seems designed to remind people that he's Australian. Can
Speaker 1: you do an Australian accent? Can you read this? I
Speaker 1: can't do it.
Speaker 2: It's so mine just falls apart. But let me see,
Speaker 2: let me.
Speaker 1: See if I try try it out here, I'll highlight
Speaker 1: it for you.
Speaker 2: All the blokes up in this country you work with,
Speaker 2: cattle ringer, his stockmen, bull catches, whatever, all of them
Speaker 2: have really narrow shaves all the time. It's getting it's
Speaker 2: edging into New Zealand. I can only sustain it for
Speaker 2: like a phrase or two. But they never talk about it. No,
Speaker 2: that's just offensive. Sorry Stirlians. I think the opinion is
Speaker 2: that if you come through in one piece and you're
Speaker 2: still alive, then nothing else matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then he says, it's like going out to shoot a kangaroo.
Speaker 2: You don't come back and say you missed by half
Speaker 2: an inch. He either got him or you didn't. So
Speaker 2: that's how I looked at it until the paper got
Speaker 2: ahold of the story and that changed a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good. Rod Ansell was interviewed by the
Speaker 1: legendary British broadcaster Michael Parkinson. Parky to our beloved British listeners.
Speaker 1: They'll be very familiar with him. And Ansel attended this
Speaker 1: interview barefoot and admitted to sleeping on the floor of
Speaker 1: the luxury hotel what the producers had booked him into
Speaker 1: because he was more comfortable there. I'm sorry, good care,
Speaker 1: come on guy, And he also shared the fact that
Speaker 1: he was mystified by the bidet well, the whole sleeping
Speaker 1: on the floor thing and the whole bidet confusion or
Speaker 1: two details that was surfacing the Crocodile Dundee film. I mean,
Speaker 1: say what you will about this Ansel guy. He and
Speaker 1: his family would apparently live under a canvas sheet with
Speaker 1: no electricity or running water, communicating by radio and cooking
Speaker 1: over a campfire. So maybe the bed was a little
Speaker 1: too foreign form after all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you can get away with a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff in Australia because people were just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Sure, I buy that a ruthlessly practical people.
Speaker 2: It's really funny to me because the there's this Johnny
Speaker 2: Cash record I have called minas Hell, which is about
Speaker 2: it's like Western ballads, and in the liner notes of it,
Speaker 2: he claims to have prepared for this record by let
Speaker 2: me see if it knew Johnny Cash sleeping under mesquite
Speaker 2: and in gullies, sitting for hours beneath a man's and
Speaker 2: nightA bush an ancient Indian burial ground, and breathing the
Speaker 2: west wind and hearing the tails. It tells only to
Speaker 2: those who listen that he also added that he ate
Speaker 2: mesquite beans and squeezed the water from a barrel cactus,
Speaker 2: learned how to throw a bowie knife and kill a
Speaker 2: jack rabbit at forty yards, and was once saved by
Speaker 2: a forest ranger lying flat on my back starving.
Speaker 1: So is that where we get that picture of Johnny
Speaker 1: Cash with cake all over his face afterwards? Is that
Speaker 1: the aftermath? No?
Speaker 2: But I mean the famous thing about Johnny Cash, it's
Speaker 2: so funny, is that I believe this was the same year,
Speaker 2: or like within one year of him burning down like
Speaker 2: an enormous chunk of California forest and like killing half
Speaker 2: the condors that were alive in the world at that point.
Speaker 2: And then in court he said, I don't give I
Speaker 2: don't give a damn about your filthy, dirty buzzards.
Speaker 1: Is that the quote something like that, Yeah, shades of
Speaker 1: Charlton Heston and landed of the apes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, if anybody's built up like the appropriate sort
Speaker 1: of karma to kill half the condors, it's kind of
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash, right, Yeah, who else?
Speaker 2: Give it to James Brown? Sure, it's the hardest working
Speaker 2: man show business. Let him kill a couple of condors. True, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you really would.
Speaker 1: Have be funny.
Speaker 2: It was Brian Wilson that would have shut him down
Speaker 2: for forever. God, we could we could have been spared
Speaker 2: the entirety of the Mike Love era if he had
Speaker 2: just killed well, no, I got dark. If he just snapped,
Speaker 2: you know, in the right room with the right guy.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you know, the Mike Love story about him in
Speaker 1: the early seventies where he was just on this our
Speaker 1: front of the pod door will remind me of more
Speaker 1: of the finer points of this. But he basically like
Speaker 1: went on like a juice fast and just like didn't
Speaker 1: sleep for days and meditated and then like led. I
Speaker 1: believe the police were involved with some kind of high
Speaker 1: speed chase and he just completely freaked out. Good for him,
Speaker 1: and he blamed it. He blamed it on his quote
Speaker 1: tainted Wilson blood because he's Brian Wilson's cousin. That's a
Speaker 1: good band name. I might have to use that tainted
Speaker 1: Bullson Blood. Yeah, that's your new EP.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it would be logical to assume that this
Speaker 2: tailor made for the Zeitgeist story, complete with very specific
Speaker 2: elements that would turn up in the film inspired Crocodile Dundee,
Speaker 2: But Paul Hogan has never copped to it, which part
Speaker 2: of me is like, never let him see you blink.
Speaker 2: Pardon is also like a you're bad man, you garbage human,
Speaker 2: because this made rad Ansel extremely bitter, and he's somewhat
Speaker 2: understandably felt entitled to some royalties or at least recognition,
Speaker 2: which would never be forthcoming. And after the global success
Speaker 2: of the film, Ansel would eventually take Hogan to court
Speaker 2: in an attempt to get a piece of the sweet
Speaker 2: sweet Dundee cash. So the case was rejected, and then
Speaker 2: things went from bad.
Speaker 1: To worse for old Ronnie.
Speaker 2: Fame took its predictable toll on his h I'm going
Speaker 2: to do the behind the music the music bed shifts
Speaker 2: into a minor chord. Fame took its predictable toll on
Speaker 2: Ansell's personal life and his marriage soon imploded. By nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety two, he was convicted of stealing cattle and assaulting
Speaker 2: the owner of a ranch. He moved onto a parcel
Speaker 2: of land owned by his new girlfriend, a former tour guide,
Speaker 2: where he started growing his own marijuana and injecting speed
Speaker 2: with what one outlet describes as a vengeance, leading to
Speaker 2: increasingly regular incidents of drug induced psychosis. That's not fair
Speaker 2: to drugs, could just be regular psychosis. He became increasingly paranoid,
Speaker 2: blaming his problems on a government program culling wild buffalo
Speaker 2: to decrease tuberculosis in the cattle industry. Now Ansel had
Speaker 2: been hunting wild buffalo for part of his living ever
Speaker 2: since he was a teen, and he began to believe
Speaker 2: that the police and the government were conspiring against him.
Speaker 2: His new girlfriend didn't do much to help. She told
Speaker 2: him that her family had been members of a secret
Speaker 2: medieval fraternity, and that as a child, she had witnessed
Speaker 2: the sacrifice of young girls that were quote brought out
Speaker 2: of the woods to be bound, raped and slaughtered. It's
Speaker 2: actually pretty plausible, really, if you read some of the
Speaker 2: weird shit I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you elaborate? You know?
Speaker 2: This is that whole David McGowan thing about serial killers
Speaker 2: and the elaborate web of international one percent pedophilia that
Speaker 2: sprung from it or because of it. I lost the
Speaker 2: plot a little on that one, but clearly well both
Speaker 2: of these people were on edge as it were, as
Speaker 2: it were in the parlance of the times. It got
Speaker 2: worse when they saw or claimed to see three bow
Speaker 2: hunters dressed in camouflage with night vision goggles near their
Speaker 2: bush camp. This and the meth didn't help. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you saw.
Speaker 1: Three camouflaged bow hunters outside your campground, I would.
Speaker 2: Assume they were hunting. Sure, the man was a poacher
Speaker 2: and hunter his whole life, and he just sees other
Speaker 2: people with better outfits and flips out. But it was
Speaker 2: definitely the mat.
Speaker 1: I see people with better outfits and I flip out. Two.
Speaker 1: This all ended in tragedy. That's not a great segue
Speaker 1: in August nineteen ninety nine, when rod Ansell died in
Speaker 1: a drug fueled shootout that left one police officer dead
Speaker 1: and other civilians badly wounded.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, it dude's rock that's NASCAR baby.
Speaker 1: In the days leading up to his death, neighbors heard
Speaker 1: him ranting that the Freemasons were conspiring to kidnap his
Speaker 1: two adult sons. Plausible, okay. Ansel wounded two men in
Speaker 1: a shooting spree on the night of August second night,
Speaker 1: ninety nine before disappearing into the bush. The incident is
Speaker 1: described in riveting detail on a twenty fourteen Herald's Sun
Speaker 1: article by Ellie Turner. Ansel fired six shots at a
Speaker 1: caravan or RV on Kentish Road. Resident David Hobden jumped
Speaker 1: into his truck, armed with his double barrel shoddy and
Speaker 1: went to investigate the shootings. He lost an eye when
Speaker 1: Ansel put a bullet through the windscreen of his truck.
Speaker 1: That's sat. Hobden ran to alert his neighbor, Brian Williams,
Speaker 1: who quote.
Speaker 2: No, not that, Brian Williams.
Speaker 1: Who quote waxed wrath at the state of his mate's
Speaker 1: face and grabbed a baseball bat.
Speaker 2: Some of these people's idioms are baffling to me. I understand, like,
Speaker 2: you can wax poetic? How do you wax a noun?
Speaker 2: Are we waxing podcast right now? I mean, I guess, yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes sense?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, context clues. Okay, sure, he charged at
Speaker 1: Ansel with his baseball bat who was trying to steal
Speaker 1: the injured man's truck. I smacked him straight down the
Speaker 1: forehead and that's when he blew my hand off. Mister
Speaker 1: Williams told police he was going on about stealing his
Speaker 1: children and freemasons and being a baby killer. Oh just
Speaker 1: he was mad. Mate. Ansel fired shots at Williams's house
Speaker 1: and then he ran away, his rifle in one hand
Speaker 1: and mister Hobden's shotgun in the other. After he disappeared
Speaker 1: into the brush, the police set up a roadblock. The
Speaker 1: next day. A man was leaning on a cop car,
Speaker 1: it said roadblock quote, chatting to the officers when a
Speaker 1: bullet blew a hole the size of a baseball in
Speaker 1: his pelvis. He was flung forward, screaming on the ground.
Speaker 1: The shots were coming from light scrub behind the roadside.
Speaker 1: The cunning fugitive had sneaked through the bush and was
Speaker 1: hidden by dappled tree shadows. A veteran policeman named Sergeant
Speaker 1: Glen Anthony Houston was struck in the abdomen by a
Speaker 1: bullet that ricocheted off the metal door of his police cruiser,
Speaker 1: and his bulletproof vest hadn't been fastened properly, and it
Speaker 1: struck him on a velcro strap that should have been
Speaker 1: covered by a kevlar flap but was not. One of
Speaker 1: the odds, it's tiny, like one inch square skill issue.
Speaker 2: And question when you say he disappeared into the brush,
Speaker 2: that means you're talking about like scrub, like roadside scrub.
Speaker 2: How is that different from the bush as it's the
Speaker 2: capital t capital bach.
Speaker 1: It could be one and the same.
Speaker 2: There's no way of knowing.
Speaker 1: I think it's like on the highway through these areas,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the highway's the only thing and
Speaker 1: so on either side you've got Yeah, so I think
Speaker 1: that was what it was. I think so I think
Speaker 1: it's it's one and the same. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The policeman died later that day, another police the rookie
Speaker 1: of the interrupting this life or death story with pedantry
Speaker 1: as is our thing? Is it's kind of our that's
Speaker 1: kind of the bit.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it happened in Australia, is it really
Speaker 2: even true? Did it happen? Like if you die in Australia,
Speaker 2: do you die in real life or do you wake
Speaker 2: up just in England's.
Speaker 1: Ah, this is all very sad. Please love our one
Speaker 1: star reviews.
Speaker 2: You know what I would accept that. I would accept
Speaker 2: of like rod Ansels, one of his adult sons who
Speaker 2: escaped kidnapping by the Freemasons, like gave us a one
Speaker 2: star review, I would wear that as a badge of honor.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about your insane father. I love him so much.
Speaker 1: Another policeman, the rookie of the pair, who was not
Speaker 1: wearing a bulletproof vest, he returned Ansels fire. He would
Speaker 1: later say, the only verbal communication I had with the
Speaker 1: gunman was when I was reloading the shotgun for the
Speaker 1: first time. I called out to him to put his
Speaker 1: weapons down. He called back, You're all dead. Hell yah,
Speaker 1: making this scene even more like a Michael Bay movie.
Speaker 1: This is when troop carriers quote came hurtling down the highway.
Speaker 1: The first driver hit the brakes and swerved as he
Speaker 1: heard the gunfire. The four wheel drive rolled when the
Speaker 1: second car crashed into it, Unable to stop in time.
Speaker 1: Ansel got up on one knee and began lining up
Speaker 1: the cops who were crawling out of the vehicle. But
Speaker 1: this rookie cop, Constable J. D. O'Brien, got a clear shot.
Speaker 1: The autopsy showed thirty three bullet wounds and grazes to
Speaker 1: Ansell's body, Two were fatal, one shot ripped through his
Speaker 1: order he fell face down in the dirt. The real
Speaker 1: mystery is the fact that rod Ansel had apparently escaped
Speaker 1: the roadblocks by clinging to the back of a train
Speaker 1: so metal, which would have essentially allowed him to live
Speaker 1: forever in the bush, but instead he came back to
Speaker 1: fight the cops. But then again, you gotta have goals.
Speaker 1: Then again, this mystery is likely solved by the autopsy,
Speaker 1: which showed that he was very high on meth amphetamine.
Speaker 1: Rod Ansel was given a full aboriginal burial in Arnheim, Land.
Speaker 2: Citation needed.
Speaker 1: A strange sad end to the man who is most
Speaker 1: likely the real crocodile dum dee. I love him. What
Speaker 1: do you think about that? You know?
Speaker 2: I love him? I mean, you know we have that here,
Speaker 2: we have like meth guys doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: But like there's an element of like ruby ridge in
Speaker 1: there too with this though.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm sort of surprised you hadn't heard of him. This
Speaker 1: seems like something that's very much in your wheelhouse.
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean I I, well, the next guy
Speaker 2: will talk about I had well, not Paul Hogan, but
Speaker 2: the next Australian guy. I don't know, there's such a
Speaker 2: self direction to that life story, right Like, this guy
Speaker 2: was just like, you're not going to give me money
Speaker 2: from you steal my entire personality. You get no money
Speaker 2: from that. I reject all of this, you know, and
Speaker 2: then goes down to blaze of glory, right like, there's
Speaker 2: a reason that we like we still watch you know,
Speaker 2: butch Cassidy, Yeah, I was going to say, uh, as
Speaker 2: a reason we still watch Bonnie and Clyde, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean that's the other thing about Americans and Australians,
Speaker 2: you know, we have this rich like anti anti hero
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly that, you know, and uh.
Speaker 1: Because we are rebel nations sort of, but you know,
Speaker 1: don't do math. Yeah yeah, that didn't That didn't help. No,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised that Paul Hogan dared to this.
Speaker 1: This rod Ansel guy seems like somebody you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to piss off. I'm kind of amazed that he was
Speaker 1: he was this. He didn't just settle with them in court,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm largely blowing this out of my ass.
Speaker 2: But I feel like there's like a similar British like
Speaker 2: the like the class system in Australia is similar to
Speaker 2: like the way it is in Britain where it's just
Speaker 2: like if you like the people in like Sydney and
Speaker 2: the cosmopolitan type like look down on these guys as
Speaker 2: as you know, like hillbillies.
Speaker 1: Essentially.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of racial stuff tied into that,
Speaker 2: because that was how the Aborigines were living and they
Speaker 2: you know, they lived in that area for forty thousand
Speaker 2: years a quote.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that insane?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they threw him into a bunch of
Speaker 2: schools and abused him and did bad shit and love
Speaker 2: white people.
Speaker 1: Two hundred years ago we showed up and yeah, at.
Speaker 2: Least it wasn't for something stupid like spices. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: got idiot columbus opium, Yeah, opium, And they're just well,
Speaker 2: have you ever done opium?
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right
Speaker 1: back with more too much information in just a moment. Wow.
Speaker 2: So Paul Hogan claims that this man was not the
Speaker 2: origin of Mick Crocodile Dundee, but Hogan's own origin story
Speaker 2: is comparable in some way, Segue. Famously, Hogan had many
Speaker 2: jobs over the years, supposedly as many as twenty five,
Speaker 2: including boxer, chauffeur and a rigger on the Sydney Harbor Bridge,
Speaker 2: which sharp eyed viewers will note is the first image
Speaker 2: you see in the opening shot of Crocodile Dundee while
Speaker 2: Sue Charleton played by Linda Coleslawski, talks to her editor
Speaker 2: slash boyfriend on the phone at the beginning of the film.
Speaker 2: Contrary to popular rumor and the lore around Paul is
Speaker 2: strong in Australia, he was not a painter on the bridge.
Speaker 2: He's been asked about this very many times, and is
Speaker 2: quoted to saying, look, if I had been a painter
Speaker 2: and you'd turn up every day and said, what color
Speaker 2: are we going to do today? Boys, ah, battleship Gray,
Speaker 2: I'd have jumped off, jump out of jumped up. Now
Speaker 2: it leans to New Zealand. It was all working on
Speaker 2: this bridge in nineteen seventy one that the naturally charismatic
Speaker 2: and humorous Hogan, then in his early thirties, decided to
Speaker 2: try for an amateur talent TV show called New Faces,
Speaker 2: which is basically a kind of like American Idol type
Speaker 2: show in Australia. Hogan was apparently dared to do this
Speaker 2: by his coworkers on the Bridge after observing the whole
Speaker 2: shtick of the show was that judges mocked the performers,
Speaker 2: and Hogan felt like the judges deserved similar treating, so
Speaker 2: he got himself booked on the show by claiming to
Speaker 2: be a tap dancing knife thrower, and then he proceeded
Speaker 2: to make fun of the judges before, according to Wikipedia,
Speaker 2: performing a rudimentary shuffle and throwing the knives onto the floor.
Speaker 1: So I'd be like if somebody went on American Idol
Speaker 1: and just mocked Simon Cowell. Yeah, I mean like four Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so cool.
Speaker 2: Good for him. Also, like taking the piss with Australians
Speaker 2: is just like the like the nat Lingua fraka.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: This all went down so well, and he was invited
Speaker 2: back for repeated performances for such highbrow bits as making
Speaker 2: a series of jokes before banging two shovels together a
Speaker 2: few times. It was really easy to make it back then.
Speaker 1: You had the build. It really killed in the room.
Speaker 2: Hogan was soon booked as a regular guest on a
Speaker 2: news magazine program called A Current Affair, where He's so
Speaker 2: impressed producer John Cornell with his comedic hot takes that
Speaker 2: Cornell decided to bring him back as a regular guest commentator.
Speaker 1: It was so easy back then.
Speaker 2: The pair grew close, and John Cornell would become Hogan's
Speaker 2: manager and business partner. Cornell was a brilliant marketer. He'd
Speaker 2: to build up Hogan's image without overexposing him. He signed
Speaker 2: him up to promote two products that would reinforce his
Speaker 2: rough hewn, working class image, cigarettes and beer. The beer
Speaker 2: ads for Foster, of course, obviously, although I think Victoria
Speaker 2: Bitters is like the actual babes got my Winnie Blues,
Speaker 2: I'm a vbays Ah, It's got me holding. The ads
Speaker 2: became fairly renowned for their Fish out of Water humor,
Speaker 2: in which Hogan played an earthy Australian a broad and
Speaker 2: cosmopolitan London. The character's most notable line, spoken incredulously a
Speaker 2: ballet performance, was Struth has a bloke down there with
Speaker 2: no strides on.
Speaker 1: I need to google what struth means.
Speaker 2: It dogged Hogan for years. In another advertisement from the
Speaker 2: same Foster series, Hogan's characters approached in London Tube station
Speaker 2: by a Japanese tourists who asked, do you know the
Speaker 2: way to cock Fosters, which is an admittedly hilariously named
Speaker 2: area in North London, to which Hogan replies with a
Speaker 2: puzzled look on his face, drink it warm, mate.
Speaker 1: Is cocking a beer? It means like, because you're a
Speaker 1: cocking drink and sucks.
Speaker 2: You can put it in your mouth like you would
Speaker 2: with a dick.
Speaker 1: Uh uh tuckle bell Bell.
Speaker 2: Paul Hogan John Crnell formed their own production company JP Productions,
Speaker 2: John and Paul. There are layers, not like there were
Speaker 2: any you know, any other John Paul's that would have
Speaker 2: been out there around the time, and in nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: three they created a weekly TV sketching variety show called
Speaker 2: The Paul Hogan Show.
Speaker 1: It sucks. It's any hill, but but worse.
Speaker 2: It is wildly I mean his first of all not
Speaker 2: aged well as an understatement, but it is like some
Speaker 2: of the dumbest humor imaginable. I was clicking through a
Speaker 2: compilation of it and there was like, there's one where
Speaker 2: the whole bit is just that it looks like a
Speaker 2: tough looking punk band with chains and stuff and mugging
Speaker 2: the camera and then they just start singing like a
Speaker 2: quasi effeminate new wave And that's the whole, that's the bit.
Speaker 2: But some of the characters, to give you an ex
Speaker 2: to give you a maybe I'm not judging it. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm too close to this, you know, And so let's
Speaker 2: let's pick it.
Speaker 1: Let's put the.
Speaker 2: Pantheon of Paul Hogan.
Speaker 1: How deep does it go? How deep does this go?
Speaker 2: I'd like to spotlight some of the characters that Paul
Speaker 2: invented on his namesake, his eponymous show. Leo Wanker, an
Speaker 2: inept daredevil stuntman, George Fungus, a parody of real life
Speaker 2: television journalist George Nigus of the Australian sixty minutes. Super
Speaker 2: Dag an aker super hero complete with terry toweling hat
Speaker 2: and zinc creamed nose. His powers included the ability to
Speaker 2: use his Eskie in innovative ways. Should I explain any
Speaker 2: of those terms, Oh, if you're so moved, I mean
Speaker 2: I google to come him. Eski is just slang for
Speaker 2: a portable cooler that I didn't know because an Eskimo brand.
Speaker 2: But oker is like literally according to the Australian National
Speaker 2: University is an uncouth, uncultivated or aggressively borish Australian male,
Speaker 2: stereotypically Australian in speech and manner, a typical or average
Speaker 2: Australian male terry toweling hat.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to touch that one.
Speaker 2: Pierce Pierce the Whino, an old drunken Darrow who start
Speaker 2: a Darrow Darrow who starred in a series of silent
Speaker 2: Benny Hill style Shenanigans. Dong Er, Uh, there were there
Speaker 2: were few variations on Donger. He has a big butt, Sorry,
Speaker 2: he has a big beer gut, that's the bit. There
Speaker 2: was Sergeant Donger, the tough cop with a bionic beer gut,
Speaker 2: and Arthur Donger, a character of the suburban beer drunk
Speaker 2: Australian male. Next we had Nigel Loveless, a skateboarding eleven
Speaker 2: year old almost twelve, which I guess is a bit
Speaker 2: in the show. Yeah, yes, the afore mentioned Arthur Donger.
Speaker 2: And lastly Luigi, a magician with a thick Italian accent
Speaker 2: who spectacularly fails at attempted magic tricks. Occasionally, Luigi would
Speaker 2: have an assistant called Maria and When the tricks failed,
Speaker 2: Luigi would shount dancer Maria to distract attention. So I
Speaker 2: have to assume it was better live in the room.
Speaker 1: In the room, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2: When you look at old like Fry and Laurie, some
Speaker 2: of that has not aged super well.
Speaker 1: But this is a.
Speaker 2: Dog shit yeah yeah yeah. The show would generally end
Speaker 2: with Hogan and his bridge painter get up trying to
Speaker 2: flip cigarettes into his mouth. So just Pinnacle of Entertainment,
Speaker 2: a McLaughlin.
Speaker 1: Group, it was not.
Speaker 2: How about this? The Algonquin Round Table was not. The
Speaker 2: show did air until nineteen eighty four and was syndicated internationally,
Speaker 2: including in the US, where Hogan cannily parlayed his fame
Speaker 2: into a gig with the Australian Tourism Board, creating a
Speaker 2: series of ads in the nineteen eighties encouraging Americans to
Speaker 2: visit the Wonda's Dad Anda and his offer to slip
Speaker 2: an extra shrimp on the bobby for you.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was where that was from, he did,
Speaker 1: did I actually, But.
Speaker 2: You said in Australia that they call him prons instead.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, in Australia and England and any part of
Speaker 1: the British Empire. I think they call him prons well.
Speaker 2: By the mid eighties, Hogan was wildly successful and hiding
Speaker 2: large chunks of money from the Australian government. Allegedly he
Speaker 2: was vowed. He was voted Australian of the Year in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1: Due just loves being Australian man.
Speaker 2: I mean good, Like, yeah, who is his competition, like
Speaker 2: mel Gibson ac DC for ten years running? I guess yeah,
Speaker 2: it would have been mel Gibson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about mel Gibson being Australian.
Speaker 1: Who claims him well? Especially now? Who like what was
Speaker 1: he was born here and then raised there or vice versa.
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit, I now, I very much do.
Speaker 1: I would just google it can come back. Well, I am,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing right now. He said. Irish citizenship too,
Speaker 1: what the hell? Born in Peakskill, New York, Okay, six
Speaker 1: of eleventh children Jesus Chrincy Irish uh Irish born mom.
Speaker 1: His father was awarded one hundred and forty five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in a work related injury lawsuit against the New
Speaker 1: York Central Railroad and soon afterwards, he and his entire
Speaker 1: family relocated to Sydney, Australia.
Speaker 2: That's how you do it, get rich off an accident
Speaker 2: and move down, skipped down.
Speaker 1: Up sticks as the British sticks. Yes. Mel Gibson was
Speaker 1: twelve years old at the time. His move to his
Speaker 1: grandmother's native Australia was for economic reasons and his father's
Speaker 1: expectation that the Australian Defense Forces would reject his eldest
Speaker 1: son from the drafts during Vietnam whatever.
Speaker 2: Too far in the weeds, I guess Australia claims him.
Speaker 1: Seems to be. Yeah, he's got a some kind of
Speaker 1: he's got the Order of Australia Honor. So yeah, sure, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well there we go. How about that? How about that?
Speaker 1: So Paul Hogan was like the pre eminent Australian on
Speaker 1: the face of the planet in nineteen eighty five, and
Speaker 1: so he and his business partner John Cornell wanted to
Speaker 1: build on the success of the Paul Hogan TV show
Speaker 1: and give Australia an international folk hero that, in Hogan's estimation,
Speaker 1: they so richly deserved. And that's how they decided to
Speaker 1: make Crocodile Dundee a tale of the trials and tribulations
Speaker 1: of a gruff but lovable Australian who visits New York City.
Speaker 1: As we touched on earlier, Paul Hogan claims that he
Speaker 1: came up with the idea for the film on a
Speaker 1: trip to New York, where the culture clash made him
Speaker 1: wonder what would be like if a real Aussie hunter
Speaker 1: arrived in the Big Apple. To be sure, this was
Speaker 1: a deliberate attempt to make a commercial Australian comedy that
Speaker 1: would appeal to the American audience, and they took great
Speaker 1: pains to ensure that the script wasn't smutty or violent.
Speaker 1: John Colonel, I can never say his name, John Cornell,
Speaker 1: like the college. That's not how you spell Cornell. Oh
Speaker 1: it is. My grandfather went there to.
Speaker 2: Please leave that in.
Speaker 1: Obviously I didn't go to Cornell. Producer John Cornell would
Speaker 1: explain that the target audience for Crocodile Dundee is the
Speaker 1: eight to eighty age group quote a demographic like a
Speaker 1: double barreled shotgun shoty. Paul Hogan was quoted as saying,
Speaker 1: there's a lot about Dundee that we all think we're like.
Speaker 1: We meaning Australians, but we're not because we live in Sydney.
Speaker 1: He's a mythical outback Australian who does exist in part
Speaker 1: the frontiersman who walks through the bush picking up snakes
Speaker 1: and throwing them aside, living off the land, who can
Speaker 1: ride horses and chop down trees and has that simple, friendly,
Speaker 1: laid back philosophy. It's like the image the Americans have
Speaker 1: of us, so why not give them one. We've always
Speaker 1: been desperately short of folk heroes in this country. Ned
Speaker 1: Kelly is pathetic. Some are the bush rangers. Ned Kelly
Speaker 1: catches trays from Paul Hogan. Yeah, the script for Crocodile
Speaker 1: Dundee was written by Hogan and his manager John Cournell,
Speaker 1: who produced the thing himself. This is really they're kept
Speaker 1: in house.
Speaker 2: Only for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ned Kelly is like a Jesse James kind of figure
Speaker 2: in Australia. His Wikipedia page has one of the most
Speaker 2: like He looks like a guy who works at a
Speaker 2: barber shop in Brooklyn. He's incredible beer.
Speaker 1: He's played by Mick Jagger, right, perfect hair.
Speaker 2: Well, don't hold bad against him, and many people think
Speaker 2: his image is mushroomed into this like Robin Hood kind
Speaker 2: of situation in Australia. But there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people who just say he was like a violent outlaw.
Speaker 2: But most importantly to my interests, he is famous for
Speaker 2: wearing a homemade suit of armor bulletproof vest in his
Speaker 2: last standoff with police was a bulletproof Given that it
Speaker 2: was his last stand up with police, I'm guess he
Speaker 2: was bet attesting it. He was also a bare knuckle boxer.
Speaker 2: He thought a guy over a chestnut mare and one
Speaker 2: in twenty rounds. You know, I mean, I'd feel like
Speaker 2: somebody to feel like well, I guess you could say
Speaker 2: on Dillinger. A lot of people do, but those people
Speaker 2: are wrong.
Speaker 1: Have you seen a picture of his homemade suit of armor? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's sick. Yeah. I mean I don't see any eye holes,
Speaker 1: which I guess would say to reason. I do see
Speaker 1: a lot of bullet dance. So I guess it didn't
Speaker 1: do that bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he didn't know, he didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's try. That's cool though.
Speaker 2: I mean the battle lasted a half an hour wow,
Speaker 2: and he was only brought down by two shotgun blasts
Speaker 2: to his unprotected legs. He had twenty eight wounds and
Speaker 2: then they found him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Ned Kelly was the subject of the first dramatic
Speaker 2: feature length film ever, The Story of the Yes, the
Speaker 2: Story of the Kelly Gang, in nineteen o six.
Speaker 1: Ever, not just in Australia but ever. Ever, that's wild regard.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, because it's the seventeen minutes of it that
Speaker 2: still survived. But it is u's pretty long fribed in
Speaker 2: its it's literally enshrined in UNESCO, which is the United
Speaker 2: States Nations Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, for being
Speaker 2: the world's first full length narrative feature film. You Paul Hogan,
Speaker 2: you don't have that keep Kelly's name out of your mouth.
Speaker 1: So, in short, you disagree with Paul Hogan's assessment that
Speaker 1: Ned Kelly was pathetic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, everybody needs folk heroes. And it's also it's
Speaker 2: also rich of Paul Hogan to be like, yeah, bad
Speaker 2: other guy, this guy who's life I stolen out of
Speaker 2: any money for it. That's the guy. I'm the guy,
Speaker 2: you man. It's just like somebody bold basically being like
Speaker 2: like making a thinly veiled biopic of like Jesse James
Speaker 2: and then being like, no, it's not based on him.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I was from when I went to New York.
Speaker 1: Come on. Paul Hogan and his business manager John Cornell
Speaker 1: sketched out a ten million dollar budget, which was fairly
Speaker 1: modest even for the time. Crocodile Dundy was unusual because
Speaker 1: it didn't go through the Australian Film Commission, which usually
Speaker 1: supplies financing in exchange for some degree of creative meddling.
Speaker 1: Instead of going for a few big investors, they targeted
Speaker 1: a lot of small donations for many just like us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also a big B movie horror movie crowdfunding situation.
Speaker 2: Like Sam Raimi, the initial the rights to the first
Speaker 2: Evil Dead, and I believe largely why the Second Evil
Speaker 2: Dead is basically a shot for shot remake of the
Speaker 2: first one. The rights are disaster because he would they
Speaker 2: were just going around to anybody being like, we have
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars, you'll be a producers. A lot of
Speaker 2: dentists in particular. That was his. That was like one
Speaker 2: of the things he's been on record is saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: we went to a lot of dentists. They have they
Speaker 2: have a lot of money.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of money in there and they're depressed. Yeah, yeah, huh. Interesting.
Speaker 1: In the pre go fund me days, to promote this
Speaker 1: project to potential investors, they gave an interview to the
Speaker 1: Australian business magazine Ridges. How'd you say that, Rydgeses Rogs.
Speaker 1: I mean that just sounds like you're saying it with
Speaker 1: an Australian accent, Yeah Rogers. Okay, all right, well there
Speaker 1: you go. The articles read how's this for Kisman? The
Speaker 1: article is read by Paul Hogan's childhood friend who just
Speaker 1: happened to run an investment bank. This bank agreed to
Speaker 1: underwrite seven million dollars of this ten million dollar feature.
Speaker 2: Sake.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, what is that?
Speaker 2: An eighty five money?
Speaker 1: I would say seven million dollars I would put it
Speaker 1: at I'm gonna say prices right rules without going over,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say twenty one million. I know it's Australian dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's Australian dollars though, I don't
Speaker 1: really know what that means. It's not a real currency.
Speaker 1: They paid in a crocodile meat teeth.
Speaker 2: They say that's the cristis I say.
Speaker 1: Eighty five eighty five. Yeah, I'm gonna say it's close
Speaker 1: to twenty million today.
Speaker 2: Twenty million, eight hundred and eighty six.
Speaker 1: Dollars, I said twenty one. So I went over. I
Speaker 1: lost my prices, right, rules, I lost, but that's pretty close.
Speaker 2: I didn't guess I abstained.
Speaker 1: How big of you. Hogan and John Cronell each kicked
Speaker 1: in six hundred thousand dollars apiece and the rest of
Speaker 1: the budget, so some two million dollars would come from
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred small investors, one of whom was the frontman
Speaker 1: of Australian rock band In Excess, Michael Hutchins. Do you
Speaker 1: have anything you'd like to share about Michael.
Speaker 2: Hutchins handsome, handsome guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like an Australian Jim Morrison, but.
Speaker 2: In excess, a reportedly great band. That one song is good, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know that one song.
Speaker 1: It's a good song. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He died cranking it, cranking the hog and the news,
Speaker 2: as so many of us have.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, I because I always
Speaker 1: assume that. And then before we taped today, I went
Speaker 1: and looked that up and the only person who claimed
Speaker 1: that was his I believe. I believe A strange girlfriend
Speaker 1: at the time, Paula Yates.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that makes sense, something an X would say.
Speaker 1: But then there was some kind of because she was
Speaker 1: dating Bob Geldoff at the time and they had kids together.
Speaker 1: There was love triangle and then and what did what
Speaker 1: was it drugs? She died of drugs not too long
Speaker 1: after talking about her I don't give it.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: No they I mean, they just said it could have
Speaker 1: been depression and suicide. She said as much when interviewed
Speaker 1: by the police, but then later when speaking to some
Speaker 1: journalists or news outlet, she changed the story and said
Speaker 1: that it was autoerotic asphyxiation. But she's the only one
Speaker 1: I think he's claimed that. I think, well, that's sad
Speaker 1: and I regret the error. But but we'll never know.
Speaker 1: But thankfully before he went there's really no segue. I
Speaker 1: can't there's I can't get back to this in a
Speaker 1: way that.
Speaker 2: Is sucks to man. I mean, I just have to
Speaker 2: assume that's true. And you know what, I just did
Speaker 2: a whole bit slandering that man, and like, imagine dying
Speaker 2: and your ex is like, yeah, he killed himself wanking
Speaker 2: it in the noose, and that's lodged in someone's brain
Speaker 2: thirty years later forty years later, My god, what a wait?
Speaker 1: What I mean?
Speaker 2: Hey, at least we're talking about him, right, No such
Speaker 2: thing as bad publicity.
Speaker 1: We aren't talking about his songs though. Yeah. As a musician,
Speaker 1: I'd like to know how you feel about that. Would
Speaker 1: you rather be remember for the songs you write or
Speaker 1: for the way that you didn't die?
Speaker 2: I mean, does anyone want to be remembered for the
Speaker 2: way that they didn't die?
Speaker 1: Is that great? Great? I think I forgot it was.
Speaker 1: I mustn't Frankie Boyle. That sounds like Frankie Boyle. It's like,
Speaker 1: why would Elvis fake his own death? We're gonna fake
Speaker 1: your own death. You could do better than the fake
Speaker 1: ash accident exactly. Yeah. Oh, poor Michael Hutchins. Gods and Elvis. Nah. Yes,
Speaker 1: Michael Hutchins donated to the metaphorical kickstarter for Crocodile Dundee.
Speaker 1: I would have to assume that, like every famous Australian
Speaker 1: must have kicked in something for this. Livington John No
Speaker 1: Gibson maybe gave something. What are some other big Australians
Speaker 1: from the time, the guy from Cold Chisel, half of
Speaker 1: a C d C.
Speaker 2: Mick Cave, the Bad seeds. Oh yeah, though I think
Speaker 2: one of them is German by this time. I forget
Speaker 2: when Blick's joined. The Midnight Oil guy, oh sure, or
Speaker 2: for sure the bloomin Onion.
Speaker 1: The guy who managed the Beg's okay man, oh no,
Speaker 1: oh the beach oh co Oh my god? Yeah, oh man,
Speaker 1: I should say that up top. Much respect to the beg's, well,
Speaker 1: at least the main DG, the terrifying DG. Handsome. Yeah, whenever,
Speaker 1: whenever one of the other begs dies, he grows stronger.
Speaker 2: He's absorbed them into himself. He's like Jim Morris that
Speaker 2: he's like one to two of the spirits of the
Speaker 2: Native Americans. Probably flew in me. Maybe that's what happens
Speaker 2: to the GiB Brothers. Oh god, this is dark. We're
Speaker 2: really punching down. I mean, these people were fabulously wealthy
Speaker 2: and lived out their dreams and talented. We're banking one
Speaker 2: money still alive. We're begging for money from strangers. So
Speaker 2: but still, we've ragged on a lot of dead guys
Speaker 2: and we'll continue to business as usual in excess.
Speaker 1: Michael Hutchins Band You Remember, provided a song for the
Speaker 1: soundtrack for Crocodile don the a different world. The movie
Speaker 1: also contains a snippet of the song down Under by
Speaker 1: Men at Work because it's a movie that's set in Australia,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 2: Think it was like legally like you had to put
Speaker 2: that in, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I was hoping there'd be an interesting
Speaker 1: story about that song, but sadly there is not. I did, however,
Speaker 1: learn that the meaning of the refrain where Beard does
Speaker 1: flow and men chunder has a meaning I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: Apparently to chunder means to vomit. Did you know that? No,
Speaker 1: that's a good word.
Speaker 2: The only regional saying I know for vomiting is haver, right,
Speaker 2: because that's in the.
Speaker 1: Well luck by lucky if more that's Scotland, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Scotland. But he's like, and if I have her,
Speaker 2: I want to be the man who havers at your door.
Speaker 2: And he's like, he's talking about pugin right.
Speaker 1: No, it means talking foolishly.
Speaker 2: Haring means talking. Oh god, I'm just striking out on
Speaker 2: this episode. All those people gave us money, we're gonna
Speaker 2: be like they fell off.
Speaker 1: No, refuse chun do's a good word though. I like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a relative of John Fogerty Coinning Chuglin.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what does it mean again? Oh? I don't know?
Speaker 2: My friends and the mad doctors who are Greg Hanson
Speaker 2: who runs King Pizza Records in New York, Joshua Park
Speaker 2: and Seth Applebaum now killing it with his many tentacled
Speaker 2: project Ghostfunk Orchestra.
Speaker 1: Who does the theme to our show? Yes?
Speaker 2: Who does the theme song to this very show that
Speaker 2: was their slaying for pooping on tour?
Speaker 1: Chugling?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got chugel.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a certain charm to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only other mildly interesting story about that Network song
Speaker 1: down Under is that in two thousand and nine, a
Speaker 1: music publishing company that owns the rights to the Australian
Speaker 1: children's song Cucko Barrow sued the down Under songwriters, claiming
Speaker 1: that the flute riff copied the children's classic Cuckbarrow sits in.
Speaker 2: The old dumb tree Tree the number really uninteresting lawsuit.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite song about Australia? Mine is Tom Traber's
Speaker 2: Blues by Tom waitsaltsingh Mathilda.
Speaker 1: Oh, Walton Matilda is a great song. I like Waltson
Speaker 1: Matilda a lot. I can't say Rolf Harris because he's
Speaker 1: been like me too in a major way. But there's
Speaker 1: a song called Sunrise which is very pretty, which uses
Speaker 1: aboriginal instruments because that was kind of his thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a really good version of Waltson Matilda by Alex Harvey,
Speaker 1: the sensational Alex Harvey Band.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a bit of a deep cut. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a song by it the Pogues called and the band
Speaker 2: played Waltzing Matilda, which is it's like a young man
Speaker 2: who is in the First World War who like came
Speaker 2: from rural Australia and ends up mame spoiler alert, he
Speaker 2: ends up maimed in the Gallipoli campaign, which is I
Speaker 2: understand it a big sensitive spot for Australians as you
Speaker 2: meditate on that. We'll be right back with more too
Speaker 2: much information after these messages.
Speaker 1: All right, now, let's move on to the production Crocodile Dundee. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Paul Hogan is gonna be the titular character, but for
Speaker 1: the role of his love interest, the writer Sue Charlton.
Speaker 1: They met with Linda Kozlowski, a Juilliard classmate of Val Kilmer,
Speaker 1: who'd appeared on Broadway with Dustin Hoffman in Death of
Speaker 1: a Salesman.
Speaker 2: You imagine you go from doing Death of a Salesman
Speaker 2: on Broadway to like showing your ass for this Australian
Speaker 2: tourist movie. I about that girl on some rough days,
Speaker 2: being like, oh yeah in here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she uh was the only American on the set
Speaker 1: and a blonde woman.
Speaker 2: Good lord. I'm surprised she survived.
Speaker 1: Well, she had ed up marrying Paul Hogan, so and
Speaker 1: I'm happy she survived. Yeah. Yeah, Not only was she
Speaker 1: the only American, but she was the only American living
Speaker 1: in a hut in the outpack. For a significant portion
Speaker 1: of the production, Crocodile Dundee was filmed on location in
Speaker 1: Australia and New York City, and per Travel and Leisure,
Speaker 1: the outback scenes were shot in the isolated Kakadu National Park,
Speaker 1: which is roughly the size of Germany.
Speaker 2: Good god, which I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we could pick a state that's like bigger
Speaker 1: than Germany to compare the size of the park too.
Speaker 1: It's something about being the size of Germany feels very
Speaker 1: like impressive, like an achievement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, it's better than being bigger than France.
Speaker 1: I mean honestly kinda. Yeah, this park was located in
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory of Australia. We should have been home
Speaker 1: to a uranium mine, which I know it's probably not dangerous,
Speaker 1: but it just seems like it is dangerous.
Speaker 2: It's just they killed John Wayne filming in irradiated locations.
Speaker 2: Oh well that was that was because they did a
Speaker 2: bomb tests there. This is just like mined from uranium. Yeah,
Speaker 2: isn't that like plutonium. It's like like like the Russians
Speaker 2: drop like one ten thousandth of a milligram into people's
Speaker 2: coffee and they die horribly of massive tumors and organ failure.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure that has to be like somehow like
Speaker 1: made unstable by combining it with something. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's when it's like taken out of the earth. All right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll google it, I'll keep reading. See what
Speaker 1: you get. Go go choogle it. Craig Bowles, the Australian
Speaker 1: Location scout for Crocodile Dundee, selected the isolated location because, quote,
Speaker 1: it showcased a part of Australia that I don't think
Speaker 1: had been seen and it was inherent and Paul's nature.
Speaker 1: He seemed to fit into the landscape perfectly because they
Speaker 1: were so far from hotels. However, everyone on the cast
Speaker 1: and crew slept in huts left behind by the Pan
Speaker 1: Continental Mining Company. Despite the dilapidated condition of the camp,
Speaker 1: the cast and crew made the best of it, spending
Speaker 1: their nights around the campfire, singing songs in a summer
Speaker 1: camp like atmosphere.
Speaker 2: Well, the Ranger uranium mine was operational until twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: so they were filming near an active uranium mine.
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine uranium being pulled out of the
Speaker 1: earth being dangerous. I feel like we had to do
Speaker 1: something to it.
Speaker 2: Let me just scroll down to safety breaches and controversy. Okay,
Speaker 2: the Government of Australia has documented over two hundred environmental
Speaker 2: impacts since nineteen seventy nine. Great majority of these were minor,
Speaker 2: but oh, here's one. In May two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: the company was convicted for breaching environmental guidelines, the first
Speaker 2: such prosecution of a mining company in the Northern Territory,
Speaker 2: relating to accidental radiological exposure to employees radioactively contaminated process
Speaker 2: water cools. The Rods Rods had entered into the drinking
Speaker 2: water supply. Sure dozens of mine employees were found to
Speaker 2: have showered in and consumed water containing four hundred times
Speaker 2: the legal limit of uranium. Here's another one. A mechanic
Speaker 2: in Jabiru opened the engine bay. He was unaware of
Speaker 2: the nature of mud and dirt which fell on the floor.
Speaker 2: Court testimony said in the following weeks he had swept
Speaker 2: material outside of his shed where his children played and
Speaker 2: built sand castles in mud contaminated with uranium. Jesus about
Speaker 2: two mega leaders of potentially polluted water came out in
Speaker 2: two thousand and two. Two thousand and seven, water breached
Speaker 2: a retention pond. In May twenty ten, it was reported
Speaker 2: that a dam may have released millions of leaders into
Speaker 2: radioactive water into World Heritage listed wetlands and Kakadu National Park,
Speaker 2: home to about five hundred Aboriginal people. In November twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: four drums previously used to transport yellow cake were found
Speaker 2: in a rural area of Darwin. The company recovered the
Speaker 2: drums amid concerns about the tenship spread of radioactive contamination. Yeah, no, guys.
Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, there was an incident at a mine
Speaker 2: inside Cockerter National Park with about a million liters of
Speaker 2: slurry comprising crushed or and acid believed to have been spilled.
Speaker 1: Sure, but aside from that, Missus Lincoln, I just I
Speaker 1: can't imagine that like pulling uranium out of the earth now,
Speaker 1: I like really want to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 1: Our uranium mine's dangerous. Although the uranium itself is barely radioactive,
Speaker 1: the ore which is mind must be regarded as potentially
Speaker 1: hazardous due to uranium's decay products.
Speaker 2: All right, fine, I biggrudgingly concede this point that I
Speaker 2: made a weird wedge issue of all right, look at
Speaker 2: you go into bat for mining concerns.
Speaker 1: And you're going to bat for cop killers. Yeah, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds right.
Speaker 2: I hope she sees this.
Speaker 1: King Well, it stands to reason that this unforgiving terrain
Speaker 1: was teeming with wildlife that the uranium hadn't killed. Fittingly,
Speaker 1: there were crocodiles all over the set of Crocodile Dundee,
Speaker 1: and an armed guard was hired to protect the production
Speaker 1: from what was referred to euphemistically as crocodile interference. I
Speaker 1: guess it's not really euphemism. I guess it's pretty literal.
Speaker 1: It's still great choice of phrase. As Paul Hogan would
Speaker 1: later say in his own inimitable fashion, we had guys
Speaker 1: up in trees with rifles just in case one crocodile
Speaker 1: came along and ruined everything or enhanced everything. Yeah right.
Speaker 1: There was also a crocodile wrangler on set. This is
Speaker 1: presumably because Paul Hogan had planned on using a real
Speaker 1: crocodile for close ups during the scene where Sue was
Speaker 1: attacked as she was cooling off in the.
Speaker 2: Water, aforementioned eighties speedo scene.
Speaker 1: Ah yes, yes, But ultimately they opted for a forty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollar do animatronic crocodile, which proved so lifelike
Speaker 1: that someone on the set reported the crew to the
Speaker 1: authorities as suspected poachers.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, movie magic.
Speaker 1: The water buffalo used in the scene where crocodile Dundee
Speaker 1: mesmerizes it was in fact real and apparently was a
Speaker 1: real diva. Paul Hogan would say that the scene took
Speaker 1: hours to shoot. If the buffalo doesn't want to do anything,
Speaker 1: it weighs two thousand pounds, and you know it doesn't,
Speaker 1: so you have to hang around the Asian buffalo in
Speaker 1: Australia with the eight feet of horns. That scene took
Speaker 1: all day. It's like he said, I'll just sit here
Speaker 1: and you can't do anything about it. I've also seen
Speaker 1: it sighted in various listicles that the animal was drugged.
Speaker 2: I just want everyone to know that. Jordan title this
Speaker 2: New York Bidets and Nights Thank You, said that the
Speaker 2: New York scenes were slightly easier to film. Some scenes
Speaker 2: were filmed at the Plaza Hotel, but not the ones
Speaker 2: where Dundee is mystified by the bidets. There are no
Speaker 2: bidets at the Plaza, apparently, something the front desk would
Speaker 2: get calls for years asking if they could book the
Speaker 2: Crocodile Dundee room. Sorry, sir, no can do. There are
Speaker 2: no bidets in this establishment. Is that a reference to something?
Speaker 1: No, let's just really assume that's say, it would.
Speaker 2: Be better if you had like a really thick, like honkin'
Speaker 2: like Hell's kitchen accent. No bidezz that's the cigar chumping executive.
Speaker 2: I'm losing my mind. Funnily enough, the movie though, that's
Speaker 2: playing in Crocodile Dundee's hotel suite is the nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: five Sam Peckinpah feature Major Dundee starring Charlton Heston. A
Speaker 2: little nod there. Do you know that a young Melissa
Speaker 2: Joan Hart was originally supposed to appear in the film
Speaker 2: as the little girl who skins her knee in Central
Speaker 2: Park and is miraculously healed by Crocodile. Dundee, I heard
Speaker 2: something about that. Sadly the scene was cut.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They also filmed on location at Vazak's Bar in the
Speaker 2: East Village, which was used with The Godfather too, also
Speaker 2: in the abandoned lower level of the Ninth Avenue subway
Speaker 2: station in Brooklyn for the final scenes of the movie.
Speaker 2: And lastly, the damn knife line. Do it with me, now, Jordan,
Speaker 2: that's not a knife this now you didn't do it with.
Speaker 1: Me, but you started before.
Speaker 2: One, five, six, seven eight.
Speaker 1: That's not a knife. Yes, nif it's not, it's that
Speaker 1: that's a knife.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a line undered by Mick Crocodile when he
Speaker 2: and Dundee. Dundee, what do you call someone whose name
Speaker 2: is crocodile?
Speaker 1: Croc croc. Yeah, it's a crock That Croc's not bad? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right? Is it Ray Kroc, the founder of McDonald's.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's about differently, but sure when he and Sue
Speaker 2: are being held at knife point by does it really
Speaker 2: even matter?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Where are you talking about that? Everyone knows that scene?
Speaker 2: Would we bother describing it? However, Ken Shady Shade, one
Speaker 2: of the film's writers, didn't think the line was funny
Speaker 2: at all, saying it just wasn't funny on paper. He
Speaker 2: was wrong. The knife that was used in the scene,
Speaker 2: unsurprisingly into many, was not a real one, and it
Speaker 2: was made of rubber.
Speaker 1: And aluminum aluminium as they say, Yeah, I got good call.
Speaker 1: After filming was complete, Paul Hogan's manager, John Cornell flew
Speaker 1: to the US to look for a distributor. Per the
Speaker 1: New York Times, Paramount snapped up the US distribution rights
Speaker 1: of Crocodile Dundee after twentieth Century Fox turned down after
Speaker 1: only watching twenty minutes of it. Later, after the first
Speaker 1: and second Crocodile Dundee movies were huge hits, Cornell gloated
Speaker 1: to The New York Times that this Fox executive was
Speaker 1: quote extremely rude. I sometimes get pleasure from thinking about
Speaker 1: what the look is like on his face at a
Speaker 1: time like this at Tracks and their Defense.
Speaker 2: Though an Australian movie wasn't exactly an easy sell in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six because at the time the biggest Australian
Speaker 2: movies were Mad Max and picnict Hanging Rock directed by
Speaker 2: Peter Weir. There's a someb genre of exploitation movies called
Speaker 2: osploitation from that basically you're kidding, no not. There's two
Speaker 2: famous ones, in particular, Donald Pleasance is in one of them.
Speaker 1: But what's the like the underlying is it just like
Speaker 1: shootouts in the outback?
Speaker 2: Kind of?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Nicholas Rogue rog who famously directed Performance Manufeld
Speaker 2: to Earth and Don't Look Now and The Witches. It's
Speaker 2: always so funny that Nicholas Rogue did The Witches the
Speaker 2: Rolled All adaptation. There's a film called walk About Witches
Speaker 2: about two h white school children who are left defend
Speaker 2: for themselves in the Australian outback.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then there's another one from the same year called
Speaker 2: Wake in Fright and that is basically just about like
Speaker 2: one dude hanging out with a bunch of insane like
Speaker 2: Australian rednecks. The tagline for this movie is incredible. Have
Speaker 2: a drink, mate, have a fight, mate, have a taste
Speaker 2: of dust and sweat, mate. There's nothing else out here.
Speaker 2: That's a truly incredible tagline. And they were both they
Speaker 2: were both entered in nineteen seventy one can Film.
Speaker 1: Festival Australian New Wave. Oh my god, what the hell
Speaker 1: is this genre? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And this wake in Freight movie is like it's a
Speaker 2: famous cult movie too because the master negative went missing,
Speaker 2: so you could only I mean, it was a violent film.
Speaker 2: It was like they killed real kangaroos in it, which
Speaker 2: is you know, you don't do that.
Speaker 1: The frown on that. Yeah, this a frown tom.
Speaker 2: But it was just like for years it was just
Speaker 2: like shittily reproduced prints were the only things that were available.
Speaker 2: And the original film and sound parts were rescued in
Speaker 2: two thousand and four, so it was re released in
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. But yeah, usploitation, it's a real thing.
Speaker 2: Oh razorback, of course we must have to. It's a razorback.
Speaker 2: I mean it's about a killer got killer hog. He
Speaker 2: was crazy about Paul Hogan. He turned down ghost Yeah,
Speaker 2: he turned down the Swayze role in Ghosts, and do
Speaker 2: you know anything about the movie that he then made
Speaker 2: with John Cornell.
Speaker 1: Again, it's like a bad Heaven can.
Speaker 2: Wait right, Yeah, it's like an it's an angel exploitation movie.
Speaker 2: He like saves a kid from getting hit by van
Speaker 2: and then like the rest of the film is like,
Speaker 2: oh am I an immortal angel?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Or was I just drunk? Rod Stewart's in it?
Speaker 1: Rod Stewart's in that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, sorry, he no, I'm so sorry. He disguises
Speaker 2: himself as Rod Stewart at one point.
Speaker 1: Also brought Stuart seems Australian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Linda Koslowski's in it too, because they were
Speaker 2: married by that point. That little husband and wife wife project.
Speaker 2: Charlton Heston plays god.
Speaker 1: Oh he just does that a lot. He's getting type cast.
Speaker 2: And it was a critical commercial failure.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: Another set of commercials that Paul Hogan did in the
Speaker 2: late nine is another two thousands Subaru Outback.
Speaker 1: I think I remember those. It's outback that back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you do any for the Outback Steakhouse?
Speaker 2: Not yet? No rules, I mean there's there's time yet.
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, I don't know. He's eighty five. Get him
Speaker 1: on the horn, Paul, Paul it's your cousin, it's your
Speaker 1: there's one element of Australian culture you have not cashed
Speaker 1: in on yet. Me oh, Paul, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really took it to the bank man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, when you're Australian of the Year, you
Speaker 1: can kind of like you just write your own ticket.
Speaker 1: Like imagine if you were voted American of the Year,
Speaker 1: Like there's really nowhere.
Speaker 2: Else to go at that point. Yeah, who would be
Speaker 2: American of the Year currently? Yeah, pass, I abstain it
Speaker 2: was your pick, Brian Wilson.
Speaker 1: American of the Year. American of the Year is.
Speaker 2: Lorraine Warren dead? Yeah, she's dead and in hell.
Speaker 1: Right she's dead and no one killed her, so you
Speaker 1: can't pick that person.
Speaker 2: Roger Corman died too, I know, I know, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I'm going to close the books on this. No good
Speaker 2: Americans left. Oh oh, David Byrne, David Burrn' still alive.
Speaker 2: She might be Scottish though, right, He's another one of
Speaker 2: those dual citizenship weirdos. Just pick one, man, just commit
Speaker 2: to it, or go the place with healthcare and leave
Speaker 2: us alone. It really feels unfair that they get like
Speaker 2: European grade quality of life and then they just get
Speaker 2: to come over here and just like, I don't make
Speaker 2: art with that as like a fallback. Jesse the Body Ventura, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: he turned into a real hippie lately, right June that.
Speaker 2: Jesse the Body Ventura tried to unionize the WWF wrestlers
Speaker 2: back in the nineties and Paul Hogan or Paul Hogan,
Speaker 2: here's a Hogan connection for you. Jesse the Body Ventura
Speaker 2: tried to unionize the WWF at one point, and Hulk
Speaker 2: Hogan added him out to Vince McMahon.
Speaker 1: It sucks, yeah he does. And he killed Gawker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the Iron Chic when he was still alive.
Speaker 2: His Twitter account was like solely all caps, things like
Speaker 2: hul Cogan is a dumb son of a bitch.
Speaker 1: Well back to the movie, which you recall is called
Speaker 1: Crocodile Dundee. After some American test screenings, Paramount made a
Speaker 1: special international cut of Crocodile Dundee. A similar thing was
Speaker 1: done to the German made Never Ending Story, basically to
Speaker 1: make the movie dumber. Seven minutes of Crocodile Dundee was
Speaker 1: cut to quote speed up the pace to the taste
Speaker 1: of the American consumer. As reported by The New York Times,
Speaker 1: most of the cut screen time came from the first
Speaker 1: half of the film, when Mick Crocodile Dundee showed Sue
Speaker 1: Charlton around the outback of Australia.
Speaker 2: Lose the gangage. What is the show? Ad'll Killia, Ad'll Killia?
Speaker 2: That won'll just paralyze you. Over there's a horizon and
Speaker 2: there's a few of those blokes were killed, the descendants.
Speaker 2: They'd been on his land forty thousand years, and then
Speaker 2: we came here. Fancy of Falster's out I could see
Speaker 2: why no one wanted that committed the screen.
Speaker 1: They also dropped scenes that contain too much Australian slang
Speaker 1: because they fear that American audiences wouldn't be able to follow.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and they cut some f bombs to ensure
Speaker 1: a PG rating, which is probably why I was allowed
Speaker 1: to see this. Is probably the last time I saw
Speaker 1: this when I was like PG movie age. Hilariously, Paramount
Speaker 1: added quotation marks around Crocodile on the posters of the
Speaker 1: movie and the title card so that Americans would understand
Speaker 1: that this was a man's nickname and not a movie
Speaker 1: about a crocodile.
Speaker 2: Would be so much better for us about a crocodile,
Speaker 2: like free Willy, but with a crocodile, or like Gentle
Speaker 2: with a crocodile.
Speaker 1: That was in the in the Flipper remake in the nineties,
Speaker 1: right he was with who is the kid in that?
Speaker 1: Was that Elijah Wood? It was was Paul Hugan and
Speaker 1: Elijah Wood. I can't believe I pulled that out. That's cute,
Speaker 1: I know it is.
Speaker 2: I forgot about how far racist Australia was, Like all
Speaker 2: these stories that are about like from like the past
Speaker 2: four years where they like finally got around to changing
Speaker 2: the place of a name. Well, because I remember seeing
Speaker 2: this thing like ten years.
Speaker 1: Ago that was like.
Speaker 2: Places called Murdering Creek, skull Hole, and the Leap, which
Speaker 2: are all references to frontier violence against the Aborigines.
Speaker 1: The Leap, I don't even want to know they.
Speaker 2: Probably they were obviously throwing them off it.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that shit.
Speaker 2: And this is all these all these search results are
Speaker 2: from like the last six seven years. What did you
Speaker 2: say it until then racist place names in Australia.
Speaker 1: I hope you're enjoying this film Crocodile Dundee hit Australian
Speaker 1: cinemas on April twenty fourth, nineteen eighty six, and made
Speaker 1: its American debut that September. Paul Hogan had high hopes,
Speaker 1: telling cinema papers on the eve of the film's release,
Speaker 1: I expected to gross millions of dollars around the world,
Speaker 1: and I'm planning for it to be Australia's first proper movie.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have one yet, not a real
Speaker 1: general public, successful, entertaining movie.
Speaker 2: Do you think he was taking the pass?
Speaker 1: I mean, name one an independent Australian movie, or not
Speaker 1: even independent on Australian movie, are you? It is still
Speaker 1: the biggest domestic hit in Australian movie history.
Speaker 2: Oh this is extra funny that ned Kelly Gang movie
Speaker 2: in nineteen oh six was produced in Australia. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Also fun Mad Max Road Warrior, Yeah okay, Also the
Speaker 2: aforementioned picnicd Hanging Rock, which that wasn't a hit though
Speaker 2: on this that wasn't a blockbuster Mcroucodother than it became
Speaker 2: the second highest grossing film of nineteen eighty six in
Speaker 2: the United States, behind only Top Gun, earning one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy five million dollars in the US, so much
Speaker 2: of which was hidden from the Australian government like.
Speaker 1: It ultimately made thirty seven point three times the production
Speaker 1: budget in world box office numbers of ten million dollars.
Speaker 1: That means that it would have made three hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy three million dollars worldwide. That's crazy. Joe.
Speaker 2: Melbourne had one of the first ever film studios and
Speaker 2: it was operated by the Salvation Army between eighteen ninety
Speaker 2: seven and nineteen ten.
Speaker 1: Why were they making movies?
Speaker 2: Well, whatever the case, mad is, Australia has like a
Speaker 2: rich history of cinema. He was All Hogan nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: five s and I'm I'll hope it'll be the best
Speaker 2: Australian movie I.
Speaker 1: Have, first first hit, first proper movie. Oh he did
Speaker 1: say proper movie. Okay, Well he earned an Oscar nomination.
Speaker 1: Check that Outgan John Cornell and writer Ken Shady were
Speaker 1: nominated for the Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay. They
Speaker 1: lost to Witty Allen for Hannah and Her Sisters.
Speaker 2: The first Australian film that won an Oscar was a
Speaker 2: documentary and it was won in nineteen forty two. Australia's
Speaker 2: first oscar. The fuck is this guy talking about?
Speaker 1: But you know what he means something the rival top Gun. Well.
Speaker 1: Hogan lost an Oscar, but he did win a Golden
Speaker 1: Globe for Best Actor for a Comedy Motion Picture. This
Speaker 1: is just nuts. It just just speaks of what a
Speaker 1: phenomenon he was. Paul Hogan co hosted the Oscars in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven alongside Chevy Chase and Goldie Hawn.
Speaker 2: Did he do it in the vest?
Speaker 1: And hating there were no sleeves? This man is not Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's never worn sleeves. He also did a turn on
Speaker 1: SNL as the host. Okay. The New York Times called
Speaker 1: Crocodile Dundee quote the movie phenomenon of the year, describing
Speaker 1: it as quote a sort of sweet tempered, common sensical.
Speaker 1: Rambo would always say that he was a little disturbed
Speaker 1: that Americans saw his character as a combination of Chuck
Speaker 1: Norris and Sylvester Stallone breaker Morant. Come on, what is that?
Speaker 1: I don't know what Australian film.
Speaker 2: Not to mention Gallipoli. Sorry, I'm not over that.
Speaker 1: Get this. Director. Igmar Bergman owned the copy of Crocodile
Speaker 1: Dundee on VHS.
Speaker 2: Dude, that's up there with uh is it Chairman Mao
Speaker 2: having Bruce Lee Movies privately episode?
Speaker 1: Oh we actually know. I do remember that now. I
Speaker 1: mean it's kind of like Osama bin Laden's film, Like
Speaker 1: what was on his hard drive? I thought it was porn.
Speaker 1: That was like a porn but it was also like, wait,
Speaker 1: there's a TV special bin Laden's hard Drive in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty and it's on Disney Plus. OA. Now I need
Speaker 1: to find this hang on, No, I found I found it.
Speaker 1: They honest hard drive were found cars Chicken Little and
Speaker 1: Ice Age, Don of the Dinosaurs, and an awful lot
Speaker 1: of pornography, yes, and documentaries about himself, including the two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight comedy documentary Aware in the World as
Speaker 1: Osama bin Laden and books on popular conspiracy theories about
Speaker 1: nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah. Americannians were already dimly familiar with Paul
Speaker 2: Hogan due to all of the work he did for
Speaker 2: the Australian Tourism Board, which he apparently did pro bono
Speaker 2: just in the name of Ozsie Pride.
Speaker 1: He's the top Australian, He's the Australian of the Year.
Speaker 2: Seventeen years running. The success of Crocodile Dundee revolutionized tourism
Speaker 2: in Australia, seeing how it was basically one giant advertisement
Speaker 2: for how awesome they are. In twenty sixteen, Peter Hook
Speaker 2: not that one, but the communications manager at Kakadoo Tourism
Speaker 2: told Travel and Leisure in eighty six Australians hadn't even
Speaker 2: been to Kakadu, let alone Americans. Basically, Kakadoo is a
Speaker 2: mining area. Uranium was its biggest mineral. The government actually
Speaker 2: built a road from Darwin to kakado not for tourism
Speaker 2: but for mining. I don't know what that last sentence means.
Speaker 2: The film brought tourists and the area became more accessible
Speaker 2: with the construction of improved roads. In twenty sixteen, Tourism
Speaker 2: chief executive Tony Mail told Perth Now Perth Now the
Speaker 2: film helped put Australia on the map let alone Kackadoo,
Speaker 2: let alone, let alone Kackadoo, adding that Crocodile Dundee and
Speaker 2: the Kakadu National Park still get an average of one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five thousand Google searches monthly. According to
Speaker 2: the Guardian, They even started giving Crocodile Dundee tours in
Speaker 2: the aforementioned Kakadoo National Park where the movie was film
Speaker 2: and in Darwin, where you can have close encounters with
Speaker 2: live crocodiles. Three hours away in Jabiru, you can stay
Speaker 2: in the indingenous owned Mercure Crocodile Hotel, which is shaped
Speaker 2: like a crocodile, before exploring the wilderness of the aforementioned
Speaker 2: Kakadoo through guided tours, scenic flights or arts and crafts
Speaker 2: lessons with indigenous Aborigine tribes who have lived in the
Speaker 2: Northern Territory for as previously mentioned, forty thousand years.
Speaker 1: You should do the next part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny film. Funny film, a great
Speaker 2: line about the knife.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Paul Hogan Q guy hansoms and nice muscles. Much of
Speaker 2: this has not aged well, as you know, you might
Speaker 2: surmise from the low hanging fruit of his comedy show
Speaker 2: that launched him to stardom. There's an article in a
Speaker 2: Guardian by writer named Luke Buckmaster from twenty eighteen that
Speaker 2: just shows the astonishing breadth of the offense quite offensive
Speaker 2: things that happened in the film. They'd be for starters
Speaker 2: sue the journalist she is not actually a journalist, but
Speaker 2: working for her boyfriend for her father's paper. A lot.
Speaker 2: That's a rich text, we'll move on. There are comparisons
Speaker 2: made between the indigenous Aboriginal tribes arguing for land rights
Speaker 2: in Australia to Flees arguing over who owns the dog
Speaker 2: they live on, and of course Mick asking sue Charlton's chauffeur,
Speaker 2: who is played by Reginald vel Johnson aka Carl Winslow
Speaker 2: from Family Matters and the cool cop from Die Hard
Speaker 2: what tribe he's from? The article like cause that's the
Speaker 2: thing about Like, I mean, come on, man, well actually
Speaker 2: maybe not. Maybe he'd never seen a black person. That
Speaker 2: part I buy. There's also a yeah, there's a trends.
Speaker 2: There's a moment of outright transphobia. You know, there's a
Speaker 2: trans woman that Paul Hogan is talking to before a
Speaker 2: friend pulls him aside and says, I've been trying to
Speaker 2: tell you all night that girl she's a guy. And
Speaker 2: Dundee grabs the woman in the crotch and points and
Speaker 2: yells a guy dressed up like a shila, how about that?
Speaker 1: Or look at that?
Speaker 2: And the pub explodes into rapturous laughter and applause.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He also he grabs another woman in the art gallery
Speaker 2: and Sue says, it's okay. He's Australian, of course. Paul
Speaker 2: Hogan has some enlightened thoughts about this. While discussing Cancel
Speaker 2: culture with the project, he's quoted as saying it's sometimes
Speaker 2: understandable and in some cases stupid. In the case of
Speaker 2: me and the shows I did, it was never designed
Speaker 2: to hurt anyone. I just love starting a sentence with.
Speaker 2: In the case of me, I'm taking that per The
Speaker 2: Daily Mail, Hogan told The Australian, I don't think I
Speaker 2: ever did anything with any sort of malice. Okay, man,
Speaker 2: the success we forgot We've got to mention one. Sorry,
Speaker 2: there's in the sequel. He's trying to talk a suicidal
Speaker 2: man down from a leg edge and so he stops
Speaker 2: this guy from killing himself and then hugs him, and
Speaker 2: the guy says like something like, well, now I can
Speaker 2: go back to Steve say he's a gay guy and
Speaker 2: uh then dundee, let's go in disgust.
Speaker 1: And does the guy fall off the bridge after that?
Speaker 1: I don't believe so oh.
Speaker 2: Oh greatest Living American of the Year character actor Dan Hidaiya.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, what were you still alive?
Speaker 1: I would have accepted Leslie Nielsen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, goodness.
Speaker 1: Is he Canadian? He seems like he would be Canadian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so well, look he's Canadian.
Speaker 2: I have a sincere vote, and it's Willy Nelson. I
Speaker 2: have a sincere vote. Sure, and it's Willy Nelson.
Speaker 1: Okay. The success of Crocodile Dundee proved to be the
Speaker 1: predictable blessing and a curse for Paul Hogan. In twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, he told Mark Meets because of the ridiculous
Speaker 1: success of Dundee, which is still the most successful and
Speaker 1: defended film ever made, it's sort of like, oh, whatever
Speaker 1: I do next will flop by comparison, so I bother
Speaker 1: so I mentally sort of retired after the first one.
Speaker 1: And although Paul Hogan and Lynn Koloski started the nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight follow up, Crocodile Dundee two, it was not
Speaker 1: well received by critics and failed to out earn the original,
Speaker 1: Although it's still made the top five of the box
Speaker 1: office in nineteen eighty eight, It has a nine percent
Speaker 1: on Rotten Tomatoes, but Ronald Reagan watched it at Camp
Speaker 1: David and apparently liked it.
Speaker 2: This was during the Middle East Accords.
Speaker 1: So Scott that going for it. At one time in
Speaker 1: the early nineties, Paramount was considering a crossover sequel with
Speaker 1: one of its other Big Eighties franchises, which would have
Speaker 1: birthed Crocodile Dundee meets Beverly Hills Cop. That is so funny.
Speaker 2: I assumed they would have come up with a better title,
Speaker 2: but I also assumed that they wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, and it would have been the Avon Costello rule.
Speaker 2: Just being so funny that Axel is not referred to
Speaker 2: as anything other than Beverly Hills Cup, like the Hunchback
Speaker 2: of Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, Murphy vetoed the idea, but then he went on
Speaker 1: to make Pluto Nash. As you mentioned earlier, Paul Hogan
Speaker 1: was offered the lead role in Ghost, which eventually went
Speaker 1: to Patrick Swayzee, and he turned this movie down to
Speaker 1: star in Almost an Angel, the third installment of the
Speaker 1: Crocodile Dundee franchise. Two thousand and one's Crocodile Dundee in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is so bad that we just assumed not
Speaker 1: mention it. He was nominated for a Razzie Award for
Speaker 1: Worst Remake or Sequel, but lost out to Tim Burton's
Speaker 1: Planet of the Apes.
Speaker 2: Good he did get a marriage out of it, though.
Speaker 2: There was a love connection made between Paul Hogan and
Speaker 2: his co star Linda Koslowski, which is hilarious because Roger
Speaker 2: the God Ebert specifically commented on the lack of romantic
Speaker 2: chemistry between the two leads. Their union caused a bit
Speaker 2: of a typically Australian scandal, since Paul was already married
Speaker 2: to a woman named Noline Edwards, whom he met as
Speaker 2: a teenager at the pool where he was a lifeguard
Speaker 2: way back in nineteen fifty eight. He would later say,
Speaker 2: I had three sons by the time I was twenty two,
Speaker 2: so I had to grow up very fast. As reported
Speaker 2: by e T Canada, the famed bigamist and Edwards separated
Speaker 2: briefly in nineteen eighty one, but married again less than
Speaker 2: a year later. They would part for good following the
Speaker 2: film of Crocodile Dundee. It was but one of the
Speaker 2: downsides of Hogan's experience. It became a very public divorce,
Speaker 2: with the media depicting Hogan rightfully so, as abandoning his family.
Speaker 2: But Hogan wed Koslowski in a private ceremony in Australia
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety at a mansion that he built as
Speaker 2: a wedding gift for his bride.
Speaker 1: That's cute.
Speaker 2: There were no rooms for his other three sons.
Speaker 1: Has there ever been a you know those marriages like
Speaker 1: Lizen Dick where they divorce and then they marry again.
Speaker 1: Has the second marriage to the same person ever stuck?
Speaker 1: I can't think of one. I don't care.
Speaker 2: The pair had a son named Chase, and they settled
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, where they raised him together. Sadly, they
Speaker 2: split up in twenty thirteen, with Koslowski telling the Sydney
Speaker 2: Morning Herald, Honestly, we just naturally grew apart. They would
Speaker 2: frequently say in interviews how little they had in common,
Speaker 2: but previously spuned his opposites attracting. She said, I lived
Speaker 2: in Paul's shadow for many, many years, and it's nice
Speaker 2: to feel my own light right now. The divorce was
Speaker 2: very amicable, with Hogan himself saying it was twenty wonder
Speaker 2: four years two or three that were sort of like
Speaker 2: worn out. I'm very flighty. A woman lasts for about
Speaker 2: a quarter of a century and then they get bored
Speaker 2: with me. That's medium funny. He refused to characterize the
Speaker 2: nineteen year old marriage's a failure, saying how can you
Speaker 2: fail after a quarter of a century? Failed marriages are
Speaker 2: when two people stay together even though they have long
Speaker 2: ago lost interest. Kozlowski received a one off payment of
Speaker 2: six point twenty five million dollars and the right to
Speaker 2: remain living in their Venice Beach home for four years
Speaker 2: or until she remarried, which ever happened first. While Hogan,
Speaker 2: bless his heart, kept his eye on the prize, he
Speaker 2: retained his rights to Crocodile Dundee, the character, and the
Speaker 2: film company that produced the classic films.
Speaker 1: Australian actist Rebert Wilson said in recent years that she
Speaker 1: approached Paul Hogan to make a Crocodile Dundee reboot with
Speaker 1: her starring in the lead role. Obviously it would have
Speaker 1: Paul Hogan in it in some way, she said, but
Speaker 1: he didn't want a female to play Crocodile Dundee. I
Speaker 1: think it's a travesty, as I think out of anyone
Speaker 1: in Australia. I'm the one most suited to do it.
Speaker 2: There's like, we're misreading all of these quots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's yeah as Americans, and I think yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain that there's some degree of sarcasm there,
Speaker 1: although she clearly did really want to do it. In
Speaker 1: January twenty eighteen, fans of Crocodile Dundee were excited to
Speaker 1: see teasers that seemed to hint at a new sequel.
Speaker 1: This was followed by an expensive and extensive ad at
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl featuring Danny McBride, Chris Hemsworth and Paul
Speaker 1: Hogan himself. The trailer light clip fooled many into believing
Speaker 1: that there was something bigger in the works, but instead
Speaker 1: it was merely a twenty seven million dollar ad campaign
Speaker 1: designed to revitalize Australian tourism. Australia's Minister for Trade, Tourism
Speaker 1: and Investment, the Honorable Steven Siabo, told Tourism Australia this
Speaker 1: is the single largest investment Tourism Australia has ever made
Speaker 1: in the US market. The ad campaign had another result,
Speaker 1: pissing off Crocodile Dundee super fans. According to Slate. Many
Speaker 1: people wish the reboot was real, with some fans even
Speaker 1: banding together to sign a petition. The Daily Mail reported
Speaker 1: that Paul Hogan had no plans to make another Crocodile
Speaker 1: Dundee movie. He told The Today Show It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But you know, for all we've said about Australia over
Speaker 1: the course of this episode, I find a certain degree
Speaker 1: of sweetness in Mick Crocodile Dundee. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, the ways in which you can point out
Speaker 2: the negativities are so cartoonish. But I also think this
Speaker 2: movie is very funny. Paul Hogan is an incredibly charming man.
Speaker 2: He might be not good at sketch comedy, but he's
Speaker 2: very charming. Readily, uh things I do for nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: never mind. And like I said again, man, every Australian
Speaker 2: I've ever met has just been a delight, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes a delight that would result in astounding hangovers for me,
Speaker 2: but a delight nonetheless. So please don't take my taking
Speaker 2: the piss of them for off them, taking the piss
Speaker 2: of them, taking the piss from them, from them, I'll
Speaker 2: go from them, taking the piss to them, within them
Speaker 2: of where.
Speaker 1: Is the piss and where can it be removed? How
Speaker 1: do you remove the piss? How do you take the
Speaker 1: piss off? Someone?
Speaker 2: Catheter very quietly cath Yeah, Australia is great, you know,
Speaker 2: just like two of my favorite bands of all time
Speaker 2: and history of Lovely, lovely.
Speaker 1: Charming people and great Barrier Reef fun movie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they got great reefs. Oh Royal Headache. I
Speaker 2: forgot about Royal Headache. They're probably one of my favorite
Speaker 2: bands of the past ten years. Incredible punk band who
Speaker 2: I believe just broke up because they were Australian and
Speaker 2: the lead singer was like a moss. But I forgot
Speaker 2: about Royal Headache.
Speaker 1: Great band. Uh you got a kicker? I write a kicker. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I'd like to leave you with this quote from
Speaker 1: Paul Hogan. He talked about how kind of disturbed he
Speaker 1: was that people in the US saw his character as
Speaker 1: they cross between Chuck Norris and Rambo, but for him
Speaker 1: this really wasn't the heart of his creation. He said,
Speaker 1: when Crocodile Dundee was due to be released, the movie
Speaker 1: scene is screaming out for a movie hero who doesn't
Speaker 1: kill seventy five people less of those commandos, terminators, ex
Speaker 1: terminators and squashers. Makes a good role model. There's no
Speaker 1: malice in the fellow and he's human. He's not a
Speaker 1: whimp or a sissy just because he doesn't kill people.
Speaker 1: And you know, from an Australian, that's as much as
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a kidding.
Speaker 2: I mean, I also think it's funny where he's like,
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, Americans just thought of me as a
Speaker 2: cross between you know, Robert Redford and Bruce Lee and
Speaker 2: Sylvester Saloone, Arn't Schwarzenegger, Ronald Reagan, Marilyn Monroe, James Dean,
Speaker 2: Marlon Brando, Ned Kelly, Ned Kelly, three of the four
Speaker 2: guys on Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1: At least two of the Beatles.
Speaker 2: The's two of the Beatles. Sure, yeah, yeah, Elvis Presley's
Speaker 2: bass player, Jerry Lee Lewis's bass player that he shot
Speaker 2: in the chest. But I didn't think of myself that way.
Speaker 2: Australians hit me up.
Speaker 1: You're hilarious.
Speaker 2: I love you. I'll get drunk with you anytime this week.
Speaker 2: I'm Alex Hegel.
Speaker 1: And I'm Jordan run Tag. We'll catch you next time.
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