Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: These are some of our favorite segments from this week,
Speaker 1: all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah. So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles, we
Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined once again by a writer,
Speaker 1: one of the best podcast hosts and executive producers doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know him from stuff they don't want you to know,
Speaker 1: ridiculous history, missing in Arizona.
Speaker 2: It's Ben Buller b o snap oh.
Speaker 3: Right a ka nil wob neb missed you guys, uh
Speaker 3: nilob Yeah, I got the got the got got the
Speaker 3: gray Miles.
Speaker 1: Uh so we are there, you guys. How how are
Speaker 1: you doing it?
Speaker 2: It's been fucking forever.
Speaker 1: Good So I'm doing great. Everything is great.
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty five started off with a bang and yeah,
Speaker 4: no notes, no notes, no notes.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five, I love thank you so much for
Speaker 1: asking love to see an outsider get go to DC
Speaker 1: and just kind of shake things up, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, to the point where you've killed it because
Speaker 1: you shook it so hard.
Speaker 3: Spelling spelling shake s h E I K.
Speaker 1: Surely yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly, yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: oh boy, yeah yeah no, no, it's cool that we
Speaker 1: have a Russian president.
Speaker 2: You know, that's really like.
Speaker 4: I feel like the news really isn't doing a good
Speaker 4: job of like acknowledging the moment and that you know.
Speaker 2: They I think they're nailing it.
Speaker 4: They want to talk about Obama all the time, but
Speaker 4: then I'm talking about our first Russian president.
Speaker 2: Damn, I know. Thank you? Or so.
Speaker 1: That's the real DEI right, that we were looking for
Speaker 1: as a country.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: So it does seem like we're gonna try and go
Speaker 1: Trump free on this bitch. But it does seem like
Speaker 1: we're we might be seeing the beginnings of some sort
Speaker 1: of the mainstream media waking.
Speaker 2: Up because it's talking you can do whatever.
Speaker 1: It turns out you can do whatever the fuck you want,
Speaker 1: as long as you don't as well, just.
Speaker 2: Don't suck up my money.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yes, yeah. What is something from your search
Speaker 1: history that's revealing about.
Speaker 5: Who you are?
Speaker 3: Can you feed a cat dog food?
Speaker 2: Oh mm hm?
Speaker 3: Why did this happen? Why did I search this? Because
Speaker 3: my husband.
Speaker 1: Leab that's the equivalent of my wife.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's it's millennia, saying my husband, my husband, Okay, husband,
Speaker 3: he bought the the dog food for the cat, and
Speaker 3: so I wanted to know, can you feed the cat
Speaker 3: dog food? It turns out out you can, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't have the proper nutrients, so only for a little bit.
Speaker 3: And that little bit was this morning when she puked.
Speaker 4: Oh really, wait, so because it's so good.
Speaker 3: Different, No, the puking was definitely because she got a
Speaker 3: good can of food this morning and she liked it,
Speaker 3: so she scarfed it too fast. But then I immediately
Speaker 3: was like, okay, it's been five days of us knowing
Speaker 3: that this is dog food, maybe like a week or
Speaker 3: fifteen days of it actually being dog food, and so
Speaker 3: we need to swap this shit out. So yes, but yes,
Speaker 3: there are some nutrients that cats need that dogs don't. Dogs,
Speaker 3: I think can eat more veggies. They're like dogs are
Speaker 3: super down. And in fact, it's good to feed dogs
Speaker 3: like colorful foods like carrots and sweet potatoes. That stuff
Speaker 3: is good for them. But cats need just meet they
Speaker 3: need oh wow, yeah. Yeah. And also I've been looking
Speaker 3: up cat health insurance and it's also a racket. Everything
Speaker 3: about vet insurance is a fucking racket. Everything about veterinary
Speaker 3: care and animal care is a racket. And yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, I'm like it's awful. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know what, go under the house and die, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, that's just that's.
Speaker 4: How veterinarians feel too. They're like, it's so fun. I
Speaker 4: can't even give care because the fucking mandate I get
Speaker 4: from the corporate overlords is to just like be like, dude,
Speaker 4: just deny anything. Just tell them the pets are gonna die.
Speaker 4: You can't do anything for him because it's too We're
Speaker 4: not going to cover that Shiit just.
Speaker 3: No, it is so wild, Like two hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: dollars for a urine test. Excuse me, how two hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty dollars to test the urine for you? Exactly?
Speaker 4: That shit tastes off. I'll know right away, exactly less
Speaker 4: than two hundred sixty bucks.
Speaker 3: No, But seriously, I'm just like, can we I understand obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, fore Luigi, we need universal medicare for all.
Speaker 3: We need to abolish the private you know, health care
Speaker 3: iss them in this country. But also we need medicare
Speaker 3: for all for cats so yes, a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of feline stuff in my search history.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, the Democrats are not going to
Speaker 1: like that talking point medicare for all four cats, Francisco.
Speaker 4: We're trying to we're trying to get that big D
Speaker 4: Democrat podcast or spot and I don't just do you.
Speaker 1: Guys Rogan of the Left, please, we've already applied. They
Speaker 1: gave us a swift and unambiguous no, you may not.
Speaker 4: They said, wasn'tbelievable as a tough guy, and I was
Speaker 4: quote not white.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I tried to act like I knew what m m
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's prety good for like depression, Like a lot
Speaker 4: of people are like tinkering with it.
Speaker 2: It was like an ecstasy.
Speaker 4: But now like m m A therapy is like really
Speaker 4: they're like get this.
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's good to know. That's helpful information
Speaker 1: that we're learning up top. What is something from your
Speaker 1: search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 6: Okay, so not to be like all about me, but
Speaker 6: it is my birthday week. Whoa March for.
Speaker 2: Birthday?
Speaker 6: And I'm hella busy in an adult so I can't
Speaker 6: celebrate this week, but I'm really excited Jackies and I
Speaker 6: are going to go in the future at some point
Speaker 6: that I won't tell everyone to the Gentle Barn. Have
Speaker 6: you guys, have you heard about the Gentle Bar?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that like up in Santa Clarita area.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like a farm sanctuary. I follow all these
Speaker 6: rescue farms and they're so sweet and they cuddle cows
Speaker 6: and they like I feel like every animal is just
Speaker 6: like some version of a puppy, Like like cows are
Speaker 6: just like milk puppies, you know, Turkeys are thanksgiving puppies.
Speaker 1: You know, oh you.
Speaker 2: Them.
Speaker 6: No I don't vegan, okay, now you can.
Speaker 2: Just giving puppy giving puppy.
Speaker 6: But it's just like puppies that we haven't like played
Speaker 6: with yet, you know what I mean. Like they all
Speaker 6: have personalities, they all have individual you know, like individual
Speaker 6: like emotions and things. You know, They're just like they
Speaker 6: all got little things. And so I really love like
Speaker 6: rescue farms because it's just like kind of the misfit
Speaker 6: toys of animals that get to all just like live
Speaker 6: and thrive. And so I'm really excited to go. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go to the gentle barn.
Speaker 4: The guys child loves animals and like horses and donkeys
Speaker 4: and shit like that, and everyone's like, you gotta take them,
Speaker 4: you gotta take them to the gentle farm. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: let me know how it goes.
Speaker 2: Let me know how.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can do like you can cuddle cows. And
Speaker 6: there was this like viral video that went around a
Speaker 6: while ago, this woman being like, what does it? It's
Speaker 6: like like when you when you get like so like
Speaker 6: angry because it's something so cute, You're like, I want
Speaker 6: to eat your cheeks. Cute aggression. Yeah yeah, And this
Speaker 6: woman was like, get it all out.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 6: You can get it all out on cows. You can
Speaker 6: hug them as hard as you want because they're so big,
Speaker 6: you could just like take out your cute aggression on
Speaker 6: And so I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna cuddle
Speaker 6: the cow so hard it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Those cows are like tough guys. Are they.
Speaker 6: You trying to fight a cow at the gentle bar?
Speaker 2: Are you saying you're saying the cow can handle it all.
Speaker 6: At the gentle barn? Are you gonna come in with
Speaker 6: that energy to.
Speaker 4: The gentle bar, Are you here to assault the animals?
Speaker 6: No, they're going to post up.
Speaker 2: I just want to know. I just want to know.
Speaker 2: I just want to check how a bill.
Speaker 4: But oh that does make sense, because yeah, those animals
Speaker 4: are so like I like when I think they're huge
Speaker 4: the bait. My baby's like going up to like a
Speaker 4: cat or something, but a big ass cow. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 4: there's nothing you can do to me, Yeah, except.
Speaker 1: Just want to This is coming from AI over you.
Speaker 1: But I do remember writing about this back of the day.
Speaker 1: The cows are responsible for an average of twenty two
Speaker 1: human deaths each year.
Speaker 6: Okay, but how many humans are responsible for how many
Speaker 6: cow deaths?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Are you trying to tone police and oppressed class in
Speaker 6: how they revolt against their oppressor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying watch them keeping that's crazy way Jack,
Speaker 1: you're saying that.
Speaker 4: So the cows are claiming twenty two of our human
Speaker 4: lives a year. Uh huh, Okay, well I'm just loiggling
Speaker 4: up the new stats from twenty twenty three about thirty
Speaker 4: two point eight million.
Speaker 1: Cattle were slaughdered in the United States.
Speaker 2: Hold that cows.
Speaker 6: I know this is not the feeling coming into this.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry about the milk puppies.
Speaker 2: I thought we were doing the scoreboard thing. I'm too
Speaker 2: caught up in sports.
Speaker 6: Sorry with other species.
Speaker 2: Or asked a very good question, can you.
Speaker 6: See that a clip of that little girl who was
Speaker 6: like at a rescue farm thing and then she was like,
Speaker 6: that's the cheeseburger like.
Speaker 1: That for a long time to connect the food to
Speaker 1: the animal. They're like, no, it's not chickens like that chicken.
Speaker 1: That's the same same word, but it's for different things,
Speaker 1: like that's the food chicken, and those are like our cute,
Speaker 1: our neighbor's cute chickens.
Speaker 6: I think that's how much are in their brains.
Speaker 2: The deaths are not based on that.
Speaker 1: They're not like cheating this victor, but victors like I
Speaker 1: was just them choking on steak or whatever, or like
Speaker 1: having heart attacks from high and that. If we added
Speaker 1: that as well as like their methane admissions, we would be.
Speaker 2: That's doing it from the.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the cows are like we're playing the long get
Speaker 4: taking down with us.
Speaker 1: This is like two like smash smashings where they're just
Speaker 1: like smashing people or like dumb people are like doing
Speaker 1: cow tipping and then it like just rolls over on
Speaker 1: them and they're like dead. Now when people are like
Speaker 1: a farm related incident, let's not tell the whole truth
Speaker 1: of that one, sure, Paula. The what's something you think
Speaker 1: is underrated?
Speaker 6: If you guys haven't been watching Paradise on Hulu? Oh
Speaker 6: my god, Sterling K. Brown, James Marsden amazing?
Speaker 4: Does James Marsden die immediately right away?
Speaker 6: No comment?
Speaker 2: Is he cut before he dies? Before James Marsden joint? Proper?
Speaker 6: This is a proper James Marsden joint is it's I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't it's too much. You guys have to you
Speaker 6: would be so upset. You can't tell us about Just
Speaker 6: watch it. It's it's Paradise. It has to do with
Speaker 6: the fate of the world. And every episode has like
Speaker 6: ten episodes packed.
Speaker 1: Into what to do with the fate of You can't see.
Speaker 6: Victor says, don't spoil it. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 4: Can I not even read like a description?
Speaker 6: Don't read, don't just watch it, go in unspoiled, don't
Speaker 6: read a description, don't talk to anyone, don't put up
Speaker 6: on Twitter. Just go watch it. It is so good
Speaker 6: and more is revealed every episode.
Speaker 1: Hey, Apple media assistant, turn on Paradise and then keep
Speaker 1: your eyes closed until you start hearing music. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to even it.
Speaker 6: Is so good. Like I feel like this is like
Speaker 6: the Severance team will also be on this one, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean, Like everyone who loves Severance. I
Speaker 6: feel like you guys will love Paradise. It's more like
Speaker 6: action packed because there's like more crazy shit happening every episode,
Speaker 6: but there's so many twists and turns and it's just
Speaker 6: so well done, and it also feels like it could
Speaker 6: actually happen, and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god. That's why I've been pitching that
Speaker 1: Severance should be recasting their main roles with Steven Segal
Speaker 1: doing a cloud band. Damn, so that's thee Mel Gibson.
Speaker 2: As hell, you know, give me out of here, all right?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, I mean, I guess that's a
Speaker 1: pretty intriguing endorsement.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially when this the producer started spamming the chat like.
Speaker 6: Don't even read much, right, It's just I feel like,
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's just now that I.
Speaker 4: See the image, I'm like, oh wait, I am familiar
Speaker 4: that of what this show is. But I've only seen
Speaker 4: the look at.
Speaker 6: The image, don't look at anything.
Speaker 2: What it is.
Speaker 4: But the log line is very innocuous. It's not they
Speaker 4: ain't give it away much.
Speaker 6: It's so good.
Speaker 4: Just a secret service team is tasked with Mile. Now
Speaker 4: I'm never gonna watch it.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you ruined everything, Miles I do.
Speaker 2: So. I feel like it's been a while.
Speaker 1: I might need to retire my characterization of James Marsden
Speaker 1: as like somebody who gets cocked in movies. I think
Speaker 1: that's like where his career started.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's so true. Wait, but enchanted he got he
Speaker 6: got cooked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he got cooked.
Speaker 6: Het cucked in that and the Notebook.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Notebook he got cooked, like his character in
Speaker 1: the X Men universe got cooked, right, Like that was
Speaker 1: like sort of his you know.
Speaker 6: Psychlosnic He's getting cooked by I needed to.
Speaker 1: Do a little work with the fan fiction to like
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 6: There is tugging the funk out of him. Yeah, no,
Speaker 6: I love he's so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's great.
Speaker 1: I mean he was great in a Jury Duty too,
Speaker 1: Is that what that?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I haven't seen that though.
Speaker 2: He's great.
Speaker 1: And what Fizzic is something that you think is overrated.
Speaker 7: Apple EarPods or any sort of earbuds that just stick
Speaker 7: inside your ear and don't have something that attaches to
Speaker 7: your ear. This is more of a personal thing. I
Speaker 7: just hate the way it feels. Yeah, and they fall out,
Speaker 7: and I just you know, when you're on an airplane,
Speaker 7: you're you feel.
Speaker 3: Like like your ears stuff up. I don't know, I
Speaker 3: feel like it feels like how you feel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like just from the pressure seal like
Speaker 4: around it just feels a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I get that.
Speaker 1: And the noise cancelation on those does freak me out
Speaker 1: a little bit. Where you put it in and it's
Speaker 1: just like you feel like you're just like inside a
Speaker 1: balloon all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is going on here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I love like equal My equilibrium gets a little up.
Speaker 3: Falling because I have no balance.
Speaker 1: When I these things.
Speaker 2: I crossing. You're like.
Speaker 1: They put it like during the testing of the AirPods,
Speaker 1: they put it in and people just start falling.
Speaker 5: Over the.
Speaker 2: Early ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh god, have you seen that's I I actually
Speaker 4: really like that sensation.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: I think I was like, I'm one of those kids
Speaker 4: who like tried to hide in the tiniest boxes, Like
Speaker 4: I'm the opposite.
Speaker 2: Of claustrophobic, clustrophilic.
Speaker 1: I guess that's why they're drawn to each other miles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and why we just hold each other so tight
Speaker 4: when you see each other.
Speaker 7: Maybe you guys can share a coffin in the afterlife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It wouldn't be tight enough, how are we?
Speaker 2: Or uh, penis butt or.
Speaker 1: Classics like Lincoln lugs exactly or they don't fit or
Speaker 1: they don't fit.
Speaker 4: But yeah, like have you seen those clips of like
Speaker 4: those rooms that are truly like sound vacuums, like they're
Speaker 4: designed for no sound waves to like move in them.
Speaker 1: Those they're like total I think they have to be
Speaker 1: like have the air sucked out of them?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, And they say that.
Speaker 4: Is so disorienting, and part of me is like, bro,
Speaker 4: I want to know that. I want to know the
Speaker 4: extreme of most humans sensation. So if y'all work in
Speaker 4: one of those research facilities and you can, if you're
Speaker 4: down to have a four year old just come through
Speaker 4: to fuck around in there for like five minutes, let
Speaker 4: me know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think those cost like millions of dollars to create
Speaker 1: like they create them for like to to build like
Speaker 1: the James web Space telescope and like ship like that
Speaker 1: where they can't have any germs or like imperfections touching
Speaker 1: a thing. They'll like create a whole room that's a vacuum,
Speaker 1: so that like the germs is like fall right to
Speaker 1: the ground or whatever. But you're like, hey, could I
Speaker 1: just like kind of drunk drive through there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I can.
Speaker 4: I can I play some SoundCloud off my cell phone
Speaker 4: in here? Well tell me doctor, Yeah exactly exactly. They're like,
Speaker 4: are those official doctors sandals you're wearing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're doctors.
Speaker 1: Doctors wear some fucked up shoes because they need comfort.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, you know they're on their feet all day,
Speaker 1: so you're good there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: The white robe is like approximating it, but it's clearly
Speaker 1: a bathrobe. And doctor Miles is written in sharpie. That's
Speaker 1: the one thing that's fucking it up.
Speaker 4: I spell Miles with like white tape, all crudely, just
Speaker 4: on you.
Speaker 1: And you have a new cigarettes coming out of your podcast.
Speaker 4: And I'm wearing I'm wearing a commemorative Scrubs Rewatch podcast
Speaker 4: t shirt. I'd be like dude, I'm a doctor. Why
Speaker 4: would I be wearing this because my favorite podcast? Yeah,
Speaker 4: went to medical school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, watching Scrubs one and a half times all the
Speaker 1: way through. All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break,
Speaker 1: should we should we do that? Should we take a
Speaker 1: little break? Do we come back and talk about some news? Yes,
Speaker 1: let's do it. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: And we're back. We're back.
Speaker 1: And so this third way sounds not at all nefarious group.
Speaker 1: That's like, guys, we've tried the public and we've tried
Speaker 1: the Democratic What if we tried a third way that
Speaker 1: was also exactly like those two, Yeah, but like kind
Speaker 1: of an average of the two, kind of because they
Speaker 1: seem like they're more moderate than the mainstream Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: But miles in terms of like kind of the makeup
Speaker 1: of this group, who is powering this group? Where's the
Speaker 1: we've talked before about like the pod save guys talking
Speaker 1: about how when you're deciding if somebody is a good
Speaker 1: candidate for office, you go and they were saying this
Speaker 1: as a critique, but it's just the way, like and
Speaker 1: this is just the way it is. They're saying, like
Speaker 1: you just go through their phone and be like Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a billion that's a billionaire. Yeah, okay, you actually
Speaker 1: do qualify you could be a candidate. What what does
Speaker 1: an organization like this look like.
Speaker 4: It's make leadership foundationally and it's bones right, because this
Speaker 4: is a group that got together last month in uh
Speaker 4: Louden Canyon, Louden County, Virginia to figure out how do
Speaker 4: we get the Democratic part already back on track, how
Speaker 4: do we reclaim the attention of the working class and
Speaker 4: the normal American person. And so this group, the Third
Speaker 4: Way put this, you know, a little retreat together with
Speaker 4: consultants and politicians.
Speaker 2: Their board.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say the chairperson on the board of
Speaker 4: trustees of Thirdway dot Org is one Rachel Pritzker. Now
Speaker 4: you may you might be like, wait, I know that
Speaker 4: last name. Yes, because of a very it's a very dynastic,
Speaker 4: wealthy family hotel like the Hyatt hotels.
Speaker 2: JB.
Speaker 4: Pritzker, who's also the governor of Illinois is her cousin.
Speaker 2: She is the chairperson.
Speaker 4: So we have somebody who comes from dynastic wealth as
Speaker 4: the chair of this group Third Way. Then you just
Speaker 4: go through their board of trustees. It's either someone who
Speaker 4: comes from venture capital, someone who comes from Wall Street,
Speaker 4: or like an academic who gives it some sort of
Speaker 4: like intellectual credit or yeah, you know, like just just
Speaker 4: a little bit of what's the word I'm looking for, Uh,
Speaker 4: what I.
Speaker 2: Might help me?
Speaker 4: Intellectual bona fidees bona fide yes, exactly, Like, well, we
Speaker 4: have this sociologist who's also on the board who talks
Speaker 4: about inequality. I mean, obviously we won't do anything about it,
Speaker 4: but they are trustees.
Speaker 1: Some sociologists from the Stanford MBA program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like rich people win. Get over it.
Speaker 4: So they came together and Politico, who's also done a
Speaker 4: real interesting job of reporting since Trump has gone into office,
Speaker 4: has like sort of they got a hold of this
Speaker 4: pdf that has like five pages of like their takeaways
Speaker 4: as they got together to do a mind meld, and
Speaker 4: it's so fucking disheartening.
Speaker 3: But also got into it. Yeah, before you go into it,
Speaker 3: because it's really awful. Let's just there's it's really important
Speaker 3: because the way this peace was reported on, and even
Speaker 3: I misunderstood it when I first read it because it's
Speaker 3: been making the round, is that it was like they
Speaker 3: don't name the third way group like politicals like CENTRISTAMS
Speaker 3: group or like leading Dems. It's very cagy, yeah, which
Speaker 3: makes it sound like a little bit broader, like more
Speaker 3: Democrats are buying into this. The DNC maybe have something
Speaker 3: to do with it, or the d Triple C, you know,
Speaker 3: and the fundraising arm had something to do with it. No,
Speaker 3: the third way is like notoriously awful. So I just
Speaker 3: want to name like it's it's not it's not necessarily
Speaker 3: where the rest of the party, although I have massive
Speaker 3: questions about where they're gonna go, right, but they should
Speaker 3: definitely not listen to yes, the following recommendation.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I think what it is, more than anything, shows that
Speaker 4: there is the fight for the Democratic Party is well
Speaker 4: and truly on and right now the Centrists are making
Speaker 4: their case. They're trying to round the resources to be
Speaker 4: like it has to be this version of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4: It can't be this fucking a fringe shit like that
Speaker 4: AOC is talking about or stuff where they're talking about
Speaker 4: like taxing the wealthy. I'm sorry, I'm Rachel Pritzker, Like
Speaker 4: I can't have a bite taken out of my fortune
Speaker 4: because of this kind of shit. No, but let's make
Speaker 4: it sound like something good.
Speaker 2: So again.
Speaker 4: This was the third way is comeback retreat and there's
Speaker 4: four sections takeaways on why Democrats have a cultural disconnect
Speaker 4: with the working class, takeaways on why Democrats are not
Speaker 4: trusted by the working class, on the economy, then takeaways
Speaker 4: on how Democrats can reconnect culturally with the working class,
Speaker 4: and takeaways on how Democrats can rebuild economic trust with
Speaker 4: working class voters.
Speaker 3: Is this like they all were given a mirror and
Speaker 3: just had to hold it up to their own goddamn
Speaker 3: faces and were like, we are the reason that the Democratic.
Speaker 2: Party is not connected to the world.
Speaker 3: It's like, do you guys remember the scene? And I'm
Speaker 3: a big fried Green Tomatoes fan, but like to like
Speaker 3: get to know your body, like Kathy Bates like has
Speaker 3: a mirror and she looks at her vagina. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: this is like they need to look at their faces,
Speaker 3: look your bank account, look your face, look at your car,
Speaker 3: look at you know, like who you hang out with,
Speaker 3: the person.
Speaker 4: You know personally that you have in your phone book,
Speaker 4: that you interact with as a person, Yes, exactly, and.
Speaker 1: Not a service provider.
Speaker 4: Right, just as just as a question, I think that
Speaker 4: should be the first question rather how many billionaires you
Speaker 4: know your.
Speaker 1: Cap and berated the direct TV guy the other day.
Speaker 2: Does that count?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I didn't even have aid do it. I just
Speaker 1: had some steam to blow off.
Speaker 4: So so I'll read through these and we can stop
Speaker 4: at whichever one you'd like to, because they're all equally infuriating.
Speaker 4: But first takeaways on why democrats have a cultural disconnect
Speaker 4: with the working class. One over emphasis on identity politics too,
Speaker 4: the faculty lounge problem, which is again they're saying, quote
Speaker 4: Democrats are often viewed as judgmental, out of touch, and
Speaker 4: dismissive of those without elite education or progressive views. I
Speaker 4: like how they go or progressive views. It's just very
Speaker 4: telling or or us where we don't like that, we
Speaker 4: feel like weird, they don't, we.
Speaker 1: Look down on people who aren't college educated. And also
Speaker 1: that I think we're too woke.
Speaker 2: Don't ignore. Just to ignore that last part, keep joying it.
Speaker 2: It's woke. It's woke.
Speaker 4: My virus Number three failure to prioritize economic concerns.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: True, that's true, but true.
Speaker 2: They go, it's going to go in an interesting direction.
Speaker 4: Well, the subhead is while voters struggle with jobs, wages,
Speaker 4: and inflation, Democrats are seen as more focused on cultural
Speaker 4: and social issues than on economic progress and opportunity.
Speaker 2: They don't like racism.
Speaker 4: Well, they're also they're not They're not connected in any way,
Speaker 4: They're not all woven together in this much larger thing
Speaker 4: called American culture. Anyway, Then weekly weak messaging and communication,
Speaker 4: true fear of dissent within the party. This is where
Speaker 4: the wheels completely blow off. Now Democrats is again from
Speaker 4: this dogum quote. Democrats are perceived as intolerant of internal debate.
Speaker 4: We're questioning progressive we're questioning progressive orthodoxy results in backlash
Speaker 4: rather than open discussion. Candidates and operatives need to feel
Speaker 4: more comfortable just saying no to activist groups and unpalatable
Speaker 4: far left ideas. This is again where you're seeing how
Speaker 4: the fight's playing out.
Speaker 3: Like it's like every heading is like okay, and then
Speaker 3: their description is like absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, right right exactly.
Speaker 3: So where does Gaza fit into the fear of dissent
Speaker 3: within the party? Right? I mean like there, this is amazing, right,
Speaker 3: because this is the whole thing is like we feel
Speaker 3: like we're being policed and we feel like we have
Speaker 3: to get in line. Now, granted we haven't gotten in line,
Speaker 3: and we have not listened to our base, and we've
Speaker 3: ignored the mass movements, whether it's around BLM or around Gaza,
Speaker 3: we completely ignored them, and we punch left and we
Speaker 3: treat them like shit. Right, but they make us feel
Speaker 3: bad and we still ignore them. It's just like you,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Kamla Harris had energy coming into the election and then
Speaker 1: promptly steered in the direct direction they're suggesting the party
Speaker 1: go and lost all the momentum.
Speaker 2: Exactly right, yeah, right.
Speaker 4: Attachment to unpopular institutions very weird.
Speaker 3: The ones that are now being obliterated by Elon so
Speaker 3: Republican light got it, gotta got.
Speaker 4: Right, allowing the far left to define the party. Activist
Speaker 4: groups and progressive staffers push unpopular cultural positions, making it
Speaker 4: seem like Democrats are more extreme than they actually are.
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Operators and campaigns must remember that activist groups exist to
Speaker 4: promote their single issue and raise money around it, not
Speaker 4: to make Democrats electable. MM reactionary rather than proactive. Over
Speaker 4: reliance on buzzwords and political correctness. Hikes and ten lack
Speaker 4: a positive national identity message. Okay, Democrats focus too much
Speaker 4: on America's flaws racism, sexism, inequality without acknowledging the country's
Speaker 4: progress and potential, making them seem pessimistic and unpatriotic.
Speaker 2: This is just so very much just got.
Speaker 1: Their ass kicked in an election where the opposing side
Speaker 1: did nothing but talk about how America was a complete shithole.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah again it's very right,
Speaker 4: right right, it is wild where again This next part
Speaker 4: takeaways on why Democrats are not trusted by the working class.
Speaker 4: On the economy, it can all be summed up in
Speaker 4: one sentence, which is we cape for capitalism and the
Speaker 4: status quo and nothing else. That's the problem every time.
Speaker 4: So the first one vilification of wealth. Democrats are seen
Speaker 4: as hostile to success, indifferent to people's desire to attain wealth,
Speaker 4: while reflexively attacking wealthy business leaders instead of promoting economic
Speaker 4: mobility and aspiration. Hm disconnected messaging like everything is just so.
Speaker 4: Democrats focus on broad economic indicators instead of acknowledging real
Speaker 4: struggles like high prices and stagnant wages, making voters feel
Speaker 4: dismissed and unheard. Yeah you can, this is the problem,
Speaker 4: You'll point You'll gesture to the problems, but you'll never
Speaker 4: fucking wrestle with the issues.
Speaker 2: That's the fu's I mean.
Speaker 3: This is just wild, like for some of these are
Speaker 3: complete nincompoops number one, but number one and number two
Speaker 3: of why Democrats are not trusted by the working class
Speaker 3: are completely antithetical to one another. We have disconnected messaging.
Speaker 3: We don't actually make it clear that we understand and
Speaker 3: listen into voters economic concerns. When grocery prices are exorbitantly high,
Speaker 3: they can't afford childcare, on and on and on. But
Speaker 3: people are being too mean to corporations, and we can
Speaker 3: vilify the wealthy. This is the problem. This is but
Speaker 3: this is actually why Joe Biden failed in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways beyond the butcher Biden you know, last fifteenth
Speaker 3: you know year of his presidency was really about like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna sort of nibble around the edges, pass and reforms,
Speaker 3: go after you know, monopolies, but we're not gonna do
Speaker 3: it hard enough or swift enough to actually make real
Speaker 3: gains that impact people's lives. And we're going but we're
Speaker 3: gonna still piss off the one percent, and we're never
Speaker 3: going to gain popular support for these programs and for
Speaker 3: these things like stopping the price gouging or making sure
Speaker 3: that you know, you know, Apple and Google and Amazon
Speaker 3: are you know, have to break up or sell off
Speaker 3: certain companies or we're you know, we're suing them all
Speaker 3: that we're not going to make these very valiant policies
Speaker 3: that we are enacting actually popular because we're not gonna
Speaker 3: specifically vilify the one percent. Like in order to connect
Speaker 3: to people economically, you have to vilify the wealth. You
Speaker 3: have to vilify the one percent. It gives people something
Speaker 3: to latch onto, and that's you know, that's why Trump
Speaker 3: is so successful. It's because he's demonizing immigrants, trans people,
Speaker 3: women like we understand that, so give them the opposite,
Speaker 3: say the ninety nine percent versus the one percent. It's
Speaker 3: what catapulted the occupy movement into Bernie Sanders two time
Speaker 3: near electoral win.
Speaker 4: So it's just like, yeah, with the one percent, but
Speaker 4: the one percent is running everything, So how can we
Speaker 4: expect them to even have this like this one part too.
Speaker 4: Failure to address economic anxiety is another one where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: no shit, but again they just go on to just
Speaker 4: like talk around the issue. Another one is nine the
Speaker 4: breakroom versus the boardroom. Democratic economic messages often come from elites,
Speaker 4: celebrities and politicians rather than working class voices that voters
Speaker 4: can relate to. What you're saying is, yes, the party
Speaker 4: has been captured by the hyper wealthy, so you're inherently going.
Speaker 2: To have it communication to our.
Speaker 4: Wording, it's not going to with Rachel Pritzker or people
Speaker 4: of that ilk at the helm of a political party.
Speaker 4: They have absolutely this is so far.
Speaker 3: To get your vagina in a mirror. That's what I'm
Speaker 3: trying to say.
Speaker 1: Just say that.
Speaker 4: Just look at it for us, look at it for
Speaker 4: a second, and it'll be Actually.
Speaker 3: It's not nearly as nice as doing that, but like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's this is no one should take anything these people
Speaker 3: say seriously. And it's really annoying that the way that
Speaker 3: the political article was spun was made it seem like
Speaker 3: this wasn't the third way organization. Everyone knows a third
Speaker 3: way organization has been like tone deaf.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: The problem is is that people you know, like James
Speaker 3: Carville will pair it a lot of these points, and
Speaker 3: many people pair it these points, which is basically like
Speaker 3: we need to get rid of the racial justice component,
Speaker 3: which is not really even a component. It's just sort
Speaker 3: of a lip service that we pay to real equity
Speaker 3: in this country. Get rid of all that language because
Speaker 3: we weren't actually doing anything to implement it. Also hop
Speaker 3: on board with DEI programs, DIA programs, which are again
Speaker 3: stopgap measures that mostly make ourselves look better and so
Speaker 3: we don't have to address structural issues economic issues broadly,
Speaker 3: like this is. And then the last thing like don't
Speaker 3: make me look at twenty twenty five and like miss Obama,
Speaker 3: like don't make me miss the way. The one thing
Speaker 3: that Obama was actually able to do well, which was
Speaker 3: I think give some sort of narrative structure to this
Speaker 3: democracy that we live in is specifically when it comes
Speaker 3: to like multi racial democracy, a country that is still
Speaker 3: in formation, in the making, that is a sum of
Speaker 3: its parts. You know that it's best days are ahead
Speaker 3: and not behind. But truly with again this like call
Speaker 3: it it's not post racial, but of course in the
Speaker 3: minds of a lot of white people, this like post racial.
Speaker 3: Everyone's moving forward. You know, we can do it together.
Speaker 3: Like like it's just so wild that we live in
Speaker 3: a time where like two thousand and nine seemed really hopeful,
Speaker 3: you know, and and and I say that as someone
Speaker 3: who in two thousand and nine was actually not that hopeful,
Speaker 3: and of course was like everyone else many progress is
Speaker 3: very disappointed. But like, it's not that hard to have
Speaker 3: a narrative of multiracial democracy that is inclusive, where there's
Speaker 3: an economy that works for all people. It's fucking really
Speaker 3: simple to articulate that, and many politicians do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's like just something about this, especially in
Speaker 4: third way, and knowing how wealthy the people are behind
Speaker 4: it too, where like they they can they're reading the
Speaker 4: room that the clock is ticking for people like for
Speaker 4: just ignoring the wealth hoarding that's happening from the like
Speaker 4: the very wealthy. And I think they're trying to like
Speaker 4: dance around it in this way where they're like, ah,
Speaker 4: it's a problem, but I certainly don't know how to
Speaker 4: contend with it.
Speaker 2: That ends up with me having less than I already do.
Speaker 2: And that's that's a totally unspoken thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's because all this stuff just reads to me
Speaker 4: is it's pro inequality propaganda, Like all of these talking points,
Speaker 4: and if that's your worldview, if your pro inequality or
Speaker 4: just indifferent to inequality. All of these talking points are
Speaker 4: very easy for you to parrot and act like you're
Speaker 4: analyzing and observing a problem and that maybe there's something
Speaker 4: to be done about it, but you are falling short
Speaker 4: of the actual work of saying we actually have to
Speaker 4: begin to dismantle these structures if we want a tangible effect,
Speaker 4: if we want voters to actually have some kind of
Speaker 4: tangible outcome that they can then connect to this party
Speaker 4: and say, yeah, you know what, I trust them, I'll
Speaker 4: vote for them because I can see they understand what's
Speaker 4: at stake and they're contending with it rather than trying
Speaker 4: to be like, the problem is and this go. They
Speaker 4: say this in their document, small dollar donors, that's a
Speaker 4: thing to be It's that's a remedy they're putting in here.
Speaker 4: Revised democratic fundraising parties move away from the dominance of
Speaker 4: small dollar donors whose preferences may not align with the
Speaker 4: broader electorate. AKA, stop listening to the people who were
Speaker 4: trying who's trust we're trying to regain and just get
Speaker 4: all the money from our wealthy friends.
Speaker 3: It is a complete nonsensical document because it's just full
Speaker 3: of these hypocrisies, the small dollar donors. I eat many
Speaker 3: many people don't represent many many people. Right, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. No, nobody knows what you're saying. It
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. And again, this is what's gonna
Speaker 3: look guys, this is what gets us fascism, this kind
Speaker 3: of thinking. Yeah, lines in the sand have been drawn, y'all.
Speaker 3: There's a class war. Which side are you on? Okay,
Speaker 3: stop fucking caping like you care when you want to
Speaker 3: maintain you know, tax structure the way it is, when
Speaker 3: you're not actually really going to dress wealth inequality.
Speaker 5: Shut up.
Speaker 3: Just go over to the side of the room of
Speaker 3: the gymnasium with all the billionaires, because we don't need
Speaker 3: you anymore. We understand. Like truly though, I'm just like
Speaker 3: so sick of these people, you know, helping the Democratic
Speaker 3: Party and its tailspin, and it's their fucking noseedives because
Speaker 3: this is this is what the Kamala Harris campaign did.
Speaker 2: It's exactly what it thinks.
Speaker 1: Yes, the I mean so the playbook I feel like
Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party, both successfully and unsuccessfully, has been
Speaker 1: promised progressive change, like big radical change and then govern
Speaker 1: as a right leaning your photocracy and like that playbook.
Speaker 3: And not even really do the former, like not even
Speaker 3: really promised.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, just like gesture esthetically, Obama felt like
Speaker 1: he was offering revolutionary change, hope and change, you know,
Speaker 1: but then like not really in any sort of real way, did.
Speaker 3: I mean, like you know, was a good like when
Speaker 3: I'm I'm even again, I put Obama in a separate
Speaker 3: category at this point, like Kamala Harris did not run
Speaker 3: an Obama campaign at all. There was no big idea
Speaker 3: and again there was so much working against her and
Speaker 3: on and on and on, but like this is useless.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, I mean really, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: the because people have been fooled by this so long
Speaker 1: and like, yes, the Obama like ACA was something. It
Speaker 1: was also written by the insurance industry, and like I
Speaker 1: think the big original sin that people can't get past
Speaker 1: is the bailing out of Wall Street. And yeah, like
Speaker 1: but so the two options seem to be like promise
Speaker 1: progressive and then government progressive. If you're not going to
Speaker 1: do the promise progressive and then govern as a corporatography,
Speaker 1: it's promised progressive and then government progressive, or promise corporatography
Speaker 1: and govern the way you've always been governing, and.
Speaker 3: Which why would if you're a corporation, now, why the like,
Speaker 3: why would you ever throw it down with Democrats? Again?
Speaker 3: The the Republicans are promising you the moon and the stars, right,
Speaker 3: I mean they are truly doing you a massive service.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, unless you rely on things like
Speaker 3: snap benefits to underpay your workers so they don't come
Speaker 3: at you with a knife and shit, right, then that
Speaker 3: would suck for you Walmart and others. But like, again,
Speaker 3: the line of the sand has been drawn, and the
Speaker 3: corporations and you've got rub and Diego going and like
Speaker 3: trying to you know, fundraise with Marc Andreessen and other
Speaker 3: you know crypto crypto bros. And be like we're good too,
Speaker 3: and like you can't offer them what they want, no.
Speaker 4: And also like open up your let's let's see the
Speaker 4: donations you've gotten from that sector because we all know
Speaker 4: what time it is. They just bought you as a
Speaker 4: voice to normalize crypto for their own aim. And like
Speaker 4: we've talked about before, they were the biggest industry that
Speaker 4: was spending this last election cycle to get pro crypto
Speaker 4: talking points out to Democrats and Republicans. The one thing though, too,
Speaker 4: which goes along with all this. One of their takeaways
Speaker 4: for how they can rebuild economic trust is to quote
Speaker 4: number five, be pro aspiration and pro capitalism in a
Speaker 4: smart way. Recognize that working class voters value upward mobility
Speaker 4: and economic success, have a prosperity gospel well aimed at
Speaker 4: the working class, call out corporate abuses individually instead of
Speaker 4: attacking quote corporations as a whole. Now, pro aspiration is
Speaker 4: such a fucking violent, fucked up term in this context
Speaker 4: where it's like, not that you're saying, provide people with
Speaker 4: this tangible path. It's like they like upward mobility. But
Speaker 4: that's why we use the word aspirational because that doesn't
Speaker 4: mean you're delivering. That means you have the hope that
Speaker 4: it will happen. That doesn't mean you have to do.
Speaker 3: Use words like grindset, mindset more and uh you know life.
Speaker 4: Hack, Hustler of the Month is gonna get a Lambeau
Speaker 4: brought to you by the DNC.
Speaker 3: I mean truly, truly, it's like, like, okay, so instead
Speaker 3: of free college tuition, you want to lie to people
Speaker 3: exactly the way that Republicans lie to them, and no
Speaker 3: one's saying that the allure of a get out of
Speaker 3: capitalism free card or like being able to get a
Speaker 3: bunch of money through crypto doesn't exist precisely because of
Speaker 3: the moment that we're in, and then honestly precisely because
Speaker 3: Democratic Party has lost their way, you know, since FDR
Speaker 3: and since it's embrace of neoliberalism. But I'm very excited
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight for the fucking for Gavin Newsom
Speaker 3: to trot out Bill fucking Clinton again and again and again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 1: One of the things is like hanging out with like
Speaker 1: meeting them where they are at tailgates and gun shows,
Speaker 1: which is just and and I think small town diners,
Speaker 1: which first of all like.
Speaker 4: Leaning in tailgates, gun shows, local restaurants. This is written
Speaker 4: by the most billionaire motherfucker, like you know, tailgates and
Speaker 4: gun shows, local restaurants.
Speaker 3: And but it's all white coated, right, isn't that just
Speaker 3: white coded?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, this is all going for like conservative
Speaker 4: middle America.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, unsuccessful Democratic candidates have been trying to
Speaker 1: lean into gun culture and failing since Ducaccus in eighties,
Speaker 1: right when he drove that fucking tank, Like Carrie had
Speaker 1: an infamous gun photo op Kamala kept ragging about how
Speaker 1: she had a glock like it just it feels like
Speaker 1: they've got taken taken, Like the twenty twenty four election
Speaker 1: is just like, let's double down on listening to the
Speaker 1: exact wrong people who told us all the things that
Speaker 1: made us lose.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, then you also have like senators like Chris Murphy
Speaker 4: who are like kind of kind of like having an
Speaker 4: internal debate with themselves about seeing the light where they're like,
Speaker 4: I think it's like you gotta listen to like these
Speaker 4: poor people man, and like we're just not doing a
Speaker 4: good job.
Speaker 3: But also, shit, I'm like, so I'm hard to determine.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 4: People are like uh huh, yeah, I know, which is
Speaker 4: like it all feels performative because at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, like these people, their entire existence is rooted
Speaker 4: in the fact that this system stays the same. So
Speaker 4: I can't it's hard for me to believe that they
Speaker 4: now have this steal to go after to start to
Speaker 4: even begin to reckon with all of these structures that
Speaker 4: exacerbate the very income or the inequality that they're saying
Speaker 4: is causing a disconnect. It's like, well, we're not going
Speaker 4: to contend with the issue, but we need to figure
Speaker 4: out how to tell them that the sky is blue
Speaker 4: when this shit is black.
Speaker 3: Back in twenty twenty, I did a news Broke episode
Speaker 3: that was basically like how to Beat Trump and one
Speaker 3: of the bullet points, which is one that we just
Speaker 3: you could just erase this entire thing and just have
Speaker 3: one bullet point, which is be authentic, and I would
Speaker 3: revise that and just say believe in something, literally, believe
Speaker 3: in something. Pick a thing to actually believe in.
Speaker 2: Mess. We believe in Santa.
Speaker 3: For me, that's it exactly like, I don't even give
Speaker 3: a shit of it's Santa. If it's Santa, sell me
Speaker 3: on Santa, okay, but I need you to actually believe it.
Speaker 4: I think the thing about Santa, he's given too many
Speaker 4: handouts to people that don't deserve it. You know, wait, what.
Speaker 3: You're just boomerang that whole is a nice idea. That's
Speaker 3: a good concept, but really they should be earned stocking stuffers.
Speaker 3: And you know, if you don't pay into the stocking system,
Speaker 3: it should be sort of based on your own income.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how my toys.
Speaker 4: I just hate that they basically are taking treat human
Speaker 4: beings with dignity and respect and saying that this is
Speaker 4: radical far left thinking, Like because if you just tell someone,
Speaker 4: you don't have to evoke any kind of political theory here,
Speaker 4: just be like this, here's your platform. We believe that
Speaker 4: you have the right to healthcare without going bankrupt because
Speaker 4: your body gets fucked up from maybe the myriad of
Speaker 4: threat vectors we put in the environment to to you know,
Speaker 4: corporate activity.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 4: Healthcare, Okay, you should be able to have a roof
Speaker 4: over your head. If you would like an education, that
Speaker 4: should be attainable for you at any kind. You want
Speaker 4: to learn a trade, you want to go to university, Okay,
Speaker 4: we got that covered food. What else? Healthcare? Childcare, that
Speaker 4: your children will be safe. That's really those are so
Speaker 4: broad that it would be hard like you're not I mean,
Speaker 4: some conservatives will be like, we're trying to give a handout,
Speaker 4: but other people they are clamoring for things to be
Speaker 4: more affordable or their lives to be less shitty. Just
Speaker 4: articulate that in a way that is just talking about
Speaker 4: it's just like the basics.
Speaker 2: It's really just the basics, but it's it's much.
Speaker 4: Easier for it to get like sort of muddled in
Speaker 4: this kind of like think tank talk and then have
Speaker 4: places like Politico be like, all right, this is like
Speaker 4: this is kind of what might be the new normal
Speaker 4: way for the Democratic Party, or at least we'll give
Speaker 4: this the most attention. So no version that seems too
Speaker 4: fucking quote radical takes hold, and you know, people start
Speaker 4: looking the other also.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like if you really want to learn
Speaker 3: from the Republicans, because all this is is looking at
Speaker 3: the other side more.
Speaker 1: Like hey, they're good, and.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, I do understand this idea of like
Speaker 3: speaking to people wanting to get ahead and our intense
Speaker 3: individualism and all this and people liking money and people
Speaker 3: not wanting to collect. And that's going to take a
Speaker 3: long many years to rebuild that sense of collectivity of
Speaker 3: a real like yes, an American identity that is about
Speaker 3: equal protection under the law, that is about everyone getting
Speaker 3: an opportunity. Like there's been so much hollowing out of
Speaker 3: the government. Many people believe obviously all this shit is
Speaker 3: dead if it ever were alive. But I'm like thinking
Speaker 3: about it, and I'm like, okay, universal education, like free tuition, right,
Speaker 3: let's say community colleges, state schools to begin with, and
Speaker 3: if you don't want to take advantage of free university tuition,
Speaker 3: you can get money instead. It's like, so you get
Speaker 3: it's like putting money in people's pocket if you will
Speaker 3: love money and so it's like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: It's like something like that where it's like it feels
Speaker 3: like socialism also kind of exactly it Also if you
Speaker 3: don't like exactly, you could get money to go to
Speaker 3: a trade school or like start your own business right
Speaker 3: out of college or a high school, whatever you want.
Speaker 3: But we want to promote you going to school you
Speaker 3: freely and fair you know all that. We think everyone
Speaker 3: should have an economic I mean educational opportunity like that.
Speaker 3: But also here's money, like if instaid you don't like
Speaker 3: things like that, that would be an interesting creative way
Speaker 3: to address this moment that we're in, but also talk
Speaker 3: about what can actually solve you know, yeah, you know
Speaker 3: the moment that we're in.
Speaker 4: Or they talk about, oh, people love aspirational stuff and
Speaker 4: like they're driven or whatever. That's because there's no fucking
Speaker 4: middle class. If there was a middle class, people wouldn't
Speaker 4: be aspiring to be lambeau driving, like jet hopping, fucked
Speaker 4: with traffick because they look at that as being like, well,
Speaker 4: those are the people the option those are like if
Speaker 4: I want to go on a trip, like have like
Speaker 4: a nice dinner to look like I have to be
Speaker 4: hyper wealthy because my job that used to be able
Speaker 4: to afford someone a very normal, enjoyable life, that fucking
Speaker 4: vision is gone. So that's what they're aspiring to. It's
Speaker 4: not that they want, not necessarily, but the example that
Speaker 4: we have in society is that you must have X
Speaker 4: amount of dollars for this aperience to be enjoyable.
Speaker 1: Just those people, those people putting me in pain, and
Speaker 1: that's those are your two options. Be the one who's
Speaker 1: getting fucked over and scammed, or be the scammer or
Speaker 1: the person's like making all the money and else you're stupid.
Speaker 2: Is also part of it.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll say
Speaker 1: a quick goodbye to Skype. We'll be right back.
Speaker 5: Goodbye Scype, and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're we're back.
Speaker 1: Could see, Hey, what's going on up in Canada?
Speaker 2: Canada? Canada?
Speaker 1: So just an unintended outcome of Donald Trump's five D
Speaker 1: chess that is actually like half a dementsion.
Speaker 2: I feel like like.
Speaker 3: One dimension, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but like.
Speaker 1: Five D chess implies he's playing chess five moves in advance,
Speaker 1: and I think he is not even thinking about the
Speaker 1: move he's making as he's making it.
Speaker 2: I think it's less.
Speaker 4: No, he's moving the chess pieces on a board or
Speaker 4: they're like, bro, you can't do that.
Speaker 2: Punk can't move like a queen. Bro, yeah, I can't watch.
Speaker 4: It's like, bro, you you're gonna lose. That's all right, final,
Speaker 4: I'll do this. And he's like, that's not a good movie. Oh,
Speaker 4: we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: And then he just puts a handgun on the table
Speaker 1: and says, I can't oh yeah, oh no, that's a toy.
Speaker 2: That's clearly a toy gun. It's got the whole thing
Speaker 2: up there, all right.
Speaker 1: So he is basically and maybe there is an argument
Speaker 1: to be made that this is a successful five D
Speaker 1: chess thing, because the only thing that's gonna keep fascism
Speaker 1: alive is the continued survival of like neolib shit, you know, right,
Speaker 1: So maybe this is five I feel like this is
Speaker 1: what he's just like knocking shit over and it just
Speaker 1: keeps turning up like fucking aces for him. I'm just
Speaker 1: mixing all my table games here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But so a few months ago Trudeau announced he was resigning.
Speaker 1: A new party leader would be chosen, with an election
Speaker 1: happening at some point later this year. His unpopularity was
Speaker 1: like unprecedented. People were just completely out on his bullshit,
Speaker 1: much very similar to Biden. It was just he was
Speaker 1: incredibly unpopular. His policies like this sort of neoliberal angle
Speaker 1: of being like, hey, we want to help you. Here
Speaker 1: are some policies that help you, and then they ultimately
Speaker 1: just are means for funneling wealth towards wealthy people and corporations.
Speaker 1: People were like, fuck this, maybe maybe we need to
Speaker 1: And so the stage was set for a massive liberal defeat,
Speaker 1: much like we saw in the US. I know the
Speaker 1: margins weren't massive, but like when you take into account
Speaker 1: like what should have happened given Trump with platform, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really a massive defeat and complete fuck up
Speaker 1: by the Democratic Party. So now though that Trump has
Speaker 1: come into office and has threatened Canada with in every
Speaker 1: way basically I mean very implied implied military threats of
Speaker 1: being like we're gonna you're gonna be our fifty first state.
Speaker 1: But obviously the big one is the economic tariffs. He
Speaker 1: has come back and been like that this guy's an asshole,
Speaker 1: you know. He like did a direct address to Americans
Speaker 1: was like I'm sorry, you're doing this to yourself, and
Speaker 1: that has been incredibly popular in Canada. Everybody is like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess the election used to be about like domestic
Speaker 1: Canadian policies, but now it's all about fending off threats
Speaker 1: posed by the Trump administration. Their numbers has like shot.
Speaker 7: Up nothing like a common enemy, y yeah, exactly, totally
Speaker 7: to bring the people together, right, yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 7: the best thing that happened to Trudeau.
Speaker 4: It is wild when like I just you know, as
Speaker 4: our elections are happening, all like Canadians that game, we're like,
Speaker 4: we're right behind you, We're right behind you, we're about
Speaker 4: to go We're about to flop to the right also,
Speaker 4: and then it's just like it's just wild how the
Speaker 4: emergence of this ship had Trump immediately like what the
Speaker 4: fuck like and it just sort of immediately has people
Speaker 4: being like, right, hold on a second, this guy is
Speaker 4: a fucking loser and dangerous and all the people that
Speaker 4: are parroting that shit like in our country, like this
Speaker 4: is it cannot leap downever is going on.
Speaker 1: So the person who was like favored to take over
Speaker 1: for Trudeau was the head of the Conservative Party, Pierre
Speaker 1: Pollievit poly.
Speaker 2: Polly every poly evry Pierre. I don't know why he's
Speaker 2: a down Pierre.
Speaker 1: He was, you know, poised to coast to victory and
Speaker 1: now has completely had to revamp his strategy because his
Speaker 1: you know, in the run up to our election, like
Speaker 1: the thing he was that was giving him strength was
Speaker 1: that he was being repeatedly referred to as Canada's Trump. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now that's not good for him now that Trump
Speaker 1: has had a chance to be really bad at his
Speaker 1: job in the eyes of everyone, except for like the
Speaker 1: thirty percent of Americans who voted for him, you know,
Speaker 1: they're like, whoa, that that might be a very bad thing.
Speaker 2: It's it is interesting though, too.
Speaker 4: Everything Trump does has this weird effect of also doing
Speaker 4: the opposite thing. If he wants like where he's like, well,
Speaker 4: I'll abandoned Ukraine and now Europe's like, bro, we need
Speaker 4: to fucking we need to cut these Americans out of
Speaker 4: the conversation. Because they're going to fucking destroy everything and like,
Speaker 4: fuck fuck all this so and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: they're all they're getting each other's backs.
Speaker 2: Now this is different.
Speaker 4: And now with Canada, Trudeau merely just being like this
Speaker 4: is some bullshit, guys, and it was like, yeah, we're back,
Speaker 4: We're back, and Mike, look, a word of warning to
Speaker 4: the Canadians, man, do not let the presence of an
Speaker 4: aspiring fascist turn into a neoliberal honeymoon. Okay, the Democratic
Speaker 4: Party should have taken the biggest like a bigger l
Speaker 4: over what happened in twenty sixteen, but the presence of
Speaker 4: Trump made everyone nostalgic for the before times and completely
Speaker 4: lost sight of like what was ailing society and what
Speaker 4: actually needed to be addressed. So take the opportunity if
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know, it's not gonna be easy.
Speaker 4: But theoretically you could drive a stake into the heart
Speaker 4: of right wing extremism and meet people's needs. Okay, because
Speaker 4: if you let the rot of inequality continue, the fungus
Speaker 4: that is authoritarianism rule will have the perfect environment to
Speaker 4: replicate and thrive in and you're just gonna end up
Speaker 4: being the same place we are down the road, like
Speaker 4: it's not gonna be enough to be like, oh, thank
Speaker 4: god he's standing up to it. You now have to
Speaker 4: take the opportunity to like just fucking learn from this.
Speaker 4: It's because the Democrats did fuck all to address the
Speaker 4: needs of the people at the expense of the donor
Speaker 4: class that we're in this mess that we're in right now.
Speaker 4: And also just ideologically, it's impossible for them to bite
Speaker 4: the hand that feed. So we were fucked either way.
Speaker 4: But Canada, you already got a leg up on America
Speaker 4: in a few ways in terms of how you're treating
Speaker 4: your people.
Speaker 2: So just I'm just.
Speaker 4: It'll come back, though, if you know, if not, caras
Speaker 4: shit will come right back. They are waiting for material
Speaker 4: conditions to be bad enough for people to be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: fuck it, destroy everything.
Speaker 1: I wonder if we're gonna be able to if the
Speaker 1: US is going to be able to get out of that,
Speaker 1: because it is it does feel like the only thing
Speaker 1: that can make the idea of sort of that corporatocracy
Speaker 1: but democrat look good is what Trump is doing, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's doing the exact thing to make people be like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess to.
Speaker 4: The other thing if Biden was fine, Like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: guess no, it wasn't and it's not now. And I
Speaker 4: think that's you know, if I like, you think like
Speaker 4: the most cynical of democratic strategies would be going to
Speaker 4: these billionaires be like, look, dude, we need all y'all
Speaker 4: to like do token donations to bring your cred back
Speaker 4: up and and make people feel like you contribute to society.
Speaker 8: Just fucking just do these token offerings to just fucking
Speaker 8: bring the temperature down a little bit and say you're
Speaker 8: okay with that, and then we can if you're okay
Speaker 8: with just a little bit more taxes, we can just
Speaker 8: do some stuff that'll keep them at bay before they
Speaker 8: all fucking turn off us.
Speaker 4: That's but they can't even do that. They're just like,
Speaker 4: but Trump's bad. So you're like, well that, okay. There
Speaker 4: goes any opportunity to do anything, given the most cynical sense,
Speaker 4: to try and keep the fucking powers that be in power,
Speaker 4: because I mean, the road inevitably just ends this way, right,
Speaker 4: So yeah, all all.
Speaker 1: These countries have the entire economically populist lane to go
Speaker 1: down where you can create policies that actually benefit people
Speaker 1: instead of corporations and by the way, corporations are people too,
Speaker 1: So Miles, when you said Joe Biden didn't do things
Speaker 1: for people, you were meeting out a big chunk of
Speaker 1: the population. Thank you. I will refer you your honor,
Speaker 1: no further answers, your honor. But it's just so wild
Speaker 1: that like they are leaving this huge lane that has
Speaker 1: like proven to be popular in the past, with the
Speaker 1: Sanders campaign coming out of nowhere in twenty sixteen, doing
Speaker 1: remarkably well in twenty eighteen. But again, like to your point,
Speaker 1: I think people just lost their nerve because they were like, well,
Speaker 1: we got to beat him, and Sanders isn't gonna win,
Speaker 1: Like this is not a time to be taking chances.
Speaker 1: This Trump guy's indicates that he could. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Like everybody's playing the game too much.
Speaker 7: I mean, do you think that they the Democrat those
Speaker 7: in power, he didn't want to bite the hand that
Speaker 7: feeds them, actually would rather have Trump than Bernie.
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I mean probably, yeah. I think
Speaker 1: they probably know that Trump is better for there. They
Speaker 1: are so distinct from what you know, what Bernie Sanders
Speaker 1: and like what you know the the idea of a
Speaker 1: progressive politics that actually like is focused on helping people that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think there's anything about Bernie Sanders
Speaker 1: that appeals to mainstream Democrats, whereas with Trump it gives
Speaker 1: them something too in theory, you know, fundraise. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, like, in theory, run against but it's not
Speaker 1: even really running. It's just fundraising.
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 4: I got so many fucking texts during that address, begging
Speaker 4: texts from the Democrats, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: they're still they're so caught in their ways. They're like, yeah, fine, man,
Speaker 4: we'll just like people be freaking out again, and maybe
Speaker 4: we can get more money. Although now I think they're
Speaker 4: realizing people are so fucking disheartened by everything. Yeah, there's
Speaker 4: the money ain't flown in like it used to.
Speaker 1: They're willing to try anything except the Bernie Sanders thing
Speaker 1: that would actually work, because that is Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's the thing that we saw with Biden
Speaker 1: coming up against certain things and being like a.
Speaker 2: What can I do?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: I'm trying over here, and it's like, what's the unspoken thing?
Speaker 2: You're not saying? What what are you trying?
Speaker 1: And not able to like yes, there's Republicans in Congress,
Speaker 1: but it's also.
Speaker 4: What do you want me to do up end the
Speaker 4: status quo? Yeah, exactly, Yeah, And I think it's a
Speaker 4: basic thing. I mean, like, going forward, the only people
Speaker 4: who will be worth listening to or voting for are
Speaker 4: people who can just very simple premise. The status quo
Speaker 4: is violent, and it's killing people and every it's making
Speaker 4: everyone unhappy their meet their needs aren't being met, and
Speaker 4: we're so far removed from like the even what people
Speaker 4: call like the good old days when people could have
Speaker 4: like even like my my grandmother like was a fucking
Speaker 4: switchboard operator and shit, and my grandfather drove a bus
Speaker 4: like they were able to do shit and have a
Speaker 4: house even being black like that shit was kind of
Speaker 4: possible even then. We're so far from that in the
Speaker 4: progressive tax policy that we had then, we're just so
Speaker 4: if you're not if you're not willing to come to
Speaker 4: the table and be like, hey, guys, everything that's been
Speaker 4: happening for the last few decades, we have to reverse
Speaker 4: course on all of this. But that is just far
Speaker 4: too extreme a mess, like perceived as far to extreme
Speaker 4: a message from again, the stakeholders of our media and things.
Speaker 2: Like that, that it's just it's yeah, but that's really
Speaker 2: what it is. Someone who's like, we just need to
Speaker 2: change a couple of things. No, we don't. We need
Speaker 2: to change fucking so many things.
Speaker 4: And if you're not really saying that with your whole chest,
Speaker 4: don't waste people's time.
Speaker 2: Tweak the messaging. Tweak the messaging. Yeah, but think y'all
Speaker 2: get that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.
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