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Speaker 1: It is the morning after.

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Speaker 2: It is another edition of the Bark Tank presented by

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Speaker 2: Sugar Dale. Thanks for joining us, everybody. I'm back in

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Speaker 2: the home office here. My name is Andrew Siciliano. My

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Speaker 2: good friend and sideline companion Jerrod.

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Speaker 1: Cherry will join us.

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Speaker 2: Coming up shortly after a Brown's loss they fall in

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh twenty seven to fourteen. I'm going with the sideline

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Speaker 2: addition Kevin Stefanski cap today. Although I thought of not

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Speaker 2: that anyone cares if you're watching here, and we thank

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Speaker 2: as well. I thought of wearing the old school like

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Speaker 2: I wore this at last week. This is a rebock hat.

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Speaker 2: It is so old and disgusting on the inside. I

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Speaker 2: thought I'd wearing that one, But I'm wearing this one.

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Speaker 2: Browns lose. They fall to the Steelers twenty seven to fourteen.

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Speaker 2: They fall to three and ten, and with that loss,

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Speaker 2: they are officially eliminated from postseason contention. It was bad

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Speaker 2: math to begin with coming into Pittsburgh. It is now

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Speaker 2: official the Browns will not be going to the playoffs

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Speaker 2: in consecutive seasons. I really thought it was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I know, I feel like I start every show on

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Speaker 2: a Monday. When we record this on Monday, I feel

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Speaker 2: like I say it every week. I felt like it

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Speaker 2: was going to happen. I had been warned it's different

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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. I said, I don't care. I had never

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Speaker 2: been to a Brown Steelers game at hinz Akrasure, whatever

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Speaker 2: the heck you want to call it three Rivers whatever.

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Speaker 2: I know, three or was different building. I'd never been

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Speaker 2: there for a Brown Steelers game. For all the years

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Speaker 2: I'd always come in for Thursday Night football. That game

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Speaker 2: was in Cleveland. We never, on my years on the road,

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Speaker 2: had a T and F game. Of the years that

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Speaker 2: I was on the road in Pittsburgh, never been sent

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Speaker 2: there on Sunday. I was always a studio guy on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: And if I did have, let's say the Browns were

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Speaker 2: there in primetime on the road one of those free moments.

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Speaker 1: I'm not flying to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you can't fly to Pittsburgh direct, can't

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Speaker 2: fly to Pittsburgh from anywhere. Why am I going to

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh in my free time?

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Speaker 1: Anyway? You get my point?

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Speaker 2: I had never been there, and so I didn't care

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Speaker 2: about the streak. What twenty consecutive games they had won

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Speaker 2: there after the twenty season in the playoffs, that one

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Speaker 2: win cancels out all the other losses in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: Regardless they went in there, they didn't win. Now, watching

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Speaker 2: back the game on Monday morning, I get through the

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Speaker 2: first quarter, I'm like, all right, they're the better team.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna win. Clearly that did not happen. It's death

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Speaker 2: by a thousand paper cuts. You can't have a taunting

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Speaker 2: on a fair catch. You can't have a muff punt.

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Speaker 2: You can't have silly penalties like the Jermaina Fetti one grant.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to defend his quarterback. And I thought they

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Speaker 2: should have blown the whistle much earlier. Jamis was stood up.

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Speaker 2: That plays dead for progress, Stop blow the whistle. Browns

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Speaker 2: also did get the advantage of some calls as well.

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Speaker 2: You got Joey Porter Junior called forspen like when he

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Speaker 2: They got the Alex high Smith rough in the passer

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Speaker 2: clearly two steps, but you don't often see that called

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Speaker 2: because it wasn't a horrible hit. Jamis, good job selling it,

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Speaker 2: throwing his arms up into the air. Great job there.

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Speaker 2: So you did get some things go your way, but

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Speaker 2: you missed two kicks and you have those penalties, and

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Speaker 2: you have the two picks on your own side, and

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Speaker 2: it all kind of sort of falls apart. On Monday,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski said that Jameis Winston is still going to

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Speaker 2: be the starting quarterback. I do think that is the

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Speaker 2: right call. I do think you could actually beat the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: You've seen the Chiefs play this year. They find a

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Speaker 2: way to win every week. To their credit, that means

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Speaker 2: they were a very very very very good team. Nine

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Speaker 2: consecutive division titles. They are likely with the Bills lost

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Speaker 2: to the Rams on Sunday, heading to the number one

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Speaker 2: overall seed in the American Football Conference and home field advantage, right,

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Speaker 2: do you feel like you could be in with Jamis?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if we get the Jamis from New Orleans,

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Speaker 2: five hundred, I know there are picks that night as well. Sure,

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Speaker 2: let's go and and I feel that way every week,

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Speaker 1: Certainly? But you can't watch the first quarter of that game.

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Speaker 2: I know, four quarters, four quarters you need to play

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Speaker 2: And that's how I feel every week. Greg Newsom likely

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Speaker 2: not going to play this week. He's going to miss time.

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Speaker 2: According to Kevin Stefanski, left the game with a hamstring injury.

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Speaker 2: Stefanski did say Monday morning it's the same hamstring that

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Speaker 2: Newsom needed surgery on earlier this year, which is not

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Speaker 2: a good sign. Four weeks to go, Hammy, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: other update beyond that, hoping him, praying we do get

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Speaker 2: kind of good news and football clearance, because Jokay is

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Speaker 2: a difference maker, also a great human, locker room better

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Speaker 2: football team better with j Okay on the field. Interesting

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Speaker 2: Mike Hall in the defensive line room. Interesting that Stefancy

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Speaker 2: just a sliver implied that there is a decision to

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Speaker 2: But be you want to see these young guys on

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Speaker 2: the field. Juwan Briggs made a play or two the

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Speaker 2: reps there. Seventh round pick at a Cincinnati Jamari Thrash

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Speaker 2: last week or Monday. Yet, I'm sorry yesterday down with

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Speaker 2: the shoulder injury. We would love to see him get

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Speaker 2: He is not playing, but we saw Zack Zinner play

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Speaker 2: earlier in the year. The more the young guys can

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Speaker 2: get in there, the better. There is a world that

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Speaker 2: does exist where you can play to win and work

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Speaker 2: in younger players. That world does exist. Hopefully the Browns

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Speaker 2: let's play DTR, well, two things. Number One, I do

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Speaker 2: want to see DTR. I'm a fan. Number Two jamis

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Speaker 2: you can't argue it gives you a better chance to win,

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Speaker 2: and it's the chief Come on, let's go.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna put your best foot forward. It to the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: But I hear that you want to see DTR. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I do as well. I'm a fan on many levels.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that. I know that it's not going

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Speaker 2: why it isn't going to be this week. Certainly Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 2: hats off to him who did have the one sack.

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Speaker 2: He had a fumble recovery as well, and hats off

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Speaker 2: to Isaiah MacGuire for forcing that fumble in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Felt like a little bit of a momentum shift there. Unfortunately, though,

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Speaker 2: the Browns and couldn't get anything out of that drive.

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Speaker 1: Jack Conklin also played a good game.

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Speaker 2: Dalvin Tomlinson, Shelby Harris in the middle of that line

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Speaker 2: played a good game as well. I know Grant Delpitt

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Speaker 2: saw Grant delpot and Denzel Warden run support as well

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Speaker 2: more targets in the first half. He did have that

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Speaker 2: at a second base Jamis throwing up ball to Jerry Judy.

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Speaker 2: Nice nice play. Had a moment there in the pregame.

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Speaker 2: Don't know if you heard it on the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 2: radio network there when Jim Nance was on with Ken

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Speaker 2: Ken Carmon or maybe Andy Baskin. I don't remember which

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Speaker 2: part of the show it was. I apologize, but Jim

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Speaker 2: Nance suggested that during their production meeting that Tony Romo

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Speaker 2: Jamis can can take that moving forward. Obviously, the interception

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Speaker 2: Elijah more necessarily thought the ball was coming to him.

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Speaker 1: Got his head around a little bit late, through his

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Speaker 2: There was a window. It was a very tight window.

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Speaker 2: little bit here as well. Unfortunately, though that pick a backbreaker,

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Speaker 2: The Browns were trying to beat the Steelers three consecutive

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Speaker 2: times for the first time since the Marty Schottenheimer Bud

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Speaker 2: Carson era. So the late eighties my childhood here when

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Speaker 2: the Browns were winning and beaten up on quarterbacks like

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Speaker 2: Bubby Brister and Mark Malone alas. They could not do that.

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Speaker 2: But hey, new Steeler rivalry renewal next week or next year,

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Speaker 2: I beg your pardon. And the way the Steelers had

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Speaker 2: second half of the season. Wouldn't stun me. And I

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Speaker 2: have no inside information there. I just felt it leaving

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Speaker 2: just to thought again, don't make a headline out of that.

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Speaker 2: I have no inside information on that one. It's just

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Speaker 2: a thought, and my thought being that they're not gonna

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Speaker 2: give the Steelers all of their division games the second

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Speaker 2: half of the year for two consecutive years. Don't forget

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Speaker 2: Hard Knocks Episode two on Tuesday evening. When they ended

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Speaker 2: episode one, they teased a lot from the Monday night

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Speaker 2: game in Denver. They weren't able to turn that stuff

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Speaker 2: around Monday night to Tuesday evening, so I think we're

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Speaker 2: gonna see I'm just assuming a lot from the Browns

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Speaker 2: and Broncos game, and then a lot from this one

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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh as well. I know that the Hard Knocks

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Speaker 2: cameras were there the big Boom mic. You might have

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Speaker 2: seen it on my Instagram when my friend Sarah Walsh

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Speaker 2: from NFL Network was interviewing Jamis for the game. Kevin

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Speaker 2: Stefanski I joked with him during our pregame interview hour,

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Speaker 2: you Mike now and he said no, But obviously he's

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Speaker 2: miked a lot of moments and most moments throughout the week,

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Speaker 2: so good Brown's content can't wait to see what they

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Speaker 2: thrilled that we're finally welcoming Girod Cherry into the Bark

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Speaker 4: Debriefing with you today, my man, because after yesterday's performance

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Speaker 4: I really really Andrew thought we could have win that

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Speaker 4: And I know people hear that say, what are you

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Speaker 1: Record doesn't matter. We talked about that during the week.

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Speaker 2: twenty one straight years. Before yesterday, they had been twenty

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Speaker 2: repeatedly with both you and with Nathan that I can't.

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Speaker 1: Stand that stat. Yes, those losses happened. Well, the most significant.

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Speaker 2: Game in that stretch was the playoff game, which is

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Speaker 2: So they've proven that they could do it, but alas

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Speaker 2: So Kevin Stefanski said Monday morning or Monday afternoon, as expected,

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Speaker 2: I think that Jameis Winston is going to continue to

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Speaker 2: I think there had been some thought, and I was

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Speaker 1: He's sticking with Jamis. I think it's the right call, GIROD.

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Speaker 4: Think, Well, I thought they would actually go to DTR.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna be a sick like this week. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because we already know the salary cap ramifications and implications

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, I know this, whenever you

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Speaker 3: And say, you know what, I'm gonna start count practice.

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Speaker 4: We have about what four games left, so that means

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Speaker 3: That out of the locker room.

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Speaker 4: So on some levels, it's encouraging to hear that we're

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Speaker 4: not going there per se, because if Jamis truly gives

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Speaker 4: certainly want to send that message to the locker room.

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Speaker 3: Today, we're still trying to win football.

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Speaker 2: Games, and these look the schedule's backloaded here. These are

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Speaker 2: all big games. When it comes to big games, they're eliminated,

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Speaker 2: but they're big opponents. They're reasonably large stages, regardless of

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Speaker 1: But for those who don't remember.

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Speaker 2: get the Ravens Week eighteen. We don't know what time

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Speaker 2: that game is going to kick. There's a chance that

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Speaker 1: Tough schedule coming up.

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Speaker 2: They may lose a game or two, and that game,

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Speaker 2: even though the Steelers now have a two game lead

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are all legit games, and yes, clearly

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Speaker 2: Jamis gives you the best chance to win. I am

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Speaker 2: intrigued by dtr I have always been somebody going back

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Speaker 1: I believe in the guy.

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Speaker 2: I would love to see him get a roll the

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Speaker 2: that in Denver last year, but a full you're the guy,

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Speaker 2: let's do this. But even Gerard, with you eliminated and

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Speaker 2: with the injuries piling up, would that be the case.

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Speaker 1: If he gave him the ball this week? I think

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Speaker 3: But here's where it gets copy.

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Speaker 4: You've had not forty five weeks of Jamis being a quarterback,

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Speaker 4: So what does that mean.

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Speaker 3: You have a rhythm, you have a timing with the

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Speaker 4: Now you're gonna ask a guy who hasn't played that

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Speaker 4: Andrew the reason why scout team. But when you go

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Speaker 4: More unlikely because of the fact that you have to

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Speaker 3: They have a time in and all that gets thrown off.

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Speaker 4: And then when you think about the offensive line, they're

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Speaker 4: Now you reintroduce who a guy that's gonna scramble around,

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Speaker 4: that's gonna more unlikely cause you to have more holding

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Speaker 4: get me wrong, this is not indicting on my part

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Speaker 4: You just wonder if there will be a major step

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Speaker 3: Reps.

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Speaker 1: It's a fair point.

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Speaker 2: You look at and in full disclosure, I got to

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Speaker 1: You look at that play to white Hart in the

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Speaker 2: That's one where he sat down instead of continuing up field.

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Speaker 2: Jamis ripped that ball. It was tight, but that's where

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Speaker 2: you're like, OK, maybe a little more time there between

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Speaker 1: It's one small drop in the buck and I'm watching back.

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Speaker 2: You watch the first quarter and you're down there on

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Speaker 1: I want to go to the first half.

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Speaker 2: Did you feel drawed from on the sideline that Jamis

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Speaker 2: he was gonna put gas on that ball. He was

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: It almost felt like it was a formality in that

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw this pass with no intention of completing

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Speaker 3: And there was a couple other times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah to Andrew what I'm saying myself, Yeah, Jamis is

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Speaker 3: You know it hurts you. You feel like you lost

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Speaker 4: That's one of the few times you can actually say

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Speaker 3: But in this case, this was shere I'm.

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Speaker 4: Throwing the football is off, is behind the wide receiver

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Speaker 3: That's an easy pick six.

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Speaker 4: So yes, it was clear to me that jam has

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Speaker 1: View from the sideline.

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Speaker 2: Did the second Hopkins miss the one on the opening

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Speaker 4: Football is a game of emotion, and as much as

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Speaker 4: Why go out there and keep fighting. Those things become

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Speaker 4: You have to tell them to be quiet and shut

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Speaker 4: That's why we talk about momentum. Those things really take

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I have ever seen taunting on

437
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Speaker 2: a fair catch, right like, like what are you doing?

438
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Speaker 2: And then you muffed the punt, which happens, But those

439
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Speaker 2: are back to back punts kind of surprised he was

440
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Speaker 2: out there for the second punt after the taunting on

441
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Speaker 2: the previous one. But even go back to the first quarter,

442
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Speaker 2: gered he fielded a sixty yard punt on the four

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Speaker 2: yard line. One thing you're always told you don't feel

444
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Speaker 2: the punt on the four yard line, right.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the part where it's gonna be up to

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Speaker 4: the coaches and maybe teammates, because I'm not sure what

447
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Speaker 4: the level of accountability is and what the relationships are

448
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Speaker 4: in the locker room that you have these conversations with

449
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 4: guys like, hey man, your decision making is hurting the team.

450
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Speaker 4: Your decision making is not the right thing to do

451
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Speaker 4: right there in that situation and moving forward, Hey, if

452
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Speaker 4: you make mistakes like that, we can't play you because

453
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Speaker 4: we can't trust you to make the right decision.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm fairness to Tony.

455
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Speaker 4: I understand he's new to the squad, but this is

456
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Speaker 4: stuff that you learn back in your college days. And

457
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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure in Kansas City that teachers were teaching

458
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Speaker 4: the same premises as well.

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Speaker 3: So that's really not a good excuse to give on

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Speaker 3: his behalf.

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Speaker 4: But ultimately, you can't do things that make it come

462
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Speaker 4: across like you being a me guy, because even feeling

463
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Speaker 4: that one point in which he muffed, you're going backwards, backwards, backwards.

464
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Speaker 4: At that point, you are already out of position. The

465
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Speaker 4: technique has been vacated because you can't square up to it,

466
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Speaker 4: and you're gonna put yourself in a bad scenario. And

467
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Speaker 4: that's exactly what happens. So the question becomes, are you

468
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Speaker 4: trying to make a splash or are you trying to

469
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Speaker 4: make a big play, or are you doing what's best

470
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Speaker 4: for the best for the team right that moment, and

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Speaker 4: that probably is faking like you have a fair catch

472
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Speaker 4: and then blocking a gunner and making sure that he

473
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Speaker 4: doesn't down the ball in the area. That's what I

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Speaker 4: would a coach would do, and that's what I think

475
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Speaker 4: he should have done, but obviously he didn't do that.

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Speaker 1: A couple of other quick things here the Effetti won.

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Speaker 2: My brother who's always constantly texting during the game with

478
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Speaker 2: his gripes. My brother made the point that you know,

479
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: when Effetti got called for his personal foul that came

480
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Speaker 2: out of plane, which Jamis was stood up in the backfield.

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Speaker 1: And they didn't blow that dead at all.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he stood up immediately, and maybe, just maybe,

483
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Speaker 2: if you blow the whistle and forward progress is clearly stopped,

484
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Speaker 2: then it doesn't get heated like that and you don't

485
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Speaker 2: have people getting into it and throwing hands at the end.

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Speaker 1: I think both can be true.

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Speaker 2: They should have blown the whistle earlier, and Jermaine Effetti

488
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Speaker 2: can keep as cool while trying to defend the quarterback

489
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Speaker 2: because that was just a deadly penalty. And then you

490
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Speaker 2: end up hunting because at that point you've missed the

491
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Speaker 2: two field goals and you're not even going to try

492
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Speaker 2: to get Dustin Hopkins out there for a fifty nine

493
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Speaker 2: to sixty yard kick, especially into the open end at

494
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Speaker 2: that part of the stadium. Two last things. Number one,

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Speaker 2: what did you think of the last pick you had mentioned?

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Speaker 2: It was against quarters? They ran verticals over the head

497
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Speaker 2: of Elijah Moore? Your thoughts as a former dB downfield level?

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Speaker 4: Well, for my advantage point, if they did run quarters,

499
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Speaker 4: which is what I thought they did at the time

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Speaker 4: of watching them from the sideline, Cover four is designed

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Speaker 4: for four verts and four verticals. Four versus four verticals

502
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Speaker 4: mean that you have four guys running down the football field.

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Speaker 3: So what do you have?

504
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Speaker 4: You have four guys in a position over top of

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Speaker 4: them to do what cover the four verts.

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Speaker 3: So what you want to do in.

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Speaker 4: A situation where you have four verts is throw something underneath,

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Speaker 4: have someone read what's going on with the safeties in

509
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Speaker 4: the cornerback of the nickel, and just break the route down.

510
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Speaker 4: And again, just stop there and take what the defense

511
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Speaker 4: is getting you, because there's likely maybe a linebacker carrying

512
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Speaker 4: with you, but there's gonna be some void in that

513
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Speaker 4: area to where you can pick up some yardist. But

514
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Speaker 4: if you keep running down them field vertically, guess what

515
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 4: you're running right into coverage. So right there was a

516
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Speaker 4: spot where you saw just that play itself out to

517
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Speaker 4: where we have to be better than that and make

518
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Speaker 4: the right decision in that moment.

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Speaker 3: And that's cause being on the same page again.

520
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Speaker 4: But maybe we don't have any checks if they're in

521
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Speaker 4: cover for and the guys were just doing their job,

522
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Speaker 4: who knows. But quickly back to the affetti thing. He

523
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Speaker 4: was damned if he do, damn if he don't. If

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Speaker 4: the perception is he was defending the quarterback forgetting yeah,

525
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 4: because that is, so to speak, his job. But you

526
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Speaker 4: still got doing the manner of fashion in which you.

527
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Speaker 3: Jaw at him. You don't punch at him, you know

528
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Speaker 3: what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And that has to be sufficed for that moment because,

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Speaker 4: as we know, we cannot sustain any type of mistakes,

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Speaker 4: and especially when you're gonna get the football team that

532
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Speaker 4: doesn't make mistakes.

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Speaker 1: So the special thing, yeah, at that point of the field.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly so, Andrew, those are the things that really

535
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 4: really bikes the microcosm for the season of how we've

536
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 4: beaten ourselves more so than an opponent beat us, because

537
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 4: you can't tell me I walked away from that game.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't always the case. Six seven years ago.

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Speaker 4: I would tell you the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Baltimore Ravens,

540
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 4: and the Cincinnati Bengals are much better than us from

541
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Speaker 4: a talent standpoint. I don't feel that way anymore. It's

542
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: now a situation where where's our discipline at, where's our

543
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: resolve at, and where are we doing.

544
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Speaker 3: To make sure that we can beat these teams?

545
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Speaker 4: Because again, what's the up thinking about yesterday's loss was

546
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: we were capable of beating that team.

547
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Speaker 3: You saw that in the first half, but obviously it's

548
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Speaker 3: a four quarter game and you have to sustain it.

549
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what James said afterwards, and I'm paraphrasing something

550
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: along the lines of the Pittsburgh Steelers, let the Cleveland

551
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 2: Browns beat the Cleveland Browns. Right at the end they did.

552
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: Look the you make those kicks, you're thirteen thirteen. It fill,

553
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: it's a different game. I'm not putting it all on Dustin' shoulders. Wow,

554
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: because there are enough things that we've talked about in

555
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: the last fifteen minutes that all contribute to it. But

556
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Speaker 2: you just kind of felt it slipping away there and

557
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 2: then eventually it did. All right, let's quickly turn our

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Speaker 2: attention to week fifteen, Gerard, with that beautiful Is that

559
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: like a two story Christmas tree behind you or is

560
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: it the way your camera's tilted. That thing looks like

561
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: it goes from from the Florida the second level, third

562
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: level ceiling there.

563
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Speaker 1: How big is that thing?

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00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 3: It goes to the second level. Yeah, so this is nice.

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Speaker 2: That is a sizable tree. Well done, Cherry family. My

566
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Speaker 2: thought though, on next week, only one thing that matters, Gerard.

567
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: Are you going to now that the RAS tour is

568
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: over and Taylor Swift could be in the building, have

569
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Speaker 2: some kind of Taylor Swift get up, going on the sideline, No.

570
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Speaker 3: Going on that path.

571
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Speaker 4: You know, I have much love, for much love for

572
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Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey because I'm here to tell you Andrews every

573
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 4: time we play against them, he shows Cleveland nothing but love.

574
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: I can tell you the time we were in the

575
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Speaker 4: locker room area and he didn't play in this preseason

576
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 4: game and someone was talking trash from Casey about Cleveland.

577
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: As he was walking out, he literally stopped and said, Hey, man,

578
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Speaker 4: I'm from the town.

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Speaker 3: We don't take that type of disrespect. And I was like, wow, So.

580
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 4: It's authentic and true. Man, his love for Cleveland. I

581
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 4: don't misread that by any stretch of imagination. But no,

582
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Speaker 4: I will not be getting involved at Taylor Swift in

583
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 4: the Swifties and what they may bring to the table

584
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 4: for this game.

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Speaker 2: As I said earlier, I'm a huge Travis n Jason

586
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: fan for that matter. Have got a couple of events

587
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: with Travis over the years. I did some work with

588
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: Jason and NFL Network.

589
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: They are Cleveland through and through. They love their hometown.

590
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: It's going to be great to have Travis back and

591
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: represent Cleveland Heights.

592
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: And how about Max Stevens, the Browns honored last.

593
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Speaker 2: Week, not their coach when they were playing there, but

594
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: Max Stevens, the twenty twenty fourth Cleveland Browns High school

595
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: coach of the Year. Hopefully maybe he's in the building

596
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: as well as the Kelsey's come back home the Chiefs,

597
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: fresh off winning the AFC West title on Sunday night

598
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: with a kick off the upright off the Matthew upright.

599
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: See what we did there that somehow went in and

600
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: they come back and you know what, Look, we saw

601
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: it against the Ravens, we saw it against the Broncos.

602
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: We've seen it a bunch of times. Today.

603
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: The Browns are good enough with Jamis slinging it to

604
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: beat any team on any given day.

605
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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be fun.

606
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: And I give Gibby until maybe Tuesday to take himself

607
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: out of the me Nathan Gibbie text chain that was

608
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: nothing but Nathan Taylor Swift jokes on the flight home

609
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: on Sunday as he's trying to work as many Taylor

610
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Speaker 2: Swift references into the broadcast. You have been warned this

611
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Speaker 2: coming week. Happy holidays you and your family. Glad we

612
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Speaker 2: finally did this.

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Speaker 1: A great week man, I'll see you this weekend.

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00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: I also kind of feel like, now after seeing Gerrod's

615
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: Christmas tree game, that maybe in future episodes of the

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Speaker 2: Bark Tank we have to get out of the home

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Speaker 2: office and somehow move around. Maybe maybe I'll do it

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Speaker 2: like I do in my Instagram and We'll do an

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Speaker 2: entire bark Tank episode or that you see on the

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Speaker 2: Browns Insiders, on the Browns ig on on Saturday and Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll do it on the beach, do a bark

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Speaker 2: Tank on the beach bark Tank meets shark Tank bark Tank. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'm spitballing. Hey, like, set us here ideas right,

624
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Speaker 2: like comment or hit me up on the Twitter or

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Speaker 2: the IG at Andrew Ceciliana or the Tiki Talk Andrew

626
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Speaker 2: Dott Ceciliano. Either way, Browns lose three and ten, they

627
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: can still beat the Chiefs. Color me an optimist. I

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Speaker 2: am truly. We will see you at Huntington bank Field

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Speaker 2: coming up on Sunday, Sunday Sunday, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey

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Speaker 2: and and maybe maybe some singer who no longer has

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Speaker 2: a tour in town.

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Speaker 1: We will see you there. Remember it.

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