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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone Welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we

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Speaker 2: have a very special guest, Tom Smith, who is a

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Speaker 2: retired NYPD police detective and one of the co hosts

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Speaker 2: of the gold Shields podcasts. Today, we're going to do

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Speaker 2: some news stories with Tom and ask them all of

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Speaker 2: the police questions that we're dying to know with the

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Speaker 2: latest news stories like Weezer's bassist wife being involved in

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Speaker 2: a police shootout, a baby being mauled to death by

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Speaker 2: their family dog, a case of necrophilia yes in a

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Speaker 2: New York City subway, and the arsonist at Governor Shapiro's mansion.

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Speaker 2: All that and more on today's episode. Him, thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for being here today.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, talk about waiting for a show to do.

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Speaker 1: We scheduled this and ever since then, especially after we

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Speaker 1: did hours, it's been a all right, three more days,

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Speaker 1: two more days, it's tomorrow. So I'm thrilled to be

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Speaker 1: here and thank you so much for having me. And

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be cool.

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Speaker 2: So why don't you tell everyone what the podcast is about,

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Speaker 2: because we did tell our listeners to listen to our episode.

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Speaker 2: We'll listen to them all the time, but listen especially

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Speaker 2: to Maria and I's episode that was on last week.

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Speaker 2: But tell everybody a little bit about what you guys

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Speaker 2: are doing on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: So what we do is Dan and I are both

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Speaker 1: retired NYPD detectives who did combine fifty years in the NYPD.

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Speaker 1: Dan was my sergeant and partner in a couple of

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Speaker 1: different details that we were on together, and what we

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Speaker 1: wanted to do was get these stories out there that

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Speaker 1: people might not might know about but not really know about,

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Speaker 1: and these high profile cases and military missions, but get

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Speaker 1: a kind of backstory to them. So what we did

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Speaker 1: the detectives, the Seal Team six operators, victims of crimes,

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Speaker 1: to tell their own story about what happened with the case.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of times the feedback we get is, wow,

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Speaker 1: I knew about the case, but I didn't know that well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that much about it, which is the

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Speaker 1: Dan and I were very intent on not telling someone

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Speaker 1: else's story, you know, let the person who went through

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Speaker 1: it and did it tell their own story, and that's

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Speaker 1: basically what it is. You know, we all get kind

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Speaker 1: but I always like to tell everyone we're more of

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Speaker 1: a true story podcast than that because of the stories

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Speaker 1: we hear blow our mind a lot with what we

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Speaker 1: hear because we don't have a script, you know, we

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Speaker 1: just kind to have conversations and a lot of the

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Speaker 1: information coming about these cases we never heard about. So

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Speaker 1: the reactions are pretty authentic with with Dan and I

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Speaker 1: being blown away sometimes. So it's been a great ride

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Speaker 1: and we just love doing it. Well.

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Speaker 2: We commonly find when we're looking up news stories that

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Speaker 2: maybe one news source like NBC writes something and basically

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Speaker 2: So I could see that you would want to get

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Speaker 1: Right They're they're satisfied with with the oh wow headline

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Speaker 1: which are more interesting than just a headline. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: that's what we wanted to do with it. You know,

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Speaker 2: So what are some of the high profile cases that

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Speaker 1: Oh? Boy, we did the Scott Peterson case. We had

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Speaker 1: Josh was amazing. That was, you know, one of those

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Speaker 2: cool to get a perspective from all different law enforcement officers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when we started and we first put

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Speaker 1: You know, whether it's an alligator or a tiger, or

436
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, an eagle flying around an apartment, you know,

437
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: all weird stuff like that that.

438
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 3: Sounds a little specifics.

439
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: Is just get out, close the door, and call like

440
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: animal control or you know there's times that you look

441
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: around at each other and be like, who do we call?

442
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: Like is there a tiger removal department in New York City?

443
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: But you know, an animal control of some sort would

444
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: come and take care of it.

445
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: So the main part of this story, which should be

446
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: the most shocking, which isn't, is that a kid shot

447
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: himself with with a gun that was laying around. Is

448
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: that something that you encountered through your career? Do you

449
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: think it's getting worse because I feel like I hear

450
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: it a lot.

451
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because there's there's so many guns out there.

452
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there are, whether they legal or not. The

453
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: biggest thing about having a weapon in your house is

454
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: where it's stored and where it's locked up and who

455
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: has access to it. And a lot of people disregard

456
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: that and they just leave it out and kids end

457
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: up killing themselves the majority of the time are shooting

458
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: a friend because they think it's a toy, you know,

459
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: or something like that. And that is is usually the

460
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: case with this and those are the I mean, you

461
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: can't get more heartbreaking than that scenario, you know, either

462
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: one of those that I laid out and that does happen,

463
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: and it goes back to the parents' responsibility. You know,

464
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: the kid's a kid, you know, the parents responsibility or

465
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: lack of responsibility when having these weapons in a house

466
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: is tragic sometimes.

467
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: And this is kind of similar to our next story

468
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: in a way that parents having their child either seriously

469
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: injured or hurt and it's kind of their fault they

470
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: put the danger into the house. Like, I don't even

471
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 2: know how you live with yourself after something like that.

472
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that decision, that perfect point, Nicole, that that

473
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: scenario should be played out before you bring a weapon

474
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: in the house. You know, play out that what if

475
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: what if he gets it? What if something goes wrong?

476
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: You know, and people don't. They just take it for

477
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: granted that, oh it'll be all right. You know, he's

478
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: not going to get it, or I hit it, you know,

479
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: I hit in the spot. Listen, we were all kids.

480
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: We find anything. Yeah, yeah, they ask us around Christmas

481
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: time we find anything, you know, if they if they

482
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: have a thought that that's in the house. Kids can

483
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: find anything and get into anything. So unless it is

484
00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: a bolted down, you know, secure combination lock box, they're

485
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: gonna find it.

486
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: You know, I think my kids are broken. I say

487
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: this at Christmas time. I keep their presence like unwrapped

488
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: in my office, just like hidden under a couch or something,

489
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: and they just don't even find it.

490
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm so disappointed.

491
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: Never I'm just like, I had that shit unwrapped, looked

492
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: at it, re wrapped it, put it back in my

493
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: mom's closet. Well, last year we hit it behind the

494
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: curtain for the window. They don't but all the time,

495
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 2: or on the back porch. We'll just put it back there.

496
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: They take the trash out all the time, walk right

497
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: by the box, don't even notice it.

498
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 3: You're just like, how is this? What kind of kids

499
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Speaker 2: All right, so talk about this with the parents though,

520
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: because this next case, so this case and then the

521
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: next one we're talking about is not having a gun,

522
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: but having a dog that's known for eating children. So well,

523
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: we talk about this a lot with dogs attacking children,

524
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: especially with pit bulls, which is some of the greatest

525
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: criticism I guess we face is criticizing people for having

526
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: these dogs in the house with small children. But again,

527
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: this is a case of a seven month old baby

528
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: that was mauled to death by the family dog. They

529
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: had three pitbulls at the house, and when animal control

530
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: got there, they didn't know exactly which dog did it

531
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: at first, and they determine which dog did it now

532
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 2: that dog has to get euthanized, which isn't fair to

533
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: the baby that lost its life, isn't fair to the

534
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: dog that was just being an animal.

535
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 3: And then the people that own the dog don't get

536
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: in the trouble. That's the weirdest part of it.

537
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean dogs. You know, when it comes to that,

538
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: you kind of different topics, differ different items, but sort

539
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: of the same thing. You know, you have a possible

540
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: deadly weapon, which is a dog right near your children,

541
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: and they can turn in a mint. They're animals, you know,

542
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: they can be trained. Oh, I love them, they sleep

543
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: with me, They're all this. But there's some animals that

544
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: just have this trigger and they just go off and

545
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: you can't map it out, you can't schedule it, you

546
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: can't see it coming, and it just happens. You know.

547
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: Moreover with this, when you have a history of these dogs,

548
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, creating a problem is even more of an alert,

549
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, to go out of maybe not have them

550
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: around the kids.

551
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: So you're saying that sometimes there's officers that would be

552
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: scared of dogs. I personally would be too. As far

553
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: as if I'm going over a friend's house that I

554
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: know that the dog's well taken care of, and I

555
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: know what kind of environment they live in. I would

556
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: be like way more chill about it. But just going

557
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: into a stranger's house where you don't know how they're

558
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: training this dog or what's happening, like what what are

559
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: your officers do in that situation? I mean, I guess

560
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: they have a gun on them, so that's always helpful.

561
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go first, that's you, that's in the hallway.

562
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, you go. I'll stay out here.

563
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: It's usually how it happens. But sometimes you don't know

564
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: that they are and they'll come out of a bedroom,

565
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: or they'll come at you know, out of another closet,

566
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. So sometimes you're caught off guard

567
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: with with seeing them. When we would do search warrants,

568
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: you really didn't know. So we had a lieutenant that

569
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: would always do a search warrant with treats and dog

570
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: food in his pocket. We had it every search warrant

571
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: we did, just in case there was a dog there.

572
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: He throw them a bone and throw them a treat,

573
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: throw food in another room, whatever it was. Because listen,

574
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Speaker 1: no one, especially pitbulls, you do not want to get

575
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: bit by that and you don't want to listen. No

576
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: one wants to fire their weapon, whether it's at a

577
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: person or a dog, you don't want to do it.

578
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: So you just do everything you can to avoid that situation.

579
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: But sometimes it's unavoidable, and you know it's going to

580
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: be them, not you, because I've seen guys bit by

581
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: dogs and it is not cool, it's not pretty, it's

582
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: painful as hell, and you don't want to go through that.

583
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: And what happens when you guys like obviously we talk

584
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: about such horrible stories on here, we have another one

585
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: coming up after this story of just officers seeing like

586
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: terrible shit. So they're gonna show up to this house.

587
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: And let's say, I mean most of these guys. I

588
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: know that Gabe has this issue, you know, when he

589
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: goes to fires that involve children, because it's like he

590
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: has kids.

591
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 3: That age too.

592
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: And you can't help but say, it's a similar situation

593
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: because you know kids that age right, And so if

594
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: you walk into a scene like that and you see

595
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: a baby that is the victim of being killed by

596
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: a pit bull, which could be so gruesome, how do

597
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: you deal with that with the officers? Do they have

598
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: any kind of assistance for them when they get back.

599
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: Do they have to go to some kind of therapy

600
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: or is that's something they just take home with them.

601
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: Well, you would hope if it. Listen, people deal with

602
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: stresses and situations like that differently. Some guys and women

603
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: can handle it and just kind of put it in

604
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: the back of their head of part of the job

605
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: another day. But it adds up, and that's where it's not.

606
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: When it comes to the mental health issues of police

607
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: officers and talking to people, it's not one event. It's

608
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: always more and more and adding up. And that's when

609
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: you have to know and realize when it's time to

610
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: talk to someone unofficially, officially, whatever it might be. But

611
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: things in police departments and police officers boil to a

612
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: point that they can't take it anymore, that's when bad

613
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: things start to happen. That's when alcoholism starts, and suicide starts,

614
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: and domestic issues start. You know, when you get to

615
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: these events just boiling over because you didn't realize when

616
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: it was time to go talk to someone.

617
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: So you started what year did you start being a cop?

618
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety So you've seen a huge change in that,

619
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: like a shift in the thinking of that, because we've

620
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: talked about that before that you used to have to

621
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: put on almost a front like nothing bothered you guys,

622
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: And now it's how do you feel about that being

623
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: more open? You think that, I mean, obviously that should

624
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: be better for most people.

625
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, it's about time. I mean, you know, we

626
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: were we were of the age which was wrong, but

627
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: it was the time. It was of hey, you're a cop,

628
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: deal with it, you know, and that was it. It's

629
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: your job, you know. We used to hear that all

630
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: the time. And the problem at the time was the

631
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: ramifications of it. If you went to someone said I

632
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: have a problem, I have a mental health issue, whatever

633
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: it might be. Your gun was taken, your shield was taken.

634
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: You'll put on a midnight shift watching a parking lot.

635
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's what it was. You weren't a cop anymore.

636
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: You weren't technically, but you weren't. And that's what worry

637
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: people in the police department of I don't want, you know,

638
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: that to happen to me. I love being a cop.

639
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: Just because I saw something one day, I'll just keep

640
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: it to myself. But like I said, we have so

641
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: many traumatic events that happen in just the course of

642
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: a day, it's going to get to a point where

643
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: you just can't take it anymore, and sometimes that's too late.

644
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: So I openly I'm thrilled that there's more mental health

645
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: issu you know, avenues out there that they can seek

646
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: help and talk to someone in different organizations that are

647
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: out there now other than when I was on, and

648
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: I just hope that they take advantage of it and

649
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: get that help, because sometimes all it takes is one

650
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: conversation and one this is what I went through. Hey

651
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Speaker 1: do this, call me back next week, and you know,

652
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: things can feel better. And you know, we do talk

653
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: about it on our show all the time, of the

654
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: organizations that we're involved in outreaching to departments to make

655
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: sure that everyone's okay.

656
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really happy to hear that because a lot

657
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: of times people that work in this field don't have

658
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: someone to go home to and talk to about it,

659
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 2: and sometimes that's not even enough. So it is nice

660
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: to hear that at least they're offering those resources to

661
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 2: people now.

662
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: So this next story that.

663
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: We have involves not exactly a police officer walking in

664
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: with his own eyes or her own eyes and seeing

665
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: something horrific. But the talk of we talk about this

666
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 2: of looking over surveillance films, or sometimes we hear about

667
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: these horrible child pornography cases where police have to look

668
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: through people's phones and see this shit, which is disturbing. So, Maria,

669
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 2: do you want to talk about this next case? Yeah,

670
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: So police are contacted when the conductor of this R

671
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: train in New York City found this thirty seven year

672
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: old man who was dead. So of course they're like,

673
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 2: we gotta look through all the security footage and see

674
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: exactly what happened. So they figured out that he got

675
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: on the train four hours before they found him. At

676
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: some point during this he passed away, and then after

677
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: he was dead, somebody not only robbed him, but then

678
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: another person sexually assaulted his dead body. And so now

679
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: they have to try to find these two separate people

680
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: that went after a corpse on the train.

681
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 3: What's happening in New York right now?

682
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: Tom, Like, seriously, you couldn't put that as a script

683
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: in a movie.

684
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: I really it's happening. But listen, there's wing nuts out there.

685
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: It's just wild, weird people out there that have no guardrails,

686
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: no bounds, no mental acuity, no, just this is what

687
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing. That's it.

688
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: Is it about the subway. It's the subway that's like

689
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: it tracks, it seems.

690
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the New York City subway is is just

691
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: a horror movie. Why you know, it's it's escaped from

692
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: New York. It's a horror movie. And that's what it is.

693
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: And the most unfortunate part of what I just said,

694
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: ninety percent of people that are in the subway are

695
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: a good, hard working people just trying to get to work.

696
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: But you're surrounded by this just dwellers of whatever they are,

697
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: and you just explained two of them. The robbery part,

698
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: I get that's happened many times, either people sleeping or

699
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, dead. I haven't heard of that often. But

700
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: people sleeping getting robbed was endless. That happened all the time.

701
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: That was a I mean, unless you were a half

702
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean out of your mind. You didn't fall asleep,

703
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: you didn't close your eyesen to win. That was a rule,

704
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, but people did because of working later or

705
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. But robberies that happened with people

706
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: sleeping was an ongoing thing.

707
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: She's probably so skewed out because she probably thought the

708
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: dude was sleeping and like in felt his pockets and stuff.

709
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: And now she's like, oh my god, he was dead.

710
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: I touched a dead person. It's a wild assumption that

711
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: that person even cares if the person was dead or alive.

712
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: If they're gonna just like pickpocket somebody on the train. Yeah,

713
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: that's no level compared to putting this other guy took

714
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: his body out of the seat and put him on

715
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: the floor and had sex with him.

716
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: Like, what is happened?

717
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: I really can't imagine being the person reviewing this security footage.

718
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, we already have to figure out if

719
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: this person died, and now you are like, okay, you

720
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: got robbed. That's horrible, And then you see the worst

721
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: thing you could possibly imagine.

722
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Speaker 1: I'm putting myself in the detective's shoes for a minute

723
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: of wait a minute, what rewind? Hold on? You know,

724
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: go back as far as you can, and then seeing

725
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: that and you know, again, are you shocked? No? You

726
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: probably you're probably more laughing than shot because of just

727
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: what you're witnessing. But when you go back and look

728
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: at at video surveillances, there's so much other stuff you see.

729
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you see other crimes being committed, which is

730
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: always interesting. You're focusing on one thing and then across

731
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: the street you see like a shooting, like, oh wait

732
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: a minute, there, that happened too. So when it comes

733
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: to just videos, anything's possible. But that story in the

734
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: New York City subway system, it's just another story.

735
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: So would they come.

736
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: Let I just want to know the procedure, just because

737
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm interested though. So somebody will called nine one one

738
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: and say they found a dead body, and I know

739
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: they'll send like EMS, even though the guy's clearly dead

740
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. So they'll send someone like you

741
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: as a detective and say, here's the surveillance footage, and

742
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: do you actually have to go to the subway and

743
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: look at it or they give you some kind of

744
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: tape that you could view in your office.

745
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: It depends on the system. Uh, And that's exactly what happened.

746
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: You know.

747
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: They'll call nine one one EMS and the patrol guys

748
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: will show up. They'll establish that he's dead. EMS will

749
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: just say he's dead. You need the corner to come

750
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: to officially say he's dead, but EMS can can kind

751
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: of let you know. Then you would start because it's

752
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: a unusual circumstance, So you would start somewhat making a

753
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: crime scene and roping some things off some a part

754
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: of the platform, the car obviously that he was found in.

755
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: And then the surveillance part of it is going to

756
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: be up to the system that you have. Is it

757
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: can it be transferred to a CD or DVD? You

758
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: know that you could bring it with you to look at.

759
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: Do you have to watch it in their system? All that,

760
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: But you would have a starting point you kind of

761
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: work backwards, Okay, there he is dead, and then you

762
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: would just kind of rewind it to a point of

763
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: maybe seeing him come on. But then you go even

764
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: further than that nicole of where did he start walking from?

765
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Speaker 1: Did anyone follow him? You know, So you can't just say,

766
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: all right, he's dead. There's a reason for it. And

767
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: until the autopsy's done, like you know, and is a

768
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: confirmed cause of death, you have to assume there's a

769
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: crime committee. So you're going to keep backing up that

770
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: video and even get additional videos from the street of

771
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: like I said, did he have a problem with anyone

772
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: on the street? Did anyone follow him into the car?

773
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: Was any of that happening? So there's a lot to

774
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: do when it comes to piecing surveillance videos together from

775
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: a starting point to the end of it.

776
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: So this guy is They found out that the victims

777
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: thirty seven years old, and he was he's married and

778
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: he has kids, but he had in a strange wife

779
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: because apparently he was an alcoholic. But he was here

780
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: from Mexico working and they know that he had orrhosis

781
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: at least from being an alcoholic. They did the autopsy

782
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: and they don't know exactly how he died right now,

783
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: which to me means they didn't see anything grow with

784
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: their naked eye that determined like, Okay, hey, he had

785
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: a pulmonary embolism and drop dead, because I mean, if

786
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: you have cirrhosis and you're in ED and stage liver disease,

787
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: you're not like walking on a train and dying on

788
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: the train. It just doesn't like make you drop dead

789
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: like that kind of So they're trying to figure out

790
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: what happened. And he has this history of alcohol abuse,

791
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: so he could potentially be into drugs now or something.

792
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're gonna say, but they're saying

793
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: that they don't know. Obviously, they're going to document that

794
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: there was post mortem sexual assault, which is terrible. But

795
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: they'll also be able to get DNA from that, hopefully

796
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: and find this guy because I don't they've showed a

797
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: clearer picture of him, Like I feel like they kind

798
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: of might know who he is, but I'm not sure

799
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: as of right now that as of recording that they've

800
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: found who it is.

801
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: No, I don't think.

802
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: So. It's just so freaking disturbing, you know, And you're right,

803
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: nothing shocks you because I would have sworn the worst

804
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: thing that could ever happen was the guy that lit

805
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: the lady on fire who was alive a couple of

806
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: months ago, And you're just it's just like weird that

807
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: people are sitting around like how could I one up

808
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: that or something?

809
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: It's so nuts.

810
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, No, I was just gonna say, this kind

811
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: of reminds me of this video we had in the

812
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: Gross Room where this woman had got a detection alert

813
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: in her backyard that somebody was there, and she was

814
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: checking her ring footage and saw that a man went

815
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: into her driveway and started using a cucumber to you know,

816
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: in the grill of her car and was like bent

817
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: over in front of it. And this is what she's

818
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: watching like in her ring camera, and I'm just like,

819
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: how many other horrific things like this are we just

820
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: catching on camera when we're looking for something else?

821
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I said. You know that happens a

822
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: lot where you think it's one thing and then you

823
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: start watching it and it's something completely different, you know.

824
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: But there's so many stories that are out there, and

825
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: the subways are hard. You know, it's going through a

826
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: rough time. And this reminds me of you know, the

827
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: seventies and the eighties where you could not go on

828
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: the subway. You just didn't ride the subway because of

829
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: what was going on down there. But you have you know,

830
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: the mental health issue for people who are homeless or

831
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: whoever it may be, is an issue in New York.

832
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: And you know, you have people lit on fire, you

833
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: got people getting pushed in front of trains that are

834
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: just standing there. It's horrible, and every story is horrible,

835
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: and like you said, the next one's going to be horrible,

836
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: and one after that's going to be horrible, and you

837
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: just hope it gets to a point where it stops

838
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: or slows down or something, because, like I said before,

839
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: ninety plus percent of the people in the subway or

840
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: all good people you know, going to work, going out

841
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: to eat, go to a show, you know, whatever it

842
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: might be that have to encounter the stuff.

843
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: So speaking of mental health, because that will bring us

844
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: to our last story that we wanted to talk about

845
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: with you today is this arson that happened at Governor

846
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: Shapiro's mansion in the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. And I

847
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 2: guess the guy who got caught with this was dealing

848
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: with some mental health issues as well. I don't understand

849
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: how this person got access to the property so easily.

850
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: First thing I said, I mean me being in the

851
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: profession that I'm in or was in. That was the

852
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: very first thing. Not that he lit a fire, not

853
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: that the governor had to get out of there. Howd

854
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: he get in exactly any scale offense with the security

855
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: team there get into the house. So I don't know,

856
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: and I have no answer for that, and that I have.

857
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: A suspicion it's because the people that were watching it

858
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 2: were on their phones, I'm sure of it. Like are

859
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: there rules that if you I mean, I guess it's

860
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: a private security probably, but are there because I swear ye,

861
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: Like I drive around all the time, and sometimes I

862
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: see cops pulled over at the side of the road

863
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: for whatever they're doing, and they're like looking down in

864
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: their lap at a phone, and I'm just like really like,

865
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 2: it's and this is not just cops, this is everybody

866
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: in the world. It's everybody's checked out, you know.

867
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know who the security

868
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: team was, whether it's the Jersey State Police, which are

869
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: like in New York, the New York State Police have

870
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: the security detail for the governor. I don't know if

871
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: that's the same thing in Pennsylvania. Uh, if they're involved

872
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: ors it's a private company, but you know, you just

873
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: they should have when you when you're dealing with protection

874
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: of principles of that high level governors, the president, all

875
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: of that, there's a zero failure mission. You can't fail.

876
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: You can't not get something. You can't allow what happened

877
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: to happen. You know, I don't care who it is,

878
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: whether you like them or not, you can't have that

879
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: occur because that breaks down the system of who you know,

880
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: what other things are going on that people aren't being

881
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: protected that need to be protected. Then it also what

882
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: it does is you start the copycats. He got away

883
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,959
Speaker 1: with it. Let me try, you know, and someone might

884
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: come through and actually succeed in what they wanted to do,

885
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: and that's when you get into real big problems.

886
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it's weird because I was looking up

887
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: I just was curious about the house, like what it

888
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: looked like, and it's twenty nine thousand square feet, so

889
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: that's it's huge. Twenty nine thousands, he said, twenty nine

890
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: thousand square feet. I don't know if that was the

891
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: whole property, because.

892
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: It's a house in Seede.

893
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's huge.

894
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: It does.

895
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 2: It does seem insane, but I don't know, because there's

896
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: like a museum and shit in there, like people could

897
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 2: go visit. There's tours, they have like artifacts on the

898
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: first Florence of So I don't know, maybe it's the

899
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 2: whole property whatever. But regardless, I was looking it up

900
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: and it had the address and directions. It's just like

901
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: very easy for someone to go there, so you would

902
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: think that it was it was like hard to get

903
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: into if if you're just telling people how to get there,

904
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: it's very easily. I mean they even have things how

905
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: to get here from this highway in this highway. They're

906
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: just like, hey, come over, tours, come look at this,

907
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: Come look at that. It's just it's just like, I

908
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: don't know, it's it's just nuts. But the so the guy.

909
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: So this is something I wanted to ask you because

910
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: as soon as I heard about this happening on the news,

911
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: I was on X or Twitter or whatever, and and

912
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: I'm seeing pictures of the guy who did it and

913
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: his social media accounts and put and pit screenshots of

914
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: his posts that he was making. And I didn't hear

915
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: that guy's name for for a very long time on

916
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: the news. So what do you feel about all of

917
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: these sleuths, internet sluice like looking up all of this

918
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: information and posting it, Like, how does that affect your

919
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: investigation and stuff when people are like and stuff out

920
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: there that you don't you don't want out there yet, Yeah.

921
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: That becomes a big problem. And thankfully when I was

922
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: doing all that, none of this was around, you know.

923
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: And it's more, you know, this day and age with

924
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: with private salutes, which listen, if I know a few

925
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: you know that that have access to things, because listen,

926
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: they don't. They're not binded by the rules that we are,

927
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, they can have access to someone knock on

928
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: the door, and these people who are telling them information, no,

929
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: they're not talking to the police. So it's a different conversation. Uh,

930
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, the ability to just show up and walk around.

931
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: We have our tours that we do and when we work,

932
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: they don't.

933
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

934
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: And the access and the I guess talent, I'll give

935
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: it to them. The talent that they have investigating these

936
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: things are incredible. Of what they think of and how

937
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: they access this information is why. But you know, one

938
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: of the conversations I had with one young woman who

939
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: does it is see she had a thing that if

940
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: she found anything, she'd be in touch with the police.

941
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's important, you know, go out and

942
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: check out anything, because here I've said this on so

943
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: many shows that the police can't be everywhere, but the

944
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: public can. And if you have someone that's all into

945
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: it and is doing some digging and find some good stuf,

946
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: do it. I don't care who you are. If I

947
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: get to lock someone up in some someone else help, great,

948
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: that's awesome.

949
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: You know.

950
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: So that's where I think detectives can play a role

951
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: with some of these you know, salutes that are going

952
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: out there and have kind of that relationship with them.

953
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: When you get into you get into a murky waters

954
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: when it's a ongoing case. So what I mean by

955
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: that is, let's say serial killer, or someone's missing or or.

956
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: Like Brian Koberger or something right, and you get that

957
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: up in a second.

958
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: And you get information that might be contradicting you know

959
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. That's when it gets a little nutty.

960
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: And that's when detectives and police departments get annoyed because

961
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: especially listen, there's things with investigations, especially when it comes

962
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: to you know we just brought up before, like Night

963
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: Soccer or Scott Peterson. There's so many times that the

964
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: police have information but will never put it out there

965
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: because it's going to impact that person's actions. Them getting

966
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: notified that they are a subject of the investigation or

967
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: anything like that, that's when it gets really bad because

968
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: that's going to make a dramatic impact on the investigation,

969
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: and that's what you never want as a detective.

970
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think, like you're saying, the really positive example

971
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 2: of this we've seen is like Michelle McNamara working with

972
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 2: the police to help solve the Golden State killer case.

973
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 2: But then we have the negative side of it with Coburger,

974
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 2: for example, why that TikToker had been accusing a professor

975
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: of killing the four kids, and now that person is

976
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: going after the TikToker because obviously we know that did

977
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: not happen at this point, where that professor is not

978
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: the leading suspect at this time, and you're essentially ruining

979
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: that person's life with allegations like that. So people are

980
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: really reckless with the information they post, sometimes.

981
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: No doubt, and they lose the fact that you're not

982
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: you're not in the police department. You know, you're not

983
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: part of this. You're on your own and the information

984
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: you put out there is going to come back to you,

985
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: you know. So listen, you want to post stuff, you

986
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: damn well better be right and you know, get either

987
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: authorization or corroboration of it or whatever. But you know

988
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: it's your responsibility if you're going to go out there

989
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 1: saying stuff and pinpointing people's names and what they did.

990
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: That is so dangerous on every level.

991
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 2: That's been agree I think it drives people nuts when

992
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: they because I know for me, like especially when the

993
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: Brian Coberger thing happened, it's like it happened right before Thanksgiving, right,

994
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 2: and we didn't find out until New Year's Eve. Around

995
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve time, all that time passed and then

996
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: people are just like, what's going on?

997
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: We need to know?

998
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: The public wants to hear, like and I don't even

999
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: live around there, so it doesn't affect me at all,

1000
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: but I just want to know because I'm curious, you know,

1001
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: cause you're nosy, because I'm nosy. But like people start

1002
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: getting Nancy because they think that the police department is

1003
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: not doing a good job when they were the whole time.

1004
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: They just were like keeping their mouths up like you

1005
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: were saying, Tom, like the guy was on the loose

1006
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: still and they were trying to get him. But that's

1007
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: what makes people start, Like I mean, there were just

1008
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: like RANDO influencers just showing up in Moscow, Idaho, and like,

1009
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 2: I mean, Nancy was posted up on the folding table

1010
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: in front of the house for like a week. So yeah,

1011
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: but at least she she does this as a living

1012
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: Like it's I'm just saying, like, just people, It's just

1013
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: crazy how like people are becoming Internet detectives like that, Yeah.

1014
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: Why why social media? Yeah you have these you know,

1015
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: you had a Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys when

1016
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: we were kids and it was a TV show. You

1017
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: didn't have this because you know a lot of people unfortunately.

1018
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: You know, some are into it and it's a it's

1019
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: a kind of passion they have or hobby or whatever,

1020
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: which is fine. But there's other people out there that

1021
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: want views and they want clicks, and they want this

1022
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: and that, and that's where it becomes a problem with

1023
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: showing up to scenes and talking to people maybe you

1024
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking to. You know, it's all about that

1025
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: that wow factor on social media, and that's when you

1026
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: know things can go wrong real quick. And investigations listen,

1027
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: the smallest detail kids spinning investigation on its head and

1028
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: either naked or ruin it in a blink of an eye.

1029
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that's true. Jeez.

1030
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 2: There's Internet is just like the best and worst thing ever.

1031
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 2: Say that every day.

1032
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: All right.

1033
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: We want to know, like where could everybody reach you?

1034
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: Obviously the gold Shields Podcast. Do you have social media

1035
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: that you do that you want to show up?

1036
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: We just said yes, we have our YouTube channel which

1037
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: is YouTube dot com slash at gold Shields. All our

1038
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: shows are on there. Instagram, at the gold Shield Show,

1039
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: our website, Thegoldshield Show dot com, and every audio channel

1040
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: you can think of. We're on some that we don't

1041
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: even know we're on, which is always fun to get

1042
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: that email of hey you reached this amount. We're like, okay, cool,

1043
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: well thank you, but it's just it's a great ride,

1044
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for letting me do that,

1045
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: because that's what this is all about, just trying to

1046
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: entertain more and more people and get some some cool

1047
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: stories out to them. So that's all our contacts, and

1048
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: give us a shout, follow us, subscribe to all that

1049
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: good stuff, and.

1050
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 2: We'll forgive your Yankees hat on today's episode, because don't

1051
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: believe we'd never allow that.

1052
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: Well if if it was.

1053
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: It's so funny because when I came home from our dinner,

1054
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: I was telling Gabe about you, and I was just like, well, listen,

1055
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 2: like the good news is at least he's a Yankees

1056
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: fan and he's not a Mets fan. And then Gabe's like, yeah,

1057
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: I saw his hat, Like he just noted. He just

1058
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: like like zones in on things like that. But yeah,

1059
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: as long as you're if it was a Mets hat,

1060
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: we might have had to have a conversation with you

1061
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: before we got on.

1062
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: But I don't think in my lifetime, I don't think

1063
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: I've ever wore a mat hat. So you don't have

1064
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: to worry about that.

1065
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: You have to come with you and your wife have

1066
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: to come to a game with us, because I saw

1067
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: that we're playing the Yankees a couple of times coming

1068
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: up this summer, so we should all get together and

1069
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: have like a night at the stadium.

1070
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 3: That can come up there too. Whatever you want to.

1071
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: Do, that's easy, let's set it up.

1072
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: All right, awesome, all right, cool, all right, guys, Well,

1073
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: thank you so much, Thank you so much time for

1074
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 2: coming on this show.

1075
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 3: This was such a fun conversation. Don't forget. This is

1076
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: the last day to enter for.

1077
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 2: The one million download giveaway, and we're going to announce

1078
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: the winners next week. Thank you for listening to Mother

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Speaker 2: Knows Death. As a reminder, my training is as a

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Speaker 2: pathologist's assistant. I have a master's level education and specialize

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Speaker 2: in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a doctor,

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Speaker 2: and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or

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Speaker 2: alive without the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show,

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Speaker 2: my website and social media accounts are designed to educate

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Speaker 2: and inform people based on my experience working in pathology,

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Speaker 2: so they can make healthier decisions regarding their life and

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Speaker 2: well being. Always remember that science is changing every day

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Speaker 2: and the opinions expressed in this episode are based on

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Speaker 2: my knowledge of those subjects at the time of publication.

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Speaker 2: If you are having a medical price problem, have a

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Speaker 2: medical question, or having a medical emergency, please contact your

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Speaker 3: Or hospital.

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