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Speaker 2: And puff it is a big idea, a new world order.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know they're lying. They tricked me once, but

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Speaker 3: they're not going to trick me twice. The time is now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast, David Pen, your host,

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Speaker 3: glad to be with you as always for episode number

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Speaker 3: two thirty two, coming to you this Tuesday night, the

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Speaker 3: twenty sixth of August at seven to thirty pm Central

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Speaker 3: Time on all the social media platforms. And before we start,

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Speaker 3: so pleased today to welcome back into the studio representative

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Speaker 3: Mike Wiener, who was just here and I got to

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Speaker 3: talking to him and I realized, well, we just didn't

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Speaker 3: So glad you're here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I enjoyed being on the

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Speaker 2: podcast before and we did. We covered a lot of

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Speaker 2: And I think we've got a nice list that we

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Speaker 3: I get to choose, like spinning a wheel. You have

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Speaker 3: no idea what's coming up next? Are you down for

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Speaker 3: the fair?

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Speaker 2: Man? I am down for the fair?

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Speaker 3: What are you going to do at the fair?

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Speaker 2: I was there yesterday. I spent three four hours at

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Speaker 3: Was it well traveled? I mean, was there was there

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Speaker 2: You know, for a Monday, you can always expect the

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Speaker 2: It was very positive, I would say, in regards to

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Speaker 2: What should I expect? And get to the booth and

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Speaker 2: act like there's a fake phone call. We'll do that,

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Speaker 2: you know. I thought, now I'm really nervous because I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure what to expect. But it went so well

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Speaker 3: Do you enjoy talking to the constituents when they come up, Well.

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Speaker 2: To me, it's almost like information gathering intel. It is.

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Speaker 3: And people are coming in from all over the country.

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Speaker 3: over so welcome, thank you for coming back, Thank you

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Speaker 3: for supporting the podcast. What are we talking We're talking

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Speaker 3: about something called the Minnesota State Fair, and I was

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Speaker 3: and the weather is fair. When I tell you the

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Speaker 3: weather is fair this year, some years, Tanner, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Tanner, Good morning, I'm sure you can relate

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Speaker 3: I exaggerate, it's the puffery of sales. It's miserable out there.

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Speaker 4: Down, but I nearly it's one point eight million foot

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Speaker 3: they come for many different reasons. But it is somewhat

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Speaker 2: There's so many it's such a broad draw of people.

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Speaker 2: that is not the draw for me. I do like

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Speaker 2: going to talk to people. I do like the political

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Speaker 3: An agribusiness competition more or less it is.

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Speaker 2: There is a lot of When we were just in

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Speaker 3: Well, I think if you are just last night, I

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Speaker 3: going for one last round of vegetables. Sure, and they're

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Speaker 2: Well, it was. It was a way the competition was

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Speaker 2: Actually, I would say that the Democrats have figured out

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Speaker 2: We don't do that. I don't think we plan ahead

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Speaker 4: If we do, have you ever brought it up to

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Speaker 3: What do you think their endgame is? What here in Minnesota?

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Speaker 2: I think if you look back at it, and this

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Speaker 3: Already.

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Speaker 2: That fight never ends for some people. Most of us

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Speaker 3: Well, we had that a little bit of that conversation

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Speaker 3: Get no press, nobody knows who he is. He's associated

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Speaker 1: To be a diverse party. We are proud of the

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's a division in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: There's a division in my damn house. And we're still

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Speaker 3: That's lie. That's why.

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Speaker 1: We are strong. We are strong because we challenge each other.

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Speaker 3: Who do we listen to that guy? Oh, the fella

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Speaker 1: Now he's talking about burning flags. He's gonna have flag

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Speaker 3: Man, look at you. I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: We can figure that part out. But I am willing

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Speaker 1: These are fascist policies meant to take away our.

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Speaker 1: So for all of you here, I welcome you to Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: And what I would like to talk on that wheel

436
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Speaker 3: of what we can talk about let's talk about the

437
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Speaker 3: party and what's going on in Minnesota state party, because

438
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Speaker 3: that's going on in Texas, it's going on in Oklahoma,

439
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Speaker 3: it's going on in Tennessee. Every Republican Party and every

440
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: Democratic party all over the country has I think pretty

441
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 3: much the same controversy going on.

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Speaker 2: I would there's just something that bothers me about this

443
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Speaker 2: a lot, Kari, and I'm going to go into there

444
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Speaker 2: and then we can talk about please please. He is

445
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: up in arms about the president, the President Trump pulling

446
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Speaker 2: the military into Washington, DC. That's the only place that

447
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: he can probably do that legally, probably because DC is

448
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: a federal district district. What happened during COVID when our

449
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: governor pulled the National Guard into areas in Minnesota here

450
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Speaker 2: to maintain curfews and so forth. Wasn't he militarizing the police?

451
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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a level of hypocrisy here. When he's

453
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Speaker 2: saying the president's doing it, it's horrible, but when he

454
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: did it, it was okay. What's the difference.

455
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Speaker 3: What is the difference?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's that double standard we see in

457
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Speaker 2: politics all the time. Well, the rules applied to THEE

458
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Speaker 2: but not to me.

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Speaker 3: But you could go down. And I mean, I'm just

460
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: thinking about politically. You had the threat of the virus,

461
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: which was a human health issue, and you have the

462
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Speaker 3: threat of crime, which is a human health issue. So

463
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Speaker 3: you know these What always amazes me about politicians of

464
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: both parties is their ability to take whatever and turn

465
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Speaker 3: it to their own advantage. And there is seems to

466
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: be a kind of general lack of accountability to some

467
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Speaker 3: kind of republican and I don't mean republican in terms

468
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: of party, but I mean a republican standard in terms

469
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Speaker 3: of we are in a republic. Even in this clip,

470
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Speaker 3: you know you related to that that bothered you? What

471
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: bothered me as he starts talking about our democracy, our democracy,

472
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: that's what we have done. And we get this also

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Speaker 3: on the republican side. We don't live in a democracy.

474
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Speaker 3: We live in a republic. So every time we don't

475
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Speaker 3: challenge this that we're losing our democracy, we're allowing a

476
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Speaker 3: rewrite of history and of how we perceive the world

477
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Speaker 3: that affects every man, woman and child in the country.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just going to say, if you're a leftist

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Speaker 3: and you're listening to me, hey, you know you go

480
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Speaker 3: back and look at the Constitution. It says every state

481
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Speaker 3: has promised a Republican form of governance. It doesn't mean

482
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Speaker 3: the Republican party. It means the philosophy of republicanism. And

483
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Speaker 3: here's what that is. We have some standard that exists

484
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Speaker 3: besides fifty percent of the people plus one. Therefore it's good.

485
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Speaker 3: A democracy is fifty plus one. It's law, it's good.

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Speaker 3: Republicans don't believe that. We believe there's some standard that

487
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: is spiritual, I guess, for lack of a better way

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Speaker 3: of saying it. And if we if we leave that root,

489
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Speaker 3: that historical root of our culture, like agriculture, we're going

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Speaker 3: to lose our way.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of things in that clip that

492
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Speaker 2: bothered me, that's one. But what you're saying, and people

493
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Speaker 2: need to realize that is when it comes to democracy

494
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Speaker 2: that fifty percent plus one. Our founding fathers really did

495
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Speaker 2: not like a democracy. They knew that mob rule was

496
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Speaker 2: a bad thing. Thomas Jefferson basically said that I believe

497
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Speaker 2: at one time that said, you know, a democracy is

498
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: nothing more than mob rule. Right, So when they talk

499
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: about when he was talking about DEI and everything else,

500
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Speaker 2: the mob can basically has no interest in the minorities.

501
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Speaker 2: When you have fifty percent plus one your minorities, your

502
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: small groups can get crushed. A republic actually protects all

503
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Speaker 2: groups just by how its functions, just how it's set up.

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Speaker 2: A mob, it's a horrible form of government because the

505
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: mobs are wrong, sometimes more often than they're right. It's

506
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Speaker 2: a dangerous position to be in. So you're right when

507
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Speaker 2: they say we need to protect our democracy. That's like

508
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: fingernails on a chalkboard every time I hear it. We

509
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Speaker 2: are a republic, say the Pledge of Allegiance, and what

510
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: does it say right in there, and to the republic

511
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Speaker 2: for which it stands, not democracy, and to the republic

512
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Speaker 2: for which it stands. Every one of us should know

513
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: that and realize that it's a stam we're being lied

514
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Speaker 2: to every time these people say we're going to protect

515
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Speaker 2: our democracy. That's not what we are. We are a republic.

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Speaker 3: We have to be willing to say that. And of course,

517
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Speaker 3: if you say it loudly enough and often enough, you're

518
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Speaker 3: probably going to get accused of being a white Cristo nationalist. Now,

519
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: which he's kind of hinting at that when he calls

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Speaker 3: the president that thing in the White House that is

521
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: called dehumanization. So if you're gonna do something to somebody

522
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Speaker 3: that is cruel, he's talking about cruelty, first thing you

523
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: have to do is you have to dehumanize that. That's

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Speaker 3: why people have names, very disparaging names for other groups

525
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Speaker 3: of people. They dehumanize.

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Speaker 2: Every ethnic cleansing that's taken place is basically set on

527
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Speaker 2: that same premise. You dehumanize those people, those people, whatever

528
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Speaker 2: group you want, and then it's easier to carry out

529
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Speaker 2: those atrocities.

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Speaker 3: What wasn't this guy just talking about lowering the temperature

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Speaker 3: of the rhetoric? After your colleagues were gunned down, one

532
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Speaker 3: of them killed, one of your direct colleagues, someone you

533
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Speaker 3: knew personally.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Melissa Hortman and her husband. I did not know

535
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Speaker 2: her husband, and then the Senator Hoffman got shot and

536
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Speaker 2: his wife and daughter. Yes, we were going to lower

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Speaker 2: the temperature. And this is what he comes back with,

538
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Speaker 2: you know, even the one Minnesota mantra that he ran

539
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Speaker 2: on as governor. How can you look at what he's

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Speaker 2: saying and promoting as a Democrat and say we're okay

541
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Speaker 2: with this. I have a hard time of anybody in

542
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Speaker 2: my area, especially because they are the old DFL they

543
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: really are. They believe that there's farmer labors in the party.

544
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Speaker 2: They don't realize that it's come to this point. I

545
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: don't like the hatred, the vitriol that's in that speech.

546
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Speaker 2: I really don't. I think that's a horrible way to govern.

547
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Speaker 2: And this is in our state. How is that Minnesota

548
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Speaker 2: and Ice?

549
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Speaker 3: Because he talked about our neighbors, He talked about the

550
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: cruelty to our neighbors right there. That's the pitch to

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Speaker 3: the established Minnesota and iceed culture, both on the Democrat

552
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: side and the Republican side. We can't let these cruel

553
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: policies impact our neighbors. We have to protect our neighbors.

554
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Speaker 3: Do you agree with me that that's the pitch in

555
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Speaker 3: there for the Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: And Ice Probably, But even reading the body language of

557
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Speaker 2: the way he I was going to say, performed, but

558
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: he did the way he performed that speech. I have

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00:32:53,640 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: to wonder about the mental acuity because there is obviously

560
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 2: a hatred in there, and there's a mindset that drives

561
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: a person to that passion, and that I believe that's dangerous.

562
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Speaker 2: We've seen this, these type of things from from our governor,

563
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: what's the next step. Where does this go? When you're

564
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Speaker 2: willing to, like he said, with the President that thing

565
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: in the White House, dehumanize if you're willing to attack Republicans,

566
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Speaker 2: if you've got that much vitriol, that much hatred in

567
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: your body, that is not healthy at all. It is

568
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: not good health. Exactly. We can do better and this

569
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Speaker 2: it It is a horrible position, I think when we

570
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: look at our country. But some of this I think

571
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: is focused. There's a bigger picture there again, if we

572
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: dece not we If you can destabilize a country, a nation,

573
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Speaker 2: tear down the government that's in place and replace it

574
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: with something, isn't that the communist goal? Isn't that the

575
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: socialist goal? And you look at Governor Walls, who spent

576
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: so much time in China, who has praised China and

577
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: said that when it came to negotiations I remember, I'm

578
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 2: trying to remember which they were talking about negotiations with something,

579
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Speaker 2: and he said, I don't know that we have the

580
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: moral superiority anymore. We have to look to a country

581
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Speaker 2: like China to do that. You have a governor here

582
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: that that idolizes the CCP, that idolizes China. How many

583
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: people were killed in China, murdered in China to set

584
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Speaker 2: that up into a communist nation.

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Speaker 3: Are you asking me a direct question? I actually I

586
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: figured you might know some of it. I'm somewhat of

587
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 3: a my whole life. I've been involved with Asian philosophy

588
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: and I've been they asked them. Its range up to

589
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: four hundred million if you put in the terminated pregnancies

590
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: that are associated with the one child policy. So four

591
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Speaker 3: hundred million people, but there's likely at least sixty million

592
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: people that were politically eliminated at the beginning of that regime.

593
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Speaker 3: And you know, I just went to the opening of

594
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Speaker 3: Vietnamese history exhibit at the History Museum in Saint Paul.

595
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: I went there a couple of weekends ago. That community,

596
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: the Vietnamese that worked with the US government, that stayed

597
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: in Vietnam were either re educated or redistricted to another

598
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: another plane of existence. And same thing happened in Cambodia.

599
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: There was the killing fields of Paul Pott. We had

600
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Speaker 3: the butchery of the Christians by the Bolsheviks at the

601
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: beginning of the Soviet Unions period of time. So there

602
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 3: is a repetitive when you talk about the protection of

603
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: minority rights, which is so republican in nature. That is

604
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: the essence of republicanism, one of the key fundamentals. And

605
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 3: then we have this mob orrel plus one. And these

606
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: are the two philosophies that are at play here. So

607
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Speaker 3: four hundred million people call it sixty million, call it

608
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Speaker 3: six million, call it six hundred thousand, call it sixty thousand.

609
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: You know, there's this I can't remember. I think it's

610
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: a Bob Dylan thing. You know, Steal a little and

611
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: they throw you in jail. Steal it a lot and

612
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: they make you king. Kill one person, you end up

613
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: in the penitentiary. You know, kill millions and millions of people,

614
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: and you may be famous forever, like Mao or Stalin

615
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Speaker 3: or Hitler.

616
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Speaker 2: I think Stalin actually said that kill a few million,

617
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 2: or kill a few thousand people, and it's a tragedy.

618
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: Kill a few million, and it's a statistic. That's just

619
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: that that mindset is horrible. And if you're going to

620
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: look up to that type of government and those type

621
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: of people, like our governor does, and then watch this

622
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: go on and understanding that I do believe in this

623
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: country we have people here with ties to communists China,

624
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: which in our country and in our entire state right

625
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: who are looking to tear down our government and replace

626
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 2: it with something very similar what they have in China

627
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: right now. I don't want that, and it needs to

628
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: be called out. It needs to be pointed out. When

629
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: you can create that animosity between groups of people, and

630
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: I'll point this out. We talked about this just briefly

631
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: before the show. It was the twenty twenty Democrat platform

632
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: and it mentions in there different groups, the DEI, a

633
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: lot of the woke stuff, environmental everything in there. But

634
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: something kind of rang a bell and I was looking

635
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: at it. But there's a new article, I think it

636
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: was Washington Post mentioned it and it's said that whites

637
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: are mentioned fifteen times in that party platform, and every

638
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: one of them is negative. What does that mean. It's

639
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: not about bringing people together, it's not about inclusion. It's

640
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: actually about breaking people apart. It's actually about causing friction

641
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: and division between other people, other groups, and so on

642
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: and so forth. Look at the history you talked about

643
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: the Bolsheviks in the revolution there, they broke people apart

644
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: in order for them to take over the government. Divide

645
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: and conquer. It's a military tactic that's been going on

646
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: since the beginning of time. This is also what's happening

647
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: in the United States. Why do we look at everybody

648
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: by race in this country? Either you're an American or

649
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Speaker 2: you're not. Why do we call them African American or

650
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Speaker 2: Mexican American or Chinese American. No, if you came here legally,

651
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Speaker 2: if you have done what you're supposed to do, if

652
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Speaker 2: you believe in our republic form of government, you are

653
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Speaker 2: an American citizen.

654
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: Citizen when you take that oath right, you pledge allegiance.

655
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Speaker 2: When you still say claim that you are a Mexican

656
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Speaker 2: American and you are a citizen of the United States,

657
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: that means you have divided loyalty in our country. That

658
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: used to be a big, big issue.

659
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Speaker 3: Well, so slow down.

660
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Speaker 2: And we're getting yeah, we're going we're wait off track.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to get into the weeds on this one.

662
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: Because I'm born Jewish. We have Jewish Americans. We have

663
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Speaker 3: a big conference, we're going to talk about our party,

664
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: the problems with our party, and then we're looking at

665
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: this group of people that clearly have a quote unquote

666
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: thing to unify against maybe have Jewish Americans, they have

667
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 3: a Jewish identity, They clearly have a loyalty to Israel.

668
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Speaker 3: And I just want to add that to the list

669
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Speaker 3: of Mexican American and Jewish American and all these different

670
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Speaker 3: groups that well, okay, so how do I think about it?

671
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Speaker 3: I just want to share, you know, I'm an American citizen.

672
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: My loyalty is to the United States of America. Okay,

673
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: that's in my community. That's an inflammatory comment. It just

674
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: is makes me a heretic, an apostate. But my love

675
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: is for my constitution, the value of my citizenship, and

676
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: for the people here in this country. And what you're saying,

677
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: and I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give

678
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: you a blast on this. You don't know this. When

679
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: we did the last podcast, which is recent, I wanted

680
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Speaker 3: to bring you back. You were talking about the way

681
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 3: of life in your backyard, and you know, you were

682
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: speaking about it in pretty idealistic terms, which I think

683
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: is great because that's how you think about it. And

684
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 3: I was watching on my acts some people from the

685
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Speaker 3: inner city look at that as dog whistling, as kind

686
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Speaker 3: of a kind of a race, and I said, no,

687
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: it's not stop right there. And the person who did this,

688
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm not going to calm out by name he's listening,

689
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: he listens to podcasts, is no. I'm going to talk

690
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 3: about him, and I welcome him on the podcast because

691
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: we forged out a relationship on acts by arguing, which

692
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: you know, this is allow of the Waltz idea that

693
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: arguing is okay, and I'm okay with disagreement, but not

694
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Speaker 3: with line with disagreement. But my point is we've lost

695
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Speaker 3: as a culture a commonalty of understanding of what it

696
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: is to be an American, and we've lost in the

697
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 3: Republican Party of Minnesota what it means to be a Republican.

698
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: So when our identities break down, how do they break down? Well,

699
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: what you're saying is so true. We've been divided and

700
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: who divided us? And we're quite naive to believe it

701
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: happened by accident, because all you got to do is

702
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: look at the Middle East or any other place where

703
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: there's as a colonial empire that's ruling people and controlling

704
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 3: them with very small investments of resources. They've divided people

705
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 3: into groups and put them at war with each other.

706
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: And we have that here in Minnesota in your state too.

707
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: If you think about it, you got the left and

708
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: right at war with each other, and then you got

709
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: a battle inside the left wing, and you've got a

710
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 3: battle inside the right wing. So setting that up, let's

711
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: talk about these battles. You've already said you think it's

712
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: very unhealthy for our body politic and I'm agreeing with you,

713
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 3: and I'm just refining it and saying it because we've

714
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 3: lost a common definition of words, of ideas.

715
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Speaker 2: What brings Republicans together. And we have a party platform

716
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: for a reason. This is written up by the delegates.

717
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: This is added and taken away from by the delegates.

718
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: They decide what we are as a party.

719
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Speaker 3: The citizens that participate in the process, Yes, not the hierarchy,

720
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: not the elected officials, but the actual citizens like me

721
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: who join party for godden country and then participate in

722
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Speaker 3: the process.

723
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Speaker 2: Correct, correct, Yes, you're correct, And it is an interesting process.

724
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: You can make changes or suggested changes to that party

725
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: platform early on in the process. As delegates comes to

726
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: your county convention, you get to vote on them.

727
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: Oh oh, stop, gotta stop, gotta stop you, because I'm

728
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: going to have Dan Schultz on the progenitor of the

729
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: precinc strategy dot com Thursday night and Dan we're going

730
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: to talk about this Thursday. Dan is on me. He's

731
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: riding me like Zoro because all he wants to do

732
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: is talk about strategy. Dan's perspective is we all know

733
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: what the problems are, and if we're going to solve them,

734
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: there's only one way citizen involvement in the process. So

735
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: what Representative Wiener is talking about is how can you

736
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Speaker 3: become potent and effective to actually live out politics in

737
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 3: your life. And you know that's not watching Fox News,

738
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: that's not complaining with your friends. That's actually going to

739
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: your local meeting. We talked about it on the last podcast,

740
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: how you actually went to your meeting, got involved, became

741
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 3: a member of the party, and you woke up one

742
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: day and you said, I'm going to run for office.

743
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: We went through the process everything to go back and

744
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: look at the previous podcast. But for all of you

745
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 3: listening out there, whatever state you're in, there is a

746
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: way to getting involved. Know what I'm doing. You don't

747
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: know this, but you're invited. I'm holding a meeting every

748
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Speaker 3: two weeks here in SD forty five. I'm bringing citizens

749
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Speaker 3: in from all over the state. The next meeting, it's

750
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Speaker 3: Tuesday night here the twenty sixth, Tomorrow night, the twenty seventh,

751
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 3: at Devanni's Pizzeria on Highway seven in Minnetonka. All who

752
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: wish to come are invited, including if you're on the left,

753
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: because we believe in dialogue, we believe in listening, we

754
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: believe in citizen involvement. Even if you're on the left.

755
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: I want you to get involved. Why because we are

756
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Speaker 3: a self governing republic. So do you agree with me

757
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: that we want more people involved in party politics? Absolutely? Absolutely,

758
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna let you invite everybody. You go ahead

759
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: and invite your constituents to join the Republican Party in

760
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Speaker 3: Todd County See.

761
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Speaker 2: And I do that on a regular basis. Already. We

762
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: have a radio station up there where we have open mic.

763
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: I talk about these things, and our message or my

764
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: message up there is you can't sit back and complain.

765
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Speaker 2: And it goes back to what my dad said years ago.

766
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: You just can't complain. You have to get involved, right,

767
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 2: you can't complain about it. You have to get involved.

768
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: I figured out the process, but I also have to

769
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: share it and tell others that if you want to

770
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: have a voice, you need to get involved as well.

771
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: You're willing to mentor or citizens into party politics to

772
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: be a teacher.

773
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: Let's have those conversations. Because I had flawed views on

774
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: how the system worked as well. I thought some of

775
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: these decisions were made about, you know, in smoke filled

776
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 2: rooms and stuff like that. But really, if you want

777
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: to have a change, it's going to take that grassroots

778
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: effort to get involved, and it takes more people talking

779
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: to your neighbors. And I always say, the two things

780
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Speaker 2: they tell us we're not supposed to talk about is

781
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: politics and religion. Those are the things you should be

782
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: talking about with your neighbors. And it doesn't have to

783
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: be confrontational. Some of it were going to learn that

784
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: maybe our viewpoints are flawed. I've looked at things and said, yep,

785
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: I did not view this accurately. Some of them has

786
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: only reinforced my previous ideas and made me stronger and

787
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: more firm on them because I see the faults on

788
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: the other side, which is always you know, we have

789
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: to It's like the saying that steel sharp and steel

790
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: if you're going to compete, if you're going to have

791
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: discussions and get better at it. You need to be

792
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: able to talk to somebody who is smarter than you.

793
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Speaker 2: I think the Greek philosophers talked about if you are

794
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: a wrestler, you don't just wrestle somebody that you can

795
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 2: beat all the time. You have to wrestle against somebody

796
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: who's better.

797
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: You got to take a beat better and better. You're

798
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 3: going to learn.

799
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Speaker 2: And sometimes we're going to get schooled. That's fine.

800
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Speaker 3: You're making me laugh even harder inside. So you know

801
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: the the what we're talking about is getting involved. And

802
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 3: you said, Mike, you said something about smoke filled rooms

803
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: to the extent that citizens, regular everyday people are not

804
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 3: involved in the process and do not show up. Yeah,

805
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: things get figured out in back rooms.

806
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Speaker 2: You're exactly right. If people don't get involved at that

807
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: level as delegates showing up for conventions and so forth,

808
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: there is a void. There's a gap, and then who

809
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: gets to decide who the candidates are. It will be

810
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: those smoke field rooms. It will be the people who

811
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: are pulling in their strings. And there are some there

812
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: are you see it in aspects of the party. There

813
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: are people who say they want to be kingmakers, they

814
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: want to donate. They want to dictate who the candidates are. Okay,

815
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: but we have an endorsement process now. I do believe

816
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: that part of our job as legislators is to help

817
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: educate the delegates because there are things, especially when it

818
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: comes to winning state right wide races, it takes a

819
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: very active grassroots, but it does take donors. It takes

820
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Speaker 2: money to make this happen. How do you bring both

821
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Speaker 2: sides of this? And I think some of that is

822
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: that conflict that we see in the party. You have

823
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: the grassroots and you have the money the money issues.

824
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Speaker 2: I do believe though, that if we if we as

825
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Speaker 2: grassroots delegates become smarter and are able to articulate the

826
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Speaker 2: message and say these are the candidates we like for X,

827
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: Y and Z reasons, that goes a long ways. If

828
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Speaker 2: we're willing to just show up, put an endorsement on

829
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Speaker 2: them and never talk about them, never put up a sign,

830
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: never go out and talk at a town hall meeting

831
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Speaker 2: or something like that in sport of a candidate, we're

832
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 2: kind of failing those candidates as well. It takes more

833
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: than just becoming a delegate. It does take out the

834
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Speaker 2: financial part of it is the other aspect, which is

835
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: the big money donors, we do need some of that.

836
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Speaker 2: We do need money to win statewide races. The Democrats

837
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: can outspend us by a large margin. It takes money

838
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: to get things on the air. It takes money to

839
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Speaker 2: get the message around. Take any of the governor candidates

840
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Speaker 2: that are running right now, how do they get their

841
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: message out there without a certain amount of money. That's difficult,

842
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: That is very difficult. I do believe it takes more

843
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: than just the grass roots. So in the state of Minnesota,

844
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: when we talk about this stuff, and maybe maybe you

845
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: disagree with me on the money issues, but we have

846
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Speaker 2: five governor candidates right now, and I always look at

847
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: the Buckley rule, you take the right most right word,

848
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: most leaning candidate who is viable. I think there's some

849
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: of these candidates that would probably be very right leaning,

850
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: very Republican leaning, but can't fundraise. It is very difficult

851
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: to get their message out there. It's very difficult to

852
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: overcome those obstacles. If you can't, if you don't have

853
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: teams to help you out, how do you do that? So,

854
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: like I said, as I've been asked to endorse a

855
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: couple different candidates that are running and I said, I'm

856
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: not going to do that. It is up to the grassroots.

857
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: It is up to the delegates to decide who they

858
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: want to represent them. I think as politicians, first of all,

859
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: we're kind of patting ourselves on the back and thinking

860
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: we're important by putting endorsements on there. Some of it

861
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: is hitching our wag into a horse because it might

862
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: get us someplace where we want to go, you know,

863
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: position in a department or something like that. But I

864
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: look at this and say, the delegates decide whoever. The

865
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: delegates decide whoever, the delegates endorse for the candidate I'm

866
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: going to support.

867
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 3: Now, you know, the rumor around the campfire is the

868
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 3: hierarchy has already set. And I don't have any bite

869
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: ten glosses or any tapes, but I've had any people

870
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 3: tell me that they have been told. So it's hearsay.

871
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: Don't know if it's true. Wasn't there, but the hearsay,

872
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 3: the rumor, the rumor mill is that if the hierarchy,

873
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 3: the establishment forces that really have sway, don't like who

874
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: gets endorsed, they're going to primary for the state wide races.

875
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: Have you heard that? I have heard that do you

876
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: believe it.

877
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: Well, there's one candidate that has already come out and

878
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: said if they don't get the endorsement, they will go

879
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: to primary.

880
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: Well there's two. I've heard two.

881
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 2: Two, yes, okay, I know one.

882
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: I know of two because I heard it with my

883
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: own ears. It's still hearsay, and I could have got

884
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: it wrong. Who knows. Maybe we were drinking, but I've heard.

885
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: I went to a candidate forum and there was two actually, okay,

886
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: prominent candidates amongst this five that said that they were

887
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 3: not focused on the endorsement process. They're focused on the

888
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 3: primary process because they believe they are going to get

889
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 3: a primary challenge if they get the endorsement. So are

890
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 3: breaking down, and I'm going to just say to go

891
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,479
Speaker 3: out on a limb here. Kendall Qualls, who's running, said

892
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: he would honor the endorsement process. I heard him say that,

893
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: But I will also say that in the twenty twenty

894
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: four cycle, he was among those that came out within

895
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: a week after Royce White got the endorsement and supported

896
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 3: Joe Frazier in his primary run. So you know, we're

897
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 3: not quite together here in this area. And I'm gonna

898
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: just let me go a step farther because this is

899
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: pissing me off now when I think about it. I

900
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 3: went to my twenty twenty three SD forty five convention

901
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 3: and they brought candle calls in to talk about unity,

902
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: and he told me that we could beat the Democrat,

903
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 3: and of course, because I'm who I am, I felt

904
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 3: like he was talking just to me, just to me,

905
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: because Alex Pleckish was on that board, like, oh, we

906
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 3: just got to unify to beat the Democrat. We got

907
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 3: to put aside our differences. If we agreed the Reagan role,

908
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 3: if we agree on ninety percent of it, why are

909
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: we fighting with each other. It's all hands again, over

910
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 3: all hands across the water after all. And I thought, man,

911
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 3: Kendall Qualls has got a point. He's got a point.

912
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 3: You know, maybe I'm causing trouble. Maybe I got to

913
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: figure out how to do my politics in a way.

914
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 3: And I am moved by this because, like you, because

915
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 3: we're saying, how do we unify the party, that's what

916
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: we're talking about. And I was stunned when he came

917
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 3: out after he gave me that unity speech. But we

918
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: have to support the endorsed candidate. Then they didn't get

919
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 3: the endorsement they liked and whoa. So the party process

920
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: is more wounded than ever before, not because of the

921
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: actions necessarily of citizens who are getting in the process

922
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 3: like you, but because of establishment response to it. And

923
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: I think we talked on the last podcast that you

924
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: had a little bit of that in your own backyard.

925
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: Did you not?

926
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: Well? I remember the first time somebody asked me if

927
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: I would honor the endorsement, and I kind of stopped

928
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: and I went, uh, why wouldn't you As a candidate,

929
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: You're going to the delegates hat in hand and saying

930
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: I want your support, I want you to back me.

931
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 2: I want I think i'm the best candidate to win here.

932
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: I can bring X, Y and Z to the table.

933
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: I really want your endorsement, and then when you don't

934
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: get it, you go, oh, well, I'm going to go

935
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: to primary. To me, that's disingenuous. I would say that's lying.

936
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: You were just looking that as a tool to help

937
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: your candidacy. You didn't put a lot of faith in it,

938
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: Otherwise it wouldn't go to primary. I feel like a

939
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: candidate who says I want the endorsement, but I'm just

940
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: going to go to primary. I think they're lying to us.

941
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: You don't really want the endorsement. It only helps you

942
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: as a candidate, and if it doesn't go your way,

943
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 2: you're just going to If the endorsement doesn't go your way,

944
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: you're just going to go to primary. I feel that's disingenuous,

945
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: that's lying to us. I don't like it. There was

946
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: a candidate that ran against an incumbent out in our

947
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: area and I didn't know this at the time before

948
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: he was running, but he had said that he would

949
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: go to primary if he didn't get the endorsement, and

950
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: somebody said, well, you know this candidate is going to

951
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: do that. I said, I wasn't aware of that. So

952
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: they had the endorsement convention. There was no endorsement in

953
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: that situation. It was tied. They couldn't come to resolution,

954
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: and afterwards I called the person the following Monday and

955
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: I said, don't go to primary. Don't do this. The

956
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 2: bigger picture here is eating the Democrats. It's not fighting

957
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: amongst ourselves. And that candidate really has been blackball. Got

958
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: this name dragged through the mud because he went to primary.

959
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: And now we have candidates who are saying I'm going

960
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: to run for government governor. I want the endorsement, but

961
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: I'm willing to go to primary anyways. So why do

962
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: we look at this and say it's okay in this situation,

963
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: but not in this situation. I think that consistency or

964
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: lack of consistency causes some of this conflict in our party.

965
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 3: But how do we square the circle when the establishment

966
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 3: does the same thing that kind of makes it. You know,

967
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: it's one thing if you get these citizens rolling in

968
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: and they don't like the outcome and then they run

969
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 3: in the primary. Okay that, but the process is controlled

970
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 3: in large part by the party. In large part the

971
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 3: process is overviewed by party stallwarts, and when they run

972
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 3: over the hill and say we don't like this and

973
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: we're going to pry, because that's how we started this

974
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: part of the conversation. The rumor that they're saying, I'm

975
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 3: talking about the party establishment is saying, and I'm not

976
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 3: in the room, and I'm sorry if you're and you're

977
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 3: welcome to come on the show and set me straight

978
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 3: if I'm wrong. But why is there a widely spread

979
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 3: rumor that even Representative Wiener has heard that if you

980
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: don't get the candidates you want, you're going to primari um.

981
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: So when the candidates hear this, I mean, really, if

982
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: you're at the top of the party, you want to

983
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 3: come in, Alex If you want to come in and

984
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: set us straight on this, we invite you in with respect.

985
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: Or Tom Emmer or Bobby Benson or all the people

986
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: you know Kendall Qualls or Michelle Benson or Paul Gazelka

987
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 3: or Rudy Boschwitz or Norm Coleman. Maybe I forgot said.

988
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 3: Oh if I forgot anybody, I'm so sorry. But all

989
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: of you, uh in the last cycle found a way

990
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: not to support the process. And you're the people we

991
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 3: look to for leadership quote unquote, because you're the leaders

992
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: of the party quote unquote. How do we deal with that?

993
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: Tell me how the grassroots because there's gonna be a

994
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 3: lot of grassroots people listening now, and they're not happy

995
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: about this. Because I'm involved with both sides. I got

996
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: both sides I talked to, and that side that is

997
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 3: firmly allied with what we would call the mega movement,

998
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 3: they don't like this.

999
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: There was a candidate last statewide last midterm. Well he

1000
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: was public about it, so I guess I will too.

1001
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: Doug Wardlow was running for attorney General and he said,

1002
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: I don't believe the endorsement process is very effective because

1003
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: you haven't picked a candidate that would win statewide. And

1004
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: he said, I'm going straight to primary. I actually respect

1005
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: that because he said, I don't believe the endorsement has

1006
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: this value that you're putting on it. I'll go to primary.

1007
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: I to me, that's much more honest. But there again,

1008
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: like I said, when you have this endorsement process and

1009
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: you say you want this endorsement and then when you

1010
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: don't get it, you're just going to go to primary,

1011
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: that's a lie.

1012
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: But now, unless they tell the truth, what you're discriminating.

1013
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: Now you're discriminating between those who say I'm going to

1014
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: honor the process and then flip if they don't like

1015
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 3: the result. What I think I heard you say, using

1016
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 3: Doug Wardlow as an example. If they come out during

1017
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 3: the then the delegates have a right to make a

1018
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: decision about the viability of the party process and say,

1019
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,479
Speaker 3: now this guy is really saying he doesn't really care,

1020
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 3: maybe we shouldn't vote for him if we want to

1021
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: strengthen the party process.

1022
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: Right, you could look at it that way. He's saying

1023
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: that he doesn't believe the endorsement has the value is

1024
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: kind of the way it was stated, and he wanted

1025
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: to go straight to primary. I can actually respect that.

1026
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: If you were as a candidate saying I want the endorsement,

1027
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: but then if I don't get it, I'll go to primary,

1028
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: there's a level of hypocrisy there.

1029
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: So he didn't even go for the endorsement.

1030
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: Go for the endorsement. I think there's a big difference there.

1031
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: Can you name me one representative, incumbent right now or

1032
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: senator on our side who didn't seek the endorsement.

1033
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 3: I can't, can you?

1034
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: I can't either. Every one of them has put a

1035
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: value on it. And yet inside our party right now,

1036
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: there are people who are saying we need to get

1037
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: rid of the endorsement process. Some representatives, some senators.

1038
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 3: Or even the caucus process is up for uh.

1039
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: Right.

1040
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm going to say that there's a very

1041
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 3: strong movement, and you know the people that are behind

1042
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: this movement. Let me just editorialize since I know who

1043
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 3: they are, the people that want to get rid of

1044
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: this process of caucus where citizens can join by going

1045
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 3: to their neighborhood meeting that'll be February twenty twenty six.

1046
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 3: In fact, I call my twice monthly meetings Caucus Countertech

1047
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 3: so that citizens can get involved in the process. Because

1048
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 3: these people see us coming. People like me, and I'm

1049
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: not against anybody. And I'm going to tell you right now,

1050
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: if you come to my meeting and you're a leftist,

1051
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 3: I'll help you get involved in the Democrat Party. If

1052
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: you come to my meeting and you're a Nikki Hayley Republican,

1053
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you don't get involved in

1054
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 3: the Republican Party. I'm going to tell you get involved

1055
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 3: in the Republican Party if that's what you want to do,

1056
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: and then let the people vote to decide, because there's

1057
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 3: a there is a voting process. That's the Democrat side

1058
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 3: of our republic. We do vote about what's going to happen.

1059
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 3: We have votes in the party. I think that's great.

1060
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 3: I don't mind you're talking about Iron Shopper AND's iron.

1061
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent agree with that. And I'm going

1062
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 3: to tell you if you're listening to me and you

1063
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: don't like me, that's because you lied and I called

1064
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: you out. The people that I disagree with, I don't

1065
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 3: want to trash any I mean, disagreement's great, We're not

1066
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not a dictator or want to be dictator,

1067
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 3: and I'm not an ideologue. I'm looking for what works.

1068
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: But how can we make what works? And that's what

1069
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 3: you're talking about disingenuous. You want people to be honest

1070
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 3: about what they're doing here.

1071
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 2: Well, if if all of the House of Representatives and

1072
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: all of the Senators sought the endorsement, they saw value

1073
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: in it, Otherwise, why wouldn't you go straight to primary?

1074
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: But now when you look at one and say, well,

1075
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 2: it's good enough for me, it's good enough for me

1076
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Speaker 2: as a rep to get the endorsement, but we're not

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01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: going to respect it somewhere else or we want to

1078
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: end the process, or we want to end the process.

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Speaker 2: Those people are not in the so called mega movement.

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01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: The people that want to end this process of citizen

1081
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 2: involvement through caucus and bring it all straight to primary

1082
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: are the people that are trying to in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: tell me if you agree, aren't they the one's trying

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01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 2: to blunt this citizens movement that is growing throughout the country.

1085
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that for sure, but I would say

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01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 2: that if there are incumbents in the House and the

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01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: Senate that don't believe that we should have the endorsement

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01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: process or get rid of it, then next time around,

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Speaker 2: don't seek the endorsement, go straight to primary.

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Speaker 3: As a as an elected official. Yeah, put your money

1091
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 3: where your mouth is.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if this system is good enough for everyone else,

1093
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Speaker 2: then set the example.

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Speaker 3: Isn't there legislation banging around in there that hasn't been

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01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 3: passed yet that will end this caucus system.

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Speaker 2: There was some talk about it last session, and I

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01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 2: think that got dropped really relatively quick.

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Speaker 3: You know why I got dropped.

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Speaker 2: I don't know for sure.

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Speaker 3: I do because some people like me stood up and said,

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01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 3: if you do this, we're gonna fry you. If you're

1102
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 3: gonna be like baking in the pan. And I know

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01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be nice. These are colleagues of yours, so

1104
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 3: I'm not going to call them out, but they know

1105
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 3: I know who they are, because they hurt from on me.

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01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 3: Because I want the citizens to be involved in the

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01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: political process, because we're a self governing republic.

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Speaker 2: This is what we're supposed to do is get the

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01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: people involved. This is our job as representatives and senators

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01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: is to pull in more people.

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01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 3: When is the last time you went to a group

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Speaker 3: of House members or House and senator members together standing

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Speaker 3: in front of a crowd of folks, and one after

1114
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 3: another they stood up there and said, we welcome you

1115
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 3: into the party process. Have you ever heard that you're

1116
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 3: smiles you're starting to smile.

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01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 2: Well, I'm running through all the events in my head,

1118
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: and you know we don't do a very good job

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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 3: We could. I ask trying to sir, can I ask

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01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 3: you to become a tireless recruiter for citizen involvement and

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01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 3: self governance. I'm requesting it.

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Speaker 2: I have offered even to talk at be people use

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01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: in groups across the state. I want to see our

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01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 2: party succeed. I want to see more people get involved.

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01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 2: Let's have those conversations, town halls. Whatever it takes to

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01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: get more people showing up to be delegates. I think

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Speaker 2: it takes. You know, our state is mixed between that

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01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: rural and metro, but it's going to take all voices

1130
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 2: basically to get a statewide candidate across the finish line.

1131
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: We want people out here in Greater Minnesota to say

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01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 2: I like this candidate, and you also need the people

1133
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 2: in the Metro to say the same thing. But that

1134
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: means we also need to conversate back and forth. And

1135
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: that's why I like coming down here. I mean, this

1136
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 2: is the Metro. This is not my backyard. When people

1137
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: in the Metro hear this and say, you know the

1138
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: comments that you made from the last our podcast and say, well,

1139
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: this is just the well no, that's not really the case.

1140
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: If we're not having those conversations, then we're never going

1141
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: to bridge that gap. We're never going to bridge that divide.

1142
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Speaker 3: I want you to know. I want you to know

1143
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 3: I stuck up for you. I just said no, I

1144
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 3: don't really think it was a conversation about some kind

1145
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 3: of well, I'm just going to say there. It wasn't

1146
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 3: explicitly said, but it was implicitly. It was implied that

1147
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 3: there was a black white divide between Outstate and Metro,

1148
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 3: and I don't want that to exist either. I want

1149
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 3: I think you said something about the working class.

1150
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 2: I don't care which color person is. They can be

1151
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: purple if you show up and do your job. If

1152
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 2: we can, we don't even have to get along. Why

1153
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: does it matter? Why does the skin color matter. I mean,

1154
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 2: I was actually it was such a firm believer in

1155
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: what MLK said. I want to judge a man on

1156
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 2: the content of his character, not the color of his skin.

1157
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: And yet in our country, what have we done that diversity,

1158
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: equity and inclusion has actually ripped our country apart? What

1159
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: has happened? And it's I thought it got worse under Obama.

1160
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 2: The divisions, the race divide, actually got worse. There's that

1161
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 2: division that I talked about before that I believe is

1162
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: actually planned to tear our country apart. I don't believe that.

1163
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 2: When you look at the Greater Minnesota versus Metro, I

1164
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: don't see that as a race issue. I think it's

1165
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Speaker 2: more so it's demographics. I think in old and Greater

1166
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 2: Minnesota we have an aging population. That's that's bad because

1167
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 2: our young people are coming down to the Metro. But

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01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: there's a difference when you are surrounded in the Metro.

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Speaker 3: They're just representative. Let me just say understand where that

1170
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm not mentioning this guy's name. He's prominent and I

1171
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 3: do like him and I want to get together with him.

1172
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 3: We haven't met personally. His comments, and I'm just going

1173
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 3: to say from my own personal anecdotal experiences here in

1174
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Speaker 3: the Republican Party of Minnesota. His comments are not totally unfounded. See,

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01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 3: I was defending you as my guest because I could

1176
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 3: read you, I mean the way I was. You know,

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01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 3: you're in a personal interaction with someone, you know. I

1178
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 3: didn't really get that we were talking about some kind

1179
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 3: of idealized kind of white utopia. I didn't get that

1180
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 3: we weren't. We were talking about the beauties of the

1181
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 3: natural life outstate, close to nature. That to me was

1182
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 3: not some kind of dog whistle for racism. But I

1183
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 3: will also say, because it's been my misfortune of being

1184
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 3: in rooms with people who have been very racist and

1185
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 3: are in the Republican Party and very anti Semitic and

1186
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 3: they are in the Republican Party. And I said this

1187
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 3: a lot earlier in my podcast what is this episode

1188
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: two thirty two? Yep, you know, downstream or upstream maybe

1189
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 3: you know I was saying, you know, episode one hundred

1190
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 3: and one fit. I haven't said it for a long time,

1191
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 3: but if you know, if you're a racist or an

1192
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 3: anti semi the American Nazi Party is right down the block,

1193
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 3: go join it. Get out of the Republican party because

1194
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 3: the Republican Party is based on human freedom. It's the

1195
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 3: party of human freedom and human well being. We can't

1196
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 3: have racism and anti semitism, so there in our party

1197
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 3: we don't. I don't want that. And the reason why

1198
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 3: I think there are people in that there's two reasons.

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Speaker 3: We learned this from candidate Turner. Laverne Turner, who is

1200
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 3: an African American, said, Hey, nobody shows up from the

1201
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 3: Republican Party in Minneapolis. There's no presence, nobody ever. I

1202
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 3: mean he said it was zero. I mean he said,

1203
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 3: if nobody shows up from the Republicans, then who's going

1204
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 3: to show up? As the Democrats say that that he said,

1205
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 3: the people you know, the Democrats are no good, but

1206
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 3: nobody even shows up from the Republican Party. A. That's

1207
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 3: the A and the B is the people in that

1208
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 3: community know that there's racism in this state. They know it,

1209
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 3: and we have to work, I think, tirelessly as party

1210
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: participants to overcome Whi's kind of an overcoming in a way,

1211
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 3: you know, some baggage that it does exist, I think

1212
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 3: in our party. And I'm going to tell you I've

1213
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 3: heard it with moll Owonneiers. I've heard it with my

1214
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 3: owneiers so, and I'm not talking about the anti Semitic part.

1215
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the racist part. I've heard it, and

1216
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 3: what you're saying is you also reject it.

1217
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 2: I look at our Republican Party was started anti slavery.

1218
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: I mean the premise of the party was anti slavery

1219
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 2: nineteen I'm sorry, eighteen fifties, eighteen fifty four, fifty four

1220
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. That's where the Republican Party started. And it

1221
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: was anti slavery. If you look at real racism, the

1222
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 2: Democrat Party hasn't as fostered it for years. The kk

1223
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 2: KEY was Democrat wing of the party. I mean it

1224
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 2: was which president was it? Uh oh? Nineteen twelve somewhere

1225
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: in there. Wi Wilson had it at the at the

1226
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 2: capitol of the Birth of a Nation, I think is

1227
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 2: what played the movie. Ye right, for sure, that was

1228
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 2: a racist movie.

1229
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Speaker 3: But let me also say the roots of the Republican Party,

1230
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 3: which is the Whigs, they had an Antifa of their

1231
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 3: own called the know Nothings, and that was a virulently

1232
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 3: anti Catholic, anti immigration wing and they and there's a

1233
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 3: great movie about it, Martin Scorsese, a great director love

1234
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 3: his work The Gangs of New York with Daniel day

1235
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 3: Lewis and Liam Nisan documents that real it's it's a

1236
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 3: historical movie. I mean, so we can't get away from

1237
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 3: collectively historically from some of these very unfortunate which well,

1238
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 3: you know we see it today. It's in our politics today.

1239
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 3: But I was defending you. I'm just going to say

1240
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 3: on a personal basis, I have the sense that that's

1241
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 3: not who you are.

1242
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that, and I don't think that the

1243
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 2: divide between the metro and urban is race at all.

1244
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 3: You don't, I don't. What do you think it is?

1245
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think when it comes to the Metro, I

1246
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 2: think it's more of a socialist environment. When you're out

1247
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 2: in the rural area, you've got your own uh, you've

1248
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 2: got your own sewer and well, there's a sense of independence.

1249
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: You've got self sufficiency that you've got to look at.

1250
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: It is not the same You've guys got snow removal

1251
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: here that takes care of things. You have to do

1252
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 2: that for yourself. I think it almost is a socialist mindset.

1253
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 2: When you flip the switch, somebody's going to be taking

1254
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: care of that stuff for you.

1255
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 3: That's so interesting. I like that what you're saying is

1256
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 3: where you live, you're not hooked up to the city.

1257
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 3: You're self governing, right, But when we're living in the city, uh,

1258
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 3: we're on the We're on the city man, for lack

1259
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 3: of a better way of saying it, we're on the

1260
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 3: crack of communalism, of socialism.

1261
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 2: It's it's basically the gateway, if you really want to

1262
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 2: put it that way.

1263
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 3: Our nags and this goes back to Waltz talking about

1264
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 3: our neighbors.

1265
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 2: Well, the more things that the that the metro provides

1266
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 2: to the citizens, the less they have to do for themselves.

1267
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 2: Or you don't have that. Old in rural Minnesota, you

1268
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: don't have that out in rural areas.

1269
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: How many police work in your area, how many police

1270
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 3: you know them? How many people are there.

1271
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 2: So we were just talking about this the other day.

1272
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: Most of the small towns in my area don't have

1273
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 2: a police force. They don't. It is patrolled by the county,

1274
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 2: county sheriff, county sheriff. Okay, so our county, if you

1275
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: drove from one end to the other, it is it's

1276
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 2: well over an hour because it's about an hour up

1277
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: toward Dina. So if I get to the bottom, it's

1278
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: probably seventy miles from one end to the.

1279
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 3: Other, east to west, north to south.

1280
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 2: It's a rectangle east. I'd say it's probably an hour

1281
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 2: and a half north to south hour wide.

1282
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 3: Okay, so we got ninety miles north south, sixty miles

1283
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 3: east west. Yeah, pretty big area, right. How many How

1284
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 3: many people are patrolling this area?

1285
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: I think there's twenty some on the Sheriff's department if

1286
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 2: I remember the numbers.

1287
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Speaker 3: And this was part of the conversation I had with

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01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 3: this gentleman, because we know you're saying, well, you know,

1289
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 3: let's not make the there's crime. He goes because you

1290
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 3: were saying it's very bucolic, there's not that much crime.

1291
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 3: He's like, come on, there's crime. He's just not talking

1292
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 3: about it. And I'm saying, well, is there crime?

1293
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 2: When was the last time we had a murder? If

1294
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,520
Speaker 2: there is a murder in our area, it's big news.

1295
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 2: It never happens. I can think of in my lifetime,

1296
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 2: probably maybe five instances there was.

1297
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 3: You're gonna start naming him by names here.

1298
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that, but no, we just don't

1299
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: see it.

1300
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 3: But you know, I grew up. I grew up in

1301
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 3: Highland Park and Saint Paul, the wrong side of the

1302
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 3: tracks in Highland Park for those of you who know

1303
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 3: the neighborhood. And back in the sixties, there was no

1304
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 3: murders in Saint Paul. I mean, very very I mean

1305
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 3: I can also remember the notorious cases back in the

1306
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 3: sixties and seventies. But not to get into the weeds.

1307
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 3: My point what I'm trying to drive at here is

1308
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 3: you have to be to your own self defense up there,

1309
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 3: because you know, you call the sheriff by the time

1310
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 3: they get there, whatever's going on, it's over right true statement.

1311
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 2: That's a true statement. I would say that even we

1312
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 2: are you know, if there's a patrol that's close and

1313
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: you make a phone call, they could be there. You know,

1314
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 2: within a very short time. With the shooting of the

1315
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 2: hortman's I called because I was not home. I called

1316
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 2: back to the house, didn't get an answer, so I

1317
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 2: called our local sheriff and he said, I'll be there

1318
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 2: in fifteen minutes. Find out later he was still at home.

1319
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: So for him to get dressed in his squad car

1320
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 2: and over to my place, he really had the boogie

1321
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: to get over there. But that's fifteen minutes. You know,

1322
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: what is the response time here in the Metro I

1323
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: couldn't tell you, but the point being they got there

1324
01:17:55,439 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 2: as quick as they could. If I just we don't

1325
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 2: have the same amount of crime. The environment is different,

1326
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 2: and maybe we're getting off on a tangent here that

1327
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 2: we don't need to go down.

1328
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 3: No. I think it's good because we're I'm bringing up

1329
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 3: I'm throwing your curveball, but I'm telling you the feedback

1330
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 3: from the first podcast, and I'm delving into what the

1331
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 3: issues were and what I'm pressing you to say, Well,

1332
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 3: how much crime really is there in your backyard? And

1333
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 3: what I'm hearing you say is not too much?

1334
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: There isn't we see the drug issues? I mean, I

1335
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: admitted that before, but you have to go looking for

1336
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: it in order to see it. You don't. It's not

1337
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: it's not prevalent. You know, it's not like if you

1338
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 2: write on the on the train and you see needles

1339
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: on the ground or on the floor. You know, it's

1340
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 2: not like that. Okay, There's something that has always kind

1341
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 2: of amazed me, and well, I went out to Sturgis

1342
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 2: the first time. Sturgis is a crowded place for the motorcycle,

1343
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 2: for the motorcycles, yep, and you bump into somebody out

1344
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 2: there and you both turn and say, oh, excuse me

1345
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 2: or sorry. That that actually shocked me. I did not

1346
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 2: think or expect that at Sturgis. But the people that

1347
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: are out there tend to be a little bit older now.

1348
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 2: I mean years ago it was a little bit more

1349
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: wild crew. But it's gotten commercialized. It's gotten commercialized because yes,

1350
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 2: so I was thinking about that one time and I thought,

1351
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 2: what about my own town. I mean, if you're walking

1352
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 2: down the sidewalk, there's a group of people, you get

1353
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 2: out of each other's way, you make eye contact generally,

1354
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 2: and you say mourning or how's it going, even if

1355
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 2: you don't know them. Down here in the metro, that

1356
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 2: very rarely happens. I when I say it's different, I

1357
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 2: just think it is. I think there's a little bit

1358
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: more humanity there.

1359
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 3: Maybe there's more fear here in I don't know that.

1360
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 3: I don't know that I would agree with that there's

1361
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 3: more humanity. There's probably more fear. There's fear of making

1362
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: eye contact because eye contact can lead to confrontation, which

1363
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 3: is not going to happen.

1364
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 2: We have a sir, I look at that as a

1365
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 2: way of respect. When I see somebody, I nod and

1366
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: you say, hi, that's just the way it is. So

1367
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 2: do we lose a little bit of our humanity then

1368
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 2: if that's based on fear and we can't acknowledge someone,

1369
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1370
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 3: I don't know that we lose our humanity, but we

1371
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 3: definitely lose our ability to build community. Fear creates the

1372
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 3: conditions where we can't bond. So this goes back to

1373
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 3: the Waltz piece. When you create that kind of division,

1374
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 3: that kind of fear, calling an elected president and a

1375
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 3: thing and calling his policies fascist, you're creating fear and

1376
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 3: that's creating the kind of division that's an not inter party,

1377
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 3: it's inter party. It's creating two different camps. And we're

1378
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 3: talking about being ruled, being divided so we can be ruled. Well, hey,

1379
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 3: you know what, there's no purchase on this just on

1380
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 3: the left. This is politics, right.

1381
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's we do absolutely have to look at

1382
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 2: poor side as well and say are we doing are

1383
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 2: we holding the moral high ground?

1384
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 3: And let me just say for the people that are

1385
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 3: going to listen to you, that have this judgment against

1386
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 3: me because I'm critical of Republican Party politicians. Hey, you know,

1387
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 3: the Democrats got to take care of their own I'm

1388
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 3: a Republican. They're not going to listen to me over

1389
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 3: there if I throw comments at them. But I am

1390
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 3: listening to on this side of the football because we

1391
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 3: got to take care of our own house, pull out

1392
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 3: the log in our own eye before we move forward,

1393
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: because these people aren't kidding around and we don't have

1394
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:48,919
Speaker 3: it together on our side of the football.

1395
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: So I think that's a great point, and I'm glad

1396
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 2: you bring this up because it's very easy to complain

1397
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 2: about everything in politics or in our society or whatever,

1398
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 2: but going to do to make it better. So we

1399
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: started off talking about the Republicans, and maybe we've got

1400
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 2: to go back to that. In the inter party conflict,

1401
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 2: we know it's there, we know there's division, we know

1402
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 2: there's different groups, whatever you want to call it. So

1403
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 2: then how do we make the situation better? As elected officials.

1404
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 2: I think we need to set the example. I think

1405
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 2: we need to talk about those things. And that's why

1406
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 2: when it comes to in the endorsement, that's one of

1407
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: the reasons is I didn't become a delegate. You see

1408
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 2: a lot of rep. Senators who are delegates. I think

1409
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 2: it's an incestuous relationship if you are elected and then

1410
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 2: you also get to dictate how the party is functioning.

1411
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:49,600
Speaker 2: I think that's a bad.

1412
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of that going on throughout the state,

1413
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 3: do we not, sir?

1414
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: We do? And many people have said, Mike, you know

1415
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: what you need to be a delegate so that your

1416
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 2: voice is heard. No, I don't think I do. If

1417
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: people want my opinion, I am more than happy to

1418
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 2: share it, but to dictate how the party is functioning

1419
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: and how it's operating. Like I said, this is an

1420
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: incestuous relationship. If the party is going to protect their incumbents,

1421
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: but then I'm voting for my own protection. What about

1422
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:18,839
Speaker 2: what delegate?

1423
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 3: What about party leadership that works on the payroll of incumbents?

1424
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 2: You could very easily say that's a conflict. What role

1425
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 2: could they play? Because I've thought about this as well.

1426
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: There are people who work for the congressional candidates. What

1427
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: party could they play? Can they still offer something without

1428
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 2: being you know, CD chairs or whatever. I don't know.

1429
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 2: I've looked at that and thought about that quite a

1430
01:23:55,240 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 2: bit because we want those people involved. I mean, we

1431
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 2: want to pull more people in. Just because you work

1432
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 2: for a congressional candidate shouldn't exclude you from doing anything

1433
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 2: inside the party. They're very well organized, they have some

1434
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 2: expertise when it comes to running congressional races and so forth.

1435
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 2: But what role can or should they play. There's some

1436
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 2: people that say, nope, they can't hold any offices. I

1437
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 2: don't know if I agree with that entirely, because I

1438
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 2: think they can. We should actually be helping each other out.

1439
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 2: I feel from the congressional races all the way down.

1440
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 2: I look at it when we put up signs. Why

1441
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 2: aren't we putting up all of our signs together?

1442
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 3: Oh? I know the answer to that. Oh that sorry.

1443
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't cue me up like that. I mean,

1444
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 3: that's just such a setup, okay. I mean the last cycle,

1445
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 3: I was involved with the Royce White Versonate campaign, and

1446
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 3: I do know what happened right in St. Forty five

1447
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,759
Speaker 3: where I would on the bp OU and the candidate

1448
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 3: Kathy Folk, refused to even appear at the same event

1449
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 3: with Royce White, and I did I actually viewed. I mean,

1450
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 3: this is again not this is hearsaved from me to you.

1451
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: But if not for me, which was you know, I

1452
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 3: had heard Jim Nash tell the House candidates not to

1453
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 3: appear in any pictures with Royce White, and Royce confronted

1454
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 3: him at the Carver County convention and Jim Nash said,

1455
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 3: I might have said that. So you know, when we

1456
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 3: have this kind of thing, this is what breaks down

1457
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 3: this mega group and sends them off into a kind

1458
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 3: of a radical kind of opposition to the people that

1459
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 3: you have to work with every day. You're you're you know,

1460
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 3: you're taking a position. I think if I'm right, that

1461
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 3: we have to find a way to work together. Do

1462
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 3: I am? I am? I correct you that way.

1463
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 2: Am I going to like all of the candidates statewide

1464
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 2: or congressional or whatever. But we're all still Republicans. Right

1465
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 2: when we talked about unity before, there is a certain

1466
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 2: level of unity that we have to have. Will I

1467
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 2: agree with everyone that is a candidate, No, I probably won't.

1468
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 2: Do I agree with everyone who's in the House, No,

1469
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 2: I probably won't, or the Senate. We're all individuals. We

1470
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 2: all have a different viewpoint on some of this stuff.

1471
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 2: At the same time, isn't our bigger Uh, I was

1472
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 2: going to say adversary. Maybe that's not the right term. Opponent.

1473
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 2: Isn't that the Democrats? I would I would looking at

1474
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: other people that I disagree with inside the party. There's

1475
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 2: some things I can live with and some things I can't.

1476
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:01,759
Speaker 2: I am extremely pro life, I'm extremely Second Amendment supporter.

1477
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 2: Those two things, I don't think that we can we

1478
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 2: can give anything. But there's other stuff that I look

1479
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 2: at as far as the candidates and so forth, and

1480
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 2: say I can leave that on the table for now,

1481
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 2: because the bigger picture here is we have to win

1482
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 2: the state. Whether I like this candidate or not, it's

1483
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 2: kind of irrelevant to me in some of these situations

1484
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 2: because we saw what happened under the trifecta, we saw

1485
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 2: what the Democrats did. I want to make sure that

1486
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: we win this state. But then we also have a plan.

1487
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 2: So this this comes back to we can complain about

1488
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 2: stuff all we want, but we have to have some solutions.

1489
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 2: And what are we going to do when we win

1490
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 2: stay wide races when we have a Republican governor.

1491
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 3: That's a very good question. What are we going to

1492
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 3: do well?

1493
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 2: That comes back to the planning that we started.

1494
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 3: Which you say to your knowledge does not exist.

1495
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 2: That's right.

1496
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 3: I'm going to disagree with you. You think we have a plan.

1497
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Speaker 3: I think there is a plan, it just doesn't include you.

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01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 3: I think there is a plan. I think there is

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01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 3: a center of of NGOs and organizations incubators of ideas.

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01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 3: Economic Club of Minnesota might be. When there's many NGOs

1501
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 3: that do it. We have a broad bipartisan participation in

1502
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 3: those organizations, and those organizations have a view of how

1503
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 3: Minnesota needs to function from a political economy perspective. So

1504
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 3: you know, you know, you talked about life and two

1505
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 3: a which I have to tell you here in CD

1506
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 3: three where I live, the hierarchy of our party here

1507
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 3: in CD three is interested in watering down the life

1508
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 3: part of our platform. And I had Randy Sutter, who

1509
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 3: ran CD three until very recently personally tell me Hear'Say

1510
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 3: again for you that if we're going to win here

1511
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 3: in CD three, we're gonna have to give up our

1512
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 3: gun rights. So you know, okay, okay, But there's other issues.

1513
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 3: Because we have a modern Republican party, it's changing and

1514
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 3: has a certain set of ideals now about economic nationalism,

1515
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 3: for example, the working class. For example, we don't have

1516
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 3: agreement in the party in my opinion about who our

1517
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 3: customer is in the electorate. We have people that will

1518
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 3: talk one game to get the vote, but if they

1519
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 3: won that party platform doesn't mean that much of them.

1520
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 3: They are working for other folks. That's my opinion, and

1521
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 3: I plan to prove this on subsequent podcasts because here's

1522
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 3: my thing. You're talking about unity, I'm all for it.

1523
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 3: If we don't have honesty, we can't unify if people

1524
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 3: don't tell me who they are, Like, you can't spend

1525
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 3: your life doing this and then say you're that. I

1526
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 3: just don't believe you. It's like to pick on somebody.

1527
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 3: Adam Schwartzy, Adam Swartz, he's running for Senate. Great, you

1528
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 3: ran for Senate as an America firster. I'm listening to

1529
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 3: what you're saying. Yet you don't take responsibility for being

1530
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 3: part of Niki Haley's campaign. Who's not America firster? You know,

1531
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 3: how do you square that circle? The only way to

1532
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 3: square it is like this, like I'm going to square

1533
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 3: my own. I voted for George W.

1534
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 2: Bush.

1535
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 3: I did. I thought his father, George H. W. Bush,

1536
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 3: was my favorite president until I figured out who these

1537
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 3: people were, So I honestly say I was a globalist

1538
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 3: in my Republican orientation, and I had some kind of

1539
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 3: epiphany along the road and changed my politics. I take

1540
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 3: ownership of my political past, and I haven't seen, for example,

1541
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 3: Adam Swartzy do that where he's in Brace, because I'm

1542
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 3: all for change. We got to hurt people, right, But

1543
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 3: let's be honest about it. If we're not honest, how

1544
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 3: can we trust? That's so we talk about unity. I

1545
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 3: want there to be a fundamental Republican unity like George

1546
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 3: Washington couldn't tell a lie, honest, Dave Lincoln, honest, Mike Wiener,

1547
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 3: you know, honest whoever, so we at least can have

1548
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 3: a realistic dialogue. Am I wrong about that?

1549
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 2: We all make mistakes, we all fall short, We are

1550
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 2: all all in creatures. So what you said about the Bushes,

1551
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, and liking them as presidents? You saw something

1552
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 2: that you appealed to you, something that worked for you,

1553
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 2: and then new information came to life.

1554
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 3: Did you vote for George W.

1555
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 2: Bush? Yeah?

1556
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 3: Did you like them?

1557
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 2: I liked well. I didn't vote for Reagan, but I

1558
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 2: liked Reagan more. But yes, I voted for the Bushes.

1559
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: At the time.

1560
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 3: Okay, my point is this, you also saw something you liked,

1561
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 3: and I'm going to articulate it. I believed in Pax Americana.

1562
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 3: I believed in free trade. I believed in the far

1563
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 3: flung deployment of our military forces throughout the world to

1564
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 3: defend our free trade architecture. I believed in it. And

1565
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 3: then somewhere along the line in the early two thousands,

1566
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 3: I started looking at my cities, my inner cities, the

1567
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 3: people out in your backyard who lost their job because

1568
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 3: the manufacturing plant closed on You got that in your backyard,

1569
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure. And I started looking at all this dislocation

1570
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 3: because of free trade. And then I started to study

1571
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 3: the relationship between free trade and one world governance. I said,

1572
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 3: whoa stop, stop right there. I'm getting scammed with this

1573
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 3: free trade thing. Sounds so nice, free trade free, it's free. Free. No,

1574
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 3: it's not free. It has a cost. What are the costs? Oh,

1575
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 3: the costs are my freedom? Okay, I changed. I just

1576
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 3: walked you through my own personal becoming. So when we

1577
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 3: have people and the party that haven't taken that trip,

1578
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 3: they're not really in harmony with where our party is

1579
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 3: alleged to be that's the disagreement in the party in

1580
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 3: my opinion.

1581
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 2: So then isn't it yours and my responsibilities to educate?

1582
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 3: I will go with you any time you invite me

1583
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 3: to sit on a stage with you, with any group

1584
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 3: of people, I'll sit there with a microphone and we

1585
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 3: can go over it. Jock tittle back to those Greek

1586
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 3: philosophers you like to talk about, because I like to

1587
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 3: talk about them too.

1588
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 2: When we saw manufacturing leave our country, it was horrible

1589
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,759
Speaker 2: when that free trade, which was supposed to be so good,

1590
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 2: and we lost the power what made us the superpower

1591
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 2: that we were. It was manufacturing and cheap energy after

1592
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 2: World War during World War two.

1593
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 3: Independent self sufficiency, it's self governance. Like your house is

1594
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 3: not hooked up to the city. You know, you're a

1595
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 3: two A guy. You're taking care of yourself. You grew

1596
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 3: up in the country.

1597
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 2: Well, our country was built on that. It's in our evening,

1598
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 2: it's it's ingrained in our human nature. Man is supposed

1599
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 2: to build, it's supposed to produce. When we lost that,

1600
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:19,679
Speaker 2: when we became a service economy, we lost a huge

1601
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 2: part of who we are and we shipped that off

1602
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 2: for profits. Profits never came to back to the working class.

1603
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 2: And we don't bat an eye when we shut down

1604
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 2: factories around here, but if you you know, a service

1605
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 2: industry shuts down, it seems like it's the end of

1606
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 2: the world. I don't get that. You have our our economy,

1607
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 2: or middle class is or our economy is based on

1608
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 2: that middle class basically, and we keep taxing, we keep

1609
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 2: at acting like they're still there. They're simply not. The

1610
01:34:55,880 --> 01:35:00,520
Speaker 2: middle class has shrunk to next to nothing. COVID eliminated

1611
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 2: even more cause what did we do. We shut down

1612
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 2: small businesses. And the easiest way to jump from lower

1613
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 2: tax bracket to the next tax bracket is business ownership,

1614
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 2: whether it's a small bar, gas station, some of these entities,

1615
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 2: you have equity that you're building into. And we killed

1616
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: small businesses during COVID. Biggest transfer of wealth that they

1617
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 2: say was during COVID.

1618
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 3: Well, when you say we wasn't, really we wasn't. We

1619
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 3: it wasn't. But that's a very important thing I think

1620
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 3: for the citizens that are listening to understand this. You know,

1621
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 3: we have a collective political will, but there are people

1622
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 3: that have a disproportionate influence within that will, and they

1623
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 3: buy that influence and that people that they buy are

1624
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:57,639
Speaker 3: sometimes your colleagues. Is that a true statement you're gonna

1625
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 3: be Are you gonna be okay with me saying that? Er?

1626
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,759
Speaker 2: I would say, as representatives, we come from a different

1627
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 2: viewpoint on a lot of different things. Are some of

1628
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 2: my colleagues as in tune to some of this as

1629
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 2: I am? Probably not? Probably not. And it's easy to

1630
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 2: overlook some of these things. When you're in the position,

1631
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 2: you're bombarded with a lot of things. And I think

1632
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 2: the longer we're in these positions, probably the worse it is.

1633
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:38,679
Speaker 3: Is that an argument for term limits.

1634
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 2: I actually used to be against term limits because I said,

1635
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 2: we have a system in place, vote them out. You

1636
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:51,759
Speaker 2: don't like them, vote them out. This is my second

1637
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 2: term and I'm thinking maybe we need term limits. And

1638
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 2: it's not for probably the reasons you're thinking. When we

1639
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:02,560
Speaker 2: stack the deck against any buddy that challenges an incumbent,

1640
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 2: then do we really have an honest election anymore? Say

1641
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 2: somebody we're to challenge even Walls right now in his

1642
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:23,520
Speaker 2: own party, do you think he's going to get an honest,

1643
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,719
Speaker 2: uh opportunity to go against Walls.

1644
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to dreadge into the weeds because everything

1645
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 3: has a polarity. So on the one hand, we're saying

1646
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 3: you want the party process to be honored, and the

1647
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 3: other hand, you're saying the party process stacks the deck

1648
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 3: against people that come out from the outside. I'm not

1649
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 3: trying to say that you're wrong in having both ideas

1650
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 3: both it's it's a continuum like Aye and Young. Both

1651
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 3: ideas are viable ideas. The issue becomes who's running things.

1652
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 3: See this is you know again. I want to say,

1653
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 3: it's not about the process. Sometimes it's about the people

1654
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 3: who are in charge of the process.

1655
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 2: So maybe the Walls comparison was bad, and let's we

1656
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 2: had incumbents that were running for house, went to the endorsement,

1657
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 2: did not get their endorsement, okay, and then it goes

1658
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 2: to primary. They go to primary. I looked at that

1659
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 2: and I said, why, especially if these are red districts,

1660
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 2: why are we worried about this? The game changes, players

1661
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 2: change all the time. Why wouldn't we if we have

1662
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 2: the opportunity, why wouldn't we embrace new people coming in?

1663
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 2: But there was a lot of money spent on those

1664
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 2: incumbents in districts that were seventy percent. Now, do you

1665
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 2: lose some expertise? Do you lose some institutional knowledge by

1666
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 2: getting rid of incumbents? Yes, you doolutely. And one of

1667
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 2: the candidates that was going to run because I met

1668
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 2: both of them that were challenging incumbents in the House,

1669
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 2: and the one candidate, I said, you know what, we

1670
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 2: would have actually probably go backwards because this person that

1671
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 2: you're challenging is a chair. He's very knowledgeable when it

1672
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 2: comes to the chair the committee he's in and I've

1673
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 2: seen him do things that it'd be very tough for

1674
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 2: anybody else to duplicate because of his expertise in this field.

1675
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 2: So we would lose something when you challenge incumbents. But

1676
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 2: at the same time, when we're so willing to spend

1677
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:48,639
Speaker 2: money on some of these on uh incumbents every time

1678
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 2: they're challenged, then do you have an honest shake at

1679
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 2: free and fair elections?

1680
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying, of course, I mean this

1681
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 3: is the when we've been answer on this for now

1682
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 3: over an hour and a half, and the dance is

1683
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 3: what's going on in the party. What's going on in

1684
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 3: the party, And what I'm hearing you say this is

1685
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 3: how I hear. It doesn't mean it's right, mind you.

1686
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you what I hear. It means that

1687
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 3: if somebody comes in from the America First Movement and

1688
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:20,600
Speaker 3: challenges an establishment Republican, huge resources will be deployed to

1689
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 3: stop that Republican from winning, you know, and then we

1690
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 3: get this inner party. I'm just going to say it.

1691
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if I'm right or wrong.

1692
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 3: I'm just in my opinion, the juice to stop this

1693
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:36,800
Speaker 3: process of moving our party forward is not coming from

1694
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 3: the so called Mega movement. It's coming from the establishment,

1695
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 3: which is seeking to keep control of party process and

1696
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 3: party elected officials because it's seeking an outcome which I'm

1697
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 3: going to say not right, wrong, or indifferent. This is

1698
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 3: a guy talking to us that I voted for George W. Bush.

1699
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 3: You just said, well, people do maybe don't understand it

1700
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 3: quite as good as you do. You know you're making

1701
01:40:57,920 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 3: something You're saying in a nice way, I'm going to

1702
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 3: say very blunt. These people are globally orientated. We're in

1703
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 3: an ag export state and they do not want in

1704
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:13,640
Speaker 3: this state a growing citizens movement of people that are

1705
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 3: associated with the quote unquote Mega movement and that you know,

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01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 3: we're jammed up here. I mean we're jammed up in

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01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 3: Minnesota because I think what the money thinks. These wealthy

1708
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 3: donors you're talking about, they just figure they're going to

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01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 3: starve the party until the Mega movement goes away. And

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01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 3: it might go away, but it was the Tea Party first,

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01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 3: and then it became the Mega movement, and then it

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01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 3: will become something else because there is just a group

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01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 3: of citizens out there that are seeking something different than

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01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 3: what the party is selling. That's my opinion.

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Speaker 2: So defind the Mega movement then.

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01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 3: Well that's for me pretty easy to do, but it

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01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 3: seems to be difficult for other people. For me, it

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01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 3: has nothing to do per se for me personally with

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01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, he is right now the tit head of

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01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 3: the movement. But it really is a return to a

1721
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 3: kind of Republicanism which is much more traditional going back

1722
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 3: to eighteen fifty four than the current Republican Party in total,

1723
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 3: INMN GOP or the RNC. In this respect, the Republican

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01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 3: Party is about human freedom and human well being, and

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01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 3: there are issues that we can unify as Republicans around

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01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 3: economic freedom, religious freedom, food freedom, medical freedom. Those freedoms

1727
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 3: we need to unite urban and rule around those issues.

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01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 3: It involves and if you think about this from my perspective,

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01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 3: economic freedom. If we're running a worldwide empire, we don't

1730
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 3: have a border because we're an empire. So it's about

1731
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:53,599
Speaker 3: having a sovereign border, a sovereign country with more more

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01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 3: humility about our ambitions as a country, more focused on

1733
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 3: the well being of the citizens in your district. And

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01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 3: that to me is the MAGA movement.

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01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 2: And that's this is one thing that I've always had

1736
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 2: a concern about. I don't like a cult of personality.

1737
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 3: I don't I agree with you about that.

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01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:16,599
Speaker 2: What Trump stands for in those freedoms and stuff, they

1739
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 2: have to be articulated for so many people, especially because

1740
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 2: of the media and so forth. They have looked at

1741
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 2: Mega and basically said, it's all Trump. It has to

1742
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 2: be bigger than Trump, because when he's gone, what happens then?

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01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 3: Wasn't that my first statement that this for me is

1744
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:37,639
Speaker 3: not about President Trump. He's the leader of the movement

1745
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 3: right now.

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01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,719
Speaker 2: I understand, but even the video with Walls, he points

1747
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:45,720
Speaker 2: everything and all the Republicans to Trump. You know what,

1748
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,879
Speaker 2: I need something more than just the president. I need something.

1749
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 2: A movement has to be bigger than just its leader.

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01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 2: What happens when Trump is gone in three years, You're gonna.

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01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 3: Have a fight for who's going to lead the movement exactly.

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01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna say, where is that going to end up? Personally?

1753
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 3: It's very simple. It's about American citizenship. What benefits the

1754
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 3: value of every citizen's life? Longevity? Let's just start with longevity.

1755
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,719
Speaker 3: What are we doing as a country not to manage disease,

1756
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 3: but to enhance well being? That's the MAHA movement. That's

1757
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,600
Speaker 3: what are we doing in your backyard? You live in

1758
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:28,080
Speaker 3: an earl e what a kind of word? A rural

1759
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 3: a rural egg area. What are we doing to help

1760
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 3: those farmers in every aspect of their business so that

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01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 3: they're giving a city dweller's food that helps our longevity increase?

1762
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 3: You know things like that, longevity, longevity freedom, you know,

1763
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 3: economic freedom. What are we doing to help every citizen

1764
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 3: be self determining economically? What do we doing? So those

1765
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 3: are what I hope this movement becomes focused on, not,

1766
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 3: as you said, in a cult to personnel, because I

1767
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:02,799
Speaker 3: agree with you. What do you do after the culture?

1768
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 3: What do you do with the cult after the person's gone.

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01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 2: That's right, and I think that's something that we really

1770
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 2: have to talk about and discuss because where do we

1771
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 2: go from here when he's gone? Where are we going

1772
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 2: to go? Who's going to take that leadership? And the

1773
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 2: movement has to be bigger than the person. So you're right,

1774
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:23,640
Speaker 2: and you keep hitting using one term I shouldn't say,

1775
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:25,680
Speaker 2: hitting the nail on the head. Is what I was

1776
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 2: going to say is that freedom. We have given up

1777
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 2: a lot of our freedoms in this country when we

1778
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 2: have gone to a globalist mentality. And our freedoms come

1779
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 2: from you said it also self determining. When you are

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01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 2: a person who can supply provide for your family. You

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01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 2: know that house, white picket fence and the car in

1782
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 2: the driveway. Well we've lost those freedoms. We've lost that

1783
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 2: opportunities because we've sold our country out to globalism. What

1784
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:02,600
Speaker 2: our manufacturing has gone overseas. Most of the woodworking equipment

1785
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 2: I have in my shop we bought from companies when

1786
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 2: all of the I was gonna say like broy Hill

1787
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 2: and Thomas, but some of those wood companies that made

1788
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 2: dressers and cabinets, they went out of business they went

1789
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 2: out of business. North Carolina was a huge hub for

1790
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 2: making that type of furniture and it all went overseas.

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01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 3: And you know, President Trump just this week announced a

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01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 3: fifty day process of looking at furniture imports, and all

1793
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 3: the major furniture distributor stocks went down like four or

1794
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 3: five six percent because what he's getting ready to do

1795
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 3: is direct more protectionist barriers so that people can have

1796
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 3: jobs in that industry. You know, Mike, thank you. We're

1797
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:48,559
Speaker 3: running over and all this does is set up the

1798
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:53,680
Speaker 3: next get together because this conversation that we're having, it's

1799
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 3: a gentle conversation. We're starting to run up against each

1800
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 3: other a little bit, which is great. Respectfully, we're not

1801
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 3: throwing bricks at each other. And I want to invite

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01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 3: you back, and I want to go at you a

1803
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 3: little bit harder on some of these issues because you

1804
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 3: asked the critical question. And I'm going to invite you back,

1805
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 3: and we're gonna to you if you'll take de bait?

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01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:15,720
Speaker 3: Can we talk about what it is to be a Republican?

1807
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 2: Sure? The darnfall is we had a list of topics

1808
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 2: we were going to discuss. Yeah, and I don't think

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01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 2: we had any of them. Well, we're kind of brush

1810
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 2: up against a couple.

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01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 3: We're not going to do that again. Next time. It's

1812
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 3: going to be just completely live and improvisational, because that's

1813
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,320
Speaker 3: what it ends up being. See, I'm I'm I don't

1814
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 3: want to say I'm tricky, but you know, being a

1815
01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 3: good interviewer, I'm trying to listen to what you're saying,

1816
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,840
Speaker 3: make some points for us to build off of in

1817
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:44,840
Speaker 3: the next conversation, because we're really we really come down

1818
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 3: to what's going on in the party. How do we

1819
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 3: unify the party? And how can we unify if we

1820
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 3: don't have a rally point? And what you said was

1821
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:56,839
Speaker 3: we don't have a rally point. We've got to develop

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01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 3: a rally point for all Americans. I don't mean just Republicans.

1823
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 3: I mean we need a rally point for America. That's

1824
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 3: what I'm looking for. And I think it's those freedoms.

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01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 2: So you say America, and I agree, But we have

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01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 2: to control the things that we can. And I'll go

1827
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 2: back to my mom used to have great sayings, you know,

1828
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 2: sweep your own doorstep, meaning when as boys would get

1829
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 2: into confrontation, which we usually did, and you'd blame the

1830
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,839
Speaker 2: other person. No, no, no, no, no, sweep your own doorstep.

1831
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:38,639
Speaker 2: What did you do in this situation? Okay, when we're

1832
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 2: talking about politics, America is too broad. We need to

1833
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:44,520
Speaker 2: look at what we can change right here in Minnesota,

1834
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:47,880
Speaker 2: how we can make the situation better, what each of

1835
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:50,759
Speaker 2: us can do, because you're going to see those things

1836
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 2: a lot sooner, and when they're successful, then you can

1837
01:48:54,880 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 2: broaden it out. I think we need to focus on Minnesota.

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01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 3: And you're setting up my final closing statement for all

1839
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:08,600
Speaker 3: the Republicans that don't like the fact that I criticize Republicans.

1840
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 3: I'm sweeping my own doorstep. I want to bring our

1841
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:15,479
Speaker 3: party into a new kind of real unity where we

1842
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 3: have redefined what it is to be a Republican. Because

1843
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 3: if we don't do that, if we stay where we are,

1844
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 3: if we don't allow that process of redefinition, we're just

1845
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:28,160
Speaker 3: gonna bust because there's some hardcore resistance to what has

1846
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 3: previously been Okay, you agree with me about that. I

1847
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 3: would agree with that, Okay on that basis. On that note,

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01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 3: I want to thank you for coming in. I want

1849
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 3: to invite you back because we just can't get through

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01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 3: all of it. So You're welcome here, come back soon,

1851
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 3: keep this dialogue going. Any closing comments you'd like to share.

1852
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:48,760
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me back. Thanks Tanner for doing

1853
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 2: everything you do. You make us look good and I

1854
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 2: appreciate this. And I think more conversations need to be

1855
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 2: need to be had. We need to have those discussions

1856
01:49:56,200 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 2: and people need to hear different views. No problem with

1857
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 2: a little bit of confrontation, but let's let's figure out

1858
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 2: where we're going to go. Let's look for something better.

1859
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 2: We can do better in this state. We can do

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01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 2: better as Republicans, And saying that somebody dropped on need

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01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,200
Speaker 2: during session is I believe in Minnesota, and I believe

1862
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 2: in our people, and I totally agree with that we

1863
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 2: can do better. And if we just let the Democrats

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01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 2: run this state, we're not going to do any better.

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01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:28,840
Speaker 2: If we keep fighting amongst ourselves, we're not going to

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01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 2: do any better. So we've got a lot of work

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01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 2: to do.

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01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming in and look forward to seeing you

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01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 3: soon again. Tanner.

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01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:39,040
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