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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, Mission

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Speaker 4: Control decand most importantly, you are you. You are here,

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Speaker 4: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 4: to know. Tonight's episode is one for the cryptid fans.

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Speaker 4: We're diving into some stories that might be unfamiliar to

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Speaker 4: a lot of our fellow conspiracy realist outside of Ohio.

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Speaker 4: You've heard of Bigfoot, you've heard of NeSSI and so on,

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Speaker 4: But what about the frog Man. We hadn't heard of

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Speaker 4: this until you. Noel sent along a link in a

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Speaker 4: group chat.

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Speaker 5: I can't remember how I even stumbled upon it. It

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Speaker 5: was just, you know, and just your typical day of

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Speaker 5: googling like we do for the various things that we're

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Speaker 5: looking into, and rabbit holing and yeah, the Frogman. No,

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Speaker 5: I know what it was. It was a podcast that

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Speaker 5: I really like called Range Touch. It's these two you'd

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Speaker 5: like this one Toobin. They do a couple of different podcasts.

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Speaker 5: It's sort of like a mini network. One of them

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Speaker 5: is called Just King Things, where they go through every

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Speaker 5: Stephen King book in order of publication, and then another

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Speaker 5: one is about the webcomic Homestuck, which is like this

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Speaker 5: whole weirdo bizarro, you know world that's kind of sort

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Speaker 5: more regular flagship podcast, Range Touch. And they were talking

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Speaker 5: about tabletop gaming and it came up some game they

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Speaker 5: were reviewing that was of like a bunch of different cryptids,

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Speaker 5: like a card game, and they were describing the drawings

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Speaker 5: and all of the different illustrations, and the Frogman, the

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Speaker 5: Loveland Frog or the Frogman of Ohio came up, and

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Speaker 5: I was like, I don't think we've discussed the Loveland Frog,

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Speaker 5: and he's such a cute little fella, and Ben, this

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Speaker 5: led you down more of a larger big picture cryptids

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Speaker 5: of Ohio rabbit hole, but we'll get to the frog.

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Speaker 4: We will indeed get to the frog. There's a bit

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Speaker 4: of lovecraft in here. It's pretty cool. I've heard about Bigfoot,

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Speaker 4: but what about the grassman? What about the dog man?

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Speaker 4: It turns out Ohio has a ton of cryptids. Legal

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Speaker 4: requires us to say allegedly has a ton of cryptids.

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Speaker 4: Here are the facts.

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Speaker 2: You may not know much about Ohio. Yeah, if you

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Speaker 2: don't live in the US. Oh but it's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Ohio's awesome. I got a ton of family up there.

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Speaker 2: That's why it's a big deal. That's all you need

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Speaker 2: to know. Done, end of episode.

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Speaker 5: It might be considered part of the country that sometimes

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Speaker 5: flies under the radar. You know, You've got your Cleveland,

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Speaker 5: which rocks, you know, and of course is home to

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Speaker 5: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But outside that,

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Speaker 5: there's not a whole lot of Ohio that really makes

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Speaker 2: Akron, Ohio's the best.

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Speaker 3: The natty Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people forget about. Since a hip hop group, underground

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Speaker 4: hip hop group I like, is from Ohio, there's there's

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Speaker 4: quite a bit of good hip hop in Ohio. It's

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Speaker 4: also the seventh most populous state in the entirety of

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Speaker 4: the US. The population is nearing eleven point eight million,

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Speaker 4: even with all the brain drain that happens in as

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Speaker 4: you called them earlier, the so called flyover states. And

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Speaker 4: here's a dumb fact if you want to if you

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Speaker 4: want to be awkward at parties, if you consider yourself

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Speaker 4: an amateur vexillologist, a word we never get to use.

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Speaker 4: Ohio is the only state in the Union with a

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Speaker 4: non rectangular flag, So good luck on your trivia.

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Speaker 3: Is it just more squarish? Is it tropezoid? Arambas?

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Speaker 2: It's a circle?

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Speaker 3: Man, They really get some trippy stuff going over there.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I did not know this, Ben, and I also was.

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Speaker 5: Literally about to ask you what vexillologist was, and then

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Speaker 4: To m uniformity.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: Uh, it looks it's very strange because I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: of the name for it. It's a triangular with a tail.

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Speaker 5: It's like one of those baseball flags like pant not pendant.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, that's exactly what it looks.

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Speaker 4: Like it's like a pennant with the with the abbreviated

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Speaker 4: it's like it's like a tail feather for a bird. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: you are going to be amazing at a trivia game

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Speaker 4: later sometime in your life, and we wish you the best.

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Speaker 2: Like a study of flags or of shapes flags?

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Speaker 4: Okay, yes, sorry, study of flags? I would geometry be

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Speaker 4: the study of shapes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's fine.

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Speaker 5: It's certainly the science of shapes, which is not necessarily

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Speaker 4: So I'm a bit of a shapesman myself. Yeah, well

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Speaker 4: we could just say we're shapes shapes folk anyway. Also unrelated,

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Speaker 4: apparently the new word to hate in the English language

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Speaker 3: Whether I think it's too folksy, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Maybe disingenuous, insincere, yeah, disingenuous, But I always I think

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Speaker 4: the way we use it is fine. We're certainly not

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Speaker 3: Listen here, folks, we're all on the same page, you know, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we all can read, we can all agree

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Speaker 4: that faberge egg depreciation is one of the prime issues

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Speaker 2: Hmm.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like any other state in the US, for thousands

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Speaker 4: and thousands of years, there were tremendously sophisticated, entrenched native

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Speaker 4: The earliest records of human habitation in Ohio date back

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Speaker 4: at least thirteen thousand years, and if we were betting

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Speaker 5: It actually dates back much further to the Edena culture,

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Speaker 5: Great Serpent Mound. And as the Adena people evolved into

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Speaker 5: Referred to historically as the Hope Well Mound builders. Modern

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Speaker 4: And you know, like we said, we don't know how

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Speaker 3: What we call Ohio today.

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Speaker 4: We know that the Adena culture came out of this

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Speaker 4: lot of stuff that the early US ignored. These earth

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Speaker 4: Nole and Paul Mission Control and I have all seen

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: They have seen them and not known you know that

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Speaker 5: that's what they were, because there's certainly you know, this

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Speaker 5: just really doesn't Like you said, Ben, and your research,

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Speaker 5: you found the description for earthworks as being sort of

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Speaker 5: change in elevation. It doesn't necessarily have to be for

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It could be a dwelling, it could be often they

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Speaker 4: they are like we did episodes earlier on Mound, on

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Speaker 3: You know, if you.

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Speaker 4: Are a fan of Bethesda the game company, if you

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Speaker 4: have played Skyrim, then mounds you have entered earthworks when

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Speaker 4: you fight Drager, that's what they're called, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: To lizard people. Right, for the lizard.

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Speaker 4: People, they're the they're the dead, the Viking zombies, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Sorry, I'm thinking of a different class. It's been

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Speaker 2: Sorry, mat were you saying, oh, nothing, They're they're places

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Speaker 2: some of them were not, which is a fascinating thing.

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Speaker 2: And the whole reason we're talking about this about the

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Speaker 3: Matt, I have to say I love the concept of

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Speaker 5: It just pictures. I picture a bunch of people with

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Speaker 4: And since the days of antiquity, what you need to

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Speaker 4: Is there any truth to these legends? Let's take a look.

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Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 3: All right again.

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Speaker 4: Turns out Ohio, depending on whom you ask, is home

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Speaker 4: to many, many anomalous life forms, including one special returning guest.

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Speaker 4: No spoilers, but one hint. It's decrypted with a great butt,

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Speaker 4: serious abs, lots of cheeks. And before we get to

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Speaker 4: the so called Frogman of Ohio.

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Speaker 2: But before we even.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about this in terms of.

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Speaker 5: Like sort of divers that are you know, spies or

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Speaker 5: associated with some sort of nefarious, clandestine activity, often wearing

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Speaker 5: these green kind of flippered suits and goggles, and you

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Speaker 5: see them in like Johnny Quest.

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Speaker 3: I think they appear in an episode of Johnny Quest.

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Speaker 5: But just the idea of being a frogman was referring

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Speaker 3: This the Frogman.

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Speaker 5: But not demanding a toll of any kind, just sort

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Speaker 4: You know, Frank Reynolds is probably more aggressive to the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I felt it was inevitable before one

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Speaker 5: Matthews shot and killed some sort of creature of unknown origin.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that so American?

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Speaker 4: I think it's important to point out that he did

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Speaker 4: I think you're right. The first part of the story

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Speaker 2: All right, and we're back. So let's talk about that body.

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Speaker 2: That that holy grail of a thing that was in

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Speaker 4: It was definitely it was definitely not human. The second

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Speaker 4: where the murder is solved.

437
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 3: Hmm, that'd be a bummer eternal cliffhanger.

438
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I think what a lot of these stories

439
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 5: have in common too, is just like a thing that

440
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 5: is out of place, right that people are not expecting

441
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 5: to see, usually under shadowy literally dark circumstances that allows

442
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 5: the imagination to kind of run wild. I mean, certainly

443
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 5: this account differs from our traveling salesman who saw practically

444
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 5: a group of tiny frog people having a tea party.

445
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 5: But I just wanted to mention I found out about

446
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 5: a neat story when I was in Philadelphia this past week.

447
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 5: I went to an Asian kind of outdoor street fair

448
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 5: kind of thing in a park at FDR Park, and

449
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 5: a friend of mine told me that recently a exotic

450
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 5: lizard called a kimen or a cayman had they found

451
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 5: living in this lake.

452
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 3: A creature that you know, could easily.

453
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 5: Be confused for an alligator, and there had been like

454
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 5: these kind of urban legends of like an alligator living

455
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 5: in this area. But it turns out that it was

456
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 5: like something pet, perhaps an exotic lizard that somebody abandoned there.

457
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 5: And this is very similar, you know, and without information

458
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 5: and with something that's unfamiliar, it can really cause people

459
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 5: to kind of just have their imaginations run wild when

460
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 5: you start spreading in before you know what, you got

461
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 5: frog people having tea parties.

462
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 4: Great exotic animals are a huge, huge factor in misidentification

463
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 4: of things that later become touted as cryptid cases. But

464
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 4: for all the true believers out there, you may be

465
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 4: it may buoy your hopes to learn that misidentification of

466
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 4: non native animals cannot explain one hundred percent of the sightings.

467
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 4: Matthews gets kind of burned for this, you know, he

468
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 4: felt betrayed, obviously by an author. He says, this was

469
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: all a big hoax. The way people handled the story

470
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 4: probably for book sales, that's the implication. He no longer

471
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 4: does interviews, and he moved to Florida eventually, where people

472
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: still try to contact him. For many years about this,

473
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 4: because keep in mind's nineteen seventy two, right, and the

474
00:26:55,320 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 4: issue is the story is so good that people redd

475
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 4: it the way we treat all folklore. He said, let's

476
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 4: not let facts get in the way of a good story.

477
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: And the local community has embraced frogmen to a degree.

478
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 4: Also sighting still to my earlier point about cycles, sightings

479
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 4: still pop up. In twenty sixteen, there was a couple

480
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: playing Pokemon Go, a game I will never trust, and

481
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 4: they were in the area Loveland Madeira Road and Lake

482
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: Isabella And while they were playing Pokemon Go, Sam Jacobs

483
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 4: and his girlfriend spot something they think is Frogman. At

484
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: this point, it's twenty sixteen, so are they not primed

485
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: to think of frogmen when they see something unusual in

486
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: this area? There also props to Sam. Sam is adamant

487
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 4: that this was not something on the Pokemon Go screen.

488
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: He said, it's a real thing, not something he was

489
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 4: trying to collect.

490
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: I know the difference between a cartoon and an ar

491
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: game and a real thing.

492
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there are you talking about priming. There's stories

493
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: of Frogman. You're playing a game that features creatures that

494
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: are based on you know, creatures we know of that

495
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: are altered. Its a lot of coincidence there. But we

496
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: do have a quote from Sam Jacobs. Just read it

497
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: for you here quote. We saw a huge frog near

498
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: the water. Not in the game Pokemon Go. This was

499
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: an actual giant frog. I took a couple of pictures

500
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: in a video because I've never seen one that big.

501
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: Then the thing stood up and walked on its hind legs.

502
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 4: And he continues, this is, by the way, credit whords

503
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: do this is from Fox nineteen. Now they broke the

504
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 4: story in twenty sixteen. But I love like he is

505
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 4: exercising objectivity here when he says, I swear on my

506
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: grandmother's grave that this is the truth. I'm not sure

507
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: whether it was a frog man or just a you know,

508
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 4: a giant frog.

509
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: Either way, I've.

510
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: Never seen anything like it. So Sam is being as

511
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: objective as possible. And you guys had a chance to

512
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: look at the at least a still photo of this, right, Yeah.

513
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: It looks like a big ass hoax to me. Yep,

514
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: with the with the eyes and somebody in a suit.

515
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: Come on, the eyes are clearly they're not reflective or

516
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: you know, they're lights.

517
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, it is diplomatically put not conclusive proof of

518
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 4: the existence.

519
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: Of a humanoid frog.

520
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: However, just like countless other communities that enjoy and celebrate

521
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 4: their local legends, Frogman is super popular in Ohio. There

522
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: was a musical about the creature called Hot Damn It's

523
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 4: the Loveland Frog, which references again one of my favorite memes.

524
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 4: It's that boy what up?

525
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: Uh this?

526
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: Or here comes that?

527
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: Here he's rolling.

528
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 5: It's that boy, yeah up, And he'd be rolling down

529
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 5: the street.

530
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: He'd be rolling to the beat. That's all I remember.

531
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: I just know he rolling.

532
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very important. It's part of modern American literature.

533
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 4: So I just want to give a shout out to

534
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: the fantastic Fringe festival, which occurs around the world. The

535
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 4: Frogman musical, Hot Damn It's Loveland Frog was performed in

536
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen at the Cincinnati Fringe Festival, and Cincinnati loves

537
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: the Frogman to this day.

538
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: Right.

539
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, this year there was a Frogman Festival just outside

540
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati, and it was put on in March of

541
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: this year, and I just we ended up speaking to

542
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: two of the guys, the two guys that organize the thing,

543
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: and both of them are just fascinated by it. But

544
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: the cool thing is that there there are so many

545
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: people in Ohio that just want to talk cryptids and

546
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: want to I mean, because there's so many. We're just

547
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: scratching the surface here with Frogman. And Frogman is cool

548
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: because of its specific and it's you know, it's unique

549
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: to this area. But there are so many stories about

550
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: weird things going on out there.

551
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 5: But fellas, what if we had another type of man,

552
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 5: you know, not not a frog variety, but some other

553
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 5: one with a similar ring.

554
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: Like a lizard, like a lid man.

555
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, something a little more hairy, perhaps

556
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 5: a little furry, you know, perhaps the man of man's

557
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 5: best friend.

558
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: Oohoo, dog Man.

559
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, the dog Man, which is kind of a cryptid franchise.

560
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: The dog Man of Ohio first comes to local attention

561
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy two. For those of us playing along

562
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: at home, you'll see the early seventies, seventy two in particular,

563
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: big year for cryptids in Ohio. According to the true believers,

564
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: this is kind of like a werewolf.

565
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, werewolf since for sure.

566
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a way to put it. Canine like humanoid

567
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 4: nocturnal stands upright, So it's bipedal, and it is much

568
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 4: more agro than either Frank Reynolds or the Frogman. Also,

569
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: I just realized in the lore of Always Sunny in Philadelphia,

570
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 4: Frank Reynolds deals with the ongoing trauma of being called

571
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 4: a frog boy, right or Donkey Brain his friend Froggy

572
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: White spoilers.

573
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 5: Not to mention the day Man and the night Man

574
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 5: other varieties of men. But I love this detail you

575
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 5: found about the dog Man. Like you mentioned, it'd be more.

576
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: Agro, but the idea that it's agro.

577
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 5: Comes in the form of brandishing pointed sticks, you know,

578
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 5: or rough hewn weapons.

579
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 4: I guess, mmmm, yeah, yeah. The stick is the most

580
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: popular story. And I guess if we look at it

581
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: from just a as objective as possible without debunking things immediately.

582
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 4: If we look at it from that way, then it

583
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: proves that this creature is not just by but possessing

584
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 4: of at least on its fore limbs. It has something

585
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 4: like a thumb digits that allow it to grasp, which

586
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 4: dogs do not, you know, so the dogs that I

587
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: have met do not.

588
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: But it's a big world.

589
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 4: So the dog Man is not as popular as a bigfoot,

590
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: but the legend does live on and this is where

591
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 4: we want to shout out another thing to Matt's point

592
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 4: about the tremendous interest in anomalous organisms throughout Ohio, there

593
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 4: are a lot of Ohio residents who are part of

594
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: the North American dog Man Project or nad PUT.

595
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: That's pretty awesome. Yeah, and they're really cool bragtag group

596
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: of characters. A lot of them are, you know, ex

597
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: police officers, people who are just down to like take

598
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: care of some dogmen. And if you've got a dog

599
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: man sighting, they're going to come out there and they

600
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: will help you, I guess capture footage or an actual

601
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: dog man.

602
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 4: Like David Bikera, whom we interviewed a number of years

603
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: ago and continues to run Expedition Bigfoot here in Georgia.

604
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 4: Their team is available twenty four to seven all year round.

605
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 4: Just reach out. They would love your reports of sightings.

606
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 4: They're kind of like a moof on for dog man specifically.

607
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: And also found a Google map overlay that shows a

608
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 4: ton of alleged or suspected dog man sightings throughout the

609
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: North American continent and down into bit of Central America

610
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 4: as well. It's worth checking out if you're interested. It's

611
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 4: also a little more popular now than an older cryptid

612
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 4: that is in Ohio, in Delaware ranging up to Massachusetts.

613
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 4: The puck Wedgie, which is unfortunately not a name for

614
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: girl Scout Cookie because it sounds very much like the

615
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 4: name for a girl Scout cookie.

616
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 5: Just immediately condras images of a squat, little duck like creature.

617
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 5: I don't know why, And I know we've talked about

618
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 5: the puckwudgie before. Was that no, you know what it was?

619
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 5: It wasn't it our our metaverse thing? Did we talk

620
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 5: about the puck Wedgie in the in the game for certain?

621
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 5: For Sutain, Yeah, that's what it was.

622
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: Do Yeah, these things are weird. These things are weird, Ben,

623
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: I've seen them describe a couple of different ways. But

624
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: how would you describe a puckwodgee.

625
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 4: Having not knowingly seen one myself. The tricky thing about

626
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 4: these this is common a lot of Native American folklore

627
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: as well, is that they are shape shifters. I want

628
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 4: to give a shout out to author Teresa Bain in

629
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 4: her work Encyclopedia of Fairies in World Folklore Mythology. Definitely

630
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: definite must read if you're a fan of folklore. She

631
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: notes the puck wedgie is a two to three foot

632
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: tall goblet, your Grimlin esque thing. It's a shape shifter,

633
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 4: but it often assumes the form of sort of a

634
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: human porcupine, a porcu man.

635
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 3: That's pretty awesome puck watching.

636
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: See.

637
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 5: They seem to sort of possess siren like qualities, you know,

638
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 5: and and their ability to sort of lure people to

639
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 5: their death. But also occasionally I ascribe the ability to

640
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 5: whether it's organic or through some weapons I guess, launch

641
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 5: poisonous arrows mm hmm charts.

642
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, porcupines also can't launch their quills.

643
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: What that's a myth again. I'm playing Diablo for right now, guys,

644
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: and there are definitely puckwodgy like creatures in there that

645
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: shoot their spiky spikes at people. Okay, And Diablo four

646
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: is just, you know, kind of take that as fact.

647
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: It's the paragon of reality.

648
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: It's basically this generation's Oxford English Dictionary.

649
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: Last Day, have you guys seen you know, obvious.

650
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 5: So there's all this air quality issues in New York

651
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: because of the wildfires in Canada, and it's been making around.

652
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 5: Somebody posting a billboard that says welcome to Hell New

653
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 5: York and is the Diablo.

654
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 3: Image in the background.

655
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Speaker 5: It just looks like a nightmarish hellscape horizon.

656
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Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, I saw that one as well, and at

657
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Speaker 4: first I didn't get it. But boy, good luck to

658
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Speaker 4: everyone in New York in Canada, most particularly in Norway,

659
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: where the fires consequences are also reaching across the Atlantic.

660
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Speaker 4: What would the puck wedgie make of this? Well, the

661
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 4: puck Dodgie probably wouldn't care too much because, as so

662
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 4: often happens in these ancient stories of running into near

663
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Speaker 4: human creatures, once upon a time, relationships between the humans

664
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Speaker 4: and the puck wedgies were pretty dope until humans did

665
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Speaker 4: some sort of trans and the puck wodgie soured on them.

666
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 4: So if you meet a puckwodge in the wild, it's

667
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: probably not gonna help you. There aren't a ton of

668
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: these sightings in the modern day, but you'll find no

669
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Speaker 4: shortage of amateur archaeologist or cryptozoologist or authors claiming to

670
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: have encountered them numerous times. Again, the tricky thing is,

671
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: this is an entity that can change its shape. So therefore,

672
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 4: if we're playing the thought experiment, it's completely possible if

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Speaker 4: you are listening to Tonight's show around other people, the

674
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Speaker 4: things sitting next to you appearing to be a person

675
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Speaker 4: is in fact a puck dodgie.

676
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Speaker 3: Be cool, Be cool.

677
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Speaker 5: Shape shifters are neat but like really untrustworthy, you know

678
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Speaker 5: what I mean?

679
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: Come on, just be yourself.

680
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 4: And the thing is, this is something we've talked about

681
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: in the past, with Austerrolopithecus and with the legends of

682
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: wild Harry Hamani's that are around in almost every culture

683
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: on every continent except Antarctica. It's the theory that fascinates,

684
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 4: at least me so much. I want to speak for everyone.

685
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 4: What if these stories somehow date back to actual encounters

686
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: with early Homo sapiens and early relatives of Homo sapiens.

687
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: The geography here might appear super wrong, right, because most

688
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: of those reliced populations of mixtapes or relatives of Homo sapiens,

689
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Speaker 4: they were in the African continent, the Middle East, parts

690
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 4: of Europe, and Central Asia. But I don't know, did

691
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 4: you guys see the news about the new stuff discovered

692
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 4: just recently Homo nalati. They're called Nalletti.

693
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Speaker 2: It's pretty awesome, isn't It's just like one of the

694
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Speaker 2: oldest versions of a pre Homo sapien population that was

695
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Speaker 2: creating art. Is it art or what were they?

696
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were purposely carving symbols, so purposely carving with

697
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 4: meaning one hundred thousand years before what we call humans

698
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Speaker 4: even picked up the brush or the you know, crush

699
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Speaker 4: the bugs to make the de So the point is

700
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Speaker 4: we are learning as a society more and more about

701
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Speaker 4: the ancient past, and DNA research already kind of proves

702
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: that there are a couple of other relatives of Homo

703
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: sapiens have yet to be discovered. So maybe that's part

704
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Speaker 4: of the explanation for the puck wedgie. But if we're

705
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Speaker 4: talking about these weird primates, excuse me, I don't want

706
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Speaker 4: to denigrate them. If we're talking about these near human,

707
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 4: non human primates, then of course we have to intro

708
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: another one. Ohio, you see, has its own version of Bigfoot.

709
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Speaker 4: It's not the dog man, it's not the frog man.

710
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 4: It's the Grassman. We'll pause for a word from our sponsors,

711
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 4: and then let's go into the deep grass and see

712
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Speaker 4: what we find.

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Speaker 2: And we're back. So grassman, is it like a pucklodgee?

714
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: Is it a grass that walks around.

715
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: That would be so cool.

716
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 5: A walking marijuana plant, or like a he who walks

717
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 5: behind the rose kind of children in the Corn things.

718
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 5: I always loved the mythology of the Children of the Corn.

719
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 5: I found it genuinely chilling and listened to the audiobook

720
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 5: of the story recently. But that's one of those ones

721
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 5: that the franchise just kept on franchising when it should

722
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Speaker 5: have stopped long ago.

723
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Speaker 4: They spent a lot of time the sketching out the

724
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: character Malachi. But you know, short stories make for great adaptations.

725
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Speaker 3: I really I love that one.

726
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: I love the lore of sort of a weekly godlike entity,

727
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 4: which is a way you could describe something like Cutulhu,

728
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Speaker 4: you know, Cthulhu. Excuse me, so, the Ohio Grassman aka

729
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: the Minerva Monster is sort of a one to one

730
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: description of bigfoot lore with a few key differences.

731
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I've heard is that it's got longer hair,

732
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: and it smells worse. Yeah, it smells worse, and it

733
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: was found in grass. So rather than seeing but bigfoot

734
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: in the woods, which is highly common, or things that

735
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: would be described as bigfoot, the landscape has changed. That's

736
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Speaker 2: one of the main things that Jeff One of the

737
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: guys I spoke to who who did the frogman festival.

738
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Speaker 2: He said, it's really just a landscape thing, and the

739
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: longer hair is the only, really the only discerning factor

740
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Speaker 2: between this grassman and Bigfoot sightings.

741
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Speaker 4: And interesting in comparison to another possible subspecies of Bigfoot,

742
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 4: the skunk ape. The grass the grassman doesn't smell as

743
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 4: bad as the skunk ape, but the skunk ape or

744
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 4: swamp ape has adapted to its environment.

745
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 5: Also, well, once again, I'm gonna bring up the walking

746
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 5: marijuana plant thing.

747
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 3: I mean skunk people refer to.

748
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 5: That's a that's a term that gets thrown around a

749
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 5: lot for weed that smells really.

750
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Speaker 3: Strong, you know, the grass man. Sorry, I yield my time.

751
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: I think these are all just hippies and ponchos. They're

752
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: smoking a lot of weed hiding out either in grass

753
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 2: or in the woods.

754
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 4: Gilly suits, maybe a good gilly suit would one hundred

755
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 4: percent make you look like look like something is some

756
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 4: kind of cryptis similar to this.

757
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 5: Also one of those like Luau type grass like a

758
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 5: like a suit version of a grass skirt kind of

759
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 5: it's a specific type of camo. Got it looks really yeah, yeah,

760
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 5: picturing it, yep, picturing it, so you see it in fiction.

761
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 4: Hopefully you never see them in real life, folks, But

762
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: in fiction, in in action movies, you'll see snipers wearing

763
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 4: gilly suits so that they can lay around for hours

764
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Speaker 4: until they need to get that shot one hundred yards

765
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: away or something. But also, how about cannabis chimp. We'll

766
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 4: see if that works out. A chimp would be a

767
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 4: little too short for this, but still, this is almost

768
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Speaker 4: like this goes back to Native tribe, native community folklore

769
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Speaker 4: about wild, hairy, humanlike creatures dwelling deep in the wild.

770
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Speaker 4: It wasn't until the eighteen hundreds that reports of sightings

771
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Speaker 4: began to get more attention from the United States at large. Okay,

772
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Speaker 4: I think we should pause for a second here to

773
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Speaker 4: say we know, especially for our fellow conspiracy realists who

774
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 4: consider themselves a bit more skeptical, we know that this

775
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 4: might all sound silly, but you have to remember we

776
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 4: were able to trace down the origins of a couple

777
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: of other things that were treated like myths. I'm thinking

778
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 4: particularly Matt Noll of the se Ka remember that one.

779
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, another another reason to redheads get a bad rap.

780
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a whole episode on that.

781
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: Right, mm hmmm, yeah, we're in that episode. We were

782
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 4: able to trace back through the folklore to some archaeological

783
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 4: discoveries that appear to confirm not all the rumors about

784
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 4: Sea Techa in the legends, but we're able to confirm

785
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: there was a population that is more than likely the

786
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 4: origin of those legends, and they were regular people.

787
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and speaking back to like folklore, often in fairy

788
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 5: tales and horror science fiction fantasy, giants are often depicted

789
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 5: as being cannibalistic. I mean, you think about Jack and

790
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 5: the Beanstalk. That giant is going to grind your bones

791
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 5: to make his bread. You know, that is part of

792
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 5: the legend of the sea see five fo FuMB Indeed.

793
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another version of Grassman and these types, a

794
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: bigfoot called the wild Man of enon enon Enan, I

795
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: think is how you'd say it. And it's in Ohio. It's

796
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: a very similar on longer hair does kind of the

797
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: same thing, lives in the same places, but it's only

798
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: an Enan, and I think the specificity of it is

799
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: what makes it feel special, especially to a small town.

800
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Speaker 4: Like that, and also the idea for lasting with the Grassman.

801
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 4: The idea of creating nest or habitations in tall grass

802
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 4: is quite similar to the sleeping patterns of gorillas, which

803
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 4: also create nest right lowland gorillas in particular, I'm thinking of.

804
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 4: We know that the answers to these things, the origins

805
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 4: for these things are out there somewhere. We just can't

806
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: assume the answers are one hundred percent what we expect.

807
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 4: There is a returning guest here for everybody who was

808
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 4: treating this like a trivia gabe. Who is the cryptid

809
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 4: with the best butt around? Who is the cryptid with

810
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 4: abs for days? You know them, you love them? He

811
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 4: is Mothman. Yeah, And according to true believers, Mothman took

812
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: some time and traveled to Ohio.

813
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 5: Boy that he ever cometh, he's got like a nine

814
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 5: pack man. Seriously serious business in that region.

815
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Speaker 2: Well, it's really interesting to me, like talking about Ohio

816
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: and Mothman, because the primary thing, right, the event that

817
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: started the whole Mothman sightings was the collapse of the

818
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: Silver Bridge, right and which which is a bridge that

819
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: crosses the Ohio River. So it goes from Point Pleasant,

820
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: West Virginia into this small town in Ohio. So I

821
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 2: guess if you if the bridge is the primary place

822
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: of the event, then it makes sense that both I

823
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: guess sides of the river would have sightings if there

824
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: really was something going around there. And there are a

825
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: ton of sightings on the Ohio side. There's even because

826
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: of that bridge collapse. The names of the people who

827
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 2: died in that horrible accident are on the Ohio.

828
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Speaker 3: Side, right.

829
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is something that you can you can

830
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 4: see in action the next time you're in that part

831
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: of the world. Now, will people universally say, yes, I

832
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 4: believe wholeheartedly a mothman? No, almost certainly not. But will

833
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: they all be familiar with it? Yes, And it's always

834
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 4: worth the time if you can to get out in

835
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 4: the field and check out that stuff firsthand. We'd love

836
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 4: to hear if you have some insight a mothman or

837
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 4: any of these cryptids. And as we said at the top,

838
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: we are not getting to all of the very fertile

839
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 4: cryptid soil here in Ohio, so we want to hear

840
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 4: your experiences. Shout out to Bessie, shout out to any

841
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 4: other number of urban legends and local folklore. We didn't

842
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: get to with any cryptid episode. We want to end

843
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 4: by pulling together a few incredibly important threads actually finding

844
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 4: these organisms. Yes, okay, it's true that cryptozoology is not

845
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 4: highly regarded in the world of academia. That's not us,

846
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: that's just how other scientists treat this pursuit. And it's

847
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 4: true that we often look at folklore being confused for

848
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 4: hard science, you know, as we ask all the time,

849
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 4: where the bones, where's the feces? How do they interact

850
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 4: with other creatures in a given biome? But the cool

851
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 4: slash terrifying part. It's also true that now, more than

852
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: any other point in human history, we are as a civilization,

853
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 4: are best positioned to discover new species if we act

854
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: now TikTok.

855
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 5: And yet one thing that I think we all run

856
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 5: up against with these things is why isn't there more evidence?

857
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 3: You know?

858
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 5: Why are these stories always so tenuous and vague and

859
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 5: come from multiple reports that all kind of di it.

860
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 5: It always seems more like a historical game of telephone

861
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 5: than actual species that are undiscovered. But I'm I'd love

862
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 5: to see, I'd love to find out about more.

863
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: Because that's kind of what it is, right, I mean,

864
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: they're just stories. That's why it's so fascinating and you

865
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: can't prove it, so you hope to prove it. I

866
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: think that's why people are so into going to these conferences.

867
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Speaker 2: Why there are things like the North Georgia Bigfoot Conference

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Speaker 2: that exists. I mean, that's just why.

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Speaker 4: Or Monsterfest in Ohio, and TV producers of course love

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Speaker 4: a search for Bigfoot because it's guaranteed to go on

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Speaker 4: for seasons. I want to go back to earlier point

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Speaker 4: as attempting to make the human populations everywhere. Surveillance technology

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Speaker 4: is growing ubiquitous. If something has not been discovered yet,

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Speaker 4: it is more likely now to be discovered, and this

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Speaker 4: moment will pass. It is a brief moment. We are

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Speaker 4: coming to you amid Earth six mass extinction. If you

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Speaker 4: are a cryptid hunter, now is your time. Get out there,

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Speaker 4: find what you can, and please, please please tell us

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Speaker 4: about it again. Shout out to Monsterfest in Ohio and

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Speaker 4: shout out to North American dog Man Project. Shout out

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Speaker 4: to you. We can't wait to hear what you think

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Speaker 4: about this. Are their cryptids out there? On previous shows,

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Speaker 4: we've said they're most likely to be discovered in the

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Speaker 4: depths of the ocean at this point, maybe some relic

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Speaker 4: populations in very very small corners of remaining wilderness. But

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Speaker 4: what's going on in your local neck of the woods

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Speaker 4: when you walk into your local restaurant or your VFW,

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Speaker 4: your hangout spot. What's the monster they talk about?

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Speaker 3: Let us know.

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Speaker 5: You can find this all over the internet, or conspiracy

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Speaker 5: stuff on YouTube, Twitter and Facebook, conspiracy stuff show on

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Speaker 5: Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, you've got a phone number. You can call

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Speaker 2: us one eight three three std WYTK. It's a voicemail.

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Speaker 2: You've got three minutes. Give us a cool nickname. Please

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Speaker 2: let us know if we can use your name and

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Speaker 2: voice on the air. A quick shout out here to

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Speaker 2: that Jeff Craig guy who makes a thing called Map

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Speaker 2: in Black that is an entire map of the United

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Speaker 2: States with cryptozoological sightings on it pinpointed and then on.

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Speaker 2: If you flip the thing over, you can look at

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Speaker 2: it and see, like in alphabetical order, where all these

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Speaker 2: cryptives have been seen, and what type of cryptos? Really

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Speaker 2: really cool stuff, and uh yeah, if you don't want

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Speaker 2: to give us a call, why not instead send us

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Speaker 2: a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 4: We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know. Is a production

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