1
00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,400
Speaker 1: Welcome to between the Horns as we get set for

2
00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,360
Speaker 1: well hopefully a rebound. I'm cameroner went alongside JV. Long

3
00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,240
Speaker 1: and Maury stones Drew, of course, presented by your Southern

4
00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,840
Speaker 1: California Toyo to dealers. We've got some smiles on our faces,

5
00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,480
Speaker 1: but I think we got to air a couple of

6
00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,239
Speaker 1: things out coming off the loss to the Dolphins on

7
00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,160
Speaker 1: Monday Night football. JB. Long, it's a short week. How

8
00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:30,800
Speaker 1: you feel.

9
00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,240
Speaker 2: Met JD you go first.

10
00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,760
Speaker 3: I think there was a lot of new and I

11
00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,839
Speaker 3: don't want to say I got exposed, but when you

12
00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,320
Speaker 3: don't work in a live game for nine weeks together,

13
00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,120
Speaker 3: you kind of saw that happening. There was a lot

14
00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,200
Speaker 3: of and this is just specifically the offensive line play.

15
00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,240
Speaker 3: There were a lot of stunts that weren't passed off.

16
00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,440
Speaker 3: There were a ton of pressures off a simple things

17
00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,800
Speaker 3: that you could have communicated a little bit better. But

18
00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,440
Speaker 3: that's going to be part of it though, right Like

19
00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,640
Speaker 3: you brought all these guys back at once, no Boom,

20
00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,559
Speaker 3: Ivola Jackson, but they haven't played together, and so that

21
00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,920
Speaker 3: that there's a thing. You know, if one day I

22
00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,679
Speaker 3: have to work without JB. I'm going to struggle because

23
00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,679
Speaker 3: I know who he is and how he pauses and

24
00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,520
Speaker 3: certain things where I can jump in. Then you have

25
00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,200
Speaker 3: to learn each other, if that makes sense, and I

26
00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,400
Speaker 3: just feel like they haven't had that chance to really

27
00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:31,119
Speaker 3: get to learn.

28
00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,960
Speaker 1: I just like that he's jumping straight to the I

29
00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,040
Speaker 1: was going, how are you feeling? And we went straight

30
00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,200
Speaker 1: We like, how was your flight this morning?

31
00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,800
Speaker 2: And eything going on in life? Now let's talk offensive line.

32
00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,840
Speaker 3: Man. I feel like you just have to go right

33
00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,440
Speaker 3: in and say, what's the elf in the room.

34
00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,320
Speaker 2: I'll come back to the offensive line in a second.

35
00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,720
Speaker 2: There's a lot to dig into there, but I think

36
00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,640
Speaker 2: my high level thought is the Rams picked a bad

37
00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,640
Speaker 2: night to have a bad night. And in this league

38
00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,480
Speaker 2: it matters who you play and more when you play them,

39
00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,720
Speaker 2: and they got Miami at the wrong time. And I

40
00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,440
Speaker 2: know that to be true because not only did Obj

41
00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,800
Speaker 2: catch that third down and six to basically clinch the game,

42
00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,600
Speaker 2: but he did it at about the same time that

43
00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,200
Speaker 2: Bitcoin hit an all time high. So what's that tell you?

44
00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's winning, He's living right in many ways.

45
00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was tough to see him on the opposite

46
00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,000
Speaker 1: side along with Jalen Ramsey I was going, oh, that

47
00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,079
Speaker 1: hurts a little bit because he was nasty goal against

48
00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:27,440
Speaker 1: as well.

49
00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,680
Speaker 2: But in all seriousness, the Dolphins are good. That was

50
00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,880
Speaker 2: the best two and six roster I think I've ever

51
00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,600
Speaker 2: seen on an opposing sideline. They're playing better than their numbers.

52
00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,840
Speaker 2: Kalaias Campbell is playing like a top five defensive lineman

53
00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,880
Speaker 2: right now. Getting Sealer back was just bad luck for

54
00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,800
Speaker 2: the Rams because he was a force. So I think

55
00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,840
Speaker 2: what's easy to say is that the Rams should have

56
00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,360
Speaker 2: just left well Enough alone, stuck with the status quote

57
00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,959
Speaker 2: because it was working. But what I don't necessarily believe

58
00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,840
Speaker 2: to be true is that Bo Limmer and Justin Deeditch,

59
00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,520
Speaker 2: a Day three rookie and a college free agent, would

60
00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,880
Speaker 2: have stopped the Miami Dolphins on Monday night. That's an

61
00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,960
Speaker 2: easy argument to make. It's tough to prove. Maybe they

62
00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,760
Speaker 2: would have, maybe the results would have been even worse.

63
00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what you said best was, you know,

64
00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,360
Speaker 3: the Dolphins are two and six because they had been

65
00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,360
Speaker 3: banged up. I mean they're still not healthy. They don't

66
00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,280
Speaker 3: have Chubb, they lost their other first round Jalen Phillips

67
00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,040
Speaker 3: outside linebacker. They had Siler out, you had or seeler out.

68
00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,200
Speaker 3: You had two out for a while, right, So they

69
00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,120
Speaker 3: have a roster that can compete and win in the AFC.

70
00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,799
Speaker 3: We just just so happened that they got healthy for

71
00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,640
Speaker 3: Monday night. This is how it goes, right.

72
00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,080
Speaker 2: They were two and six for the same reason the

73
00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:37,920
Speaker 2: Rams were one and four.

74
00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So you guys have already started in on

75
00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line conversation and some of the words that

76
00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,320
Speaker 1: have been tossed around this week cohesion, inconsistent, and that's

77
00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,640
Speaker 1: in regards to the offense in general, though, But I

78
00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,640
Speaker 1: feel like we would be remiss to not actually dissect

79
00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,240
Speaker 1: some of these situations, and especially considering the offensive line.

80
00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,080
Speaker 1: Was the offensive struggles? Was it so the offensive line?

81
00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,240
Speaker 1: Were there other aspects that you guys were looking to

82
00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,600
Speaker 1: How did this really play out? Because I think it

83
00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,080
Speaker 1: left a lot of people's head kind of or left

84
00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people scratching their head coming out of it.

85
00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the offensive line is the engine of

86
00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,159
Speaker 3: the offense, right, Like, no matter how good your quarterback

87
00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,360
Speaker 3: is or how great your old receivers are, you're running back.

88
00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,680
Speaker 3: If you can't block the guys up front, you're gonna

89
00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,360
Speaker 3: have trouble and I think that's what you saw on

90
00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,720
Speaker 3: on Monday was it was there's a ton of pressure.

91
00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,240
Speaker 3: Stafford didn't have time to get the ball down the

92
00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,600
Speaker 3: field to get to his progressions. On certain situations, one

93
00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,400
Speaker 3: guy would penetrate the offensive line and then like Kalays,

94
00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,440
Speaker 3: Campbell just be sitting there waiting like he was like, oh,

95
00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,160
Speaker 3: I'm not rushing. I decided not to rush all this

96
00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,040
Speaker 3: play because I know we're gonna get penetration.

97
00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,120
Speaker 2: The deflections were almost as harmful as the pass rushes,

98
00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,040
Speaker 2: were they not. Yeah, let me ask you something, because

99
00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,880
Speaker 2: I've read about and studied that the offensive line as

100
00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,080
Speaker 2: a position group is like a weakest link unit. That

101
00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,200
Speaker 2: you're only as good as your weakest link. And that

102
00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,920
Speaker 2: may not be true other places on the roster or

103
00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,440
Speaker 2: other sports, But has that been your experience, Like, Yeah,

104
00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,080
Speaker 2: you can have four guys do the right thing, one

105
00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,440
Speaker 2: guy bust and it looks really bad.

106
00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're you know, they have to work as

107
00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,760
Speaker 3: a as a chain, right, like they're moving together. You

108
00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,200
Speaker 3: have to move as one. When one doesn't step the

109
00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,320
Speaker 3: right way. If it's a run play, we're all going

110
00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,320
Speaker 3: left and one takes a bad step left or he

111
00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,159
Speaker 3: steps right, there comes a gaping hole. And so getting

112
00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,200
Speaker 3: those guys on the same page, on the in the

113
00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,800
Speaker 3: same book really and just understanding this is how it goes.

114
00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,160
Speaker 3: And it takes time. To be honest, it took me

115
00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,360
Speaker 3: when I played. It took me like three or four

116
00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,680
Speaker 3: weeks to kind of get used to how they blocked

117
00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,120
Speaker 3: and then them used to how I run right. Uh,

118
00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,880
Speaker 3: it gets them. It takes them time because it's five guys.

119
00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,280
Speaker 3: How do we protect right? Pass protection?

120
00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:44,880
Speaker 2: Right?

121
00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,080
Speaker 3: If there's a guy sliding out? What is your kickstep?

122
00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,440
Speaker 3: Is it two yards? That way is is vertical?

123
00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:50,040
Speaker 1: Like?

124
00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,560
Speaker 3: How are we moving? So I know where to place myself?

125
00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,560
Speaker 3: And so all those things it takes time. And again

126
00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,480
Speaker 3: one of my you know, the blessing in disguise that

127
00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,200
Speaker 3: I was talking about a couple of weeks ago, was

128
00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,240
Speaker 3: that you had these young guys get in and get

129
00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,919
Speaker 3: these reps. The problem with that blessing is the guys

130
00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,640
Speaker 3: that you wanted to play weren't getting those reps, right,

131
00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,600
Speaker 3: those guys, they weren't learning each other. And so how

132
00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,599
Speaker 3: do you go health over experience or health over guys

133
00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,840
Speaker 3: that have gotten those snaps? And I think that was

134
00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,080
Speaker 3: the question you asked like, would have been better with

135
00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,040
Speaker 3: bo Limmer And indeed it's played like I don't know.

136
00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:27,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you know, it's just hard when

137
00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,640
Speaker 3: you when you when you learn each other.

138
00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,520
Speaker 2: Here's the problem though, what you said is true. It

139
00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,640
Speaker 2: takes time. What do the Rams not have the luxury

140
00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,680
Speaker 2: of anymore time? Yeah, And so it was a reminder

141
00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,640
Speaker 2: that return to play is not necessarily return to performance.

142
00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,240
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna ask like, okay, so what do

143
00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,480
Speaker 2: you do going to New England? And we'll get to

144
00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,640
Speaker 2: that and due time. But what Sean said yesterday really

145
00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,839
Speaker 2: caught my year. And I'll just read the quote because

146
00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,520
Speaker 2: I felt the tension and what he said. You look

147
00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,480
Speaker 2: at it and you say, all right, well, we have

148
00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,440
Speaker 2: eight games remaining, but you also have a responsibility to say, well,

149
00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,880
Speaker 2: let's do what we think is best for the upcoming game.

150
00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,479
Speaker 2: My read on that is there's a tension between what's

151
00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,919
Speaker 2: the best bet for Sunday and I don't have those answers,

152
00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,520
Speaker 2: and what has the most upside for the rest of

153
00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,560
Speaker 2: the season. And because Sunday is a must win, it

154
00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,960
Speaker 2: has to be prioritized over everything else that you just said.

155
00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,120
Speaker 2: I think, right experience contracts, what might be the best

156
00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,440
Speaker 2: lineup in December, because if you aren't better immediately on Sunday,

157
00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,400
Speaker 2: there might not be a rest of the season.

158
00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think winning matters, right, and especially we're into

159
00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,000
Speaker 3: the part of the season where good teams separate themselves

160
00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,800
Speaker 3: from bad teams and great teams separates themselves from good teams.

161
00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,880
Speaker 3: Last year, the Rams became a really good team, borderline

162
00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,520
Speaker 3: great team as they made that run. And so if

163
00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,720
Speaker 3: you're the Rams, you know that this is a very

164
00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,720
Speaker 3: important time to start playing your best type of football

165
00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,640
Speaker 3: do so the question is, like you said, is it

166
00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,480
Speaker 3: do you go back to what you felt worked or

167
00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,600
Speaker 3: do you go you think will work going down the line,

168
00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,400
Speaker 3: And if Sunday is a must win game, then you

169
00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,840
Speaker 3: go with what works, what you believe in your heart

170
00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,360
Speaker 3: works right, what you know works. That's what I would do.

171
00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,840
Speaker 1: It's going to be a tough balancing act and a

172
00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,960
Speaker 1: question I'm glad I don't have to answer, but I'll

173
00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,000
Speaker 1: give you a few numbers because going into that game,

174
00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,480
Speaker 1: the Rams had only allowed one sack in the past

175
00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,000
Speaker 1: three and that was a stark difference. I mean, the

176
00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,760
Speaker 1: past protection really broke down for Stafford in this matchup,

177
00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,880
Speaker 1: it's going to have to be there, and there are

178
00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,720
Speaker 1: some questions because as we head into this next matchup,

179
00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,040
Speaker 1: there's also some struggles on the health front again to

180
00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,480
Speaker 1: the offensive line. So where do you kind of expect

181
00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,440
Speaker 1: that to be in terms of starting positions for these

182
00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,320
Speaker 1: guys Havenstein dealing with angle as well as Noteboom.

183
00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to not give up on Havenside's chances

184
00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,120
Speaker 2: for Week eleven just yet. It's only Thursday morning as

185
00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,079
Speaker 2: we sit here, and I hope that maybe there's a

186
00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,400
Speaker 2: ray of sunshine still to come, even though yesterday it

187
00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,000
Speaker 2: sounded more pessimistic than optimistic. So maybe that solves for

188
00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,199
Speaker 2: itself in terms of war. Mc clinton is going to

189
00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,560
Speaker 2: be that guy at right tackle anyway, But I don't

190
00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,160
Speaker 2: necessarily feel like that's the crux of the matter.

191
00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,880
Speaker 3: No, it's interior.

192
00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:09,560
Speaker 2: It's interior.

193
00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,480
Speaker 3: Okay, interiors your issue.

194
00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,880
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to pretend to know. You know,

195
00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,760
Speaker 2: Ryan Wendell's business is Cromer's business or McVeigh or Laffur's business.

196
00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,760
Speaker 3: Our job to make it to kind of go out

197
00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,920
Speaker 3: on a lemon and say, like this is what you've seen, right,

198
00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,040
Speaker 3: Like the issue is this, and and am I and

199
00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,679
Speaker 3: what I've what I saw, and what I believe the

200
00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,360
Speaker 3: issue to be is there's there's been a lot of

201
00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,880
Speaker 3: leakage between center and left guard. That was what it

202
00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,880
Speaker 3: was this weekend. Then there was leakage right tackle to

203
00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,920
Speaker 3: right guard right, So the the right, the center and

204
00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,839
Speaker 3: the right guard, we're fine. But it was the note

205
00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,480
Speaker 3: Boom getting picked on a couple of plays and then

206
00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,560
Speaker 3: Dotson not seeing it or Noteboom giving up the inside

207
00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,680
Speaker 3: and Dotson not being able to see it or communicate

208
00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,600
Speaker 3: it and then then being able to kind of slide

209
00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,120
Speaker 3: that way. And the Dolphins took advantage of that. They

210
00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,040
Speaker 3: just took advantage of whatever that issue might have been.

211
00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,320
Speaker 3: And so the think about the NFL that you always

212
00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,000
Speaker 3: hear is no one cares about your problems. You have

213
00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,120
Speaker 3: to fix these issues.

214
00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,079
Speaker 2: And that's where the weakest link question that I ask

215
00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,880
Speaker 2: you comes in is because when you have to be

216
00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,160
Speaker 2: good with five or six seven, including a running back

217
00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,800
Speaker 2: against a team like the Dolphins, if you're not, they're

218
00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,480
Speaker 2: gonna find that week we can exploit it.

219
00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,440
Speaker 3: And then this week going back, understand that the Patriot

220
00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:30,800
Speaker 3: are going to run the exact same thing. That the

221
00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,000
Speaker 3: dolphins ran. That's that's what happens in the leak. We

222
00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,840
Speaker 3: got to make sure you did you did you kind

223
00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,160
Speaker 3: of sure this up? Did you put that what's that

224
00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,000
Speaker 3: tape they have on the on the they have on

225
00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,439
Speaker 3: like the infomercials where the boat like you could put

226
00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,280
Speaker 3: the tape and ride the boat. Did you put that

227
00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,719
Speaker 3: on it? Or did you really like fix this thing

228
00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,599
Speaker 3: and is locked in, because we're going to test it

229
00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,360
Speaker 3: and make sure that your protection in your running game

230
00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,160
Speaker 3: is going the right way.

231
00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,320
Speaker 2: But this is the week to put that special table.

232
00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,320
Speaker 2: If you have some of that laying around. No leaks

233
00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,200
Speaker 2: this week, no matter what, no leaks, tape, bubblegum, whatever it.

234
00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,080
Speaker 3: Is, figure it out, because if it happens again this week,

235
00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,520
Speaker 3: then I think you're going to be Now, there's gonna

236
00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,760
Speaker 3: be a long road going down the end the season.

237
00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,240
Speaker 1: Well before I promise we will get to some bright

238
00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,880
Speaker 1: spots and we talk about the response that we hope

239
00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,000
Speaker 1: to see against the Patriots, we do have to talk

240
00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,920
Speaker 1: about a little bit of red zone struggles. Los Angeles

241
00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,959
Speaker 1: rams were not able to find the end zone and

242
00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,240
Speaker 1: it really was difficult. And I'll give you a little

243
00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,480
Speaker 1: reference because as I'm sitting on the sidelines listening to

244
00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,800
Speaker 1: you guys call the game, I'm going, man, just where

245
00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,240
Speaker 1: is the golden snitch? I felt like we were so close.

246
00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,720
Speaker 1: We kept finding ways to at least put the ball

247
00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,040
Speaker 1: through the uprights, but we just could not find a

248
00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,360
Speaker 1: way to get into the end zone.

249
00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:37,240
Speaker 3: It was zero for three.

250
00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,520
Speaker 1: How do they fix some of these red zone qualms?

251
00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,280
Speaker 2: JB Can I actually like throw a wrench in the proceeding,

252
00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,520
Speaker 2: because that's a totally valid question, and I'm really curious

253
00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,880
Speaker 2: to see what MJD has to say about red zone.

254
00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,400
Speaker 2: But I'm actually of the belief that the red zone

255
00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,520
Speaker 2: woes are a symptom, not an illness. Like I think

256
00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,839
Speaker 2: they are a result of underlying issues about the often

257
00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,959
Speaker 2: and I think what they're actually doing is masking a

258
00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,440
Speaker 2: larger problem, which is that the Rams cannot score from

259
00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,959
Speaker 2: outside the red zone, that they're not explosive enough. Oh

260
00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,920
Speaker 2: La has four explosive touchdowns this season, but not really

261
00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,199
Speaker 2: because two of them are on defense. The only offensive

262
00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,400
Speaker 2: touchdowns Rams have scored this season outside that twenty yard

263
00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,280
Speaker 2: line area that gobal to Marcus against the Vikings and

264
00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,560
Speaker 2: the walk off to the Marcus in Seattle.

265
00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:30,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

266
00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,720
Speaker 2: That feels like a much larger problem to overcome maybe

267
00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,400
Speaker 2: than the inside the twenty stuff.

268
00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,440
Speaker 3: I agree. I think we were kind of talking before

269
00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,760
Speaker 3: the show about you know, I listened to like all

270
00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,319
Speaker 3: these different talking heads and how you just want to

271
00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,559
Speaker 3: make sure that your eyes and your brain is working

272
00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:55,080
Speaker 3: and somewhat similar to others. But like Danie Rolowski said

273
00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,319
Speaker 3: this about the Chicago Bears, and he said, the problem

274
00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,520
Speaker 3: with the Chicago Bears they're not taking enough shot down

275
00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,480
Speaker 3: the field. And what happens is when you don't take

276
00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,400
Speaker 3: enough shots down the field, you don't even have to

277
00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,880
Speaker 3: like convert them, just throw it down because you want

278
00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,760
Speaker 3: to back off the coverage to open up everything else.

279
00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,360
Speaker 3: The Rams haven't had that ability, and so the coverage

280
00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,439
Speaker 3: keeps getting tighter and tighter and tighter, and so that

281
00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,280
Speaker 3: makes the windows that Stafford has to throw in smaller,

282
00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,200
Speaker 3: that makes the margin for error smaller, and so now

283
00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,720
Speaker 3: you're dinking and dunking down the field, or you're getting

284
00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,679
Speaker 3: explosive plays, whether they're off of screen passes or poking

285
00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,959
Speaker 3: the cool brakes and tackle on an over route or

286
00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,040
Speaker 3: you know, and those are explosive plays. But where's the

287
00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,960
Speaker 3: shot down the field that we used to see? Right?

288
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,079
Speaker 3: We talked about Robert Woods and Brandon Cooks earlier about

289
00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,079
Speaker 3: how those guys. You see those guys getting down the

290
00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,400
Speaker 3: field again, it reminds me of the Houston, the Houston

291
00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,640
Speaker 3: game from the ninety five yard or ninety seven yard

292
00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,640
Speaker 3: that they threw to Robert Woods, like taking those shots

293
00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,240
Speaker 3: down the field. And I don't know if it's age.

294
00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, if it's a lack of speed with

295
00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,120
Speaker 3: your starting guys, if it's protection or protection don't, I don't,

296
00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,679
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, right, but that a

297
00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,360
Speaker 3: bill has to happen because I remember when Stafford first

298
00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,120
Speaker 3: got here against the Bears in so far, he threw

299
00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,040
Speaker 3: a post to Cooper Cup probably like fifty sixty yards

300
00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,160
Speaker 3: down the field and he was by hisself, And but

301
00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,560
Speaker 3: what would that do to the Chicago Bears? It forced

302
00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,360
Speaker 3: them the backup? Then they came back and threw another

303
00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,599
Speaker 3: pass to Van Jefferson down the field. And what that

304
00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:19,880
Speaker 3: make up? Do you have to back up?

305
00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:20,000
Speaker 1: Now?

306
00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,280
Speaker 3: I can just do all this stuff I want to

307
00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,000
Speaker 3: do inside, and it allows you to really put stress

308
00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,720
Speaker 3: on the defense where I don't see the rams offense

309
00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,960
Speaker 3: stretching the defense vertically as much as they used to.

310
00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the red zone in finishing drives is the problem,

311
00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,040
Speaker 2: and I'm not denying that it is, the quickest solution

312
00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,400
Speaker 2: is well, score before you hit the twenty.

313
00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's not get there.

314
00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:38,720
Speaker 2: Okay, So now let me turn it over to you,

315
00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,760
Speaker 2: because I can't design a red zone play to save

316
00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,040
Speaker 2: my life. If you were brought in as an offensive

317
00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,120
Speaker 2: consultant this week, Yeah, what are some of your recommendations?

318
00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,760
Speaker 3: Simple, very simple. I think speed outs to Cooper Cup,

319
00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,440
Speaker 3: option rouse to Cooper Cupp are huge, big body slants

320
00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,880
Speaker 3: to pookin the cool When you get into the tight

321
00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,960
Speaker 3: red zone, I think Kobe Parkinson at tight end throwing

322
00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,840
Speaker 3: a fade to him. Wouild just help out. It just

323
00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,960
Speaker 3: a tax to defense or the taxi defense in different ways.

324
00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,800
Speaker 3: And I get to explain, to explain kind of the

325
00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,920
Speaker 3: red zone thought process of an offensive coordinator. You have

326
00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,520
Speaker 3: six areas that you want to hit. You have the

327
00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,960
Speaker 3: front of the pylon right, the front pilons, you have

328
00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,680
Speaker 3: the back pylons, and then you have the goal the

329
00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,360
Speaker 3: field goal post right, that's the area they throw a

330
00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,840
Speaker 3: high ball going across. I think we've seen a couple

331
00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,920
Speaker 3: of those passes caught. I think DeMarcus Robinson had one.

332
00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,360
Speaker 3: A couple guys have made those throws. Those are the

333
00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,280
Speaker 3: six areas that you want to hit in the red zone.

334
00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,480
Speaker 3: It's howard. How do you layer those areas?

335
00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:38,640
Speaker 2: Though?

336
00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,720
Speaker 3: Do you use play action pass to get a linebacker

337
00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,600
Speaker 3: to step up? Do you get a guy crossing to

338
00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,120
Speaker 3: come across? If you remember Minnesota, they ran to the

339
00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,480
Speaker 3: front left pylon like every time they got the red

340
00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,760
Speaker 3: zone early in that game, because that's what they were doing.

341
00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,320
Speaker 3: They were running guys around the back this way, and

342
00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,480
Speaker 3: they'd have a guy coming from right to left this

343
00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:54,840
Speaker 3: way and a guy going from left to right over

344
00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,600
Speaker 3: the back, and it just messages with your coverage. I

345
00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,840
Speaker 3: don't really see as much of that, And so I

346
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,400
Speaker 3: think that because of the protection possibly and you have

347
00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,400
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford and you could do so many complex things

348
00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,480
Speaker 3: that maybe you just simplify it, right, And maybe it's just, hey,

349
00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,520
Speaker 3: if we get Kobe Parkson out wide on a shorter

350
00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:13,600
Speaker 3: corner through the faith.

351
00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,240
Speaker 1: I don't know you're talking about simplifying. And I just

352
00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,240
Speaker 1: think about the streak that Kyra and Williams had finding

353
00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,040
Speaker 1: the end zone to start the season as well.

354
00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,400
Speaker 2: Just keep giving it to them over and over and over.

355
00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,000
Speaker 1: And they found him on a receiving What was that

356
00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,640
Speaker 1: two games? Agom, same thing they tried.

357
00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,240
Speaker 3: I think they tried it against the Dolphin. They tried

358
00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,680
Speaker 3: to run against a Dolphins. Yeah, but it wasn't So I.

359
00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,640
Speaker 2: Don't know if this is running against the grain to

360
00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,480
Speaker 2: what you just said, but kind I just offered anyways,

361
00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,520
Speaker 2: trying to be like solution oriented here. Again, shoot this

362
00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,800
Speaker 2: down if it doesn't make sense, But I was trying

363
00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,640
Speaker 2: to draw inspiration from what some other recent teams have

364
00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,480
Speaker 2: done against the Rams in the red zone. And you

365
00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,720
Speaker 2: mentioned what the Vikings did. How about the names that

366
00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,200
Speaker 2: have scored red zone touchdowns against the Rams recently, Malik Washington,

367
00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,040
Speaker 2: Trent Sherfield, Josh Oliver. I don't think those are on

368
00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,640
Speaker 2: many fantasy football teams. So is it like find a

369
00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,600
Speaker 2: new target, try something different, running gadget play like the

370
00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,879
Speaker 2: Vikings and Dolphins have done against the Rams. Is it

371
00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,680
Speaker 2: use your stars as decoys and go somewhere else or

372
00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:11,720
Speaker 2: is that just not helpful? No?

373
00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,280
Speaker 3: I think it is. You. I mean, you want to

374
00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,560
Speaker 3: You're willing to try anything at this point, right, And

375
00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,000
Speaker 3: you know, talking to Sean after the game, you could

376
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,320
Speaker 3: tell he's like his brain was racking, And I get it.

377
00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,680
Speaker 3: I look, I've been there, my little kids. We lost

378
00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,240
Speaker 3: on Saturday. I was devastating.

379
00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's when he's at his best. Thing.

380
00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it forces you to kind of go back and

381
00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,120
Speaker 3: self scout and say, what can I have done better?

382
00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,320
Speaker 3: What can we do? How can I get my guys

383
00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,320
Speaker 3: in a better position? What where did I mess up

384
00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,960
Speaker 3: to not put them in position to be successful?

385
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:40,119
Speaker 1: Right?

386
00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,159
Speaker 3: And I think that's when you get in the red

387
00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,119
Speaker 3: zone sometimes, And it kind of goes back to Detroit

388
00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,919
Speaker 3: last year. It was like ever since Detroit slowed them down,

389
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,560
Speaker 3: it was like they couldn't necessarily get the red zone

390
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,800
Speaker 3: going again like it used to be.

391
00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,360
Speaker 1: I want to think back because I actually went back

392
00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,760
Speaker 1: and watched the broadcast and I saw Sean's halftime interview

393
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,480
Speaker 1: and talked about just some self inflicted wounds. And I

394
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,280
Speaker 1: think there are two specific moments for me looking back

395
00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,159
Speaker 1: to this matchup with the Dolphins that I felt like

396
00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,960
Speaker 1: the tone could have been set, and each time it

397
00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,320
Speaker 1: went the direction of Miami. And it's the first drive

398
00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,920
Speaker 1: for Miami because you think about what they were able

399
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,200
Speaker 1: to do. They got them in second and fifteen, then

400
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,840
Speaker 1: that turns into third and thirteen, two escapes and then

401
00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,160
Speaker 1: finds waddle for thirty three yards that next play touchdown.

402
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,200
Speaker 1: Where's the second point of adjustments halftime? Right, it's the

403
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,840
Speaker 1: second time you can make a massive shift in momentum.

404
00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,560
Speaker 1: And I think about what the Rams were able to

405
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,560
Speaker 1: do coming back out. They tried to establish the run.

406
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,920
Speaker 1: Things were looking great, and then next thing you know,

407
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you have the highest snap, things

408
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,960
Speaker 1: get rough, CARDI kick, you have a false start, misses

409
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,360
Speaker 1: the fifty seven yarder, so instead of ten nine, it's

410
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,920
Speaker 1: now ten to six, and a complete shift in momentum

411
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,720
Speaker 1: when you have control, just in terms of the environment

412
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,080
Speaker 1: heading into those two situations, I think if the Rams

413
00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,480
Speaker 1: kind of turn both of those the opposite direction, we

414
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,000
Speaker 1: would be sitting and having a very different conversation at

415
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:03,600
Speaker 1: this juncture.

416
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,920
Speaker 2: That's the agony of being your own worst enemy. Is

417
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,200
Speaker 2: the good news is it's within your control. The bad

418
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,639
Speaker 2: news is you had it under control.

419
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 3: It's in your control.

420
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 2: And I think about the two losses that right now

421
00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,400
Speaker 2: I think are real raw nerves for Rams fans. They're

422
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,320
Speaker 2: both at SOFI Stadium, Packers and Dolphins. Let's not lose

423
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 2: sight of the fact that the Rams outplayed both of

424
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 2: those teams. They didn't win, but the outplayed them more

425
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,920
Speaker 2: first downs, more yards, more yards per play. But a

426
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,639
Speaker 2: Stafford pick and a Chiren fumble and plus territory to

427
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 2: add to what you just laid out there, Cameron, and

428
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,880
Speaker 2: it goes against you. And now your margin for air

429
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,320
Speaker 2: is shrinking. For a team that already didn't have a

430
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,959
Speaker 2: big margin for air, now it's probably down to its

431
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 2: last breath.

432
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:44,119
Speaker 1: You know.

433
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 3: I will say this, I love the scheme of the

434
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,680
Speaker 3: defense going into the Dolphins game. Right they were showing

435
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,920
Speaker 3: different looks and running cover two, which was awesome. But

436
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 3: when that's not who you are, that's not what you

437
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 3: do all the time, you're going to have mistakes. The

438
00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 3: play where you talked about where two a tungue, about

439
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,719
Speaker 3: those kind of slow up and find Jaylen Waddle, they

440
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 3: were in cover too, and Tyreek was running streaking down

441
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 3: the field. He was covered by I forget what safety

442
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 3: it was. One of the safety's had him, but so

443
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 3: did Kobe Durant, who was supposed to be covering Dayalen

444
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 3: Wallow and yeah, Daylan wall on the other side. So

445
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 3: it was like, I see Tyrek streaking, I want to

446
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 3: cover him, but my guy's over here. And so when

447
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 3: you kind of mix up and you switch your your

448
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 3: scheme week to week, you'll have those kind of snaf foos.

449
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 3: Now that's where we talked about the second half adjustments.

450
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 3: The Rams did a great job. They were coming down,

451
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 3: running downhill, they were mixing things up, they were getting

452
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 3: after it, and then it was just like an Aaron

453
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 3: snap right. And again that's just from not playing when

454
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 3: you have a guy right in front of it. And

455
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 3: I've talked to a lot of centers about it. When

456
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 3: you have a guy in front of you or there's

457
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 3: a guy to your left, you have to reach them.

458
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 3: Like the last thing you're worried about is snapping this

459
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 3: ball back, like to get to the quarterback safely. Like

460
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 3: you're like, I got to snap and step I gotta

461
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 3: snap and do this. I gotta get there. And that's

462
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 3: when you have a lot of Aaron and so again

463
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 3: I think that's just not having a lot of reps

464
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 3: at that throughout the season that kind of get you there.

465
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: Well, we are at the halfway point. So to my

466
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 1: own point, we're going to actually change this toat a

467
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 1: little bit here and shift because you mentioned the defense

468
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: for the Los Angeles Rams, and I think that was

469
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 1: a bright spot coming out, especially when you consider going

470
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter. They held them to what seventeen points,

471
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: like they put themselves in a great position defensively. What

472
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: have you seen from them in the last four or

473
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: so games, because it feels like things are not just

474
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: trending the right direction, but they are currently stacking performances.

475
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,479
Speaker 2: I think it's a real testament to Chris Shulin company.

476
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: And I know that folks thought I was being a

477
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: little bit negative on the show last week because I

478
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: was wary of that Seattle win. I didn't love the

479
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 2: fact that there were some talking heads out there suddenly

480
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: picking the Rams to win the West. I was not

481
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: trying to be a wet blanket. I was trying to

482
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: be sober. I was trying to be honest, and what

483
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 2: we flagged last week as concerning definitely came to bear

484
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 2: on Monday night. But I will own this. I was

485
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: wrong about the fact that I didn't think the Dolphins

486
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 2: would let the Rams tee off on Tua and they did.

487
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: They wreck shop again, and I think Monday Night showed

488
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 2: they're more than just a pass rush, tip, drill, takeaway unit.

489
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: Like Jared Verse has become appointment television in the National

490
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: Football League. He gives you that Aaron Donald like anticipation

491
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: of what might he do this week?

492
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it's funny because it's not just

493
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 3: him either. Like Kobe Turner was lights out in this game,

494
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 3: Bobby Brown was amazing in the running game. Like it's

495
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: the energy that he brings that reminds me of Aaron

496
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: that kind of permeates through that offensive that defensive line, right,

497
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 3: and now it's starting to get to the linebackers into

498
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 3: the safeties and you're seeing guys play with that confidence

499
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: and that swagger. I mean, just the the fact that

500
00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 3: he ran through uh Tron Armstead, hit hit to a

501
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 3: and then recovered the fumble after all that, and to

502
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: be honest, he didn't recover the fumble, he took it

503
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: from the old lineman who had it and came out

504
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 3: with it. Like that type of effort and energy and scrappiness.

505
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: That's what you see from this team right in both

506
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: the running game and the passing game. Rose Boom finds

507
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 3: a play and you see everyone turn around and go

508
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 3: get blocked, and how excited they were to go get blocks.

509
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just there were so many different

510
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 3: things that happened in that game. I mean, Kobe Turner,

511
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: what made me so excited about what they're doing to

512
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: see him making tackles down the field on receiver screens. Right,

513
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 3: Normally d lineman don't make those type of plays. But

514
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: that energy that he was bringing to go and get that,

515
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 3: it just shows how like, that's that's who they are,

516
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: that's what they've become.

517
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said rose Boom there too, because one

518
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: of my main takeaways from that game is good on

519
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: the linebackers. I hope that's a confidence builder for those

520
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: off ball linebackers because rose Boom could have should have

521
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: had two picks. And if he and Omar Space can

522
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: do that against that Dolphins roster, then that's going to

523
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: play again against New England and Philadelphia and New Orleans beyond. Like,

524
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: I think that was a real step forward. We talked

525
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: about how the front has kind of been insulating and

526
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: elevating the next two levels of the defense. I think

527
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: the linebackers are coming along too.

528
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: There are so many jumping off points from some of

529
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: the topics you guys discussing, and I think especially your

530
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: conversation with Less this week, and the word he used

531
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: is a contagious chemistry in regards to that defense and

532
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: especially Jared Verse, and I think there is something to that,

533
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: like building alongside one another. And also to your point

534
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: on Kobe Turner, he had a season high grade at

535
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: ninety point eight. Turner, Young, and Verse all with a

536
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: sack in this matchup versus the Dolphins, and I mean

537
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: versus numbers. They just continue to climb. He's now leading

538
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: the NFL in terms of pressure percentage at nineteen point seven.

539
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: So he's not just good for a rookie anymore. He's

540
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: good amongst the rest of the herd.

541
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's closer to Defensive Player of

542
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 2: the Year than any other rookie is to NFL Rookie

543
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 2: of the Year on defense.

544
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this, the Byron Young sack right that

545
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: he got was more of a cleanup, right because Jared

546
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: Verst came in and then turned they all like running

547
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 3: after him, and then like he's running around and then

548
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 3: here comes Byron Young getting off a block and then

549
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: accelerating like they they can play off each other well,

550
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: which is funny because you normally don't see that with

551
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: a young group. Young groups don't know how to play

552
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: off each other. They just kind of play and then

553
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 3: you just fall in and stuff. But these guys are

554
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: some one play maybe Byron Young with a pressure and

555
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 3: then verse comes in or fist comes in or turner

556
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 3: or like the way Bobby Brown Man handled them dudes

557
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: in the running game, like that's what it should have been.

558
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: That's what it should be all the time. He was

559
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: just throwing guys all around. When you have a five

560
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 3: guys that can play like that, Like we talked about

561
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 3: the offensive line being the weakest link, your defensive line

562
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 3: can be a strength. It could be something that can

563
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: really take your defense to the next level.

564
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: I started this week by saying that my Monday night

565
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: takeaway is that the defense continues to build the foundation

566
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: and raise the floor for this year's team. That I

567
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: think even after a loss, it's higher for me because

568
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: of what the defense showed me against the Dolphins. We

569
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: just don't know where the offense is capable of building

570
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: that ceiling yet, and it's time to find out because

571
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: time is not running short.

572
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: Before we head on to just a little bit of

573
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: a mid season reset. I also want to give you

574
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 1: your flowers because you might have the best line. Oh,

575
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: come on now, one of the best lines.

576
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: It's weird to do this. I don't even know what

577
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: she's saying.

578
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: You had me dying on the sidelines, and I'm sure

579
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: you did as well. Talking about Christian Roseman, Yes, he

580
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: came up with the interception, but on that near second

581
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: one follicles on fire JV Long and he's got let

582
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: us coming out the back of his helmet. I'm sitting there,

583
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, how did you come up with that?

584
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: That was too good?

585
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: When you're green with envy, it's not fair that she

586
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: has us in her ears during the game, and our

587
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: ears have noise canceling headphones that block her out.

588
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

589
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: That's probably a good thing for you guys.

590
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: No, not at all, because we don't get to come

591
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: in here and embarrass her on Thursdays. Well, that was

592
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 2: an amazing line.

593
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: I was done.

594
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: I will say sometimes when you go on the big

595
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: screen Jbill talking to him, and I'll kind of be

596
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: looking trying to read your lips. And then I'm like, oh,

597
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 3: let me go back over here.

598
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: You know what's really funny. The folks in here behind

599
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: the cameras have something for you, maybe not this episode,

600
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: but on a future episode. There's a screen grab of

601
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: the two of us. I think it was in Seattle,

602
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: and I'm doing my normal thing, going ballistic, and you

603
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: are as stoic as ever, Like I was just as

604
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: chill as you can be.

605
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: It was cold, and guess what, it's going to be

606
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: cold again this week.

607
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: The audience compare and contrast the emotional roller coaster that

608
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: I go through on Sundays.

609
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: I did, and then just the steady the weather, the weather.

610
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: If it's if it's a great day, I'll go with you.

611
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: But if it's one of those cold days, and just.

612
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: Be roller right now and show you sorry for that sidebark.

613
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: I'm so excited.

614
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it all right, guys, a

615
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: little bit of a mid season reset. As we look

616
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: to the midway point, Los Angeles Rams are kind of

617
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: of looking to their history and hoping they can replicate

618
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: it from last year to this year. They won seven

619
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: of the eight after Week ten last season. I'm looking

620
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: through our remaining schedule. Guys, we got eight left. How

621
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: many do we need? We have four of the next

622
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: six on the road, two trips east, one trip south.

623
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: This is a a tough remaining schedule.

624
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would say relative to last year, right now,

625
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: they're closer to the division lead, they're closer to a

626
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: playoff spot with a better record, And I would argue

627
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: with a healthier, deeper, more proven roster, like the Rams

628
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: roster is better now than it was when they left

629
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: for Detroit, when they broke camp. I think, And the

630
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: only reason I stopped saying stopped short of saying, like,

631
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: it's definitely better than last year is because there's a

632
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: first bout Hall of Famer who's missing. But like, statistically, defensively,

633
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: they're better than last year's group shoots special teams. I mean,

634
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: it's not even close. My goodness, it's not even close.

635
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: And I had to remind myself that win. Was it

636
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: that last year's group locked in and really found their

637
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: true offensive identity? Do you remember Week twelve at Arizona?

638
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: That's when it happened. So we're not even there yet.

639
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: Last year's group had one thirty point performance before that

640
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: trip to the desert.

641
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: Last year.

642
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: So my takeaway I guess, if I'm a hope merchant,

643
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: is it's not too late. So long as you win

644
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 2: this Sunday.

645
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think again. You know, you played a playoff

646
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: caliber team in Miami, and to be honest, like you said,

647
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: you you you really man handled that game. You just

648
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: gave it away. I felt like there are opportunities there

649
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: that you could have taken advantage of that you didn't,

650
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: and that I don't want to call it a moral victory,

651
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: but again learning understanding who you are, Like, Okay, we

652
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: can go out here and play. It's not like Miami

653
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: came in here and just dominated this game.

654
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: No.

655
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: Defensively, you did your part offensively, had you had some

656
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: plays that you left out there? You have some we

657
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: call it self inflicted wounds going down this stretch. You're

658
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: going to play some playoff teams Philly.

659
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: Right, Buffalo, San Francis.

660
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: San Francisco, all right, so you you you have a

661
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: chance to go in and really boost your confidence if

662
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: you can come out out of this game here with

663
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: the victory on the road. Like, let's be honest, is

664
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: New England's playing really good football right now and it's

665
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: not what I mean by good football is I know

666
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: it's not scoring thirty points, but if you don't play

667
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: your best football, they'll beat you. Let's remember they took Seattle,

668
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: went to overtime with them early in the game with

669
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: job Jacobe Prissett there. They went to Chicago and manhandled

670
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: the Bears like they're They're just a team that if

671
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: you allow them to hang around it you don't play

672
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: your best football, it could get ugly in Boston or

673
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 3: in Foxboro wherever they are.

674
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, no, No, I was just gonna say,

675
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: we're going to look to the NFC West, but if

676
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: you got a follow up from there.

677
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: One more thing on last year, because the big difference

678
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: that I see, the one thing that's not in the

679
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: Rams favor right now is I remember to stinkly early

680
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: on last season, hold the phone. Matthew Stafford's playing like

681
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: an MVP, and nobody's talking about right, and the results

682
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: just hadn't quite caught up to his performance. That's not

683
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: the case right now. Let's just call it what it

684
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: is like. That's not where we are in this year.

685
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: There's been some mean regression, and especially when it comes

686
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: to his production when he's under pressure and so I

687
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: think the big question is whether or not what we

688
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: believe is going to be the case is proven, which

689
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: is that his best reps, his best ball is still

690
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: to come in the second half of the season. Because

691
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: I get at the microscope right now like that lens

692
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: does not look very good. But trust me when I say,

693
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: if you zoom out a little bit and you get

694
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: one more win this weekend and you look at the telescope,

695
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: we're going to be sitting in these same chairs next

696
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: week saying the Rams have won four of their last

697
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: five games. And there are not many teams in the

698
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: league that can say that. And that's good work in

699
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: this sport, no matter which team you are or what

700
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: schedule you're playing.

701
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: No, you're exactly right. I'll end it with this, November

702
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: and December football are where you make your biggest strides

703
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: because again, if you can win two or three four

704
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: in November, what it was a couple of years ago

705
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: the Rams won none in November.

706
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 2: Right, No win November to fet of December, and that's

707
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: what that's.

708
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: What happens like every now and then, like you get

709
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: these two months, you can make up a ton of

710
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: ground on everything that's went on throughout the season, So

711
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: if you can play your best now, it's definitely needed.

712
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we have to take a little bit

713
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: of a peek into the NFC West. I know we've

714
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: been talking about potentials in playoffs, but are the forty

715
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: nine ers still the team to be from your perspective?

716
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: Cardinals going into a bye week right now, but forty

717
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: nine Ers are now hosting the Seahawks on Sunday, coming

718
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: off too straight.

719
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: What do you think?

720
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: I think they're the team to be. I think you

721
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: get I think you get Christian McCaffrey back, and they're

722
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: they're dangerous. I mean, they did their wins are Cowboys

723
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: and Bucks over the last two weeks. So you know.

724
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: You want to start with Arizona.

725
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: I'm terrified Airs because why they're physical. That's the one

726
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 3: thing that Arizona has never been. When the Cliff Kingsburgers there,

727
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: it was all like high flying four wise, three wise,

728
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: we're gonna do. They'll come out in thirteen person, I

729
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: remember when you brought that up. And they'll run James

730
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: Connor and they'll play physical football. And then when they

731
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: get down to the red zone, Kyler's legs coming to

732
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: play and Marvin Harrison to the like. It just it's

733
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: just there's when you have to stop the run in

734
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: Arizona and he can pull the ball and run down

735
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: the He's still probably the fastest guy on the football

736
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: field and run like. I'd love to see him in

737
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson Race because that would be a really good

738
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: race for me, because I think those probably are and

739
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: then Tyreek coun throw Tyrek in there too. Those are

740
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: probably the three fastest guys that we you know, we

741
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: don't ever talk about how fast Kyler is, but what

742
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: they did to the New York Jets and what they've

743
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: done to everyone that's coming into Arizona has been insane.

744
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: I think their pole position is real. It has to

745
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: be acknowledged now because they have six wins, they're idle,

746
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: they're open, and they also have games against the Patriots

747
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: and Panthers still to come, plus two against the Seahawks,

748
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: so they may not have to beat the Rams or

749
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: the Niners to win this division. That's what's scary too.

750
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: I think, however, I will say this, their next three

751
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 2: games will tell us everything we need to know about

752
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: Arizona at Seattle at Minnesota home to Seattle, like Kyler

753
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: and the Cardinals. They've put together some good front Nines,

754
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: but winning that green jacket something different.

755
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: It is.

756
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: They do play well in the beginning, for sure, but

757
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: them being able to come out in thirteen person will

758
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 3: be physical tells me that they can play later in

759
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: the year.

760
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: And to your point about the Niners, I don't think

761
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: you're wrong. I probably tend to agree with you, but

762
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to withhold judgment until their road trips to

763
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: Green Bay and Buffalo the next couple of weekends. And also,

764
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 2: don't forget San Francisco's playing a record number of teams

765
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: coming off their buys, and another reminder of that is

766
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: this weekend against Seattle. Paradoxically, the Rams better hope they

767
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: didn't break Seattle, right.

768
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: DK doesn't think so well, Go DK right, he wasn't

769
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: there right, So hopefully he goes out of the.

770
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: Rams rooting interests. We need them, That's all I'm saying.

771
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: I gotcha.

772
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: The Seahawks have lost too straight to your point, so

773
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: let's see if they can rebound.

774
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: Uh.

775
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: I think guys, it's time for us to look ahead

776
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: to our next opponent. You've already broken it down just

777
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: a bit MJD. But the Patriots, and this is the

778
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: first time the Los Angeles Rams are heading back that

779
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: direction to New England since twoenty sixteen. You better have

780
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: your warm weather gear ready to go.

781
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: I already looked at it. It's like forty two.

782
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: It's like a lower forty better than that.

783
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: Forty two in Boston is like it's like twenty here.

784
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: I agree with what you said, though, right opponent, right

785
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 2: time for the Rams, because I think there's just enough resistance.

786
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: I know I gave you like a shock face when

787
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: you said they're playing cabal, but there's just enough resistance

788
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: at some key areas to test the Rams progress on

789
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: a short week, but hopefully not enough like firepower to

790
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: beat you, so long as you don't beat.

791
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: Yourself, right, I agree. I think each week is a

792
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: different challenge, right, and we got you just got put

793
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 3: in a situation where this defensive line is going to

794
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: challenge your offensive line, very similar to what the Miami

795
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: Dolphins did. So you get a repeat test.

796
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: Right.

797
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: It's kind of like school when you have a test

798
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: and the teacher goes here, I want you to do

799
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: it over again and take it back, like, well, you

800
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: better hope you've learned from those those mistakes so that

801
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: you can go And I think that's what this week is.

802
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: Can you really whatever line you put out there or

803
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 3: whatever goes you put out there, can they protect your quarterback?

804
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: Can you run the football? Because that's what the New

805
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: England Pagers do. They stop the run and they get

806
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: after the quarterback. Offensively, you're gonna deal with a different offense.

807
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: But defensive I feel like they're still playing at such

808
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: a high level you don't have to worry about it

809
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 3: right now. The concern is the offense scoring explosive touchdowns

810
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 3: and running the football.

811
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 2: So make sure Remandra Stevenson in the running game, don't

812
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: get started. Hunter Henry is their top target. And then

813
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: what make Drake May as a rookie beat you from

814
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: a hot pocket?

815
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: That's what it has to be.

816
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: I was just about to ask you the challenge of

817
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: containing Drake may Have you noticed anything film wise about

818
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: where he likes to escape and what he might be

819
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: able to do just as a dual threat.

820
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: He's not afraid to run. But the problem with him

821
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 3: running is he'll take hits. And that's the difference where

822
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: most of these quarterbacks that'll scrimming, they'll get out of bounds,

823
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: will slide. He likes to slide late, so he'll scramble

824
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: left right up the middle. He'll figure out where to

825
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: go because if it breaks down, he's going to get

826
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: his that's the other kicker. He's young, so when it

827
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: breaks down, his eyes go down. They don't they don't

828
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: stay down the field like a Russell Wilson used to like.

829
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: He scrambled looking to throw the football. Once his eyes

830
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: go down, he's looking to take off and run and

831
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: get yards. And so if you're the Rams, that's what

832
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: you want, right. I don't want you looking down the field.

833
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: I want you to look at this pass rusher, what's

834
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: going on. I want you to hear these voices, and

835
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: then we'll always have someone there to help you. I

836
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 3: would always have someone stunting around or waiting for him.

837
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: Kind of what the Dolphins did to Stafford when they

838
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: ran their stunts. They didn't go up the field the

839
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: guy that penetrated that there was one guy that would penetrate.

840
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: The other guy would kind of loop around it and

841
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: waited to line of scrimmage.

842
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I violated the twenty four hour rule.

843
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 2: You can find me if necessary, I couldn't get around

844
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 2: to the Patriots here by Thursday morning, I was watching

845
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: too much Dolphins Rams. Still, Yeah, no, I don't. I

846
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: don't believe that's tonight's task. Or maybe save it for

847
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: the plan on Saturday. That's what I'll do. My Drake

848
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: may study.

849
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: It's okay. I got in there for you. Don't worry

850
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: about it.

851
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: Oh it's pretty funny too, because I watching back the

852
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: Rams and Dolphins, I was like, I feel like I

853
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: need to exercise while watching this. So like the treadmill

854
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: was turned up to seven, and as the game continued on,

855
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: it just kept getting faster and faster, and yeah, got

856
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: a little frustration out in that.

857
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: Regardless strategy, every strategy I've never thought about that just

858
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: start lifting.

859
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: Everyone on the show last week it was stewed.

860
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 3: Yea lifted. Goodness. I got to get back to it.

861
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you one thing. The Patriots have

862
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: been struggling versus the run this season. They actually look

863
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: to establish their own run game. It hasn't been that

864
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: strong thus far, however, it was a point of emphasis

865
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: in their last matchup versus the Bears. Uh for the Rams,

866
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: how do they get their own run game going? You've

867
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: got some big names between Kirra and Korum and then

868
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: of course Revers. But can they do it against this team?

869
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the challenge right. You're you're

870
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: playing an AFC opponent, and the AFCs normally has bigger players.

871
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: It's weird if you ever look at how they play.

872
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: They're bigger guys. You remember Baltimore last year, bigger linemen.

873
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: It's just a different brand of football the AFC plays

874
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: in the NFC, and so this is a great opportunity

875
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: to go out there and see if you're running game

876
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: and your techniques and your players are where they need

877
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: to be to be able to make a run. And

878
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: again I talked about the test just like it was

879
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: in past protection, it's the same thing here against New

880
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: England in a run game where they're gonna be a

881
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: three to four front, they're gonna they're gonna put big

882
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: dudes in the middle and they're gonna hold up. How

883
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: are you? How are you going to attack this team?

884
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: As you get going forward?

885
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: Another anecdote from this past weekend, the Pats were able

886
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: to get home at nine times against Caleb Williams. So

887
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: it's going to be important again looking back to this

888
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: Rams offensive line got a.

889
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: Coordinator tired.

890
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 3: Out of there right test number two.

891
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: Time will tell if that was more about Caleb and

892
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: the Bears or more about what this emerging Patriots team

893
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: is doing.

894
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: All right, guys, before we wrap up, we've got just

895
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: a few minutes left, Let's dig into some keys to victory.

896
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: JV and MJD. I'm looking to you who wants to

897
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: start this week? You always toss it back my way,

898
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: but yeah, Cameron has to go first, you know, I

899
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: after watching the last matchup with the Bears, I just

900
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: was really impressed with the arm strength of Drake May.

901
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: I think he's really athletic, and I think our ability

902
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: to contain him is going to be critical. Can we

903
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: make him wildly uncomfortable? So that's going to be my

904
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: key to victory, and especially I just am replaying to

905
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: a little bit on that first touchdown, and so I

906
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: would really like to see us have the ability to

907
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: kind of slow Drake May down in a very very

908
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: slow and.

909
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: Steady I'll take your cue on first touchdown because that

910
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: was top of mine. First. I'll say short weeks have

911
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: been Sean mcvay's special time and early alarm kickoffs have

912
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: been good to Sean mcfay's Rams over the year too.

913
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: So you're going short week, early time zone, rise and shine,

914
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: and so I'm kind of thinking, like my key is

915
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: start and finish, Start and finish for once, build a

916
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: lead for once, put an opponent away. You know, if

917
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: you were listening that we were talking about this on

918
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: Monday night. The Rams have been held completely scoreless in

919
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: six of their nine first quarters. Yikes. And to the

920
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: point about finishing, they have four wins, right, but like

921
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: two have been walkoffs San Francisco and Seattle, and then

922
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: the other two have been saved by the defense at

923
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: the end because the offense couldn't deliver that dagger Las

924
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: Vegas and Minnesota. So again, I'm continuing to lower the

925
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: floor with like least insightful key to victory in between

926
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: the Horns history. But take the lead and extend the lead. Yeah, no, duh,

927
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: that's it for me.

928
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm gonna kind of piggyback that on

929
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 3: that a little bit. I think getting the first first

930
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: down on your first drive to start the game was huge,

931
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: and I think scoring on your first drive is huge.

932
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: But I also think coming out of half if we

933
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 3: if we do win the toss and you defer scoring

934
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: then because those that's how you start fast. And I

935
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: thought the Rams were on their way to doing that.

936
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: I was gonna like rag on you too, like in

937
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: the broadcast, like, ah, here we go, jab they did

938
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 3: it right. I was ready to go. But taking advantage

939
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: of those opportunities to start the game fast is gonna

940
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: be very important for the Rams offensively because if you notice,

941
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: like they'll if they don't start fast, it's kind of like, oh,

942
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: then it takes a little while for them to get going.

943
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: But if they do start fast, you get that first

944
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 3: down early, you kind of get in a rhythm a

945
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: little bit. You either kick a field goal early on

946
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: or you score a touchdown. When they're upbeat, they can go.

947
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: And so it's just about getting that momentum going. So

948
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna piggyback with you and say scoring in the

949
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: first first drive of the of the game and then

950
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: whatever if it's coming out of half having the ball.

951
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: And if the offense needs a mulligan, like, look, the

952
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: one thing I think the defense can and will do

953
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: better is like beat the opponent script right like Vikings

954
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: went right down a couple of times Miami did it too.

955
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 2: As great as they've been, and let me say it again,

956
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: they have been an elite defense now like this is

957
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 2: a defense driven team until proven otherwise. And there's nothing

958
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 2: wrong with that except for our summer preconceptions. But maybe

959
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: another step forward for them this week defeat that Patriots script.

960
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: I like it. I'll give you a couple of anecdotes

961
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: to close this thing out. The Patriots O line has

962
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: had some issues healthwise that might be good for the

963
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: Rams pass thrush. They've got ten different starters on this season,

964
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: eleven different combinations. And I also feel like we just

965
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: need to give a big star on the homework of

966
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: Cardi the kicker.

967
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I could call out Yeah, I mean five

968
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: really should have been six?

969
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have been The fifty two is good

970
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: with plenty of spare, right, but when it turned into

971
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: fifty seven, all right, he gets What about where the

972
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: folks can can buy the jacket that you're wearing? Because

973
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: I know that comment is coming.

974
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: How about a yeah, yeah, it's coming. I believe you

975
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: can buy this on ramsfl dot com, so c along

976
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: those lines. I don't have the exact I'm sorry, fan

977
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: shop there you go. Yeah, how sweet is this? I'll

978
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: give you a guice, it'll turn around pretty sweet.

979
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: Which collection is that?

980
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: I believe this is from Russell Westbrook?

981
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: Correct well, russ Go Bruins.

982
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: Shout out to our marketing game.

983
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: They turned it around.

984
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Huh forgetting the hook?

985
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 3: Okay, listen, man, there's great things can happen in the

986
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: month of November. We're just excited to be able to

987
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: play another game. I didn't know who were playing this week.

988
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: Do you know? Uh?

989
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on the Friday night road at Washington Is

990
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: this the robbery game?

991
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: I am a fan, but I have, like I got

992
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 3: a lot going on.

993
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is it Sean you know? Is your

994
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: candidate he should be?

995
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 3: Is it really?

996
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: You know?

997
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: I never lost to Washington College. I don't know what

998
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: that rivalry is, like, I.

999
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: Never Okay, if Cameron's Coogs beat the Dogs and your

1000
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: Bruins beat you dub in the same season tomorrow, will

1001
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: never live it down.

1002
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: I won't even bring it up. I'll just look at him.

1003
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hang it over. He said.

1004
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: He's doing great. By the way, Demark is doing au.

1005
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: He's here on Monday with less. He's just he's got

1006
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: a morning talk show.

1007
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: Now. Yes, I know there were some comments. We we

1008
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: also we love to Marco, loved to Marco. Don't don't,

1009
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: don't go wrong on that side. All right, I'm getting

1010
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: the wrap up. I see Jory in the backdrop going

1011
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: all right, Cam, because we definitely I told him I

1012
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna go along, and here we are forty five

1013
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: minutes later. I'm so sorry, but hey, we're.

1014
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: Soot I did. It was just so subtle.

1015
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: We got it was the golden snitch. I was talking.

1016
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about quaffles, but then I

1017
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: just got a little aggressive. Somebody got the Harry Potter reference.

1018
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: Yes I'm a total nerd, but hey, thanks so much

1019
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: for joining us on this episode of Between the Horns,

1020
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: brought to you by our Southern California tour, the Dealers,

1021
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: Cameron Irwin, m J D, and of course J B.

1022
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: Long.

1023
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: We can't wait to see you