1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. Your quest for podcasts 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained ends here. We 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: invite you to enjoy all our shows we have on 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: this network, and right now, let's start with Strange Things 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: with Joshua P. Warren. Welcome to our podcast. Please be 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: aware the thoughts and opinions expressed by the host are 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: their thoughts and opinions only and do not reflect those 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. You get ready to aid. This is 13 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: Strange Things with Joshua Warren. I am Joshua pe Warren, 14 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: and each week on this show, I'll be bringing you 15 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises, and weird experiments 16 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: you can do at home, and a lot more. On 17 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: this edition of the show. The allegory of the cave 18 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: and dimensions and later scientists have discovered that plants make sounds. 19 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: How about that? I'm going to play some for you 20 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: on this podcast. All Right, dimensions always a tough subject 21 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: to talk about. It's well truly unimaginable. And I'm not 22 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: going to go into all of my explanations for how 23 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: you might comprehend dimensions. I've talked about it before. If 24 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: you want to hear some of those stories about flat 25 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: land and how to wrap your mind around other dimensions, 26 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: go back and listen to episode fourteen of this podcast. 27 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: It's called Enter Dimensional Monsters. Okay, that's where I get 28 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: into the groundwork for that sort of thing. But what 29 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: I am going to do is tell you about this 30 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: story that was written I believe, almost two thousand, four 31 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: hundred years ago, that gives us insight today and how 32 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: that dimensions might play into our lives, you know, other 33 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: dimensions outside of the the three dimensions or even the 34 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: fourth dimension of so called time, and and how that 35 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: people have always been aware of this if they were 36 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: thoughtful enough. These philosophers, and of course most people will 37 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: say the all time great philosopher was Socrates and the 38 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: Allegory of the Cave. It is basically a story that 39 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: Socrates is telling. And before I get into the actual tale, 40 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: let me just point out you know Socrates, the ancient 41 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: Greek philosopher. He was persecuted for his teachings and he 42 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: was eventually executed when he was about eighty years old. 43 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: And they say that there are people who are trying 44 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: to rescue him from prison, but he didn't go, and 45 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: he actually drank himlock. I guess at eighty years old 46 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: he was ready to see something more a guy of 47 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: that intelligence. But when I was reading about this allegory, 48 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: it reminded me of something I wrote about and my 49 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: book called Use the Force, a Jedi's Guide to the 50 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: Law of Attraction, which you can obtain through my website, 51 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: and here is page one fifty four just gives you 52 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: an idea of how socrates mind worked. There's a story 53 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: about Socrates and his approach to gossip, possibly apocryphal, that 54 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: has circulated for years, and here's one version an ancient Greece. 55 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: One day, Socrates the great philosopher was approached by an 56 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: excited man who said, Socrates, do you know what I 57 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: just heard about one of your students. Wait a moment, 58 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: Socrates replied, Before you tell me, I'd like you to 59 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: pass a little test. It's called the test of three. 60 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: Before you talk to me about my student. Let's take 61 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: a moment to test what you're going to say. The 62 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: first test is truth. Have you made absolutely sure that 63 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: what you are about to tell me is true? No, 64 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: the man said, Actually I just heard about it, all right, 65 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: said Socrates, So you don't really know if it's true 66 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: or not. Now let's try the second test. The test 67 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: of goodness is what you were about to tell me 68 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: about my student, something good? Well, no, the man said. 69 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: On the contrary, so Socrates continued, you want to tell 70 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: me something bad about him, even though you're not certain 71 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: it's true. The man shrugged a little embarrassed. Socrates continued, 72 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: You may still pass, though, because there is a third test, 73 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: the filter of usefulness. Is what you want to tell 74 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: me about my student going to be useful to me? Well? No, 75 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: not really, well, concluded Socrates. If you want to tell 76 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: me something that is neither true, nor good, nor even useful, 77 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: then why tell it to me at all. So that's 78 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: the story, folks, that's been circulating for a long time, 79 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: and whether or not it's true, it seems to be 80 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: somewhat in line with what philosophers call the Socratic method 81 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: of questioning. And the point is quite clear. Why should 82 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: you develop your opinions about anyone or anything in the 83 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: world unless you can vouch for the accuracy of the facts. 84 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: I continue writing. Be mindful of this even more as 85 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: it's even more important in this age of mass media. 86 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: You cannot put yourself in another person's shoes unless you 87 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: have some direct access to the information regarding that person, 88 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: and even then you should be careful to ensure it 89 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: is worth your effort to do so. Now, that is 90 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: all I was going to read to you. But actually 91 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: there's another interesting little point that I'm going to include, 92 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: since it comes right after this. There is a fascinating 93 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: parallel to this in the Sherlock Holmes stories written by 94 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and his story a Study in Scarlet. 95 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: Holmes tells doctor Watson he was previously unaware that the 96 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: Earth revolves around the Sun. Moreover, now that he's learned it, 97 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: he will do his best to forget it. And when 98 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: Watson protests Holmes and periously interrupts and says, well, what 99 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: the deuce is it to me? You say that we 100 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: go around the sun. If we went around the moon, 101 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: it would not make a pennyworth of difference. To me 102 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: or to my work. You see. Sherlock Holmes believes that 103 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: the mind has a finite capacity for information storage, and 104 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: learning useless things reduces one ability to learn useful things. 105 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: And whether or not this is in fact true, it 106 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: is a good lesson for all of us to bear 107 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: in mind. We should strive to only take impertinent knowledge, 108 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: and even then to only occupy our minds with knowledge 109 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 1: that is relevant to our lives. So I'll stop reading 110 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: right there, and look, I'm a terrible trivia abuff. So 111 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: there's no telling how much useless knowledge that is in 112 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: my mind. But that's just something interesting to think about, 113 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: isn't it. So that gives you a little bit of 114 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: an idea, however, of the approach to life that Socrates 115 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: was supposedly taking. And one of socrates as students was 116 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: another great philosopher turned out to be one named Plato. 117 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: And Plato had a brother, and his brother's name was Glaucon. 118 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: All right, so about twenty four hundred years ago Plato 119 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: he wrote that one day Socrates was talking to Plato's 120 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: brother Lakhan, and they were having a discussion. Plato liked 121 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: to write in dialogues, as they would call them, you know, 122 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: where two people are exchanging ideas back and forth. And 123 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: so the allegory of the cave is Plato's presentation of 124 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: this story that Socrates was telling that I am now 125 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: about to paraphrase for you the best I can, and 126 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: I'll get started here. But I think you know, the 127 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: clock is gonna get us here, so I'll probably have 128 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: to take Hi right in the middle of this. Okay. 129 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: So Socrates says, imagine a cave. Now think, folks, this 130 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: is thousands of years ago. Okay, He says, imagine a 131 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: cave where people have been imprisoned from childhood, but not 132 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: from birth. The prisoners are chained so that their legs 133 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: and necks are fixed, forcing them to gaze at the 134 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: wall in front of them and not to look around 135 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:40,119 Speaker 1: at the cave, each other or themselves. Behind the prisoners 136 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: as a fire, and between the fire and the prisoners 137 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: is a raised walkway with a low wall behind which 138 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: people walk, carrying objects or puppets of men and other 139 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: living things. The men walk behind the wall, so their 140 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: bodies do not cash shadows for the prisoners to see, 141 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: but the objects that they carry do, just as puppet 142 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: showmen have screens in front of them at which they 143 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: work their puppets. The prisoners cannot see any of what 144 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: is happening behind them. They are only able to see 145 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: these shadows cast upon the cave wall in front of them. Okay, 146 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to stop right there and hopefully this is 147 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: making sense to you. These guys, they're chained to a 148 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: cave facing a wall. They can't see each other. All 149 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: they know is that they see shadows of things in 150 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: front of them. They'll know these shadows are being made 151 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: by people behind them with you know, like puppets and stuff. 152 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: Shadow puppets. Sounds a little crazy, but this will make 153 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: sense pretty soon, I think. All right, I'm going to 154 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: come back and tell you the rest. Let me remind 155 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: you this is a big, big year for me. My 156 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: new workshop and laboratory is about to mature. I have 157 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: many new, wonderful things that are going to be revealed 158 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: throughout this year. 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I 176 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, 177 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio in Sin City, 178 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden and every 179 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: night is silver. So Socrates is telling this story, the 180 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: allegory of the cave. These men are chained to this 181 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: chained up inside this cave, and they're facing a wall. 182 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: They can't see each other. They don't know anything about 183 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: the real world other than shadows that are being projected 184 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: from behind them on the walls. Okay, like shadow puppets. 185 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: So the people behind them who walk behind the wall, 186 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: so their bodies, you know, are not visible casting these things. 187 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: They're like puppet masters. The prisoners cannot see any of 188 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: what is happening behind them. They're only able to see 189 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: the shadows cast up on the wall in front of them. 190 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: They can also hear the sounds of the people talk 191 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: echo off the walls, and the prisoners believe these sounds 192 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: come from the shadows. Why wouldn't they now, Socrates suggests 193 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: that the shadows are reality for the prisoners because they 194 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: have never seen anything else. They do not realize that 195 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: what they see are shadows of objects in front of 196 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: a fire behind them, much less that these objects are 197 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: inspired by real things outside of the cave, which they 198 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: do not see at all. So Socrates then supposes that 199 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: the prisoners are released. Uh huh. So a freed prisoner 200 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: would look around and see the fire, and the light 201 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: would hurt his eyes and make it difficult for him 202 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: to see the objects casting the shadows. If he were 203 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: told that what he is seeing is real instead of 204 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: the other version of reality that he sees on the wall. 205 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: He would not believe it. In his pain, Socrates continues, 206 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: the freed prisoner would turn away and run back to 207 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: what he is accustomed to, that is the shadows of 208 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: the carried objects. The light quote would hurt his eyes, 209 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: and he would escape by turning away to the things 210 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: which he was able to look at, and these he 211 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: would believe to be clearer than what was being shown 212 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: to him in quote. But then, Socrates continues, he goes 213 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: even further. He says, suppose that someone should drag him 214 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: out by force up the rough ascent, the steep way 215 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: up and never stop until he could drag him out 216 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: into the light of the sun. The prisoner would be 217 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: angry and in pain, and this would only worsen when 218 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: the radiant light of the sun overwhelms his eyes and 219 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: blinds him. Slowly, his eyes adjust to the light of 220 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: the sun. First he can see only shadows. Gradually he 221 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: can see the reflections of people and things in water, 222 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: and then later see the people in things themselves. Eventually 223 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: he is able to look at the stars and moon 224 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: at night, until finally he can look upon the sun itself. 225 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: Only after he can look straight at the sun is 226 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: he able to reason about it and what it is. 227 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: Socrates then continues saying that the free prisoner would think 228 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: that the world outside the cave was superior to the 229 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: world he experienced in the cave. An attempt to share 230 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: this with the prisoners remaining in the cave, attempting to 231 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: bring them onto the journey he had just endured, says 232 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: he would bless himself for the change in pity the 233 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: other prisoners, and he would want to bring his fellow 234 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: cave dwellers out of the cave and into the sunlight. 235 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: The returning prisoner, whose eyes have become accustomed to the sunlight, 236 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: would be blind when he re entered the cave, just 237 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: as he was when he was first exposed to the sun. 238 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: The prisoners who remained, according to the dialogue, would infer 239 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: from the returning man's blindness that the journey out of 240 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: the cave had harmed him, and that they should not 241 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: undertake a similar journey. Socrates concludes that the prisoners, if 242 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: they were able, would therefore reach out and kill anyone 243 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: who attempted to drag them out of the cave. Okay, now, 244 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: hopefully you kept up with that. I know it's weird, 245 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: but it's actually a very simple story, and it is 246 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: profound in a lot of ways, because I believe that 247 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: this story that was written almost twenty four hundred years 248 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: ago is as relevant today as it has always been. 249 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: Because this is a very simple way of trying to 250 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: not explain what other dimensions are, because you can't really 251 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: do that in a meaningful way, but you can explain 252 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: how that we humans experience them that even though we 253 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: can't directly experience other dimensions because their brains can only 254 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: only go so far and do so much, the projections 255 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: of activity in those other dimensions are almost like shadows 256 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: in our dimension. They're like the shadows that were being 257 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: projected from somewhere else that the men in the cave 258 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: could see on the wall. They were seeing the shadow, 259 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: the projection, the flat two D representation, but there was 260 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: a far cry from the actual thing that was making 261 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: that projection, much less the entire world outside the cave 262 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: that was actually the source of everything. So, in other words, 263 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: there are some of us who who prefer to just 264 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:05,239 Speaker 1: stay in the cave and look at the shadows and 265 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: not adventure outside of that because that's what you're accustomed to, 266 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: and you also might not be able to grasp why 267 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: it's necessary to go outside. Furthermore, you may fear it. 268 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: There are other other people, however, who have a mind 269 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: that works in a different way, and they want to 270 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: go out and they go through these transformative mystical experiences. 271 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: And it can happen in a lot of ways. It 272 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: can happen through sheer study and thought, or or obviously 273 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: sometimes people say certain hallucinogens might help, or maybe a 274 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: traumatic experience. I mean, you hear all these stories. I 275 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: think that it can be accomplished, however, by some people 276 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: just through sheer deep thinking. And therefore there are people 277 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: who are able to reach out and experience these other 278 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: the other models or or or phases or forms that 279 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: bring you a closer look at the true, behind the 280 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: scenes reality. I don't think that we're ever capable of 281 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: seeing it, because you could say that even the most 282 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: ironic thing about this allegory is that even when he 283 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: goes outside the cave and he's supposedly seeing the real 284 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: real world, well he's still he's still in a cave 285 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: by our standards. Because now we know there are these 286 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: other dimensions that are beyond that. So when it comes 287 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: to these ideas about water phantoms or other bizarre creatures, 288 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: or how does consciousness work, or how can we manipulate 289 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: reality with our minds and manifest things or see into 290 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: the future or the past, it ties into this ability 291 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: that that information could well could be retrieved from these 292 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: other dimensions, and that this whole reality that we live 293 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: in is kind of a holograph, a holographic universe, or 294 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: as I call it, a holosentiate universe, and that we 295 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: are simply seeing the exterior edge of some of these 296 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: things that are existing outside of us and beyond us. 297 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: And this may be one of the best early examples 298 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: of describing other dimensions and interdimensional phenomena and how and 299 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: why we interact with it. And I hope you see 300 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: that the way I do, which is why I wanted 301 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: to share it with you, because I think that's really fascinating. 302 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: And you know, you watch these some of these scientists 303 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: today who talk about not believing in all this kind 304 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: of paranormal stuff, and then you turn around and you 305 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: talk to the best scientist in the world who have 306 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: won Nobel prizes studying quantum physics. And they say, oh, yeah, 307 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: it's Alice in Wonderland here. You know, it's down the 308 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: rabbit hole, like anything is possible, that there's no such 309 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: thing as a set reality, that there are other places 310 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: where things are, you know, information comes from and goes to. 311 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: And I mean, like, so the best smartest scientist out 312 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: there are telling us that there comes a point where 313 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: you can't really differentiate too much between hard core science 314 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: and philosophy. Right, Okay, when we come back from this break, 315 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: I'll give you one more like finishing thought on that topic, 316 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: and then I want to play this audio for you. 317 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: I've never heard this before. It's apparently some pretty new research. 318 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: Scientists have discovered that plants make sounds. And this is 319 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: another example of what I'm talking about. You may feel 320 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: secure that you know everything and then one day, nope, 321 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: new discovery. The world is much more complex than we 322 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: can imagine. I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening to Strange 323 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM parin 324 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: normal podcast network, and I'll be back after these important messages. 325 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeart Radio and 326 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast I am parin Normal Podcast Network. I'm 327 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: your host, Joshua Pee Warren, and this is the show 328 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: where the unusual becomes usual. Just to wrap up my 329 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: thoughts on the allegory of the cave and other dimensions, 330 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: My wife Lauren and I have two little chihuahuas named 331 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: Dolly and Lama, both females, and they're both very good natured, 332 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: even though we're pretty sure that Lama has got some 333 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: chupacabra in her. But you've heard me talked about that before. 334 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: And so these dogs, they are never allowed to go 335 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: out our front door because you know, we live in 336 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and these are the kinds of dogs like 337 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: especially Dolly, she's so fast. If she sees something like 338 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: a pigeon or whatever, it's like squeak of lightning. She's gone. 339 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: And you know, I have this section out back where 340 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: we have, you know, a swimming pool and a spa. 341 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: We've had a nice set up out here, so they 342 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: get plenty of room to go out back and have 343 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: some outside time when we when we're not we're not 344 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: taking them for a special walk or something. But we 345 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: never let them go out the front door. And whenever 346 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: I opened the front door, the dogs especially Dolly. She'll 347 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: run up and she'll stand right there and she'll just 348 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: want to catch a peek of what's outside. I gotta 349 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: be very careful that she doesn't just shoot right by me, 350 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: and I say, get no, get back, get back, get back. 351 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: And I'm sure she thinks that I'm just being a 352 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: mean old guy, you know, not letting her go out there. 353 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: And she has no idea that if she goes out there, 354 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: that there are these zooming cars that could hit her 355 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: at an instant and kill her. Right, that's not She's 356 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: not able to comprehend that. And that reminds me also 357 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: of the allegory of the cave that, um, there are 358 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: certain things that we humans are not allowed to do 359 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: and that might make us angry. We say, well, this 360 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: is a bunch of bull. And I don't like God 361 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: or the universe or whoever you want to blame, because 362 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: there are things that you think you should have or 363 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: be able to achieve and and and it's just not 364 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: happening for you. But you may not realize what you're 365 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: asking for. In some cases, going outside of the cave 366 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: might actually be dangerous for you. And I mean, look 367 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: at how many astronauts have died trying to go outside 368 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: of the cave a little farther. So anyway, just another 369 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: way of looking at that. Well, let's move on to 370 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: plant life, shall we. I have always believed that plants 371 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: have spirits. One of the reasons that I believe that 372 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,479 Speaker 1: now is because a long time ago, and I'm talking, 373 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, twenty some years ago, I started doing experiments 374 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: along with a Lemur team about our experiments with plants. 375 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: We would get plants and we would hook them up 376 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: to biofeedback devices and see what kind of signals they 377 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: were producing under different circumstances, photograph them with kearley in 378 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: cameras and different types of imaging, and without getting into 379 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: all the specific results, I came to the conclusion that 380 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: I believe these plants are sentient to some extent, all plants. 381 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: Not to mention the fact that if you can see 382 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: auras and you look at a plant, you can see 383 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: the aura around the plant, and in some cases it's 384 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: quite big and bright. And you know, I hate to 385 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: tell you that if you're a vegetarian, I have nothing 386 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: against you, but you're you're if you're just a vegetarian, 387 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: you're still not completely getting away with not um taking 388 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: a life, because you know, uh, you have to consume life, 389 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: I think, in order to continue living. And so even 390 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: when you eat plants, you're you're consuming some spirits. But 391 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: I never thought to hook up some very sensitive microphones 392 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: to see if plants were producing sounds per se, you know, 393 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: like vibrations that could be heard in different ranges. And 394 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: I guess nobody else did, and until just recently, because 395 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: here is this scientific journal called cell cel l dot 396 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: com to put out this report and I first learned 397 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: about it through um an article at CNN dot com 398 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: by Katie Hunt, and essentially it says plants are not silent. 399 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: They make clicking sounds. A study finds. The actual journal 400 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: Highlight says plants emit ultrasonic airborne sounds when stressed. The 401 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: emitted sounds reveal plant type and condition. Plant sounds can 402 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: be detected and interpreted in a greenhouse setting. Okay, so 403 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: this article goes on to say at CNN, plants make 404 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: popping sounds that are undetectable to the human ear, and 405 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: they make more sounds when they're thirsty or under some 406 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: kind of stress. The research shakes up what most botanists 407 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: thought they knew about the plant kingdom, which had been 408 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: considered largely silent, and suggests the world around us is 409 00:31:54,240 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: a cacophony of plant sounds they talk about Hadny, the 410 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: study co author, She said she had long been skeptical 411 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: that plants were completely noiseless. Quote, there are so many 412 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: organisms that respond to sound. I thought there was no 413 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: good reason for plants to be deaf and mute. She 414 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: is a professor at the School of Plant Sciences and 415 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: Food Security and program head of the George Sy's Faculty 416 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: of Life Sciences at Tel Aviv University. The first plant 417 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: she recorded using an ultrasonic microphone was a cactus in 418 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: her lab six years ago, but she could not rule 419 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: out that the sound she detected was made by something 420 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: else in the environment. Previous studies had shown that plants 421 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: made vibrations, but it wasn't known whether these vibrations became 422 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: airborne sound waves. To figure out whether plants actually were 423 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: emitting sounds, she and her team commissioned soundproof acoustic boxes. 424 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: They placed tobacco and tomato plants in the boxes, rigged 425 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: with ultrasonic microphones that record at frequencies between two hundred 426 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: and two hundred and fifty kiloherts, and some of the 427 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: plants had cut stems or had not been watered for 428 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: five days. Others were untouched, And they found that the 429 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: plants emitted sounds at a frequency of forty to eighty kiloherts, 430 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: and when condensed and translated into a frequency humans can hear, 431 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: the noises were a bit similar to the pop of 432 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: popcorn being made or bubble wrapped bursting. And it says 433 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: that when the tomato the tomato plants were not stressed, 434 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: they were very quiet, and a stress plant emitted around 435 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: thirty to fifty of these popping or clicking sounds per hour. 436 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: So they're saying that they don't know exactly how these 437 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: sounds are made, but they believe the noises come from 438 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: this process in which an air bubble in the plant's 439 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: water column collapses under some kind of pressure, making a 440 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: click or pop. So they say they can't conclude that 441 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: the cut flowers in your vase or are screaming at 442 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: you in pain, But what they're saying is that these 443 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: plants are definitely making sounds that could be communicating with 444 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: other you know, creatures or forms of life. And you 445 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 1: know what's funny, We could just look at that and say, well, 446 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: that's that's these are just air bubbles escaping when you know, 447 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: or something like that. But on the other hand, you 448 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: could probably look at a human and say, if you're 449 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: if you're like some giant other being and you don't 450 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: know what a human is, you could be like, well, 451 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: they just have sporadic air that pops out of their 452 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: mouth when they speak, you know. So I don't know. 453 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: Let's just give it a listen, shall we. So this 454 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: is what happens when you take the sound of one 455 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: of these tomato plants and you candense it into a 456 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: frequency that human ears can hear. This is what it 457 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: sounds like. All right, well pretty interesting? Huh what do 458 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: you think? You know? As I was listening to that, 459 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: I thought, what if I were to take that and 460 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: turn that sound into a parasymatics sigil. What would that 461 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: look like? And would it bear any resemblance to the 462 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: plant or the DNA of the plant, or you know, 463 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: any of those things. I don't know. Maybe I will 464 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: look more deeply into that and see if I can 465 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: come up with some experiments. But you know, I've got 466 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: some pretty good microphones in my laboratory, so maybe I 467 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: will try seeing if I can capture some sounds from 468 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: some of my plants. I have some pretty exotic plants, 469 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: like tickle me plants or some column zombie plants that 470 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: when you when you touch them, their leaves close up. 471 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm a big fan of playing around 472 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 1: with venus flytraps. I got some pretty weird stuff. So, okay, 473 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: when we come back from this break, there's actually another 474 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: sound that I want to bring up. You know, not 475 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: too long ago, I pulled out a rattlesnake rattle and 476 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: rattled it for you here on the show, and a 477 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: lot of people contacted me and they said, you know what, 478 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: I have no idea how a rattlesnake rattle even works. 479 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: Are there some beads in there? So when we return, 480 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: I'm actually going to I'm gonna shake my rattlesnake rattler again. 481 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why it is that a rattlesnake 482 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: rattle rattles, which I find surprising. And then I have 483 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: just a plethora of other strange and somewhat random things 484 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: that I want to get into. I'll go through as 485 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: many as I can. During the last segment of the show, 486 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: and including some interesting updates for you. So I'm Joshua 487 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: Pee Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio 488 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast i AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I 489 00:37:52,840 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: will be right back and welcome back to the final 490 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 1: segment of this edition of Strange Things all the iHeartRadio 491 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I'm your host, 492 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: Joshua pe o' warren, and I want to let you 493 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: know that you can visit an interesting display that I 494 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: just put in place recently. Of course, I own the 495 00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: Haunted Asheville Ghost Tours in Asheville, North Carolina, So if 496 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: you're going to be in that town, we'll go to 497 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: Haunted Asheville dot com and buy a ticket and take 498 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: the tour. I also created and own the Haunted Boulder 499 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: City Ghost and UFO Tour, which is a walking tour 500 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: here in Nevada about thirty minutes outside of Las Vegas. 501 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: And if you've never been to Boulder City, Nevada, do 502 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: yourself a favor and go there. And that walking tour 503 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: is Haunted Boulder City dot com. You can even drink 504 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: a beer as you take that one if you want. 505 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: But what a great little charming city. You've heard me 506 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: talk a lot about it. But I am a member 507 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: of the Boulder City Chamber of Commerce and I was 508 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: talking to the staff over there, the wonderful people like 509 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: Jill and Madison, and I said, you know, I used 510 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: to have this museum in Asheville, and I have some 511 00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: pretty interesting items that are not currently on display. How 512 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: would you feel about me displaying them for a while 513 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: at the Boulder City Chamber of Commerce. And they said, yes, absolutely, 514 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: that'd be awesome. So right now, if you go to 515 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 1: the Boulder City Chamber of Commerce, and I think they're 516 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: hours are like, you know, nine to five every day 517 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: at least Monday through Friday. You can look it up. 518 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: Then you can go in there and see two things 519 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: there on display that belonged to me. One of them 520 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:36,439 Speaker 1: is a real alien crystal skull that I attained when 521 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: I was doing my research in the Bermuda Triangle. And 522 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: it's big and it's heavy, and it's really cool and 523 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: you can learn about it when if you make the 524 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: trip to go see it, but you can get pretty 525 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: darn close to it. It's in a glass case, but 526 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: it's a real crystal skull and some people say that 527 00:40:55,080 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: it telepathically communicates with them. And then also I have 528 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: got there on display some actual rocks from a UFO 529 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: crash site that happened in Puerto Rico. I also attained 530 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: this when I was down there in doing my Bermuda 531 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: triangal research for years, and this was a crash that 532 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: happened I think in like nineteen ninety seven, and I 533 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: took this big hike out into this remote area with 534 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: a couple of friends and we found this site and 535 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: there were still rocks scorched black from this thing, and 536 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: I collected some of them and so those are now 537 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,919 Speaker 1: there also on display. So go to Haunted Boulder City 538 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: dot com. If you're going to be in the Vegas area, 539 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: come take the tour, but if you can go out 540 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: during the day, because the tour is usually in the evening, 541 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: go out during the day and see what we have 542 00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: at the visitors Well, it's the Boulder City Chamber of 543 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 1: Commerce there, which I think it's like the Nevada Visitor 544 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,439 Speaker 1: Center also sort of combined. But anyway, that's cool. Now. 545 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,240 Speaker 1: I recently did a podcast where I was talking about 546 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: rattlesnake tails and just you know, I was talking about 547 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: the noise that things make in nature, and I got 548 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 1: this significantly sized rattlesnake tail from this guy in Texas 549 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: not too long ago. I have it in my hand 550 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: right now and there you go. There there's me shaking 551 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: it back and forth. If you have a pet, does 552 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: your pet react to that? Like? Does it scare them 553 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: or freak them out? Do they know that something threatening 554 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: is nearby? Because as soon as I got this thing, 555 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: I took it up to our chihuahuas and was like, 556 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: and they did not care on the slightest It's very, 557 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: very difficult to phase them. They don't even like playing 558 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: with toys alf the time. So people said, well, you know, 559 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: what is there? Like, are there some beads something in there? Well, 560 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: let me tell you a couple of things real quick 561 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: about rattlesnake tells that are truly are just fascinating. For 562 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,720 Speaker 1: one thing, a rattlesnake can rattle its tail ninety times 563 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: per second, ninety times per second, and it says that 564 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: is twice as fast as the wing muscles of a 565 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: hummingbird sipping nectar. Isn't that shocking? You know? And scientists 566 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: are still like trying to study exactly how they do that. 567 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: But the thing is, if you cut open a rattlesnake 568 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: tail and I've not done this, but you can find videos. 569 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: At least there's one on YouTube of a guy who 570 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: does this. The most interesting thing is when you cut 571 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: them open that it looks like they're empty. There are 572 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: no beads or anything like that inside. But what you 573 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: do find is that each little layer of the rattle 574 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: is what they call a button, and each button is 575 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: kind of like an exterior button, and inside of it 576 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: is like a slightly smaller button, which is a dead 577 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 1: cell or made of dead cells. So basically, every time 578 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: a rattlesnake sheds, I think it gets like a new button, 579 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 1: and some of that dead skin stays inside. So each 580 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: button is actually kind of like shells within shells, and 581 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: so when when the snake shakes its tail, you're just 582 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: hearing those dried, hard shells kind of like banging against 583 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: each other. I don't know what much time would you describe. 584 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: Banging is not a good word, but I think you 585 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying. Like these these crusty, crunchy little 586 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: layers are bouncing off each other, and that is what 587 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: gives this amazing sound. But there are no little no 588 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: little objects or anything. Again, if you cut open a 589 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 1: rattlesnake rattler, it just looks like it's empty, except there 590 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: are two or three layers of these buttons as shells. 591 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: So that's pretty wild. In fact, we see what do 592 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: they efficiently say? A rattlesnake rattle is made of dead 593 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: tissue and its owner shakes it by twitching sets of 594 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 1: small muscles on either side of its tail. So pretty amazing. 595 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:34,240 Speaker 1: Another example of the wonders of mother nature. Right, Okay, 596 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: next thing I want to talk to you about. Oh, 597 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: you know I am. I am still collecting stories for 598 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: my new anthology called Amazing Happy Endings. And if you 599 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: go to Amazing Happy Endings dot com you can submit 600 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 1: a story. Because I've got so many great ones and 601 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: I've been I edited a version of this already, and 602 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: I you know, I love it so much. I just 603 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: want to make it bigger and bigger and keep collecting stories. 604 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: If you can just write one paragraph, that's fine. It 605 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: just has to be a story, preferably something that happened 606 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: directly to you. That it's going to be short, it's 607 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: going to be true. And it's got to have an amazing, 608 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: happy ending. And there's some examples there for you. Because 609 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to be hopefully putting this book out finally 610 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: this year. I've been slowly collecting stories, and I'll tell 611 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: you something kind of funny. I took a version of 612 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: this just for the heck of it, and I sent 613 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: it to a literary agent that I've worked with before, 614 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: and I said, what do you think about this? And 615 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you who the agent is, 616 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: but I will tell you it's not Lisa Hagen. Okay, 617 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: So this agent looked at it, and I thought the 618 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: agent was going to say, Oh, this is fantastic. This 619 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: is gonna be a big stone. Basically, the agent said, 620 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:02,400 Speaker 1: it's too positive. It's gonna make people feel too good, 621 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: and that's not what sells so much these days. And 622 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: I thought, wow, that is really said, isn't it. But 623 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: I understand this is a sign of the times and 624 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: this is the world in which we live, and so 625 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,320 Speaker 1: therefore I have decided that I am definitely going to 626 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: publish this myself through my own company, because I would 627 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: just absolutely hate to have some editor come in and say, 628 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, instead of amazing happy endings. Why don't we 629 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: do amazing terrible endings where everything just gets destroyed and 630 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: their world falls apart, and we will put dark clouds 631 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:51,279 Speaker 1: and fire and brimstone on the cover and people and 632 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:57,400 Speaker 1: anguish and say be afraid, and it'll sell like hot kicks. No, 633 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. I think we need 634 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: the amazing happy endings, and all the endings don't have 635 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 1: to necessarily be all positive and beautify and angelic. But usually, 636 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, an amazing ending is good because that's what 637 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: we like. We like good things. So I don't know 638 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,240 Speaker 1: how how much longer I'm going to keep collecting those stories, 639 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,319 Speaker 1: but you can get a free book if you go 640 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: there and just take a few minutes and write yours 641 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: for me. Go to Amazing Happy Endings dot com or 642 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: if you go to Joshua Pewarren dot com you will 643 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: find a link there at the top. Okay, I have 644 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: much more to tell you about, but it's going to 645 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: have to wait for another show because I am out 646 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,839 Speaker 1: of time. Therefore, speaking of an amazing happy ending, let's 647 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: all have one together, shall we. I want you to 648 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: make this next week the best one ever. Take a 649 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: deep breath, if you can close your eyes and let 650 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: us all listen and meditate upon listen to me and 651 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:24,839 Speaker 1: meditate upon the good fortune. That's it for this edition 652 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,360 Speaker 1: of the show. Follow me on Twitter at Joshua pee Warren, 653 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: plus visit Joshua Peewarren dot com to sign up for 654 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,280 Speaker 1: my free e newsletter to receive a free instant gift, 655 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: and check out the cool Stuff and the Curiosity Shop 656 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,799 Speaker 1: all at Joshua Peewarren dot com. 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