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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of Too Much Information, the

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Speaker 1: show that brings you the secret histories and little known

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Speaker 1: facts behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows, and more.

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Speaker 1: We are your kings of kriche, your bushmen of banality,

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Speaker 1: your vegemite sandwiches of very granular facts.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jordan run Tog and I'm the ghost

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Speaker 2: of rod Ansel.

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Speaker 1: They don't know what that means yet.

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Speaker 2: And you don't get that they will.

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Speaker 1: Your kids are gonna love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you're not. I guess you're not ready

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Speaker 2: for rod Ansel, but your kids are gonna love him.

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Speaker 1: Today, we are looking at Crocodile Dundee, a surprise hit

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Speaker 1: from down Under when it arrived on American shores in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six. It since become a cultural phenomenon, with

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Speaker 1: writer performer Paul Hogan's character, Michael J. Crocodile Dundee becoming

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Speaker 1: a sort of one man ambassador of a local charm

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Speaker 1: and natural beauty of Australia or one man's stereotype, depending

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Speaker 1: on how you view it. The trilogy made Hogan a

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Speaker 1: star around the world and a legend in his native Australia,

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Speaker 1: where he's known by the affectionate metonym Hogues. I think

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Speaker 1: that's how you pronounced it, Hogues as in short for Hogan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the way you spelled it, I thought it might

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Speaker 2: have been Hog's.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Hogues.

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Speaker 1: Side note, he's almost eighty five, Like in my mind,

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Speaker 1: he's perpetually sleeveless and tan and muscular. He's like he's

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Speaker 1: getting up there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, only God can kill in Australian man. Oh,

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Speaker 2: and like autoerotic asphyxiation.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, well.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that too, in excess catching a.

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Speaker 1: Straw in the it's in Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's starting to catch up with him. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: look great ay five and yeah, I mean and like

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Speaker 2: the sun. Face a good face care routine is so

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Speaker 2: important people. You know, I was really taken them back

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Speaker 2: by a tweet that went around recently, which is I'm

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Speaker 2: paraphrasing some of the effective Americans are always so shocked

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Speaker 1: I didn't see that, and I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was taken am back, not because of I mean, yes,

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Speaker 2: I was shocked, but I was also taken him back

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Speaker 1: Am I talking to my ass here? Do you feel that?

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Speaker 1: I have never really thought about that much?

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Speaker 2: We're both descended from the same awful British stock.

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Speaker 1: Well, only one of us are prisoners because it wasn't

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Speaker 2: But we are also alike in the way that we've

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Speaker 2: and we're both rowdy and boisterous. I generally love every

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Speaker 1: Oh I saw Cold Chisel live. Yeah, okay, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: It's also funny that like a third of Paul Hogan's

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Speaker 2: wiki is about his alleged tax evasion. Oh yeah, no

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Speaker 2: it seems like he won like against the government, you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, for those of you who haven't seen Crocodile Dundee

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Speaker 1: in a while, the story begins when New York reporter

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Speaker 1: Crocodile Dundee, a mysterious hunter who's rumored to have survived

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Speaker 1: all of our heart, in all of our hearts. However,

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Speaker 1: when this reporter meets Crocodile Dundee, she discovers that the

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Speaker 1: as he calls it. But his story is remarkable nonetheless. Apparently,

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Speaker 1: he'd never been to a city, equipping cities are crowded, right,

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Speaker 2: Right, wasn't the at me country, Get at me country,

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Speaker 1: Wasn't he succulent Chinese male guy Australian? Or was in

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Speaker 2: He did not have an Australian accent. No, he had

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Speaker 1: Well. For years, Paul Hogan claimed that his fish out

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Speaker 2: Oh that's normal, that's what the Mongols did.

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Speaker 2: They're good eats too, I don't mind, really mind crocodile?

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Speaker 1: Hell? Yeah, brother, that's a NASCAR baby. Rod roamed for

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Speaker 2: He can't poach crocodiles. They're reptiles. They just like grow

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Speaker 2: not like a white tailed deer. Yeah, I guess if

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Speaker 2: let me.

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Speaker 1: See if I try try it out here, I'll highlight

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Speaker 2: All the blokes up in this country you work with,

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Speaker 2: Then he says, it's like going out to shoot a kangaroo.

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Speaker 2: You don't come back and say you missed by half

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Speaker 1: Very good, very good. Rod Ansell was interviewed by the

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Speaker 1: They'll be very familiar with him. And Ansel attended this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you can get away with a

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Speaker 1: Sure, I buy that a ruthlessly practical people.

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Speaker 2: And then in court he said, I don't give I

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Speaker 2: Give it to James Brown? Sure, it's the hardest working

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Speaker 2: you really would.

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Speaker 1: Have be funny.

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Speaker 2: It was Brian Wilson that would have shut him down

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Speaker 2: for forever. God, we could we could have been spared

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Speaker 1: and he blamed it. He blamed it on his quote

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Speaker 1: tainted Wilson blood because he's Brian Wilson's cousin. That's a

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Speaker 1: good band name. I might have to use that tainted

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Speaker 1: Bullson Blood. Yeah, that's your new EP.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So it would be logical to assume that this

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Speaker 2: because this made rad Ansel extremely bitter, and he's somewhat

435
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: understandably felt entitled to some royalties or at least recognition,

436
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: which would never be forthcoming. And after the global success

437
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: of the film, Ansel would eventually take Hogan to court

438
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: in an attempt to get a piece of the sweet

439
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: sweet Dundee cash. So the case was rejected, and then

440
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: things went from bad.

441
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: To worse for old Ronnie.

442
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: Fame took its predictable toll on his h I'm going

443
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: to do the behind the music the music bed shifts

444
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: into a minor chord. Fame took its predictable toll on

445
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 2: Ansell's personal life and his marriage soon imploded. By nineteen

446
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 2: ninety two, he was convicted of stealing cattle and assaulting

447
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: the owner of a ranch. He moved onto a parcel

448
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: of land owned by his new girlfriend, a former tour guide,

449
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: where he started growing his own marijuana and injecting speed

450
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: with what one outlet describes as a vengeance, leading to

451
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: increasingly regular incidents of drug induced psychosis. That's not fair

452
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: to drugs, could just be regular psychosis. He became increasingly paranoid,

453
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: blaming his problems on a government program culling wild buffalo

454
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 2: to decrease tuberculosis in the cattle industry. Now Ansel had

455
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 2: been hunting wild buffalo for part of his living ever

456
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: since he was a teen, and he began to believe

457
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: that the police and the government were conspiring against him.

458
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: His new girlfriend didn't do much to help. She told

459
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: him that her family had been members of a secret

460
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: medieval fraternity, and that as a child, she had witnessed

461
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: the sacrifice of young girls that were quote brought out

462
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: of the woods to be bound, raped and slaughtered. It's

463
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 2: actually pretty plausible, really, if you read some of the

464
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: weird shit I do.

465
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you elaborate? You know?

466
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 2: This is that whole David McGowan thing about serial killers

467
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: and the elaborate web of international one percent pedophilia that

468
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: sprung from it or because of it. I lost the

469
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: plot a little on that one, but clearly well both

470
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: of these people were on edge as it were, as

471
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: it were in the parlance of the times. It got

472
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: worse when they saw or claimed to see three bow

473
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: hunters dressed in camouflage with night vision goggles near their

474
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 2: bush camp. This and the meth didn't help. I mean,

475
00:24:59,200 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 2: if you saw.

476
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: Three camouflaged bow hunters outside your campground, I would.

477
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: Assume they were hunting. Sure, the man was a poacher

478
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 2: and hunter his whole life, and he just sees other

479
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: people with better outfits and flips out. But it was

480
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: definitely the mat.

481
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: I see people with better outfits and I flip out. Two.

482
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: This all ended in tragedy. That's not a great segue

483
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: in August nineteen ninety nine, when rod Ansell died in

484
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: a drug fueled shootout that left one police officer dead

485
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: and other civilians badly wounded.

486
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, it dude's rock that's NASCAR baby.

487
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: In the days leading up to his death, neighbors heard

488
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: him ranting that the Freemasons were conspiring to kidnap his

489
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: two adult sons. Plausible, okay. Ansel wounded two men in

490
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: a shooting spree on the night of August second night,

491
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: ninety nine before disappearing into the bush. The incident is

492
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: described in riveting detail on a twenty fourteen Herald's Sun

493
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: article by Ellie Turner. Ansel fired six shots at a

494
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: caravan or RV on Kentish Road. Resident David Hobden jumped

495
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: into his truck, armed with his double barrel shoddy and

496
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: went to investigate the shootings. He lost an eye when

497
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: Ansel put a bullet through the windscreen of his truck.

498
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: That's sat. Hobden ran to alert his neighbor, Brian Williams,

499
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: who quote.

500
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 2: No, not that, Brian Williams.

501
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: Who quote waxed wrath at the state of his mate's

502
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: face and grabbed a baseball bat.

503
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: Some of these people's idioms are baffling to me. I understand, like,

504
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: you can wax poetic? How do you wax a noun?

505
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: Are we waxing podcast right now? I mean, I guess, yeah,

506
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: that makes sense?

507
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, context clues. Okay, sure, he charged at

508
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: Ansel with his baseball bat who was trying to steal

509
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: the injured man's truck. I smacked him straight down the

510
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: forehead and that's when he blew my hand off. Mister

511
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: Williams told police he was going on about stealing his

512
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: children and freemasons and being a baby killer. Oh just

513
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: he was mad. Mate. Ansel fired shots at Williams's house

514
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: and then he ran away, his rifle in one hand

515
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: and mister Hobden's shotgun in the other. After he disappeared

516
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: into the brush, the police set up a roadblock. The

517
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: next day. A man was leaning on a cop car,

518
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: it said roadblock quote, chatting to the officers when a

519
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: bullet blew a hole the size of a baseball in

520
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: his pelvis. He was flung forward, screaming on the ground.

521
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: The shots were coming from light scrub behind the roadside.

522
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: The cunning fugitive had sneaked through the bush and was

523
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: hidden by dappled tree shadows. A veteran policeman named Sergeant

524
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: Glen Anthony Houston was struck in the abdomen by a

525
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: bullet that ricocheted off the metal door of his police cruiser,

526
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: and his bulletproof vest hadn't been fastened properly, and it

527
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: struck him on a velcro strap that should have been

528
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: covered by a kevlar flap but was not. One of

529
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: the odds, it's tiny, like one inch square skill issue.

530
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: And question when you say he disappeared into the brush,

531
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: that means you're talking about like scrub, like roadside scrub.

532
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: How is that different from the bush as it's the

533
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: capital t capital bach.

534
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: It could be one and the same.

535
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: There's no way of knowing.

536
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: I think it's like on the highway through these areas,

537
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the highway's the only thing and

538
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: so on either side you've got Yeah, so I think

539
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: that was what it was. I think so I think

540
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: it's it's one and the same. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, Yeah.

541
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: The policeman died later that day, another police the rookie

542
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: of the interrupting this life or death story with pedantry

543
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: as is our thing? Is it's kind of our that's

544
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: kind of the bit.

545
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: I mean, if it happened in Australia, is it really

546
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: even true? Did it happen? Like if you die in Australia,

547
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: do you die in real life or do you wake

548
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: up just in England's.

549
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Ah, this is all very sad. Please love our one

550
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: star reviews.

551
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: You know what I would accept that. I would accept

552
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: of like rod Ansels, one of his adult sons who

553
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: escaped kidnapping by the Freemasons, like gave us a one

554
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: star review, I would wear that as a badge of honor.

555
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about your insane father. I love him so much.

556
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: Another policeman, the rookie of the pair, who was not

557
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: wearing a bulletproof vest, he returned Ansels fire. He would

558
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: later say, the only verbal communication I had with the

559
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: gunman was when I was reloading the shotgun for the

560
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: first time. I called out to him to put his

561
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: weapons down. He called back, You're all dead. Hell yah,

562
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: making this scene even more like a Michael Bay movie.

563
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: This is when troop carriers quote came hurtling down the highway.

564
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: The first driver hit the brakes and swerved as he

565
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: heard the gunfire. The four wheel drive rolled when the

566
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: second car crashed into it, Unable to stop in time.

567
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: Ansel got up on one knee and began lining up

568
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: the cops who were crawling out of the vehicle. But

569
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: this rookie cop, Constable J. D. O'Brien, got a clear shot.

570
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: The autopsy showed thirty three bullet wounds and grazes to

571
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: Ansell's body, Two were fatal, one shot ripped through his

572
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: order he fell face down in the dirt. The real

573
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: mystery is the fact that rod Ansel had apparently escaped

574
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: the roadblocks by clinging to the back of a train

575
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: so metal, which would have essentially allowed him to live

576
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: forever in the bush, but instead he came back to

577
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: fight the cops. But then again, you gotta have goals.

578
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: Then again, this mystery is likely solved by the autopsy,

579
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: which showed that he was very high on meth amphetamine.

580
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: Rod Ansel was given a full aboriginal burial in Arnheim, Land.

581
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: Citation needed.

582
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: A strange sad end to the man who is most

583
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: likely the real crocodile dum dee. I love him. What

584
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: do you think about that? You know?

585
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: I love him? I mean, you know we have that here,

586
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: we have like meth guys doing the same thing.

587
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: But like there's an element of like ruby ridge in

588
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: there too with this though.

589
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean.

590
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm sort of surprised you hadn't heard of him. This

591
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: seems like something that's very much in your wheelhouse.

592
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean I I, well, the next guy

593
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: will talk about I had well, not Paul Hogan, but

594
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: the next Australian guy. I don't know, there's such a

595
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: self direction to that life story, right Like, this guy

596
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: was just like, you're not going to give me money

597
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: from you steal my entire personality. You get no money

598
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: from that. I reject all of this, you know, and

599
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: then goes down to blaze of glory, right like, there's

600
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: a reason that we like we still watch you know,

601
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: butch Cassidy, Yeah, I was going to say, uh, as

602
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: a reason we still watch Bonnie and Clyde, you know.

603
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: I mean that's the other thing about Americans and Australians,

604
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: you know, we have this rich like anti anti hero

605
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly that, you know, and uh.

606
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: Because we are rebel nations sort of, but you know,

607
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: don't do math. Yeah yeah, that didn't That didn't help. No,

608
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised that Paul Hogan dared to this.

609
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: This rod Ansel guy seems like somebody you wouldn't want

610
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: to piss off. I'm kind of amazed that he was

611
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: he was this. He didn't just settle with them in court,

612
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: you know.

613
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm largely blowing this out of my ass.

614
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: But I feel like there's like a similar British like

615
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: the like the class system in Australia is similar to

616
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: like the way it is in Britain where it's just

617
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: like if you like the people in like Sydney and

618
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 2: the cosmopolitan type like look down on these guys as

619
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: as you know, like hillbillies.

620
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: Essentially.

621
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of racial stuff tied into that,

622
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: because that was how the Aborigines were living and they

623
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, they lived in that area for forty thousand

624
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: years a quote.

625
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that insane?

626
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they threw him into a bunch of

627
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: schools and abused him and did bad shit and love

628
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: white people.

629
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: Two hundred years ago we showed up and yeah, at.

630
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: Least it wasn't for something stupid like spices. Yeah, I

631
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: got idiot columbus opium, Yeah, opium, And they're just well,

632
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: have you ever done opium?

633
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right

634
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: back with more too much information in just a moment. Wow.

635
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: So Paul Hogan claims that this man was not the

636
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: origin of Mick Crocodile Dundee, but Hogan's own origin story

637
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: is comparable in some way, Segue. Famously, Hogan had many

638
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: jobs over the years, supposedly as many as twenty five,

639
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: including boxer, chauffeur and a rigger on the Sydney Harbor Bridge,

640
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: which sharp eyed viewers will note is the first image

641
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: you see in the opening shot of Crocodile Dundee while

642
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 2: Sue Charleton played by Linda Coleslawski, talks to her editor

643
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: slash boyfriend on the phone at the beginning of the film.

644
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: Contrary to popular rumor and the lore around Paul is

645
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: strong in Australia, he was not a painter on the bridge.

646
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: He's been asked about this very many times, and is

647
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: quoted to saying, look, if I had been a painter

648
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 2: and you'd turn up every day and said, what color

649
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: are we going to do today? Boys, ah, battleship Gray,

650
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: I'd have jumped off, jump out of jumped up. Now

651
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: it leans to New Zealand. It was all working on

652
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: this bridge in nineteen seventy one that the naturally charismatic

653
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: and humorous Hogan, then in his early thirties, decided to

654
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: try for an amateur talent TV show called New Faces,

655
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: which is basically a kind of like American Idol type

656
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: show in Australia. Hogan was apparently dared to do this

657
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: by his coworkers on the Bridge after observing the whole

658
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: shtick of the show was that judges mocked the performers,

659
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: and Hogan felt like the judges deserved similar treating, so

660
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: he got himself booked on the show by claiming to

661
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: be a tap dancing knife thrower, and then he proceeded

662
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: to make fun of the judges before, according to Wikipedia,

663
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: performing a rudimentary shuffle and throwing the knives onto the floor.

664
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: So I'd be like if somebody went on American Idol

665
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: and just mocked Simon Cowell. Yeah, I mean like four Yeah,

666
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: it's so cool.

667
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: Good for him. Also, like taking the piss with Australians

668
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 2: is just like the like the nat Lingua fraka.

669
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: You know.

670
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: This all went down so well, and he was invited

671
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: back for repeated performances for such highbrow bits as making

672
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: a series of jokes before banging two shovels together a

673
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: few times. It was really easy to make it back then.

674
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: You had the build. It really killed in the room.

675
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: Hogan was soon booked as a regular guest on a

676
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: news magazine program called A Current Affair, where He's so

677
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: impressed producer John Cornell with his comedic hot takes that

678
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: Cornell decided to bring him back as a regular guest commentator.

679
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: It was so easy back then.

680
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: The pair grew close, and John Cornell would become Hogan's

681
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: manager and business partner. Cornell was a brilliant marketer. He'd

682
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: to build up Hogan's image without overexposing him. He signed

683
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: him up to promote two products that would reinforce his

684
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: rough hewn, working class image, cigarettes and beer. The beer

685
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: ads for Foster, of course, obviously, although I think Victoria

686
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: Bitters is like the actual babes got my Winnie Blues,

687
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: I'm a vbays Ah, It's got me holding. The ads

688
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: became fairly renowned for their Fish out of Water humor,

689
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: in which Hogan played an earthy Australian a broad and

690
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 2: cosmopolitan London. The character's most notable line, spoken incredulously a

691
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: ballet performance, was Struth has a bloke down there with

692
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: no strides on.

693
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: I need to google what struth means.

694
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: It dogged Hogan for years. In another advertisement from the

695
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: same Foster series, Hogan's characters approached in London Tube station

696
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: by a Japanese tourists who asked, do you know the

697
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: way to cock Fosters, which is an admittedly hilariously named

698
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: area in North London, to which Hogan replies with a

699
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: puzzled look on his face, drink it warm, mate.

700
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: Is cocking a beer? It means like, because you're a

701
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: cocking drink and sucks.

702
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: You can put it in your mouth like you would

703
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: with a dick.

704
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: Uh uh tuckle bell Bell.

705
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: Paul Hogan John Crnell formed their own production company JP Productions,

706
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: John and Paul. There are layers, not like there were

707
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: any you know, any other John Paul's that would have

708
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: been out there around the time, and in nineteen seventy

709
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: three they created a weekly TV sketching variety show called

710
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 2: The Paul Hogan Show.

711
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: It sucks. It's any hill, but but worse.

712
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: It is wildly I mean his first of all not

713
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: aged well as an understatement, but it is like some

714
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 2: of the dumbest humor imaginable. I was clicking through a

715
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: compilation of it and there was like, there's one where

716
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: the whole bit is just that it looks like a

717
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: tough looking punk band with chains and stuff and mugging

718
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: the camera and then they just start singing like a

719
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 2: quasi effeminate new wave And that's the whole, that's the bit.

720
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: But some of the characters, to give you an ex

721
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: to give you a maybe I'm not judging it. Maybe

722
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: I'm too close to this, you know, And so let's

723
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: let's pick it.

724
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: Let's put the.

725
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: Pantheon of Paul Hogan.

726
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: How deep does it go? How deep does this go?

727
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: I'd like to spotlight some of the characters that Paul

728
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: invented on his namesake, his eponymous show. Leo Wanker, an

729
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: inept daredevil stuntman, George Fungus, a parody of real life

730
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: television journalist George Nigus of the Australian sixty minutes. Super

731
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: Dag an aker super hero complete with terry toweling hat

732
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: and zinc creamed nose. His powers included the ability to

733
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: use his Eskie in innovative ways. Should I explain any

734
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: of those terms, Oh, if you're so moved, I mean

735
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: I google to come him. Eski is just slang for

736
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: a portable cooler that I didn't know because an Eskimo brand.

737
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 2: But oker is like literally according to the Australian National

738
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: University is an uncouth, uncultivated or aggressively borish Australian male,

739
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: stereotypically Australian in speech and manner, a typical or average

740
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: Australian male terry toweling hat.

741
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to touch that one.

742
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: Pierce Pierce the Whino, an old drunken Darrow who start

743
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: a Darrow Darrow who starred in a series of silent

744
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: Benny Hill style Shenanigans. Dong Er, Uh, there were there

745
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: were few variations on Donger. He has a big butt, Sorry,

746
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: he has a big beer gut, that's the bit. There

747
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: was Sergeant Donger, the tough cop with a bionic beer gut,

748
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: and Arthur Donger, a character of the suburban beer drunk

749
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: Australian male. Next we had Nigel Loveless, a skateboarding eleven

750
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: year old almost twelve, which I guess is a bit

751
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: in the show. Yeah, yes, the afore mentioned Arthur Donger.

752
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: And lastly Luigi, a magician with a thick Italian accent

753
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: who spectacularly fails at attempted magic tricks. Occasionally, Luigi would

754
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: have an assistant called Maria and When the tricks failed,

755
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: Luigi would shount dancer Maria to distract attention. So I

756
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: have to assume it was better live in the room.

757
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: In the room, I mean, yeah.

758
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: When you look at old like Fry and Laurie, some

759
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: of that has not aged super well.

760
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: But this is a.

761
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: Dog shit yeah yeah yeah. The show would generally end

762
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: with Hogan and his bridge painter get up trying to

763
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 2: flip cigarettes into his mouth. So just Pinnacle of Entertainment,

764
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: a McLaughlin.

765
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: Group, it was not.

766
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: How about this? The Algonquin Round Table was not. The

767
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: show did air until nineteen eighty four and was syndicated internationally,

768
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: including in the US, where Hogan cannily parlayed his fame

769
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: into a gig with the Australian Tourism Board, creating a

770
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: series of ads in the nineteen eighties encouraging Americans to

771
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 2: visit the Wonda's Dad Anda and his offer to slip

772
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: an extra shrimp on the bobby for you.

773
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was where that was from, he did,

774
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: did I actually, But.

775
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: You said in Australia that they call him prons instead.

776
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, in Australia and England and any part of

777
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: the British Empire. I think they call him prons well.

778
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: By the mid eighties, Hogan was wildly successful and hiding

779
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: large chunks of money from the Australian government. Allegedly he

780
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: was vowed. He was voted Australian of the Year in

781
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five.

782
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: Due just loves being Australian man.

783
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: I mean good, Like, yeah, who is his competition, like

784
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: mel Gibson ac DC for ten years running? I guess yeah,

785
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 2: it would have been mel Gibson.

786
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not for sure.

787
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about mel Gibson being Australian.

788
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: Who claims him well? Especially now? Who like what was

789
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: he was born here and then raised there or vice versa.

790
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit, I now, I very much do.

791
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: I would just google it can come back. Well, I am,

792
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing right now. He said. Irish citizenship too,

793
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: what the hell? Born in Peakskill, New York, Okay, six

794
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: of eleventh children Jesus Chrincy Irish uh Irish born mom.

795
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: His father was awarded one hundred and forty five thousand

796
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: dollars in a work related injury lawsuit against the New

797
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: York Central Railroad and soon afterwards, he and his entire

798
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: family relocated to Sydney, Australia.

799
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 2: That's how you do it, get rich off an accident

800
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: and move down, skipped down.

801
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: Up sticks as the British sticks. Yes. Mel Gibson was

802
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: twelve years old at the time. His move to his

803
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: grandmother's native Australia was for economic reasons and his father's

804
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: expectation that the Australian Defense Forces would reject his eldest

805
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: son from the drafts during Vietnam whatever.

806
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: Too far in the weeds, I guess Australia claims him.

807
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: Seems to be. Yeah, he's got a some kind of

808
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: he's got the Order of Australia Honor. So yeah, sure, yeah, okay,

809
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: well there we go. How about that? How about that?

810
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: So Paul Hogan was like the pre eminent Australian on

811
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the face of the planet in nineteen eighty five, and

812
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: so he and his business partner John Cornell wanted to

813
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: build on the success of the Paul Hogan TV show

814
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: and give Australia an international folk hero that, in Hogan's estimation,

815
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: they so richly deserved. And that's how they decided to

816
00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: make Crocodile Dundee a tale of the trials and tribulations

817
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: of a gruff but lovable Australian who visits New York City.

818
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: As we touched on earlier, Paul Hogan claims that he

819
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: came up with the idea for the film on a

820
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: trip to New York, where the culture clash made him

821
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: wonder what would be like if a real Aussie hunter

822
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: arrived in the Big Apple. To be sure, this was

823
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: a deliberate attempt to make a commercial Australian comedy that

824
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: would appeal to the American audience, and they took great

825
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: pains to ensure that the script wasn't smutty or violent.

826
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: John Colonel, I can never say his name, John Cornell,

827
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: like the college. That's not how you spell Cornell. Oh

828
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: it is. My grandfather went there to.

829
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: Please leave that in.

830
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: Obviously I didn't go to Cornell. Producer John Cornell would

831
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: explain that the target audience for Crocodile Dundee is the

832
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: eight to eighty age group quote a demographic like a

833
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: double barreled shotgun shoty. Paul Hogan was quoted as saying,

834
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot about Dundee that we all think we're like.

835
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: We meaning Australians, but we're not because we live in Sydney.

836
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: He's a mythical outback Australian who does exist in part

837
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: the frontiersman who walks through the bush picking up snakes

838
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: and throwing them aside, living off the land, who can

839
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: ride horses and chop down trees and has that simple, friendly,

840
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: laid back philosophy. It's like the image the Americans have

841
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: of us, so why not give them one. We've always

842
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 1: been desperately short of folk heroes in this country. Ned

843
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: Kelly is pathetic. Some are the bush rangers. Ned Kelly

844
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: catches trays from Paul Hogan. Yeah, the script for Crocodile

845
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: Dundee was written by Hogan and his manager John Cournell,

846
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: who produced the thing himself. This is really they're kept

847
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: in house.

848
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: Only for him.

849
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

850
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: Ned Kelly is like a Jesse James kind of figure

851
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: in Australia. His Wikipedia page has one of the most

852
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: like He looks like a guy who works at a

853
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: barber shop in Brooklyn. He's incredible beer.

854
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: He's played by Mick Jagger, right, perfect hair.

855
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: Well, don't hold bad against him, and many people think

856
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: his image is mushroomed into this like Robin Hood kind

857
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: of situation in Australia. But there are a lot of

858
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: people who just say he was like a violent outlaw.

859
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: But most importantly to my interests, he is famous for

860
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: wearing a homemade suit of armor bulletproof vest in his

861
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: last standoff with police was a bulletproof Given that it

862
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: was his last stand up with police, I'm guess he

863
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: was bet attesting it. He was also a bare knuckle boxer.

864
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: He thought a guy over a chestnut mare and one

865
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: in twenty rounds. You know, I mean, I'd feel like

866
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: somebody to feel like well, I guess you could say

867
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: on Dillinger. A lot of people do, but those people

868
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: are wrong.

869
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: Have you seen a picture of his homemade suit of armor? Yeah,

870
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: it's sick. Yeah. I mean I don't see any eye holes,

871
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: which I guess would say to reason. I do see

872
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: a lot of bullet dance. So I guess it didn't

873
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: do that bad.

874
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he didn't know, he didn't.

875
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's try. That's cool though.

876
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: I mean the battle lasted a half an hour wow,

877
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: and he was only brought down by two shotgun blasts

878
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: to his unprotected legs. He had twenty eight wounds and

879
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 2: then they found him.

880
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

881
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: So Ned Kelly was the subject of the first dramatic

882
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: feature length film ever, The Story of the Yes, the

883
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: Story of the Kelly Gang, in nineteen o six.

884
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: Ever, not just in Australia but ever. Ever, that's wild regard.

885
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: Well, uh, because it's the seventeen minutes of it that

886
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: still survived. But it is u's pretty long fribed in

887
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: its it's literally enshrined in UNESCO, which is the United

888
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: States Nations Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, for being

889
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: the world's first full length narrative feature film. You Paul Hogan,

890
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: you don't have that keep Kelly's name out of your mouth.

891
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: So, in short, you disagree with Paul Hogan's assessment that

892
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: Ned Kelly was pathetic.

893
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, everybody needs folk heroes. And it's also it's

894
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: also rich of Paul Hogan to be like, yeah, bad

895
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: other guy, this guy who's life I stolen out of

896
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: any money for it. That's the guy. I'm the guy,

897
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 2: you man. It's just like somebody bold basically being like

898
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: like making a thinly veiled biopic of like Jesse James

899
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: and then being like, no, it's not based on him.

900
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I was from when I went to New York.

901
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: Come on. Paul Hogan and his business manager John Cornell

902
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: sketched out a ten million dollar budget, which was fairly

903
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: modest even for the time. Crocodile Dundy was unusual because

904
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: it didn't go through the Australian Film Commission, which usually

905
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: supplies financing in exchange for some degree of creative meddling.

906
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: Instead of going for a few big investors, they targeted

907
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: a lot of small donations for many just like us.

908
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also a big B movie horror movie crowdfunding situation.

909
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: Like Sam Raimi, the initial the rights to the first

910
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: Evil Dead, and I believe largely why the Second Evil

911
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: Dead is basically a shot for shot remake of the

912
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: first one. The rights are disaster because he would they

913
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: were just going around to anybody being like, we have

914
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars, you'll be a producers. A lot of

915
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: dentists in particular. That was his. That was like one

916
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 2: of the things he's been on record is saying, yeah,

917
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: we went to a lot of dentists. They have they

918
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: have a lot of money.

919
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: They have a lot of money in there and they're depressed. Yeah, yeah, huh. Interesting.

920
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: In the pre go fund me days, to promote this

921
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: project to potential investors, they gave an interview to the

922
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: Australian business magazine Ridges. How'd you say that, Rydgeses Rogs.

923
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean that just sounds like you're saying it with

924
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: an Australian accent, Yeah Rogers. Okay, all right, well there

925
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: you go. The articles read how's this for Kisman? The

926
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: article is read by Paul Hogan's childhood friend who just

927
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: happened to run an investment bank. This bank agreed to

928
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: underwrite seven million dollars of this ten million dollar feature.

929
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: Sake.

930
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: I know, I know, what is that?

931
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 2: An eighty five money?

932
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: I would say seven million dollars I would put it

933
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: at I'm gonna say prices right rules without going over,

934
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say twenty one million. I know it's Australian dollars.

935
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's Australian dollars though, I don't

936
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: really know what that means. It's not a real currency.

937
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: They paid in a crocodile meat teeth.

938
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: They say that's the cristis I say.

939
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: Eighty five eighty five. Yeah, I'm gonna say it's close

940
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: to twenty million today.

941
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: Twenty million, eight hundred and eighty six.

942
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: Dollars, I said twenty one. So I went over. I

943
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: lost my prices, right, rules, I lost, but that's pretty close.

944
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: I didn't guess I abstained.

945
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: How big of you. Hogan and John Cronell each kicked

946
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: in six hundred thousand dollars apiece and the rest of

947
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: the budget, so some two million dollars would come from

948
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred small investors, one of whom was the frontman

949
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: of Australian rock band In Excess, Michael Hutchins. Do you

950
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: have anything you'd like to share about Michael.

951
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: Hutchins handsome, handsome guy.

952
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like an Australian Jim Morrison, but.

953
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: In excess, a reportedly great band. That one song is good, Yeah,

954
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 2: I know that one song.

955
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: It's a good song. Yeah.

956
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: He died cranking it, cranking the hog and the news,

957
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: as so many of us have.

958
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, I because I always

959
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: assume that. And then before we taped today, I went

960
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: and looked that up and the only person who claimed

961
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: that was his I believe. I believe A strange girlfriend

962
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: at the time, Paula Yates.

963
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that makes sense, something an X would say.

964
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: But then there was some kind of because she was

965
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: dating Bob Geldoff at the time and they had kids together.

966
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: There was love triangle and then and what did what

967
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 1: was it drugs? She died of drugs not too long

968
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: after talking about her I don't give it.

969
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: He was.

970
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: No they I mean, they just said it could have

971
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: been depression and suicide. She said as much when interviewed

972
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: by the police, but then later when speaking to some

973
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: journalists or news outlet, she changed the story and said

974
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: that it was autoerotic asphyxiation. But she's the only one

975
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: I think he's claimed that. I think, well, that's sad

976
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: and I regret the error. But but we'll never know.

977
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: But thankfully before he went there's really no segue. I

978
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: can't there's I can't get back to this in a

979
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: way that.

980
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 2: Is sucks to man. I mean, I just have to

981
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: assume that's true. And you know what, I just did

982
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: a whole bit slandering that man, and like, imagine dying

983
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: and your ex is like, yeah, he killed himself wanking

984
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: it in the noose, and that's lodged in someone's brain

985
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: thirty years later forty years later, My god, what a wait?

986
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: What I mean?

987
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: Hey, at least we're talking about him, right, No such

988
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: thing as bad publicity.

989
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: We aren't talking about his songs though. Yeah. As a musician,

990
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: I'd like to know how you feel about that. Would

991
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: you rather be remember for the songs you write or

992
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: for the way that you didn't die?

993
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: I mean, does anyone want to be remembered for the

994
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: way that they didn't die?

995
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: Is that great? Great? I think I forgot it was.

996
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: I mustn't Frankie Boyle. That sounds like Frankie Boyle. It's like,

997
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: why would Elvis fake his own death? We're gonna fake

998
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: your own death. You could do better than the fake

999
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: ash accident exactly. Yeah. Oh, poor Michael Hutchins. Gods and Elvis. Nah. Yes,

1000
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: Michael Hutchins donated to the metaphorical kickstarter for Crocodile Dundee.

1001
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: I would have to assume that, like every famous Australian

1002
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: must have kicked in something for this. Livington John No

1003
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: Gibson maybe gave something. What are some other big Australians

1004
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: from the time, the guy from Cold Chisel, half of

1005
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: a C d C.

1006
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: Mick Cave, the Bad seeds. Oh yeah, though I think

1007
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: one of them is German by this time. I forget

1008
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: when Blick's joined. The Midnight Oil guy, oh sure, or

1009
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: for sure the bloomin Onion.

1010
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: The guy who managed the Beg's okay man, oh no,

1011
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: oh the beach oh co Oh my god? Yeah, oh man,

1012
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: I should say that up top. Much respect to the beg's, well,

1013
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: at least the main DG, the terrifying DG. Handsome. Yeah, whenever,

1014
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: whenever one of the other begs dies, he grows stronger.

1015
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: He's absorbed them into himself. He's like Jim Morris that

1016
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 2: he's like one to two of the spirits of the

1017
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 2: Native Americans. Probably flew in me. Maybe that's what happens

1018
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: to the GiB Brothers. Oh god, this is dark. We're

1019
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: really punching down. I mean, these people were fabulously wealthy

1020
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: and lived out their dreams and talented. We're banking one

1021
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: money still alive. We're begging for money from strangers. So

1022
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 2: but still, we've ragged on a lot of dead guys

1023
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: and we'll continue to business as usual in excess.

1024
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: Michael Hutchins Band You Remember, provided a song for the

1025
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: soundtrack for Crocodile don the a different world. The movie

1026
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: also contains a snippet of the song down Under by

1027
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: Men at Work because it's a movie that's set in Australia,

1028
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: and I.

1029
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: Think it was like legally like you had to put

1030
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 2: that in, right.

1031
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I was hoping there'd be an interesting

1032
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: story about that song, but sadly there is not. I did, however,

1033
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: learn that the meaning of the refrain where Beard does

1034
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: flow and men chunder has a meaning I didn't realize.

1035
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: Apparently to chunder means to vomit. Did you know that? No,

1036
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: that's a good word.

1037
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: The only regional saying I know for vomiting is haver, right,

1038
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 2: because that's in the.

1039
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: Well luck by lucky if more that's Scotland, right.

1040
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Scotland. But he's like, and if I have her,

1041
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 2: I want to be the man who havers at your door.

1042
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: And he's like, he's talking about pugin right.

1043
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: No, it means talking foolishly.

1044
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: Haring means talking. Oh god, I'm just striking out on

1045
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: this episode. All those people gave us money, we're gonna

1046
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: be like they fell off.

1047
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: No, refuse chun do's a good word though. I like it.

1048
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a relative of John Fogerty Coinning Chuglin.

1049
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what does it mean again? Oh? I don't know?

1050
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: My friends and the mad doctors who are Greg Hanson

1051
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: who runs King Pizza Records in New York, Joshua Park

1052
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: and Seth Applebaum now killing it with his many tentacled

1053
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: project Ghostfunk Orchestra.

1054
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: Who does the theme to our show? Yes?

1055
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: Who does the theme song to this very show that

1056
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: was their slaying for pooping on tour?

1057
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: Chugling?

1058
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got chugel.

1059
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a certain charm to it.

1060
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1061
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: The only other mildly interesting story about that Network song

1062
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: down Under is that in two thousand and nine, a

1063
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: music publishing company that owns the rights to the Australian

1064
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: children's song Cucko Barrow sued the down Under songwriters, claiming

1065
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: that the flute riff copied the children's classic Cuckbarrow sits in.

1066
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: The old dumb tree Tree the number really uninteresting lawsuit.

1067
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: What's your favorite song about Australia? Mine is Tom Traber's

1068
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: Blues by Tom waitsaltsingh Mathilda.

1069
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: Oh, Walton Matilda is a great song. I like Waltson

1070
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: Matilda a lot. I can't say Rolf Harris because he's

1071
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: been like me too in a major way. But there's

1072
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: a song called Sunrise which is very pretty, which uses

1073
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 1: aboriginal instruments because that was kind of his thing. Yeah,

1074
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: there's a really good version of Waltson Matilda by Alex Harvey,

1075
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: the sensational Alex Harvey Band.

1076
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a bit of a deep cut. Yeah, there's

1077
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: a song by it the Pogues called and the band

1078
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: played Waltzing Matilda, which is it's like a young man

1079
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: who is in the First World War who like came

1080
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: from rural Australia and ends up mame spoiler alert, he

1081
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 2: ends up maimed in the Gallipoli campaign, which is I

1082
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: understand it a big sensitive spot for Australians as you

1083
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: meditate on that. We'll be right back with more too

1084
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: much information after these messages.

1085
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: All right, now, let's move on to the production Crocodile Dundee. Obviously,

1086
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: Paul Hogan is gonna be the titular character, but for

1087
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: the role of his love interest, the writer Sue Charlton.

1088
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: They met with Linda Kozlowski, a Juilliard classmate of Val Kilmer,

1089
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: who'd appeared on Broadway with Dustin Hoffman in Death of

1090
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: a Salesman.

1091
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: You imagine you go from doing Death of a Salesman

1092
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 2: on Broadway to like showing your ass for this Australian

1093
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: tourist movie. I about that girl on some rough days,

1094
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: being like, oh yeah in here.

1095
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, she uh was the only American on the set

1096
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: and a blonde woman.

1097
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 2: Good lord. I'm surprised she survived.

1098
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: Well, she had ed up marrying Paul Hogan, so and

1099
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm happy she survived. Yeah. Yeah, Not only was she

1100
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: the only American, but she was the only American living

1101
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: in a hut in the outpack. For a significant portion

1102
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: of the production, Crocodile Dundee was filmed on location in

1103
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: Australia and New York City, and per Travel and Leisure,

1104
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: the outback scenes were shot in the isolated Kakadu National Park,

1105
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: which is roughly the size of Germany.

1106
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 2: Good god, which I'm sure.

1107
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure we could pick a state that's like bigger

1108
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: than Germany to compare the size of the park too.

1109
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: It's something about being the size of Germany feels very

1110
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: like impressive, like an achievement.

1111
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, it's better than being bigger than France.

1112
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean honestly kinda. Yeah, this park was located in

1113
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory of Australia. We should have been home

1114
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: to a uranium mine, which I know it's probably not dangerous,

1115
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: but it just seems like it is dangerous.

1116
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: It's just they killed John Wayne filming in irradiated locations.

1117
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: Oh well that was that was because they did a

1118
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: bomb tests there. This is just like mined from uranium. Yeah,

1119
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: isn't that like plutonium. It's like like like the Russians

1120
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: drop like one ten thousandth of a milligram into people's

1121
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: coffee and they die horribly of massive tumors and organ failure.

1122
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: But I'm sure that has to be like somehow like

1123
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: made unstable by combining it with something. And I'm sure

1124
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: it's when it's like taken out of the earth. All right.

1125
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll google it, I'll keep reading. See what

1126
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: you get. Go go choogle it. Craig Bowles, the Australian

1127
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: Location scout for Crocodile Dundee, selected the isolated location because, quote,

1128
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: it showcased a part of Australia that I don't think

1129
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: had been seen and it was inherent and Paul's nature.

1130
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: He seemed to fit into the landscape perfectly because they

1131
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: were so far from hotels. However, everyone on the cast

1132
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 1: and crew slept in huts left behind by the Pan

1133
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: Continental Mining Company. Despite the dilapidated condition of the camp,

1134
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: the cast and crew made the best of it, spending

1135
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: their nights around the campfire, singing songs in a summer

1136
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: camp like atmosphere.

1137
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: Well, the Ranger uranium mine was operational until twenty twenty one,

1138
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: so they were filming near an active uranium mine.

1139
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine uranium being pulled out of the

1140
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: earth being dangerous. I feel like we had to do

1141
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: something to it.

1142
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: Let me just scroll down to safety breaches and controversy. Okay,

1143
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: the Government of Australia has documented over two hundred environmental

1144
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 2: impacts since nineteen seventy nine. Great majority of these were minor,

1145
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: but oh, here's one. In May two thousand and five,

1146
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: the company was convicted for breaching environmental guidelines, the first

1147
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: such prosecution of a mining company in the Northern Territory,

1148
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: relating to accidental radiological exposure to employees radioactively contaminated process

1149
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: water cools. The Rods Rods had entered into the drinking

1150
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: water supply. Sure dozens of mine employees were found to

1151
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: have showered in and consumed water containing four hundred times

1152
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 2: the legal limit of uranium. Here's another one. A mechanic

1153
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: in Jabiru opened the engine bay. He was unaware of

1154
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: the nature of mud and dirt which fell on the floor.

1155
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: Court testimony said in the following weeks he had swept

1156
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: material outside of his shed where his children played and

1157
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: built sand castles in mud contaminated with uranium. Jesus about

1158
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: two mega leaders of potentially polluted water came out in

1159
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: two thousand and two. Two thousand and seven, water breached

1160
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 2: a retention pond. In May twenty ten, it was reported

1161
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: that a dam may have released millions of leaders into

1162
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: radioactive water into World Heritage listed wetlands and Kakadu National Park,

1163
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 2: home to about five hundred Aboriginal people. In November twenty thirteen,

1164
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 2: four drums previously used to transport yellow cake were found

1165
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: in a rural area of Darwin. The company recovered the

1166
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: drums amid concerns about the tenship spread of radioactive contamination. Yeah, no, guys.

1167
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, there was an incident at a mine

1168
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: inside Cockerter National Park with about a million liters of

1169
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: slurry comprising crushed or and acid believed to have been spilled.

1170
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: Sure, but aside from that, Missus Lincoln, I just I

1171
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: can't imagine that like pulling uranium out of the earth now,

1172
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: I like really want to get to the bottom of this.

1173
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: Our uranium mine's dangerous. Although the uranium itself is barely radioactive,

1174
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: the ore which is mind must be regarded as potentially

1175
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: hazardous due to uranium's decay products.

1176
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: All right, fine, I biggrudgingly concede this point that I

1177
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: made a weird wedge issue of all right, look at

1178
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: you go into bat for mining concerns.

1179
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: And you're going to bat for cop killers. Yeah, hell yeah,

1180
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: that sounds right.

1181
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: I hope she sees this.

1182
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: King Well, it stands to reason that this unforgiving terrain

1183
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: was teeming with wildlife that the uranium hadn't killed. Fittingly,

1184
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: there were crocodiles all over the set of Crocodile Dundee,

1185
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: and an armed guard was hired to protect the production

1186
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: from what was referred to euphemistically as crocodile interference. I

1187
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: guess it's not really euphemism. I guess it's pretty literal.

1188
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: It's still great choice of phrase. As Paul Hogan would

1189
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: later say in his own inimitable fashion, we had guys

1190
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: up in trees with rifles just in case one crocodile

1191
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: came along and ruined everything or enhanced everything. Yeah right.

1192
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: There was also a crocodile wrangler on set. This is

1193
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: presumably because Paul Hogan had planned on using a real

1194
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: crocodile for close ups during the scene where Sue was

1195
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: attacked as she was cooling off in the.

1196
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: Water, aforementioned eighties speedo scene.

1197
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: Ah yes, yes, But ultimately they opted for a forty

1198
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: five thousand dollar do animatronic crocodile, which proved so lifelike

1199
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: that someone on the set reported the crew to the

1200
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: authorities as suspected poachers.

1201
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, movie magic.

1202
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: The water buffalo used in the scene where crocodile Dundee

1203
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: mesmerizes it was in fact real and apparently was a

1204
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: real diva. Paul Hogan would say that the scene took

1205
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: hours to shoot. If the buffalo doesn't want to do anything,

1206
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: it weighs two thousand pounds, and you know it doesn't,

1207
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: so you have to hang around the Asian buffalo in

1208
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: Australia with the eight feet of horns. That scene took

1209
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: all day. It's like he said, I'll just sit here

1210
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: and you can't do anything about it. I've also seen

1211
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: it sighted in various listicles that the animal was drugged.

1212
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 2: I just want everyone to know that. Jordan title this

1213
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: New York Bidets and Nights Thank You, said that the

1214
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: New York scenes were slightly easier to film. Some scenes

1215
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,919
Speaker 2: were filmed at the Plaza Hotel, but not the ones

1216
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: where Dundee is mystified by the bidets. There are no

1217
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: bidets at the Plaza, apparently, something the front desk would

1218
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: get calls for years asking if they could book the

1219
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: Crocodile Dundee room. Sorry, sir, no can do. There are

1220
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: no bidets in this establishment. Is that a reference to something?

1221
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: No, let's just really assume that's say, it would.

1222
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 2: Be better if you had like a really thick, like honkin'

1223
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: like Hell's kitchen accent. No bidezz that's the cigar chumping executive.

1224
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,919
Speaker 2: I'm losing my mind. Funnily enough, the movie though, that's

1225
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: playing in Crocodile Dundee's hotel suite is the nineteen sixty

1226
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 2: five Sam Peckinpah feature Major Dundee starring Charlton Heston. A

1227
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 2: little nod there. Do you know that a young Melissa

1228
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: Joan Hart was originally supposed to appear in the film

1229
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: as the little girl who skins her knee in Central

1230
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 2: Park and is miraculously healed by Crocodile. Dundee, I heard

1231
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 2: something about that. Sadly the scene was cut.

1232
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1233
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: They also filmed on location at Vazak's Bar in the

1234
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 2: East Village, which was used with The Godfather too, also

1235
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: in the abandoned lower level of the Ninth Avenue subway

1236
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 2: station in Brooklyn for the final scenes of the movie.

1237
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 2: And lastly, the damn knife line. Do it with me, now, Jordan,

1238
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: that's not a knife this now you didn't do it with.

1239
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: Me, but you started before.

1240
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 2: One, five, six, seven eight.

1241
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: That's not a knife. Yes, nif it's not, it's that

1242
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: that's a knife.

1243
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 2: Well, that's a line undered by Mick Crocodile when he

1244
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 2: and Dundee. Dundee, what do you call someone whose name

1245
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: is crocodile?

1246
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: Croc croc. Yeah, it's a crock That Croc's not bad? Yeah,

1247
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: all right? Is it Ray Kroc, the founder of McDonald's.

1248
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: Yes, it's about differently, but sure when he and Sue

1249
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 2: are being held at knife point by does it really

1250
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: even matter?

1251
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: Like?

1252
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 2: Where are you talking about that? Everyone knows that scene?

1253
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 2: Would we bother describing it? However, Ken Shady Shade, one

1254
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: of the film's writers, didn't think the line was funny

1255
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 2: at all, saying it just wasn't funny on paper. He

1256
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 2: was wrong. The knife that was used in the scene,

1257
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: unsurprisingly into many, was not a real one, and it

1258
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: was made of rubber.

1259
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: And aluminum aluminium as they say, Yeah, I got good call.

1260
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: After filming was complete, Paul Hogan's manager, John Cornell flew

1261
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: to the US to look for a distributor. Per the

1262
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 1: New York Times, Paramount snapped up the US distribution rights

1263
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: of Crocodile Dundee after twentieth Century Fox turned down after

1264
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: only watching twenty minutes of it. Later, after the first

1265
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: and second Crocodile Dundee movies were huge hits, Cornell gloated

1266
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: to The New York Times that this Fox executive was

1267
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: quote extremely rude. I sometimes get pleasure from thinking about

1268
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: what the look is like on his face at a

1269
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: time like this at Tracks and their Defense.

1270
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: Though an Australian movie wasn't exactly an easy sell in

1271
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six because at the time the biggest Australian

1272
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 2: movies were Mad Max and picnict Hanging Rock directed by

1273
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: Peter Weir. There's a someb genre of exploitation movies called

1274
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: osploitation from that basically you're kidding, no not. There's two

1275
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 2: famous ones, in particular, Donald Pleasance is in one of them.

1276
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: But what's the like the underlying is it just like

1277
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 1: shootouts in the outback?

1278
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: Kind of?

1279
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1280
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:28,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Nicholas Rogue rog who famously directed Performance Manufeld

1281
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: to Earth and Don't Look Now and The Witches. It's

1282
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: always so funny that Nicholas Rogue did The Witches the

1283
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: Rolled All adaptation. There's a film called walk About Witches

1284
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 2: about two h white school children who are left defend

1285
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 2: for themselves in the Australian outback.

1286
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: Uh.

1287
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 2: And then there's another one from the same year called

1288
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: Wake in Fright and that is basically just about like

1289
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 2: one dude hanging out with a bunch of insane like

1290
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 2: Australian rednecks. The tagline for this movie is incredible. Have

1291
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: a drink, mate, have a fight, mate, have a taste

1292
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: of dust and sweat, mate. There's nothing else out here.

1293
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: That's a truly incredible tagline. And they were both they

1294
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 2: were both entered in nineteen seventy one can Film.

1295
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 1: Festival Australian New Wave. Oh my god, what the hell

1296
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: is this genre? Yeah?

1297
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 2: And this wake in Freight movie is like it's a

1298
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 2: famous cult movie too because the master negative went missing,

1299
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 2: so you could only I mean, it was a violent film.

1300
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 2: It was like they killed real kangaroos in it, which

1301
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 2: is you know, you don't do that.

1302
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: The frown on that. Yeah, this a frown tom.

1303
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: But it was just like for years it was just

1304
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 2: like shittily reproduced prints were the only things that were available.

1305
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: And the original film and sound parts were rescued in

1306
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 2: two thousand and four, so it was re released in

1307
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. But yeah, usploitation, it's a real thing.

1308
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 2: Oh razorback, of course we must have to. It's a razorback.

1309
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 2: I mean it's about a killer got killer hog. He

1310
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,440
Speaker 2: was crazy about Paul Hogan. He turned down ghost Yeah,

1311
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: he turned down the Swayze role in Ghosts, and do

1312
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 2: you know anything about the movie that he then made

1313
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 2: with John Cornell.

1314
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: Again, it's like a bad Heaven can.

1315
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 2: Wait right, Yeah, it's like an it's an angel exploitation movie.

1316
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 2: He like saves a kid from getting hit by van

1317
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 2: and then like the rest of the film is like,

1318
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 2: oh am I an immortal angel?

1319
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: Now?

1320
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: Or was I just drunk? Rod Stewart's in it?

1321
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: Rod Stewart's in that.

1322
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, sorry, he no, I'm so sorry. He disguises

1323
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: himself as Rod Stewart at one point.

1324
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: Also brought Stuart seems Australian.

1325
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Linda Koslowski's in it too, because they were

1326
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,879
Speaker 2: married by that point. That little husband and wife wife project.

1327
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 2: Charlton Heston plays god.

1328
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: Oh he just does that a lot. He's getting type cast.

1329
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: And it was a critical commercial failure.

1330
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

1331
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: Another set of commercials that Paul Hogan did in the

1332
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 2: late nine is another two thousands Subaru Outback.

1333
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: I think I remember those. It's outback that back. Yeah.

1334
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: Did you do any for the Outback Steakhouse?

1335
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 2: Not yet? No rules, I mean there's there's time yet.

1336
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, I don't know. He's eighty five. Get him

1337
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: on the horn, Paul, Paul it's your cousin, it's your

1338
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: there's one element of Australian culture you have not cashed

1339
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: in on yet. Me oh, Paul, yeah, yeah.

1340
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really took it to the bank man.

1341
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, when you're Australian of the Year, you

1342
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: can kind of like you just write your own ticket.

1343
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: Like imagine if you were voted American of the Year,

1344
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: Like there's really nowhere.

1345
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 2: Else to go at that point. Yeah, who would be

1346
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 2: American of the Year currently? Yeah, pass, I abstain it

1347
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: was your pick, Brian Wilson.

1348
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: American of the Year. American of the Year is.

1349
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 2: Lorraine Warren dead? Yeah, she's dead and in hell.

1350
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: Right she's dead and no one killed her, so you

1351
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: can't pick that person.

1352
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: Roger Corman died too, I know, I know, I don't know, man,

1353
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to close the books on this. No good

1354
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: Americans left. Oh oh, David Byrne, David Burrn' still alive.

1355
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 2: She might be Scottish though, right, He's another one of

1356
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 2: those dual citizenship weirdos. Just pick one, man, just commit

1357
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 2: to it, or go the place with healthcare and leave

1358
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 2: us alone. It really feels unfair that they get like

1359
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 2: European grade quality of life and then they just get

1360
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 2: to come over here and just like, I don't make

1361
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 2: art with that as like a fallback. Jesse the Body Ventura, Okay, yeah,

1362
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 2: he turned into a real hippie lately, right June that.

1363
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 2: Jesse the Body Ventura tried to unionize the WWF wrestlers

1364
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 2: back in the nineties and Paul Hogan or Paul Hogan,

1365
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 2: here's a Hogan connection for you. Jesse the Body Ventura

1366
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 2: tried to unionize the WWF at one point, and Hulk

1367
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 2: Hogan added him out to Vince McMahon.

1368
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: It sucks, yeah he does. And he killed Gawker.

1369
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the Iron Chic when he was still alive.

1370
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 2: His Twitter account was like solely all caps, things like

1371
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 2: hul Cogan is a dumb son of a bitch.

1372
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: Well back to the movie, which you recall is called

1373
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: Crocodile Dundee. After some American test screenings, Paramount made a

1374
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: special international cut of Crocodile Dundee. A similar thing was

1375
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: done to the German made Never Ending Story, basically to

1376
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: make the movie dumber. Seven minutes of Crocodile Dundee was

1377
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: cut to quote speed up the pace to the taste

1378
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: of the American consumer. As reported by The New York Times,

1379
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: most of the cut screen time came from the first

1380
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: half of the film, when Mick Crocodile Dundee showed Sue

1381
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: Charlton around the outback of Australia.

1382
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 2: Lose the gangage. What is the show? Ad'll Killia, Ad'll Killia?

1383
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: That won'll just paralyze you. Over there's a horizon and

1384
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: there's a few of those blokes were killed, the descendants.

1385
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: They'd been on his land forty thousand years, and then

1386
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 2: we came here. Fancy of Falster's out I could see

1387
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: why no one wanted that committed the screen.

1388
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: They also dropped scenes that contain too much Australian slang

1389
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: because they fear that American audiences wouldn't be able to follow.

1390
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and they cut some f bombs to ensure

1391
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: a PG rating, which is probably why I was allowed

1392
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: to see this. Is probably the last time I saw

1393
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: this when I was like PG movie age. Hilariously, Paramount

1394
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: added quotation marks around Crocodile on the posters of the

1395
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: movie and the title card so that Americans would understand

1396
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: that this was a man's nickname and not a movie

1397
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: about a crocodile.

1398
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 2: Would be so much better for us about a crocodile,

1399
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 2: like free Willy, but with a crocodile, or like Gentle

1400
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 2: with a crocodile.

1401
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: That was in the in the Flipper remake in the nineties,

1402
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: right he was with who is the kid in that?

1403
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: Was that Elijah Wood? It was was Paul Hugan and

1404
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 1: Elijah Wood. I can't believe I pulled that out. That's cute,

1405
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: I know it is.

1406
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 2: I forgot about how far racist Australia was, Like all

1407
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: these stories that are about like from like the past

1408
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: four years where they like finally got around to changing

1409
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 2: the place of a name. Well, because I remember seeing

1410
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 2: this thing like ten years.

1411
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: Ago that was like.

1412
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 2: Places called Murdering Creek, skull Hole, and the Leap, which

1413
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 2: are all references to frontier violence against the Aborigines.

1414
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: The Leap, I don't even want to know they.

1415
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 2: Probably they were obviously throwing them off it.

1416
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: I can't believe that shit.

1417
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 2: And this is all these all these search results are

1418
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 2: from like the last six seven years. What did you

1419
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 2: say it until then racist place names in Australia.

1420
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: I hope you're enjoying this film Crocodile Dundee hit Australian

1421
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: cinemas on April twenty fourth, nineteen eighty six, and made

1422
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,839
Speaker 1: its American debut that September. Paul Hogan had high hopes,

1423
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: telling cinema papers on the eve of the film's release,

1424
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,799
Speaker 1: I expected to gross millions of dollars around the world,

1425
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: and I'm planning for it to be Australia's first proper movie.

1426
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't think we have one yet, not a real

1427
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: general public, successful, entertaining movie.

1428
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: Do you think he was taking the pass?

1429
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean, name one an independent Australian movie, or not

1430
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: even independent on Australian movie, are you? It is still

1431
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: the biggest domestic hit in Australian movie history.

1432
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 2: Oh this is extra funny that ned Kelly Gang movie

1433
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:52,879
Speaker 2: in nineteen oh six was produced in Australia. Oh yeah,

1434
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 2: Also fun Mad Max Road Warrior, Yeah okay, Also the

1435
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 2: aforementioned picnicd Hanging Rock, which that wasn't a hit though

1436
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 2: on this that wasn't a blockbuster Mcroucodother than it became

1437
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 2: the second highest grossing film of nineteen eighty six in

1438
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 2: the United States, behind only Top Gun, earning one hundred

1439
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 2: and seventy five million dollars in the US, so much

1440
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 2: of which was hidden from the Australian government like.

1441
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: It ultimately made thirty seven point three times the production

1442
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: budget in world box office numbers of ten million dollars.

1443
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: That means that it would have made three hundred and

1444
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: seventy three million dollars worldwide. That's crazy. Joe.

1445
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 2: Melbourne had one of the first ever film studios and

1446
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: it was operated by the Salvation Army between eighteen ninety

1447
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 2: seven and nineteen ten.

1448
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: Why were they making movies?

1449
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 2: Well, whatever the case, mad is, Australia has like a

1450
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 2: rich history of cinema. He was All Hogan nineteen eighty

1451
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 2: five s and I'm I'll hope it'll be the best

1452
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: Australian movie I.

1453
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: Have, first first hit, first proper movie. Oh he did

1454
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: say proper movie. Okay, Well he earned an Oscar nomination.

1455
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: Check that Outgan John Cornell and writer Ken Shady were

1456
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: nominated for the Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay. They

1457
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: lost to Witty Allen for Hannah and Her Sisters.

1458
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 2: The first Australian film that won an Oscar was a

1459
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 2: documentary and it was won in nineteen forty two. Australia's

1460
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 2: first oscar. The fuck is this guy talking about?

1461
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 1: But you know what he means something the rival top Gun. Well.

1462
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: Hogan lost an Oscar, but he did win a Golden

1463
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: Globe for Best Actor for a Comedy Motion Picture. This

1464
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: is just nuts. It just just speaks of what a

1465
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: phenomenon he was. Paul Hogan co hosted the Oscars in

1466
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven alongside Chevy Chase and Goldie Hawn.

1467
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 2: Did he do it in the vest?

1468
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: And hating there were no sleeves? This man is not Yeah,

1469
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: there's never worn sleeves. He also did a turn on

1470
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: SNL as the host. Okay. The New York Times called

1471
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: Crocodile Dundee quote the movie phenomenon of the year, describing

1472
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: it as quote a sort of sweet tempered, common sensical.

1473
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: Rambo would always say that he was a little disturbed

1474
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: that Americans saw his character as a combination of Chuck

1475
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: Norris and Sylvester Stallone breaker Morant. Come on, what is that?

1476
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what Australian film.

1477
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 2: Not to mention Gallipoli. Sorry, I'm not over that.

1478
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: Get this. Director. Igmar Bergman owned the copy of Crocodile

1479
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:36,480
Speaker 1: Dundee on VHS.

1480
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 2: Dude, that's up there with uh is it Chairman Mao

1481
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 2: having Bruce Lee Movies privately episode?

1482
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: Oh we actually know. I do remember that now. I

1483
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: mean it's kind of like Osama bin Laden's film, Like

1484
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: what was on his hard drive? I thought it was porn.

1485
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: That was like a porn but it was also like, wait,

1486
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: there's a TV special bin Laden's hard Drive in twenty

1487
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: twenty and it's on Disney Plus. OA. Now I need

1488
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: to find this hang on, No, I found I found it.

1489
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 1: They honest hard drive were found cars Chicken Little and

1490
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: Ice Age, Don of the Dinosaurs, and an awful lot

1491
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: of pornography, yes, and documentaries about himself, including the two

1492
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: thousand and eight comedy documentary Aware in the World as

1493
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: Osama bin Laden and books on popular conspiracy theories about

1494
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 1: nine to eleven.

1495
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah. Americannians were already dimly familiar with Paul

1496
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 2: Hogan due to all of the work he did for

1497
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 2: the Australian Tourism Board, which he apparently did pro bono

1498
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 2: just in the name of Ozsie Pride.

1499
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: He's the top Australian, He's the Australian of the Year.

1500
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 2: Seventeen years running. The success of Crocodile Dundee revolutionized tourism

1501
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,520
Speaker 2: in Australia, seeing how it was basically one giant advertisement

1502
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: for how awesome they are. In twenty sixteen, Peter Hook

1503
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 2: not that one, but the communications manager at Kakadoo Tourism

1504
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 2: told Travel and Leisure in eighty six Australians hadn't even

1505
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: been to Kakadu, let alone Americans. Basically, Kakadoo is a

1506
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: mining area. Uranium was its biggest mineral. The government actually

1507
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,759
Speaker 2: built a road from Darwin to kakado not for tourism

1508
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 2: but for mining. I don't know what that last sentence means.

1509
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 2: The film brought tourists and the area became more accessible

1510
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: with the construction of improved roads. In twenty sixteen, Tourism

1511
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: chief executive Tony Mail told Perth Now Perth Now the

1512
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 2: film helped put Australia on the map let alone Kackadoo,

1513
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: let alone, let alone Kackadoo, adding that Crocodile Dundee and

1514
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 2: the Kakadu National Park still get an average of one

1515
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five thousand Google searches monthly. According to

1516
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 2: the Guardian, They even started giving Crocodile Dundee tours in

1517
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 2: the aforementioned Kakadoo National Park where the movie was film

1518
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: and in Darwin, where you can have close encounters with

1519
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 2: live crocodiles. Three hours away in Jabiru, you can stay

1520
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 2: in the indingenous owned Mercure Crocodile Hotel, which is shaped

1521
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 2: like a crocodile, before exploring the wilderness of the aforementioned

1522
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 2: Kakadoo through guided tours, scenic flights or arts and crafts

1523
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 2: lessons with indigenous Aborigine tribes who have lived in the

1524
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 2: Northern Territory for as previously mentioned, forty thousand years.

1525
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 1: You should do the next part.

1526
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny film. Funny film, a great

1527
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 2: line about the knife.

1528
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: You know.

1529
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 2: Paul Hogan Q guy hansoms and nice muscles. Much of

1530
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 2: this has not aged well, as you know, you might

1531
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 2: surmise from the low hanging fruit of his comedy show

1532
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: that launched him to stardom. There's an article in a

1533
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 2: Guardian by writer named Luke Buckmaster from twenty eighteen that

1534
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 2: just shows the astonishing breadth of the offense quite offensive

1535
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 2: things that happened in the film. They'd be for starters

1536
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 2: sue the journalist she is not actually a journalist, but

1537
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 2: working for her boyfriend for her father's paper. A lot.

1538
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: That's a rich text, we'll move on. There are comparisons

1539
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 2: made between the indigenous Aboriginal tribes arguing for land rights

1540
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 2: in Australia to Flees arguing over who owns the dog

1541
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: they live on, and of course Mick asking sue Charlton's chauffeur,

1542
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,799
Speaker 2: who is played by Reginald vel Johnson aka Carl Winslow

1543
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 2: from Family Matters and the cool cop from Die Hard

1544
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 2: what tribe he's from? The article like cause that's the

1545
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 2: thing about Like, I mean, come on, man, well actually

1546
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 2: maybe not. Maybe he'd never seen a black person. That

1547
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 2: part I buy. There's also a yeah, there's a trends.

1548
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 2: There's a moment of outright transphobia. You know, there's a

1549
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 2: trans woman that Paul Hogan is talking to before a

1550
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 2: friend pulls him aside and says, I've been trying to

1551
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 2: tell you all night that girl she's a guy. And

1552
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: Dundee grabs the woman in the crotch and points and

1553
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 2: yells a guy dressed up like a shila, how about that?

1554
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: Or look at that?

1555
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 2: And the pub explodes into rapturous laughter and applause.

1556
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: You know.

1557
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:17,919
Speaker 2: He also he grabs another woman in the art gallery

1558
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 2: and Sue says, it's okay. He's Australian, of course. Paul

1559
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 2: Hogan has some enlightened thoughts about this. While discussing Cancel

1560
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: culture with the project, he's quoted as saying it's sometimes

1561
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 2: understandable and in some cases stupid. In the case of

1562
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 2: me and the shows I did, it was never designed

1563
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 2: to hurt anyone. I just love starting a sentence with.

1564
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 2: In the case of me, I'm taking that per The

1565
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 2: Daily Mail, Hogan told The Australian, I don't think I

1566
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 2: ever did anything with any sort of malice. Okay, man,

1567
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 2: the success we forgot We've got to mention one. Sorry,

1568
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 2: there's in the sequel. He's trying to talk a suicidal

1569
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 2: man down from a leg edge and so he stops

1570
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 2: this guy from killing himself and then hugs him, and

1571
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 2: the guy says like something like, well, now I can

1572
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 2: go back to Steve say he's a gay guy and

1573
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 2: uh then dundee, let's go in disgust.

1574
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: And does the guy fall off the bridge after that?

1575
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't believe so oh.

1576
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:22,520
Speaker 2: Oh greatest Living American of the Year character actor Dan Hidaiya.

1577
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, what were you still alive?

1578
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: I would have accepted Leslie Nielsen.

1579
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, goodness.

1580
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: Is he Canadian? He seems like he would be Canadian. Yeah,

1581
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: so well, look he's Canadian.

1582
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 2: I have a sincere vote, and it's Willy Nelson. I

1583
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 2: have a sincere vote. Sure, and it's Willy Nelson.

1584
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: Okay. The success of Crocodile Dundee proved to be the

1585
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: predictable blessing and a curse for Paul Hogan. In twenty

1586
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 1: twenty two, he told Mark Meets because of the ridiculous

1587
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: success of Dundee, which is still the most successful and

1588
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: defended film ever made, it's sort of like, oh, whatever

1589
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: I do next will flop by comparison, so I bother

1590
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: so I mentally sort of retired after the first one.

1591
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:06,679
Speaker 1: And although Paul Hogan and Lynn Koloski started the nineteen

1592
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 1: eighty eight follow up, Crocodile Dundee two, it was not

1593
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: well received by critics and failed to out earn the original,

1594
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: Although it's still made the top five of the box

1595
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,959
Speaker 1: office in nineteen eighty eight, It has a nine percent

1596
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: on Rotten Tomatoes, but Ronald Reagan watched it at Camp

1597
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: David and apparently liked it.

1598
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 2: This was during the Middle East Accords.

1599
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 1: So Scott that going for it. At one time in

1600
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: the early nineties, Paramount was considering a crossover sequel with

1601
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: one of its other Big Eighties franchises, which would have

1602
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 1: birthed Crocodile Dundee meets Beverly Hills Cop. That is so funny.

1603
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 2: I assumed they would have come up with a better title,

1604
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 2: but I also assumed that they wouldn't have.

1605
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 1: Yeah no, and it would have been the Avon Costello rule.

1606
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 2: Just being so funny that Axel is not referred to

1607
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 2: as anything other than Beverly Hills Cup, like the Hunchback

1608
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 2: of Notre Dame.

1609
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 1: Ultimately, Murphy vetoed the idea, but then he went on

1610
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: to make Pluto Nash. As you mentioned earlier, Paul Hogan

1611
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: was offered the lead role in Ghost, which eventually went

1612
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: to Patrick Swayzee, and he turned this movie down to

1613
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: star in Almost an Angel, the third installment of the

1614
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: Crocodile Dundee franchise. Two thousand and one's Crocodile Dundee in

1615
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is so bad that we just assumed not

1616
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 1: mention it. He was nominated for a Razzie Award for

1617
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 1: Worst Remake or Sequel, but lost out to Tim Burton's

1618
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: Planet of the Apes.

1619
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 2: Good he did get a marriage out of it, though.

1620
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 2: There was a love connection made between Paul Hogan and

1621
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 2: his co star Linda Koslowski, which is hilarious because Roger

1622
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 2: the God Ebert specifically commented on the lack of romantic

1623
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 2: chemistry between the two leads. Their union caused a bit

1624
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 2: of a typically Australian scandal, since Paul was already married

1625
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 2: to a woman named Noline Edwards, whom he met as

1626
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 2: a teenager at the pool where he was a lifeguard

1627
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 2: way back in nineteen fifty eight. He would later say,

1628
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: I had three sons by the time I was twenty two,

1629
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,919
Speaker 2: so I had to grow up very fast. As reported

1630
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 2: by e T Canada, the famed bigamist and Edwards separated

1631
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: briefly in nineteen eighty one, but married again less than

1632
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 2: a year later. They would part for good following the

1633
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 2: film of Crocodile Dundee. It was but one of the

1634
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,839
Speaker 2: downsides of Hogan's experience. It became a very public divorce,

1635
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 2: with the media depicting Hogan rightfully so, as abandoning his family.

1636
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 2: But Hogan wed Koslowski in a private ceremony in Australia

1637
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety at a mansion that he built as

1638
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 2: a wedding gift for his bride.

1639
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 1: That's cute.

1640
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 2: There were no rooms for his other three sons.

1641
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: Has there ever been a you know those marriages like

1642
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: Lizen Dick where they divorce and then they marry again.

1643
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: Has the second marriage to the same person ever stuck?

1644
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: I can't think of one. I don't care.

1645
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 2: The pair had a son named Chase, and they settled

1646
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, where they raised him together. Sadly, they

1647
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: split up in twenty thirteen, with Koslowski telling the Sydney

1648
01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 2: Morning Herald, Honestly, we just naturally grew apart. They would

1649
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 2: frequently say in interviews how little they had in common,

1650
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 2: but previously spuned his opposites attracting. She said, I lived

1651
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 2: in Paul's shadow for many, many years, and it's nice

1652
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 2: to feel my own light right now. The divorce was

1653
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 2: very amicable, with Hogan himself saying it was twenty wonder

1654
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 2: four years two or three that were sort of like

1655
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 2: worn out. I'm very flighty. A woman lasts for about

1656
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 2: a quarter of a century and then they get bored

1657
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 2: with me. That's medium funny. He refused to characterize the

1658
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 2: nineteen year old marriage's a failure, saying how can you

1659
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 2: fail after a quarter of a century? Failed marriages are

1660
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 2: when two people stay together even though they have long

1661
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 2: ago lost interest. Kozlowski received a one off payment of

1662
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 2: six point twenty five million dollars and the right to

1663
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: remain living in their Venice Beach home for four years

1664
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 2: or until she remarried, which ever happened first. While Hogan,

1665
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 2: bless his heart, kept his eye on the prize, he

1666
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 2: retained his rights to Crocodile Dundee, the character, and the

1667
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: film company that produced the classic films.

1668
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: Australian actist Rebert Wilson said in recent years that she

1669
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: approached Paul Hogan to make a Crocodile Dundee reboot with

1670
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: her starring in the lead role. Obviously it would have

1671
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Paul Hogan in it in some way, she said, but

1672
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 1: he didn't want a female to play Crocodile Dundee. I

1673
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: think it's a travesty, as I think out of anyone

1674
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 1: in Australia. I'm the one most suited to do it.

1675
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 2: There's like, we're misreading all of these quots.

1676
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's yeah as Americans, and I think yeah.

1677
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain that there's some degree of sarcasm there,

1678
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 1: although she clearly did really want to do it. In

1679
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 1: January twenty eighteen, fans of Crocodile Dundee were excited to

1680
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,719
Speaker 1: see teasers that seemed to hint at a new sequel.

1681
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 1: This was followed by an expensive and extensive ad at

1682
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl featuring Danny McBride, Chris Hemsworth and Paul

1683
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: Hogan himself. The trailer light clip fooled many into believing

1684
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,759
Speaker 1: that there was something bigger in the works, but instead

1685
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:55,480
Speaker 1: it was merely a twenty seven million dollar ad campaign

1686
01:32:55,960 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 1: designed to revitalize Australian tourism. Australia's Minister for Trade, Tourism

1687
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: and Investment, the Honorable Steven Siabo, told Tourism Australia this

1688
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: is the single largest investment Tourism Australia has ever made

1689
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: in the US market. The ad campaign had another result,

1690
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:17,679
Speaker 1: pissing off Crocodile Dundee super fans. According to Slate. Many

1691
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: people wish the reboot was real, with some fans even

1692
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: banding together to sign a petition. The Daily Mail reported

1693
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 1: that Paul Hogan had no plans to make another Crocodile

1694
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Dundee movie. He told The Today Show It's not gonna happen.

1695
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 1: But you know, for all we've said about Australia over

1696
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: the course of this episode, I find a certain degree

1697
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: of sweetness in Mick Crocodile Dundee. Yeah.

1698
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 2: I mean, the ways in which you can point out

1699
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 2: the negativities are so cartoonish. But I also think this

1700
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 2: movie is very funny. Paul Hogan is an incredibly charming man.

1701
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 2: He might be not good at sketch comedy, but he's

1702
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:04,639
Speaker 2: very charming. Readily, uh things I do for nineteen eighty

1703
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:08,520
Speaker 2: never mind. And like I said again, man, every Australian

1704
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,600
Speaker 2: I've ever met has just been a delight, you know,

1705
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 2: sometimes a delight that would result in astounding hangovers for me,

1706
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 2: but a delight nonetheless. So please don't take my taking

1707
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 2: the piss of them for off them, taking the piss

1708
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 2: of them, taking the piss from them, from them, I'll

1709
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 2: go from them, taking the piss to them, within them

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01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 2: of where.

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01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Is the piss and where can it be removed? How

1712
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: do you remove the piss? How do you take the

1713
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 1: piss off? Someone?

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01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 2: Catheter very quietly cath Yeah, Australia is great, you know,

1715
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 2: just like two of my favorite bands of all time

1716
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 2: and history of Lovely, lovely.

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01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 1: Charming people and great Barrier Reef fun movie.

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01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they got great reefs. Oh Royal Headache. I

1719
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,839
Speaker 2: forgot about Royal Headache. They're probably one of my favorite

1720
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 2: bands of the past ten years. Incredible punk band who

1721
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 2: I believe just broke up because they were Australian and

1722
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 2: the lead singer was like a moss. But I forgot

1723
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 2: about Royal Headache.

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01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 1: Great band. Uh you got a kicker? I write a kicker. Okay.

1725
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 1: So I'd like to leave you with this quote from

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01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: Paul Hogan. He talked about how kind of disturbed he

1727
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 1: was that people in the US saw his character as

1728
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: they cross between Chuck Norris and Rambo, but for him

1729
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: this really wasn't the heart of his creation. He said,

1730
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: when Crocodile Dundee was due to be released, the movie

1731
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: scene is screaming out for a movie hero who doesn't

1732
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 1: kill seventy five people less of those commandos, terminators, ex

1733
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 1: terminators and squashers. Makes a good role model. There's no

1734
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 1: malice in the fellow and he's human. He's not a

1735
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 1: whimp or a sissy just because he doesn't kill people.

1736
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 1: And you know, from an Australian, that's as much as

1737
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a kidding.

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01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I also think it's funny where he's like,

1739
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, Americans just thought of me as a

1740
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 2: cross between you know, Robert Redford and Bruce Lee and

1741
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 2: Sylvester Saloone, Arn't Schwarzenegger, Ronald Reagan, Marilyn Monroe, James Dean,

1742
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 2: Marlon Brando, Ned Kelly, Ned Kelly, three of the four

1743
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 2: guys on Mount Rushmore.

1744
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:26,560
Speaker 1: At least two of the Beatles.

1745
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 2: The's two of the Beatles. Sure, yeah, yeah, Elvis Presley's

1746
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 2: bass player, Jerry Lee Lewis's bass player that he shot

1747
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 2: in the chest. But I didn't think of myself that way.

1748
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 2: Australians hit me up.

1749
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: You're hilarious.

1750
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 2: I love you. I'll get drunk with you anytime this week.

1751
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 2: I'm Alex Hegel.

1752
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: And I'm Jordan run Tag. We'll catch you next time.

1753
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 1: Too much Information was a production of iHeartRadio.

1754
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 2: The show's executive producers.

1755
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: Are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtalk. The show's supervising producer

1756
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: is Michael Alder. June.

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01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,879
Speaker 2: The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan Rundogg

1758
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel.

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01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and a ghost Funk orchestra.

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01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:10,479
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