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Speaker 1: are here for you. And Mark Zuckerberg was on trial

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Speaker 1: today as well as companies on trial Meta, but he

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Speaker 1: had to testify. This is a lawsuit that's in La

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Speaker 1: County Superior Court. There's a number of these lawsuits. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: it is the charge civil case that young people were

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Speaker 1: targeted by Meta, which has Facebook and Instagram, among other things,

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Speaker 1: and that it was Meta's what Meta's product did is

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Speaker 1: addict them to social media and addict them to their

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Speaker 1: smartphone and this has been really damaging to a whole

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Speaker 1: generation of kids. And that Metta Zuckerberg knew that this

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Speaker 1: addiction was happening, did nothing to stop it. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they tailored their business model to encourage it. That is

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Speaker 1: the gist of the case. Let's talk to Royal Oaks

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Speaker 1: now ABC News legal analyst, because Zuckerberg had to testify today, Royal,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, John, and yeah, is the clash of the titans.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy, Mark Zuckerberg, one of the richest

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Speaker 2: guys in the world, you know, huge genius entrepreneur, and

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Speaker 2: he's sitting in the dock answering questions by a learn

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Speaker 2: named Mark Lanier. Now he's not a household name, but

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Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you in the legal world, John,

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Speaker 2: this guy was a real gladiator. He's got multiple billion

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Speaker 2: dollar jury verdict See. His specialty is getting juries really angry, asbestos,

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Speaker 2: you know, talk causing ovarian cancer, pharmast stuff, the opioids.

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Speaker 2: He just has this this gift and so he's going

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Speaker 2: after Mark Zuckerberg, hammer and tong. And the thing is,

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Speaker 2: there are no real smoking guns that would guarantee a

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Speaker 2: gigantic victory. Because you accurately characterized the planet's case. You know,

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Speaker 2: they knew this is terrible, and they did nothing. Well,

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Speaker 2: the fact is they did a whole lot. They have

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Speaker 2: all sorts of filters and guidelines and guard rails, and

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Speaker 2: the metaposition is, you know, we offered this stuff. We

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Speaker 2: worked really hard to do it. Of course, we love profits.

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Speaker 2: We'd love it if everybody spends all their time, you know,

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Speaker 2: scrolling on Instagram. But we know that's not possible. But

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Speaker 2: you know we're responsible. It's the corporate citizens blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's going to be up to Mark Lanier

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Speaker 2: at all. One little thing, you'll like, John the judge

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Speaker 1: Well, because they're recording the faces of the jury, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know you're not supposed to take pictures

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Speaker 1: Did they talk much about how Facebook Instagram created their

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Speaker 2: It could have been all pro plaintiff, but by sticking

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Speaker 1: about this it's become like a soap opera. The new

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Speaker 5: Officers arrested Ian Chardery earlier this month there in case.

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Speaker 7: Mister Choldre is a publicly appointed official, living and working

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Speaker 7: on the California taxpayer dime. You don't think there should

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Speaker 7: be some transparency in terms of what exactly happened?

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Speaker 1: Or occurred.

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Speaker 6: I do believe that the there'sday process and treats everybody

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Speaker 6: equally fairly, and that there's laws in California that are

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Speaker 6: put in plate for this exact scenario. And you know,

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Speaker 6: if there is a protected party, then there's not a

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Speaker 6: they have a right to privacy. I mean, they're not everybody.

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Speaker 6: There was a public official.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we know that Chadri was there, the fiance

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Speaker 1: was there, the child was there. Who called nine to

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Speaker 1: one one?

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Speaker 5: That is a question that I keep asking. It's not

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Speaker 5: clear who exactly called. Chaudri's attorney is describing that person

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Speaker 5: as a third party. We filed a formal public records

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Speaker 5: request for the nine to one one recording and dispatch

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Speaker 5: audio from the City of Fulsome. They immediately denied our request,

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Speaker 5: claiming it falls under the same exemptions as body camera

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Speaker 5: footage and police dash cam video. We replied that we disagree.

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Speaker 5: The California Public Records Act does not make an exemption

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Speaker 5: for nine one one in audio recordings. So we're waiting

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Speaker 5: to hear back from them. Will of course keep you

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Speaker 5: updated on that.

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Speaker 1: No, it's they're covering up because it's the high Speed

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Speaker 1: Rail CEO. That's what they're doing, and they're hoping to

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Speaker 1: delay the release until people lose interest in the case.

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Speaker 1: That's what's going on. So they're claiming, well, there's a

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Speaker 1: seventeen year old involved. Well, you said there's no crime, right,

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Speaker 1: you said there was no evidence, you're not pressing charges,

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Speaker 1: so why not release the audio so we can see

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Speaker 1: what's going on. We're paying this guy five hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty three thousand dollars. And guess what the fiance the

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Speaker 1: fiancee is involved in this high speed rail racket. And

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Speaker 1: this is something our producer Ray Lopez noticed at the

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Speaker 1: very bottom of a sacramentob dot com story written by

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Speaker 1: Leah Russell. The fiance's name is Leude Mala Starostiuk, Ukrainian woman,

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Speaker 1: Leude Mala Starostiuk, and she was the one who is

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Speaker 1: charged in the moment with endangering a minor. Now they

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Speaker 1: had they didn't say clearly in that report whether that

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Speaker 1: charge was dismissed or not. But it turns out Starostiuk

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Speaker 1: recently joined a company called km NO kp MG, a

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Speaker 1: financial services firm that is advising the high speed rail authority.

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Speaker 1: She is an advisory manager to a company that's advisoring

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Speaker 1: advising high speed rail, and she's gonna marry the head

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Speaker 1: of high speed Rail, Ian Shawdery. At least she was

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Speaker 1: going to marry.

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Speaker 4: Him unless this whole So we were way off when

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Speaker 4: we were talking about Burkendags.

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Speaker 1: Right, We're thinking it's you know, I wanna be step

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Speaker 1: bomb and the stepdaughter and you know she's seventeen and

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Speaker 1: Ian is bringing home huge amounts of money and they're

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Speaker 1: just trying fighting.

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Speaker 4: Over the You were kind of right, you said it

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Speaker 4: had to do with the high speed rail.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm I am very suspicious and Ashley's valla was

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Speaker 1: very suspicious too, because you just release all the details

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Speaker 1: and the audio and the dispatch call and lay it

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Speaker 1: all out there. And why don't you tell us what

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Speaker 1: they were arguing about? Why did the neighbor or this

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Speaker 1: mystery third party felt the need to call. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, just because you know there was no charges,

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Speaker 1: there's no evidence, you know what that means. Everybody decided

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Speaker 1: not to talk as soon as they realized what happened,

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Speaker 1: and that Shaudri is sitting in a jail cell and

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Speaker 1: the fance has been charged too. Maybe the girl thought,

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Speaker 1: oh geez, what did I do here. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: this's just an ordinary stupid family fight that got out

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Speaker 1: of hand. But what I'm more concerned about is she's

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Speaker 1: marrying the head of high speed Rail and she just

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Speaker 1: joined a company that's advising the high speed rail authority. No,

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Speaker 1: that can't be, but that's but that's what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: when I always joke about everybody's brother and sister and

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Speaker 1: brother in law and close friends and donors get married

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Speaker 1: into these scams, that's what this is. So now she's

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Speaker 1: getting a paycheck connected to high speed rail through KPMG,

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Speaker 1: but they are the ones that are getting high speed

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Speaker 1: rail money again our tax money. She's getting it secondhand.

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Speaker 1: She used to be a business professor at Denver University.

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Speaker 1: According to contracts and expenditures in a report, KPMG has

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Speaker 1: a twenty four million dollar contract with the Bullet Train

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Speaker 1: for its financial advisory services. Twenty four million dollars is

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Speaker 1: going from Shaudre's high speed Rail agency to KPMG, and

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Speaker 1: his fiance is now working for KPMG. That's what you

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Speaker 1: ought to be pissed off about. And that's also why

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Speaker 1: they're covering all this thing up. And there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: no Dispatch audio No. Nine to one one audio. Suddenly

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Speaker 1: the charges are dropped. He's let out. The attorney is going, well,

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Speaker 1: it really was. It was anough thing burger. Whenever anybody

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Speaker 1: says it's a nothing burger, it's a something burger. Trust me,

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a code phrase. There's still a burger

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Speaker 1: in there. There's still at least there's buns, maybe some

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Speaker 1: ketchup and lettuce, but there's something.

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Speaker 4: There in some avocado and some money.

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Speaker 1: And no, you don't do that on a burger.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI

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Speaker 3: A sixty.

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Speaker 1: We're on every day now three to six, back in

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Speaker 1: our old time slot three to six, Conway from six

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Speaker 1: to ten. Right after Debrah's News, Mark Joffey is coming on.

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Speaker 1: He's with the California Policy Enter and he has been

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Speaker 1: analyzing the climate in California going back to the beginning

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Speaker 1: of records in eighteen seventy seven. And he's been analyzing

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Speaker 1: the drought monitor that tracks whether the state is in

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Speaker 1: a drought situation or not. And he discovered because you know,

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Speaker 1: the gas prices are awful, and it's all because he

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Speaker 1: Knewsom's climate policies, and he looked to see has the

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Speaker 1: climate really changed all that much? And I'll just give

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Speaker 1: you a brief preview. The climate in terms of temperature

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Speaker 1: and humidity and precipitation is almost exactly the same as

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Speaker 1: it was one hundred years ago, and the last twenty

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Speaker 1: five years has been the same. There has been no

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Speaker 1: change going on. It's another racket talk with Mark Choffie.

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Speaker 1: What he says is we ought to be building water

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Speaker 1: storage reservoirs, desalination plants. That's what we ought to be

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Speaker 1: spending our money on. Of course, all right, I say

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Speaker 1: the sex stories.

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Speaker 4: For you, Oh good, because you know I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to get those anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's right, you're not on with Darian Shannon. Well this

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Speaker 1: is This is tortoise sex.

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Speaker 4: It's very fast, it's not violent.

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Speaker 1: Well actually, well i'll explain. Researchers have been studying a

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Speaker 1: group of one thousand Herman's tortoises they're called, and it's

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Speaker 1: on an uninhabited island in Macedonia, Macedonias in Europe. It

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Speaker 1: used to be part of Yugoslavia. So you have this

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Speaker 1: Macedonian island, a thousand of Herman's tortoises and the males,

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Speaker 1: I mean most of them are males, and they pursue

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Speaker 1: the women aggressively because there's very few girls. And the

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Speaker 1: girls are pursued for sex by so many male tortoises

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Speaker 1: so often that the women have decided they'd rather kill

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Speaker 1: themselves by walking off the island's cliffs. And they've been

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Speaker 1: studying the tortoises, and these females hurl themselves off the

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Speaker 1: cliffs rather than submit one more time to sex. The

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Speaker 1: island is in Lake Prespa, and A has a forested

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Speaker 1: plateau area and it's encircled by sheer cliffs. But there

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Speaker 1: were nineteen adult males for every female on the plateau.

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Speaker 1: They don't really know how that happened. The males, having

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Speaker 1: so few women, started mounting each other. The women were

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Speaker 1: so fed up with being pursued that they just started

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Speaker 1: walking off the closes.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that is hysterical. They'd rather die than well.

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Speaker 1: One of the researchers noticed there were these trains of

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Speaker 1: slow moving tortoises mounting each other, and it took a

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Speaker 1: while to reiz.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't I can't even picture them mounting

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Speaker 4: each other.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how that they're mounting each other

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Speaker 1: and well, you know what they're doing. They're chasing the woman,

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Speaker 1: and they're mounting each other while they're chasing the woman,

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Speaker 1: and eventually they get to her, and when she gets tired,

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Speaker 1: and you end up with this huge heap of tortoises,

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Speaker 1: but the woman buried at the bottom.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to picture that.

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Speaker 1: I have some photos here want to see.

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Speaker 4: I'm very curious.

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Speaker 1: They just would rather kill themselves. That's Debra Mark live

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Speaker 1: in the KFI twenty four our newsroom. You've been listening

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Speaker 1: to The John Cobelt Show podcast. You can always hear

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