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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Battle Around.

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Speaker 2: This is a pro wrestling podcast with a hinge of

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Speaker 2: pop culture joint Battle in Eli as they break down

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Speaker 2: the world of professional wrestling and pop culture with special

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Speaker 2: guests including wrestlers and comedians. You never know who's gonna

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Speaker 2: stop by now making their way.

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Speaker 1: To the microphones.

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Speaker 3: Give it up for the greatest podcast tack team in

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Speaker 3: the world, Battle and Ela.

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Speaker 4: So this is a great monument for the podcasts.

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Speaker 5: A great monument.

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Speaker 1: I would say it's a great monument.

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Speaker 4: But today is an episode number.

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Speaker 1: Five zero fifteen.

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Speaker 4: We have now hit the milestone fifty podcasts and I

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Speaker 4: could think of a better way to us start the

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Speaker 4: fiftieth episode with a big guest. And when I mean

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Speaker 4: big guess, I mean like literally he had to crouch

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Speaker 4: to get into the studio, big daddy cool.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So without further ado, Oh, hold on, hold on

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Speaker 1: to your bets.

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Speaker 6: So what was that?

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Speaker 1: I think that's what we were supposed to say.

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Speaker 4: And he's Kevin's just sitting here looking at It's just

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Speaker 4: like face to his hand right now. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 4: So it's going down here in literally just a couple

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Speaker 4: of hours. Capital Wrestling and Wrestling for Innocence over at

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Speaker 4: Marathon Music Works.

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Speaker 1: Take a start at twenty five dollars and still available.

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Speaker 4: Meet and greet starts at three thirty and we have

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Speaker 4: Can I just go ahead and say, this is an

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Speaker 4: icon sitting across from me, Kevin Nash.

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Speaker 1: Is in the studio.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, this is like I was telling Eli earlier,

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Speaker 4: like this is a part of my childhood sitting in

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Speaker 4: front of me. This is what got me to WCW

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Speaker 4: and leaving WWF was what you and Scott Hall did.

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Speaker 4: And it's such an honor to have you in here.

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Speaker 4: So let's kind of talk about this. This uh, this

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Speaker 4: event today. All the proceeds are going to Adam Brazil.

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Speaker 4: Can you tell me about Adam real quick?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm Harry Turjaney and I do the color commentary

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Speaker 7: the Capital Wrestling, and so the cool thing about this

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Speaker 7: show is that it's going to help the legal fund

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Speaker 7: of Adam Brazil, who you guys know locally. He's he's

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Speaker 7: a hometown fella here and he was wrongfully convicted of

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Speaker 7: a crime of a murder, was released and then brought

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Speaker 7: back in. They released him due to ineffectual counsel. There's

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Speaker 7: no DNA evidence, he had an alibi, but they still

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Speaker 7: wanted to continue with the sentence. They brought him back

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Speaker 7: in and luckily, within the last week he was just released.

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Speaker 7: This time, we're hoping for good, but we're still doing

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Speaker 7: stuff to help his legal fund because there's still a lot.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot that went into it, and there's still

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Speaker 7: more that he has to do to get his life

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Speaker 7: back together. Because when that much time is taken away

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Speaker 7: from me. I think he was convicted in two thousand

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Speaker 7: and seven, released in twenty fifteen, and you know, that's

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Speaker 7: a big chunk of your life that gets taken away.

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Speaker 7: And this Wrestling for Innocence was started by a guy

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Speaker 7: named Anthony Dipipo, who is himself a guy who was

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Speaker 7: wrongfully accused. He's an ex Hoonnai and he made it

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Speaker 7: out and he's such a big wrestling fan and he

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Speaker 7: went in when he was like seventeen, you know, wow,

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Speaker 7: he did at least fifteen years and by the time

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Speaker 7: he's out, all he does now is go to wrestling

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Speaker 7: convention because he's such a huge wrestling fan and he's

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Speaker 7: making up for He always tells me, I'm making up

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Speaker 7: for my childhood, you know, and he wanted to do

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Speaker 7: something special with both those projects, with wrestling, which he

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Speaker 7: loves and helping out people like Adam. And one of

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Speaker 7: the people he wanted was Kevin Nash to be part

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Speaker 7: of it, and Scott Hall and Jake Hager. And that's

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Speaker 7: what we're doing at the Marathon Music Works today for

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Speaker 7: Capitol Wrestling. And it's a great show for sure, but

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Speaker 7: it's also a great cause. And now it's the best

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Speaker 7: part is it's turned into sort of a coming home

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Speaker 7: party for Adam and Kevin.

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Speaker 8: You just met Adam, I think yesterday the last night. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: The other thing was is, you know, it's one of

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Speaker 6: You know, the guy was DNA free, He had had

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Speaker 6: said to myself, they let him out because of that.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's just like this, this seems bad. Then

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Speaker 6: he sent me a personal uh voice message and then

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Speaker 6: I saw a picture of Him'm like, you know what

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Speaker 6: I mean, I got a lot. I'm gutstinct. I believe

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Speaker 6: just primal instincts. I just looked at this dude and

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Speaker 6: I said, this dude's and I said, I'm going to

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Speaker 6: go out of a limb for him. And like a

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Speaker 6: month later, as I was out down in Columbia, South

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Speaker 6: they Adam had his uh hearing this morning.

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Speaker 1: He's free man, And I bet that's like just I mean.

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Speaker 6: And then just to see him last night and hugging me,

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Speaker 6: I was just like wow, like like like good And

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Speaker 6: it's just I pray that it helped somewhat, you know,

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Speaker 6: that that we brought some kind of awareness to whether

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Speaker 6: get sticky, right, Let's let's get him out of it.

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Speaker 6: Let's get him out of here.

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Speaker 7: And the amazing thing is Kevin what's so great is that,

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Speaker 7: have to get involved by reading the material, but he

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Speaker 7: we'd get text back from Kevin going, oh, we got

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Speaker 7: And it's amazing and thank you for like caring about it,

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Speaker 7: because it's not just it could just be another booking

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Speaker 7: or whatever, another meeting fans and stuff.

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Speaker 8: But there's nothing wrong with that. But to be as invested, well.

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Speaker 6: I've been on the I've been on the other side

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Speaker 6: of that cage before, you know. I mean, a day

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Speaker 6: is too long, you know, and it's just if somebody

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Speaker 6: is wrongfully you know, convicted, man if I can help

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Speaker 6: it all, you know, Bob Dylan didn't have a problem

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Speaker 6: doing it for the Hurricane.

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Speaker 4: True Capitoal Wrestling and Wrestling for Innocence over at Marathon

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Speaker 4: Music Works here in a couple hours. So let's kind

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Speaker 4: of jump in some questions for Kevin ash and I

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Speaker 4: know that being an Alabama fan, this is going to

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Speaker 4: be an interesting question for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I hey, let me tell you.

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Speaker 4: I was there when I suck, So it's not a

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Speaker 4: I'm a now Nick, you're a fan, You're not a

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Speaker 1: Let me let's talk about your.

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Speaker 6: Did they ever say, you know what? I remember that

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Speaker 6: we beat them. I think my junior year, which probably

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Speaker 6: have been eighty I think we beat him in Knoxville.

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Speaker 6: That was like the big win, Like we hadn't beat

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Speaker 1: Right, I would.

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Speaker 5: I kept up with more of the football obviously, we're

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Speaker 5: you know, my grandparents they liked the University of Memphis,

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Speaker 5: But in the nineties, UT just wiped the floor with

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Speaker 1: It's been crazy.

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Speaker 4: But I want to know, how did you end up

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Speaker 4: playing basketball at the University of Tennessee.

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Speaker 6: I grew up in the South side of Detroit, and

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Speaker 6: Magic Johnson and I were, you know it, went to

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Speaker 6: and you know, retrospect and butterfly effect. I would have

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Speaker 6: been on a national championship team, but I just wanted

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Speaker 1: And the rest is history.

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Speaker 6: Until they brought it down to vou Then.

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Speaker 5: That's another story.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, another story.

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Speaker 5: Well, after you played with the balls, you had an

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Speaker 5: interesting couple of years overseas. Tell us a little bit

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Speaker 6: Actually, I this is this kind of coincide what I

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Speaker 6: So I joined the service. Yeah, and I did three

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Speaker 6: Tennessee says Division one. I said yeah. He said, well

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Speaker 6: so I played ball schedule yeah nightron them off a

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Speaker 6: Second year, I blew my knee out and came home

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Speaker 6: and buddies of mine we used to do the Friday

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Speaker 6: And I said, you know what, I said, I can't

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Speaker 6: And that's how I had the rest is history so

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Speaker 4: So I don't think I could run twenty now I

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Speaker 4: don't think I could either. So after you went to

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Speaker 1: Who was it that trained you in your wrestling?

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Speaker 6: You know, it's like breaking in. Back then there was

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Speaker 5: I couldn't keep the foot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So okay, I was going to do this so.

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Speaker 7: Sugaring for people who don't know, like the process of

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Speaker 6: It's just somebody put you in a hold and pretty

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Speaker 6: much just grinds on you. I mean, it's just you know,

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Speaker 6: the three guys in a row. He basically took their

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of making me like kind of crunch yeah.

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Speaker 6: Right. And of course this is after basically you know,

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Speaker 5: And I'm sure back in those days there wasn't as

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Speaker 6: Was against the law, not to beat your children, right.

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Speaker 5: Right, that's freaking wild. So pro wrestling is a interesting beast.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's not a it's not a sport, it's

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Speaker 6: And the pros when I got when I got my

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Speaker 5: Yeah Armstrong for real, Yeah really and.

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Speaker 6: Timmy was too. I mean they were both great, and

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Speaker 6: like I said, like, oh man, So every for like

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, it would just be like this

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Speaker 6: complete downer because you knew, like wow, like I'm like

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Speaker 6: I can't say.

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Speaker 4: No, leave it out up on the podcast the good Yeah, but.

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Speaker 6: I mean it was it was it was like I

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Speaker 6: I went to Dusty. I said, Dusty said, let me

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Speaker 6: eating was so good. Yeah, and learned, like, let me

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Speaker 6: just I just want to learn. I'll do the job

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Speaker 6: He said, just be glad you have a job. I said, no, okay,

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Speaker 6: turn around. My whole thing was like I left. I

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Speaker 6: making six figures. It wasn't like I was, you know,

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Speaker 6: weren't hurting. No, I mean, I don't know side hustles

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Speaker 6: and I don't ever remember like waking up saying I

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Speaker 6: One hundred and thirty girls got We had like three

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Speaker 6: I mean we had a we had a strong roster.

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Speaker 1: So it's your easy money for you.

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Speaker 6: Then, yeah, I was, I mean you had to fight

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Speaker 6: back and again that was a different year too. You

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Speaker 6: know that was back when you had the five D

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Speaker 6: battery mag mag Life flashlight that you wa yeah.

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Speaker 1: You ain't getting up from it? Him, No, not at all.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 4: So you know, kind of talked about your time with

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Speaker 4: w CW and from about ninety to ninety three and

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Speaker 4: talk about some interesting gimmicks. Sallies, What did you remember

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Speaker 6: When when I went to Saint Petersburg's Saint Pete and

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Speaker 6: I had no I knew I was. I knew it

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Speaker 6: was going to be this OZ character, but I had

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Speaker 6: walk in and there's this like box and it's it's

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's like a you know, it's a it's

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Speaker 6: a pretty big box. It's like the one that whatever

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Speaker 6: that girl's name was on the prices right would be

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Speaker 6: first thing is there's there's the pants, the boots, the cloak,

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Speaker 6: and then underneath it, in a separate box is the

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Speaker 6: rubber mask with the dunce hat. And I just went like, oh,

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Speaker 6: dear God, like why did you just fire me? Like?

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Speaker 6: And it just and you know, and I remember like

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Speaker 6: mask on I do, and he's choking this monkey and

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Speaker 5: That was literal, right, it was.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah exactly, I was. I was. I was behind

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Speaker 6: him and underneath my my cloak choking my monkey. I

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Speaker 6: just like, are you kidding me? And that was that

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Speaker 6: was Dusty.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I have to say, as a ten year old,

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Speaker 5: I thought it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is.

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Speaker 6: Done Japan with that gimmick. They send me to Japan,

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Speaker 6: in the Osaka Dome and we had like a rehearsal

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Speaker 6: that that earlier that day where they had got they

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Speaker 6: were raising me like on a remember I used to

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Speaker 6: cantapult ray mysterio. Yeah, this was like a slow yeah.

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Speaker 6: They raised me. Yeah, and as as my they had

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Speaker 6: of a sudden, now like my I not. It gets

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Speaker 6: And I realized they're saying. I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 6: this character is over. I'm over. The Steiners had me

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Speaker 6: so wound up. I worked super stiff, and like when

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Speaker 6: I got at the end of the tour, me and

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Speaker 6: Lager won the the Tag Championship. It was a crush

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Speaker 6: of the super Heavy. They always have such a way

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Speaker 6: of using the English language crush of the super Heavy

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Speaker 6: tournament and lagger and I want it and they I

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Speaker 6: didn't get on the bus last night going back to

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Speaker 6: resign with WW come over here, and I was like, cool, dang.

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Speaker 6: In the meantime, they switched me Tovity Vegas and Sean

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Speaker 6: Michael sees that and says, hey, why don't you come

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Speaker 6: to be my bodyguard? And I said I'll do that

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Speaker 6: the rest.

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Speaker 4: It's going down here, just a couple of hours Capital

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Speaker 4: Wrestling and Wrestling for Innocence over there at the Marathon

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Speaker 4: Music Works. Tickets start at twenty five dollars available door.

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Speaker 4: There's going to be a special meet and greet at

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Speaker 4: three thirty. Kevin Nash will be there, Scott Hall, Jack Swagger,

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Speaker 4: and so many more.

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Speaker 1: Definitely get your tickets for that one.

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Speaker 5: You're kind of like segueing into this stuff perfectly. The

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Speaker 5: next question is about Sean Michaels. So that's that's great.

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Speaker 6: So I mean, you do you know I'm clairvoyant? Right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, I mean is that how you got

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Speaker 5: to WWF?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Simple as Actually actually he talked to Robbie Steiner

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Speaker 6: and he said, you think you do you know Nash?

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Speaker 6: He said yeah, I said, we've been working out. I

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Speaker 6: knew the Steiners before I even got in the business,

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Speaker 6: when I was working at the bar they used. We

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Speaker 6: called Coffee's Gym, Hardcore place, So I trained with Robbie

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Speaker 6: they said, yeah, we know, we know Nash, And uh,

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Speaker 6: Robbie called me there in Green Bay and he said, hey,

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Speaker 6: Michael's wants you to be his bodyguard. And I said,

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Speaker 6: all right, I got to get out of my deal.

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Speaker 6: So just told Barry Windham on the way to Dalton TV.

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Speaker 6: Like two or three days later, I said, Man, my

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Speaker 6: my get out of the business. Walked in, I said,

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Speaker 6: walked in to Ollie and I said I need out. Man,

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Speaker 6: sent JJ my termination letter from w c w's office

435
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 6: to the WWF office.

436
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: That's the greatest, like middle figure, thank you very much.

437
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 6: Wow.

438
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 7: How many guys at Ollie Anderson say goodbye to the

439
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 7: mark callis he'll never draw a dime?

440
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure he came back just to just to

441
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 6: tell Austin that too.

442
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

443
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 5: What what was the what was the original plan when

444
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 5: you got there? Was it just the bodyguard or did

445
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 5: did Vince already have stuff laid out?

446
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 6: I know it was just I think it was one

447
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 6: of those things. But you know, this is when the

448
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 6: federal drug trial was hot and heavy. I mean they

449
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 6: were they were. I mean there was there was not

450
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 6: a guy taking anything, you know, as far as anabolics, Like,

451
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 6: there wasn't a guy on steroids, and all of a sudden,

452
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 6: like everybody shrunk. We had had a deal at WCW

453
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 6: where you got a bonus if you were clean. So

454
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 6: I was already clean. I'd been cleaned for years, because

455
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,239
Speaker 6: I mean, if you're making a hundred fifty grandy, tell

456
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 6: you're gonna give you ten percent bonus every six months.

457
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 6: I mean it's like take the extra thirty grands. Yeah,

458
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 6: I'm Benny Vegas. I'm wrestling in his shirt. Really yeah, yeah,

459
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter. But I showed up. I was like

460
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 6: three hundred and twelve, three hundred and sixteen pounds something

461
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 6: like that. When I showed up at Vince and he

462
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 6: was like and they tested me. Yeah, like this is

463
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 6: back when Dpat doctor d Pas Squeal was doing it

464
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 6: and they did that, they do that carbon gas testing

465
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 6: where it's like absolutely, it's like an Olympic standards. Yeah,

466
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 6: and I came back. He said, this guy's clean, and

467
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 6: Vince was like, my.

468
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: God, contract Contra have a three hundred.

469
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 6: And fifteen pound clean guy.

470
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 4: So man and so you did have one of the

471
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 4: greatest singles year in ninety four. Back in w WF,

472
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 4: you won three titles of the Triple Crown, two slammis,

473
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 4: and you also held the world title for the longest

474
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: time in the nineties. What was the transformation like for

475
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 4: your stint with WCW just a short time before that?

476
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 6: Unbelievable. I remember when when when I came into I

477
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 6: went out to Vince's house and he said to me,

478
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 6: I had already had the ICEA belt and I had

479
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 6: had the tag belts with sewn and he said, you know,

480
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 6: think about putting the belt tiny there. And I said

481
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 6: to us, I see belt back. He goes, no, the

482
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 6: championship belt. I was just like, what, not knowing why.

483
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 6: I hadn't even had three hundred matches in my life.

484
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 6: I probably had like maybe one hundred and thirty matches

485
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 6: at that point, you know, like I had no matches.

486
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 6: I guart you, I've had less less matches probably than

487
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 6: anybody that's been world champion up in that organization.

488
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: And he's saying, we're putting it on you, and you're

489
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: the guy.

490
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 6: You're the guy.

491
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 4: So what's going through your mind when he tells you

492
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 4: that is it, like kinda do you have to take

493
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 4: a second and be like, wait, did you just say

494
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 4: I'm goal oriented?

495
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 6: Like I've always set goals. So it's just like wow, dudes,

496
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 6: like you just fast forwarded me three years and then

497
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 6: I was a big problem after that. It was like

498
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 6: I couldn't find something to I mean, to get better

499
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 6: was of course, you know, one of the things. And

500
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 6: I was so blessed to work with Brett and Sean

501
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 6: and Jeff Jarrett and I mean I got a Scott

502
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 6: like I worked with really some of the I mean,

503
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 6: I don't think I named a guy that's not in

504
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame, so that you know, everybody I

505
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 6: worked with was hall of fame, hall of Fame caliber.

506
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 6: And take her Yoko. And the next thing became just

507
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 6: it became monetary, like the thing became like how much

508
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 6: I want to make money now? And just so happened,

509
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 6: Ted was Ted was writing.

510
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 4: Checks without any money on it and said, let you

511
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 4: just yeah, here's the what you want.

512
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 6: Can't move away from there, said the land is the

513
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 6: place you ought to be.

514
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 5: Well that goes into the next question perfectly. So you've

515
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 5: talked about this a lot. I think there was even

516
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 5: I can't remember if it was on Scott Hall's that's

517
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 5: the network special. I can't remember I saw something on

518
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 5: the network. But obviously you left WWF and went to WCW.

519
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 5: Explain like why that happened, because even though WWF was

520
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 5: a bigger company at the time, I mean, you left

521
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 5: for WCW. And also after the first stint with all

522
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 5: those gimmicks and stuff, I mean, what what convinced you

523
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 5: to go back?

524
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 6: Now? Just money? Yeah, you know it was it was

525
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 6: the thing was like people think that like Scott and

526
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 6: I left and it was like this happening place to

527
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 6: go at that time. It was the Dungeon of Doom.

528
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 6: I mean, this is this is I mean the last

529
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 6: pay per view I watched before I went there was

530
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 6: the monster truck battle on top of Cobo Hall. Oh

531
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 6: but the Giant went over the side and then came

532
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 6: back and wrestled and the YETI came out. Yeah bad

533
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 6: as very oddsworthy.

534
00:26:59,200 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: And it's like that.

535
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: Like WCW back in the day before you guys got there.

536
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 4: It was very gimmicky. Because we talked to Mick Foley

537
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 4: about the electric chair match that they had and he

538
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 4: was like I got up there, and as soon as

539
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 4: I got up there, the switch it already fell down.

540
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: And he's like, well, I had to like maneuver it

541
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 4: to make it look like I shocked Abdullah and he

542
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 4: was electrocuted.

543
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: And he said it was just like WCW. Nobody. It

544
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: was just the laughing stock of wrestling.

545
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was horrible, and it wasn't that way for

546
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 5: a while, like if you go from like eighty nine

547
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 5: to ninety two, ish, I.

548
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: Mean there was.

549
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 5: I mean, well in WWF was gimmicky too. I mean, Isaac, everybody, Adam.

550
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 6: Everybody was an occupation there for a while. Yeah, Plumber.

551
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 5: So it was like you had the upper tier with

552
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 5: like you and Sean and Brett, and then you had

553
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 5: the doink and all that stuff. But it was also

554
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 5: it was it was the dates too, right, I mean

555
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 5: that was the big thing. I mean if Vince offered

556
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 5: you a million for three hundred dates and Turner was

557
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 5: a million for one hundred dates, absolutely, I mean like,

558
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 5: why wouldn't you work less?

559
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, work less. And the thing was too

560
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 6: that there was no guarantee with events you could fall

561
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 6: out of favor and not be in that spot and

562
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, you go from a million to

563
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 6: six hundred. So with Turner it was it was seven figures,

564
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 6: and it was guaranteed. It was guaranteed for three to

565
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 6: five year. It was three first, then it ended up

566
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 6: being five. But and they just kept, you know, we

567
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 6: their favorite nation, so they bring us in somebody else

568
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 6: and they'd have to bump them up.

569
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 1: Did you get that deal too?

570
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Scott I poned on Scott's Yeah, we

571
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 6: both had the same agent.

572
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: Nice.

573
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: You know, one thing that made me the biggest wrestling

574
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: fan was part of the biggest thing that you were

575
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 4: part of in history with the formation of the nWo,

576
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: and you know, Hulk Hogan turned heel and of course

577
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 4: I was like, this is the greatest thing in the world,

578
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 4: because I always, in my opinion, putting it for their perspective.

579
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 4: Now Hogan was like Sena for the younger audience. Of

580
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: a sudden, here he comes out, leg drop, He's the

581
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 4: third guy. What's what was that like leading up to that,

582
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 4: because I mean for a while it was kind of

583
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 4: back and forth, and I've had a conversation with Bischoff

584
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: and he said that third guy originally was supposed to

585
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 4: be sting.

586
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 6: That was the backup plan of Hulk wasn't going to right.

587
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 6: Hulk sat and at that point, Sullivan lived in Daytona

588
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 6: Beach and Hulk sat at Sullivan's house and it took

589
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 6: Sullivan basically till about five o'clock to get Hulk to determine.

590
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 6: And you know, yeah, he was going to do it.

591
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 6: But would you have to remember, like just Scott and

592
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 6: I alone the first week was making the second week

593
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 6: I think was Charleston. By week three that we were together,

594
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 6: that's when we started beating them. That was the start

595
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 6: of the eighty three weeks.

596
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: And that was the moment that I became a WCW

597
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: fan on Monday nights.

598
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, because it was just like nobody like like we

599
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 6: were two of the top six guys. And well, the

600
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 6: last the Last Garden Show was the last house show

601
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 6: that we did, and Scott wrestled Hunter in the match

602
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 6: and semi main and then the main event was Sean

603
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 6: and I in a cage. Then we came out and

604
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 6: did the curtain call afterwards, and I mean then that

605
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 6: was the largest we did, like three hundred and fifty

606
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 6: thousand dollars house, which was the largest house they'd ever

607
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 6: done non pay per view in the history of the company.

608
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 6: So when we had things going then when we jumped,

609
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 6: people were just a, yeah, this is before the internet.

610
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 6: This is back when you had to call me eight

611
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 6: hundred number buck ninety nine minutes, you know for that.

612
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think both of us did all that one.

613
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, but do you do you think I mean, there

614
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: it had to be things different. But I mean, do

615
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: you think the nWo would have had the same impact

616
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 5: if it happened with Vents in ninety six or do

617
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 5: you think it was the whole part of y'all coming over?

618
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 6: I think because of what the illusion was so much

619
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 6: so that the boys weren't sure that we weren't double agents.

620
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 6: Oh wow, you know. And then when when when Jim

621
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 6: Ross came up with the idea to bring Diesel and

622
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 6: Razor back, you know, use use Glenn and that other

623
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 6: guy to be Diesel and Razor, and they started promoting

624
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 6: they we were coming back. I swear to you. I

625
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 6: got my pager goes off, it's a four or four

626
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 6: number and at the end of it is nine one one.

627
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 6: I'm in Dayton Abuse with my wife, my son's I

628
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 6: don't know, maybe three or four months old, and I

629
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 6: pull over at at a liquor store because there's a

630
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 6: pay phone in front. I do my AT and T

631
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 6: I call like one. They're like, we're sending a private

632
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 6: plane to get Scott and you who are having a

633
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 6: meeting right now in Atlanta. I'm like, okay. So we

634
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 6: get there and like they're they're they're legals there and

635
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 6: Eric's Aaron. They're like, you know, what's going on? Are

636
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 6: you guys not happy?

637
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm going on vacation, man.

638
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 6: At my house. Everything's still. We're good. And they were like, no,

639
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 6: man like, and they put a deal in front of

640
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 6: us that was more lucrative and longer.

641
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: You didn't have to do nothing. We didn't even we

642
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: did a couple of weeks in.

643
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're getting like instead of a three year deal

644
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 6: and we have now a five year deal. In the

645
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 6: last like the last year was like bank bank and

646
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 6: so it's like so push forward to the introduction of

647
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 6: diesel and razor and we're sitting there in the back

648
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 6: of the truck, had a monitor. They're like, next up

649
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 6: diesel razor and legal guy and Eric like they just

650
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 6: look at us like we're gonna Vanish and show up

651
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 6: on their ship.

652
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: Taking adventures. They just snapped their faces and.

653
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 6: Then all of a sudden, here comes here comes these

654
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 6: two cats, and it's just like we just say, look

655
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 6: like we sculked each other. We just walked away laughed

656
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 6: like like what did you guys think?

657
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: I mean, have to do anything, got more money and

658
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: we get to laugh at it.

659
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 7: They saw that monitor realized they just lost seven million dollars.

660
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, forty seconds they wasted. I mean, they had don't

661
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 6: play double double zero green on the root last.

662
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 5: I mean, it had to be kind of flattering, I guess,

663
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 5: but it also had to be really surreal. It was

664
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 5: because they were like passable at best. I mean when

665
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 5: you when they walk out like okay, that's not the

666
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 5: same guys.

667
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 6: I just to me, it was one of those things

668
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 6: like I mean kind of an Elvis moment. Yeah, you know,

669
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 6: like you feel like wow, man, like we actually And

670
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 6: then by then they then they sued him. They came

671
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 6: after w CW with a lawsuit man man Scotward depositions forever.

672
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 6: I just saw Jerry mcdivid at a Hunter's fiftieth birthday party.

673
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 6: Who was the guy that did the deposition He's like, hi, Kevin, Jerry, No, Jerry,

674
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 6: don't remember your fin He sat three months, for hours

675
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 6: at a time on my off time, being deposed during

676
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 6: this for this this court case.

677
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 5: That was I think the first time that I realized

678
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 5: Vin's own characters. Yeah, that was the first time, you know,

679
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 5: it didn't you know. I was, you know, in my

680
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 5: teen so it didn't really click. But then when that happened, like, oh, okay,

681
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 5: that makes sense. So which is smart on his laugh?

682
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 6: Oh yeah it was. It was his intellectual property. The

683
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 6: thing was, though, it was this is how this is

684
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 6: what the deposition basically was. They would show me a

685
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 6: picture of Razor Ramone, the character, and they say, who

686
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 6: is this. I mean Scott Hall, you mean Ramon. I'm like, no,

687
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 6: I don't call him Razor. Like we're in the car.

688
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 6: I say, hey, Scott, I said, you know. And then

689
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 6: finally they got to me and they would showing pictures

690
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 6: of me and they said, this is in Deeds. I said, no,

691
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 6: it's Kevin Nash. I said, look, I said, I pull

692
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 6: up my driver's license. I covered the name. I said,

693
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 6: do you think underneath this is as Diesel? I'm in

694
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 6: Scott Nash, I moved my hand. Kevin Scott Nash.

695
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 7: Got to I would watch those like a shoot interview video,

696
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 7: college depositions of you and Scott.

697
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: This is sure, there's videos.

698
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 6: So yeah, in the middle of we would go like

699
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 6: high vents.

700
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna be on the next network special. The depositions.

701
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 8: They do have access to it, they could.

702
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, why not. I had a great talk with Events

703
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 6: at Paul's birthday too. Was nice just to get away

704
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 6: from the gorilla position and get to talk to Events

705
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 6: just one on one. It was nice to catch up.

706
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 6: He was he looked great, he looked he looked amazing, and.

707
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, most people in their seventies don't look like him.

708
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 6: No, it's so funny. My eyesight, I'm sixty. My eyesight's gone.

709
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 6: And you know, Hunter's got this beautiful uh. I guess

710
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 6: it's his retirement property is on the lake and it's

711
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 6: it's a I think the houses on nine acres and

712
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 6: across from there it's like, you know, probably another eighty acres.

713
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 6: And so I see like a guy in a baseball

714
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 6: cap and he's kind of a good building. He's walk

715
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 6: and I said, wow, I said, I can't believe it's

716
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 6: Sena is at the birthday party. As he gets closer,

717
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 6: I'm like, me, walked, I thought Vince was sena, I said,

718
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 6: I said, dude, I thought you were saying he was

719
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 6: jacked his arms because you every time I see he's

720
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 6: in a suit right as a gorilla position, like he's

721
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 6: still like he's stout man, And I say, good man,

722
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 6: that's like I told my that night, I said, you're

723
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 6: kind of my mentor. Man, I'm digging it.

724
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: Just just picturing that right now, like Vince and like

725
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 4: T shirt, shorts and the ball cap, ball cap, just

726
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: strolling up probably.

727
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 6: With with with cons on, low top, white cons, no laces.

728
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: Nice. That picturing that right now, I'm like.

729
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 6: That's I mean, it's as sweet as it gets.

730
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: That's incredible.

731
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 6: Yeah.

732
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: Oh man, where are we at? Oh yeah?

733
00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 8: Okay.

734
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 6: So, so.

735
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 5: WCW was the hottest thing in wrestling and then it

736
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 5: kind of tanked a little bit and Vince bought it.

737
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 5: Did you think that you would be rehired or did

738
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: you think that there was a bridge burnt with you

739
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 5: know at that.

740
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 6: Point I still had when he bought it, I had

741
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 6: sixteen months left at like huge money.

742
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of you guys just sat out because.

743
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 6: I just sat. I mean the way I looked at

744
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 6: it too, is I never spent money. So I had

745
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 6: accumulated enough money where I pretty much because I bought

746
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 6: real estate. I bought like five ocean front lots of

747
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 6: like one fifty apiece down there and didn't sell any

748
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 6: him for less than seven figures. Yes, so I I

749
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 6: had made money with my money. It was just like

750
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 6: I really didn't have to work. And I mean I

751
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 6: still to me right now, like I'm operly conditioned to

752
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 6: be in a three hundred square foot room as much

753
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 6: as possible. So I still like going on the road.

754
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 6: But uh like I just if they didn't want to

755
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 6: have us. So I knew there because uh at that point,

756
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 6: like TNA was just starting out also, so Jeff had

757
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 6: offered me to come work there, so I knew i'd

758
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 6: go someplace.

759
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 5: Had you talked to Vince.

760
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 8: Or I don't.

761
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 5: I don't guess Hunter had got to where he is now.

762
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 5: But had you had talked to WWF at all in

763
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 5: that in your w.

764
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 6: C w R ran into events, I ran into like

765
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 6: the crew one time in Newark Airport, like in the

766
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 6: middle of the run, and we talked and then I

767
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 6: ran in the events one other time and we talked,

768
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 6: and I mean, Vince and I have always been friends.

769
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 6: You know, he took me underneath this wing. He I mean,

770
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 6: I owe you know, I owe everything to him because

771
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 6: he was the one that was the first person that

772
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 6: gave me that push. So and I and I think

773
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 6: that I when I when I talked to Vince, I

774
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 6: just like Vince, I said, you know, you know, just

775
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 6: match this offer and I'll stand. He said, keV, I

776
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 6: can't do it. And when he said that, it was

777
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 6: just it was it was as simple as I was,

778
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 6: just like, I can't match the offer. And I think

779
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 6: I I think I didn't go with this blessing, but

780
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 6: I didn't go with heat. Well.

781
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 5: I think the whole thing was that was he was

782
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: worried that if he did it for you, then he

783
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 5: would have to do everybody.

784
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 6: Yeah.

785
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was they were still rebounding from the

786
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 5: steroid stuff. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

787
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: It is going down here in just a couple of hours,

788
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 4: Capital Wrestling and Wrestling for Innocence over at Marathon Music Works.

789
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: You still get tickets at the door twenty five dollars

790
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 4: as the meat and great start to get three thirty,

791
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 4: Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Jackswagger will all be there and

792
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: all proceeds go to the Adam Burscill Legal fun. Let's

793
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 4: kind of talk about TNA for a little bit. What

794
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: was it like working with TNA being in the main

795
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 4: event Mafia? Was it kind of the same working at

796
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 4: TNA like it was in WCW.

797
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 6: I mean, I love that period of my career because

798
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 6: it was sixty eight miles from my from my garage

799
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 6: to the back gate Universal. It's hard to be. Yeah,

800
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 6: it was just it was been and people worked hard

801
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 6: that we put out a good product at times. Other

802
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 6: times it was just on who was in charge of

803
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 6: what was going on. But I thought that main event

804
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 6: I think we did. We did like mid twos, like

805
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 6: two three, two five ratings with that. I just never

806
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 6: understood like Spike TV would never run a TENA AD,

807
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 6: but they would run UFC.

808
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: Ads throughout the meltor and yeah.

809
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 6: They would run everything, but TNA ads on Spike TV.

810
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 4: So was it a thing because I know, according to

811
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 4: like I guess the dirt sheets, Spike TV and Vin

812
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 4: Trusso had like heat together.

813
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: Was that kind of why or.

814
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 6: You know what? I don't know I mean, like I said,

815
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 6: I was sixty eight miles away.

816
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: I just kind of you just show up when you

817
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: and I.

818
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 6: Had complete freedom to work indies and do whatever I wanted.

819
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 6: So I worked five days a week for the I

820
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 6: mean five days a month for them. I got paid

821
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 6: well and I went out did indies and autograph signings,

822
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 6: and I mean because I didn't get a chance, I

823
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 6: never worked indies. So that was like my first you know,

824
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 6: I was like forty four, forty five years old, like

825
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 6: working break breaking into you know, it was it was

826
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 6: a ball for me because it was like like the

827
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 6: it was the reverse, you know, and I really I

828
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 6: got to work with a lot of really young talent

829
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 6: coming up and like the jay Lethal's and everybody that's

830
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 6: over now that's you know the young Bucks Joe Yeah,

831
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 6: Joe aj like everybody that was that's that's you know,

832
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 6: at the top of the food chain. Now is I

833
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 6: got a chance to work at you know, my Swan song,

834
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 6: So I got no regrets. Nice.

835
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 5: Speaking of like the wrestling climate, a w's the new

836
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 5: new kids on town. What do you think of the

837
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 5: you know, finally getting a big company to kind of

838
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 5: go well, you know, they're not competing with events obviously,

839
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 5: but uh, it's just an alternative for wrestlers. I mean,

840
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 5: what do you think about the organization, what do you

841
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 5: think about their chances of survival.

842
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 6: I haven't met Tony. I heard he's a great guy.

843
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 5: They're big w CW guys.

844
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, they all like the and I think that when

845
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 6: you've got like you know, when you've got that kind

846
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 6: of bank, I mean, you can drop fifty to one

847
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 6: hundred million dollars a year into a product and not

848
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 6: even blink, that's a write off for those guys. So

849
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 6: they definitely have the funding. I think they're going to

850
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 6: have to. Mean, they're they're in this mode right now

851
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 6: where like they don't want to touch anybody that was

852
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 6: was you know, with the WWE or anybody, And it's

853
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 6: just like that's great until you start to have to

854
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 6: fill two hours of wrestling every week. You need more

855
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 6: than four guys on your roster. Yeah, and that's going

856
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 6: to be your problem because if you don't have a

857
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 6: Q rating and you're going against and I think NXT

858
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 6: is going to run against.

859
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 5: Them, Yeah, that's the rumor.

860
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 6: So if they're going to run against them, it's just

861
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 6: like you know, you've got maybe five or six guys

862
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 6: that are household names, and after that, like unless they're

863
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 6: going twenty five minutes, and I don't think twenty five

864
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 6: minutes works on television. You know, like you need to

865
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 6: have some some some Q rating guys that you need

866
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 6: to pick up. So I think that things will change.

867
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 6: But you know, I saw something with Cody Roase that

868
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 6: they weren't going for the casual fans, right, I said,

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Speaker 6: I hope, I hope you enjoyed that point point three?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you go be sitting there with the Saturday morning

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Speaker 4: local wrestling.

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Speaker 5: P Yeah, the guys are tier tier.

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Speaker 6: Like wait a minute, and Hot Topics is only gonna

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Speaker 6: last so long. Think you need to think a little

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Speaker 6: bit outside. Yeah, outside the box.

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Speaker 4: So let's kind of go back twenty fifteen. You're inducted

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Speaker 4: into the Hall of Fame. What did that honor mean

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Speaker 4: to you? And the real question is is when is

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Speaker 4: the n w O getting in? We just saw d

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Speaker 4: X get in. When is n w O getting their time?

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Speaker 6: I mean I haven't heard anything. I heard I heard

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Speaker 6: it because I'll hoax from Tampa. We're going this, this

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Speaker 6: is coming here.

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Speaker 5: I mean, objectively, I think the n wo had a

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Speaker 5: bigger impact than d X. I like both obviously, but

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I just I love it because it was a chance.

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Speaker 6: Like a hunter needs to be in the in the

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Speaker 6: Hall of Fame, he would never put himself in the

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Speaker 6: Hall of so that means he would never get a

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Speaker 6: chance to go in. So this wee here like Pock

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Speaker 6: Pock went in, Billy went in, Road Dot mean that

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Speaker 6: was it was huge. Yeah, you know, so from from

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Speaker 6: a standpoint of just putting in people that deserve to

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Speaker 6: go in and doing it in a fatal swoop, it was.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was great. I thought their impact was amazing.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think they were what turn the tide.

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Speaker 6: You know, they took it up a level. They knew

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Speaker 6: that standards and practices had gotten a lot tougher on us,

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Speaker 6: and they just you know, stretched the envelope. And like

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Speaker 6: I said, you know, we built the Saturn five and

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Speaker 6: right before we went to the moon, Thence kicked us

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Speaker 6: in the side of the head and said, I got

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Speaker 6: it from here. One small step for wrestling one man.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 5: Well, well, work in fans, keep up with you online

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Speaker 5: and keep up with your schedule.

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Speaker 6: I'm on real Kevin Nash on Twitter and real Kevin

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Speaker 6: Nash Instagram. I don't have Facebook because I can't block

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Speaker 6: you on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Nice black people on Facebook.

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Speaker 6: Now, Yeah, but it's there's like ninety you can't get

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Speaker 6: a check.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, you can't verify.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's like eight, Like.

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Speaker 1: You have to jump through thirty different hoops to get

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Speaker 1: a check on there. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So I don't understand how Facebook and Instagram are the same.

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Speaker 6: You can get you can get verified on Instagram, but

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Speaker 6: not Facebook, not Facebook.

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Speaker 1: It's like Twitter is the easiest to get verified on.

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Speaker 4: So but yeah, it's exciting today a couple hours from now,

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Speaker 4: Capital Wrestling and Wrestling for Innocence over at Marathon Music

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Speaker 4: Works once again. Tickets twenty five dollars at the door

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Speaker 4: and meet and greet starts atree thirty. Of course you

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Speaker 4: can see the original outsider, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash will

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Speaker 4: be there, Jackswagger and so many more. It's going to

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Speaker 4: be exciting and cannot wait to be over there.

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Speaker 6: I would go just to be able to put a

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Speaker 6: to put a face on Adam Brazil, just to be

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Speaker 6: able to know that this I mean, when you see

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Speaker 6: this guy, there's somebody that's that's more warranted to walk

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Speaker 6: on this earth and be out of that cage just

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Speaker 6: as a cat man. He's he's such a good guy,

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Speaker 6: such a solid human being. He's you know, he's very

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Speaker 6: religious and I don't know, man, just it's good to

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Speaker 6: see something good happen on this.

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Speaker 1: Planet, especially with all the negatives going on.

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Speaker 6: You have these two mass shootings last week, you know,

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Speaker 6: everything that goes on, and you know somebody but the

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Speaker 6: other day was like, was it Iceland actually saw the

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Speaker 6: underneath their feet the glacier? Was it was night?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's just like it's over. It, game's over.

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Speaker 4: Better start getting that that Mars or Moon colony ready

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Speaker 4: for this go luck with us well, Kevin, it's such

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Speaker 4: an honor to have you in the studio, and I

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Speaker 4: tried not to geek out in this interview, so hopefully.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this week's episode of Battleground. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you give it five stars and leave a nice review.

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