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Speaker 1: And welcome to Forties and Free Agents. I'm Greg Rosenthal

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Speaker 1: here with America's favorite draft analyst, Daniel Jeremiah. One of

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Speaker 1: my favorite days of the week, Forties and Free Agents Day.

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Speaker 2: Although it has been a tough.

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Speaker 1: Week for one of us here, Daniel, sad news came

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Speaker 1: across the NFL. It came during the league meeting that

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Speaker 1: they will no longer be using the chain game.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Sony announced it.

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Speaker 1: And you've built a nice little career here on with

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Speaker 1: Move the Sticks as your Twitter handle, And what are

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Speaker 1: you going to do now, buddy?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I appreciate everybody reaching out. You know,

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Speaker 3: I was not really ready to talk about it at

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Speaker 3: this point in time. I just appreciate if you respect

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Speaker 3: my my and my podcast privacy during these tough moments.

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Speaker 3: But I do want to thank the outpouring of so

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Speaker 3: portant love that we've received through and what's been a

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Speaker 3: pretty difficult week. Greg.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's think of the real victims here, you you know,

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Speaker 1: not the poor gentleman on the sidelines who are just.

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Speaker 3: Going to be there. They're still going to be there.

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Speaker 3: Their insurance, their insurance guys. Now you know what I

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Speaker 3: mean that if you need them. They're going to be

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Speaker 3: as reliable as ever, waiting on call, ready to go,

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Speaker 3: ready to deliver.

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Speaker 2: At least for one year.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, way back in the day, I

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Speaker 1: remember this, this good Twitter handle move the sticks popped

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Speaker 1: up on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Who is this guy? A mysterious scout.

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Speaker 1: Didn't reveal his name at first, had a lot of

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Speaker 1: good analysis, but I guess you can see true.

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Speaker 2: Your name it name?

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Come on on, you're ruining the vibe here.

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Speaker 1: Let's do a little news as we're starting to tape.

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Speaker 1: We learned and yes, rest in peace to the Chain Gang.

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Speaker 1: They had a good run. It's been a it's been

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Speaker 1: on a hundred years. Let's see if we've got a

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Speaker 1: lot of footage here, Abod it's shot that much footage

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Speaker 1: of the Chain Gang, it.

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Speaker 2: Was pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: We got some news on Thursday morning that the Patriots

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Speaker 1: are trading Joe Milton and a seventh round pick to

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys for a fifth round pick. The Cowboys just

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Speaker 1: love giving up picks for potential backup quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: They gave up on Andrey Lance.

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Speaker 1: He's no longer even on the roster, so Joe Milton

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Speaker 1: has one year with the Patriots, he ruins their chances

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Speaker 1: of having the number one overall pick because he beats

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Speaker 1: the Bills in Week eighteen, and then they get a

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Speaker 1: fifth round pick back for What did you make of this?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, I don't blame the Cowboys for

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Speaker 3: trying to, you know, upgrade the backup quarterback position after

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Speaker 3: Cooper Rush walked out the door, So made sense for them.

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Speaker 3: I think with the Patriots, obviously Drake May is that

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Speaker 3: guy and going to be that guy going forward. The

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Speaker 3: only thing I would have thought of from the Patriots

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Speaker 3: Drake May weren't to be able to trot it out

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Speaker 3: there for seventeen weeks, I think you get an opportunity

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Speaker 3: to display him again, and maybe that even goes up higher.

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Speaker 3: But you know, look, you got a chance to, you know,

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Speaker 3: with very little that he's had to play. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's hard to fault. It's hard to fault the Patriots,

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Speaker 3: and I totally get where the Cowboys are coming from.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the Cowboys are getting a lot of

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Speaker 3: grief for this. I mean, I've never understood that. I

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Speaker 3: remember having a conversation with Howie Roseman a long time

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Speaker 3: ago about the value of the backup quarterback and he's,

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Speaker 3: for the most part, has always had, you know, has

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Speaker 3: always paid that guy in that position. And he's like,

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Speaker 3: I can't understand how you know you could pay like

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Speaker 3: some of these other positions of lesser importance, this kind

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Speaker 3: we're cooked, Like that's it, Like, why would you not

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Speaker 2: They should invest, but it was weird to me.

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Speaker 1: The second Mike Rabel took that job, we immediately started

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Speaker 1: hearing like, hey, Joe Milton could be available. So for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, they just did not want to keep him

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Speaker 1: after one year. And he looked dynamite. In that one game,

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Speaker 1: he made a couple of throws that made Taylor Rap

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Speaker 1: as a penalty, So I don't know why they want

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Speaker 1: and that'll be their backup quarterback. It does feel like

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Speaker 1: you need another veteran in that room. But when I

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Speaker 1: this mean when it comes to Dak Prescott, Like it's like,

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Speaker 1: this is one of those stories that if it happened

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Speaker 1: thirtieth on the rundown.

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Speaker 2: But because there's nothing to talk about right now. Leaving

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Speaker 2: the show with Alough, I like, Joe Milton, I mean.

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Speaker 3: You want me to give you my Milton notes coming out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am curious about what you thought of him

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Speaker 1: coming out because they didn't even really get a clean

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Speaker 4: A full ye.

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Speaker 3: So for people forget like Milton coming out, he was

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Speaker 3: a little over six five, two hundred and thirty five pounds,

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Speaker 3: He's got big hands, ten and a quarter in chans,

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Speaker 3: big old mits ran four six tu it his pro day,

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Speaker 3: so he's obviously hightweight, speed, athleticism. Six years in college,

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Speaker 3: he was twenty four coming into the draft. Re member

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Speaker 3: I thought he had quiet feet, like he's real comfortable

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Speaker 3: wouldn't get deep through progressions. But like, just go out

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Speaker 3: spend a football, watch him run around. The talent was outrageous,

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Speaker 3: and he was a very gifted runner, although he was

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Speaker 3: a reluctant runner coming out, but that's an element to

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Speaker 3: his game. I thought wherever he got an opportunity in

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Speaker 3: Joe Milton's been a guy everybody's been dreaming on through

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Speaker 3: all of his collegiate career those six years. It was

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Speaker 3: Joe Miltoneer. It's always been potential, and then he just

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Speaker 1: It broke broke my son Walker's heart. He's a big

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Speaker 1: preseason guy. Joe Milton put up some nice preseason tape two,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not surprised that a team was interested at

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Speaker 1: least for that she pick. Let's talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the real news that came out this week. DJ

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Speaker 1: four point zero. Came out on Wednesday. Not a lot

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you asked that, because, in full disclosure,

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Speaker 3: want to be truthful and transparent here. I get this

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Speaker 3: How did these guys move up and down the board

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Speaker 3: and it's not specific to you know, just the media

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Speaker 3: Guys are going to move. You try and anchor the boards.

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Speaker 3: You don't have wild swings on there. But you are

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Speaker 3: have an opportunity to watch more players. From my side

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Speaker 3: maybe this will make sense if you're of our generation. Greg,

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Speaker 3: you probably did this as a kid. You probably more

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Speaker 2: But you take the change.

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Speaker 4: You take.

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Speaker 3: Remember when you were a kid, and you'd have like

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Speaker 3: the dimes. I can just kind of sort the dimes

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Speaker 3: Initially you go through, it's a it's like a broad stroke.

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Speaker 3: You get you know, you know, don't get as deep

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Speaker 3: and just okay, let me watch these targets for these

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're trying to say about me though,

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Speaker 1: that I'm doing it more than you. Maybe that you

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Speaker 1: were growing up in the lap of luxury down there

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Speaker 1: in southern California, and you know every piggy banks.

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Speaker 3: Every time, every time we go down to Tijuana, you

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Speaker 3: Man as a kid in San Diego, doesn't getting better

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Speaker 3: than that?

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, And hey, why not just watch more tape?

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Speaker 1: And sometimes he changed your mind if I found making rankings,

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Speaker 1: I'm always changing my mind based off the last thing

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Speaker 1: I saw about it.

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Speaker 2: It happens absolutely.

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Speaker 3: They think that you just whatever your first thought is,

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Speaker 3: that has to be gospel.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the big movements. Tem McMillan

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Speaker 1: dropped to eighteen. It wasn't a dramatic drop. I would say,

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Speaker 1: you've been a little lower than consensus on him throughout

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Speaker 1: if you kind of look at the rest of the

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Speaker 1: a top twenty player, which is great, but he did

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Speaker 1: start out as the second wide receiver behind Travis Hunter

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Speaker 1: for calling Hunter a receiver, and now he is the

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Speaker 1: fourth on your list. So I am kind of curious

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Speaker 3: Well, a couple of things. I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 1: Matthew Golden from Texas is at sixteen a Mika Buka

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Speaker 3: You're together. I'm a Higgins guy, like Higgins a lot too.

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Speaker 2: Your son's in the scouting department.

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Speaker 1: You're going to try to replace me at some point

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, he does the scouting like the

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Speaker 4: One of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, someone's got to be Let's talk about Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 1: He's up four spots to number thirty six.

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Speaker 1: I gotta admit it's the first time i've I've actually

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's hard to find any colleges nowadays

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Speaker 3: schemed up winners. There are opportunities where you see him

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Speaker 3: reading things all the way out. But gosh, Greg, there's

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Speaker 3: just not many times you see quarterbacks do that anymore.

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Speaker 3: So it's always going to be a little bit of faith.

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Speaker 1: And I see you have been thrown out the Jalen

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Speaker 1: I will say Jalen Hurts as a runner in college

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Speaker 3: But if you look at a lot of the traits

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Speaker 3: They're not looking to run out of bounds either one

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Speaker 3: each got better throughout their college career. Hurts was a

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Speaker 2: I see the vision. I think you got them in

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Speaker 1: It might be a little rich to take them too early,

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Speaker 1: but if you're get him at the back of the

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Speaker 1: of sense to try to develop him some cornerback moves.

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Speaker 1: I saw Benjamin Morrison, not a guy that has been

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have that type of juice, that type of

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Speaker 3: But that's my that's my lingering question that I have,

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Speaker 1: It runs April fourteenth. Is the Michigan protein.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just keep hearing about in.

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Speaker 1: This class like there's not these like blue blue chip guys.

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Speaker 1: Walter Nolan was a big riser up to twenty eight

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Speaker 1: And I should have mentioned at the top that we're

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Speaker 1: talk to Maurice Jones Drew.

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Speaker 2: And his show up is he here?

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Speaker 3: We need to do it.

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Speaker 1: There's been some negotiating behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: I knew there is we remem for to get him.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that we reeled in the fish. I

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Speaker 1: We do believe that he's going to be there. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to start with a question that the

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you about running.

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Speaker 1: Backs outside the top fifty, because this is a class

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Speaker 2: That's what's so great about it. It's deep.

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Speaker 1: And yet you know you got plenty in the top fifty.

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Speaker 1: You got four, But I'm curious about who's caught your eye.

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Speaker 1: Give us a little preview of who you like outside

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Speaker 3: First of all, I think I have five in the

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Speaker 3: to the test on Matthew.

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Speaker 2: You're actually right. I forgot about Caleb Johnson.

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Speaker 3: I think Caleb Johnson man. Can we get Gregor researcher?

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Speaker 3: Just let's just assign a researcher to him and let's

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Speaker 3: just as a pure runner, I'm a big fan of

438
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Speaker 3: him and what he brings to the game. I think

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Speaker 3: in that in that same tier you're talking about guys

440
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Speaker 3: like Trevor Etn from Georgia. Obviously everybody knows the family

441
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Speaker 3: name there. At almost five nine almost two undred pounds,

442
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Speaker 3: ran low four fours. He wasn't healthy all year. When

443
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Speaker 3: you do see him out there and he is healthy,

444
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Speaker 3: he's got some some burst to him, he's got some

445
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Speaker 3: bounce with the way he runs, he's got good vision

446
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Speaker 3: and feel. He's he's a really really good player and

447
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Speaker 3: a personal favorite of mine who I'm curious to see

448
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Speaker 3: where he goes. And I'm curious to see what our

449
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Speaker 3: guest thinks of him because I'm a I'm an RJ.

450
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Speaker 3: Harvey guy out of Central Florida. At five eight, two

451
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Speaker 3: hundred and five pounds, ran four to four flat. I

452
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Speaker 3: wrote my notes. He's like a mix of Tarik Cohen

453
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Speaker 3: as well as DeVante Freeman. It's like they kind of

454
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Speaker 3: squished him together. So a guy who runs just load

455
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Speaker 3: to the ground. He can he can get away from me.

456
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Speaker 3: He's got big time burst. They use him as a

457
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Speaker 3: wildcat vision. He can catch the ball. You'll see him

458
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Speaker 3: get out on wheels and and really track the football.

459
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Speaker 3: He just gets a little bit small pass protection, but

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Speaker 3: he is He's like of that group of guys. He

461
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Speaker 3: might be my favorite guy to watch.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know f did he loves like a short

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Speaker 2: running back, so.

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Speaker 1: Why I'm sure he likes it, and you could you

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Speaker 1: could be doing some research by the way, too. He

466
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Speaker 1: has his running back rankings out there and yeah he

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Speaker 1: does have Harvey pretty I I'm totally with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I was told.

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Speaker 3: I was alerted a long time ago by our expert

470
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Speaker 3: producer that there was a chance they were aiming to

471
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Speaker 3: angling to bring in MJD. And I like authentic podcast

472
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Speaker 3: slash TV shows where I can be surprised and I

473
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Speaker 3: want to I want to hear it first out of him.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to cheat the

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Speaker 3: system here.

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Speaker 1: That's outstanding and you can hear it first for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so with you on Dylan Sampson Man the way

478
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Speaker 1: the instincts that kid runs with.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, he just got something, I know in

480
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Speaker 2: a great conference. Yeah, I know he.

481
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Speaker 1: Didn't quite see the receiving, but like he seems like

482
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Speaker 1: he could do that too.

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Speaker 2: He he just seems like he has something there. So

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Speaker 2: I am with you.

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Speaker 1: The one question I want to ask about the top

486
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Speaker 1: two backs, which accid genty was incredible. It was fun

487
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Speaker 1: to finally like go through it and see how incredible

488
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Speaker 1: his balance is just so impossible. To get him on

489
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Speaker 1: the ground even when right, even when you tackle little

490
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Speaker 1: get him on the ground, the play just ends. He's

491
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Speaker 1: out of boundary, but he's standing up. But he's still

492
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Speaker 1: standing up and he's electric. And I thought Amari and Hampton,

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Speaker 1: I usually don't like like the big backs like that

494
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Speaker 1: who aren't going to make you miss, but man, he

495
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Speaker 1: was special too.

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Speaker 2: So to me, those are the big two and it's

497
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Speaker 2: a pretty big drop up.

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Speaker 1: I think Hampton is outstanding, and according to your rankings

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Speaker 1: you agree with me. The only question I have about

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Speaker 1: the two of them, are you at all concerned about the.

501
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Speaker 2: Huge workloads that they had last year?

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Speaker 1: Because if you were in the NFL and you had

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Speaker 1: the workloads that those two kids had, you'd be a

504
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Speaker 1: little worried coming back the next year. Is there is

505
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Speaker 1: there any concern that that they took a lot of

506
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Speaker 1: juice out of these kids to have the amount of

507
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Speaker 1: carries in the in the receiving that they had a

508
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Speaker 1: year ago.

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Speaker 3: A couple of things. Let's start individually here. Let's go genty.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I kind of liked the fact that

511
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Speaker 3: he wasn't in the you know, in the big ten

512
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Speaker 3: or the SEC so even though he was getting a

513
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Speaker 3: lot of workload and a lot of touches, I don't

514
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Speaker 3: think he was getting hit like he would have got

515
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Speaker 3: hit in those conferences. Obviously, he's built like a you

516
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Speaker 3: know what, brick house, so's he's and he doesn't take

517
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Speaker 3: because of the way he's built, and he's so compact.

518
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Speaker 3: He doesn't take a lot of big shots, So to me,

519
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Speaker 3: that's you know, I think he's kind of built for that.

520
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Speaker 3: Now again, are we talking about we get the second

521
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Speaker 3: contract discussions, that's we'll see. Time will tell nobody.

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Speaker 2: Can I can't worry about that now.

523
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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna have a heck of a run for

524
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Speaker 3: the next five years. I can tell you that I

525
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Speaker 3: I don't think he'll have any trouble staying healthy. And

526
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Speaker 3: then Hampton, I'll just give you one nugget on him.

527
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Speaker 3: I talked to the folks where he trained in the

528
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Speaker 3: pre draft process, and I asked him, I said, with

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Speaker 3: all this workload, They said, he came in and they

530
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Speaker 3: do a full medical check up on him and beause

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Speaker 3: they want to get these guys in the system. They said,

532
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Speaker 3: this guy did not have a hangnail, like he's a freak.

533
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Speaker 3: Like his body. After all that, he showed up and

534
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Speaker 3: he was like he had just taken two years off,

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Speaker 3: like there was nowhere and tear.

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Speaker 1: That is exactly five minutes. You nail it on the clock.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you. You know what you want to

538
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Speaker 1: see out of those guys. If if gent's playing against

539
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Speaker 1: lower competition, you could say Hampton's doing the same. Hampton

540
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Speaker 1: looked like a man amongst boys. He looked like the

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Speaker 1: best player on the field in so many of those games.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to watch the gent playoff game too,

543
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Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, they held him down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: He was the best player on the field in that

545
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Speaker 1: game too, even five tackles.

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Speaker 3: See it might only got eight yards on some of those,

547
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Speaker 3: but he had to go through five guys to get

548
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Speaker 3: those eight yards. It was an impressive game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 1: And I love that we're back in the NFL in

551
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Speaker 1: a place where running backs actually will get taken in

552
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Speaker 1: the first round. I think those two at least, well,

553
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Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We're gonna come back. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to maur east Jones Drew about his rankings,

555
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Speaker 1: about his mock draft, about his favorite running backs in

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Speaker 1: just a minute.

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Speaker 5: There's a very easygoing guy that likes to have fun

558
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Speaker 5: and just you know, hang out with friends. I have

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Speaker 5: a dog, you know, puggle. A lot of people don't

560
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Speaker 5: know about those yet, but I have a puggle to

561
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Speaker 5: you know, just like to hang out and just relax.

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Speaker 5: It's a mix between a pug and a beagle. So

563
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Speaker 5: it's pretty it's pretty weird, but a lot of people

564
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Speaker 5: starting to get him now. So I think I started

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Speaker 5: a trend, yeah, said trend we've always been, you know,

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Speaker 5: I try to set a trend in LA with the dreads.

567
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Speaker 5: It's not really working too well right now, but I

568
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Speaker 5: think it might come in a little bit later.

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Speaker 3: So fantastic. I've never seen that before.

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Speaker 1: That is from two thousand and six. That's our guest.

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Speaker 1: That was his first interview at the Combine with the

572
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Speaker 1: NFL network. Who knew he would be working with us

573
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Speaker 1: all those years later?

574
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Speaker 2: Did you make the dreads trend? Like they're no longer there?

575
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Speaker 4: Obviously we see our colleague and coworker, Mike Robb have dreads,

576
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Speaker 4: So I feel like, you know, it kind of went

577
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Speaker 4: a little more national. We we we thought it was

578
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Speaker 4: just going to be an LA thing, and it kind

579
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Speaker 4: of blew up to more of a national thing. So, uh,

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Speaker 4: it is what it is, you know, the puggle the

581
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Speaker 4: puggle thing blew up though. The puggle thing, like I

582
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Speaker 4: want to say, parents, I've never heard of. It was

583
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Speaker 4: like crazy, it was crazy. I think she saw that

584
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Speaker 4: interview was like, let me see what this little things about?

585
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Speaker 4: What the prettiest dog. But you know how like pretty

586
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Speaker 4: people get ugly.

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Speaker 3: It's like the Paris Hilton, like Nicole Ritchie, like is

588
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Speaker 3: this like those days?

589
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Speaker 4: Okay those days? And so we were trying to because

590
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Speaker 4: I was then, I had to have a puggle to

591
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Speaker 4: balance balance out that he was ugly. So I was

592
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Speaker 4: handso and made created balance.

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Speaker 1: But that's what you're bringing to the show. DJ said,

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing a personality. That's what I bring, not not

595
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Speaker 1: analysis or good look.

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Speaker 3: Loose definition of personality on that one.

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Speaker 1: By way, m Viddy one of my favorite people at

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Speaker 1: NFL Network. We do the games for the international audience

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Speaker 1: on Monday Night. But he is a running back through

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Speaker 1: and through. He's a running back expert, and the assignment

601
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Speaker 1: desk put him on the case to make some.

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Speaker 2: Running back rank.

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Speaker 1: So we're just gonna talk running back to this kind

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Speaker 1: of the running back show, Maurice. But we're gonna put

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Speaker 1: up the four guys that you said were Day one

606
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Speaker 1: starters for this draft. That's Ashton Genty no surprise there,

607
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Speaker 1: Traveon Henderson from Ohio State, quinch On Junkins, his teammate

608
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Speaker 1: from Ohio State. All guys that are in DJ's top forty.

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Speaker 1: And then a little bit of a surprise here Cam

610
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Speaker 1: Skataboo as the fourth guy on your list, and you

611
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Speaker 1: actually have him ranked a head of Judkins. So let's

612
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Speaker 1: just have a Skataboo conversation. It's been too long, like

613
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Speaker 1: why is he in that tier for you?

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Speaker 4: So two things. Being from the Bay Area, I have

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Speaker 4: a lot of friends that know him, that have watched

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Speaker 4: him when he was at Sack State that kind of

617
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Speaker 4: balled his career from the North Bay all the way

618
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Speaker 4: to Arizon the State, and everyone's like, you got to

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Speaker 4: watch this kid, you gotta tell us about him. So

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Speaker 4: I tried to hold off because you don't want the

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Speaker 4: outside influence. But when you turn on the tape, he's

622
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Speaker 4: just a pure football player, period, point blank. There's nothing

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Speaker 4: about his game that you don't like. Obviously he doesn't

624
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Speaker 4: have the long speed, but you can set is right there,

625
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 4: the short area of quickness, the contact balance, the competitive spirit,

626
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Speaker 4: he finishes every run. He's tough to tackle. And then

627
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Speaker 4: listen to this DJ. This is the one thing I've

628
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Speaker 4: always tried to tell people. Look at the college playoffs,

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Speaker 4: which teams had success, right, the ones that had tough

630
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Speaker 4: running backs and you look at this. This dude here

631
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Speaker 4: took over the Texas game. I mean, who doesn't want this?

632
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Speaker 4: I just like, and this is not even looking at

633
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Speaker 4: anything else. Just watching tape. I found myself late at

634
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Speaker 4: night watching scatterbo tape. That play right there is really

635
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Speaker 4: what kind of took me over the top. The way

636
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Speaker 4: he finishes runs. I mean, it's just he can play

637
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Speaker 4: in any system that you want him in. He doesn't again,

638
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: the long speed is a concern, but to me, he

639
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: can go to anywhere and start right now. Be a

640
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 4: third down back pick up blitz is everything you'd be

641
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Speaker 4: looking for.

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Speaker 3: I want to jump on on this, MJD. So I'm

643
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Speaker 3: going to give you something to aid your argument here.

644
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Speaker 3: So they question, did Arizona State win their conference the

645
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Speaker 3: Big Twelve?

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Speaker 4: I have no idea they did.

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Speaker 3: They did, They won the conference, they made the playoff,

648
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: They almost knocked out Texas. Do you know how many

649
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: of Cam Scataboo's teammates got combine invitations?

650
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Speaker 2: Zero?

651
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: One man band and he almost they almost took down Texas.

652
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Speaker 3: If they don't get a fourth down conversion late in

653
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Speaker 3: that game, they move on. They take out Texas and literally,

654
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever seen a team, especially

655
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Speaker 3: with this new obviously is new with this new playoff,

656
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Speaker 3: but as competitive as college football is and as much

657
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Speaker 3: as you know the powerhouse programs have been able to

658
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: coalesce talent like we've never seen it like this. You

659
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 3: see it in the Final four right now, Like this

660
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: was a one man bent that had one combine invitation.

661
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Speaker 3: It was him and he almost bowled his way through

662
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Speaker 3: the Texas Longhorns with a stacked roster. That's a big

663
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Speaker 3: feather in his cap.

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Speaker 4: For sure. He could catch the ball out of the backfield.

665
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Speaker 4: He can run rouse like a wide receiver. Like I said,

666
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Speaker 4: he he does everything. And I guess watching all these

667
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: running backs watching his tape. I've talked to probably twelve

668
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Speaker 4: running back coaches in the NFL and they all look

669
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Speaker 4: at me crazy. But then when they go and watch

670
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: the tape, they're like, this is the type. This is

671
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Speaker 4: what you're looking for at a running back, right this

672
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 4: is this is the vision. The short area of quickness,

673
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Speaker 4: the ability to break tackles, to push guys forward, finish forward,

674
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Speaker 4: everything that you want in a running back.

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Speaker 1: Scatabo has I agree, like the creativity, the vision, like

676
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Speaker 1: he makes space. I think more than some of the

677
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Speaker 1: guys that are ranked highly. I'm with MJDM. I'm breaking

678
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Speaker 1: the tie here. I would put him over Travon Henderson.

679
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Speaker 1: I would put him over Quinnchod Jenkins. And I know

680
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Speaker 1: you look at him and you think they're maybe bigger, faster.

681
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Speaker 3: What I'm saying that you're splitting the tie. When MJD

682
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Speaker 3: agrees with me and has Trayvon Henderson over the scattered

683
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Speaker 3: that's one.

684
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Speaker 2: So you're losing here.

685
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Speaker 3: Two of them have one guy, one has the other.

686
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Speaker 3: You're on the wrong.

687
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Speaker 4: Side the matter.

688
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Speaker 2: My point is that he is. He is up there.

689
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Speaker 1: Like MJD has him in his top four, he has

690
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Speaker 1: him as a true day one starter type of guy.

691
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Speaker 2: You don't have him in the top fifty. To me,

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to go.

693
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to go in the top fifty. Yeah,

694
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to go in the top fifty.

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Speaker 3: But I think he's a I think he's a really

696
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Speaker 3: good player. He's just outside that for me. I think

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Speaker 3: he's going to I think he's most likely going to

698
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Speaker 3: go in the third round. And I agree that he

699
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Speaker 3: does all those things well. He does not have the

700
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Speaker 3: juice that you're going to see guys traditionally have that

701
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Speaker 3: go in the top three rounds. It doesn't mean he's

702
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Speaker 3: not going to be a great player. He's like, to me,

703
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Speaker 3: he looks like James Connor if you left him in

704
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: the dryer too long him jd Hey.

705
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Speaker 4: So this is the thing. It's so funny when I

706
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 4: do the rankings. It's not about where they get drafted.

707
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: It's about of course, right, I just like it. I

708
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: think that's where it gets twisted because this is a

709
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Speaker 4: draft show, right, So it's like, well, why don't you

710
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 4: have a Marion Hampton in this way? He's gonna get

711
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Speaker 4: drafted higher. He probably is going to get drafted. I

712
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Speaker 4: actually have him one lock draft going to Denver later

713
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Speaker 4: in the thing. So it's not that the kid is

714
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Speaker 4: just when you look at his tape, Scatabo's tape and

715
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: you look at Hampton's tape, completely different players, completely different

716
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Speaker 4: players and a completely different running back. To me that

717
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Speaker 4: I think scata Bow kind of just shows a little

718
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: bit more. Now you said Trevion Henderson, listen off of

719
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Speaker 4: just pass blocking period.

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Speaker 3: He's he's almost number one animal, almost number one freaking

721
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Speaker 3: he almost MJD, Shawn Marry and some dudes in that

722
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Speaker 3: tape like he attacks dudes like I've seen him.

723
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Speaker 4: I've seen guys go between that guard and tackle gap

724
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Speaker 4: and then there's nowhere to be found outter that like

725
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Speaker 4: they get, they get, And so I again, like before

726
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Speaker 4: I do the rankings, I kind of call some of

727
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Speaker 4: my mentors and old coaches and see, to a man,

728
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Speaker 4: every coach that I talked to that watched his tape

729
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Speaker 4: was like, he's number one on the board just off

730
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Speaker 4: of pass blocking in general. Wow, right, because again, you

731
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Speaker 4: got to protect the money, you got to protect the quarterback.

732
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Speaker 4: You know right away that he has the will, he

733
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Speaker 4: has the want to and he knows where he's going

734
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Speaker 4: with the You've seen him scan. He'll and back from

735
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Speaker 4: right to left and pick up guys like that alone,

736
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Speaker 4: just off of not even touching the ball. They were like,

737
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Speaker 4: he's he's a top guy on our board just because

738
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Speaker 4: of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't think he's as creative like

740
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: making guys miss, but he's good enough.

741
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Speaker 2: He's big, fast, drunk, Like I get it. Why he's

742
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: a home run hitter, right would.

743
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Speaker 1: Be so high and yet home run hitting I feel

744
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: like it's a little overrated. It's a lot about I

745
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: doesn't have the long speed that comes up a handful

746
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: of runs every year, and it's nice if your guy

747
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: can go sixty five and like like MJD used to

748
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Speaker 1: do instead of forty.

749
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Speaker 2: But you're happy with that forty.

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Speaker 1: And the guys that you say don't get taken in

751
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Speaker 1: the first three rounds a lot of times, like a

752
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: Kyron Williams or I guess he went third round, but

753
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: not not early. Those are the guys that are more

754
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Speaker 1: effective on a down to down basis, and that's why

755
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Speaker 1: I like Scott.

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Speaker 3: I also think though, to me, I think it's become

757
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: more important to have to have some juice. And I

758
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: think that to me when you see as much too

759
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 3: high safety stuff and it's not I know, Greg, you're

760
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Speaker 3: talking about like, okay, turning a forty into a sixty

761
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Speaker 3: now with two high safeties. I'm talking about turning a

762
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Speaker 3: four into a twelve, like just like those yards, if

763
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Speaker 3: you got somebody can go get him right now. I

764
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Speaker 3: think there is value in having guys, and I think

765
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Speaker 3: jimior Gibbs, obviously what he's meant to the Lions has

766
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Speaker 3: everybody's trying to in it easier said than done, but

767
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: people are trying to find that. They're trying to find

768
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Speaker 3: that type of juice and burst to add into their offense,

769
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Speaker 3: knowing we're going to get these lighter boxes and stuff,

770
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Speaker 3: so I don't want a guy to kind of plow

771
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Speaker 3: his way through and get me five yards. I think

772
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Speaker 3: these guys can can make up for some of the

773
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Speaker 3: explosives I'm missing in the passing game because they put

774
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Speaker 3: a roof on everything.

775
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Speaker 2: That's a that's a good point. You have a future

776
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Speaker 2: in this business.

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Speaker 4: I like that point.

778
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: You kind of convinced me. MJD.

779
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Speaker 3: Though, by the way, by the way, one quick hold,

780
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Speaker 3: I'm cutting you off because I want to ask MJD

781
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Speaker 3: one thing because I'm always looking for new scout terms.

782
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: So when pass protection, like when he hits guys, you'll

783
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: hear guys always say like it was a yard sale, right,

784
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: you know, like the ear piece going, or like you

785
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: guy just he just hits something that looks like a

786
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: yard sale with him. I watched it and I was like,

787
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Speaker 3: I can't even say this in report because it can't

788
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: explain it, but I'm like, it looks it looks like

789
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: the when he hits guys, it looks like the matrix

790
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: looks like, oh my god, like this kind of like

791
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Speaker 3: blow whichever kid.

792
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Speaker 4: I don't I don't even know what team it was.

793
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: It might have been like a purple. I don't even

794
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 4: know it was. Some guy ran in between the B

795
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Speaker 4: gap and you had showed it on like Instagram and

796
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 4: he hit this kid and I was like, someone go

797
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: check on him. Like he got up and he kind

798
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 4: of did his thing, but he took football. That's a

799
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Speaker 4: great that's a great term that they say you take

800
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 4: a little football out of people when you hit him

801
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 4: a certain way. Treyvon Henderson takes football out of kids.

802
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 4: Every time he passed blocks. I mean like, you're not

803
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 4: going to rush the same way. You're not gonna blitch

804
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: with the same intent. You're gonna be looking for him

805
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: as as you again, like he's coming and you can't

806
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 4: see him from all these these big linemen that he

807
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 4: comes out of nowhere and he's just like it's like,

808
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: oh so, I don't know, man, you loved I loved

809
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 4: that part of his game. Like I said before, that

810
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 4: alone almost had him up their tier with with gent.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, where did you I know, Greg I'm hijacking your hair,

812
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: but I know we're probably supposed to get into this.

813
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go off, But where did you have him

814
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: go in your mock?

815
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 4: Because there you know you're going to go to Bears

816
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: see see.

817
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: And I honestly, and I'm sure you'll probably get some

818
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: blowback on that. It feels a lot like Jamir Gibbs,

819
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: where like I had him ranked and I'm like, gosh,

820
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: I love Traveon Henerson. He's for me. Where is he? Greg?

821
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Speaker 3: You probably have my list. He's probably like early thirty yeah,

822
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: early thirties. And but if you if we woke up

823
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: on the day after the draft, then he was the

824
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 3: tenth pick, Like I wouldn't I wouldn't shock me at all.

825
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm gonna break some news for you. I'm

826
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: not saying that they're going to do that or not.

827
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Speaker 4: But the running back coach the Chicago Bears texted me

828
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Speaker 4: in the middle of the night all the time about

829
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 4: certain people and we've had we had a good thirty

830
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: minute conversation about his blitz pick up. And that certain

831
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Speaker 4: running back coach was Eric Bienemy, who coached me in college,

832
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 4: and his number one rule was if you can't block,

833
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: you can't play. So I can tell you right now,

834
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 4: no rock Yeah, no blocking, No Rocky. And we're just

835
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 4: showing his ability here to make guys miss and his

836
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: patience and he has all that good stuff. But I've

837
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: talked to a bunch of running back coaches from all teams,

838
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: college coaches, everyone talks about his past pro and that

839
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 4: to me, we know in the NFL. Look, it's one

840
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 4: thing to be able to do something with the ball,

841
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 4: but where you really separate yourself in the NFL is

842
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: what you do without the ball, and that ability Beck

843
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams. Again, a lot of my mock draft was

844
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: about protecting the quarterback or helping the quarterback. Well, if

845
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 4: you're talking about Caleb Williams, who got sacked at gazillion times,

846
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: people who are blitzing him, you put a running back

847
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 4: in there that you know and wants to go and

848
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: willing to go and pick up blitzes. You got to

849
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 4: do the third down back then go in there and

850
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 4: step in right away.

851
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 3: For you, as they like to say, Greg, that's the

852
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: last butt between you and the defense is the running back.

853
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 3: So I prefer him to be able to block.

854
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: He I mean, you could see that he's going to

855
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: have a roll right away. You got to be worried

856
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: a little bit, MGD. If Eric b Enemy listens to

857
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: forties in free agents, whether you're still going to be

858
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: getting these texts late at night.

859
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 4: Oh that's all good. I mean, that's my guy. You know,

860
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: we were at UCLA. Didn't work out. I'm really sad

861
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 4: about that. But he's he's still you know, a guy

862
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 4: that I lean on a lot. There's a couple others.

863
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: I won't say any more names, but there's a couple

864
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 4: others that I lean on a ton when it comes

865
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 4: to the running back position.

866
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Speaker 1: So if they take him ten, that would be interesting.

867
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: He did have some nagging injuries. He was never the

868
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: guy at Ohio State was always sharing the workload, so

869
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: you haven't seen that. And where I disagree with you

870
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: the most on your rankings, MGD. And I like that

871
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: you're not trying to be like the consensus. You're clearly

872
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: just saying what you believe, and that's more accurate for

873
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: I think how evaluators are around the league. There's a

874
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: lot more disagreement than I think we see in some

875
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: of these consensus boards and everything.

876
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: But you Haveio Hampton.

877
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Very fairly low, and DJ was talking about how you

878
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: need some juice at the position, and I look at

879
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: Amari and Hampton and I think, man, it's not always

880
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: the type that I love, but you see it. I

881
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: could see him going number ten to the Bears because that,

882
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: to me, looks more like a guy with next level

883
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: ability as a runner. And he made some of those

884
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: opponents in the acc look like children among men, and

885
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: he was the man.

886
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 4: No I listen. I tell people all the time again,

887
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 4: this isn't Those rankings are just what I see and

888
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 4: how I see it. I know he had a great season,

889
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: but it's tough when you see a fellow running through

890
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 4: gaping holes. A lot and a lot of it is

891
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: scheme based, right. My concerns with Hampton was just his

892
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 4: start and stop. He's not He's a guy that has

893
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 4: to be on the track, and when he's on the track,

894
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: he's gonna be tough, tough to tackle. When he has

895
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: to stop his feet, it's hard for him to kind

896
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: of get back going again. It reminds me a lot

897
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: of Derek Henry and the reason and I want people

898
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 4: to understand this. I had Derek Henry ranked high because

899
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 4: Dereck Henry was six four to two hundred and fifty

900
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: pounds ran a four or five. And when he's on

901
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: his track, Dereck Henry is hard to stop. But if

902
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 4: you ever notice when people get around his feet and

903
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: he has to stop his feet, he gets tackled very easily.

904
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: And I saw a lot of that with Hampton. And

905
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 4: again it's not to knock what he's doing is just

906
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 4: The NFL is such a start stop league, especially at

907
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: the running back position, with stunts and the way defenses

908
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: are firing and blitzing and doing different things. You just

909
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 4: have to be able to start and stop a little

910
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 4: bit more. And again if you get with the team

911
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 4: that you know if he goes to the Broncos. Sean

912
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: Payton did a great job with mark Ingram, who was

913
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: very similar where you get him downhill, you get him

914
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: rolling a little bit that goes, but it again, it's

915
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 4: just for me. It was a start and stop that

916
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: really hampered me to have him at number seven.

917
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: How would you compare him personally to Jonathan Taylor when

918
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: he was coming out?

919
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: So I had John, I had him at six. I

920
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 4: had Jonathan Taylor six, and people thought I was crazy.

921
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 4: But again it's it's about the system fit that you

922
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: have to go to Jonathan Taylor.

923
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: Look at that's my point.

924
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 4: He went to the Colts. They had a great offensive line.

925
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor, when he stops his feet not as good

926
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 4: compared to some of the other guys.

927
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: But he's a great runner, right exactly.

928
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 4: And so when you get him to where he doesn't

929
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 4: have to stop, he's one of the best. But I

930
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: don't know what team was going to draft him. I

931
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: don't know where he's going to go. And if you're

932
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 4: just watching the taper saying, look, do we have the

933
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 4: offensive line to create holes or like what kind of

934
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 4: what is And again, when he's on his track, no

935
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: one's tackling him. It's just when he has to stop

936
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 4: his feet or like a guy flashes in front of him,

937
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: he's easier to tackle. Right.

938
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: I think you have to be special to be an

939
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: exception and be that style of back and make it work.

940
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: But he looks like he could be in that category

941
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: where he is the exception you had. You had defenders

942
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: just just bouncing off him at time, and I thought

943
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: he was pretty good at picking a hole. But like,

944
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: if he lands with a team like the Rams, Like

945
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: I could see him like Todd Gurley running down the field,

946
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: not that he would.

947
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: I don't think the Rams are looking for a running back,

948
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 2: but that's style.

949
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: I was looking at it. I was looking at him

950
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 3: with the other LA team. It's a compliment to nausey

951
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: because they want to play it physically. Those are two

952
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: physical backs, but two different backs. Yeah, but like if

953
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: you want to lean on people and where people with,

954
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: you know, with Alton Mackay Beckton lining up next to

955
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: each other, like let him let those guys get creases.

956
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: To me, it would be like you almost have nausee

957
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: kind of body blowing people to death and all of

958
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 3: a sudden that crease. Hampton hits that crease and he's gone.

959
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 4: Well, that's why I sent them to the Broncos. I

960
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 4: sent them to the Broncos, just real quick, Greg, just

961
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: because if you look at their running game, it's a

962
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: lot of downhill. They have really their really strong interior

963
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 4: guard to guard. You can kind of get him going

964
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: and more people down. And we know how it is

965
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 4: in Denver. You have to have a good running game

966
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 4: if you're the Denver Broncos. That's the way you've had

967
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: the most success. Even when they won their last championship

968
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 4: with Peyton Manning, c J. Anderson was killing people right,

969
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 4: So if you can get a good running game going there,

970
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 4: you have a great opportunity. And then obviously with Williams

971
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 4: going to the Cowboys, I thought that was a good slot.

972
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: Shout out to CJ. Anderson.

973
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: I love a good random like Super Bowl run solid

974
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: for a running back. How about Sony Michelle, Yeah, you

975
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: could have had Lamar Jackson in that draft. There were

976
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: rumors for some reason the Patriots might take them. You

977
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: pass them, But Sony Michelle got you that last title bill.

978
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: According to punditry. According to the punditry rules, the fact

979
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: that Sony Michelle has a ring and Lamar Jackson doesn't,

980
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: that's punditry rules. Now that that means that he's a

981
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: better player than Lamar Jackson.

982
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: That people that dog that pick. It worked out for

983
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: that year. It was worth it.

984
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: You got you got a ring. More to come on

985
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: forties in free agents.

986
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: Back in a.

987
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: Minute, we are back on forties and free agents. Uh,

988
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: no love for Caleb Johnson for you from from Iowa, Maurice.

989
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: This is the one top fifty guy that we haven't

990
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: really talked about. You have him at forty five DJ,

991
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: another guy that might depend on the scheme a little bit.

992
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: If he gets in a zone scheme. Seems like that

993
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: would be a good fit. Yeah.

994
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: Well, again, I think that's the tier that you see

995
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 4: guys in when you're when you if you can't play

996
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: in every system, you can't be explosive in every system.

997
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: It's gonna be tough to me. This guy is Aaron Foster.

998
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: That's what he is. Guess what. Aaron Poster went on Draft,

999
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: got with the great system and became one of the

1000
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 4: best running backs that I had to compete against. Came

1001
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 4: one of the top rbs in the NFL for multiple years.

1002
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: The thing that I have with Caleb is there's just

1003
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: no change of pace, right, There's no when he goes,

1004
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 4: it's the same pace throughout. There is no like if

1005
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: you watch RJ. Harvey or if you watch an Asking Genty,

1006
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 4: or if you watch any of the guys, there's a

1007
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 4: change of there's a change of pace when they take off.

1008
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: With Caleb, it's kind of the same pace, which is

1009
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 4: great for the zone system. And I think, again, I've

1010
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 4: talked to a lot of coaches around the league and

1011
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 4: they all see the same thing, Like he has a

1012
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: great job of being patient, his long stride. His style

1013
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 4: fits more of a zone system, which a lot of

1014
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 4: the league runs, but not everyone, and so when everyone

1015
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 4: doesn't run it, you can't fit everyone's system. To me,

1016
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: you drop down a little bit.

1017
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: Two things for me, MJD. Number One, I love the

1018
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: fact obviously as you played and in this role now

1019
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: where you're having to do what you do on the

1020
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 3: scouting set of teams, which is ranked teams, ranked players.

1021
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: I think you appreciate it that when you don't have

1022
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: a scheme or a team and you're asked to stack

1023
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: players and then you can be held accountable for this

1024
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: player did well and this player didn't. I'm like, yeah,

1025
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 3: but I don't. I don't know the fit like that,

1026
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: that's not the right fit or this is a perfect

1027
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: fit for this guy. That's why he's going to do

1028
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: really well. That's one of the challenges. I don't think

1029
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: that like the people from the outside that don't make rankings,

1030
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: and Greg has to do it in free agency as well.

1031
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: That and I'm not saying like, oh, just absolve us

1032
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 3: of every bad ranking we've ever had. That's not what

1033
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 3: I'm saying, but it is a challenge when you're not

1034
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: with a specific team, when you're stacking players.

1035
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: Oh, no question. I mean you just talked about Jonathan Taylor.

1036
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 4: I had people telling me how crazy I was that

1037
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor was six. I go, He's playing at Wisconsin

1038
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: and the size of this room I'm in, those are

1039
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 4: kind of holes he was running through, like like five six.

1040
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 3: But the holes he has an MJD has a big house.

1041
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: If you don't know, so I don't.

1042
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 4: But anyways, I'm just saying that. And then so what

1043
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: if he went to New York where they weren't as

1044
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 4: big of holes, or what if he went to the

1045
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 4: Jets where they struggled unning the football? Right? And then

1046
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 4: all of a sudden he goes to the Colts and

1047
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: everyone's like, well, you had him six. Well yeah, if

1048
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 4: I would have known he was going to the Colts,

1049
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 4: I would have for sure put him in the top

1050
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 4: one or two because they had a great offensive line

1051
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: at that point, right. And so it's just one of

1052
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 4: those things, like you said, you're trying to figure it out.

1053
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 4: But like I said, with Caleb, I thought he was

1054
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 4: very productive the scene, the system fit hit what he

1055
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: was doing. And if you're the NFL, that's what you're

1056
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 4: gonna look at, like, does he fit our system? That's

1057
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 4: how we're gonna rank guys. I'm not going to put

1058
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 4: Caleb uh into Ah. You know, I don't know uh

1059
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: Downhill Baltimore Ravens system. That may not fit what he does. Right,

1060
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: He's more of an outside zone. He's going to press

1061
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 4: the whole cut. He see the hole. He has great

1062
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 4: vision he has he's a great feel for finding the

1063
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: wave and following the double teams. And that's what you

1064
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 4: want to get him into.

1065
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you better have a big house. What was

1066
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: that holdout for with the Jaguars? If you don't, I

1067
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: mean you earned it.

1068
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: H Greg. You know that.

1069
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: There's there's two types of people in this world. Greg.

1070
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: There's the type of people that have to go get

1071
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: their hair cut and there's the type of people that

1072
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: have them come to your house and cut your hair.

1073
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, MJDS, I go to the shop.

1074
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 4: I go to the shop. That really Yeah, I'm a

1075
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 4: shop guy. You see.

1076
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: My line is where is the shop on your property?

1077
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: By the way, is that towards the towards the back

1078
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: of the property.

1079
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 4: I wish, I wish.

1080
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: We're supposed to talk about your mock draft, and we will,

1081
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: but I this is the only time we're going to

1082
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: get deep into the running backs on this show. And

1083
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: you have such a great eyes front. I could tell

1084
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: DJ is really lightening up when when he has someone

1085
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: that he actually respects to talk to on this show.

1086
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of these running backs that

1087
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: you like that are pretty high on your rankings. DJ

1088
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: gett Ins from Kansas State and R J. Harvey from UCS.

1089
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: And you were excited about R. G.

1090
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: Harvey.

1091
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: You have him five and six on your rankings. So

1092
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: just give me a little flavor of why you like

1093
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: these guys.

1094
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know driven a stick. Any of

1095
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 4: them here ever driven a stick?

1096
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: Yes, my first three cars were all sticks.

1097
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, me too. Like you know how you can

1098
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 4: control the car and you can slow it down and

1099
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 4: you can get it going if you want to race,

1100
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 4: Like I was like a young kid racing people in

1101
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 4: my little Demu that I had probably was like a

1102
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 4: B four, but I was making it sound like it

1103
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: was a B tip. That's what RJ. Harvey is. He's

1104
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 4: a V ten. Like when he gets going, it is

1105
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 4: see you later. And I got a chance to really

1106
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 4: watch him during the season because my agent was recruiting

1107
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 4: the obvious, so he went with another guy. You know,

1108
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 4: my agent was sad about it. But when you watch

1109
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 4: his tape again, it's it's just about the tape and

1110
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: I know we're gonna show some b roll here when

1111
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 4: he gets going, when he decides to go, it is

1112
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 4: good night. And you talked about and DJ's talking about juice.

1113
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 4: That's all this is. You give him a scene and

1114
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 4: he's gone. He could catch the ball out of the backfield.

1115
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 4: He can run inside, he can run outside, he can

1116
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: make you missing a phone booth. He can do everything

1117
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 4: you want. Yeah, he's a smaller guy, and I get that,

1118
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: but again, there's a there's a change of pace. Can

1119
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 4: we show some be roll here? Do we have some

1120
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 4: b roll of our Harvey just so we get do

1121
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 4: we not? We don't have it.

1122
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of budget you think we're

1123
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: working with him.

1124
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 4: I saw the Kayla can't little bit all the job. Listen.

1125
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 4: When you watch his tape, it reminds me of just

1126
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 4: like he's like, oh.

1127
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: Just imagine it, just everybody, just imagine what.

1128
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: This here ahead, MJD.

1129
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: If you don't say that, they can add the post

1130
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: and then it's also a podcast. I'm happy if you're

1131
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: checking us out on YouTube, check us out an NFL network.

1132
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: But we got the most people listen to it as

1133
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: a podcast, and you're ruining it by call it.

1134
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 4: It's okay listen, okay, so here, close your eyes while

1135
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 4: you're driving. Then, since you want me to help you out,

1136
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 4: you can visualize this, Okay, Imagine being in a Corvette

1137
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 4: and you decide to just step on the gas. Right

1138
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 4: you step on that gas, car's gonna like kind of

1139
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 4: rep up and then go right. He's not that. When

1140
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 4: he steps on the gas. It is no revving up.

1141
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 4: It's like he is taking off right now. He's off

1142
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 4: the line. He is rolling. And so I've seen him

1143
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 4: make people shut it down, which to me is with

1144
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: DJ's point at the two high safeties. If you get

1145
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 4: a guy that I've seen again, I call it answered

1146
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 4: the rams. I've seen Kyron break thirty yard runs. Those

1147
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 4: thirty yard runs are gonna go ninety right like again,

1148
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 4: if you have the crease and he can fight it

1149
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 4: and he can go, he's gonna go ninety to the house.

1150
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 4: And that's what coaches want, is that if you're a coach,

1151
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 4: I don't want to call anymore players. I want to

1152
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: be able to hand the ball off to you and

1153
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 4: you go ninety if possible. RJ. Harvey has it and

1154
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 4: then Gettings on the other side I put on this tape.

1155
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 4: He was a little banged up throughout the year. I

1156
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 4: think he had like a wrist or a hand or something.

1157
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 4: But I've never seen anyone at his size stop and

1158
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: start and make people miss like he does on a

1159
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: consistent bring. He is slippery at that size, like a

1160
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 4: guy will be coming full speed and he'll just slam

1161
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 4: on the brakes and then he'll just take off again

1162
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 4: like again. The start, the stop and start, to me

1163
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 4: is what the NFL has become. If you ever if

1164
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 4: you watch Saquon Barkley and a lot of his long runs,

1165
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: a lot of them are starting stop and start, like

1166
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 4: he'll stop, then he'll explode out and he'll be gone.

1167
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: And so to me, when you look at Gettings, he

1168
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 4: just has that suddenness where like a guy's I mean,

1169
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 4: he can make you miss at the last second. To me, uh,

1170
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 4: that's special. I think he ran a four four forty

1171
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: or something around there.

1172
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: He ran four four to three as a speed.

1173
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 4: He has the ability to stop and start like man

1174
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: and then again. And I don't like to knock colleges,

1175
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 4: But I don't know who was at Kansas State this year.

1176
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: I really have no idea because I was just watching

1177
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: the running backs. But it wasn't like he was running

1178
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 4: through gaping holes, like he was sliding through holes and

1179
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 4: making people miss. And so to me, when you watch that,

1180
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 4: I've gotten into some disagreements with some scouts that I

1181
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: know that I've grown up with or played with, and

1182
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 4: they're like, oh man, I was like, listen, I don't

1183
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 4: care what you're talking about. To make a person miss

1184
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: at full speed is incredible. Not many people can do it,

1185
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 4: and this guy hasn't.

1186
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: It's his last name of color. By the way, the

1187
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 3: person you're referencing anyway, the I'm already inside MJD's head.

1188
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: I know who he's talking about. Pola's referencing. So I

1189
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: just kept that on the DL. But to me, the

1190
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: interesting thing about him too, MJD is he's kind of

1191
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: he's a little upright, but a lot of times you

1192
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 3: get upright guys they're stiff. He's a loose, fluid, upright

1193
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: runner who's able to kind of his slithery can make

1194
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: you miss, which is an unusual combination when you watch him.

1195
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I thought of I don't even know

1196
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 4: who there was a plows just chart. Like you said,

1197
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 4: I when I look at most guys like high cut

1198
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 4: and kind of like they run straight up.

1199
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: And down the line, they're linear guys.

1200
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 4: Him linear guys, right, not not the guys that can

1201
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 4: move and you know, flow like some of us. Anyways,

1202
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: to see him the sut like like I said, it's

1203
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 4: just certain things that you see in a like a

1204
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 4: word pops up. You rarely hear sudden, but that's what

1205
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 4: you hear with him like that. And then he's off

1206
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 4: going somewhere else, and then he's making guys miss. And again,

1207
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: I think again, in the right system, I don't know

1208
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 4: what system that would be, but he could be a

1209
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,959
Speaker 4: real valuable player for a big team.

1210
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you on Harvey by the way too.

1211
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: I think he would be a fun fit in one

1212
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: of those schemes where it's a lot of RPOs and

1213
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: you have a running quarterback and you combine him with

1214
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: the Jets. Maybe they don't use a running back ear.

1215
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: You combine in with Justin Fields and what they're trying

1216
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: to do, or the commanders if they want to look

1217
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: at kind of a long term echo Li replace and

1218
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: you put him with jayde Daniels. That would be explosive.

1219
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: Let's get to the mock. Let's talk a little bit

1220
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: of the mack. You have a lot of surprising picks

1221
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: here and I like it.

1222
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: MJD.

1223
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: He knows what matters in mock season. It's getting a

1224
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: little attention for the mock. And he puts Ted McMillan

1225
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: at number five for the Jaguars. He has Shuter Sanders

1226
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: number three to the Giants. Travis Hunter falls all the

1227
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: way to seven to the Jets, which would be interesting.

1228
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: Trevon Henderson we mentioned before at ten, Membu falls to

1229
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: the Saints at number nine, which they would absolutely love.

1230
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: But since you're mister Jaguars, and I don't know if

1231
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: you still have a lot of moles inside that building,

1232
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: but you are mister Jaguar. You know they've had a

1233
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: regime change. I'm guessing you do. I that's the pick

1234
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: I go to just as a consumer immediately, Oh who

1235
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: does who does MJD have go into the Jaguars. Interesting,

1236
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: you have Tech mc millan going there.

1237
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 4: Well, if you look at Liam Cohen where he came from, right,

1238
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: he came from Tampa where they had Godwin and Mike Evans. Well,

1239
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 4: you already have Brian Thomas Jr. Who has that jump

1240
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 4: ball six' five big. Frame you saw how they Used Mike.

1241
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 4: Evans and to, me this is all About Trevor Lawrence's to,

1242
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: me this pick is all about putting players Around. Trevor

1243
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 4: up there goes the b. Roll see that's, crazy that's either.

1244
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 4: Here they're. There but this pick is all About trevor

1245
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 4: and Getting trevor and making him the most comfortable that

1246
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 4: you can make. Him you've let all these, Guys Christian

1247
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 4: kirk has, gone you have all these different. Things put

1248
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 4: a playmaker around him and let's watch his young head

1249
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 4: coach call plays with all these new toys and this

1250
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: new weapon and make them. BETTER i, mean let's be,

1251
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 4: honest The jags have been, close but this is the

1252
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 4: time now for you to take the top off with

1253
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 4: two explosive players THAT i believe could really change the

1254
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 4: trajectory of The.

1255
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 3: Jaguars, yeah what about him? Though give me, him give

1256
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: me reasoning on him Over travis? There why not just

1257
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: Make travis your receiver and take him?

1258
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 4: There, WELL i Think travis is a, luxury, RIGHT i

1259
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 4: think he's a luxury when and, again when you talk

1260
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 4: about being the best, player you can play offense and,

1261
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 4: Defense but that size is hard to come. By Right,

1262
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 4: again in THE, nfl there's not many six four, corners,

1263
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 4: right there's not many six two. Corners so to have

1264
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 4: a guy that's legitimately six' five that you could throw

1265
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 4: jump balls to in the red zone that you can

1266
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 4: do some, different things, to me it just it just

1267
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 4: it just it made more sense to See The mike

1268
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 4: evans cop and and kind of Picture what tampa was

1269
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 4: like last Year with Baker where baker threw, forty touchdowns

1270
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 4: to see that kind of comp Go With liam kohn

1271
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 4: because that's what, he was that's where.

1272
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: He, was like If the patriots Pass On travis hunner

1273
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: and Then the jaguars And the raiders Pass On, travis

1274
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: hunder what are we?

1275
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 4: Doing?

1276
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: Here people they all. Need him and this is.

1277
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 4: The thing you look At the raiders and again a

1278
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: TEAM that i grew up LOVING and i, played for

1279
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 4: we Know What pete. Carroll wants they want a physical.

1280
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 4: Running game they have a great weapon In. Brock, bauers

1281
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 4: already you Brought In. Geno smith they don't have a.

1282
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: Running Game And pete carroll out, of everybody he loves

1283
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 4: to run the football and. Play defense and so THAT'S

1284
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 4: why i. Went there the only thing With the PATRIOTS and,

1285
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 4: i again this is. The problem when you have a

1286
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 4: corner receiver that can do a little bit, of everything

1287
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 4: someone has to protect. The quarterback like let's Remember drag

1288
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 4: may was running around for his life. Last YEAR and

1289
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 4: i know the TACKLE from lsu has short arms or

1290
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 4: that's what, everyon saying he's a short, arm guy whatever it.

1291
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 4: May be, but, listen well you have to protect. Your

1292
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: QUARTERBACK like i would love To Have, Travis hunter but

1293
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 4: what's the purpose of getting HIM if i can't get him?

1294
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 4: The football, last year like calling games For Drag may

1295
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 4: wo Again the rams Played. The patriots he was. Running

1296
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 4: around either the ball was getting out in a two,

1297
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 4: step Drop which i've never, seen before or he was

1298
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 4: scrambling round like a chicken with his head. Cut, off

1299
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 4: eventually we got to protect.

1300
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 3: Our, guy well one of THE things i Do when

1301
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 3: i'm Doing the charger games and getting ready. FOR it

1302
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: i TRY and i study the, offensive LINE and i

1303
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: TRY and i try and circle. THE guy, i like

1304
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: this is, The, mark like this is the. Guy, that

1305
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: okay let's see where they want, to move, you know whoever, It,

1306
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 3: is khalil, mack bos whoever, they want this is the guy.

1307
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: To ATTACK when i Did the, PATRIOTS game i, was,

1308
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 3: like well wherever, you want there's. A lot there's a

1309
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 3: lot of points of entry here along this. Offensive LINE

1310
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: so i get what. YOU'RE saying i think in The ideal,

1311
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 3: patriots world you would trade, back though like you want

1312
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: to Get, Either, campbell. Membu whoever but let's let's get some.

1313
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: Extra value let's trade back a, little bit not necessarily

1314
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: have to do. It There but MJD's not gonna do all.

1315
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 3: The trades. He's not he didn't need to get that

1316
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: complicated in.

1317
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 4: This listen i'm TRYING to i try to do a

1318
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 4: little bit here. AND there i can't do the double

1319
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 4: trade Where the texans. Trade up they're at two and

1320
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 4: they trade up to three and they picked the top

1321
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 4: two guys and get. IT right i just can't. Do

1322
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 4: that that's a that takes a lot to. Do it,

1323
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 4: you KNOW my mob draft is more of Based on

1324
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 4: i'm looking at, The team i'm looking at what they

1325
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 4: did last year and then where's. Their need, And Again,

1326
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 4: TRAVIS hunter i think is is probably the. TOP receiver

1327
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 4: i just think that when you have a coach that

1328
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 4: played with two big giants like he Did, in tampa

1329
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 4: tet dismatches more Of What mike. Evans was and when

1330
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 4: you see, how like it just reminds me Of When

1331
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 4: liam cohen through the little five yard route To Get

1332
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 4: mike evans his thousand yards to keep it? Going right

1333
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 4: did you see how excited? Everyone? Was like did you

1334
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 4: See HOW and i get and that when you bring

1335
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 4: human nature, into it, Is, like okay you see these

1336
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 4: two giants running down. The field you don't think that'll

1337
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 4: help your quarterback to. Become better and so, to me

1338
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: that's kind OF what i was thinking with THE The t.

1339
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 4: Mac VERSION plus I Know T mac i coach Against

1340
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 4: t mac in. High school i'd Love for temac to

1341
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 4: come To the jags and get.

1342
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: Us, right yeah and LOOKING at i just get.

1343
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 3: INTO it i would JUST eventually mjd is going to park,

1344
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: that car, you know and that was where it landed.

1345
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 3: Right there he'd known him since he was. A kid, Go, ahead.

1346
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah so at least he's talking about his. Biases openly

1347
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: one of my biases IS telling dj He's Got mason graham.

1348
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: Too HIGH so i like that you didn't even have

1349
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: him in your top ten in the mock so And

1350
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: No kenneth grant apparently You. Hate Michigan jday barrion is. Thirty,

1351
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: first overall. That's interesting and then we didn't notice. A

1352
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: trend i do have a small, research department and they

1353
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: came up with the trend that there was a lot

1354
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: of similar picks between you and DJ's, mock draft a lot.

1355
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: Of copying twelve picks actually. WERE technical i know you've

1356
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: been traveling around. The world you don't GOT the lsu tackles,

1357
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: Name HERE so i don't, BLAME, you mdd but we

1358
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: just noticed twelve picks are.

1359
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 4: THE same, I staid i'm not, gonna cheat. You know

1360
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 4: but also at the, same time it's like that does,

1361
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 4: make SENSE and i think that's what a lot of. Those.

1362
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 4: WERE like i didn't really go mock draft. FIRE fire

1363
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 4: i wanted to. Make sense used to, go heavy you

1364
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 4: used to get high.

1365
00:57:59,120 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: On you you kind.

1366
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: Of, Bet yeah i've told a little because, you know

1367
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 4: the comments start to get to you after a couple.

1368
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 4: Of years, you know.

1369
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: Everybody says it doesn't. Bother them they all said it doesn't,

1370
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: bother them and they jump IN and.

1371
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 4: I again, i agree it. Bothers ME but i would

1372
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 4: like there was A run I think i did or

1373
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 4: edges late and, then LATE and i kind of to,

1374
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 4: be honest working For, THE rams. I hadn't i have

1375
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 4: no idea WHO the rams are going, To TAKE like

1376
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 4: i don't know who's going to be there If t

1377
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 4: mac falls and yeah, That's AWESOME like i have. No

1378
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 4: idea but when we, got THERE when i got TO,

1379
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 4: THE rams i, WAS like i have no idea who's

1380
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 4: available and who they're going. To take AND so i, just,

1381
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 4: like hey go With edge. Rusher again, Forget it like

1382
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 4: get Another? Edge rusher? Why not like you can't have

1383
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 4: you can never have enough. Of THOSE and i think

1384
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 4: that's kind of where, you know you saw some of

1385
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 4: the similarities go on some of. Those teams it's.

1386
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 3: Just chance it's A random, i mean, come on that's

1387
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: just a. RANDOM chance mjd knows the beauty of a.

1388
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 3: Mock draft my son used, this TERM which i had never,

1389
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: heard before but apparently it's.

1390
00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 4: Very.

1391
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 3: POPULAR greg i think we talked about, this before but

1392
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 3: HE was i turned in my first mock draft. This year,

1393
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 3: he goes you put any rage bait, in THERE and i,

1394
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 3: was like, Rage, bait like you got to get some

1395
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 3: rage bait in there that gets everybody all. Stirred UP

1396
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 3: so mjd knows there's about before you need about four

1397
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: like four Like, The Jets oh Jets And. Travis hunter

1398
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: that's a week worth of content For The new. YORK market,

1399
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 3: i mean that's.

1400
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 4: Name is, Out there your name is out there for.

1401
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 4: A while it's it's going to. BLOW up, I mean

1402
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 4: shador sanders to, the giants even though after they, you

1403
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 4: know EVEN though i did this mock draft two, WEEKS

1404
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 4: ago i finished it two weeks ago and it's just now.

1405
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 4: Being published, you know this Is before Jamis. And Russell,

1406
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 4: but Chador like, Prime, said Shador with Jamis, and russell

1407
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 4: that prayer is going to. BE easy i can't wait

1408
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 4: to get the glimpses of that competition all over. THE

1409
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 4: place i can't.

1410
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: Wait love To See brian davil manage. That group but

1411
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: it would be a great landing spot.

1412
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: For him, and yeah, Rage bait LIKE mj d has

1413
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: been doing rage bait since before that was. A term

1414
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: MD's entire life walking around is. Rage bait we're in

1415
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: a studio named for My Friend, chris WESSELING and i

1416
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: remember the first few times HE.

1417
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 2: Met mjd, he's like what's up with?

1418
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: This guy this guy's this guy's, a jerk LIKE because

1419
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: mjd is going to give the business to everyone, six minutes,

1420
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: you know six, months later a, year later we're we're

1421
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: great buddies WITH. With mjd and he thinks he's a.

1422
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: Great guy but rage bait is BASICALLY how. Mjd lives it's.

1423
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 4: Called, Competition right and some people are nice in, their COMPETITION.

1424
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 4: Right dj some people like and we're all open, to

1425
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,959
Speaker 4: arms like come on, With that, LIKE me i got

1426
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 4: to see what you're made of FIRST before i can

1427
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 4: really let you into, the group Right and, greg over,

1428
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 4: You know greg almost got kicked out of the group,

1429
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 4: This year just so, you know we Almost take greg

1430
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 4: out Of the monday night Group because greg never wanted

1431
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 4: to show up until he needed Me and bridget or

1432
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 4: you needed myself in bridget to kind of join and

1433
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 4: do one of. His podcasts then he magically showed up

1434
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 4: to do a Show. On monday so Just remember greg

1435
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 4: only uses you until he.

1436
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: Needs you oh this is this is.

1437
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: Complete nonsense but the running back analysis was. Pretty awesome it,

1438
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: was great adding another great into. The mix, Thank, You maurice.

1439
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: THANK you dj will be Back next thursday with another

1440
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: Episode of forties And. Free agents we are getting close

1441
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: TO The, NFL draft us a few episodes left before the.

1442
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: Big day