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Speaker 2: out East on Thursday, July ninth, in the home run
Speaker 2: Derby excited to talk about that. We also crusted interesting
Speaker 2: conversation on the call up that I want to bring
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Speaker 2: spend about ten minutes on that, figuring out the three
Speaker 2: to five year plan for a team that has a
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Speaker 2: arm had a great idea about checking in on the
Speaker 2: player and club options for twenty twenty seven. So the
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Speaker 2: and Peyton Genis mentioned that this is a ball knower's derby.
Speaker 2: This is a ball Knower's Derby. The confirmed participants that
Speaker 2: we have in the last twenty four hours Jack cagleone
Speaker 2: of the Kansas City Royals, Jordan Walker of the Saint
Speaker 2: Louis Cardinals, and Wilson Contreras of the Boston Red Sox.
Speaker 2: They join already confirmed Junior Camonaro of the Tampa Bay
Speaker 2: Rays and Ben Rice of the New York Yankees. So
Speaker 2: three more spots yet to be filled. But this group
Speaker 2: of five, with CAGs and Walker being the two notable
Speaker 2: recent additions, this has the chance to be a special,
Speaker 2: special Derby.
Speaker 3: As you're saying that the home run that Junior Cammonaro
Speaker 3: just hit off of Paul Blackburn is absolutely insane, Guys,
Speaker 3: people are listening to this. You will see it somewhere.
Speaker 3: It's it's like a slider that was never a strike
Speaker 3: above the top of the zone and then slid across
Speaker 3: away from him and he tomahawked it right center and
Speaker 3: it got out on the absolute line. I've never I
Speaker 3: don't know if I've ever seen somebody hit a slider
Speaker 3: that like a sweeper, basically that high, moving that much
Speaker 3: horizontally out at that angle. He is the best bad
Speaker 3: ball hitter in Major League Baseball. And now I think,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's close Junior Camenarao, And that's not
Speaker 3: a good derby. Actually that is a good derby skill.
Speaker 3: When your pitcher's losing it, you can still just keep
Speaker 3: ripping them out.
Speaker 2: Of the yard, I think so. And yeah, like it's
Speaker 2: funny to see that title we passed from Rafael Devers
Speaker 2: to Junior Camentaro. But this title has officially been passed
Speaker 2: from Raffei Devers to Cammonaro. Devers is inching closer to
Speaker 2: thirty years old. I feel like you have to be
Speaker 2: young to do that. And Cavin Arow is a fresh
Speaker 2: twenty three years old. And what's so much fun about
Speaker 2: this field in particular, and Junior Cammentaro is, you know,
Speaker 2: top of the food chain as it pertains to power is.
Speaker 2: You can take a peek at the bat speed leader
Speaker 2: boards and man, there are so many guys that are
Speaker 2: top dogs in terms of bat speed here, and it
Speaker 2: is just ridiculous to see what they are doing. Junior
Speaker 2: Camentaro is the hardest swinger in Major League baseball. Jordan
Speaker 2: Walker is the second hard swing in Major League baseball.
Speaker 2: Jack cagleone is at seventh, Wilson Contreras is a tenth.
Speaker 2: It's just amazing to see. And I'm excited for the
Speaker 2: stat cast elements that are going to make their way
Speaker 2: into the home run derby broadcast, by the way, on Netflix. Reminder,
Speaker 2: it's not on ESPN anymore. It's on Netflix. So excited
Speaker 2: to see what that derby looks like on Netflix. But man,
Speaker 2: I mean they are leaning into it. Seems like modern
Speaker 2: criteria to select these guys, and I think Common Arrow
Speaker 2: is the gold standard. And if you're with us on YouTube,
Speaker 2: this is another look at that Common Arrow home run,
Speaker 2: not only flirting with the ray tank in right center
Speaker 2: field that was very close to being a possible splash down,
Speaker 2: but you're right, that was a Frisbee sweeper that stayed
Speaker 2: about letter high the whole entire time. He reached for
Speaker 2: a pitch, a ball above the zone and a ball
Speaker 2: outside the zone and shot it out to right center,
Speaker 2: just to the right of the ray tank. He is
Speaker 2: a special human being in the batter's box.
Speaker 4: This is why I loved it.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think this is the interesting part.
Speaker 3: And I think the great part about this derby and
Speaker 3: where baseball's at in general, is you're gonna have I
Speaker 3: think the Derby's transcendent, right, That's one of baseball's events
Speaker 3: that reels people in that may not even watch baseball
Speaker 3: very much. And if you are a football basketball fan
Speaker 3: who rarely checks in on baseball, which I think is
Speaker 3: a lot of people that still watch the derby, you
Speaker 3: may not be as familiar with with some.
Speaker 4: Of these players.
Speaker 3: I always really struggle with this, by the way, because
Speaker 3: we're so deep in it that I don't really know
Speaker 3: sometimes who are the players that people shouldn't or shouldn't know.
Speaker 3: But I'd imagine like even a Jack cag leone, like,
Speaker 3: how familiar are you going to be with him at
Speaker 3: this point? Jordan Walker, he's been great this year, But like,
Speaker 3: if you're a Knicks fan who doesn't like baseball that much,
Speaker 3: no way you know who Jordan Walker is, right, So,
Speaker 3: and I think on the surface, people might be like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's like the dunk contest right like, it's none of
Speaker 3: the stars do it anymore. These are the guys the
Speaker 3: baseball people want, and I think when you watch the Derby,
Speaker 3: when that you know, non base ball fan watches the Derby,
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna realize that really quickly because you're
Speaker 3: gonna see these dudes doing things that like you're gonna
Speaker 3: remember back to other Derbies that you've watched and be like,
Speaker 3: these guys are different, these guys are crazy.
Speaker 4: And then there's always gonna be providing the context.
Speaker 3: By the way, kemen Aro has the most home runs
Speaker 3: by a player age twenty three since this, and Jordan
Speaker 3: Walker is having one of the best seasons that we've
Speaker 3: seen f I Cardinals since this, and people are gonna
Speaker 3: be like, wow, baseball has a lot of young talent,
Speaker 3: And that's why I love this set up and where
Speaker 3: we're at with the Derbies. Of course, I want to
Speaker 3: see Mike Trout doing whatever, but I'm cool with this,
Speaker 3: and I think this is what we like ultimately is
Speaker 3: the best way to really showcase the talent that baseball has,
Speaker 3: but also where the sport has come to, where these
Speaker 3: guys are doing things on the field and hitting the
Speaker 3: ball with such veracity that like we have never really
Speaker 3: seen or at least not to this kind of like
Speaker 3: consistency across several different players, And I love that they
Speaker 3: are pursuing the stat cast darlings. Those are the guys
Speaker 3: that are going to make it translate in these types
Speaker 3: of events. It's it's not just game power, it's you
Speaker 3: need the raw power. And these are some of the
Speaker 3: guys that are the best in that department.
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent and so excited for it. I
Speaker 2: also want to bring up kind of the comp to
Speaker 2: the Dunk Contest, because I understand that the Dunk Contest
Speaker 2: has lost its fastball, and you've got guys that the
Speaker 2: even casual NBA fan has never once heard of, like
Speaker 2: guys in the NBA. I know, I know. And the
Speaker 2: thing is, like, you could be pro McClung, but this
Speaker 2: is not mac McClung participating. Mac McClung participating would be
Speaker 2: Matt Waller being in the home run derby, which would
Speaker 2: be kind of fun. He would hit the ball very,
Speaker 2: very far, but at the end of the day, like
Speaker 2: he's not the best participant. The best participants are guys
Speaker 2: that do this consistently. Honestly, I think that the Jordan
Speaker 2: Walker and the Jack cagleone selections are akin to the
Speaker 2: Aaron Gordon Zach Levine selections with another contest because they're
Speaker 2: not all stars, like I mean, Walker is. Walker's totally
Speaker 2: an all Star. Kaglion could be an All Star at
Speaker 2: some point. Aaron Gordon and Zach Levine were very good
Speaker 2: NBA players. They were not All Star players, but they
Speaker 2: were the gift. They were the most gifted dunkers on
Speaker 2: the planet, and we got to see them do what
Speaker 2: they did best. And that is the opportunity that presents
Speaker 2: right now with a guy like Kamon Arrow, with a
Speaker 2: guy like Kaglion, and a guy like Walker, who again
Speaker 2: is young, this leans into the youth movement. Kaglione is
Speaker 2: what twenty three years old, Cavin Arrow's twenty three years old.
Speaker 2: Walker just turned twenty four two months ago, and Jordan
Speaker 2: Walker is pacing the National League in RBIs at seventy.
Speaker 2: He's got an eight to ninety oh ps, he's hitting
Speaker 2: two ninety four, and he's got twenty one home runs
Speaker 2: to go along with that. He's a huge human being
Speaker 2: that never really tapped into his true full potential until
Speaker 2: his age twenty four season. You have guys on the
Speaker 2: top one hundred prospects that are twenty four years old,
Speaker 2: like Jordan Walker is the age of some top one
Speaker 2: hundred prospects, and he is a tried and failed big leaguer.
Speaker 2: And what Walker has done on non fast this year,
Speaker 2: this is courtesy of our friends at Inside Edge, Thank
Speaker 2: you very much, Peyton. He's slugging five to fifty on
Speaker 2: non fastballs. It's a top three mark in the National League.
Speaker 2: He's also killing the ball when it's in the strike zone.
Speaker 2: He's got to slug over six hundred when it's in
Speaker 2: the strike zone, which is top ten in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a really fun element to the
Speaker 2: Just Baseball Show, getting our Inside Edge stuff going on here.
Speaker 3: What I love about Walker too, and with the sit
Speaker 3: with the rules adjusting back to the outside of things,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter as much, but it still does matter,
Speaker 3: is that he doesn't need to go like max effort
Speaker 3: swing and you're seeing, like on the video right now
Speaker 3: for those that are watching on YouTube, a lot of
Speaker 3: these home runs and a lot of the reason why
Speaker 3: Walker's been so successful in breaking balls this year is
Speaker 3: that he wroes. I don't need to get my A
Speaker 3: swing off all the time. I just need to be
Speaker 3: able to hold my backside just long enough. And even
Speaker 3: if it's a one arm swing, I am so strong
Speaker 3: that I can flick a ball over the left field
Speaker 3: wall as long as I keep myself in a position
Speaker 3: and I keep my bat at the right angle to
Speaker 3: be able to backspin it.
Speaker 4: And and that's what we've seen with Walker.
Speaker 3: Instead of hitting it really hard straight into the ground,
Speaker 3: he's able to maintain his pasture a little bit more,
Speaker 3: maintain the batpath and like his B swing is still
Speaker 3: going to be on a line out into left field
Speaker 3: if he has the right angle.
Speaker 4: And and that's what I think is gonna help him
Speaker 4: in the derby.
Speaker 3: And also this is another guy that moves the bat,
Speaker 3: as you know, as elite as anybody in the game,
Speaker 3: as you alluded to, so having Walker in here with
Speaker 3: it and to me, it's it's not the A plus
Speaker 3: swings in the derby, Like you want to see those
Speaker 3: guys get some of those off, but it's also as
Speaker 3: you start to fatigue a little bit, need to the end,
Speaker 3: you want to just be able to start to get
Speaker 3: in that mode where it's just Homer, Homer, Homer, and
Speaker 3: then you know you can, you can let loose a
Speaker 3: little bit here and there. That's what I think makes
Speaker 3: it so fun is I think common Arrow is built
Speaker 3: that way. I think Tags is built that way. I
Speaker 3: think Walker is built that way. I we'll do like
Speaker 3: predictions and stuff like that. As we get the whole field.
Speaker 3: We still have three spots to go right that haven. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I wonder what they're gonna be. I love how they
Speaker 3: roll it out kind of slowly too right now. I
Speaker 3: Tags is like the easy one to gravitate towards. But
Speaker 3: he moves so much with his swing and his lower
Speaker 3: half's very involved. I could see him kind of fatiguing.
Speaker 3: I like Walker so far. I didn't skin of my guy.
Speaker 2: I like Junior.
Speaker 3: I think this is what Yeah, Junior is impossible. It's chocky,
Speaker 3: I feel like, but it is Jockey for a reason.
Speaker 2: The only one that I look at here and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, I don't think you really have a shot
Speaker 2: is Wilson Contrere's. And I'm kind of done doubting Wilson
Speaker 2: Contreres because he's always proved me wrong. He was an
Speaker 2: old rookie. He's on the other side of thirty. I'm
Speaker 2: just thinking, you know what, the young guys are gonna
Speaker 2: get him. My eyes go to Rice pretty quickly, but
Speaker 2: I'm just like, everything's coming up, Junior. But you can't
Speaker 2: count anybody out.
Speaker 3: That's what makes it so fun. Do you have any
Speaker 3: guess from who the final three could be?
Speaker 2: Probably Jazz Chisholm, Yeah, Redemption Arc Yeah, he had what
Speaker 2: three he had three in his round? Was that last
Speaker 2: year two years ago?
Speaker 4: That was last year? I think that was last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said what he wasn't trying right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was something was some sort of brutal Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he wasn't. I forget what it was exactly, but not great.
Speaker 4: Can we see yord On in this thing? I hope,
Speaker 4: so that would be a really cool one. Do you
Speaker 4: have like a wish list?
Speaker 3: Oh, Tani is the obvious one, but like we saw,
Speaker 3: he did it the one time and it didn't go
Speaker 3: that well and it was at Cores, which is crazy,
Speaker 3: And I just wonder if we'll just probably never see that.
Speaker 3: Is there someone that like jumps out to you that
Speaker 3: you would just would love to see in the setting
Speaker 3: that maybe we haven't already.
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel we're saving the Schwarber announcement.
Speaker 2: Obviously you would think so already said no, which stinks.
Speaker 2: I wish we got Kerts in this.
Speaker 4: He's kind of slumping. I guess I get it.
Speaker 2: The other one that jumps out Goodman in Colorado. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind seeing Hunter Goodman swing it.
Speaker 4: But I feel like Schwarber is a must in this thing.
Speaker 2: Schwarber's a must. Schwarber's gonna be the last one announced.
Speaker 2: It has to be.
Speaker 4: And then that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I know he's older, but Schwarber with the with the
Speaker 3: bank behind him, like, yeah, that makes it. That might
Speaker 3: set the clock back. He's six years younger. Just pure
Speaker 3: adrenaline with the that's going to be electric and Harper
Speaker 3: like do they both do it?
Speaker 2: I don't know, could see that happening. The other one
Speaker 2: that I keep on coming to his medals and I
Speaker 2: love watching medals and swing a bad man. It would
Speaker 2: be a ton of fun to watch medals and participate
Speaker 2: in this derby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's he's he's he did it one other time.
Speaker 3: I think he was great with it too, Like he's
Speaker 3: another really fun one. He's just in another home run today.
Speaker 3: We got a lot of good options, but I think
Speaker 3: this is going to be a really good Derby and
Speaker 3: I feel like it's in a good spot. I'm just
Speaker 3: curious to see how the rule adjustments go. And then
Speaker 3: I'm also curious the new broadcast. I'm excited for it
Speaker 3: because it's going to be different, and different is good
Speaker 3: because I've just been begging to see the ball flight
Speaker 3: for like a while. Now the new format is going
Speaker 3: to allow for that. But at new Formatflix, when it's
Speaker 3: one of the few MLB items they have this year,
Speaker 3: they've been probably spending the last six months figuring out
Speaker 3: how they can make the derby as perfect as possible
Speaker 3: instead of it being one of the many line items
Speaker 3: that ESPN.
Speaker 4: Had in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And I thought I thought that their presentation
Speaker 2: of Opening Day was special, like it was. It felt
Speaker 2: like a huge, huge ballgame Yankees giants to open up
Speaker 2: the season on Netflix. So excited to see what Netflix
Speaker 2: can do with the home run Derby. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: with the ESPN, I was just begging for Bourman to
Speaker 2: be back and just dropping random suburbs of Philadelphia and
Speaker 2: we never got that. So it's time to push forward
Speaker 2: with new delivery on Netflix, so we'll see how that goes.
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Speaker 2: What the heck do the Dodgers do in the outfield?
Speaker 2: And you could be sitting here and saying, Jack, why
Speaker 2: are you bringing this up? They're the best team in baseball.
Speaker 2: They just gave Kyle Tucker a four year deal. I'm
Speaker 2: bringing it up because it's literally the most first world
Speaker 2: problem we've seen in baseball in the last couple of decades.
Speaker 2: What they have cooking in the minor leagues with three
Speaker 2: outfielders that are in the upper miners already is unbelievable,
Speaker 2: and they have more in the lower levels of the
Speaker 2: minor leagues as well. Mike Serota is on a seventy
Speaker 2: game on base streak, yep post Sway Depaula is one
Speaker 2: of the best hitters in Minor league baseball. Zayer Hope.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Homard yesterday to get the Ops to nine
Speaker 2: hundred in Double A, and Eduardo Kintaro is a twenty
Speaker 2: year old outfielder in High A right now. And Charles
Speaker 2: Davila looks like one of the better back to ball
Speaker 2: like well rounded hitters in the lower levels of the
Speaker 2: minor leagues right now. They have five top seventy prospects
Speaker 2: on just Baseball's Top one hundred in the outfield, and
Speaker 2: Andy pa Hayes is blossomed into one of the best
Speaker 2: center fielders in Major League baseball. Kyle Tucker is on
Speaker 2: year one of a four year, sixty million dollars a
Speaker 2: year contract and Taoscar Hernandez will be gone at seasons en.
Speaker 2: That's abundantly clear. So they clear up one space, they
Speaker 2: might need to clear up two. How do you see
Speaker 2: it when you look into your crystal ball? The five
Speaker 2: year plan for the La Dodgers in the outfield.
Speaker 4: It is the most fascinating iving story.
Speaker 3: The only reason why it's not being discussed a little
Speaker 3: bit more is because, like you mentioned, it's the first
Speaker 3: world problem in the Dodgers. No one wants to talk
Speaker 3: about the next wave of Dodgers' talent.
Speaker 4: After you know the high paid Dodgers talent, the parts.
Speaker 3: But this group is unbelievable and the thing I won't
Speaker 3: hear like And this is the last time I'll bring
Speaker 3: it up because I just know that this is going
Speaker 3: to get clipped out and then people are going to
Speaker 3: respond to be like, oh, working over time to juice
Speaker 3: up the Dodgers prospects again. The Tulsa Drillers outfield's the
Speaker 3: best outfield of.
Speaker 4: Minor league baseball.
Speaker 3: You can ask any scout if you ever see a
Speaker 3: scattered game, go ask them and what they think about
Speaker 3: the the Tulsa Drillers outfielders, which is host way to
Speaker 3: Paula who is a consensus top fifteen prospect in baseball. Now,
Speaker 3: Zayer Hope, who is on an absolute ridiculous stretch and
Speaker 3: has been really really productive this year now, and then
Speaker 3: of course Mike Sirota who's been on Mason seventy straight games.
Speaker 3: You can play a high level center field and also
Speaker 3: has plus power and is averaging, you.
Speaker 4: Know, a ninety three to ninety four miles per average
Speaker 4: ex of velocity.
Speaker 3: And that's not even including Kintaro, who can also play
Speaker 3: a high level of center field, who, by the way,
Speaker 3: in his last fifty games at high A has a
Speaker 3: one seventy one WRC plus it's in three fifty five
Speaker 3: with one thousand and thirty two ops.
Speaker 4: And then he gets to Charles Davil and so on
Speaker 4: and so forth.
Speaker 3: My thing is, I get that there's been maybe some
Speaker 3: confirmation biased in the past where people get excited about
Speaker 3: it Dodgers prospect.
Speaker 4: He doesn't pan out.
Speaker 3: This ain't that this is extremely extremely rare prospect talent,
Speaker 3: all almost concentrated on one level. Gintaro has been so
Speaker 3: good he should be in Double A at this point
Speaker 3: like he had a slow start, cold weather, and now
Speaker 3: he's been one of the best hitters in the minor
Speaker 3: leagues at a twenty years old.
Speaker 4: He should be up at double. There's no room. There's
Speaker 4: nowhere to put him.
Speaker 3: Because you've got this trio up there. When I look
Speaker 3: at to Rode, I'm like, Okay, he looks like you've
Speaker 3: got Andy Paiees again in a way, And I know
Speaker 3: the skill sets a little bit different when you go
Speaker 3: to by tool, but in terms of the defensive upside,
Speaker 3: like you could be something close to that. The power
Speaker 3: is really shining through and everything beyond that. So Apollo
Speaker 3: looks like one of the best pure hitters in the
Speaker 3: minor leagues. It's not going to be a great defender,
Speaker 3: but he's gotten to a point where he's passable in
Speaker 3: the corner. He even gives you some sneaky value with
Speaker 3: the legs. And then hope is power, power power. Maybe
Speaker 3: the defense isn't going to be very good, but he
Speaker 3: can run a little bit and he's got a great arm,
Speaker 3: and it'll make it all work.
Speaker 4: I feel like you've got to move one of those guys.
Speaker 3: You'd think so, because Cantaro's behind and Avalance behind, like,
Speaker 3: and this might be like peak value for us for
Speaker 3: a Hope or a Sorota. I think you got to
Speaker 3: hold on to that guy. And DePaulo sounds like, by
Speaker 3: Katie Wu's reporting that he's untouchable for the most part,
Speaker 3: So what do you do?
Speaker 2: So the last couple conversations about block Dodger prospects that
Speaker 2: we've had, they've turned into really solid ballplayers at the
Speaker 2: major league level. Miguel Vargas was kind of the first
Speaker 2: Dodger prospect conversation that we had in the early stages
Speaker 2: of the call up. As you put like kind of
Speaker 2: positioned away and we started doing more and more prospect
Speaker 2: stuff as just baseball. The first long conversation we had
Speaker 2: about a Dodger prospect was Miguel Vargas. Vargas is an
Speaker 2: All Star now with the White Sox. Michael Bush was
Speaker 2: another one. It's like, how can you find this guy's
Speaker 2: at matts? Michael Bush now is in All Star caliber
Speaker 2: first baseman for the Chicago Cups. The next conversation we
Speaker 2: had was Dalton Rushing. How do you find it? That's
Speaker 2: for Dalton Rushing. Rushing has some interesting subplots so far
Speaker 2: in the Dodger season. But Dalton Rushing is a hell
Speaker 2: of a baseball player. And now we're having this conversation
Speaker 2: about other guys, and we didn't even mention the middling
Speaker 2: outfielders that they have. So I mentioned the three outfielders
Speaker 2: that they're running out pretty much every day at the
Speaker 2: major league level, right, Kyle Tucker and right, Taascar Hernandez
Speaker 2: and left, and the all star Andy Pahes in centerfield.
Speaker 2: Alex call is their fourth outfielder. Alex Calls a legit
Speaker 2: good fourth outfielder in Major League baseball. Their Triple A
Speaker 2: depth the thing keeping de Paula, Serota Hope, and mind
Speaker 2: you Kendall George, who stole one hundred bases last year
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues with Double A Tulsa. It's a
Speaker 2: four dep outfield in Double A right now. The reason
Speaker 2: none of them are in Oklahoma City is because the
Speaker 2: outfield there is James Tibbs, It's Alec Thomas who they
Speaker 2: picked up. It's Ryan Ward, and it's Jack Swinsky. Now
Speaker 2: Siwinsky's not on the forty man like. They can move
Speaker 2: off of Thomas and Sewinsky when they see fit. Hell,
Speaker 2: they could probably get something for Ryan Ward, but they
Speaker 2: are so backlocked in the outfield where it's hard to
Speaker 2: even figure out a way to like push the priority
Speaker 2: guys up to Triple A Oklahoma City because you have
Speaker 2: enough intrigue in the Triple A outfield right now, it's
Speaker 2: so convoluted and to your point, it almost feels like
Speaker 2: you're obligated to swing big somewhere else on the roster
Speaker 2: and use your outfield surplus to do it. And there's
Speaker 2: a world where like, Okay, Hope can lead a package,
Speaker 2: but you want Alec Thomas too. You want TIBs where
Speaker 2: like we can depart with three or four outfielders that
Speaker 2: have legit intrigue for a front line, front line guy.
Speaker 2: If Schoopl's getting moved, he's going to LA like that,
Speaker 2: that's my coming away with that. I understand that Atlanta
Speaker 2: could be in the mix. I understand that Milwaukee could
Speaker 2: be in the mix. If schools getting moved because of
Speaker 2: what LA has, he's going to Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: Well, and here's the funny thing is, because I think
Speaker 3: that's how every other front office is looking at it.
Speaker 3: I think you probably have a situation where the Dodgers
Speaker 3: are saying, well, we don't want to set the market again,
Speaker 3: and like this, especially this year, we don't want to
Speaker 3: set the market. There's not that many good rentals out there.
Speaker 3: Besides Schooble, we have the most prospects. We're the team
Speaker 3: that you know you're not going to when we try
Speaker 3: to say, hey, we don't want to take on that.
Speaker 4: Salary, you're not going to buy that.
Speaker 3: So it's one of those instances where I can see,
Speaker 3: you know, Friedman and co. Just kind of playing KOI
Speaker 3: because until the eleventh hour, because they don't want to
Speaker 3: set this freaking market.
Speaker 4: And I thought the KDI will.
Speaker 3: Report, and I think there's validity to it, of course,
Speaker 3: like I think this is obviously she's one of the
Speaker 3: best in the BIS. But I also think some of
Speaker 3: it is probably the Dodgers like posturing a little bit,
Speaker 3: saying that they want to trade high upside or they
Speaker 3: want to trade some of their outfields chrip plus for
Speaker 3: high upside minor league talents, like like a rare prospect
Speaker 3: for prospect trade That.
Speaker 4: Sounds really fun.
Speaker 3: Those twos are really hard to come by because I
Speaker 3: know more about my prospect and you know more about
Speaker 3: your prospect, and we're going to value our prospects.
Speaker 4: I've talked to be about this.
Speaker 3: And like, that's why they don't happen very much, because
Speaker 3: you're wondering what they might know about their prospect that
Speaker 3: you don't know, and they're wondering the same thing about
Speaker 3: your guy.
Speaker 4: Because it's just tougher, the information is not as.
Speaker 2: Ry and sometimes and sometimes it turns into a Nick
Speaker 2: York and Quinn Priester trade where it looks incredibly lopsided
Speaker 2: a year later.
Speaker 3: And to build on that, are you going to want
Speaker 3: to go high upside prospect for high upside prospects swap
Speaker 3: with the Dodgers who have the most scouts and the
Speaker 3: most help and all these different I don't know if
Speaker 3: I want.
Speaker 4: To do that.
Speaker 3: So they don't want to set the market, but they
Speaker 3: also are going to be in a spot there well,
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's gonna want to make that trade
Speaker 3: with them, and it becomes a very fascinating situation. You
Speaker 3: also don't want to put yourself in a spot though,
Speaker 3: where the Dotters at the end of the day, they're
Speaker 3: very calculated and just because they they can doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: mean they will. And that's the one part that's really
Speaker 3: interesting because like, if it's Hope plus for a rental,
Speaker 3: Schooble like, yeah, you could go do it, but maybe
Speaker 3: it doesn't fit what they, you know, see, value wise,
Speaker 3: and maybe it's just too out there.
Speaker 4: The reality is they can do whatever they want to me.
Speaker 3: I feel like Hope, as much as I love him,
Speaker 3: is the odd man out, because to Paula is just
Speaker 3: I think, on a different level in terms of the
Speaker 3: likelihood of transitioning into major league Baseball and having this
Speaker 3: success because of the hit tool and then also the
Speaker 3: power still just continuing to burgeon for him. And then
Speaker 3: with Sarota, he's a center fielder and I know you
Speaker 3: have one, but there's just so much more value to that,
Speaker 3: and then you get the power and the speed as well.
Speaker 3: And it feel as like, if there's someone that's gonna go,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be Hope. But even at that point, you
Speaker 3: have Cantaro behind who looks like he's gonna be a
Speaker 3: guy that can move through the minor leagues very quickly.
Speaker 3: You laid out all the other kind of surrounding pieces
Speaker 3: as well, and going into next year you presume, okay,
Speaker 3: you move on from taoscar Does that just kind of
Speaker 3: open the door right away for to Paula think witha
Speaker 3: so you just let him go destroy trip away until
Speaker 3: you know something happens. That's where it's just it becomes
Speaker 3: really fascinating and you might have you cross the bridge
Speaker 3: when he there, but you might have a huge like
Speaker 3: blocked prospect problem.
Speaker 2: Again, and the Otani dilemma exists because of course you
Speaker 2: want Shoho Tani on your roster. But the modern way
Speaker 2: to use the DH spot is kind of is kind
Speaker 2: of a revolving door of Okay, this outfielder doesn't really
Speaker 2: have in everyday spot or this first basement doesn't really
Speaker 2: have in everyday spot, and you can have four different
Speaker 2: guys DH depending on the day. That's how again, ten
Speaker 2: lineups around Major League Baseball are looking at the designated hitter.
Speaker 2: The Dodgers don't have that luxury, but they do have
Speaker 2: the luxury of having the greatest player to ever play
Speaker 2: this game as their everyday DH moving forward. So it's
Speaker 2: it's really really hard. And the thing that I guess
Speaker 2: I keep thinking of at the big league level because
Speaker 2: Tucker's immovable. You're not gonna move Kyle Tucker. You just
Speaker 2: gave him two hundred and forty million dollars over four years, yes,
Speaker 2: clear cut. Let taoskar walk thank him for his services,
Speaker 2: and then Depaula comes up or Serota comes up, whichever
Speaker 2: guy like really kicks down the door. He plays left field.
Speaker 2: How long is Andy pai Haes going to be the
Speaker 2: center fielder for the Dodgers? You think ten years or
Speaker 2: you think three more, and then he's off and running, like.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do they let someone else pay Andy Payes. It's kind
Speaker 2: of similar to the Seeger conversation. They let somebody else
Speaker 2: pay Corey Seeger and the Dodgers ran into a shortstop
Speaker 2: issue for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which which was a surprising part because I think
Speaker 3: to your point, by the time that Payes would be
Speaker 3: hitting free agency, you would have clarity on if Mike
Speaker 3: sirod as a big leaguer or not, you know, if
Speaker 3: it's all going to translate to the big leagues. Of course,
Speaker 3: he looks by all indications, looks like a big leaguer.
Speaker 3: We're talking about the guy that is running an average
Speaker 3: egs of velosity of ninety four miles per hour and
Speaker 3: is chasing it an eleven percent clip and his guy
Speaker 3: on base seventy straight times.
Speaker 4: Most way to Paula the same story.
Speaker 3: Right, Like we're talking about a guy that has in
Speaker 3: a one thousand OPS against fastballs, a nine to sixty
Speaker 3: ops against breaking balls, and an eight hundred ops against
Speaker 3: change ups and splitters, ninety two miles per hour average
Speaker 3: its velocity as well for Depolo, who by the way,
Speaker 3: just turned twenty one and still has more room for strength,
Speaker 3: it has already made a mechanical adjustment to improve against secondaries.
Speaker 3: I think that's the way they line it up here
Speaker 3: is you have the clear spot for Depola next year
Speaker 3: or like at some point next year to get up
Speaker 3: there and help them and on the minimum, and then
Speaker 3: you have Saroda as like the air apparent if you
Speaker 3: don't want to pay pies. If Soroda gets up there
Speaker 3: and you know there's always ways to find that Batchum
Speaker 3: gets there up there and struggles and you don't.
Speaker 4: Feel like you have that air apparent, but you also
Speaker 4: have Cantaro behind.
Speaker 3: I think there's just a world where and I'm always
Speaker 3: believer in taking the bird in hand, and after saying
Speaker 3: I'll see a big leaguer, established big league, established base
Speaker 3: borderline all star. We got these young guys like that's
Speaker 3: usually going to be a recipe for failure, especially for
Speaker 3: a team that's perpetually in.
Speaker 4: World Series mode.
Speaker 3: But when you've got the two irons in the fire
Speaker 3: of Kintaro and Sooda, I think by the time that
Speaker 3: Pahes is getting ready for free agency, I think those
Speaker 3: guys will prove to the Dodgers that they've gotten enough Internally.
Speaker 2: It's so cool, it's it's a crappy conversation for twenty
Speaker 2: nine other fan bases to hear. But if you love
Speaker 2: baseball and you love watching dominance from young are or
Speaker 2: from young outfielders, and you love watching kind of the
Speaker 2: best churn through and how the best become the best,
Speaker 2: the Dodger conversation is a unicorn of a conversation. It
Speaker 2: just seems like they're running a different race at point.
Speaker 3: And this is you know, Eduardo Cantaro signed for three
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars as an international free agent.
Speaker 4: Apaulo was a bigger ticket guy.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know, you could have
Speaker 3: signed with any team and anyone could have picked him up.
Speaker 4: So Rota was slipped too far in the draft.
Speaker 3: Every team could have picked him almost three times, and
Speaker 3: then the team that did pick them traded him for
Speaker 3: that much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's parody issues that you can, you know, lean
Speaker 3: towards when it comes to the payer, But like this
Speaker 3: conversation in totality has nothing to do with that. And
Speaker 3: that's why, you know, the Dodgers are also the gold
Speaker 3: standard on the other side of things too, And it's
Speaker 3: fun to just watch the way that their their talent
Speaker 3: makes its way to the major leagues. The thing that's
Speaker 3: most fascinating to me is watching who they do identify
Speaker 3: as that piece for them, because it is so hard
Speaker 3: to crack that big leagu roster and what they do
Speaker 3: with the pieces that maybe they don't identify. Like if
Speaker 3: they can pull off that prospect for prospect deal, what
Speaker 3: kind of picture, what kind of other player would zayre
Speaker 3: Hope would they be?
Speaker 4: Okay? Part of it?
Speaker 3: Is it two really interesting prospects? Is it a picture
Speaker 3: in triple A? Is it a picture on high A
Speaker 3: with crazy stuff?
Speaker 4: Like? That's where I love to see their process because
Speaker 4: their process is as good as anybody's.
Speaker 2: They moved Michael Bush and Yencio Monte for Zayre Hope
Speaker 2: and Jackson Ferris, and Ferris had the makings of a
Speaker 2: top one hundred prospect for quite a while there. So,
Speaker 2: I mean that tells you if they are going to
Speaker 2: make a move with some of these unproven commodities but
Speaker 2: exciting commodities, you better know who you're dealing with. And
Speaker 2: everybody talks about not trading with the Rays. If they're
Speaker 2: gonna make these tenC tiny moves, stop trying to trade
Speaker 2: with the Dodgers. Sirwinowski's in that Dodger system now, right.
Speaker 2: He was like kind of an under the radar piece
Speaker 2: of the puzzle last year and Fiducial made his way
Speaker 2: to Tampa one.
Speaker 3: I mean, Hope was like a middle round pick, that
Speaker 3: back half of the draft pick, and you know they
Speaker 3: identified him. Arris was supposedly the headliner, right and he
Speaker 3: struggled down triple A a little bit, but he's still twenty
Speaker 3: two and it's the PCL.
Speaker 4: But with Hope, now they cash in on him.
Speaker 3: It's like that's gonna be a fun trade web as
Speaker 3: well to just continue to watch.
Speaker 4: But his values going up and up and again.
Speaker 2: The Cubs are happy with Bush, but the Dodgers, they
Speaker 2: just opened up a whole new world of opportunities for
Speaker 2: themselves with that trade. All right, we're gonna get to
Speaker 2: a notable player and club options that are coming up
Speaker 2: at the end of the twenty twenty sixth season. We've
Speaker 2: already heard from Hampton Farms. Arm I kind of want
Speaker 2: you to guide us through like notable players that have
Speaker 2: player options for next year club options for next year.
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Speaker 2: so much fun. All right, Let's get to the player
Speaker 2: and the club options that are coming up at the
Speaker 2: conclusion of the twenty twenty six season are canvas is
Speaker 2: yours take us where you want to go. You want
Speaker 2: to go guys with player options and then guys with
Speaker 2: club options.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's start with the players, because I think that
Speaker 3: the clubs are a little bit more cut and dry
Speaker 3: for the most part this year. I want to start
Speaker 3: with the one that like seems like a no brainer.
Speaker 3: But with the reports that just like and you can
Speaker 3: take it with a grain of salt, but the general
Speaker 3: reports that Bobashet could want to potentially opt out. I
Speaker 3: just want to revisit this because we've talked about it briefly,
Speaker 3: but through a whole segment here. Let's just go through
Speaker 3: the scenarios here, because the immediate reaction by everybody was, no,
Speaker 3: he's not how could you opt out of that deal?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: It's you'd be opting out of two years, seventy nine
Speaker 3: million dollars. Now he would be entering free agency again
Speaker 3: at age twenty nine. But even if he sprints through
Speaker 3: the finish line, which I think he will, he's sprinting
Speaker 3: right now. With the way that Bishet has been playing,
Speaker 3: I don't know if he necessarily increased his value by
Speaker 3: getting a year older, right Like, I don't I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's gonna do it.
Speaker 4: I do think that in one side.
Speaker 3: Of it, though, you could argue that he has proven
Speaker 3: capable of, you know, playing a solid third base, which
Speaker 3: I do think helps his case, and proven to just
Speaker 3: be able to get by at short stoup when he
Speaker 3: was there, which we already know, like he's not going
Speaker 3: to be good there, but he's not going to be
Speaker 3: a total total my ability like he's been through other stretches.
Speaker 3: Bashett had a four hit game on June third, and
Speaker 3: since then he is a one forty four WRC plus.
Speaker 3: That's more of who he is, right, So if he
Speaker 3: keeps that going the rest of the way, Let's say
Speaker 3: he finishes the year with a Let's let's just say,
Speaker 3: for the sake of argument, he duplicates last season.
Speaker 4: Would it behoove him?
Speaker 3: It's a opt out of two years seventy nine million.
Speaker 4: That's thirty nine point five million aav.
Speaker 3: I just don't see how The other reason why I
Speaker 3: don't think you do this before I kick it to you, Jack, Yeah,
Speaker 3: is I think there's an there's an opt out after
Speaker 3: twenty seven as well, So why not guarantee yourself another
Speaker 3: I think what have been like, I'm trying to make
Speaker 3: sure I have the each year correct because it's it's
Speaker 3: a little bit different. But why not guarantee yourself another
Speaker 3: year at Let's say you stay for run number thirty
Speaker 3: nine point five million AAV and then if you have
Speaker 3: a huge year there, you can still enter free agency
Speaker 3: at age thirty, which is still relatively young.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So two things jump out. Number one the possible
Speaker 2: change and structure to the top market guys in terms
Speaker 2: of contracts, how long they can sign, how big of money.
Speaker 2: That's the thing that looms large this offseason. So can
Speaker 2: you sneak in under the tag of possible changes? Who
Speaker 2: knows what those changes are possibly going to look like.
Speaker 2: The other thing that jumps out with Bashet is that
Speaker 2: big two nine versus three to zero. Number thirty is
Speaker 2: a huge number in free agency if you're a thirty
Speaker 2: year old free agent. It's like gas prices. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a reason gas prices are always three seventy nine
Speaker 2: a gallon that's had a three eighty a gallon seventy
Speaker 2: nine cents looks a heck of a lot better than
Speaker 2: eighty cents, And it's that number in the ten spot
Speaker 2: there where. If he is a twenty nine year old
Speaker 2: free agent, you wonder how much grace that buys him. Oh,
Speaker 2: he's still so young. Oh he's just scratching the surface
Speaker 2: of his peak, you know, always right in the middle
Speaker 2: of his peak years versus thirty. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you blink and he's thirty two. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you blink and he's thirty five. So you wonder if
Speaker 2: he's trying to cash in on that long term deal
Speaker 2: and he feels like he can maximize his earning potential
Speaker 2: if he is a twenty nine year old free agent,
Speaker 2: But honestly, the way he's played, the way this season
Speaker 2: has gone from afar, I feel like it would be
Speaker 2: kind of silly to forfeit north of forty million dollars
Speaker 2: for next year. If I was Bishet.
Speaker 3: That is a good devil's advocate, though, right is, there
Speaker 3: would be potential restrictions, which we don't know, depending on
Speaker 3: how the CBA goes and then yeah, he would be
Speaker 3: entering closer to age thirty one. I would have to
Speaker 3: get the exact birthday, but he regardless, on the other
Speaker 3: side of thirty. And it's funny. It sounds silly, but
Speaker 3: I've had agents tell me the same exact thing. Like
Speaker 3: for some reason, there's just this huge difference entering free
Speaker 3: agency at twenty nine versus thirty thirty and a half.
Speaker 4: Whatever it.
Speaker 2: Maybe your favorite infomercial has has that cool vacuum at
Speaker 2: ninety nine ninety nine plus eight ninety nine shipping and handling.
Speaker 3: It's just funny that the models still like it works
Speaker 3: on the models too crazily.
Speaker 4: But and I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3: Every year really matters when you're paying, you're really the
Speaker 3: biggest thing is you're paying for the prime years. So
Speaker 3: like when you are suffering through potentially aged thirty four
Speaker 3: to thirty five thirty six season, having an extra prime
Speaker 3: year there is is going to make all the difference
Speaker 3: in the world.
Speaker 4: So on that and that hanging over, let's assume.
Speaker 3: For the sake of argument, there's no restrictions and all
Speaker 3: these crazy like those those crazy proposals, like it doesn't
Speaker 3: end up happening, and free agents can sign for as
Speaker 3: much as as humanly possible just for the sake of
Speaker 3: consistency of what we've known. Because that's so unknown, how
Speaker 3: can we even speak on it?
Speaker 4: Right? What do you think Bishett is most likely to do? Slash?
Speaker 2: Like, based on what we know, we were talking about
Speaker 2: bo possibly getting two hundred million dollars from the Philadelphia
Speaker 2: Phillies this past offseason, Right, that was the number that
Speaker 2: we were talking about. Yeah, when he hits free agency
Speaker 2: a year later on a year where he was more underwhelming,
Speaker 2: and I understand that he's been hotter as of late,
Speaker 2: and you laid it out for the first two months,
Speaker 2: will torpedo a season long? Uh? You know number? You
Speaker 2: just take a peek at that and you think, is
Speaker 2: someone going to give him two hundred million this offseason?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't see a world. So if you're telling me
Speaker 2: that you're not going to get the long term two
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar contract and you're leaving two for seventy
Speaker 2: nine on the table, what are we doing?
Speaker 4: The one Devil's advocate is that this free agent class.
Speaker 2: Is bad, bad, not good at all. Another big ticket
Speaker 2: bat like, who are the other big ticket bats A Rosarena. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like it's kind of.
Speaker 4: It, and are you gonna want to pay that guy?
Speaker 2: Like jazzisom another one, thank you, Peyton like man, so
Speaker 2: Bashett would automatically become free agent one I think.
Speaker 3: I think, I mean for Bats, Yeah, and he'd be
Speaker 3: free agent two overall, I I mean, I think it's
Speaker 3: Scoobale obviously, Peralta, Jazz, Michael King, Randy, Brandon Lau.
Speaker 4: That's the one.
Speaker 3: I guess Devil's advocate. But the market's the market. If
Speaker 3: no one's wanting to do it, no one's wanted to
Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, However, in this in a world where
Speaker 3: like you want to upgrade your team like significant, he
Speaker 3: might be the only guy offensively that can really really
Speaker 3: do that for you, depending on how you feel about
Speaker 3: like Jazz and yeah and of course Randy, but that's
Speaker 3: gonna be a shorter term deal.
Speaker 4: So that that's where does that change anything for you?
Speaker 2: It changes minimal for me. But again, like there's just
Speaker 2: so much unknown and I'm trying to get it out
Speaker 2: of my head. But yeah, it changes minimal for me
Speaker 2: because you know, he he could have been paid like
Speaker 2: a top dog last year and he didn't he got
Speaker 2: He got a one plus one plus one deal. So yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it really doesn't change too much for me. I understand
Speaker 2: that naturally the top that available will get more money
Speaker 2: than they would if they were bat six in another class.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, these organizations are
Speaker 2: aware of who's available five years out, and it.
Speaker 4: Gives him another year. He's quoite settled in New York.
Speaker 3: I think the team's going to be hopefully better offensively
Speaker 3: next year, just in the fact that they'll have sodn
Speaker 3: Lindorm more consistently and maybe add some other pieces, and
Speaker 3: they it can't be worse offensively, and he gives them
Speaker 3: another year to show out and and try to earn
Speaker 3: more money because again he can opt out again. If
Speaker 3: he didn't have to opt out after twenty seven, I
Speaker 3: think it'd be a little bit more interesting, like if
Speaker 3: you had to wait if he was opting into two years.
Speaker 3: But the fact that it's a one plus one plus one,
Speaker 3: I think this is I think this is fine, and ultimately,
Speaker 3: like I think he opts in, it's just too much
Speaker 3: money to pass on.
Speaker 2: Yep, that makes perfect sense. Who you want to talk
Speaker 2: about next?
Speaker 4: Next one?
Speaker 3: I think is is more obvious the other way Michael King,
Speaker 3: and I kind of hope most of these guys opt outs.
Speaker 3: Is free agent class stinks he's talked about. So he
Speaker 3: declined the qualifying offer and then he signed with the
Speaker 3: Padre resigned with the Pages for three year seventy five million.
Speaker 3: That's twenty five aav right, so great decision. It's four million.
Speaker 3: It was three million more than the qualifying offer. But
Speaker 3: he also gets options, right, so it was guaranteed one
Speaker 3: year twenty two million this year, and then he forfeits
Speaker 3: two years if he opts out two years fifty.
Speaker 4: Three million, So a little bit backloaded.
Speaker 3: But if you opposide the serie answers, free agency at
Speaker 3: thirty one is another one plus one plus one if
Speaker 3: you he could also opt out in twenty seven, which
Speaker 3: he would forfeit one year thirty million.
Speaker 4: I think with the way he's thrown and.
Speaker 3: Still relatively young, like he's not on the right side
Speaker 3: of thirty. But there was some questions with the injuries
Speaker 3: and stuff like that last year, and I think just
Speaker 3: with the way King has been seems like he's a
Speaker 3: he's an opt out guy.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, man, get your five year deal. Michael
Speaker 2: King has been awesome. He's such a joy to watch
Speaker 2: do this man. Yeah, I mean he's already barreling towards
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy innings again, so absolutely opt out,
Speaker 2: and I think someone does give him a four or
Speaker 2: five year deal. It's some big time money because that
Speaker 2: would take him through his age thirty five season. It
Speaker 2: seems like while pitchers don't get long term deals, they
Speaker 2: do get deals that go way later into their thirties,
Speaker 2: like there's minimal hesitance or there has been minimal hesitance
Speaker 2: to pay a thirty seven year old pitcher because you
Speaker 2: kind of know what they are and you can see
Speaker 2: metrically if someone's taking a downturn, and there is no
Speaker 2: evidence of a downturn at Michael King.
Speaker 3: The only evidence, I guess would be that he's his
Speaker 3: strikeout rates down four percent, But like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if that is like a major flag when he's preventing
Speaker 3: runs at the same clip and has been just equally
Speaker 3: as effective and the peripherals are kind of exactly what
Speaker 3: they were last year too, So I think that would
Speaker 3: be the only area if people were concerned about that.
Speaker 3: But like if I were Michael k and in this
Speaker 3: free agent class specifically too put me on the open market.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be okay, But that would be
Speaker 3: the only thing is just the lack of case. But
Speaker 3: and maybe there's maybe there's something if you dig a
Speaker 3: little bit deeper into like the pitch data that teams
Speaker 3: may not like.
Speaker 4: But I don't.
Speaker 3: The only other Devil's advocate there would be just that
Speaker 3: he could also do the same thing again, like opt
Speaker 3: out or opt in for one year and then have
Speaker 3: the last year to opt out of. But that would
Speaker 3: be the thirty million years, so like do you want
Speaker 3: to opt in? Then you'd be kind of tempted to
Speaker 3: opt in again. But in terms of like pitch velocity
Speaker 3: and everything like that, Vlow's the same. All of his
Speaker 3: pitches are playing pretty well. I think he's he's an
Speaker 3: opt out and go back to the market and squeeze
Speaker 3: out a couple extra years because I think with his
Speaker 3: injury history a little bit too, if he can just
Speaker 3: show that he can throw one hundred and fifty one
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty innings, which he's on pace to throw
Speaker 3: more than this year, I think teams will be happy
Speaker 3: to pay him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, Corbyn Burns is a no brainer.
Speaker 3: He's going to opt in. I mean setback as well.
Speaker 3: Don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 4: To you, am I. He's going to opt in.
Speaker 3: And if I were on the if I was working
Speaker 3: for the Astros, I think I'd be on the hot
Speaker 3: seat right now because I would have been pushing them
Speaker 3: to make this deal too. And this deal, I don't
Speaker 3: know if I would have loved this structure, but if
Speaker 3: they told me this was the only way to get him,
Speaker 3: I I probably would have done it.
Speaker 4: And it's not going great right now.
Speaker 3: Obviously he's showing flashes seeing flash of what what I loved,
Speaker 3: but emphasis on flashes. So he's this is a very
Speaker 3: convoluted contract and we've talked about it a lot, and
Speaker 3: and to a degree, I think it's kind of poison pillish.
Speaker 3: But this is one where I just think with the
Speaker 3: way that he has struggled. Sent for three years fifty
Speaker 3: four million, it's up to sixty three million with bonuses.
Speaker 4: There's two opt out windows.
Speaker 3: Also the astros O posting fee every time he opts in,
Speaker 3: that's going to increase in value. Yeah, I just feel
Speaker 3: like for Ami, he's not going to forfeit. What is
Speaker 3: what two years thirty six million? You're not giving him
Speaker 3: that on the open market right now?
Speaker 2: No one, no, hell no, my I and I love
Speaker 2: the Peyton flash numbers from inside edge. He's a swing
Speaker 2: and miss machine. Guys cannot barrel him up whatsoever. That
Speaker 2: wrong way slider is really fun. But to your point,
Speaker 2: it's so jeklin Heidi, and tetsuy Imai controls whether he
Speaker 2: looks like a front line starter or like an unpitchable
Speaker 2: starting pitcher. And when you're that volatile and it's not
Speaker 2: hit or dependent, that's a terrifying guy to pay. So
Speaker 2: to your point, it is poison pilly. But also im
Speaker 2: I could opt in next year and it could look awesome.
Speaker 2: And then that's the saying like that's the beauty of
Speaker 2: the one plus one plus one and you have multiple
Speaker 2: player opt outs. If you were to ask me like,
Speaker 2: how does em go about the next three years, I
Speaker 2: think it's pitched this year, opt in, throw again next
Speaker 2: year in Houston, then opt out yep.
Speaker 4: And I think that's the goal.
Speaker 3: Like there was all the story about him getting acclimated
Speaker 3: in that whole process. I think there's obviously just the
Speaker 3: getting used to throwing the big league ball and just
Speaker 3: getting honing in on the command. Remember, command was an
Speaker 3: issue for him early in his in his MPB career.
Speaker 3: Then he really saw things click and turn into one
Speaker 3: of the best pitchers out there. And now there seems
Speaker 3: to be this command barrier, and you hope that you
Speaker 3: have the similar progression for the astros.
Speaker 4: I mean, money's always a little.
Speaker 3: Bit with how they're working up against the CBT, but
Speaker 3: at the same time, like I think they're happy to
Speaker 3: some of the other aspects so that it gets a
Speaker 3: little bit more expensive with the posting fee and whatever, like,
Speaker 3: it doesn't make it great, but for round numbers, if
Speaker 3: you just say, like, hey, you're gonna get another shot
Speaker 3: with am I here at one year twenty million dollars,
Speaker 3: Like I think they're they're fine with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially its effectively twenty nine and a half.
Speaker 3: Like Mike Burrows just got optioned, Like yeah, it's truly
Speaker 3: is it is one year like twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. And Arraghetty like the regression was going
Speaker 2: to come at some point for Arraghetty. So it really
Speaker 2: does seem like as weird as it sounds, because there
Speaker 2: are some times where you might can't get out of
Speaker 2: the first inning. He is one of the safer starting
Speaker 2: pitching options that Houston has right now.
Speaker 3: It's an expensive experiment, but the upside there I think
Speaker 3: is worth it. The Astros would rather have an expensive
Speaker 3: short term experiment like this with all the other posting
Speaker 3: fees and the incentives that they put into it, than
Speaker 3: you know, having to give him two hundred million over
Speaker 3: however many years, which is what they were trying to
Speaker 3: get at the beginning.
Speaker 2: So he's gonnad the Lance and they've done the Lance
Speaker 2: mcculors thing before, like they've had the stomach a long
Speaker 2: term deal before.
Speaker 4: So I think that one's an opt in.
Speaker 3: But at that after next year, who knows he could
Speaker 3: throw well enough Torris an easy opt out and he
Speaker 3: would enter free agency at thirty.
Speaker 2: So yeah, still it still.
Speaker 4: Works for him.
Speaker 3: A couple other quick hitters, Luis Severino with the player option.
Speaker 3: I think if if he declines it, he leaves two
Speaker 3: years forty five million on the table. Him being hurt
Speaker 3: this year really kind of throws a wrench. And what
Speaker 3: I think actually would have been a pretty fun conversation.
Speaker 3: But what if this guy just says, I really don't
Speaker 3: want to throw in the SUT, and I really don't
Speaker 3: want to throw you know, in presumably Vegas as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it would. It would take sever reno if
Speaker 2: you the last year in Sacramento.
Speaker 4: Okay, So it would just be the SUT.
Speaker 2: It would just be the SUT. And I love that
Speaker 2: the SUT is catching on. It's good.
Speaker 3: What do you think it's a shoulder issue. I probably
Speaker 3: spooks teams enough. He'd probably take a one year.
Speaker 2: I think he takes his cash. I think he takes
Speaker 2: the one year, twenty two million dollar thing. And you know,
Speaker 2: Sevy is still like if he opts in, he hits
Speaker 2: the open market at thirty four years old compared to
Speaker 2: thirty three years old, that's that's like kind of pennies.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it matters much. I think he
Speaker 2: just takes his guaranteed twenty two million dollars because if
Speaker 2: he were to come off a bad year and an
Speaker 2: injury year and hit the open market, he's getting what
Speaker 2: one year for seven I.
Speaker 3: Think more a little bit more, but ten twelve, thirteen, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like pocket That was kind of my question because yeah,
Speaker 3: it's one year, twenty two million left, So like that's
Speaker 3: what you would be forfeiting if he opted out. I
Speaker 3: assume he's not going to throw again this year. Have
Speaker 3: they said, I don't think so. If he doesn't throw
Speaker 3: again this year, like, yeah, it's tough because he was
Speaker 3: actually throwing them all pretty decently this year. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: that last one actually, and then we'll just quick hit
Speaker 3: on two other obvious ones.
Speaker 4: But this one Quay Holmes.
Speaker 3: So if he declines his option, he's forfeiting one year,
Speaker 3: twelve million.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: Let's operate in the worst case scenario because if he
Speaker 3: comes back in throws, which he's going to, but if
Speaker 3: he comes back and throws, well, it's even more of
Speaker 3: an o brain. Let's say he comes back and throws
Speaker 3: kind of poorly. I still think he's a no brainer.
Speaker 3: Decline that and go hit free agency.
Speaker 2: He has built up the capitol to the point where
Speaker 2: he is absolutely opting out of this. He's a free agent.
Speaker 2: If Holmes throws, well, he's a trade candidate and he
Speaker 2: is going to be a free agent and he's going
Speaker 2: to get himself a nice three year contract. I think
Speaker 2: this guy has allowed a slug under three hundred this year.
Speaker 2: It's one of the best marks in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: He's also got a two four ERA so far this year.
Speaker 2: A opponents are opsing shy of six hundred against him. Again,
Speaker 2: it's all courtesy of inside edge. When Holmes has been
Speaker 2: on the field, he's been gross. We know he's ground
Speaker 2: balls at will, the bedrock of if all goes to shit.
Speaker 2: He's a really good reliever. Like you give that guy
Speaker 2: another three year deal in a heartbeat, I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's a no brainer. I think.
Speaker 3: And for him, like in this class, pretty good situation
Speaker 3: for him to be able to, you know, I think,
Speaker 3: get a decent contract. Drew Rasmussen's club options hilarious, no
Speaker 3: brainer pick up, like they're gonna what a deal. Same
Speaker 3: with Yondi Dias. Like those are two of the most
Speaker 3: obvious club option pickups ever. Welcome to Raise Baseball. I
Speaker 3: have a fun one for you. Would you rather pick
Speaker 3: up your option for twenty million on Luis Robert Jr.
Speaker 3: Or pick up an option for twenty one million for
Speaker 3: Sandy al Contra. I'm not answering, I know, I know,
Speaker 3: but that was rhetorical because the obvious answer, correct is
Speaker 3: al Cabayo.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: Sandy's been one of the you know, just most consistent
Speaker 3: in terms of innings, workload, whatever. Teams would pay that
Speaker 3: even if he was struggling a little bit more than
Speaker 3: he is, and he's been really solid the last couple
Speaker 3: of times out. Those innings that he's able to give
Speaker 3: you are so huge. I gave you the rhetorical because
Speaker 3: police Roberts getting that contract declined. And what I want,
Speaker 3: what I want to think about now is what does
Speaker 3: that guy get on the open market?
Speaker 4: What does a Luise Robert open market deal look like?
Speaker 2: One year? Nine million dollars? Who's the sucking seven? No,
Speaker 2: I don't know, probably the Angels, Yeah, no idea.
Speaker 4: So that's it. That was all I had.
Speaker 2: I just thought, real quick, you think Sandy leads baseball
Speaker 2: and innings pitch this year? It seems like he's barreling
Speaker 2: towards it. Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna be him or Sanchez.
Speaker 3: We'll look at the totals right now. Sanchez at one
Speaker 3: twenty and a third. Sandy's at one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: three and two thirds. You know why, I think Sandy
Speaker 3: will and Christopher Sanchez is built like this too. So
Speaker 3: it's one of these two guys. Even when they aren't good,
Speaker 3: like it's just you just you don't have it that day, right,
Speaker 3: Like Sandy's gonna give you seven, Christopher's will give you seven.
Speaker 3: It might be five earned they didn't have it that day.
Speaker 3: They're still not making the bullpen wear anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything. It's such a joy to watch him go
Speaker 2: to work constantly and like wearing that where it's like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Friday is my game. I'm not gonna make anyone piece
Speaker 2: this together. It's my game. And Sanchez that's him too.
Speaker 2: And the good news for Sandy and Sanchez is both
Speaker 2: those guys are awesome when they're at the top of
Speaker 2: their game, and they're at the top of their game often.
Speaker 2: But yeah, one year nine for Robert, I think maybe
Speaker 2: one year for eight and that it'll be an angel.
Speaker 2: We'll say see you now. I don't really have anything
Speaker 2: else on the agenda.
Speaker 4: What you got, That's all I got. I'm excited for
Speaker 4: all story.
Speaker 3: We again hope to see you guys at other half brewing,
Speaker 3: and we got some fun stuff on the call up
Speaker 3: putting out a lot of stuff is the futures game.
Speaker 4: We're gonna be stacking.
Speaker 3: Up a lot of interviews on there with some of
Speaker 3: the top prospects in baseball, So keep an eye out
Speaker 3: for that, and yeah, looking forward to the coverage draft.
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Speaker 3: I've been spending hours with Colby setting up like that,
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Speaker 4: So I'm really excited about that podcast.
Speaker 3: P's been grinding to set everything up on the back
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Speaker 2: Let's go, dude. We will talk to you guys to
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