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Speaker 4: wrapped up in the biggest news story to ever happened

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Speaker 4: to fishing outside of we got Way to Fish. This

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Speaker 4: opposite of that. Here we had people in that case,

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Speaker 4: we had people in a fishing tournament packing losing a

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Speaker 4: fishing tournament because they packed fish full of lead. And

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Speaker 4: now we have people who are temporarily suffering at for

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Speaker 4: having a fish that technically weighs less than what it

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Speaker 4: should have. Wait, we're gonna hear this full story. I'm talking,

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Speaker 4: of course, about the marlin fisherman who got apparently, I mean, well,

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Speaker 4: who got. We're gonna hear the whole story. If you've

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Speaker 4: been reading the news and this has been Krin has

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Speaker 4: a note here, this has been This is a viral

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Speaker 4: fishing news story. This is when the world at large

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Speaker 4: takes interest in fishing. The Washington Post, those big anglers

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Speaker 4: meeater dot com with all these other outfits kind of

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Speaker 4: covered the story. And if you're wonder what up to

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Speaker 4: hell them talking about? If you saw a story about

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Speaker 4: some guys that entered a marlin tournament and then had

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Speaker 4: their fish get disqualified because it had been bitten by

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Speaker 4: a shark and they lost all the winnings. That's who

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Speaker 4: we're here with, all three principal players. This is the

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Speaker 4: first time you guys done an interview together.

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Speaker 3: That's correct? All right?

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Speaker 4: Do you gut him? Walking through? Who? So? I know

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Speaker 4: we got the guy holding the rid, the guy owning

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Speaker 4: the boat, the guy captaining the boat. Okay, who do

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Speaker 4: we start with? Let's start with who owns the damn boat?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: You owned the boat? Sorry?

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Speaker 3: Okay, lay that out for us. My name's Ashley Blue.

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Speaker 3: I live in Greenville, North Carolina, and I bought the

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Speaker 3: Sensation last year, last March. Matter of fact, Oh huh,

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 4: So you just got it, just got out of my

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Speaker 4: freshman year and you run the boat that day.

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Speaker 3: I was on the boat.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, And then go ahead, the angler, Bailey Gore.

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Speaker 5: I'm from Booe, North Carolina. Hadn't really had a ton

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Speaker 4: Okay, Now you have a lot of You're like a

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Speaker 4: subject matter expertise R that's been on an expert Okay.

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Speaker 4: And then the captain.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my name is Greg McCoy. I live in Pinal Shores,

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Speaker 6: North Carolina, right near where the tournament's based in Moorhead City,

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Speaker 6: and I'm the captain of the Sensation.

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Speaker 4: You've done the tournament how many times?

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Speaker 6: At least fifteen fifteen years, probably more than that. I

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Speaker 6: fished it on my own boat several years with friends

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Speaker 6: Lots of different angles the way I fished the tournament,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Explain to me, why how are marlin tournaments so prevalent,

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Speaker 4: Like you just don't You don't know if you're a

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Speaker 6: Well, I'd say in the sport fishing industry, salt water

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Speaker 4: Fish, the biggest, coolest fish out there.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, yes, the most you know, brings in the big

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Speaker 6: rock tournament is a huge event. It really is. It's

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Speaker 6: We had I think what two hundred and seventy some

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Speaker 4: And do they all got to take off from the

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Speaker 6: No, you can fish it. It's just a matter of

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Speaker 4: And what lay that off for me? What is the

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Speaker 3: Bit less of it, I got it.

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Speaker 6: And then you just have there's a certain time. Nine

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Speaker 4: And you gotta be done fishing at what time three o'clock?

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Speaker 4: And then how many days of the tournament.

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Speaker 6: It's a six state tournament. You fish four out of

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Speaker 4: And the tournament winner winds up being the Is it clean?

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Speaker 4: Is it like? The biggest marlin caught during the six days?

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Speaker 6: They do have daily release prize. There's all different kind

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Speaker 6: of categories, but yes, the real winners, the biggest fish

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Speaker 4: Okay, what's the biggest marlin you've ever seen come out

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Speaker 4: This is that was the fish that was the career best, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it would have been a dream come true

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Speaker 4: So here here's the thing I want to get laid

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Speaker 4: what happened. Were you are you? Were you the designated angler?

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Speaker 4: A little bit of both? Okay, So that morning.

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Speaker 5: We pulled numbers. There's six, yeah, six hours and the

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Speaker 5: my hand. So Scooter Screwter, the mate, said get in the.

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Speaker 4: Seat, so he put me there. That was it.

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Speaker 5: So that's how you came to be the faithful God.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it really didn't matter. It was chaos, everybody

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Speaker 5: trying to get everything cleared. Everybody's doing up. I was

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Speaker 4: With nothing to do.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I was in the steat. I had nothing to

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Speaker 5: little bit where you get a little Were you a

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Speaker 5: little seasick or what? No, I was just beat. I

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Speaker 4: Of the door and that ride can't change hands, right

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Speaker 4: it can? Oh, it can't change hands? It can? So

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Speaker 4: you can you can spell each other? Yeap?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 4: Now lay this out for me, because how many guys

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Speaker 3: Uh, there's six anglers and then there was the captain, Greg,

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Speaker 3: the mate and myself.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So now when you leave out in the morning,

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Speaker 4: there has to be some understanding of what would happen.

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Speaker 4: Let's just say you win, what would happen to the money?

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Speaker 4: They lay the economics out for me from from a boat,

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Speaker 3: What we did, I mean, you can enter in there's

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Speaker 3: It was set up where the boat would get thirty

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Speaker 3: The boat broke down to the captain getting ten percent

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Speaker 4: Got it, and so you were like a clock you

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Speaker 4: chartered the boat essentially yep. So you guys you got

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Speaker 5: Now I knew one other guy, one of my friends.

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Speaker 5: When I saw it, I texted was like, yeah, let's

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Speaker 5: Just a bunch of random guys and everybody was in

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Speaker 5: on the understanding though. Oh yeah, like the economics were clear.

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Speaker 6: We had a little contract that we had them. We

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Speaker 6: You know, we had a little meet and greet and

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Speaker 6: harness in the fighting chair. But typically, you know, guys

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Speaker 4: Also, during this tournament, the anglers are swapping out every

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Speaker 5: I just fished Saturday, just one day, and I'd bet

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Speaker 4: You had like no, I mean, with all duies, you

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Speaker 5: I'd followed it for years, but never never fished in

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Speaker 3: When I came up with the idea, I wanted it

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Speaker 3: It's the world's biggest marlin tournament on the East Coast,

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Speaker 3: I mean as far as money wise, and it's known

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Speaker 3: We have all the tackle, we have all the expertise

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Speaker 5: Very unique opportunity for people like me. I really couldn't

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Speaker 3: Ever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to you have to be a big

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Speaker 4: you have to be like Ernest Hemingway for a day,

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Speaker 4: What's the fish plant?

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Speaker 6: We had? Uh? I told the guy. We had a

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Speaker 4: I said, all right, this is day six of the tournament.

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Speaker 6: Day six. But we that was how we presented it

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Speaker 4: Be, and you're pulling your lay days based off weather.

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Speaker 6: A lot of times. Yeah, we we fished Monday. It

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Speaker 4: Were you one of them?

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Speaker 6: No, I don't get seasick to knock on wood, huh.

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Speaker 6: But so we fished Tuesday, we laid out Wednesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 6: The weather was supposed to be horrible, which there's one

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Speaker 4: So that incentivized to get out early.

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Speaker 6: Yes, until that fish is on the dog, it definitely

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Speaker 3: Marlin.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely a marlin. My mate saw him come up

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Speaker 6: the crowd was already there. By quarter of Bailey showed

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Speaker 6: you must be Bailey He's I said, yeah, he shook

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Speaker 4: And you're out at like you're off, you're off the

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Speaker 6: That's what we look for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and are you able to see other dudes fishing

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Speaker 6: Well, it can be both. I mean again, there's two

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Speaker 4: And how deep a water you guys in We.

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Speaker 6: Went out to two hundred plus fathoms, which is six

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Speaker 4: You got it over some kind of canyon.

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Speaker 6: We go out to what's called the break where it

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Speaker 6: when I'm in that situation, I'll steam off and try

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Speaker 6: Steam another direction trying to get out of them, there'd

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Speaker 4: So you talk about depth, but that marlin, he spends

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: They're not like swordfish that spend their day down.

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Speaker 6: Correct. I'm no marine biologists. But they do spend a

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Speaker 4: They'll live up there in bask At the surface.

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Speaker 6: They're always moving. They they're polegic. You think about how

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Speaker 6: They eat anything they can get, really, you know.

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Speaker 4: So, and what's your guys fishing strategy? How are you

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Speaker 6: We're putting our regular spread out. We troll, you know,

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Speaker 6: Any natural baits have to have circle hooks, which adds

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Speaker 4: And that's a rule. What kind of rule, tournament rule

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Speaker 6: It's a tournament rule. It's for conservation. A circle hook

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Speaker 6: So it's a conservation thing. If you really end up

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Speaker 4: He's not hooked down on the gut. Yeah, jay hook exactly.

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Speaker 6: Now, with lures, which is what most of the guys

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Speaker 6: You know, with a jay hook, they thrash at it.

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Speaker 4: So when you see him that you can throw the

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Speaker 6: I got it, put it in free school.

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Speaker 4: And are you guys catching all kinds of other junk

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Speaker 6: Well, that day, if I'll tell you about the fishing story,

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Speaker 6: He's forgot more about catching Marlon than I will ever

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Speaker 6: And so that day I said, especially that afternoon, I

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Speaker 4: Okay, tell me what that means.

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Speaker 6: We have riggers and they are basically just to spread

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Speaker 6: So on each rigger we have a short and along

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Speaker 4: And that's just the release.

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Speaker 3: Really got it.

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, we get a hit on the port short

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Speaker 4: I did not like what speed, you didn't know what

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Speaker 6: And so all our other anglers have a job. When

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Speaker 6: or a big tune or something they can spool you.

439
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 6: We got a lot of line. They're big reels, but

440
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 6: a big fish could conceivably take every bit you got

441
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 6: and go bye bye. You know, if they get to

442
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 6: the end of that school, it's going to break and

443
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 6: they're gone. So we do a lot of maneuvering with

444
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 6: the boat. That's where my job comes in a lot

445
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 6: of times. I got to try to put us on

446
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 6: the fish as well. But once we hook up, you know,

447
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 6: I got them a new for the boat to help

448
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 6: the angler out. So this fish we get everything clear,

449
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 6: Do guys do a great job?

450
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 4: We crank all the rods in, yes, sir. So he's

451
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 4: got the one rode.

452
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 6: In the water and all the other baits in the boat.

453
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 6: Now it's the guy gets in the chair. I think

454
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 6: that was Darren, guy named Darren Flannery. It was his turn. Uh.

455
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 6: He gets in immediately, didn't have much trouble. I knew

456
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 6: it wasn't what we were looking for. Reels it in.

457
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 6: It turns out it's like a fifty pound barracuda.

458
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: Oh I thought this was the fish.

459
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 6: No, no, no, this is a this is a preliminary.

460
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, you like it. It's a nice big barracuda.

461
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 6: Barracuda. Wasted time because for us, it's not worth anything

462
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 6: in the turnament. There are game fish categories, but not barracuda.

463
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 4: Well, that's the smoker of a barracuda.

464
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 6: Big barracuda. Yes, and it did strip offline. You know,

465
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 6: we probably have about sixteen pounds of drag where we're

466
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 6: set for the strike on these fish. Anyways, I say,

467
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 6: you know, we got enough time, guys, we got plenty

468
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 6: of time. Let's get them back out. Let's go after

469
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 6: what we're looking for. So we get back on same course,

470
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 6: headed to where we were headed. Uh, probably about a

471
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 6: half hour later this time is the one we're looking for.

472
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 6: She comes piling across the spread.

473
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: It's a she.

474
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 6: Well, the bigger ones are okay, generally females. So she

475
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 6: comes piling. We see. I didn't see her coming, but

476
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 6: I think Ashley did.

477
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: I had just sat down. We got everything back out

478
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: and was turning around, like he said, and I had

479
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: set down on a bean bag up in the top

480
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: of the bridge, just kind of you know, so you

481
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 3: can see everything without the rocket launchers in your in

482
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: your face. And she came from the left going right

483
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 3: and fully breached and crashed right on that same rod

484
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 3: that the barracuda did. And I mean it was just

485
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: like pandemonium from that point forward. And I mean you

486
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 3: saw her come from the side full broadside, jumped and

487
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: crashed right down on it. I mean, it wasn't any

488
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 3: of that come up smacking around. It was cabooche and

489
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: it was just like Holy Cow, and the excitement clear

490
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: teasers and real rods in and that's when excitement hit.

491
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 6: So if a canas right quick the epic ness of this,

492
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 6: you need man. Also is you got to realize this

493
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 6: is the final hour of the final day of the tournament.

494
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 6: So two fifteen lines out at three o'clock.

495
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 4: Because the fish have to be landed by three or

496
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 4: it's hooked by three.

497
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 6: You call in when you hook up, and you could

498
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 6: go into the next day if you had to. I see,

499
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 6: so now we hook up two fifteen, I get into

500
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 6: the radio. You know, big Rock this is sensation. We're

501
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 6: hooked up and uh so now we're fighting a fish

502
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 6: and it goes and I'll let Bailey tell his story.

503
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 6: But we we got a fish on. I saw the fish.

504
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 6: I think Ashley was on the bridge with me. He

505
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 6: saw it coming. I saw it once it jumped and

506
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 6: hooked up a couple of my mate Scooter his name

507
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 6: is Darren Cox, everybody affectionately known as Scooter, great young kid,

508
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 6: great fisherman. He saw the fish real good and I looked.

509
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 6: I says, is it the one? Scooter? I said, I

510
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 6: seen it. I think it's the one. He says, that's

511
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 6: the one.

512
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: And look, you guys knew it was a big market.

513
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I said, if we get this fish to the boat,

514
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 6: we've we've won the big Rock. You know. So we

515
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 6: all knew there really hadn't been there hadn't even been

516
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 6: a five hundred pounder for that fabulous fisherman category yet,

517
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 6: and I knew this one was over five hundred for sure,

518
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 6: And well, I knew it was going to win the

519
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 6: tournament at that point if we could get it to

520
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 6: the boat.

521
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 4: And now we had to do that, you know, so

522
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 4: how much risk is there knowing that he's respecting the

523
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: fact that he's sitting right here. How much risk is

524
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 4: there in handing the rod over to unproven, a un

525
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: idiot or unproven marlin angler, right, well, I mean at

526
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: that point, are you like, damn it? We should have

527
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 4: gone on ourselves.

528
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 6: That was part of the deal. You know, these guys

529
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 6: basically paid for the tournament and paid for the charter fee,

530
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 6: so you know, we had to stick to our deal.

531
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 6: And like Bailey said we would, we decided to do

532
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 6: it instead of just going, you're the first guy up,

533
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 6: the second guy up, because a lot of times when

534
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 6: you're marlin fishing, you don't catch a whole lot of

535
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 6: other stuff. So we decided to say, uh, you know,

536
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 6: drawing numbers, and number one gets the first hour, number

537
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 6: two gets the second hour because there was just happening,

538
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 6: six hours of fishing and six anglers. So and I

539
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 6: didn't even realize that it wasn't your hour.

540
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 5: But I didn't even know at the time. I don't

541
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 5: even know what time it was.

542
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 6: I think Scooter. Scooter kind of runs the cockpit. That's

543
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 6: his world. I'm up top and like I said, he's

544
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 6: I let him do his thing because he he's good

545
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 6: at it, and he's a great he loves hunting a fit.

546
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 6: I tell people when they climb on the boat, if

547
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 6: it if it flies, runs or swims, Scooter will kill

548
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 6: it for you. And so I just let him do

549
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 6: his things. So I think Scooter was happy with Bailey

550
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 6: being the one book. And I want to tell you,

551
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 6: we put him in there and it's you know, you're

552
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 6: not crappy fishing. There's a big fighting chair and a

553
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 6: harness that you're lashed into and there's a certain technique

554
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 6: on how to do it, and he did, and you know,

555
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 6: I'll hand it over to him, but I will say

556
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 6: he did a fantastic job of angling.

557
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 4: So thank you.

558
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 5: So I was asleep. I got a picture of me

559
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 5: when my buddies took it to fourteen, Me asleep on

560
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 5: the couch like this with a beer sitting on my chest. Drunk,

561
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 5: not drunk, just sleepy, just tired. So I was at

562
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 5: two fourteen and two fifteen the fish hit. I heard

563
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 5: everybody scramble on the back deck, took out, running out

564
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 5: of the the cabin area, went out on the deck

565
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 5: on the deck, and I came out the door. I

566
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 5: stood one eye closed and when I looked out. I

567
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 5: could see the marlin jumping across the wall.

568
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: Seriously.

569
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, this that wake y'all. Oh yeah, yeah.

570
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 5: I went from a dad's sleep to wide open in

571
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 5: two seconds. So everybody was back there, reeling in lines,

572
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 5: getting the teasers out the water, getting thing cleaned up,

573
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 5: and screweders holding the rod. He's like, get the chair,

574
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 5: get the chair. And I was the only one standing there,

575
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 5: so I got the chair. It was close to my time.

576
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 5: I didn't even know what time it was at the time,

577
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: so we got all strapped in and started cranking.

578
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 4: But in your guys deal that you have laid out

579
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: the financial plan, it doesn't matter right now.

580
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 5: The guys that fished in the first three days get

581
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 5: the same money. It doesn't matter as long as the fish.

582
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 5: It's a team effort. As long as that fish gets

583
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 5: the boat, we're happy.

584
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, got it, got it? So there you are. And

585
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: is it like is it kind of the less you

586
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: do the better sort of thing? Like you got the

587
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 4: drag set. Yep, we got a drag set. Are they

588
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 4: telling you like, don't pump the rod, don't do this,

589
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: don't do that, or is a pre self explanatory.

590
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 5: It's kind of self explanatory. You gotta let fish run.

591
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 5: Fish running. You're not gonna stop that. So we just

592
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 5: let it run. Whenever we get a second it stops.

593
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 4: Start cranking again, start working the chair, and you're trying

594
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: to circle the fish.

595
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 6: Uh no, he's going straight hell bent for leather out back.

596
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 6: So once we get everything cleared, I'm coming back hard.

597
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: As I can.

598
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 4: Okay, you're not trying to pass around and catch line.

599
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 6: That's some of these videos you'll see of the water

600
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 6: crashing over the trans and stuff. We didn't really get

601
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 6: that effect. But uh yeah, And that's one thing I'm

602
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 6: telling you, and he'd probably tell you. Number one rule

603
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 6: I'm we always yell at people, do not touch the drag.

604
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 6: We got the drag where we want it, don't touch it.

605
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 6: And I told everybody these guys, your job is to

606
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 6: keep the fish tight. It's not a race. But you've

607
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 6: got to turn the damn handle when a fish is on.

608
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 6: You know a lot of people they get dumbfounded a

609
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 6: big fish like that and they go get awestruck and

610
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 6: they don't turn the handle. That's the only way you

611
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 6: can keep the pressure on the fishes. But keep cranking,

612
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 6: you know, I've.

613
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 5: Probably heard of a thousand times. Keep cranking, keep cranking.

614
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 6: And then I would tell him, because a lot of guys,

615
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 6: if it's their boat and they've angled a lot of

616
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 6: big fish, they can tell by the change of noise

617
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 6: in the engine that the boat's about to come back,

618
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 6: you know. But I would tell him, I said, we're

619
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 6: coming back. Keep cranking, keep cranking. So I would warn

620
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 6: him when I was about to come back a little

621
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 6: harder or whatnot.

622
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 4: So how long does this? How long does this go on? For?

623
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 4: Lay out the how long a fish fight takes?

624
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 5: I was in the chair three and a half hours

625
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 5: from the start until we swapped off, and that was

626
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 5: that was about all I could do. I was yah

627
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: hours of constant cranking.

628
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 4: Huh, I had no idea.

629
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, we ended up with fighting the fish right at

630
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 5: six hours, a little over six hours. But uh, when

631
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 5: I was sitting in chair was three and a half.

632
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 5: She spent three and a half hours on the fish.

633
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, getting sunburnt. People the rubbing sunscreen on me.

634
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 5: It was getting bad.

635
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: I didn't rub up sunscreen.

636
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 4: I don't know who it was.

637
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 5: They missed my right foot, they got my back but.

638
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: The right foot. So uh, during this whole long fight,

639
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: the fish is mostly towards the surface. For the first

640
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 4: we would you say, hour and a half, Yeah.

641
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 6: First probably hour and a half he was up up

642
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 6: top and that's where you want him, really.

643
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 4: Uh huh, you know, you drawing a crowd.

644
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 6: One other boat came by. We went into you know

645
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 6: there line at three o'clock, so basically we went into overtime.

646
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 6: I think there was one other boat near so they

647
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 6: came by and watched for a while, and then they

648
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 6: headed off into the sunset. You know, So we're out

649
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 6: there alone at this point.

650
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: But they knew what you were doing.

651
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 6: They did. They knew, you know, they could see the

652
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 6: boat and knew who We're a local boat. We're a

653
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 6: charter boat right there on the Moorhead City waterfront.

654
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: So well, the other part of the story that's so

655
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: big in being a charter boat in these tournaments, they

656
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on equipment, and there's

657
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: this stuff called the omni sonar where a lot of

658
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: these boats just go out there, don't put any lines

659
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: in and just ride around and look underneath the water

660
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: and spott a fish. A Morland a mile away and

661
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: then they go and just pound over top of it.

662
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: We don't have any of that stuff. We're just a

663
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: straight charter boat. It's you know, it's I've heard about

664
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: those systems, yes, and they're one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

665
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: They're you know, mega million dollar boats. It's you know,

666
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: we're it's like David versus Goliath out there.

667
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 4: Guys like the Jamaican Boss. That's a very good.

668
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 6: So these omnies they can ping a fish. We can

669
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 6: see one. We got a regular sonar bottom machine and

670
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 6: if it swims right underneath us, I can see it.

671
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 6: I can market, but I can't. These omnies are like military.

672
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 6: They they ping the fish, they can lock onto the

673
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 6: fish and they can follow it. These fish have tails.

674
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 6: They don't just sco in one direct or. They go

675
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 6: wherever they want, right. So the omni sonar when they

676
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 6: ping one, they actually a touchscreen lock on target lock.

677
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 6: Some of them, the boat will automatically turn when the

678
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 6: fish turns. Other ones, the captain has to steer it.

679
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 6: But most of those guys have one guy on the

680
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 6: crew who is dedicated. That's all he does is watch

681
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 6: the sonar and he'll say, you know, target acquired, and

682
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 6: then he'll say, you know, steer whatever forty two degrees

683
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 6: blah blah blah. And so not only can they find

684
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 6: a fish, but they can follow them, and they've got

685
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 6: the good ones are probably three quarters of a mile radius,

686
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 6: so that's a mile and a half circle that they

687
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 6: can find these fish. And like Ashley said, some of

688
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 6: the guys with them, they can't run at top cruising

689
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 6: speed with them deployed, but they can run twelve thirteen knots.

690
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 6: So some of them are just going out there and

691
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 6: riding around till they ping a fish, and then they

692
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 6: go over there and put their gear out, and if

693
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 6: the fits, they can also tell how deep it is.

694
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 6: So if it's deep and it doesn't come up on

695
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 6: the first pass, they just keep pounding it and pounding

696
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 6: it and pounding it. Eventually that fish more than likely

697
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 6: is going to come up.

698
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: Huh. So they could go all day and never set

699
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: a line. So talk about a competitive advantage, I mean

700
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 3: it's right there.

701
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, the party wants to stick it to those guys.

702
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing, absolutely.

703
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: So at what point, Okay, let's get to like the

704
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 4: pivotal moment in the fish fight. So just a spoiler

705
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: alert here the fish gets bit by a shark.

706
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 3: No, we didn't know anything about it. I mean when

707
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: that fish stove deep when we were fighting, it was

708
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: moved the chair to the left, moved the chair to

709
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: the right. It was a lot of action. But when

710
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 3: he got so exhausted, it's it's natural for these marlin

711
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: to once they get so exhausted, they go down deep

712
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: to try to basically die. And so when he went deep,

713
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: our rod tip was bent like this for the remaining

714
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: three four hours, bent over like this. And it was

715
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: man versus goliath. Wrench up six inches, come down.

716
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: He's just down. He's down, straight down.

717
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: And so and Bailey got exhausted and he was like,

718
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: this is enough, and everybody else looked at each other.

719
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: Nobody wanted to get on the thing. And I was like, well,

720
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: I'll get down there if you want me to. And

721
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 3: why I did not want to do it, there's a

722
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 3: lot of period.

723
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 5: I guess I saw how I wore out.

724
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: I was, yeah, and then they might be the one

725
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: that loses it.

726
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we I came down out of the bridge

727
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: and got strapped in and started working him on the

728
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: on the chair and I'm kind of a sizeable guy,

729
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: and between me and then the six hundred pounds fish,

730
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: the chair kind of decided to break and so the

731
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: foot rest out of the chair, just the pin totally

732
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: bend it down and the bottom of the chair falls

733
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: out and I'm basically standing up with the with the rod.

734
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: The fish doubled over and it's like, holy cow, and

735
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 3: I mean, so the fight's still going on. No sign

736
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 3: of shark, no nothing. So we end up maneuvering over

737
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: to the gunnel and setting it in basically wicked tuna

738
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: style and set it in there and started doing basically

739
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: six inches cranks, and I mean it again, the rod

740
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: was just bent over like this.

741
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 4: And it's so common to happen in a fight with

742
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: the marlin to end it like that, to where the

743
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: fish is down deep.

744
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 6: It's more common than you would think. Yeah, they go

745
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 6: the big ones. When they jump like that, they expend

746
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 6: so much energy. And when they go down deep like that.

747
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot of guys that have more

748
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 6: experience at it than me, but I've caught a few,

749
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 6: and uh, when they go deep like that, they generally

750
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 6: go down there their heart explodes, they have a heart attack,

751
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 6: and they die. So the thing about the shark that

752
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 6: you mentioned, you know that fit. We knew basically how

753
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 6: deep it was because we have a top shot mono

754
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 6: backed by braid on the reel exactly the top shots blue,

755
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 6: the braid is is orange, and we knew the top

756
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 6: shot was two hundred yards, so that's six hundred feet

757
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 6: right there, and then we would kind of judge how

758
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 6: far into the braid we were. And when Bailey on

759
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 6: the get Go was angling, when he was on the surface,

760
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 6: we had the top shot back on the reel. When

761
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 6: he went deep, then he pulled the top shot back

762
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 6: off and we had a significant amount of braid off

763
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 6: as well. So when these guys after Ashley's wrestling match

764
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 6: with the fight and chair, and we knew basically how

765
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 6: deep he was, well probably over a thousand feet at

766
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 6: that point. And then literally, I think he was being

767
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 6: generous and saying six inches a time, it was literally

768
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 6: maybe an inch maybe two inches over a period of

769
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 6: four plus hours trying to get that fish. So and

770
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 6: I knew in my mind that he was already dead.

771
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 6: So whether he got bit before or after or whatever,

772
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 6: I don't know, but uh. You know, none of us

773
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 6: were a thousand feet deep with that fish.

774
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: Okay, so eventually, let's jump ahead. Eventually, here he is

775
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: boat side.

776
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 6: We brought him up. He was straight up and down.

777
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 6: Those last four hours. I sat up on the helm

778
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 6: chair with my feet up in the air, just watching

779
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 6: those guys do their thing. A couple of times I

780
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 6: told them we're gonna lose some line. I gotta bring

781
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 6: the boat up into the current, and then we're gonna

782
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 6: come back hard. We're gonna get them stretched out. We'll

783
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 6: come back hard. Hopefully we'll gain more line. Hopefully we'll

784
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 6: get them floating in the current.

785
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 4: You know. And you and you, but you feel like

786
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 4: the fish is dead. Yes, no head shakes, nothing but

787
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: that in and of itself, there is nothing wrong with that.

788
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 6: No, it's dead, dead weight at that point. So then

789
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 6: what I'm.

790
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 4: Saying, like from a from a rule perspective, that fish

791
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: being dead or alive doesn't matter.

792
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no not. Everything was done there was

793
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 6: to that point within the rules. And now it's just

794
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 6: I mean, we can't uh. You know, we didn't tell

795
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 6: the fish to go down there. We didn't tell them

796
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 6: to die. Uh, And we're just We're just trying to

797
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 6: get them back.

798
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: The reason I'm bringing this up is there a like,

799
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: for instance, I got uh, we got guys that are

800
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: on the show quite often, uh, Seth and Chester. They

801
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 4: like to fish swalleye tournaments. Some of those tournaments the

802
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 4: fish has to be alive, right, as you all know,

803
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 4: in all the bass tournaments, the fish has gotta be alive.

804
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, that's not an issue. Now, there's

805
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: no there's no crime in hauling up a dead fish.

806
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 6: You're exactly correct.

807
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this question, not that this happened

808
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 4: to you, but let's say you're let's say there's some

809
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: freak occurrence, you're cruising along a snag and already dead fish.

810
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: Is that a problem, It's Holly, It's highly unlikely.

811
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll just say, like, theoretically, that's probably not even

812
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: addressed in the rules.

813
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, you might not know it's done, so

814
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 6: you might call it in as being hooked up because

815
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 6: you're trolling it seven eight nots.

816
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 4: Anyways, I guess what I'm getting at with my wild

817
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 4: hypothetical is in the rules, and I haven't I haven't

818
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 4: personally read the rules. In the rules, there's not much

819
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 4: consideration of there's not much consideration of the the sort

820
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 4: of timeline of the fish's death, right right, God.

821
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 6: Well you're bringing it. If you do boat of fish,

822
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 6: it's gonna be dead by the time you get back

823
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 6: to the scales anyway.

824
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: Got it? So any fish coming in is coming in dead, yes, sir.

825
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 4: And the short of bringing a there's no werner into

826
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 4: doing a knee cropsy. You don't know what died in

827
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 4: the water. Out of the water where there's no.

828
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 6: Live Well, it's gonna fit a six pound marline.

829
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 4: So eventually get him up and here he is. Yeah,

830
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: and is he and is he like uh like money python?

831
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: Is he like mostly dead or is he dead?

832
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: He's dead at the doornail?

833
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's not my I thought that's Princess Bride,

834
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 4: isn't it? Philm mostly dead? So he's dead.

835
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 6: These guys keep asking me, can you see him on

836
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 6: the screen because we're straight up and down. So at

837
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 6: some point I'm going to see the fish on my

838
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 6: uh on my sounder.

839
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it.

840
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 6: Took Finally, at about twenty five fathoms, here comes this

841
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 6: line across the screen.

842
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: I knew that was a fish vertical.

843
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 6: Uh, well, it was horizontal because the sounder is always

844
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 6: making a it's like a ticker tape, just.

845
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 4: Because that's how it strikes me. Right, Yeah, but that

846
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 4: fish is coming up, so.

847
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 6: I see the line. I says, he's at twenty five fathoms. Guys,

848
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 6: I see him now, and uh, these guys started to

849
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 6: get a little more energized that they were tall. They

850
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 6: were tired. Man, it's hard. You know, we'd been on

851
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 6: it for hours and hours and people were you know,

852
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 6: there's always a chance you're pulling up six hundred some

853
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 6: pounds of dead weight, So yeah, pull the hook, break

854
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 6: the line anything, you know.

855
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was some serious phrase in the line.

856
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, really starting to come up. And what are the

857
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 4: other mugs who are in the tournament? They're now back

858
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 4: at the marina.

859
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 3: Oh they're they're calling in. Are you sure the sensation

860
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: is still hooked up? Or you know I'm sitting Is.

861
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 4: There a number two fish sitting there already?

862
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: No, nobody had boded one that day. There were what

863
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: three total boats that were still hooked up after the

864
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: lines out?

865
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 4: What really? Yes?

866
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 3: And all of them basically called in released, meaning that

867
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: they knew it wasn't big enough to play, so they

868
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: weren't going to kill the fish and let it go.

869
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 4: At that time, there were four books, four boats fighting marlins,

870
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 4: three total boats, so you and two other boats at

871
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 4: the closing time, right, But they weren't fighting tankers, right.

872
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 6: They were released and gone home well before we ever

873
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 6: saw our.

874
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 4: So they didn't have contempt.

875
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 6: Here is the only boat fighting fish.

876
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 4: But here they are. The world can't move on, that's right,

877
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 4: because we got to see what these guys got.

878
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 6: And you got guys that are on the leaderboard back there,

879
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 6: and you know what part of their bodies puckering at

880
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 6: that time.

881
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 4: Okay, so here the boat comes. Now walk me through

882
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: how you secure the fish.

883
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: Well, I'm reeling it up, and Scooter's right there looking

884
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: over the bike. And as soon as we see the

885
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: leader come touch the tip of the rod, that's considered

886
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: a catch. And so Scooter reaches over there and grabs

887
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: the that's a catch. Yes, he can shake at boat side. Yeah,

888
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: and well how do.

889
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 4: You can't enter them?

890
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's considered a release. So if he comes up

891
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: and you've touched it and then he gets off, then

892
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 3: it's called a release, even though he's dead.

893
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 6: Oh I got Yeah, there's a point category for releases.

894
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 4: That fish got scent, right, Yeah, you doot.

895
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 6: If they're small and you catch one, as soon as

896
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 6: you touch the leader, it's considered a release and you

897
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 6: get points four hundred points for blue marlin, one hundred

898
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 6: and twenty five for sale or a white.

899
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 4: Even if you're you grab that leader, he shakes the

900
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: hook right, doesn't matter, got it?

901
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: So uh, Scooter grabs it, wraps, pulls up and we

902
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: see the bill come up like this on the side

903
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: of the boat. And so Scooter doesn't even put gloves on,

904
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: reaches you gets so excited, reaches over the side and

905
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: grabs the bill right there, holding on and it's just

906
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: like open the door, open the door. And so we

907
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: finally got the door open, and uh, he shoves the

908
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: fish backwards and then below the transom and comes back

909
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: in and the fish is dead, but his mouth is

910
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: like this big coming through. And I reached over and

911
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: grabbed that little maa he gaff and shoved it right

912
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: down his throat and hooked him from the inside and

913
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: we pulled him on the boat. And I mean there

914
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: was still eighteen inches two feet of fish still hanging

915
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: out in the back of the door, and I mean

916
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: it was just celebration happy. I mean nothing. We didn't

917
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: see anything with regard to any bytes or anything. The

918
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 3: pictures that we've got right there just I mean, it's

919
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: a beautiful fish.

920
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was laying on the opposite side of the bikes.

921
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: So we do gotcha, gotcha.

922
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: So I go up to the bridge and they're all,

923
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 3: you know, getting positioned for pictures and I'm taking pictures

924
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: from the bridge for everybody. And then they're secure and

925
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: everything have you.

926
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 4: And at this moment do you call in? Do you

927
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 4: call into the tournament organizers and say, hey, we're coming

928
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 4: in with a big, fatty.

929
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: Yes, and uh, matter of fact, I mean the boat

930
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: we were on. The guy that's over the mic the

931
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: whole day, through the whole tournament. His name is Randy Ramsey,

932
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: and he used to be the owner of Pro Wrestler,

933
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 3: but he built that boat. That was the very first

934
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: Jarrett Bay ever built, the Sensation is and so he

935
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: built it for himself so to be able to call

936
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 3: in to him and say, Sensation just boated the fish.

937
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 3: Maant a lot to us and the tournament everybody. They

938
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: people were driving from hours away to come see this fish.

939
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: And so when we come pulling around the port more

940
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: in city.

941
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 4: Port wall, how many miles did you have to motor?

942
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 6: Fifty five.

943
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: And that's nautical miles, So it's not like a straight

944
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: shot where we've a straight shot a lot of times

945
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: would be a good way to get in, but we

946
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: have to. We have the lookout shoals that come off

947
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: of the beach out to what we call the knuckle,

948
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: so you can either if it's good weather or in

949
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 3: daylight you can shoot the shoals. There's a passage through there,

950
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: or at night you really want to go around the

951
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: knuckle to make sure you don't sit there on two

952
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: foot of water sitting on your side. And so we

953
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: had to go around the knuckle and then come in

954
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: in the dark. And as soon as we came through

955
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: the the port, the turn basin is an no wake

956
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: zone because of all the big ships and stuff, and

957
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: so we turned into the morid City waterfront and the cheers.

958
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 3: It's just really you felt like you had just won

959
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 3: the Stanley Cup.

960
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 4: And at this point you have, Okay, at this point,

961
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 4: what is your awareness and what is your concern about

962
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 4: the bite mark on it?

963
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: Zero didn't even know, I mean just total in the moment,

964
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: people sitting three stories up, hanging off of buildings, people

965
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: in the Marinas, standing it on the bio cheering forest.

966
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: I mean, motoring through that whole area from Jack's Bar

967
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: all the way through where our slip is to the

968
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: Gulf docks and Southern Salt, I mean, it was just

969
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: mind blowing. That experience was, you know, I just I

970
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: can't put it in words. Then backing into the Big

971
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: Rock landing, the fire engines blowing their horns, people cheering.

972
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it was probably the biggest amount of the

973
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: largest amount of people ever been down there the Big

974
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: Rock Tournament.

975
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 4: Okay, let me let me hit you with a couple hypotheticals.

976
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: Let's say you'd pull the fish up and the tail

977
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 4: had been gone.

978
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: Oh that we would call that in. Then you knew

979
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 3: it was over. Yeah, you know it was over.

980
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: Or it's a half a fish, sure got it. So

981
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 4: so there's an aware like there is a there's a

982
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: scenario on which you would recognize that there was a problem,

983
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 4: but this scenario was just zero problem, zero problem. And

984
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: and as as people, what's the first chance that people

985
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 4: get to come up and see the fish clearly.

986
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: We backed into the big rock land and they tossed

987
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: us the lines. We secured the boat. The way master

988
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: gets on the boat and start suspecting the fish. We actually,

989
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: it's in a blanket, so it's covered up, and we

990
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: got blankets over top of it.

991
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 4: You don't want weight loss from driving it out.

992
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: So we peel all that stuff back and he asked

993
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: us questions like did you stick any foreign objects in it?

994
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: A lot of times in these bigger fish when they

995
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: gaff him sometimes they will use a tampon and stick

996
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 3: it in there to keep it from bleeding out. God,

997
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: And so we said, no, there's nothing in nothing in

998
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 3: the fish. Just know we didn't put ice down its throat.

999
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: We didn't do anything to add any weight, no, sir.

1000
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: And so then he.

1001
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 4: Starts he inspects the fish. Yes, as you run a

1002
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 4: metal detector on the fish.

1003
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 3: I didn't see any sign of a metal detector. But

1004
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 3: that's a good question. I just wonder how nitpicky they get.

1005
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 3: Not really, I mean, I mean he was being precise,

1006
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: but it just when he he looked at something around

1007
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: the tail and he was like, what's this And we

1008
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: looked at him like, I don't know and he's like,

1009
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: it looks like a shark bite. And I was like,

1010
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: I can assure you nobody on this boat has seen

1011
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: a shark the whole time, the whole week, we have

1012
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 3: not seen a shark. And so then they kind of

1013
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: step up off the back of the boat and start

1014
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: whispering amongst themselves. I mean it was the crowd was

1015
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: going nuts, like weigh this fish and stuff like that,

1016
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 3: and they're kind of talking in small groups amongst themselves

1017
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 3: and not really talking with us. But and so I

1018
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: get off the boat and I walk over there, and

1019
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: I asked one of the president of the Big Rock

1020
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: Amory and I said, look, you know what's going on.

1021
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 3: He's like, there's a good chance we're not gonna wait

1022
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: his fish. We're not gonna I was like, I was like, Oh,

1023
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: that's that's not gonna be a good idea.

1024
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 6: Yeah. The crowd was getting into mob mentality. They they

1025
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 6: wanted to see that fish hung up and wait and

1026
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 6: is that right? But you call it you were When

1027
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 6: I call in and tell them, you know, we voted

1028
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 6: our fish, he they'll call you back. And they say,

1029
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 6: all right, once you get up and running, cap, you know,

1030
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 6: give us an eta so they put the word out

1031
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 6: it's on streaming on streaming services, and people start coming

1032
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 6: from miles around.

1033
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 4: And you had thrown an estimate their way, right, I.

1034
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 6: Told them we'll be in probably about eleventh estimate. Oh no, no,

1035
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 6: I didn't. I says, we'll be in around eleven thirty

1036
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 6: and we've got one to put on a show. I

1037
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 6: did tell him that.

1038
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 3: Ye, And I was staying in constant contact with Randy

1039
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: directly by end reach out there because where we were

1040
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 3: at it was a little spotted on the voice over

1041
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 3: on the VHF. So he was well aware of everything

1042
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: through in reach.

1043
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 4: Okay, So so you go up to these boys and

1044
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 4: there and there, and their attention is focused on this mark. Yeah,

1045
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 4: and uh, is there? Is there? What is the primary

1046
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 4: question they're looking at? I mean, is there in your

1047
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 4: mind a question about that the mark had been there

1048
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 4: before that it happened while you were fighting the fish,

1049
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 4: Like what what is the initial debate?

1050
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: They give us no kind of inclination of what they're

1051
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: looking for. They're just trying to collect data.

1052
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 4: And so but when he says we're not we might

1053
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 4: not weigh the fish, He's he had to have given

1054
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 4: you like a because.

1055
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 3: It was just and he just said, you know, based

1056
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: off of this, we're not gonna We're not gonna wait

1057
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: the fish. And I was like, I don't. I don't

1058
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: think that's gonna be the best idea. We need to

1059
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: hang this fish. And fully, because the way it was

1060
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 3: bent in the back of the cockpit, you really couldn't.

1061
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: I mean, six hundred pounds you can't really flip it

1062
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: around and maneuver. So they finally decided to go ahead

1063
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: and hang the fish. But they said, well, in a compromise,

1064
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 3: we're not gonna We're gonna hang the fish, but we're

1065
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: not gonna wait. And I was like, oh, this is

1066
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 3: not I was gonna willing to take what I could

1067
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: get at the time. So we got the boat and

1068
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 3: the fish out of the boat. It's sitting up there

1069
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 3: twelve feet in the air. I mean, everybody's cheering, and

1070
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: then they come over the mic and how long is

1071
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 3: that fish? About one hundred and forty four inches, Okay,

1072
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: so about almost twelve feet. That's from the tip of

1073
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: the bill to the back of the tail.

1074
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 6: Four I think there was one hundred and twelve from

1075
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 6: the tip of the lower jaw to the fork of

1076
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 6: the tails.

1077
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 4: Got it, but you throw the bill in there, it's

1078
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 4: twelve foot fish.

1079
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1080
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: So then Tommy Bennett gets on the MC and he's

1081
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 3: up there, he's like, well, based off of rule twenty three,

1082
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 3: we're going to looking at disqualifying the fish. And then the.

1083
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 4: Okay, tell me what rule twenty three says.

1084
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 3: Rule twenty three talks about weight alter casecation alteration, yeah, alteration. Yeah.

1085
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: So it's more so you know, for situations like the

1086
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 3: Walleye tournament and things of that nature.

1087
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 4: Stuff in marlin yeah or dolphin yeah, yeah, I got you.

1088
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but uh, none of that occurred. I mean, that's

1089
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 3: not but in one blip of it, it refers to

1090
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 3: IGF rules apply to mutilation, and so that's it's just

1091
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: like a very small blip. It's it's like playing Super

1092
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 3: Mario Brothers and you got to go over here or Zelda.

1093
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 3: You gotta go over here and find out what you

1094
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: got to do in order to go over here and

1095
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 3: do the thing that you need to do, and it's

1096
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: the Big Rock is not an igf A tournament. So

1097
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: i g f A is a very strict organization based

1098
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 3: off of world records, and they have tournaments that are

1099
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: strictly I GF.

1100
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 4: Well it's IGF A that the ride can't change hands.

1101
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: Right, and there's so many different facets of that. You

1102
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 3: can't handline, you can't there's just it's so rigid to

1103
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 3: be able to just pass off this one rule to

1104
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: IGFA standards. What it tells me is the Big Rock

1105
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: really didn't spend their time with their attorneys to spell

1106
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: it out themselves. I mean, it's very easy to take

1107
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: the same language and just type it in there instead

1108
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 3: of just being you know, haphazard and saying, oh, well,

1109
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: there's two rule books to IGFA, the tournament ones, so.

1110
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 4: They take fish mutilate, fish mutilation, and it's a note

1111
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 4: within the rule about weight alteration. Weight alteration being that

1112
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 4: you've added weight.

1113
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 6: The leadoff of rule twenty three, and the Big Rocks

1114
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 6: rule book is in big bold itals sized letters says

1115
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 6: altercation of weight, and then it goes on down through

1116
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 6: there about how you can't add weight to the fish.

1117
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 6: This you can't put water down at stru can't put

1118
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 6: ice in it.

1119
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 4: That's all Rule twenty three, and then at the.

1120
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 6: Bottom Ashley was referring to it says about mutilation. IGFA

1121
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 6: rule of mutilation and that's about all it says there.

1122
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 6: And you know, did I see a mark on the fish? Yes?

1123
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: I did, but.

1124
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 6: Like Ashley said, there was no concern in my mind,

1125
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 6: it was very superficial mark. And I mean people can

1126
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 6: argue I didn't do my homework, I didn't know the rules.

1127
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 6: I've read the rules one hundred times over, backwards forwards.

1128
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 6: I didn't really not have any concern that this was

1129
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 6: going to be a case to disqualify the fish.

1130
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 4: How do you explain the mark on the fish? I mean,

1131
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 4: is it like just is it just objectively true that

1132
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 4: that's a bite mark from a shark? Or is that

1133
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 4: not objectively true.

1134
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 3: I don't know whether it was a short or it

1135
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: was a barracuda, or I don't know what it was. Honestly,

1136
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 3: I don't know when it happened. I mean, if I've

1137
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 3: gone back and looked at the footage of watching because

1138
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 3: we had to go pro on the whole time, so

1139
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 3: I've got it on GoPro of him breaching him, you know,

1140
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: getting hooked up for the basically the first hour of

1141
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 3: the fight, and we turned it off to save the

1142
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: battery because even more so we needed it for landing

1143
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 3: and so watching that fish and based off of where

1144
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: the bite or the occurrence happened, it wasn't a detriment

1145
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: to its ability to maneuver or fight us. It wasn't

1146
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: like there was a dorsal fin missing or a tail missing,

1147
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 3: or it had been bitten in the stomach area where

1148
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: it would have caused organic I mean organ issues.

1149
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 4: But you feel that is it certain that the fish

1150
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 4: was we'll use bit, Okay, Is it certain that the

1151
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 4: fish was bit after you hooked it? Based off your

1152
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 4: video evidence there that there's that not even app.

1153
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: It's not even absolutely true on it.

1154
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: We can't let's say you knew. Let's say let's say it,

1155
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 4: let's say that the fish had been bit before, meaning

1156
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 4: how often have you caught a fish that's scarred up

1157
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 4: from having been bit?

1158
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it just obviously depends on where you're fishing at.

1159
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, let me get it. For instance, when we're

1160
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 4: fishing where we fish salmon? Okay, I don't know. One

1161
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 4: in definitely, one, one in six, one and seven have

1162
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 4: some kind of mark from U seals, birds, whatever, right,

1163
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 4: And these are fish that are eating a hook, right, Okay,

1164
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 4: So it's it's it's like it's common that it would happen.

1165
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,959
Speaker 4: But I mean, is the nature of the injury such

1166
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 4: that someone would look and say, ah, that there's no

1167
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 4: way that a fish with that mark would have ever

1168
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 4: been in the mood to hit a bait.

1169
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: No, nothing has ever been said about that.

1170
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 4: And do the rules say anything about that. You can't

1171
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 4: catch and submit a fish that had had a bad

1172
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 4: thing happened to it in the past.

1173
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 6: No.

1174
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 3: On the contrary, what it's what they're they're relying to

1175
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: on and that where i GFA points that out is

1176
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: when it's an competitive advantage for the angler, that basically

1177
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: saying that you're not fighting one hundred percent of that fish.

1178
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 3: So to answer your question, you're exactly right. There's nothing

1179
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: in there language wise to say that if that fish

1180
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 3: had encountered something minutes before it the bit the hook.

1181
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: But we saw no definition normally if it encounters a shark.

1182
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: Sharks aren't just you know, hey, I'm gonna eat one bite.

1183
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 4: And then that's what I thought was so puzzling, yeah,

1184
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 4: is why would he if you're bringing a fish up

1185
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 4: inches at a time, how would there be anything and

1186
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 4: you got like a shortfin mako down there there wouldn't

1187
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 4: be no fish.

1188
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 6: They wouldn't.

1189
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 4: That's what.

1190
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 3: That's what.

1191
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 4: That's one thing that puzzled me by is like, how

1192
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 4: would how would the shark ever be like yeah, never mind, Yeah,

1193
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 4: they wouldn't make any sense. Like it's like hanging there right.

1194
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 4: You couldn't ask for a better chance for a shark

1195
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 4: to devower.

1196
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 6: Your freemale like that.

1197
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 4: But the fact that he would just be like, nah,

1198
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 4: that might I had enough energy to nip it, but

1199
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 4: I don't want to eat it just doesn't make sense.

1200
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 3: Right, And that's where we're kind of coming at with it.

1201
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: That though IGFA has their rules and I respect them

1202
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 3: ole hardly. I've talked to Zach at IGFA about this

1203
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: whole situation and he says, actually, we don't really have

1204
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 3: a dog in the fight because they're not IGFA sanctioned.

1205
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: They don't answer to us. They chose to arbitrarily pull

1206
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: one of our rules out and reference it. You know,

1207
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 3: that's between you and the tournament.

1208
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 4: But that but the IGFA rule does have language about

1209
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 4: getting mauled by a shark.

1210
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: It has about that coming into any counter with marine mammals,

1211
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: the propeller of the boat. I mean, it's kind of

1212
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 3: more so back in the day, a lot of people

1213
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: would if they couldn't stop a big fish, they'd run

1214
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 3: it over, you know, trying to give a competitive advantage.

1215
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: Got it my argument totally beyond a shadow of doubt.

1216
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: They have not proved that based off of the mutilation

1217
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 3: rule it has satisfactory persuaded anybody that's been on that

1218
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: boat that it gave us a competitive advantage. They want

1219
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 3: to just take the first part of the rule and

1220
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: apply it and not give the meaning of the rule merit.

1221
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: And so my argument to the Big Rock, and I

1222
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 3: think that this would help every angler out there that

1223
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: participates in this one hundred and seventy one boat tournament

1224
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: and set a precedent's moving forward to be a leader

1225
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 3: in the industry, is to do away with IGFA reference,

1226
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,959
Speaker 3: come up with your own language, and instead of discounting

1227
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 3: a majestic animal that we're encountering and just frivolously throwing

1228
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 3: it away, bring it in, weigh it, hang it, utilize

1229
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 3: it for science like we should for conservation needs, be

1230
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 3: able to utilize it for especially if it's not been

1231
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: mutilated to a point where it's edible for human consumers.

1232
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 3: I mean and that in my mind, that would be

1233
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 3: where mutilation would take you too, and discount the fish

1234
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 3: by one hundred you know, make a penalty for it

1235
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 3: for encountering it, not at one hundred pounds or seventy

1236
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 3: five pounds or one hundred and fifty pounds, whatever they feel,

1237
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 3: but get away from the IGFA rules if you're not

1238
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 3: going to encounter all the IGFA rules.

1239
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 4: How many fish historically at this tournament have been pitched

1240
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 4: for this type of violation?

1241
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: Realistically, in the past three tournaments, there's been two, I mean,

1242
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 3: the two winning the two potential winning fish have been utilized,

1243
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 3: had to utilize that particular rule that being the top

1244
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: dog in ours, and so that's just.

1245
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 4: How much Tell me what was up with the other incident?

1246
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 3: Well, the other instance, it was a record setting fish

1247
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 3: that they say that the top dog had already landed

1248
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 3: the fish. Now, there's no real definition of landed. Some

1249
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 3: people think it's when the bill covered passes the horizon

1250
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 3: of the transommer, your full control of the fish, or

1251
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 3: the fight is over, which is even more ambiguous. That

1252
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: they encountered sharks. There was two sharp bites on it

1253
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 3: got numerous news articles talking about the sharp bites on it.

1254
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 3: Plus the guy didn't really have an adoor that was

1255
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 3: satisfactory to pull that fish in there, so they crammed

1256
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 3: in as much of the fish as they could, tied

1257
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 3: a tail rope across of it, and hung it to

1258
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 3: the bridge to bend the fish in half, which it

1259
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 3: said they encountered a lot of the the exhaust heat

1260
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 3: coming in, you know, from the time it was boded

1261
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 3: and brought in, so all that mutilation. Literally that fish

1262
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 3: couldn't hang on its own weight, it was so big.

1263
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 3: But at the mutilation, if you look at them side beside,

1264
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's mutilated. It's not fit for human fish. Yeah,

1265
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 3: and know that fish won the tournament, won the tournament.

1266
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 4: So picture that you had a bunch of with all

1267
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 4: brought classified documents home to their house and then one

1268
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 4: of them got in trouble. Yeah, so imagine that. But like,

1269
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 4: why was that fish?

1270
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, they're trying to say that there was indisputable

1271
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 3: video documentation that that mutilation happened after the fight was

1272
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 3: over and the boat the fish had been boated.

1273
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 4: So they're saying, oh, I got bit by a shark,

1274
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 4: but it got bit by a shark after the bill

1275
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 4: broke the transom.

1276
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 3: Or landed the quote unquote landed.

1277
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 4: But I would see in that case, I would argue

1278
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 4: just putting my argument hat on. In that case, I

1279
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 4: would be like, well, must that have been that landed?

1280
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 3: Right?

1281
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 4: If it's gitting eaten by shark.

1282
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 3: They on the last interview I did, got asked pose

1283
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 3: the same question. I said, well, guys, I've Marlon fished

1284
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,479
Speaker 3: a lot in my day, and I've never come into

1285
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 3: contact with anybody that said, hey, you'll never believe this story.

1286
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 3: We had a landed marlin that jumped in the cockpit

1287
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 3: of the boat, bit the shark, bit the Marlon twice

1288
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 3: and then jumped back overboard. I mean, if it was landed,

1289
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: it should have in a situation where a shark wasn't

1290
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 3: available to eat it. So and they won, Yeah, they won,

1291
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 3: and in the past, in the past twenty years.

1292
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 4: But but but on that case, uh, there's no observer

1293
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 4: right right?

1294
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 6: No, they did.

1295
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 3: They polygraph polygraph you guys, they did they polygraphed greg.

1296
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 6: The next morning, would they ask and they had They

1297
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 6: had already made their decision before I even finished.

1298
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 3: The place raft.

1299
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 6: They asked there was It was a long process kind

1300
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 6: of unnerving, you know, they strap you all this stuff,

1301
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 6: and they asked a couple of base questions. Is it

1302
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 6: the month of June? That type of thing. They're all

1303
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 6: yes or no questions. Sure, did anybody, anyone of you

1304
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 6: or your crew knowingly cheat in the Big Rock Tournament

1305
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 6: to alter the weight of your fish? Blah blah blah. No,

1306
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 6: you know, so several questions like that. They did focus

1307
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 6: on the mark on the fish and a few questions.

1308
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 3: Like what.

1309
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 4: When did you become aware?

1310
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, when did you become aware? Were you aware of

1311
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 6: the uh uh mark on the fish when you first

1312
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 6: put it on the boat? No? You know, and then

1313
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 6: I mean I saw the mark on them again, I

1314
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 6: didn't have much concern that it was going to be

1315
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 6: a problem, you know, no thing with this whole rule. Uh.

1316
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 6: There's been a moratorium on commercial shark fishing for a

1317
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 6: dozen years now, and there are a whole bunch of

1318
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 6: sharks out there, so it's going to get worse and worse.

1319
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 6: And these fish, like we talked about, have a tendency

1320
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 6: to go deep also when they're you guys know from

1321
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 6: your hunting and you're fishing these animals when they're wounded

1322
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 6: or hooked. A fish is hooked, it puts off a signal.

1323
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 4: Oh do they know?

1324
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 6: Man throw the water? So these sharks, it's like bringing

1325
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 6: the dinner bell.

1326
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable. I don't understand how they know about how

1327
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 4: they know there's a fish stressed. Yeah, it's incredible.

1328
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 6: Absolutely. So you're you know, you're talking about your seals

1329
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 6: and stuff out here. You know, we're a little different

1330
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 6: with our with the sharks and stuff.

1331
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. So that did they wind up getting Did you

1332
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 4: get a certified weight so that this can get sorted out? Yes,

1333
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 4: so they did that. They at least banked a certified weight.

1334
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 3: Six hundred and nineteen point four pounds.

1335
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 4: Okay, they wrote unofficial, but they agreed, like there's there's

1336
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 4: a there's an absolute agreement on what the weight is, right, Okay.

1337
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 3: With respect to this encounter of mutilation, Over the past

1338
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 3: twenty years, there's about eight different cases where the Big

1339
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 3: Rock has allowed four fish that had been had come

1340
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 3: in contact and had been bitten by other fish to

1341
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 3: still hang, to still be weighed, and to still remained

1342
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 3: on the leader board or receive a daily prize. And

1343
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 3: so my argument isn't necessarily directed towards the top dog,

1344
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 3: which everybody's trying to be deal with the comparison because

1345
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 3: it was so recent, But there are plenty of other instances,

1346
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 3: and that's where I really feel like the Big Rock

1347
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 3: can utilize this particular instance to be able to benchmark

1348
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 3: change the rules, change the rules to something that's more

1349
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 3: favorable based on the conditions that we're dealing with these days,

1350
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 3: and be able to archive all the bad decisions that

1351
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 3: they've made in the past in order to be able

1352
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: to move forward so that we don't have this controversy anymore. Sure,

1353
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 3: and we're able to utilize the fish. We're not being

1354
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 3: bad stewarts of a resource, and we're able to you know,

1355
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 3: make this tournament better. And I think that that would

1356
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 3: draw more anglers in there where it shows empathy from

1357
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 3: the board, not totalitarian.

1358
01:08:53,400 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 4: Yep, yep. They got the certified weight the asterisk. But

1359
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 4: but but they can later agree to the certified weight.

1360
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 6: They put unofficial on the board. Yeah, that's another thing

1361
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 6: they didn't Usually they'll put a uh, they pin a

1362
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 6: placard right to the fish with the weight on it.

1363
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 6: We didn't get that, you know, we didn't get any

1364
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 6: of the interviews they normally do.

1365
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 4: Got plenty of interviews.

1366
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 6: Well yeah, one not for you, but.

1367
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 4: So okay that there's there's two remaining things I want

1368
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 4: to talk I want to talk about the what's next?

1369
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 4: Want but I just to get a little bit of

1370
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 4: an understanding. How did how did this based on your perspective,

1371
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 4: how did this spread so much?

1372
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 6: I think the uh, the outrage of the crowd, Like

1373
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 6: I actually said, there's probably twelve thousand people there.

1374
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 4: I mean, and they were on your side, and oh yeah, really.

1375
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to tear down the gates and start

1376
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 3: a riot. I mean they they had hated me. The

1377
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 3: microphone has said actually we're gonna hang this fish. But

1378
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 3: on the on the consideration that you calmed the crowd.

1379
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 3: And I looked right at Tommy, I said, look, man,

1380
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,839
Speaker 3: this is you don't want to hand me that microphone

1381
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 3: right now. I was like this.

1382
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 4: People were like, people were basically this.

1383
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 3: Is bullshit, yes, one hundred percent.

1384
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's videos of people they're chating.

1385
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is ridiculous, and a lot more uncertain terms, huh,

1386
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 3: and I and people that would know what they're talking about, yes,

1387
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 3: And they basically were trying to put us off to

1388
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,799
Speaker 3: the next day for the decision, basically for crowd control.

1389
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 3: It had nothing. They had already made their minds up

1390
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 3: of what they were going to do. We had to

1391
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 3: really push the issue to be able to get them

1392
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 3: to hang the fish, to wait to fish, to announce

1393
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 3: the wake. Because they kept telling me Ashley, it's enough wake,

1394
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 3: it's enough weight. I'm like, that's I'm not going to

1395
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 3: go to bed tonight with the idea that it's enough waight,

1396
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,560
Speaker 3: And I said. The whole idea of waiting till tomorrow

1397
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 3: to find out how messed up we were the night

1398
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 3: before reminded me of the twenty twenty election dealing with

1399
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. I just I'm sitting here, like, how do

1400
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 3: we find out, you know, with great certainty putting two

1401
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy one boats in limbo the sushi and

1402
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 3: we have no problem with the sushi or any of

1403
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 3: the other you know people that were involved. Our beef

1404
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 3: is not with them. Yeah, it's with the tournament to

1405
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 3: be able to make our our anglers, our tournament better,

1406
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 3: and our community better.

1407
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 4: I don't want to don't don't name the person, but

1408
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 4: is it ultimately is it ultimately at the discretion of

1409
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 4: one individual, or is that the discretion of a panel

1410
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 4: of judges.

1411
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,560
Speaker 3: It's a panel of judges. I think there's about forty

1412
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 3: forty people that are on the board of but it's

1413
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 3: where they split. There's a rules committee that's made up

1414
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 3: of a percentage of them that the whole overall board

1415
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 3: is forty. I don't know exactly how many are on

1416
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 3: the rules committee. They would not give me a verdict.

1417
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 3: The only thing that I've heard from the Big Rock

1418
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 3: is two things since this whole thing went down that

1419
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 3: Saturday night. Was one, when I talked to Amory, which

1420
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 3: is the president and the one of the attorneys, Roger Crowe.

1421
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 3: They called me two minutes after Greg was supposed to

1422
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 3: go in for his polygraph tests and to tell me

1423
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 3: that they were disqualifying the fish, which told me that

1424
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 3: they weren't taking any of what Greg was doing over

1425
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 3: there into consideration that there's no way they met.

1426
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 4: It didn't hinge on the results of that polygay exactly.

1427
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 6: They also cut the live streaming feed that they have

1428
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 6: going on, and that was I had several people, man,

1429
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 6: I was watching it on the streaming and all of

1430
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 6: a sudden it just went out, really and they cut

1431
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 6: that on purpose, so that everybody, I mean probably hundreds

1432
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 6: of thousands were watching that live stream and now all

1433
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 6: of a sudden it just got cut off. I had

1434
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 6: people tell me, I'm searching the internet to try to

1435
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 6: find another fee.

1436
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 4: Is it a is there a Is there a appeals

1437
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,919
Speaker 4: process and articulated appeals process.

1438
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 3: Yes, it's spelled out in the contract, in the application

1439
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 3: that we all sign, and it basically says, this is

1440
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 3: my second point. I just remember, I'm glad you. It

1441
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 3: says that we have the ability to protest, you know,

1442
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 3: based off of you know, being a member of the

1443
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 3: entry we entered a tournament, and I have filed no

1444
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 3: paperwork of lawsuit.

1445
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 4: You haven't.

1446
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 3: No, this has been totally just about the protest. And

1447
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 3: so the only thing I did was retain counsel to

1448
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 3: be able to help me through the situation, through the

1449
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 3: mediation portion of it. And so, in a knee jerk reaction,

1450
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 3: the Big Rock Committee sends an text message to my

1451
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 3: attorney telling me that I have been barred from any

1452
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: Big Rock events moving forward indefinitely because of what because

1453
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 3: I protested a rule that they are that they had.

1454
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 3: All I'm doing is asking for clarification, and so they've

1455
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 3: taken it.

1456
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,520
Speaker 4: I could see if you were like storm the gates.

1457
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 3: I'm not been anything like that. On the contrary, I've

1458
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 3: been very accommodating and very proactive.

1459
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 4: You're fighting for your fish, that's right.

1460
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 3: I'm fighting for all the English too. I'm fighting for

1461
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 3: a rule change, not necessarily on my fish, but moving

1462
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 3: forward as one of the situations that we need to

1463
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 3: bring a platform too. But they have barred us from

1464
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 3: the kids Big Rock, which does nothing but cause harm

1465
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 3: to the kids that want to be involved. It's the KWLA,

1466
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 3: our future charters that want to be involved in with

1467
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 3: the Big Rock. I mean, it's just it's almost like

1468
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 3: you're trying to strong arm something. I mean, if they

1469
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 3: felt good enough with their decision that they made that night,

1470
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 3: they should feel real confident that they're going to be

1471
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 3: found in favor and then they'll move on.

1472
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 4: So if I ask them why you were barred, they'd say,

1473
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 4: because you're you're being a sore loser.

1474
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 3: I guess that's the only thing.

1475
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 4: But that's what they'd have.

1476
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 6: In their rules, that there's a provision for protest. I mean,

1477
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 6: we're just following their rule book at this point.

1478
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 3: Man, I don't have people picketing out in front of

1479
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 3: their office. I don't have you know, any negative directed

1480
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 3: towards them personally.

1481
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 4: So they have a rule that you can challenge, and

1482
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 4: you challenge within the rule.

1483
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 3: Right.

1484
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,600
Speaker 6: They say, how you have to do it before the

1485
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 6: awards are given out, which actually did to the letter,

1486
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 6: and now before they're even their due process is done

1487
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,560
Speaker 6: in their rules with this mediation, they've sent them a

1488
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 6: letter saying that we're no longer allowed to enter any

1489
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 6: you too, Well, I guess I don't know if it's

1490
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 6: the boat, him or me or what. Maybe I need

1491
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 6: to find a new job, huh.

1492
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 3: Ashually, I wouldn't let you job hinge on just that tournament.

1493
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 3: We'll win the next.

1494
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 4: One, man, So if you so, what will happen now?

1495
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 3: Well, we've got mediations starting Thursday morning, and that's going

1496
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 3: to include Big Rock, the Sushi and the second and

1497
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 3: third place boats where we're all going to kind of

1498
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 3: meet and try to try to hash this out and whatnot.

1499
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 4: And are they holding all that jingle and escrow right

1500
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 4: now or have they handed it out?

1501
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing's been dispersed as far as the funds and whatnot.

1502
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 3: And rightfully, so I mean, I don't think anybody is

1503
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 3: necessarily trying to make their fuel bill off of the

1504
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 3: winnings of that particular tournament, though it would be nice

1505
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,520
Speaker 3: to having their account. But I think a week later.

1506
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 6: The people that are giving us backlash, and that is

1507
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 6: a very small minorities. We have an incredible amount of support,

1508
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 6: but the ones that are saying, oh, you're being selfish,

1509
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 6: you're holding out these other people's money, and again, we're

1510
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 6: just following the protocol what is set forth.

1511
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've had a lot of people. It was amazing.

1512
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 3: A lot of people didn't think I was going to

1513
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 3: show up to the awards ceremony because of the emotional

1514
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 3: roller coaster of the night before. I'm the type of

1515
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 3: person I'm I'm gonna be there regardless. So I show

1516
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 3: up up and we're going through the wards and everything,

1517
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 3: and they're handing out the checks and whatnot, and they're

1518
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 3: announcing such and such boat won this. Uh is there

1519
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 3: a representative for this boat? Nope? All right, Uh that

1520
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 3: we're gonna be going through this this pretty quick. And

1521
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 3: there was probably about six or seven boats that in

1522
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 3: protests didn't even show up for their own checks. Really

1523
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 3: I've had an outcrying of boat owners and captains come

1524
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 3: up to me and say, look, you know, keep the course.

1525
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 3: You're doing a great job. We had this situation at

1526
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 3: such and such date, and you know, we didn't say anything,

1527
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 3: and it just keeps cropping up, and nobody's really had

1528
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 3: the balls to stand up and say, hey, you know,

1529
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 3: we got a problem here. We need we need to

1530
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:45,759
Speaker 3: correct it and move forward.

1531
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 4: I feel that I don't really know, and this is

1532
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 4: all new to me, and I'm only getting what you

1533
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 4: guys are telling me. But man, I feel like I

1534
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 4: feel if you had if you if you took it

1535
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 4: to it, let's say you had to take it to

1536
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 4: a jury, Okay, a jury of your peers, like in

1537
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 4: different peers. I feel that there would be so many

1538
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 4: areas where you would create like the reasonable doubt around

1539
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 4: even like the sequencing, right, you know, unless you could

1540
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 4: have a bunch of fish experts and physiologists come in

1541
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 4: and say that there's no way that you know, like

1542
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 4: the timeline of stuff, you know. I feel like the

1543
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 4: people would be like, I can't I can't say absolutely

1544
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 4: that that that's it. But but again they're not. That's

1545
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 4: not how they decide there. They don't decide their disputes

1546
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 4: with a jury trial. But like thinking about it in

1547
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 4: that way, I feel that, based on my understanding, if

1548
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 4: it went to a jury, it'd be it'd be very

1549
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,839
Speaker 4: hard to deprive you of the win in that scenario.

1550
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 4: To get a unanimous you know what I mean, To

1551
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 4: get twelve people to unanimously degree to kick your fish out,

1552
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 4: it would be a tough I don't think it happened.

1553
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 4: It'd be tough, man. It takes some it takes some

1554
01:18:58,520 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 4: lawyer in man.

1555
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 3: One thing we can take away is we entered that

1556
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 3: tournament at fifty two five hundred dollars. We put together

1557
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 3: a group of people that have unconditionally supported each other.

1558
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 3: We've fished against all types of opposition, being the omni

1559
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 3: sonar and all the other things. Uh. We fished against

1560
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 3: the world's best fishermen, and by god, we brought the

1561
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 3: biggest freaking fish to the landing. Yeah.

1562
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, they can't take that away from us. No, No,

1563
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 4: it's oh so Uh how much would the fish for

1564
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 4: to one three.

1565
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 3: Point around three point five million dollars? The first place

1566
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 3: Sushi only got like two point seven because the fish

1567
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 3: was the two categories that they won were the biggest fish,

1568
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 3: but they didn't qualify. It wasn't over five hundred pounds,

1569
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 3: so they didn't get the Fabulous Fishermen, which was the

1570
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 3: extra three quarters of a million dollars.

1571
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 4: What's uh are you guys friends at that other boat?

1572
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 3: I never met him in my life?

1573
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 4: What's what's that? What's what's that dynamic? If you don't

1574
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 4: want to speak to what that dynamic looks like right now,

1575
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 4: you don't need to.

1576
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 3: We really haven't spoken much much to them, so I

1577
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 3: mean I still hold them in respect of you know,

1578
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 3: where they're at in their position.

1579
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 4: And sure they're in a delicate position to right. Yeah,

1580
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 4: got it? Huh man. I used to think that if

1581
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 4: I was going to go back at the time, I'd

1582
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 4: become a raffle in sweepstakes lawyer. I can't it take

1583
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 4: me a long time to explain my frustrations with raffle

1584
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 4: and sweepstakes law But I feel like I might if

1585
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 4: I went to law school, man might become a fish

1586
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 4: tournament lawyer.

1587
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 6: What's been cool about talking with you too?

1588
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 3: Is?

1589
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 6: Uh? You know what we've done all these I told

1590
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 6: some of my friends, I think I need a press secretary.

1591
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 6: You know, I got all these people, and but it's

1592
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 6: only been little blurbs, and all they want to do

1593
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 6: is talk about the contrary. So what got lost in

1594
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 6: all this is the epicness of catching this fish for

1595
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 6: the last hour of the last day and we're out

1596
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 6: there for six hours and they're just listening back on

1597
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 6: the OC on the radio, you know, and our supporters

1598
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 6: are praying and hoping and rooting for us. And then

1599
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 6: you know, Bailey doing such a great job angling where

1600
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 6: he never really he's fought some big tuna, I think,

1601
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 6: but that's a whole different different way we fight him,

1602
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 6: for sure. Uh. You know, it's just great fish story.

1603
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 6: You know, there's great fish stories out.

1604
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 4: There if you're gonna do a movie, and this is.

1605
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 6: One of them. You know, we went uh what five

1606
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 6: hours into overtime, you know, and probably every other boat

1607
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 6: by that point in the tournament was back in their slip.

1608
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 6: You know, we're the only ones out there. We're still

1609
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 6: we're watching the sun go down, We're still trying to

1610
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 6: get this fish to the surface, you know. So and

1611
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 6: that's kind of what I got lost. What I say

1612
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 6: about them not putting the weight placard on not giving

1613
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 6: us our time on the microphone. At the Big Rock,

1614
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 6: that's all part of the uh. They have this beautiful

1615
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 6: fountain there what hundred pound brass statue of Marlin and

1616
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 6: there's water, and every Big Rock winner has a plaque

1617
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:08,759
Speaker 6: on that fountain.

1618
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 3: The boat dasting granted etched in there.

1619
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 6: We're not going to get that, you know. So and

1620
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 6: it's a huge story. Now. We had a comment. I

1621
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 6: made a comment in one interview that you know, a

1622
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 6: year from now, nobody's gonna care. And and somebody made

1623
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 6: a comment on one of these social media as well,

1624
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 6: you're right, they won't care. All those T shirts are selling,

1625
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 6: it will just be in the thrift stores by then,

1626
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 6: you know.

1627
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 4: And what are the T shirts?

1628
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 3: The T shirt's just my daughter. I left her in

1629
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 3: charge of She's twelve years old and she has been

1630
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 3: a huge supporter and she loves that boat more than

1631
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 3: any people. And so she came up and she's like, Dad,

1632
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: we really need to have a T shirt that says

1633
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 3: Team Sensation People's Champ twenty twenty three Big Rock and

1634
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 3: have the boat on it. I said, you know, girl,

1635
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 3: you've done such a good job and marketing and everything,

1636
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 3: and if you're twelve years old, and if you want

1637
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 3: to do that, by George, We're gonna do it. So

1638
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 3: we have sold almost six thousand T shirts really in

1639
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 3: one week, and we've got a list of more, and

1640
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 3: it's just the outpouring of people's support has just been

1641
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 3: mind blowing. And my daughter right now is now I

1642
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 3: think she could teach a business class because she's got

1643
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 3: she's working off of three different computers, she's got Venmo working.

1644
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 4: She's I'm gonna bring her into my law offer man,

1645
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 4: my fish Turny law fer marketing wing.

1646
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 3: And her name is Bristol Blue. Just as a shot out,

1647
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 3: that's great.

1648
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 4: Well, I'll say this, I hope justice is done, you

1649
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 4: know without like, I'm just not a subject matter expert,

1650
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 4: and to be honest with you, I'm not going to

1651
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 4: go read everything about it. But I mean, like, like

1652
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 4: I said, like if you look at it for me,

1653
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 4: you know, looking at the story, like at just kind

1654
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 4: of when you put a I was exposed to an

1655
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:06,799
Speaker 4: argument the other day and some person in the argument said,

1656
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 4: I'm using common sense? What are you using?

1657
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 3: Right?

1658
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 4: Taken from that angle, it's it's unfortunate, right, But but

1659
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 4: I realized that that that's not always the measure we

1660
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,600
Speaker 4: apply to stuff. So, but if I heard down the

1661
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 4: road you guys want your appeal, I'd feel pretty good

1662
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 4: about it. Yes, without without knowing that you know, I'm

1663
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 4: not the judge, right, I'm not the judge. I'm just

1664
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 4: I'm just a guy listened to a fish story, you know.

1665
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we appreciate this opportunity, and you've got a great platform,

1666
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 3: and it's just an honor to be here.

1667
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you guys came and told the full story,

1668
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 4: and you're right man like just I mean, just such

1669
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 4: a wild story to hook it.

1670
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 3: And we should get fight at the end of the

1671
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 3: sett and sun.

1672
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 4: You know it's great.

1673
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 6: We should get meat Eater out to the East coast

1674
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 6: and do an episode on the sensation.

1675
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 4: I'd like to well me and Kran. I was telling

1676
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 4: her it wasn't I Kran. Before it even happened. I

1677
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 4: was telling her how if we ought to go down.

1678
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 4: I was telling the Kream, we need to take our

1679
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 4: equipment go down. And she gets bad seasick, she told me. So,

1680
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 4: I don't know what we're gonna do with her, but

1681
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 4: bring her down there and load her up on all

1682
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 4: the bracelets and things behind her ears and whatnot. And uh,

1683
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 4: and we wanted to make like a like an audio

1684
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 4: experience off of Marlin Tournament. That would be cool, it'd

1685
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 4: be fun to do. Well, guys, thanks so much for

1686
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 4: coming out.

1687
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 3: Man.

1688
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 4: I'll be anxious to see what all happens. And I

1689
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 4: don't think those t shirts are gonna wind up at

1690
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 4: the where they say they're gonna wind up.

1691
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, at the at the Salvation Army store or something

1692
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 6: like that. People, I can't go on my phone. I

1693
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 6: can't barely scroll because it's ping, ping ping, going to

1694
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 6: the you know sensation. Uh, the Facebook is I mean

1695
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 6: I can't even barely get on my phone to do

1696
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 6: make call my friend or something. Oh really, because there's

1697
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 6: so many messages coming through. If people wanting these shirts

1698
01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 6: and stuff, you.

1699
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 4: Know you was all married, yes you want You're not married. No,

1700
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 4: you've been leveraging this for dates and stuff.

1701
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 3: You might as.

1702
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 6: No. I have a beautiful girlfriend. And yeah, she was

1703
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 6: there at the Big Rock Land and I could hear

1704
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 6: her yelling.

1705
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 3: Gregg, I love you.

1706
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,799
Speaker 6: So that was pretty cool. Yeah, when we were backing

1707
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 6: in and I'm looking for you know, it was pretty cool.

1708
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 4: Well, like I said, man, I hope justice is served,

1709
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 4: trying to choose my words carefully. I hope justice is served.

1710
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 4: If I hear that you got your money, I'd be tickled.

1711
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 4: So thank you man.

1712
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 7: Thanks coming on, guys, Seal Gray John like silver in

1713
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:10,480
Speaker 7: the sun, Ride ride, ride on alone, sweetheart.

1714
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 8: We're done, beat this damp horse to death, taking a

1715
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:23,839
Speaker 8: new one and ride away. We're done, beat this damn

1716
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 8: horse death. So take a new one and ride on.