WEBVTT - Train Necrophilia, Governor Arsonist, Weezer Bassist's Wife in Police Shootout, and More w/ Gold Shields Host Tom Smith! 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:21.119 Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.000 Everyone Welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.200 have a very special guest, Tom Smith, who is a 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:31.280 retired NYPD police detective and one of the co hosts 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.199 of the gold Shields podcasts. Today, we're going to do 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.279 some news stories with Tom and ask them all of 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.080 the police questions that we're dying to know with the 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:43.239 latest news stories like Weezer's bassist wife being involved in 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.720 a police shootout, a baby being mauled to death by 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:51.440 their family dog, a case of necrophilia yes in a 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:56.240 New York City subway, and the arsonist at Governor Shapiro's mansion. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.680 All that and more on today's episode. Him, thanks so 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.120 much for being here today. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.720 Oh my god, talk about waiting for a show to do. 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.000 We scheduled this and ever since then, especially after we 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.480 did hours, it's been a all right, three more days, 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.399 two more days, it's tomorrow. So I'm thrilled to be 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.320 here and thank you so much for having me. And 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:22.399 this is gonna be cool. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.880 So why don't you tell everyone what the podcast is about, 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.640 because we did tell our listeners to listen to our episode. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.119 We'll listen to them all the time, but listen especially 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.960 to Maria and I's episode that was on last week. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.400 But tell everybody a little bit about what you guys 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:37.600 are doing on the podcast. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.520 So what we do is Dan and I are both 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.880 retired NYPD detectives who did combine fifty years in the NYPD. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.160 Dan was my sergeant and partner in a couple of 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.920 different details that we were on together, and what we 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:54.200 wanted to do was get these stories out there that 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.880 people might not might know about but not really know about, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.200 and these high profile cases and military missions, but get 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.320 a kind of backstory to them. So what we did 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.919 is we have the guests on who actually did them, 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:13.480 the detectives, the Seal Team six operators, victims of crimes, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.239 to tell their own story about what happened with the case. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.160 And a lot of times the feedback we get is, wow, 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.640 I knew about the case, but I didn't know that well, 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.400 I didn't know that much about it, which is the 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.280 point of it. That's what we want to do. And 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.280 Dan and I were very intent on not telling someone 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.680 else's story, you know, let the person who went through 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.200 it and did it tell their own story, and that's 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.000 basically what it is. You know, we all get kind 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:44.760 of pigeonholed into a genre and true crime we are, 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.400 but I always like to tell everyone we're more of 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:53.120 a true story podcast than that because of the stories 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.760 we hear blow our mind a lot with what we 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.640 hear because we don't have a script, you know, we 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.680 just kind to have conversations and a lot of the 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:06.200 information coming about these cases we never heard about. So 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.720 the reactions are pretty authentic with with Dan and I 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.640 being blown away sometimes. So it's been a great ride 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.839 and we just love doing it. Well. 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.680 We commonly find when we're looking up news stories that 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.360 maybe one news source like NBC writes something and basically 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.959 every other news source just copies what they wrote essentially. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.360 So I could see that you would want to get 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:32.079 stories from other people because they're not really digging much 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.120 deeper on a lot of these cases. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.880 Right They're they're satisfied with with the oh wow headline 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.360 or you know, the the dramatic, you know, just face 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.160 story of what it is, but don't go into why 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.200 it is and what happened and the particular is about it, 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.880 which are more interesting than just a headline. Uh, and 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.400 that's what we wanted to do with it. You know, 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.200 we got all the time comments of you know, I 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.000 knew about that military mission because I read about it whatever, 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.920 but had no idea about a B and C. And 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.000 that's the point of it. And that's what, you know, 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.200 we keep hearing that. That's what keeps driving us to 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.040 get more of these stories out there. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.120 So what are some of the high profile cases that 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.440 you've covered and had interviews? 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:21.280 Oh? Boy, we did the Scott Peterson case. We had 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.680 the detective who actually locked Scott Peterson up, so we 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:32.960 talked about that. The Oh god, Ted Bundy's a victim 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:37.039 of a victim of Ted Bundy. Kathy Kleine Rubin who 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.480 survived an attacked by Ted Bundy, who had her on 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.560 the night Stalker, you know, Gil Carrera who locked him up, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:48.360 was on it. That was a chilling episode of hearing 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:53.719 the integral parts of going after a serial killer. You know, 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.960 we read about him, we see movies on it, but 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.880 to get a first hand account of how to do 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.600 it was a great episode. Yeah. 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.280 And I just listened to Your Vegas Shooter episode two, 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.360 and I think that's the case. You know, I was 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.360 all over watching the news, but hearing your Guys episode 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.919 and just the first person point of view about what 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.719 went down that day, it just so much more compelling, 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.920 like we're talking about, than reading it just online or 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.880 seeing it covered on TV, because you just really have 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.279 no idea what it's like unless you're there, one hundred percent. 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.799 Josh was amazing. That was, you know, one of those 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.560 that Dan and I just shut up and just let 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.720 Josh talk and tell the story. And that was one 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.359 of those, you know that you remember recently, you know, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.320 the other ones were a few years ago, and that 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:46.680 one's still fresh in everyone's mind. So to hear that 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.600 reaction and we've all been there, you know. And I 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.599 think I said it in the show Maria that you know, cops, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.880 you could be sitting around doing nothing, laughing, joking, and 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.760 thirty seconds later, the world is ending and that's police work. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.679 And that's what Josh kind of put out there of 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.279 training with the dogs and you got uniform shirt off 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.520 and it's a nice day and then all of a sudden, 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:10.720 it looks like armageddon. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.080 Yeah, and I believe you made a really good point 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.160 on that episode too, or maybe it was at our 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.440 dinner last week, but you had said something along the 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.880 lines of, like, these things sometimes happen to somebody, These 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.359 traumatic things only occur to people one time, But for 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.400 police officers in particular, this is just another day at work. 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.400 And sometimes they have won two, three scenes this traumatic 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.360 in a day. And I can't imagine how hard that is. 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:37.240 To process, right, you know, the average person will have 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.200 three to four, maybe five traumatic events in their lifetime. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.640 I could literally have you know, ten in a night, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.440 you know, when I was on patrol, you know, just 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.279 constantly going to nine one one calls and tragedies and 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.360 all that. You could literally, you know, just have that 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.479 number in one tour in one night and add that 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.120 up over a career. And that's why you know, this 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.520 job is so demanding, both physically and mentally. 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.960 Yeah, at it's cool because I mean when you think 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.320 about being a new working in New York and being 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.040 a detective there, most people would be exposed to a 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.880 lot of crazy shit there, Like just because like one 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.160 of the stories we're going to talk about today is 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.320 just enough to be like, Okay, these people are seeing 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.760 some crazy stuff. But even smaller departments, like they never 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.120 know what they're going to come across either, So it's 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.040 cool that you're interviewing people from all over to just 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.600 get this different perspectives on where they're working and what 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.520 the population's like and how populated it is. Like Vegas, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.160 for example, has a lot of tourists where and New 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.320 York does too, but where I live, Like, no, that's 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.520 not even a thing on their mind. So it's just 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:54.680 cool to get a perspective from all different law enforcement officers. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.280 Yeah, you know, when we started and we first put 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:58.880 it out there, a lot of people were under the 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.400 impression that we would just do in and YPD stories 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.840 just because of the name of the show and where 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:05.920 Dan and I are from, and we were like, not 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.120 even close. I mean, in one hundred and fifteen shows 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.840 that we've done, we've maybe done four at WHITEPD shows. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.840 And that just goes to your example and Nicole, that 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.000 the stories of great investigations and traumatic events and all 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.560 that are all over the country, and we've had so 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.600 many with like you said, small towns or smaller police 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:33.319 departments that you know, these heroic events happen with cops 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.320 getting shot and or saving lives or all that, and 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.120 that's what we wanted to do. We wanted to make 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:43.559 it a nationwide and worldwide show. And luckily we are 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:44.160 so far. 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.920 So all right, So saying talking about getting shot, this 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.880 is good for our first story because this is a 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.240 super bizarre one that came out this week. Do you Ray, 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:55.439 do you want to get into it? 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:56.080 Yeah? 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.520 So Jilly and Lauren Schriner, who is the wife of 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:02.720 Weezer's Basis Scotch, she was in this incredibly strange situation 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.840 last week where she ended up getting in this police shootout. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.880 I mean, the details of this story are just so bizarre. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:11.199 So she wasn't. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:16.600 Involved at all, and I guess the person that was 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.960 accused of doing a hit and run had just ran 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.600 away from the scene and went into one of her neighbor's. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:25.160 Yards or something. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.640 Yeah, it appears there was some sort of police you know, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.160 chase going on from a hit and run incident, and 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.319 these suspects had ended up in her neighborhood and by 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.480 the time the police got there, they found her with 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.160 a nine millimeter on her porch and they had said 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.240 to her multiple times, please put your gun down, and then, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.600 according to the police, she shot at them and then 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.520 they shot at her. She ended up getting shot in 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.720 the shoulder but it's all over the place with what 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.839 actually went down and why was she even involved in 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.680 this in the first place. I am thinking, like, if 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.960 I had a weapon and the police officer was telling 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.800 me to put it down, of course I would. But 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.720 she he's saying, she was defending her home, and I 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.040 don't really know what was going on there. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.640 Yeah, that was a bizarre story to read about and 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.959 do some checking on. And what it seems that happened was, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.320 you know, she had a gun in the house and 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.439 she's protecting herself and probably just heard someone in the 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:24.280 backyard walking around, went out to take a look, and 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.319 the worst case scenario happens. It's at night. She probably 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.000 couldn't see who it was. She doesn't trust someone just 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:36.760 yelling the police and without surveying what's going on and 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.160 taking a second, you know, just starts shooting. And the 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.320 police are in that area looking for I think a 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.600 carjack or something to that effect. So they were already 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.920 amped up looking for someone that might have a weapon. 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.480 Now someone pops up in front of you with a 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.080 weapon and starts shooting it you. So that's the worst 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.120 case scenario you can think of, And you know what 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.160 she's lucky she's still live, you know, with what could 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.920 have happened. But that's scary situations when you run into 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.560 people who are armed, whether they have a permit or not, 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.199 and they're defending their home or whatever. But the biggest 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:19.640 part is, no matter what permit you have, you're usually 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.559 not trained enough to deal with this situation like that 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.240 of how to do it, how to talk, how to 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.720 recognize police officers, you know, and all that. So I 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.600 think that also played a contributing factory to what happened. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.199 So I have a question in je because I think 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.040 about this often when you hear about people who are 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.760 carrying I personally feel like I know all the steps 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.319 that you have to go through. It are pretty vigorous. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.800 A person that's concealed carry like legit permit and everything. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.800 As a law enforcement officer, do you feel better knowing 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:01.280 that there's people that are armed around that could potentially 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.680 help you guys in a situation or do you hate 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.720 the fact that regular people are carrying weapons? 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.240 Listen, I firmly believe that everyone should have the right 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.320 to do it obviously, you know, and protect yourself and 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.520 your family and all that. But I think the level 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.280 of training that needs to be done has to be 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.440 ramped up, because you know you're talking about you. You 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.120 can be twenty one years old and get a permit 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.200 and go to a training session and take a couple 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.960 of shots at a paper target and get a permit 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.600 and have a gun. I've had conversations with people of 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.880 do you understand what goes with that permit? Yeah, it 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.719 gets carrie gun. No, you could potentially kill someone. I 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.520 don't want that. No, that's part of it, you know. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.719 And they don't. They think it's kind of cool that 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.600 they can have a gun and carry it and protect themselves, 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.960 but don't understand what can happen, you know, and what 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:02.000 could very easily happen going down the line. And when 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.520 I start having conversations with people like that, they freak 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.920 out of wait, I didn't sign up for that. I 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.080 don't want to kill anyone, okay, but you may have to, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:15.000 you know, And that parallel of yeah, that's reality, you know, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.839 it kind of hits people hard sometimes. 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.000 Is it weird that people like I would just assume 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.920 if you're getting a gun, that's what you're getting it for, Like, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.560 what else are you using it for? To scare somebody? 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.760 Because that's definitely a terrible idea. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.720 It's a horrible idea. And that's where you get into, 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.800 you know, the mindsets of people of you know, is 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.720 it fashionable, it's cool I have when listen, that's a 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.200 mindset unfortunately in this world today. Yeah, it's cool to 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.880 have a gun, you know, but they're not taking that 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:47.360 extra step of the responsibility of it and the ramifications 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.280 of that responsibility. If you happen to screw up, just 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.000 because you have a permit doesn't mean you can't be 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.760 wrong and you can't go to jail. And people think 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.960 that is, well, well, it's not an illegal gun, yeah, 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.480 but your actions can be. And that's what people lose 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.480 sometimes when it comes to arming themselves. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.680 Yeah, and I feel like in this case, I mean, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.600 she's now she got arrested for attempted murder, so I 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.400 guess she actually took shots at the officers. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.280 Yeah, And that's what I mean, you know, the misidentification 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.280 of police officers who were yelling at her with a 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.120 police with the police, whether they were in plain clothes, 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:22.840 I don't know what they were dressed like, if they 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.760 had their uniforms on, if they had a identifying markings 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.400 on them. You know, I don't know at that point, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.520 but you know, that's part of the training of it, 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.760 of taking that second to survey a situation and to 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.480 you know, understand if they're a cop, you know, they 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.360 control the scene, not you. They're they're in charge, and 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.600 you're the one, the civilian with the guns. So I 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:53.800 think the communications broke down and trusting who was in 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.840 her backyard is part of the problem as well, and that, 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.480 like I said, is a worst case scenario that's nightmare 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.800 for both parties, for both parties to be involved in. 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.600 Yeah, I mean that could have turned ugly, right, Yeah, Well, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.400 I saw that she had just had a hysterectomy recently, 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.440 and she had been treating being treated for cancer. So 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.280 do you think there was I don't know. I'm just 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.840 trying to think of all possible situations. What that her 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.080 ovaries got taken out and she went nuts. Well no, no, 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.080 I'm not saying about the hysterectomy. But do you think 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:29.040 because of the combination of having treatment for cancer and 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.360 having the surgery there was some type of brain fog 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.080 that could have affected her decision making? I mean, I 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.080 don't really, I don't know. I'm asking you as a 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.360 medical person, if that's a possibility, I mean she had 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.280 the surgery over a month ago, I would say I 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:45.080 would say no, Like what Tom just said with the 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:49.960 with the officers potentially wearing street clothes, I mean, think 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.600 about that, Like if I'm just thinking about looking at 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.000 my own backyard, if there's a bunch of guys wearing 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.760 normal clothes carrying guns in my yard, I'm gonna be like, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.440 on hi alert, Are you gonna do that at them? 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.239 Well, I don't have a gun. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.360 But if I but if finds it for reasons like this, 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.400 because I don't think I would make the right decision 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.360 in that time, but but for real, like that would 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.720 I would be on high alert. I definitely would call 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.680 nine on one and like, but but there's people on 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.040 my street that might have a gun that might do 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.560 something you don't understand. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.520 Like I say that that would freak her out. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.320 Do you think it's also possible she misfired because most 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.200 times people have such horrible trigger discipline when they're holding 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.320 a gun, And I feel like that's an incredible possibility 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.240 that she was scared she was holding it and slipped. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.880 Sure that that goes with what I said before with training, 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:49.080 and it shouldn't be You shouldn't be one time like 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.800 all right, I'm gonna go get trained because I'm getting 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.800 my permit. It should be a two, three times a year, 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.720 you know, training session that you should be on because 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.960 those scenario can happen, maybe not to that extreme, but 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.480 being on the street and Nicole, you bring up a 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:09.040 great point with plain clothes officers and I worked in there. 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:10.960 You know, I was in an anti crime union playing 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.400 clothes and got surrounded by you know, three radio cars, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.360 you know NYPD cars thinking we were a robbery team. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.639 You know that happens, and it's scary, uh, not to 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.040 mention just being a civilian and seeing people walking through 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.960 your backyard. But you came up with a great point too, 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.680 you know, run inside, locked the door, called nine one one, Hey, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.119 there's people in my backyard saying they're cops, and that 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.200 nine one one operator is going, yes they are. They're 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.760 looking for a B and C. So that's another avenue 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.159 she could have went down. But the stress of it, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.679 you know, clouds people's judgments sometimes and reaction, so I 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.440 think that had something to do with it as well. 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.800 Do you also see this little interesting tidbit that she 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.960 was just gonna say this with this serial killer Samuel Little. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.119 She she I think she owns his or not owns his, 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.840 but I think she acquired his career reins after he 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.479 died in twenty twenty. But she had been making this 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.600 documentary about Samuel Little. And the way these articles are 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.879 reading is that it was supposed to highlight, you know, 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.320 the victims and be to their benefit. But then this 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.000 woman ended up developing this really close friendship with him, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.040 to the point where he put her as his next 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:22.840 of kin on his prison paperwork. It's very bizarre, but 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.480 I feel like I've never heard of this guy, and 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.760 apparently he's like one of the most prolific serial killers 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.040 in the United States. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.040 Yeah, have you heard of him? 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:37.520 No? No? What were the circumstances of his case? Then? 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.160 Might be? I don't know his name, but the case. 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.920 I believe he is convicted of killing at least eight 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.120 women in between nineteen seventy and I think they're early 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.639 two thousands. But then it came out later that he 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.440 admitted to killing up to ninety three victims. 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:54.040 But the FABI. 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:57.800 Confirm the FBI confirmed fifty of the ninety three. Oh 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:58.440 my god. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.760 So it's it's a lot of people. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:02.800 I just it's just kind of like, I'm like, oh, 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:04.760 why is this the first time I'm hearing about this? 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.520 I always really fall in love with you know, yeah. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:09.400 Right, definitely. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.120 I also thought it was kind of strange that, you know, 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.440 she's getting charged with attempted murder I'm assuming of police officers, 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.680 and she got released on bond that night. I would 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.479 just think for that level of a charge that you 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:23.760 wouldn't be able to. 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.800 Well, welcome to the twenty twenty exactly. 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:32.080 I could tell you ten cases this week of that happening. Really, 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.120 and her husband coach. 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.480 That's the bad part. That doesn't even surprise me anymore. 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.280 Yeah, you're just like whatever, like that's that's totally normal now, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.640 all right. So here's a case that the next case 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.880 shouldn't surprise you either, because I feel like we talk 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.000 about it at least once a month on this podcast. 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.600 We don't even cover every story. But no, So this 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.440 happened in Alabama. This couple had brought their four year 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.280 old to the hospital after he accidentally shot himself with 0:19:58.359 --> 0:19:59.320 a weapon in the house. 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.760 So then police go to search the home. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.280 Not only do they find all these unsecured weapons, but 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.760 they come across at least thirty snakes, some alive, some dead, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:13.280 covered in maggots, boxes of mice, and a crocodile in them. 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.399 So this is something we talk about on this show 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:18.720 all the time, is like, what is it like to 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.480 just be a cop and walk into the house not 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.800 knowing what to expect because you probably just live in 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.879 a normal house that has just like furniture and stuff 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.879 like that, and then you just go into these abnormal 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.080 living situations. 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.119 Oh that was you know, any apartment that you would 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.880 go into in the city held you breath because anything 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.320 could happen. You know. I read this article and I 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.720 remembered we did. We took a case down in the 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.440 Bronx in narcotics, so, you know, a couple of different streets, 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.600 a bunch of people arrested with this one crew, and 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.840 one of them had an alligator in the bethtub when 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.600 we did the warrant, you know, and we're all on 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.719 the street and we hearing, you know, what's going on, 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.320 and you're thinking it's a joke, and it wasn't. In 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:09.240 the Bronx an alligator in the bethtub, you know, but 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:15.160 other situations. I mean walking in and just seeing weird stuff, 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:21.960 you know, shrines of a lot of different things that 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:25.800 would be in certain rooms and all that. But you 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:27.639 have to be you know that. That's one of the 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:31.080 things about working in a big city, especially a city 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.000 like New York where anything is possible. You have to 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.560 be ready for every situation or every weird thing that 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.359