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Speaker 1: Heyther folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Sunday, December fourteenth, and we have a developing

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Speaker 2: story this morning.

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Speaker 1: A suspect we.

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Speaker 2: Do believe is in custody after a mass shooting at

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Speaker 2: an Ivy League school over the weekend. Welcome to this

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Speaker 2: episode of Amy and TJ on this Sunday Ropes. As

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Speaker 2: we speak, we're just getting word that, yes, shooting that

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Speaker 2: resulted in at least two dead another nine injured at

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Speaker 2: Columbia University on Saturday. They've been looking for a suspect.

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Speaker 2: It has been a herring, scary night for that campus.

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Speaker 2: We are just now coming on and they say they

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Speaker 2: got the person in custody.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this all began around four o'clock yesterday afternoon. Some

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Speaker 3: students and faculty members overnight had been literally sheltering in place.

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Speaker 3: We got word just before six am that that shelter

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Speaker 3: in place order had been lifted. And now it makes

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Speaker 3: a lot of sense because we are from what we understand,

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Speaker 3: NBC News is reporting that a suspect is in custody

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Speaker 3: in connection with the shooting yesterday. They say that the

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Speaker 3: person taken into city had a unique characteristic on his firearm,

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Speaker 3: and that firearm was found when he was taken into custody.

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Speaker 2: Now, that detail coming to was from NBC New CNN

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Speaker 2: also reporting that suspecting custody. Can you remind me where

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Speaker 2: there was a location they're saying where again, Providence is

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Speaker 2: a small place, but where were they saying?

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Speaker 3: They say it was at a hotel near the Providence Airport.

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Speaker 3: Everyone reporters who've been following the story noticed there was

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Speaker 3: some significant police activity, about twenty FBI agents all in

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Speaker 3: this parking lot surrounding this motel. And when asked, initially

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Speaker 3: I thought this was very telling. The police officer said,

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Speaker 3: this is a small state. Connect the dots, yes, this

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Speaker 3: is in connection with the shooting, and turns out yes,

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Speaker 3: Both NBC and CNN have reported they were able to

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Speaker 3: confirm with law enforcement that a man has been taken

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Speaker 3: into custody and it is the suspect in this shooting.

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Speaker 2: And this is hell of a relief for this campus because, folks,

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Speaker 2: you cannot imagine this type of terror, this type of horror,

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Speaker 2: when this happens to a campus community. This is such

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Speaker 2: a place. You have all these parents knowing they got there.

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Speaker 2: Eleven thousand kids are there, so that's a community. It's

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Speaker 2: a larger community in Providence. I'm just saying, when these

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Speaker 2: things happening on campuses, they are just terrifying. So that's

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Speaker 2: one thing, Rose. But this campus has been in fear

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Speaker 2: for the past twelve plus hours, but they had no overnight.

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Speaker 2: They're still hiding out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, can you imagine, So at four pm, and look

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Speaker 3: what was going on, folks, my college student came back

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Speaker 3: on Friday. Thank goodness, you start to get so nervous,

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Speaker 3: but here are these kids taking their last finals. Analyse

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Speaker 3: was taking all her finals last week to come home

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Speaker 3: for the holiday season. And sure enough, these kids were

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Speaker 3: taking their last finals four pm, studying quietly, getting ready

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Speaker 3: alerts just go out on everyone's phones. And thank goodness,

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Speaker 3: these systems are in place, so everyone was able to

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Speaker 2: And again, folks, we are coming to you and talking

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Speaker 2: hours before this moment, you had that entire campus literally

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Speaker 2: hiding because they did not know who or where the

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Speaker 2: shooter was, if it's among them, I think the suspect.

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Speaker 2: Initially they were saying they thought was a man in

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Speaker 2: his thirties, but didn't know if it was connected to

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Speaker 2: to give you an idea of that fear that has

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Speaker 2: just it's terrifying. So this was the alert that went

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Speaker 2: But this happened yesterday at four to twenty two, and

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Speaker 2: this was the first alert that the campus got. It

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Speaker 2: Lock doors, silence phones, and stay hidden until further notice.

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Speaker 2: Remember run if you're in an affected area, Evacuate safely

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Speaker 2: if you can hide. If evacuation is not possible, take cover,

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned for further safety information. So it started right

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Speaker 2: We had different campus experiences. All this stuff wasn't around,

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Speaker 2: to think all those kids got that on their phones yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I know, it is so scary, and you're afraid to

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Speaker 3: and I'm just imagining, as a parent, the fear because

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Speaker 3: this gunman was on the loose. And they released video

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Speaker 3: was so scary not see his face. He is dressed

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Speaker 3: me is how casually he walked out of that building

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Speaker 3: this classroom. It was specifically the Principles of Economics final

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Speaker 3: that was where the shooting started. But to see him

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Speaker 2: And they released that footage because they were, hey, does

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Speaker 2: anybody know this guy? They would have been asking for

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Speaker 2: the public's help. You couldn't see I don't think right

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Speaker 2: to think this guy had just done what they say

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Speaker 2: they got this person in custody. Don't know how he's

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Speaker 2: connected to the school, but they did tell us, unfortunately, folks,

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Speaker 2: that every single victim as a student. They came out

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Speaker 2: but still someone who was injured in all that shooting. Again,

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Speaker 2: four o'clock, they're in there, finals taking place in this building.

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Speaker 2: This is a big building on campus. You've been on

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Speaker 2: This is a good size that had classrooms, lecture halls,

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Speaker 3: I mean, have you ever been to Brown's campus. I

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Speaker 3: it is gorgeous. It is idyllic. It looks like a

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Speaker 3: so to have that be so disrupted and so disruptive

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Speaker 3: right around the holidays too, I just think all the kids.

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Speaker 3: I think about all the stress analysts was even feeling

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Speaker 2: And you know, those two kids who are being expected home.

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Speaker 1: For Christmas soon heartbreaking.

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Speaker 2: The other kids baying, Thank God, they survived. But that

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Speaker 2: is all the holidays are about now, is recovery, and

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Speaker 2: certainly about blessings maybe. But those kids were expected home.

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Speaker 2: And I think I put it like that because I'm

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Speaker 2: all these things that went into this moment to make

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Speaker 1: Christmas wins the airport. We were so excited to see her.

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Speaker 2: Didn't have to write. Actually, I said we shouldn't. I said,

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Speaker 1: We had a great time drive and play. It was great.

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Speaker 2: Ourselves in the shoes of those parents who were all

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Speaker 2: waiting on those kids to come home in a matter

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Speaker 2: no idea at this point about a motive. We have

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Speaker 2: They say they have a suspecting custody, but robes we

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Speaker 1: It wasn't really the person, So we will wait.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think they're going to make an announcement

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Speaker 2: families of the victims. That was President Trump.

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Speaker 1: And that was last night.

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Speaker 3: That's tough too, because you know, I mean, you can

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Speaker 3: The suspect is not in custody.

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean look, it's it's fast moving.

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Speaker 3: It's exactly what happened with Charlie Kirk Cash Battel. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: but out that they had the suspect, and we were

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Speaker 3: Cash Battel, when you hear the FBI director telling you

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Speaker 3: something or it's not like we need to double source that,

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Speaker 2: You said something really crazy. Just to think about the

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Speaker 1: That that completely undermines credibility. Wow, fake news, right, Oh,

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Speaker 2: But hey, just to point out that they yes, to

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Speaker 2: But folks, this is a prestigious university. We know a

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Speaker 2: this is a very prestigious school here, Brown University. And well,

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Speaker 3: There's zero expectation of violence or crime. It's it feels

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Speaker 3: And look, I'm watching outside our window, the snow falling,

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Speaker 1: Right now, we're trying to drive through a show storm

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Speaker 2: So all of that, all of that, and it could

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Speaker 3: Do that because you could see the perimeter and they

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Speaker 3: They are basically holding students in and finally yet five

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Speaker 2: Five forty two, so they knew something at least and

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Speaker 1: For Henry Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes, who will be talking

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Speaker 1: to you all very soon