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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds and Reuter's IPSOS poll showing Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>hit a new low with an approval of thirty six percent.

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<v Speaker 1>We have such a great show for you today. The

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<v Speaker 1>Majority Reports own Sam Cedar stops by to talk the

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<v Speaker 1>unprecedented corruption in the Trump administration. Then we'll talk to

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<v Speaker 1>the levers David Sarota about his amazing new reporting on

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<v Speaker 1>the unitary executive theory and it's threat to our democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>But first the news.

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<v Speaker 2>Mai.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to read you a headline. I need you

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<v Speaker 3>to tell me if it's good or bad. I just

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<v Speaker 3>can't decide. I'm a fed center here today. The Treasury

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<v Speaker 3>just declared the US and solve and the media mist

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<v Speaker 3>it seems bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Again. I am not an economist, but it seems not good.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a conclusion drawn from the Treasury Department's own

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<v Speaker 1>consolidated finance statements for the fiscal year of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>They were released last week. Basically six h six trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in total assets against forty seven point seventy eight

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<v Speaker 1>trillion in total liabilities. By the way, this forty seven trillion,

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<v Speaker 1>really almost forty eight trillion doesn't include the unfunded obligations

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<v Speaker 1>of Social Security insurance problems like Social Security and Medicare.

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<v Speaker 1>They're in a different off balance sheet statement. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk this through. I think this is one of these

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<v Speaker 1>headlines that it's sort of for the algorithm. It's meant

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<v Speaker 1>to catch your attention. But the larger point that America

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<v Speaker 1>has too much debt is an important one. And you'll

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<v Speaker 1>remember that Republicans they often run on making the debt smaller,

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to get rid of the debt, and often

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<v Speaker 1>they instead grow the debt. And so one of Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's things was that he was going to work on

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<v Speaker 1>the deficit, lowering the deficit. Maybe he didn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's sort of He said was that, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans tend to criticize Democrats for spending, but in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is in the middle of a warrant that

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows why we're doing it, and is costing a

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars a day, one billion dollars a day. That

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<v Speaker 1>is quite a lot of money, and the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>we're in this war nobody knows. So we are in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment where we're really just spending money that has

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely makes no sense, and it's just a completely insane

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<v Speaker 1>way to run a country. And you know, it's only

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<v Speaker 1>going to get worse because Trump is paying solar companies

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<v Speaker 1>not to do projects, He's incentivizing oil companies. He's making

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<v Speaker 1>all of the dumbest of dumb decisions.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, speaking of the GOP, senators are admitting that Trump

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<v Speaker 3>blocked the deal to partially fund the DHS, even though

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<v Speaker 3>he keeps saying it's the Democrat shutdown, it's the Trump shutdown.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this is amazing. John Kennedy, who is a

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<v Speaker 1>member of Congress from Louisiana, writes books, appears often on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News, famous for getting Christy Nome fired basically by

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<v Speaker 1>asking her where the two hundred and twenty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>When he's talking to Will Caine, Fox News's own host,

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<v Speaker 1>not yet a member of the Trump administration, but probably soon,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, quote, the Democrats have offered to open

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<v Speaker 1>up everything, but Ice ted Cruz, and I said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's accept their offer. At the same time, we would

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<v Speaker 1>do a bill for reconciliation for the ICE money. That way,

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<v Speaker 1>we're out of the shutdown and DHS is back open,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we have airports at work again. And Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Soon submitted that to President Trump, and he said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no deal with Democo. So instead he sent ICE to

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<v Speaker 1>airports where they are arresting mothers and also just wandering

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<v Speaker 1>around talking on their phones, right, I mean talking at

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<v Speaker 1>their phones, looking at their phones, wearing bulletproof vests in

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<v Speaker 1>a place that you can't have a gun, looking ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>where I mean, you know, but at least not wearing masks.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, our next sunline is literally that they're not

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<v Speaker 3>doing anything but playing Candy Crush and they're getting nothing

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<v Speaker 3>done here.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that there's anything wrong with Candy Crush this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We support Candy Crush. You should support us again. Candy

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<v Speaker 1>crushing it.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard you've been candy crushing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless Candy Crush is paying me. I'm not candy crushing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not candy crushing for free baby.

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<v Speaker 3>But the point being, we're now two days into this

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<v Speaker 3>and we're seeing ICE doing nothing at these airports aside

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<v Speaker 3>from standing around and not helping these wait times go down.

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<v Speaker 1>Wrecked. Lots of good photos of them looking very bored. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing that is that's actually pretty sticky for

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is that you have these guys who we were

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<v Speaker 1>told had to be in masks because of Docsing. Now

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<v Speaker 1>they are out there and they're not wearing masks. Which

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<v Speaker 1>is it, do we have to protect their identities or

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<v Speaker 1>do we not have to protect their identities when they're

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<v Speaker 1>in the airport because they might not be doing crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Look.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump weighed in on his social media saying he's

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<v Speaker 1>a all caps, big proponent of all caps ice wearing masks,

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<v Speaker 1>but he'd greatly appreciate all caps, no masks when helping

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<v Speaker 1>our country out of the democratic mess at the airports.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what branches Republicans control, Jesse all three?

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<v Speaker 3>Supreme Court two. Yeah, And you do have Steve Batten

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<v Speaker 3>saying that this is the trial run for the elections,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, so far, if this is the trial

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<v Speaker 3>run for the elections, it seems like it's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people just getting pictures of these people.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm excited. At least they're not wearing masks. And

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<v Speaker 1>the way times, by the way, are real long. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to an airport, get there seven thousand years early.

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<v Speaker 3>In one of my group chats, people have spoken of

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<v Speaker 3>getting there three and a half to four hours early

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<v Speaker 3>and barely making their flights.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Good stuff. So as a reaction to this, we have

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<v Speaker 3>Delta Airlines suspending airport perks for members of Congress until

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<v Speaker 3>the shutdown is over.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, good for them, Yeah, good for them. Here's the TSA.

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<v Speaker 1>The newest recommendation from the TSA recommends getting to the

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<v Speaker 1>airport four hours before your flight. Four hours. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>four hours. Many of these flights, most these flights, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're flying in America, are under four hours, but you

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<v Speaker 1>should still get to the airport four hours early. It

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<v Speaker 1>is just incredible stuff. But good for Delta Airlines. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if the Congress is not going to fund the airports,

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<v Speaker 1>then Delta should not be giving them any free orange juice. Correct,

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<v Speaker 1>no orange juice for Congress people.

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<v Speaker 3>How about wheelchair lifts to their gate through back doors?

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<v Speaker 3>What about Nancy may shoul I need her handheld?

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, man, I'm not getting involved in any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not getting involved in this is all I

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<v Speaker 1>can say is, yeah, No, we have exciting news over

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<v Speaker 1>Cedar is the host of the Majority Report. Welcome, Welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Theater.

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<v Speaker 4>Always a pleasure to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>Molly.

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<v Speaker 1>I am happy to have you here because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you are equally outraged. I mean, I know we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the corruption, because you have to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the corruption because it's so glaring. It's the corruption,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also just the blatant stupidity of the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But we can start with Trump's SEC chair prevented the

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<v Speaker 1>head of enforcement at the SEC from investigating Trump's circle

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<v Speaker 1>for insider trading. Yeah, she's.

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<v Speaker 4>Her name was Margaret Ryan. She's been on the job

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<v Speaker 4>for only about six seven months or so, and usually

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<v Speaker 4>it's a job like you stayed there for a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>She was the chief enforcement officer of the SEC, and

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<v Speaker 4>they were investigating the Trump business between the crypto and

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<v Speaker 4>other things, and apparently you're not allowed to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the enforcement they had the problem with.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, you can show up to work, but you're

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<v Speaker 4>just not supposed to do anything. It feels like every

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<v Speaker 4>week there is at least one one example of enormous

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<v Speaker 4>corruption that the Trump administration is doing that would take

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<v Speaker 4>out any other administration. Yes, like we probably have had, honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>like I don't know twenty five of these stories. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and it seems to be largely irrelevant because of the

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<v Speaker 4>nature of this administration, which is incredibly authoritarian, and everybody

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<v Speaker 4>who works there, I mean, Donald Trump did a very

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<v Speaker 4>good job having four years off of making sure they

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<v Speaker 4>surrounded himself with nobody who is going to challenge him. So,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it was surprising to me that NOME was

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<v Speaker 4>booted because they don't really seem to feel political pressure

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<v Speaker 4>in the same way that any other administration does, because

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<v Speaker 4>everybody just closes ranks. And you know, that's why we're

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<v Speaker 4>invading a country. Possibly we're certainly bombing a country involved

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<v Speaker 4>in a huge war with forty percent of the country

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<v Speaker 4>supports it tops and doesn't seem to be influencing Trump

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<v Speaker 4>at all. And so but it's fascinating. The corruption is

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<v Speaker 4>just I don't think that we can fully grasp the

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<v Speaker 4>depth of the corruption. It's so transactional and naked.

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<v Speaker 1>That is why with the oil futures situation, with the

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<v Speaker 1>question of whether or not Trump world, you know, Trump

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<v Speaker 1>says the war's over, the markets open, they rally, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the markets closed, Trump says we're going to bomb them.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, but there's also some front running. I mean, so

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<v Speaker 4>there's tudor codes going on here, right, Yeah, there's there's

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<v Speaker 4>this sense of he's responding to the markets, although I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's also possible. You know, we've got what thirty

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<v Speaker 4>five hundred US Airborne.

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<v Speaker 1>The Marines from I think it was a Marine.

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<v Speaker 4>Expeditionary force, and the airborne is like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>four days out. It's possible he was just buying time.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's also possible he was just reacting to the

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<v Speaker 4>market and there isn't necessarily a plan. But then there's

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<v Speaker 4>also like, uh, you've got people buying oil futures, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>moments before he makes these announcements.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, we've seen this time and time again. We've seen it,

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<v Speaker 4>you know on ploy Berker. That's just like insider trading,

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<v Speaker 4>which I don't know, it's hard to assess which is worse.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just it's quite obvious. There's a tremendous amount of

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<v Speaker 4>corruption and they're just milking every single aspect of the

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<v Speaker 4>job is being monetized. You know, today it was official

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<v Speaker 4>that the Trump administration is paying a French company that

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<v Speaker 4>had bought about a billion dollars worth of federal leases

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<v Speaker 4>to build wind farms off the coast of New York

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<v Speaker 4>State and North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Right wind farms that we need to make power that

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<v Speaker 1>would be free once it got going.

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<v Speaker 4>It's relatively, yeah, relatively, and he's making them whole as

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<v Speaker 4>a way of like, you know, I guess buying them out.

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<v Speaker 4>But part of the deal is we'll give you a

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollars taxpayer money, right, You then have to invest

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<v Speaker 4>in a new liquid natural gas refinery in Texas and

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<v Speaker 4>some other oil deals down there. So essentially tax dollars

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<v Speaker 4>to encourage to subsidize more or less more fossil fuel production.

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<v Speaker 4>The company itself said, like, you know, we still believe

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<v Speaker 4>that the wind power is is the thing, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>just too expensive now to do it in America because

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<v Speaker 4>of course it would take all sorts of legal hurdles.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you know, just one other sort of side

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<v Speaker 4>note to this. In December, Donald Trump's media company, which

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<v Speaker 4>trades under DJT I think it is, did a six

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollar all stock transaction no money involved in this,

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<v Speaker 4>all stock transaction with a company that is in development

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<v Speaker 4>of fusion. Now, we've been hearing about fusion power for

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<v Speaker 4>a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always like twenty years.

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<v Speaker 4>It always feels like it's a decade away. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 4>this is supposedly a decade away.

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<v Speaker 1>But make energy with nothing, Well here, it might happen.

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<v Speaker 4>It might happen, but at the very least we know

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<v Speaker 4>that they have less competition because Donald trumpet is essentially

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<v Speaker 4>destroying the solar market, both in terms of like the

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<v Speaker 4>the centralized stuff with the solar panels, you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>no longer subsidized to put those on your house, but

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<v Speaker 4>also taking out these wind farms. So even as like

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<v Speaker 4>a pump of dumb scheme, he's using taxpayer dollars to

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<v Speaker 4>increase the value of his company's all stock investment in

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<v Speaker 4>this fusion company. It's donning.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's corruption and its grift, and it's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>venn diagram of both. I want to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>Christinome because I think that her being kids of the

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<v Speaker 1>curb is an interesting phenomenon. And I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a press conference yesterday that Donald Trump did where

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<v Speaker 1>so one of the things Trump does is he backs

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<v Speaker 1>away from things when they start to seem like they

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<v Speaker 1>might be And one of the things that happened with

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<v Speaker 1>Christine Oome is it turns out she spent two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty million dollars on horseback riding basically horseback riding

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<v Speaker 1>movies and cowboy hats. And there's quite a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>money even for this administration. You know, she's the tactical pants, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the Scott Prouet with the tactical tactical pants of Trump

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<v Speaker 1>one point zero. I was watching this press conference yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was one today where he said a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of crazy stuff. But yesterday he started I thought it.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed as if he was starting to make a

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<v Speaker 1>case that Whiskey Pete might eventually go the way of

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<v Speaker 1>Christy Nome.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if we watched the same press conference,

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<v Speaker 4>but he said at one point like Pete told me

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<v Speaker 4>to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, That's what I'm talking about it.

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<v Speaker 4>He's always looking for a fall guy. It occurred to

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<v Speaker 4>me today on my show. It's like, maybe what we

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<v Speaker 4>all need to do. It's not like Donald Trump watches

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<v Speaker 4>my show, but we should all just pretend he's won,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, just give him a little bit of grace,

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<v Speaker 4>tell him that he's won, and hopefully back. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know that the plan could be also to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's unclear. I don't think that, you know, we're in

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<v Speaker 4>a position. The New York Times reported that MBS Crown Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia is supposedly encouraging him

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<v Speaker 4>to go further. The Saudi government denied it, but who

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<v Speaker 4>knows it certainly wouldn't be on Israel, who definitely wants

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<v Speaker 4>us to go further to say that it's the Saudist

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<v Speaker 4>But Maddis mad Dog Maddis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, who was too sane for this administration and is out.

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<v Speaker 4>He yesterday reportedly said at some event that, like, if

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<v Speaker 4>we leave now, Iran's going to charge a toll to

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<v Speaker 4>get through this straight to hor Moves, which apparently oil

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<v Speaker 4>companies don't like. I don't know this for a fact,

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't done any research on this, but I'm willing

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<v Speaker 4>to bet you that Maddis works for a defense contractor.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I since on a couple of boards, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, just put the toll up. I'm fine with

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<v Speaker 1>that go.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing is is that there's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>who as much as this looks like a disaster to us, right,

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<v Speaker 4>as much as like, you know, a three or four

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<v Speaker 4>month oil shock and all of the sort of like

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<v Speaker 4>other implications of the fertilizer shortage, you know, which I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Won't really class in season, won't.

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<v Speaker 4>Really crest until twenty twenty seven. I think the fertilizer

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<v Speaker 4>is already in the system for this crop. But twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty seven, you're going to see a lot of social believe.

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<v Speaker 4>The last time we saw that, we got the Arab spring.

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<v Speaker 4>But who knows where this will happen. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people who can make a lot of money off

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<v Speaker 4>of this. Yeah, you know, as to like why Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump did this, which is clearly no political upside, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Like if he wins, whatever that means, and we pull out, like,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no he's not going to be in better shape

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<v Speaker 4>than he was before we went in. So to me,

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<v Speaker 4>it sounds like somebody he's got to be making some

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<v Speaker 4>money some way, right, And he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Even said right. Remember he even first before he got elected,

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<v Speaker 1>he told oil company billionaires, you know, you should get

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<v Speaker 1>me money. You'll earn the money back. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>recently he said, here's a truth, social post. The United

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<v Speaker 1>States is the largest oil producer in the world by far,

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<v Speaker 1>So when oil price is gone, we make a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money. We because they only privatize the games, they

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<v Speaker 1>socialized losses, we don't make a lot of money now.

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<v Speaker 4>We actually, if you want to look at sheer numbers,

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<v Speaker 4>is actually the ones who are paying more money in

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<v Speaker 4>gas prices and in inflation from everywhere else. We are

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<v Speaker 4>the ones who are paying the oil companies who are

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<v Speaker 4>making all the money.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to Joe Kent for a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>because you got my head going on the people who

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<v Speaker 1>leave the admitted. So this administration closes rank really well.

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<v Speaker 1>And the difference between Trump one point zero and Trump

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<v Speaker 1>two point zero is that nobody everybody stays in right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you get fired, you move to a different job,

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<v Speaker 1>which prevents you from doing interviews and writing books. So

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<v Speaker 1>Christy nom now runs the Shield of the Americas, which

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<v Speaker 1>is not a real thing. But nope, but she's too

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<v Speaker 1>stupid to know. Probably a good job. I mean, right,

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<v Speaker 1>did she get to where the cowboy hat? But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just say she does not get her picture

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere like she used to have her picture in airport.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>And I would imagine her political career. I think it's over, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I mean, like what like if she had any

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<v Speaker 4>desires of being like a VP for somebody or something

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<v Speaker 4>like that, I find it that's done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But everybody's political career, I mean, everyone who's gotten

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<v Speaker 1>in any kind of contact with Trump world is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. I mean Jadie Vance is hiding from

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<v Speaker 1>this war.

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<v Speaker 4>Jd Vance has gone into uh Is Like it does

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<v Speaker 4>seem like he's hiding in a bunker right now. And

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<v Speaker 4>Marco Rubio remember him, he was a Secretary of State.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen him in like.

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<v Speaker 1>Tweets you don't see. I mean the crazy part is

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<v Speaker 1>Jade Vance, who had never who could not stop defending

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<v Speaker 1>everything in the entire world, who was if there was

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<v Speaker 1>a Nazi group chat, he was out there being like

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<v Speaker 1>those kids they were just thirty two. That guy does

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<v Speaker 1>not tweet anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it's interesting, Like That's my point is

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<v Speaker 4>like from a political standpoint, this is not a good

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<v Speaker 4>thing for Trump to do. No, and so they could

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<v Speaker 4>not make the argument that that was the case. Somebody

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<v Speaker 4>told him it was it was going to be a

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<v Speaker 4>slam dunk. But I also imagine he's got to be somebody.

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<v Speaker 4>There has to be an entity that is putting money

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<v Speaker 4>in his pocket in some fashion that is in favor

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<v Speaker 4>of this. Maybe it is Saudi Arabia, maybe it's some

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<v Speaker 4>other country, but somewhere he is making money from this.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I listens to be has to be if

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<v Speaker 4>oil gets more expensive, maybe he owns part of like

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<v Speaker 4>the output of Venezuela and maybe he's getting I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>but there is no other logic to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you mentioned this before, but Reuter's reports this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and again it's just sort of we sort of knew

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<v Speaker 1>this was true, but that Trump right gets off the

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<v Speaker 1>phone with net Yahoo and orders the strike, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we have this Times reporting later in the day

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<v Speaker 1>at Saudie's. You know, wanted this involved in this, hoping

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<v Speaker 1>for more from this. I always am curious about the

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<v Speaker 1>timing of stories like this. Yeah, and we're both liberal Jews,

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<v Speaker 1>so I get very worried about this for any number

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons. But you know, a lot of people on

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<v Speaker 1>the right are saying it's anti Semitic to say that

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<v Speaker 1>Israel somehow was involved in this war, though clearly they

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<v Speaker 1>were no. But you know, the Jonathan Greenblatz of the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Jonathan lad is a is a grift. I honestly, if

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<v Speaker 4>Jonathan green Blaze told me my house was burning down,

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't believe. Both Marco Rubio and people somehow forget this.

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<v Speaker 4>Mike Johnson almost at the exact same time that Marco

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<v Speaker 4>Rubio said, yes, we attacked because Isla that they were

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<v Speaker 4>going to attack, and we thought we would be attacked,

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<v Speaker 4>and so we were preempting.

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<v Speaker 1>That, by the way, an insane statement.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, only if like they had agreed that was the

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<v Speaker 4>best case scenario to sort of like say we had

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<v Speaker 4>to do this, they could have stopped Israel in that right,

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<v Speaker 4>They could have said, couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not the superpower. We're in the superpower.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, yeah, it without a doubt. I don't I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not even convinced it's in Israel's best interest, but certainly

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<v Speaker 4>it was certainly on their on their bucket list. Yaho's

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<v Speaker 4>been saying that, yes, And I mean, let's be honest, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>you look at this country, ninety three percent of the

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<v Speaker 4>polling is in favor of the multitude of wars that

0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 4>they're waging right now. When other countries look at this

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<v Speaker 4>country and see Donald Trump as winning twice, even though

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:39.359
<v Speaker 4>one time he didn't win the popular vote, they would

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<v Speaker 4>be nuts to assume that this country isn't at the

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<v Speaker 4>very least forty eight percent on board with Donald Trump. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm sorry when you look at that, Yaho's been

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<v Speaker 4>in power for thirty years in that country. Off and

0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.920
<v Speaker 4>on the fact of the matter is, there's no government

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to be demonstrably bad than net Yahoo, particularly

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<v Speaker 4>with the way that the system of their government is,

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<v Speaker 4>and the polling shows ninety three percent they're excited about

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<v Speaker 4>their war in Lebanon as they're trying to push up

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:15.040
<v Speaker 4>and essentially expansionist Israel. They're they're talking now about resetting

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<v Speaker 4>a boundary permanently or at least semi permanently in Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 4>They're basically waging pogroms in the West Bank. We've seen

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<v Speaker 4>them destroy and flatten Gaza and still continue to create

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 4>incredible deprivation and the miseration of Palestinians in Gaza. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>so it was certainly within Israel's interests why Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 4>decides to form a US policy around Israel's interest That

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<v Speaker 4>was the story they told us until they realized, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>this doesn't necessarily jibe with America. First, I have no

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 4>doubt that there was also some other interest that Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump had. I'd like to say, I wouldn't be surprised

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<v Speaker 4>to find out, like they're.

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<v Speaker 1>All making money. There is a garent country.

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<v Speaker 4>That somehow or yes, in some fashion. Yeah, But the

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<v Speaker 4>fact of the matter is is that in the absence

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 4>of Miriam Adelson's one hundred and fifty million dollars that

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 4>we know of in this last rittle and the promises

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 4>he made to her right and like maybe Netanyah who

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 4>said like, we're gonna make this thing happen for you

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 4>and Jared in in Gaza and you guys are gonna

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<v Speaker 4>have your gold coast in Gaza. I mean, who knows

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.160
<v Speaker 4>what inspired but the idea that that, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's took this up on his own, seems it's absurd.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's absolutely absurd to suggest that. I mean, particularly

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 4>when you see half his administration running the opposite way.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you saw that press conference when there's a

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<v Speaker 4>clip of Stephen Miller when Trump is talking about, you know,

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 4>blowing up Iran. Even Stephen Miller is like, is it's

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 4>interfering with his.

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<v Speaker 1>Right you know, his mass deportation, this.

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<v Speaker 4>Mass importation actually you know, a purification of America ran agenda.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, where is this coming from within the administration

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<v Speaker 4>outside of Laura Lumer, who is like, you know, providing

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 4>a full throated support for this. So I think it's

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 4>it's naive and and just frankly, I find it offensive

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<v Speaker 4>to say that it's anti semitic to you point out

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<v Speaker 4>that Israel has its own agenda as a nation.

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<v Speaker 3>I find it.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is not ours, by the way, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And I find it incredibly dangerous frankly for Jews who

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<v Speaker 4>live in this country and other countries to say criticism

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<v Speaker 4>of Israel is anti semitic, and that because it implies

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 4>that Israelis and Jews are the same thing, and they

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<v Speaker 4>have the same agenda and they don't. That conflation is

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<v Speaker 4>dangerous to me and to my.

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<v Speaker 1>Family, Yes, and bad for the Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And anti Semitatism that we're all afraid of will be forgotten,

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<v Speaker 1>the confabulation of Jews and Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the fact of the matter is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the sort of rationales for Israel is because

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<v Speaker 4>Jews need a place to be safe. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>it is simply objectively the case that Israel is making

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<v Speaker 4>Jews less safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's right, Sam Cedar, I hope you'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Come back, Mollie, I would love to.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Sarota is the founder of The Lever, whose news

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<v Speaker 1>season of The master Plan podcast is out now. Welcome, Welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Sarona.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're here to talk about a podcast that focuses

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 1>on one of my favorite topics. And it's one of

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 1>my favorite topics because we did a whole thing on

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Project twenty twenty five, which now is out of date

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>because he did it all and in it is this idea,

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the nightmare fuel of the unitary executive theory. So first

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to explain what the unitary executive theory is.

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<v Speaker 2>The unitary executive theory is this idea that the president

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<v Speaker 2>has a constitutional right to essentially do whatever he wants

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<v Speaker 2>with the executive branch of the government, which of course

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>is the federal government. Let's just be clear the federal government. Yes,

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 2>it's the courts, Yes it's the legislature. But when you

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 2>think of like the government, like the EPA or HHS

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:29.000
<v Speaker 2>or the FBI, that is the executive branch. And what

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<v Speaker 2>the unitary executive theory says is that because of Article

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<v Speaker 2>two of the Constitution, there's this one line in the

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Constitution that says, yeah, the executive authority is vested in

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>a president. That that has been extrapolated by the conservatives

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 2>to argue that the Congress has no right or power

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 2>to limit what the president does with the executive branch.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is obviously a fringe radical theory, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>you consider that the Constitution is a I mean, the

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 2>concert doesn't say everything about everything. It leaves a lot

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 2>of gaps. But I think we can all agree that

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 2>the Constitution was designed as an anti monarch document. Like

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>the underlying theory is, you don't want all the power

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 2>in one person's hand, so we have coequal branches of government,

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:25.239
<v Speaker 2>and the unitary executive theory flies in the face of

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>that which their theory is. The president is not a

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 2>coequal branch of government. It gets to run the executive

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>branch essentially without regard for the laws that Congress is passing.

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<v Speaker 1>So talk us through the history here, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>a fever dream of Richard Nixon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the history here is that in Watergate,

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<v Speaker 2>that was seen as a scandal that embodied an imperial presidency,

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>the president was deploying all sorts of things against his

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<v Speaker 2>political enemies. As we trace in our new series master Plan,

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 2>he was asserting the right to decide to spend or

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 2>not spend money that Congress had already budgeted, despite Congress's

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 2>very clear power of the purse in Congress. The president

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 2>back then, Richard Nixon campaigned promising to end the Vietnam War.

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Months after he gets into office, he is expanding the

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Vietnam War in secret without the authorization of Congress. Point being,

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Nixon had constructed an imperial presidency. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>what's important to understand is that after Watergate, the Congress

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 2>grabbed back some of that power. Right the Congress passed

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 2>the War Powers Act. The Congress passed the Budget Impoundment Act,

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 2>which says, hey, the president cannot just decide not to

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 2>spend money on stuff we've appropriated money for. The Congress

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 2>did all those investigations into domestic surveillance and spy, the

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Church Commission, which created the Faiza Court system, which was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to require warrants for mass surveillance. So there was

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 2>a moment where Congress pushed back against the imperial presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>But from the backlash, a backlash that within ten years,

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 2>the conservative movement was extremely upset about this congressional assertion

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 2>of power, and inside of the Reagan administration came all

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>sorts of attempts to grab back that power for the executive,

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 2>including the creation as we find that we found the

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 2>original document or set of documents inside the Reagan Justice

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:29.959
<v Speaker 2>Department articulating what would become known as the unitary executive theory.

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 2>And remember, Ronald Reagan had been exploring this, or at

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>least pieces of this in his first term. Right, the

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 2>invasion of Lebanon, the invasion of Grenado without congressional authorization,

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>assertions of executive privilege, Reagan firing the air traffic controllers

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.479
<v Speaker 2>without any authorization from Congress. Right, So, all of this

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 2>culminates in the articulation of the unitary executive theory, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important to remember. It's one thing to

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<v Speaker 2>say Congress says the executive can do this and can't

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 2>do this, and the executive saying, well, we've view it

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 2>this way. Inside of the statute, we have more power,

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 2>you think we have less. What the unitary executive theory

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 2>is actually saying is none of those laws apply, because

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:14.719
<v Speaker 2>we are making now a constitutional argument those laws that

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 2>constrain executive authority are unconstitutional.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>It did culminate in the Reagan administration in the Iran

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Contra scandal. The Iran Contra scandal was fundamentally a scandal

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 2>about whether or not the White House has to listen

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>to laws that Congress passed saying you cannot fund covert wars,

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>and the Reagan administration tried to ignore those laws. And

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I think the good news out of the Iran Contra

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 2>scandal was, Okay, we decided as a country, that's a scandal.

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 2>You have to listen to the laws. People were indicted.

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>You can't just ignore congressional laws. And so for a time,

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 2>the Reagan Revolution kind of hit a wall on what

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 2>it could do on executive power. But of course you

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 2>and I are old enough to remember what happened in

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 2>the Bush years, where after nine to eleven the sort

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 2>of push for unitary executive authority went on overdrive with

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>very very little opposition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I have a lot to talk about.

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>You bring up Aaran contra, and I'm like, oh, I

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>got to talk about a round country. But first I

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 1>want to go back to the Reagan do oje because

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:22.959
<v Speaker 1>there are members of this Supreme Court. Yeah, I'm thinking

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>of Gorsich who have roots in that world. And there

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>are others too who have roots. You know, there's a

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of like you know, the Clerk to Justice pipeline

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and the Federalist I want to know what the document was,

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 1>sort of who cooked it up, and a little bit

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 1>about if this was directly to justify the wars in

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>South America.

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<v Speaker 2>So John Roberts and Samuel Alito were in the Edmese

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Justice Department. Edmese was Ronald Reagan's Attorney general, who, by

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 2>the way, in Master Plan, we talked to Edmese. Edmes

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>is still around, He's ninety five years old. He was

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 2>gracious enough to talk to us about this.

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Does he feel vindicated or does he feel regret?

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.959
<v Speaker 2>I'll put it this way. Edmee's did not show any

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 2>remorse or regret about specifically the unitary executive theory and

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 2>how it's being used right now. But the scene to

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 2>say is it's after Ronald Reagan's first term, and in

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan's first term, people like John Roberts and Samuel

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Alito have been writing various memos asserting a broad view

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 2>of executive authority under existing statutes, the president's right to

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:35.919
<v Speaker 2>hire and fire, the president's right to launch wars without

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 2>congressional authority. They are articulating this and they are getting help,

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 2>by the way, from people like Dick Cheney, who is

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 2>a congressman from Wyoming who ultimately is on the Minority

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Committee or representing the minority on the Iran Contra Committee,

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 2>where after Iran Contra happens, he issues a Minority report

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 2>essentially saying the problem is Congress, the problem is not

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 2>the president. Right, So he's arguing, you know, for more

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 2>and more executive authority. And where the unitary executive theory

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:09.439
<v Speaker 2>gets articulated is Edmese becomes Attorney General and asks for

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 2>a big, sort of stage setting report on separation of

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 2>powers from a guy named Stephen Markman, who produces an

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:24.399
<v Speaker 2>eighty plus page report about how the administration can more

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:29.920
<v Speaker 2>aggressively assert executive authority in its second term, including starting

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:34.840
<v Speaker 2>to make constitutional arguments about the president's power. And this

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 2>all culminates, by the way, in the question of independent councils,

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.359
<v Speaker 2>special prosecutors. This is the thing that really tunes up

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 2>the Reagan administration. After Watergate, there was a bill that

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.720
<v Speaker 2>was passed called the Ethics and Government Act, which said, listen,

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>when there's accusations of high crimes in the executive branch,

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>the executive branch cannot investigate itself. Makes sense, right, Like

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the president's appointees cannot investigate the president, right, they got

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 2>their job from him, they him their loyalty. So in

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.919
<v Speaker 2>special cases there needs to be able to be an

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:09.879
<v Speaker 2>independent investigation. And Ronald Reagan's administration ends up being investigated

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 2>in a couple of ways, including Iran contract. And what

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.399
<v Speaker 2>happens is that the Reagan administration goes into court and

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 2>argues that independent special prosecutors are unconstitutional because they represent

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 2>a part of the executive branch that the executive the

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 2>president cannot control, and the Constitution says that the executive

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 2>that the president controls the executive branch. Now that case

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 2>loses at the Supreme Court. The only dissenter is Antonin Scalia. Shocker,

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Scalia dissents. But it becomes kind of cannon for the

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>conservative movement that we cannot allow anything independent, and that

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 2>includes the FTC, the CFD, all the independent agencies that

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is now trying to pack with his own

0:36:56.600 --> 0:37:00.919
<v Speaker 2>appointees and ignore the protections against that. But that's where

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 2>all this culminates. Right. Ultimately, what you get to when

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 2>I think you listen to our podcast, is you think

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump created the sort of imperial monarchical presidency. No,

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 2>he didn't he's using the powers that were created for him.

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Now he may be using them in a more aggressive

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 2>way than we're used to, but those powers were created

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 2>for him. And by the way, here's the crazy part.

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Here's like the mind boggling part for as we talk

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 2>about it. Right now today, the Congress is right now

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 2>considering reauthorizing the Executive Branch's mass surveillance system without warrants.

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 2>And I want to underscore the without warrants part, right,

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 2>warrantless spying means the FBI can sweep in all of

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 2>your information and not have to go to another branch

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.839
<v Speaker 2>of the government, the judiciary, to just get like, hey,

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.359
<v Speaker 2>this is cool, right, Like we're just checking to make

0:37:56.400 --> 0:38:00.320
<v Speaker 2>sure you're protecting everybody's civil liberties. And the Congress, including

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>some Democrats, are considering renewing that power for the Trump administration.

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 2>So when we talk about the Imperial presidency being really

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 2>a bipartisan project, that's what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of stuff happening right now, and ICE

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:19.840
<v Speaker 1>has a ton of unfettered cash from the BBB. Homeland

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Security is in a shutdown despite the fac that ICE

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 1>has billions of dollars, which it's mind blowing to me

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 1>that no one has been like, just give the ICE

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 1>money to Homeland Security. But I guess whatever, that would

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>make too much sense. I want you to talk about

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 1>the Pfizer reauthorization. Where is it, who is it going to,

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:43.280
<v Speaker 1>and where would it go through? And also the only

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>thing this administration can do is pass in reconciliation largely,

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>that's right. So where is this like in reconciliation is

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 1>in the Senate? Where is it?

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 2>So the PISA situation comes out of the post nine

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.840
<v Speaker 2>to eleven period. After nine to eleven, the Bush administration

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 2>engages in warrantless wire vast amounts of data swept in

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>no warrants. It's in a kind of legal gray area.

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 2>And ultimately the compromise I put that in quotes because

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:12.719
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't really a compromise. At the very end of

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 2>the Bush administration, Democrats and Republicans joined together in Congress

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 2>with the Bush administration to enshrine warrantless wire tapping and

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 2>surveillance in law, saying you don't have to go get

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 2>a warrant any Arguably just as bad saying to the

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>telecom companies, if you have given over people's private information,

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:37.359
<v Speaker 2>you cannot be sued, so retroactive legal immunity. This gets

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.240
<v Speaker 2>signed into law. Now this has come up for renewal

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 2>every couple of years, this kind of genuinely unprecedented power,

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 2>and we've heard about more and more abuses of this system.

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Surveillance being deployed against protesters, surveillance being deployed against the

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:55.720
<v Speaker 2>political opponents of Donald Trump, Surveillance being deployed against members

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 2>of Congress. And now the renewal is up again, and

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 2>you have a s situation where Trump, who had previously

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 2>publicly been a critic of FIZA surveillance because he perceived

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 2>it being aimed at him, all of a sudden, now

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 2>he's the president, he wants it. And what you have

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 2>are you have very conservative Republicans and the Progressive Caucus

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 2>saying this is no longer accepted, this is not acceptable

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 2>at all. We want to stop this. And you have

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.760
<v Speaker 2>this sort of mushy Uni party middle of both parties,

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>many of them saying we want to give this power,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to just simply renew this power. And what

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<v Speaker 2>boggles the mind is Stephen Miller is the big advocate

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<v Speaker 2>reportedly for renewing this because he wants this to be

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<v Speaker 2>used with the FBI, with ice, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have the Democrat, the senior Democrat, Jim Himes

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<v Speaker 2>on the House Intelligence Committee, who is now urging Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>to vote for it because he says he has seen

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<v Speaker 2>no abuses of the system. Now here's what's crazy. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>where would you find out about abuses of the system? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what data is Jim Himes citing from.

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<v Speaker 1>The Trump administration the DOJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the people who don't want you to see abuses

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<v Speaker 2>are the ones who have the data to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that there aren't abuses, right, and we already know from

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<v Speaker 2>news reports, et cetera, et cetera, that there have obviously

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<v Speaker 2>been abuses. So it's it boggles the mind that any

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 2>Democrat would think about giving Stephen Miller the power that

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<v Speaker 2>he wants. I have sort of a like a like

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:29.439
<v Speaker 2>a basic shorthand rule, like a rule of thumb. Here,

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<v Speaker 2>if Stephen Miller wants more power.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably bad.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be the opposite side.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jim Himes, what's going on? You think he just

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<v Speaker 1>wants the stuff that is? I mean he is in

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<v Speaker 1>the is he in the Gang of Eight?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the best like the most charitable interpretation is

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<v Speaker 2>he simply believes this kind of surveillance is providing us

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<v Speaker 2>a special special security or making the country safer. But

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<v Speaker 2>I want to just really underscore this, We're not This

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<v Speaker 2>is not a debate about whether this kind of surveillance

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<v Speaker 2>can happen. This is a debate about whether you just

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<v Speaker 2>got to go to the court, you know, And I

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<v Speaker 2>know I know that, like some people will listen and

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<v Speaker 2>be like they'll have in their minds like a scene

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<v Speaker 2>from Homeland and like she's running to save the day

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<v Speaker 2>and she can't stop to get the judges warrant. All

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<v Speaker 2>of these reform bills to require warrants have special provisions

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<v Speaker 2>in them that are like, listen, if there's a real emergency,

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<v Speaker 2>like a genuine emergency, you can go you can go

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<v Speaker 2>for the warrant after. So none of that crap applies.

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<v Speaker 2>This is about whether you think the president should have

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<v Speaker 2>all the power or not. And I think when you

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<v Speaker 2>when you listen to a series like Master Plan, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you come away from it, I hope being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe one guy shouldn't have all the power. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like the Founders way back a long time ago, like

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<v Speaker 2>they had a point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I want you to talk about the AI

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<v Speaker 1>regulation because that shit is wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so this relates to it, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think it's worth like putting a bow on this, which

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<v Speaker 1>is Donald Trump is very in the tank for AI,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he doesn't quite understand what it does, and

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<v Speaker 1>so a lot of his legislation is to prevent legislation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. So Donald Trump has just issued an executive

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<v Speaker 2>order trying to prevent states from regulating AI in any way.

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<v Speaker 1>He has no idea what it does, but he just

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<v Speaker 1>knows there's money there.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. He just knows his brologarchs want this. I

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<v Speaker 2>do think there are parts of the government that we

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 2>know want this too. So there has been this concurrent

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<v Speaker 2>fight between Pete Hegseth's Pentagon and Anthropic that seems like

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<v Speaker 2>a side issue but is actually, to my mind, like

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<v Speaker 2>a central issue. The fight is about. Anthropic has said, look, Pentagon,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll let you use our we'll contract with you, you

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<v Speaker 2>can use our technology, but we have some basic internal

0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:02.919
<v Speaker 2>controls that are designed to prevent our technology from being

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<v Speaker 2>used to run let's say, autonomous weapons or to do

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<v Speaker 2>mass surveillance. Okay, these are not things that the law

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<v Speaker 2>requires us to do. But they're things that like, we

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<v Speaker 2>have decided as a company, we don't want our technology

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<v Speaker 2>to be used for heg Seth and the Pentagon are

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<v Speaker 2>basically saying, no, we want you to give us a

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<v Speaker 2>switch to turn off those guardrails when you contract with us.

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<v Speaker 2>So what they're really saying is to my mind, what

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<v Speaker 2>I hear them saying is we want to use AI

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<v Speaker 2>for autonomous weapons and for mass surveillance. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>use AI as an example to plug into all of

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 2>that data that we are sweeping up now without a

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 2>warrant thanks to the FISA law. Right, it's the convergence

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<v Speaker 2>of the PISA law debate and renewal with the AI contract.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to plug all of that warrantless data into

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<v Speaker 2>the AI systems, and Anthropic has basically said, we're not

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 2>really comfortable with that. Now. Here's where it escalates at

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<v Speaker 2>the lever. We broke the story last week that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is now quietly proposing to put a line into all

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<v Speaker 2>government procurement contracts okay, government wide, not just the Pentagon,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that when any agency contracts with any AI company,

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<v Speaker 2>the AI companies have to give Trump officials the power

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<v Speaker 2>to override any of those AI systems privacy or safety guardrails.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, a line in the contract that says

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration when it contracts with AI companies, they

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<v Speaker 2>can do whatever they want with that technology, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>how that technology is engineered or designed to operate. To

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<v Speaker 2>my mind, I mean that is genuinely terrifying. And I

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<v Speaker 2>should add whether it's Trump or another president, it is

0:45:56.239 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>genuinely terrifying. That level of power concentrated a powered in

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<v Speaker 2>the hands of one small subset of people is insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave, Dave, Dave, I hope you'll come back.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to come back. Thank you for discussing this, Molly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just say, these are a set of issues that

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<v Speaker 2>are like the kind of issues that are like under

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 2>every other issue. Right, there's a couple of issues that

0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 2>connect to like every issue, right, and I think it's

0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 2>executive power. Concentrated power is one of them. Obviously, legalized corruption,

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 2>money and politics is another. It's like they're like the

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Bacon of issues, right, Like there's six degrees of Kevin.

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 2>They're like two degrees away from every single issue. So

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for you know, helping us talk about this.

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<v Speaker 2>And unpack it.

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<v Speaker 5>There no moment, Jesse Kannon Molly, the Pentagon is directing

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<v Speaker 5>companies to censor Iran war information.

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<v Speaker 3>It is just unbelievable. They've now annexed the press to

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<v Speaker 3>another room after the judge knock them down. This is

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 3>just getting silly. What will snowflakes? The Department of War

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:09.440
<v Speaker 3>are truly fragile. Listen, Jesse, I'm all yours. Tell me,

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 3>tell me.

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I have a theory that these people are not free

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 1>speech absolutists. I have a new theaty thinking about.

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<v Speaker 3>The evidence on your side, and I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I have this theory that these people are actually not

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 1>free speech absolutists. Satellite companies are being told how to

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<v Speaker 1>describe the images they capture. Look, here's an interesting thing

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>about this moment. We have Roan does not have a

0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 1>free and fair media. It has censored media. Then we

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:43.120
<v Speaker 1>have Israel censoring its media. Then we have the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>which theoretically the first Amendment, it's the first what not

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 1>even the second Amendment, which Republicans love so much, the

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:54.280
<v Speaker 1>First Amendment, they don't like it anymore, the first Amendment.

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 1>And we have all sorts of situations where we have

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<v Speaker 1>stories where we can't figure out who to trust, Where

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Trump and the Iranian government they can't agree on what

0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and you don't know who to trust because our government

0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:15.720
<v Speaker 1>is filled with liars, and so is theirs, and so,

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen, we find ourselves in a moment that

0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:24.919
<v Speaker 1>is a particularly dark moment in American life. That's it

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