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Speaker 1: What Is Up, Mets fans, Welcome back another episode video

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Up podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about the next Mets ace.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of really good pictures available on the

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Speaker 1: free agent market. I'm the trade market too. We've mentioned

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Speaker 1: a couple of names in the past before, but today

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about a lot of the free

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Speaker 1: agent available options. I know the Mets signed are traded

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Speaker 1: for Jose Sirie. Carlos Mendoza finished third in the National

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Speaker 1: League Manager of the Year. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: that at the end of the episode. Right now, for

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Speaker 1: the first chunk of it, we're going to focus on pitching,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like there's no better place to start

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Speaker 1: than with Corbyn Burns, who is by far the best

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Speaker 1: picture on the market right.

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Speaker 3: Now, best picture on the free agent market. I think

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Speaker 3: your best picture on the market. I think we agree

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Speaker 3: in some other people grew us as Garret Crochet. We

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Speaker 3: talked about Garret Crochet a lot on this podcast, like

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Speaker 3: we've weirdly mentioned him like four out of seven episodes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then also we did the whole second with Luis

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Speaker 3: Castillo as well, bringing him down. So we're gonna smokes

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Speaker 3: in the Free Agent episode. I think you're right. Best

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Speaker 3: guy start with is Corbyn Burns. He is obviously the guy,

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Speaker 3: like all things considered, he's the best one available in

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Speaker 3: terms of effectiveness, in terms of reliability, in terms of age,

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Speaker 3: in terms of how could we think he's gonna age

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Speaker 3: like it's it's the best, and he's gonna cost by

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Speaker 3: far in the most money because of all those things.

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Speaker 3: He does so well and has done so well for

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Speaker 3: so many years now.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is hive mind kicking

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Speaker 1: in with the Corbyn Burns situation, but one I just

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Speaker 1: don't know how realistic it is that the Mets even

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Speaker 1: are like a favorite to get him. I know we

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Speaker 1: need a frontline start, and I know he's very good,

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Speaker 1: but there's been a feeling in my stomach the last

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Speaker 1: couple of days. I've been just like looking into more

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Speaker 1: rumors and news and articles, and it just doesn't really

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Speaker 1: feel like the Mets in Corbyn Burns connection is as

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Speaker 1: strong as maybe Mets fans want it to be.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. We've been like hard on

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Speaker 3: that line this entire offseason because it seems like David

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Speaker 3: Stern's and the Mester is unwilling to give the length

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Speaker 3: of contract to someone like Corbyn Burns will want, which

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Speaker 3: is why I think some other guys are gonna mention

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Speaker 3: later make a little bit more sense. But Corbin Burns

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Speaker 3: is going to get that same kind of like seven eight,

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Speaker 3: possibly even ninety year deal, dirty ish million dollars a year,

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Speaker 3: and he kind of deserves it based on his body

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Speaker 3: of work, Like if you go back to twenty twenties,

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Speaker 3: when Corben Burns broke out twenty nineteen, but like when

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Speaker 3: you really like stepped on the scene with twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: He's got the third most innings pitch in baseball, He's

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Speaker 3: got the fourth lowest era of any qualified picture, and

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Speaker 3: the second most f four fangrafts four. So he's just

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Speaker 3: like he is. We have a four year I guess

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Speaker 3: to a five year chunk of time where Corbin Burns

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Speaker 3: is like clearly one of the five best pitchers in baseball,

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Speaker 3: consistently effecting everything. So when you do that and then

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Speaker 3: you become a free agent in age thirty, you get the

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Speaker 3: monster deal. And maybe if we had a different, different

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Speaker 3: person running the show, you'd be more willing to sign

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Speaker 3: a guy for seven eight year deal. You do the

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Speaker 3: first four years of the deal, you take it every

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Speaker 3: single year, and then the last three you kind of say,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's gonna happen, but I don't really

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Speaker 3: care about them. It just doesn't seem like that is

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Speaker 3: the value proposition this Mets front office wants to go down.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a chance that we're kind

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Speaker 1: of we're missing out though, like they worry too much

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Speaker 1: those numbers, since twenty twenty, he is one of the

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Speaker 1: we're kind of overlooking how good he is because of

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Speaker 3: Honestly, yes, I think that with Burns, it's there's been

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Speaker 3: a stead of decline and we'll talk about that in

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Speaker 3: a little bit. But the STEATI decline is him from

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Speaker 3: being one of the three best pitchers in the league

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Speaker 3: I think that's kind of like the microscope might be

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Speaker 3: when you look at someone like Corbyn Burns, you look

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Speaker 3: at how a guy like him is going to age.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't really get by with elite velocity ever, And

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Speaker 3: like last year he actually had the highest fastball velossie

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Speaker 3: just has such a deep arsenal. There's never really a

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Speaker 3: weakness that an opposing hitter can attack. A deep bag

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Speaker 3: is like to say a lot of times in this show,

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Speaker 3: like when he faced a rioty as arriety, he throws

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Speaker 3: a sweeper his color. His sinker kind of can't really

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Speaker 3: prepare for any of those pitches against lefties. Is a

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Speaker 3: He can trust the nice situation. He could trust them

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Speaker 3: at guys on base, he can trust them in any ballpark.

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Speaker 3: And again with the third most innings pitch is twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty at least one hundred and ninety three innings in

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Speaker 3: each of the last three seasons, I know that you're

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Speaker 3: only injury prone until you're not and you're only healthy

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Speaker 3: think will injure some guys. And again said before, the

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Speaker 3: He really doesn't give up any hard hit balls. Kind

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Speaker 3: of struggled a little bit homers this year, but wasn't

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Speaker 3: really that bad. He's just he is just really, really,

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Speaker 3: possibly the best run off is just like every seven

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Speaker 3: year deal for a pitcher is bad, which I don't

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Speaker 3: the ninth best pitcher in baseball, then the sixth best pitcher

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Speaker 3: the thirteenth best pitcher in baseball, then the twenty fifth,

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Speaker 3: then the twenty twenty seventh, and then like the seventeenth again,

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Speaker 3: that would be seven good years. We're probably willing to

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Speaker 1: And I think he's doing the opposite of what a

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Speaker 1: was the uh, unaware or unsureness of what he's going

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Speaker 1: He was behind bigger name star pitchers in that Mets rotation,

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Speaker 1: but he was getting better and better every single year,

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Speaker 1: you said, there has been that drop his k rate

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Speaker 1: drop five straight seasons, which is that's that is a

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Speaker 1: little bit serious. Yeah, that's something to take note of.

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that the Mets have taken note

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Speaker 1: again I would still take him on the Mets in

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Speaker 2: It's not even close.

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Speaker 1: These are the things that make me a little bit

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Speaker 3: Isaac Groffman did a good thread on why Corbin Burns

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Speaker 3: and it got some major pub Aeric Hosler was quote

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Speaker 3: tweeting it. Yeah, it was great for clicks. Good job

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Speaker 3: by him, some of that. I love a lot of

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Speaker 3: even though his other pitches LASSI have gotte up. The

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Speaker 3: very good pitches, but they're no longer like two of

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Speaker 3: And again he did developed that sweeper. The sweeper has

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Speaker 3: been really good. It helped him a lot more against

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Speaker 3: rightty these last year. I had the forty six percent

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Speaker 3: still really, really, really good. Just twenty twenty one. Corbyn

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Speaker 3: Burns is probably never walking through that door again. Like

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's ever going to win a cy

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Speaker 3: what you give over thirty million dollars for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you can make the argument

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Speaker 1: on both sides, because I'll take a guy who finished

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Speaker 1: in the top five every year, like, honestly, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, like winning the cy Young is

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Speaker 1: like a cool accolade but Jack Durgrom wanted a bunch

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Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, I'm saying that, it's just I'm

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Speaker 3: saying that's like a place to start where it's like,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that there's ever going to be a

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Speaker 3: And It's the thing about Blake Snell is that somehow,

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Speaker 1: First, Blake Snell when he the problem with him is

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Speaker 3: But like that's he's the anti Blake Snell.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: And then, first of all, just told us now he's

435
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Speaker 3: getting more efficient with how he's facing his battles. So

436
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,200
Speaker 3: last year when he was going through and he was

437
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,400
Speaker 3: pitching deep into games, again, ten out of the fourteen

438
00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,760
Speaker 3: Stars win at least six innings. He's getting more fishing,

439
00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,880
Speaker 3: he's getting out quicker. And twenty twenty three, when he

440
00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,400
Speaker 3: had a really good season, won the cy Young before

441
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Speaker 3: he went to free your free agent, he threw at

442
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Speaker 3: least six innings twenty times. You remember the twenty twenty

443
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Speaker 3: three season, right, just put yourself back in twenty twenty three.

444
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Speaker 3: Mine for a second. Okay, Blake Snell through six innings

445
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Speaker 3: twenty times. Yeah, Zen love that. Corden Burns only did

446
00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,960
Speaker 3: that twenty one times. Logan Gilbert only did that twenty

447
00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,400
Speaker 3: many times. Santi al Contra, the king of going and

448
00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,159
Speaker 3: get deep in the games, only did that twenty times,

449
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,160
Speaker 3: same as Blake Snell's.

450
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Speaker 1: That's a good stat right there with Sandy because people

451
00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,240
Speaker 1: will always bring up he goes so deep.

452
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Speaker 3: I have another go in Mets fans. You guys really

453
00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,320
Speaker 3: remember Codai Sanga in twenty twenty three, right, he had

454
00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,680
Speaker 3: an amazing season. Amazing season. He only pitched six ending

455
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Speaker 3: seventeen times, fewer times than Blake Snell. I hate that

456
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,000
Speaker 3: everyone goes this narrative. Blake Sell he's a five and

457
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Speaker 3: die five and die doesn't pitch deap in the games.

458
00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,080
Speaker 3: This could be absolutely get a lightning bull gets smited

459
00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,920
Speaker 3: for this after what they did the Shamanaya last year

460
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Speaker 3: and next year Blake Snell be able to five and

461
00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,320
Speaker 3: dive again on the Mets, but he's going to pitch

462
00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,120
Speaker 3: deep in the games. He's even been vocal he wants

463
00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,080
Speaker 3: to pitch deeper into games. He said something he can do,

464
00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,000
Speaker 3: he wants to do that he will do when he

465
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Speaker 3: goes to his new team.

466
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Speaker 1: He tried to fight Kevin Cash. He was like, I'm

467
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Speaker 1: not coming out of this games, Yes.

468
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Speaker 3: You are, and then we all saw what happened again.

469
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Speaker 3: I'll whatever, not that gonna hold out against Kevin Cash exactly.

470
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Speaker 3: But I think that Blake Snell just offers this cantalizing

471
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Speaker 3: upside without the longest, long term contract that really would

472
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Speaker 3: fit I think what the Mets are trying to do

473
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Speaker 3: really well.

474
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I like I said this, there's a

475
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Speaker 1: world where Blake Snell either is the reason we win

476
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Speaker 1: World Series along with hopefully want so to and other pieces.

477
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,919
Speaker 1: But he could be the pitching side of why we

478
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Speaker 1: win a World Series. He could also super be the

479
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 1: reason why the Mets can't actually ever get over the

480
00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:13,880
Speaker 1: hump because he's just not there.

481
00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he also might despise New York. He might cross

482
00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,320
Speaker 3: he might cross New York off the list. That's before

483
00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:20,399
Speaker 3: the process even begins.

484
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Speaker 1: I don't think so he wants he wants the bag.

485
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,320
Speaker 1: And there's there's one team that hands out the bag

486
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,879
Speaker 1: right now. It's the New York Mets and the Dodgers.

487
00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,880
Speaker 1: Those are the two teams. So We'll have to wait

488
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Speaker 1: and see a guy who's a little bit more safe.

489
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Speaker 1: I think to say, you said the Anti Blakes a

490
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Speaker 1: little more chill, Yeah, a little more chill West Coast

491
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Speaker 1: guy Max Freed. He's someone who I'm gonna I'm gonna

492
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Speaker 1: have a bad take, and I'm ready to have it.

493
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Speaker 2: I don't want him on the Mets. I just I can't.

494
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Speaker 1: I can't swallow the pill of Max Freed on the Mets.

495
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,760
Speaker 1: And it really has nothing to do with him as

496
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Speaker 1: a pitcher and everything to do with him being in Atlanta.

497
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Speaker 2: Brave who's a lefty, who's white. He probably played hockey.

498
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Speaker 1: I don't know Tom Glavin, That's all I see over

499
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Speaker 1: in my head, over and over again the last time

500
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Speaker 1: we took this great lefty Braves pitcher. I know Tom

501
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,479
Speaker 1: Glavin was way older, way older. It was the end

502
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Speaker 1: of his career. But I'll never forgive Tom Glavin. I

503
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,520
Speaker 1: hate the Braves, and I just I don't know. It

504
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 1: would be so so exactly what you'd expect for Max

505
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,639
Speaker 1: Freed to come here and suck.

506
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're also talking to the guy who's literally

507
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,920
Speaker 3: never sucked. He's never been bad. Yeah, he's never even

508
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 3: been close to bad. His highest the error in his

509
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,640
Speaker 3: career for full seasons like three point four. Like he's

510
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,200
Speaker 3: just good. Like the more I look at Max Fried,

511
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,240
Speaker 3: the more I think about him, and the more it

512
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 3: seems like where his contract is gonna wind up, the

513
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,880
Speaker 3: more I kind of can't stop myself from liking him.

514
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Speaker 2: No, man, and this is it's weird.

515
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,399
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just I fucking love a crafty

516
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 3: lefty like Freed. Heckn spin it. He's got so many

517
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Speaker 3: little tricks. He's got all these little things in his bag,

518
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,440
Speaker 3: Like he's got the distinct color, he's got the sweeper,

519
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 3: he's got the slyther. He has a fastball, he has

520
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,640
Speaker 3: a sinker. Neither those two shapes or vello are good,

521
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,639
Speaker 3: but he has him. He shows him. His changeup has

522
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,399
Speaker 3: come such a long way since he was a young pitcher.

523
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 3: And his curveball thing that was always his bread and butter,

524
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 3: is still just so fucking nasty. It's incredible. It's such

525
00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 3: a deep bag. Like I love pictures with deep bags

526
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 3: like that. Hey, there's never having any idea what's coming.

527
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 3: Last year against left handed batters, Max Freed threw four

528
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 3: different pitches at least twenty percent of the time.

529
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough.

530
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 3: That's crazy. You have no idea what's coming, and three

531
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Speaker 3: of them against the ridies, so it's just like you're

532
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 3: in these at bats and like, I love that Baseball

533
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 3: Savanta's just really good pit graphic where it shows like

534
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 3: pie charts based on every single count and handed this

535
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: for a pitcher and Max Freed's looked like fucking chaos

536
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 3: because you just don't know what's coming. It's just he's

537
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,239
Speaker 3: a fastball, he's change up, he's a curve ball, he's

538
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 3: a slyly, he's sweeper. It's it's like there's so much

539
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 3: stuff going on. It's like I love that. The command's

540
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 3: always good, the velocity is holding strong. In ninety four,

541
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 3: if he loses two ticks, I'm gonna be really really

542
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 3: scared about that. He's always been amazing in the playoffs

543
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 3: like that, It's always been really good in big games.

544
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,959
Speaker 3: Kicher like he has that kind of like tenasity to him.

545
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 3: He's got the big pad degree, high first round pick.

546
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Speaker 3: Like to me, he he kind of reminds me a

547
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 3: lot of someone we both liked last year, Aaron Nola,

548
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 3: but much more dog to be honest with you.

549
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 1: Definitely way more dog than Aaron Nole. There's no doubt

550
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: about that. He's he's won big games.

551
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 3: So like that, That's where I started thinking about this.

552
00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 3: Like my question for you is why'd we like Noel

553
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 3: so much? Not Free is just a jersey? Yeah, I

554
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 3: think it might be.

555
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: And I think part of it too is the fact

556
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Speaker 1: that like a lot of Braves fans like, we're pumping

557
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: how Max Freed is like one of the best pictures

558
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: in baseball. I don't ever hears saying Aaron Nola is

559
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: one of the best pictures in baseball. In fact, he

560
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: just kept commonly gets under underrated, if anything, but Braves

561
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: fans were obnoxious with thinking Max Freed was in the

562
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: same level as like Jacob de Gram and like those guys,

563
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: it's like he was never there.

564
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Speaker 2: He can be a very very good picture. And like

565
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: you said, he's the anti Blake Snell too.

566
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Speaker 1: Like Snell thirty four percent carry last year, Max Freed

567
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: twenty three percent with an eight percent walk right. Like

568
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 1: those numbers, those don't scare you at all. Twenty three

569
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Speaker 1: percent carry eight percent walk right.

570
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Speaker 3: Not again, I get I'm not telling you that Max

571
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Speaker 3: Fried is like the ace of all these Yeah, I

572
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 3: got that. Yeah, I think like in a vacuum there

573
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Speaker 3: there's no conversation whether or not like in one year sample,

574
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Speaker 3: we're gonna expect Max Freed, if he's in Mets, be

575
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 3: better than calla sanga, you know what I mean. But

576
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: it's just like if I have to sign this again.

577
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,479
Speaker 3: I also I wouldn't sign him a seven year deal.

578
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: I definitely don't do that either. Like, no, absolutely, I'd

579
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Speaker 3: love this. At four or five years, I'd be okay,

580
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 3: hay with it. At six, I would think about it.

581
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 3: I'd like bit my lip, but I'd be fine with it.

582
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 3: But more than that, I don't think I would do

583
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 3: It's just free to me. I see, I see his

584
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 3: incredible longevity.

585
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: To free.

586
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: I see a guy who's always gonna have another trick

587
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 3: up his sleeve. He's really good picking up new pictures.

588
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 3: He's really good adjusting his shapes. He's really good hitting

589
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: the spot when he really really has to. He's pitching

590
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 3: a lot of big games. He just seems like he

591
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: has that that edge to him that makes a picture

592
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: stick around for a very very long time. And I

593
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 3: don't know, it's something that it's hard to hard to

594
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 3: quantify with the strike card wait and walk right, but

595
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: I can just like see it and I can feel it.

596
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: And mostly because of how many pitches he has, like

597
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: how much he could he can mix it around, and

598
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 3: like I said before, those lefties that can spind it

599
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 3: just feel like they'll be around forever. It's just he

600
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 3: he does so many little things well, like so many

601
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: more than most of these modern pitchers do. It's just

602
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 3: he's a pitcher. That that's my quip for you, not

603
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 3: a thrower. He's a pitcher.

604
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.

605
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Speaker 1: I was like, I just I also get PTSD two

606
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Speaker 1: from another left handed picture in this division by the

607
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Speaker 1: name of Patrick Corbin, and I'm just like, yeah, that's fine.

608
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: But he had like way more jump off the page.

609
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: He maybe he's a little closer Blake snow though, as

610
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Speaker 1: a free agent, because Corbin that twenty eighteen year before

611
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: he signed with the Nationals, his numbers were out of

612
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: control good, they were disgusting. He had the highest k

613
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Speaker 1: RID of his career. Wasn't walking anybody who's healthy. He

614
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: had He threw innings that season and then obviously, I

615
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: mean they won the World series in twenty nineteen, so

616
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: we'd take it, but the rest of it was absolutely terrible.

617
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 2: He was unpitchable at times.

618
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're still throwing that's like that's a ninety

619
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Speaker 3: one mile an hour fastball. That doesn't have like the

620
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: incredible like jump off the page hop that Blake Snell

621
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Speaker 3: has from Ma Lefty And also again even Snell is

622
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: a bigger bag of tricks. Like back then, Corbyn was

623
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Speaker 3: just slyer slider slider, slider, slider, sly slide as much

624
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 3: as he could curve balls once in a while to

625
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 3: get the right of these, as much as he had to.

626
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: But it was just I don't know, Snell's bag is

627
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: deeper and Freed's bag is significantly deeper. Freeze got trust such, Yeah,

628
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: Freed has a satchel over there. Corbyin was like Corbin

629
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: was just such a glaring red flag. He he only

630
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 3: had one way to get hitters out, Like if you

631
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: don't swing at the slide there, I don't have any

632
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 3: other options. Yeah, please please don't, please don't try and

633
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: hit this.

634
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: No, I just I don't know. Max Max Freed in

635
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: Ames Jersy would like be so weird. It would hurt

636
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: my head a little bit, But.

637
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: I think the other side that would be fucking awesome.

638
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: If he was great, Oh my god, it'd be amazing.

639
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: He'd be so sick.

640
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,479
Speaker 3: It's just it would be nice to get that one

641
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: over on them.

642
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: Again.

643
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: I'm not even doing this in a vengeful way. I'm

644
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: just saying, like, I think he is good. I don't

645
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: think they're going to be able to pay him. I

646
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: don't even think they want to pay him at this point.

647
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 3: And I think it was just he's another guy who

648
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 3: I also think like he'd be like New York, like,

649
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: I don't know if he'd like that.

650
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was gonna be my next question.

651
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything about the Mets and Max for it,

652
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: I feel no, I've I haven't seen him at anything

653
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 3: about the Mets in any of these pictures. But I

654
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 3: just seem like they seem like they're dead set focused

655
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: on so Tho in like a very respectful way. Yeah,

656
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 3: and they should be.

657
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we've seen some comments from you know,

658
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: the other side of about Wan Soto stuff, so we

659
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: could talk about that a little bit later. Last guy

660
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: to mention, just because this is a name that I

661
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: feel like Mets fans, Mets Twitter, everybody wants to talk

662
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: about Shane Bieber. He is the guy that is perceived

663
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: as what could be maybe a potential ace in the

664
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: future for a team, if that's the Mets or not.

665
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: But really you dive under the hood, probably probably not

666
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: the case. He's I'm concerned with him. He's someone who

667
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't touch with a ten foot poll right now.

668
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: I would let someone else get him, right. I don't

669
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 1: want to be the team right now.

670
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. I don't think there's there's

671
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 3: anything that I don't I don't I don't really see

672
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 3: it with Shane Bieber at all. Like here's the wildcard

673
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 3: that get that he has the Siang Award. He had

674
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: those really good years this year when he got when

675
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: he went down Tommy John surgery, he looked like he

676
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: came out of gate blazing, looked like he's gonna have

677
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: another like classic Shane Bieber season. When he went down,

678
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: when he went on the shelf, he had twelve innings

679
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 3: nowhere and runs twenty strikeouts.

680
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: He was disgusting.

681
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 3: And the big thing with Bieber is that he got

682
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: his fastball back over ninety two miles an hour for

683
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: the first time in a few years. After that, velosity

684
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 3: fell for three straight seasons. But also maybe that's why

685
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: he got hurt. Maybe got hurt, tried to air it

686
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 3: out in his contract year, and he was like, oh

687
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: I got hurt ninety two.

688
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: Like if it drops, if it drops even a smidge,

689
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: you're fucked.

690
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: Oh well, this is the whole thing. I think everyone

691
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 3: kind of anchors onto Shane Bieber's twenty twenty season as

692
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: like he's so could be one of the best pitchers

693
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: in baseball, which that was a sixty game season. That

694
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: was that was the third of the baseball season.

695
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: It was fake.

696
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then but twenty nineteen was also really really

697
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: good in the rabbitball year. Twenty twenty two was also amazing.

698
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 3: But twenty twenty one he had a shoulder injury that

699
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 3: cropped up in June that put him on the IL

700
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: for three months, and when he came back, he was

701
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: throwing ninety one and he's been throwing ninety one since then.

702
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: And that to me is the thing where I'm like,

703
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 3: I don't trust this guy at all.

704
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, especially because I don't think the contract

705
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: like I I think people who aren't necessarily thinking the

706
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: most are like, oh, yeah, we'll give him like a

707
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: Mania Severino contract, Like yeah, like one year, ten, twelve,

708
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: fourteen million, he's gonna be wanting twenty million dollars. You're

709
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: gonna be wanting multiple years because he has that cy

710
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: young something that a lot of those guys were in

711
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: that bargain been ranged never will get, never will come

712
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: close to No.

713
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: I think you probably it's probably similar a woodriff guy

714
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 3: last year, what was that two forty I was about

715
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: to say two for forty is the number. I think, Yeah,

716
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: here's fifteen million dollars to rehab. Next year, you're gonna

717
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 3: get twenty five million dollars to pitch. That's kind of

718
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 3: what this is. And then like I get think some

719
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: teams that would be smart, but I don't know to me,

720
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 3: like Hodgers that would be smart. Yeah, you had the

721
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: shoulder injury three years ago, and then he just lost

722
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: the fell a couple miles an hour, and then you

723
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 3: have two straight years of elbow injuries. Then they result

724
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 3: in time of john surgery. And then like when he

725
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: was at the top of his game, he was throwing

726
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: a ninety mile an hour color that was disgusting. Now

727
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: it's just like an eighty five mile hour color. It

728
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: looks like everybody else is.

729
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: In the league.

730
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: The curve knuckle curve in the slaughter is still disgusting.

731
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: But if if you ask me, like, I think he's

732
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 3: a lot closer in skilled to like Manaya Kakuchi those

733
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: guys than he is to the other three guys we've

734
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: mentioned here.

735
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just I don't really want to be

736
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 2: the team that pays him and tries to get him.

737
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: Right. She seems like a blinking red light. This is

738
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: going to be a disaster, not a disaster, but you're

739
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: not You're not getting an ACE. And like the whole

740
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 3: point of the how we phrased this episode is that

741
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: this is how the Mets can try and find an ACE.

742
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 3: And I want to mention him because I don't think

743
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: he's anywhere close to the guys who actually could be

744
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: considered ace.

745
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: Like No, And then we got to just talk about

746
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: Roki Sasaki for a minute, because there's been some some

747
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: information that we've been learned about Roki one maybe doesn't.

748
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: Want to be in LA.

749
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe want to be in LA is apparently one

750
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: of the rumors that's going around, not to mention he

751
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: has the same asor in as code Icenga. Code Icenga

752
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: pitches for the New York Mets, and you darvish and

753
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: you don't worry about that.

754
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about here.

755
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: We're talking about qote Is Icenga and then secondly his

756
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: pitching coach for Chiboote. Masado Yoshi was a prominent former

757
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: Mets starter was in fact, one of the very first

758
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: MBB pitchers in Major League Baseball. When you pitch for

759
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety eight Mets, there's connections all over the place.

760
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm Pepe Sylvia in it right now. I'm connecting all

761
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: the dots.

762
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 3: I'll I'll drop to my knees if we sign okay Sasaki, yeah, no,

763
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: will like I'll I'll freak out like drop dropping to well,

764
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: I was like thanking to giving thanks to the to

765
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: the universe, to the world. What are you gonna do

766
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: for soo oh no solo, I mean n CC.

767
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair.

768
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: See, we're gonna give you guys a drunkest episode ever

769
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: if we signed one. So though, but Sasaki is he

770
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: I just I couldn't he You're getting someone who could

771
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: be the best pitcher in baseball for free. Yeah, like

772
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: when he was pitching the World Baseball Classic and he

773
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: was dropping a hundred two mile at our fastballs with

774
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: splinters that made major eye spin like that that you

775
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: literally could get. You could get out like Paul Skins.

776
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: Japanese Paul sk there could you.

777
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: It's like you did you have a twenty percent chance

778
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: to get Japanese pall skiing. It's like the the the

779
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: ninety fifth sentile ALcom brokis Saki as Paul Skins. Yeah,

780
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: and that's possible. It's available right now. And the other

781
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: thing that's interesting about Sasaki that's kind of leaked out

782
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: from his camp is that he really values teams and

783
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 3: like development systems that one are good at keeping pitchers

784
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: healthy and two can just develop them and help them

785
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: get better. We talked about this a lot this year.

786
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 3: Big ups to the Mets this year, Jeremy Haffner, Eric

787
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: y Aeger's, David Sterns for what they were able to

788
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: do with Sean and Iya, Luis Everrino, all these guys

789
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: in the staff.

790
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: Dude, even Kana had a good year.

791
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: Sevrino was healthy. Everyone pitched really well, like we have

792
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: we definitely if that's what they care about, we have

793
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: we have we can do both of those things. We

794
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: can definitely boast that. And David Stearns went and pay

795
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: his respect in person during the season.

796
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: And then of course we're in the news yesterday grabbing

797
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: a Dominican outfielder whose name starts with a J. Last

798
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: name starts with an S. Four letters for both of them.

799
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: That's correct, Jose Siri is your newest New York Met

800
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: center fielder. James tell the people at home. Initial reactions,

801
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: what were they that the Mets got Jose Sirie and.

802
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: This reactions were quite literally amazing, Like, I think this

803
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: was one of the Again, this is gonna be very hyperbolic.

804
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: This is one of the coolest moves I could have

805
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: seen the Mets making. Another one that, like we said,

806
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: we tried to do our dream offseason last week talking

807
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: about how much the Mets we're gonna need the center

808
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: fielder that they were gonna get someone we really didn't

809
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: see coming. Jose Siri is just simply like an athletic specimen.

810
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: He can run really fast, you could throw the ball

811
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: really hard, tracks down everything in center field. He takes

812
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: daddy hacks, He puts the ball on the barrel as

813
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: good as anybody in baseball relative to how much contact

814
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: he makes. Yes, yes, that's the thing with Jose Siri.

815
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: Like all of those things I just said, he does

816
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: super super well. And he's gonna cost between two and

817
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: three million dollars next year and has two more years

818
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: a team control after that. So we just got an

819
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: elite center fielder for the next three seasons. Again, we're

820
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: gonna do the downsides in a little bit. The least

821
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: centerfielder for the next three seasons. He's gonna cost us defensively,

822
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 3: defensively with some pop, and it's going to cost us

823
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: like ten million dollars for all three eleven.

824
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: Maybe ninety ninth percentile sprint speed. We know that the

825
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Mets desperately could use more athleticism on this team. Ninety

826
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: two percentile twenty nine point nine sprint speed. That is

827
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: one of the fast players in baseball ninety nine percent

828
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: tile in OAA at sixteen. So yeah, Harrison Bader and

829
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: him right there. To the best defensive center fielders in baseball,

830
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: we got the one who hits the ball a little

831
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: bit better too. He's got a cannon of an arm

832
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: like you said ninety seven percent tile and the barrel

833
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: rate is the barrel rates so fun Like you said,

834
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: Daddy hacks. When he touches the baseball with his bat,

835
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: it goes boom. The problem is and now now we'll

836
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: talk about the negatives the Jose Serie, the negatives being

837
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: that he doesn't touch the baseball very often. He had

838
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: a thirty seven percent k rate last year, nearly CV eight.

839
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: That was the worst in Major League Baseball for guys

840
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: who played as much as he did. That was the

841
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: first percentile. I don't think I've said that almost ever

842
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: in any piece of content I've.

843
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: Ever created my life.

844
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: First percentile he was first percentile and with rate forty

845
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: one point nine percent. With rate which means half the

846
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: time he swings, he's not hitting the baseball, which is

847
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: almost insane to say out loud, doesn't make sense.

848
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: He chases a ton.

849
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: He he doesn't really do a lot great at the plate,

850
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: except for when he does hit the baseball, it gets

851
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: hit hard and well.

852
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: But that's the whole reason. The gal like Jose Siri

853
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: is incredibly available all the time, like this where you

854
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: could trade Eric rds go gather and Eric Corza, I mean,

855
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: the change up was good. I think Mets fans got

856
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: a bad He got raw shake with Mets fans. He

857
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: came in that game against the Pirates and he then

858
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: they were like, get the middle of the lineupbout and

859
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: he was like, I don't think I can. And then

860
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: that kind that kind of that kind of ruined him

861
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: for that. But they did the Scared Street meme where

862
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: the kids sleeping and they shot not right now, please

863
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: not right now. But I get I think this will

864
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: be a fine pitch. That's just this is just simply

865
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: the Rays raising. This is what the Rays do. Jose

866
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: Siri just went from league him into him to two

867
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: between two and three million, and they're like, we could

868
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: take that two million and do anything else with it

869
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: rather than have Jose Siri, because we're the Rays and

870
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: we develop athletic players like giant Luca's gonna play center

871
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: field for the next year and he's going to be

872
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: finding it. They just got Dylan Carlson the last traded

873
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: for free. He's gonna be making more than Serie. Everything

874
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: just got extraneous. He got a little tight, So let's

875
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: do that. But the other thing about series is that

876
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: it's it's he just he just he just he just

877
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: goes up there and takes a hack. Yes, like the

878
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: barrel percentage that you should see on baseball savon his

879
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: barrel per contact one of the best league as there appearance. Yeah,

880
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: barrels per swing really bad, bad, very bad. Back to

881
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: back down is like the forty percentile on all of baseballs.

882
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: But that's also that's fine. You got him for a

883
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: quadruple a reliever who might know the major team out

884
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: of opening day and you had a gaping hole centerfield

885
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: and we said it, Davis Sers was not going to

886
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: the season without a defensive first center fielder. I said

887
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: that over and over again. Now he did it, he

888
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: got it. And some people were like, oh, this maybe

889
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: this is just too many outfits make the team too crowded.

890
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: When the when the season ended last year, guys, it

891
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: was Winker, it was Marte, it was Baither, it was

892
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: Tyrone Taylor, and it was Brandon Woe on the roster.

893
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: And that was with J. J.

894
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: Martinez on the roster who could do nothing besides be

895
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: the DH.

896
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think Mets fans are

897
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to really come to the fact that the

898
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: Mets are not signing a DH this offseason.

899
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: That DH spot is going to well, we'll see what happens.

900
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: I guess it depends. I guess it depends on Wan Soto.

901
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: But it seems like the plan right now, if everything

902
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: goes right, is that the DH spot is going to

903
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: be open and is going to be a revolving door

904
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: to be able to get guys into the lineup rather

905
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: than and give them a day off in the field.

906
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: And I think that was the plan last year until J. J.

907
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: Martinez became more or less free in the last two

908
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 3: weeks of March.

909
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and guess what, there will be another DH two

910
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: that will become available for free in March at some

911
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: point as well.

912
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: Like that position. As we've learned now now that every

913
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: team gets a DH, people just don't pay for it.

914
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: No, you don't need to pay for it. I think

915
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: that's also something that David cerns. I don't think. I

916
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: don't think the way last season. Why, I'm not gonna

917
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: say he regretted this. I'm just gonna I think that

918
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 3: his original plan was We're gonna use this spot to rotate,

919
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: to give guys a break, to give guys day off.

920
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: I think last year, truthfully, the plan was to use

921
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: that to give Mark Ventos a better shot to make

922
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: the opening day roster. Yes, and I'll say this, this

923
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: will be you want you want to get put in

924
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 3: the pretzel right now? Yeah, If Mark Vantos is on

925
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: the roster of the whole season, is it better or

926
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: worse than having those those couple months of J. J. Martinez?

927
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: Oh man, that is a freak and Pretzel. Did Marciento's

928
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: need to get sent down?

929
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, to become Marciento's Maybe, Yeah, I don't know. Maybe

930
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: that was the galaxy brain or fly effect. Yeah. But

931
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: similar to Harrison Bailey last year, I doubt Jose sierrigets

932
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: more than four hundred this play appearances because play appearances

933
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: aren't that good. His his careent base percentage what like

934
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: to sixty him just guessing on that two seventy five

935
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 3: the best.

936
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: So the best season he's ever had statistically hitting wise

937
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: was twenty twenty three. He had twenty five homers, fifty RBIs,

938
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: stole some basses seven to sixty one oh ps. Twenty

939
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: five home runs and fifty RBIs is nasty work, is

940
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: crazy work for Rose Siri, who, by the way, will

941
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: be hitting ninth, there's I know where he's hitting. He's

942
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: hitting ninth. He will be the last hitter every single

943
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: game that he's ever playing. He had three hundred and

944
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: sixty four played appearances this that year. This season, the

945
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: numbers went down. He was twenty five percent worse than

946
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: league average at the plate. He had four hundred and

947
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: fifty played appearances.

948
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: So it's like, hmm, I wonder where Jose Siri fits in.

949
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: And it worked with how the Mets outfield looks because

950
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: like Tyrone Taylor is still going to get look, he's

951
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: stilling to get at bats. He was a great player

952
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: for the Mets team last year. That them in center

953
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: field is a really nice like who's hot, who's cold?

954
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: Play guy, play the hot hand kind of thing like

955
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: we saw at the end of the year totally and

956
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people were I'm not gonna say upset,

957
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: but just be like, oh, I don't think we needed him.

958
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: We have Tyrone Taylor. Tyrone Taylor is a fine defensive

959
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: center fielder. Jose Siri is a disgusting defensive setonfielder, going

960
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: to make plays where you're like, I like we watch

961
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: Harrison Bader plays the centerfield. This year, We're like wow,

962
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: like smooth, beautiful. He makes plays look easy. Jose Siri

963
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: makes plays where you're like, how the fuck did he

964
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: do that? Like Harrison Bider didn't do that, How the

965
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: fuck did you do that? He did the few, He

966
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: did a few, but he did mostly like oh wow,

967
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: everything looks easy for him out there.

968
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: He made it look routine.

969
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: Jose Siri is gonna catch a ball in the gap,

970
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: like diving full extension out to the warning track where

971
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: he wasn't even in the camera frame two seconds before it, like,

972
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: and you're gonna see him Superman layout like go go nuclear.

973
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna rob a home run over in left field

974
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: where the city party that used to be, and he's

975
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: gonna eat the guy's popcorn while he's doing it, like

976
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna do crazy shit.

977
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 3: All Mets fans go on Twitter and just just search

978
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 3: Jose Sirie because a lot of different people on mess Twitter,

979
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: me and Mark included, we're just finding clips of Jose

980
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: Siri and just posting them in our tweets. There's like

981
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: fifteen defensive highlights from Jose Sirie last year where it's

982
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: just like I can't believe he caught that yeah, robed

983
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: him running gunder Henderson, he made called the ball in

984
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: the gap of Laguerrero. He made a crazy throw against

985
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: the Guardians like he does, sick nasty shit. With the

986
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: sick nasty shit. He's i'na put this nicely. It's kind

987
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: of a bit of he's he's got, he's got the

988
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: he's dripping the tea, as we like to say, in

989
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: his pocket. He makes himself, he makes himself known. He

990
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: had some issues with discipline with the Rays a couple

991
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: of times. He got benched a few times, probably half

992
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: because of how bad he was hitting it, half because

993
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: he just acts like a jerk sometimes. He also interesting enough.

994
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: Lopio brought this up. He kind of caught the ire

995
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 3: of Juan Solo one time in a in a game

996
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: in the Bronx this summer where Jose Siri hill a

997
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: home run. The Rays weren't very good this year. Took

998
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: took his sweet time around the bases, and then the

999
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 3: next day Wan Solo hit one and took three three

1000
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 3: minutes to walk around the bases, and as he was

1001
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: running second base, he looked and pointed at Jose Siri

1002
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 3: directly in standing in center field. I I don't know

1003
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: if I don't know if that's like a real grudge there,

1004
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: if any if there's any bad feelings, But he's he

1005
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 3: is the kind of guy who will get under the

1006
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: other team's skin, possibly Iris skin to his fans sometimes,

1007
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 3: but it's it's lots of high highs and lo lows.

1008
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you know again. Mike from

1009
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: Satton Island's gonna hate Jose series. He is going this

1010
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 2: is gonna be his least favorite player ever. He's gonna

1011
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 2: be like what happened to that good Harrison Bader boy.

1012
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 3: Joe from Massapequa is gonna be pissed a main May eleventh,

1013
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: Jose Siri is gonna is gonna strike out with second

1014
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: and third, nobody out on three pitches out of strikes.

1015
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna believe it.

1016
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: Later that day, he's gonna hit a home run in

1017
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: the eighth inning and he's gonna go around the base.

1018
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna take his shirt off on the bases and

1019
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna screen fuck you at the pitcher end. He's

1020
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: gonna bat flip, and if he bat flips, that means

1021
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: he thinks the pitcher is racist. Yeah, Jose Siria had

1022
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: a quote from twenty twenty where he said he purposefully

1023
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: bat flips on pitchers if he knows they are racist.

1024
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: No, not if he knows if he thinks, oh, if

1025
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: he thinks if they're racist.

1026
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: If he thinks they're racist, so bat flip on him.

1027
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: Which that's I mean, he's a completely different player than

1028
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: the Mets have had.

1029
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: In a long time.

1030
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 3: Bottom line with Jose Siri, you're getting a lot of

1031
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: similarities to Harrison Bay there, and you're paying him eight

1032
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: million fewer dollars eight million dollars.

1033
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: And now you could that that we just got, that

1034
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: could just be Ryan Stannick. You know, you know what,

1035
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: that could be too, eight million dollars to on Soto

1036
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: here take it. Six sixty wasn't enough, how about six

1037
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: sixty eight.

1038
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that could literally be a new, a

1039
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: new relief pitcher right there. That would be that could

1040
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: be Ryan Stander Clayholmes, literally.

1041
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, which would be That'd be great, That'd be great.

1042
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: David Searn's masterclass.

1043
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: Yet again, always on top of this, David Serans. The

1044
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: last thing we want to talk about briefly, Carlton Doza

1045
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: came a third manager of the year, it's it's a

1046
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: crock of shit. Best manager in baseball?

1047
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm gonna say this, And I

1048
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: told you this before the podcast started. So on my

1049
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: my season predictions on my YouTube channel, I had the

1050
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: Brewers finishing in fifth place, and boy, could I have

1051
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: not been literally more wrong? That was one of the

1052
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: worst predictions I've ever had in my life. But if

1053
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: I was, if that was such a bad prediction for me,

1054
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: like I was go all year long about like you

1055
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: think the Brewers stink?

1056
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: Do you think this?

1057
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: Then why is Pat Murphy the manager of the year

1058
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: if they if they were, If I was so wrong

1059
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: in saying that I thought the Brewers are gonna stink?

1060
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: Why was he the manager of the year then? Because

1061
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: they did what they were supposed to do?

1062
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 3: Why is the manager of the year being great on

1063
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 3: draftneck marks? Prediction?

1064
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: No?

1065
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: But why is that this game? This game?

1066
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Manager of the Year is a narrative award. It's it's

1067
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: one narrative award. What was the narrative for the Brewers?

1068
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: If they were supposed to be that good and I

1069
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: missed them, then why does he win Manager of the

1070
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: Year over Carls Mendoza who the Mets were not supposed

1071
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: to be a playoff team.

1072
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 3: They won the division. The Mets won the division, Mendoz

1073
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: would be manager of the Year.

1074
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: So this is just this is just who wins the

1075
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: most games from the poorest team? Is that what this

1076
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: award is? Now?

1077
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: Exactly what this is who has the best season, usually

1078
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Speaker 3: from a landlocked team. Okay, this is the last two.

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Speaker 3: I know winners were not landlocked, but because the same

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Speaker 3: thing in the Alte Award, Yeah, where Steven Vote wins

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Speaker 3: over a J Hinch. A J Hinch dragged the Tiger

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Speaker 3: team the playoffs with one starting pitcher. Yeah, Stephen Voorro

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Speaker 3: he was I think he came in there, like Steven Vote,

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Speaker 3: just did what the Guardians usually do every couple of years. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: which again I'm not saying anythinghere from seven Vote.

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Speaker 2: Or Pat Murphy. No, they did great jobs.

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Speaker 3: And also it seems like both of these awards wrapped

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Speaker 3: up in July. Yeah, I think that's what everyone stopp

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Speaker 3: think about. Who're gonna vote for Manager of the Year

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Speaker 3: because yeah, totally, but I don't know Pat. Pat Murphy

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Speaker 3: also did have all of the off season stuff, where

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Speaker 3: like Craig Counsel got a bag from the Cubs to

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Speaker 3: just be a manager, and then the Mets stole David

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Speaker 3: Stearns and even Christian Yelich got hurt he missed half

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Speaker 3: the season.

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Speaker 2: Quick question, who won the division in twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: for the skinal Central.

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Speaker 3: Oh wasn't the Brewers?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, just checking your Yeah, so they won division again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, back to back fam again. But they also they

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Speaker 3: lost corn Burns, they didn't have Brandon Wood or if

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Speaker 3: they lost Christian eeli trafter year, they lost the manager,

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Speaker 3: they lost a GM like that all did happen and

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Speaker 3: they still won the division. Credits Pat Papers is a

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Speaker 3: good manager. I mean, hey, we own them.

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Speaker 2: Be fair.

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Speaker 1: I really have more of a beef that Mendoza finished

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Speaker 1: third behind Mike Shilke. Get the fuck out of here.

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Speaker 1: Mike shul gets ahead of him.

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Speaker 3: That's insane, But that that's the award of who had

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Speaker 3: the better record. There were four games in the Mets.

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Speaker 3: That's the whole things.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely insane. Even though the Mets we won the

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Speaker 2: season series against.

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Speaker 3: Them, we did against and we knocked the Brewers out

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Speaker 3: of the playoffs. Yeah, so you know what really wins. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Dave Roberts should have won it. I don't think Pat

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Speaker 3: Murphy or Mike Schilter in meetings with Wan Soo.

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Speaker 2: No, they're not. Definitely not meetings with Well, Mike schild

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Speaker 2: might have almost was.

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Speaker 3: Maybe probably he might have talked to him a few times.

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Speaker 2: It might have been the reason why he was kicked.

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Speaker 3: Nevertheless, crack shit Carlson Doo is the best manager in baseball.

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Speaker 2: Goddamn right.

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Speaker 1: guys all. I don't know when something's gonna happen. At

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Speaker 1: some point we'll talk to you then. Yeah, we'll see

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: You guys very soon. Let's go on back to see

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