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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge, presented by DraftKings. We are here

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Speaker 1: to talk about the latest Ravens news from over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: It was a nice weekend. No football, well watch the football,

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Speaker 1: No Ravens football this weekend.

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Speaker 2: It's a relaxing weekend. It's a stress free weekend. You

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Speaker 2: get to win on Thursday, then you can just watch

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Speaker 2: all the football that you want, which you said is

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Speaker 2: the best, which is great, which is no stress.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, except when you're forced to watch the Browns face

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Seilers.

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Speaker 2: That game was borderline unwatchable. But you knew that one

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Speaker 2: of those teams is going to lose, and so yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying the game itself was like it could

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Speaker 1: have been a more more fun game. Like if I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna just sit on my couch and watch the faball game,

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Speaker 1: can I get a better game than that?

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Speaker 2: That'd have been enjoyable. Maybe tonight's game Chiefs Seagulls could

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Speaker 2: be what you're looking at. That could be anyway.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about this past weekend the latest

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Speaker 1: Ravens news, including mark injuries injury, Mark Andrew's injury update,

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Speaker 1: and also break down the film from the Ravens thirty

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Speaker 1: four to twenty win over the Bengals. So Garrett, let's

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Speaker 1: just start with the latest news. And obviously, my Mark

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Speaker 1: Andrews suffered an ankle, major ankle injury. John Harball said

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Speaker 1: it was likely season ending on Thursday night, now Monday,

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Speaker 1: he says there's a chance, there's a chance, an outside chance.

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Speaker 1: He said that Mark Andrews could return. Yeah, great news.

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Speaker 1: What do you think do you think Mark come back?

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Speaker 1: What do you handicap?

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Speaker 2: This had a little bit more contact, So he went

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Speaker 2: testing in an MRI after the game on Thursday, and

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Speaker 2: basically that MRI revealed that, you know, it's bad in

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Speaker 2: some ways, but it's not quite as bad as initially feared.

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Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of positivity with a sliver

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Speaker 2: of good news amidst the bad news. Secondly, he's going

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Speaker 2: he's consulting with doctor Robert Anderson, who's a well known

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Speaker 2: foot and ankle specialist down to Charlotte. So he's going

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Speaker 2: down and going to consult with him this week and

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Speaker 2: later this week the Ravens should have a firmer idea

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Speaker 2: of anti potential return timeline for a Drews. So just

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Speaker 2: to add that as a little bit of additional context.

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Speaker 2: I think it's obviously it's when you consider where we

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Speaker 2: were on Thursday, where the news was season's over the

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Speaker 2: fact that he could potentially come back and play this year,

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Speaker 2: I think is great. Now, you know, that would be

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Speaker 2: a tall order. That's asking a lot for a guy

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Speaker 2: who's coming off of a serious injury. But John Harbaugh

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Speaker 2: said this many times as this press conference on Monday,

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Speaker 2: like Mark wants to play. This dude's a competitor. He's

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Speaker 2: as serious as it gets like And to me, all

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Speaker 2: that indicated like Mark is going to do everything he

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Speaker 2: can to be back out there's anyway. I didn't need

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Speaker 2: to tell me that, you know that. I know. If

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Speaker 2: there's any way that Mark and play, he would play. Now, look,

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Speaker 2: I don't know it. Like there's there's six weeks left

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Speaker 2: in the regular season, so getting back for the regular

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Speaker 2: season seems like it would be a stretch, no be

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Speaker 2: a long playoff run, plenty of opportunities.

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Speaker 1: The reports on the on the specifics of the injury

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Speaker 1: is a cracked fibula. This is according to Ian Rapport

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Speaker 1: cracked fibula and angle limit leg injury right and then

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Speaker 1: NFL Networks Mike Gariffolo tweeted that it would be a

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Speaker 1: deep playoff run. You know, for Mark Andrews come back,

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Speaker 1: they would need a deep playoff front. Yeah right, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm down signing.

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Speaker 2: Up Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Get him back for the Super Bowl. Sure, let's go,

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Speaker 1: Let's let's ride. So I will say that any if

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Speaker 1: Mark Andrews returns at any point, that's a huge aboost

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Speaker 1: to this offense.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: You know, if we're if we're rolling six eight weeks

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Speaker 1: from now, the offense will continue to evolve and change.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, I don't know that Mark Andrews is

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Speaker 1: going to come back and be the leading receiver when

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Speaker 1: he comes back, but anything that he can contribute because

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Speaker 1: of the caliber player he is, that would be a

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Speaker 1: great boost.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Emotionally too, just having him back to you know,

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Speaker 2: just just think about the possibilities. You know, the Raves

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Speaker 2: hosting that AFC championship here in Baltimore and then Mark

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Speaker 2: Andrews goes run out of that tunnel. I mean you

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Speaker 2: have visions of that, right, yeah, you can have visions

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Speaker 1: Kind of like it's kind of like Gray coming back,

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Speaker 1: Ray coming back for the last ride. Now, it's not

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Speaker 1: the last ride for Mark Andrews. But that, like the

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Speaker 1: emotional boost that that provided the Ravens when Ray came

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that stuff is real. I think

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Speaker 2: that there's like a tangible benefit to all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: How much I don't know exactly, But if there's any

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Speaker 2: I think that would be huge. I'll tell a little

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Speaker 2: story here real quick. I have to.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I have a little experience with a crack

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Speaker 1: fit bill. Okay, So this is about ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: back home by my folks at my folks place, riding

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Speaker 1: felt like, you know, like you've all played basketball. A

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Speaker 1: lot of us out there played basketball. You have you

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Speaker 1: roll your ankle, it hurts, right, That's what it felt like.

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Speaker 2: It felt like a really bad basketball ankle roll. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So have to ride a motorcycle home that day with that, right,

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Speaker 1: go back, go back home.

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Speaker 2: Mow the lawn, move on, push mower.

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Speaker 1: My wife's car broke down that night, had to push

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Speaker 1: her car to safety that night. Right, I'm thinking, all right, whatever,

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Speaker 1: I just got an ankle injury. Whatever, go by, come

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Speaker 1: back into work. I'm limping around, limping around, which you

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Speaker 1: always feel like when you're limping around at the Underarmedform

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Speaker 1: around among football players, like this is the middle of

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Speaker 1: the season, this happened, and they're looking at you like, dude,

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Speaker 1: you're a reporter, yeah, and you're limping around.

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Speaker 2: What's your excuse ye? Like I'm hurting, What the hell

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Speaker 2: are you limping around for?

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Speaker 1: So you always feel kind of like a wuss, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so anyway, weeks go by, my wife, the swelling's

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Speaker 2: Go back. Crack fibula the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Then they put me on the crutches, put me in

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Speaker 1: been walking on this boot crutches. Now I come in

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Speaker 2: What's going on now? Now?

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Speaker 1: Crutches like they gave me a really hard time. All

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Speaker 1: that to say, if I can come back from it,

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Speaker 1: Mark Andrews can come back, baby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no idea if his injury is similar

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Speaker 2: to yours. But but you know, could you have played

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Speaker 2: in the ANC Championship game? I could have.

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Speaker 1: Of course they could have. I could have made a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I look in all seriousness like I think

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Speaker 2: it would to me, like reading the tea leaves of

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Speaker 2: what Harball said, like there's some real there's some real

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Speaker 2: positivity that he could come back this year like it

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Speaker 2: was not. That door is definitely a doors open. That

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Speaker 2: door is definitely open. And if he can come back

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Speaker 2: for a playoff run and you can get Mark Andrews back,

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Speaker 2: and then also you have some of these young players

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Speaker 2: who have stepped up, which we're about to talk about

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Speaker 2: these guys who are gonna need to step up and

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Speaker 2: assume that these guys are able to take on that

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Speaker 2: that workload. It's going to be an all hands on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So let's talk about some of these

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Speaker 1: young players that the Ravens are gonna have to lean

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Speaker 1: on until Mark comes back. When Mark's comes back, we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna speak it into existence. Isaiah Likely and Charlie

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Speaker 1: their ability to do so just thinking about Isaiah Likely, like,

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Speaker 1: this isn't the first time that Mark Andrews has missed.

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Speaker 1: Time you go back to last year, Mark missed a

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Speaker 1: few games, and Isaiah Likely performed really well Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: six catches for seventy seven yards in a touchdown. New

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Speaker 1: can handle stepping into that spotlight. Now he has only

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Speaker 1: caught nine passes this year, but that's because the Ravens

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Speaker 1: have had so many miles to feed. He just hasn't

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Speaker 1: had a seat at the table, right, But now that

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Speaker 1: It's just I expect a lot of feed mes from Isaiahlak.

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking at you doing the feed me. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Likely has shown that ability, like

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Speaker 2: he's just gotten better all season long, Like he's he

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Speaker 2: all of Mark's target share goes to them. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that it's just like all right, Isaiah Likely, you're

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Speaker 2: think that Isay Likely can have Gamesery catches five passes

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Speaker 2: he will be he will He's a good receiver, like

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Speaker 2: he's a good receiving tight.

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Speaker 1: End for sure. Yeah, I think that here's where it's

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be difficult to replace Mark A. I think

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Speaker 1: that he is obviously Lamar's safety blanket. He's a great

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Speaker 1: zone target. He has six touchdowns this year. That's twice

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Speaker 1: as many as any other Ravens pass catcher on the team. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's no question that the familiarity that he and Lamar have,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens need to clutch play, Lamar needs to find somebody.

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Speaker 1: Often that guy has been Mark Andrews, right, and so

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Speaker 1: for his whole career, for his whole career, Right, So

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Speaker 1: who becomes kind of that who or whom? What collection

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Speaker 1: of guys become that kind of player for Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: and who really kind of steps up in the red

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Speaker 2: Be that that player.

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Speaker 1: Is it Isaiah Likely, is it a wide receiver or whatnot?

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Speaker 1: I think that's one area in particular, and then one

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Speaker 1: other I want to talk about it is the blocking aspect.

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Speaker 1: Mark Andrews has become a pretty good blocker over his career.

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Speaker 2: Talking about you know, part of this is film breakdown,

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Speaker 1: But I think other guys have shown the ability to

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Speaker 2: The reason I point to Odell is like he's the

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Speaker 1: Did you forget the guy Lamar who was wearing his

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Speaker 1: Here's my thing about Zay too, is Zay leads the

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Speaker 1: And that's what John Harball said in today's press conference

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Speaker 1: career against the Bengals. He's going against a pretty darn

435
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Speaker 1: good tackle in Orlando Brown and beating him a lot.

436
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Speaker 2: The guy who's pick.

437
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Speaker 1: They traded that's gonna get those two are forever connected

438
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 1: by that pick, and that's it's made a big difference

439
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 1: for the Ravens pass rush having at daf aoa play

440
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,920
Speaker 1: at this level, he's really it's clicked for him. Well.

441
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Speaker 2: John Harball ha talked about him and how he's gotten

442
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Speaker 2: better over the course of his career, and he was

443
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Speaker 2: asked the question in relation to Chuck Smith, who the

444
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Speaker 2: Ravens brought it into his pass rush specialist, and Oway

445
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Speaker 2: has talked about Chuck and how he's helped him from

446
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Speaker 2: a variety of ways in the pass rush department. And

447
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 2: basically like when Oway first got here, he was kind

448
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Speaker 2: of a raw player who was more of a traditional

449
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Speaker 2: speed rusher, and he's added some real tools to his toolkit.

450
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Speaker 2: And so, like John Harper said, he's got probably maybe

451
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Speaker 2: two or three kind of main signature moves and probably

452
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 2: four or five ones that he tries out over the

453
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Speaker 2: course of a game. And so he's really refined his

454
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Speaker 2: skills as a pass rusher, like that's where that's the

455
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Speaker 2: biggest thing. More polished product.

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody knew that he was this phenomenal athlete

457
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Speaker 1: when he came out.

458
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 2: He just blew up the combine.

459
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Speaker 1: And now he's and this is what you hope for

460
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Speaker 1: that players progress in this way, and the Ravens coaching

461
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Speaker 1: Steff does a great job of that.

462
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Speaker 2: He's just gotten better.

463
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Speaker 1: He's become more refined, more polished, and Chuck Smith, being

464
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Speaker 1: a pass rush specialist, has certainly played a big part

465
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Speaker 1: in them.

466
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Speaker 2: And the quote from Harball was he's not even scratched

467
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Speaker 2: the surface, which I think is pretty high praise because

468
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Speaker 2: we've all felt this way about o Way that like, man,

469
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Speaker 2: this guy's he's got enormous potential, and he's got all

470
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Speaker 2: the speed, and he's this athletic freak and all this stuff,

471
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Speaker 2: and then he's dealt with some injuries and been hot

472
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Speaker 2: and cold. And for him to come back from the

473
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Speaker 2: injury this year and be putting up this kind of production,

474
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Speaker 2: and then for John Harbor to say he still hasn't

475
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Speaker 2: tratched a surface for sure, I think just gives you

476
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Speaker 2: an indication of how high they think his ceiling is.

477
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Speaker 2: I think it could be a little bit similar. It

478
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Speaker 2: reminds me it's not the exact same situation, but like

479
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: Justin had a BK. Justin had a BK is somebody

480
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: who for his second year, his third year, it was

481
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Speaker 2: like this guy, man, his potential is through the roof.

482
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Speaker 2: He is enormous potential. This guy could be a dynamic player.

483
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Speaker 2: It gives me little bits of shades of Aaron Donald

484
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Speaker 2: that gets thrown around to there, and like his production

485
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 2: was not bad, but like not through the roof at

486
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Speaker 2: all his first three years. This year is through the roof.

487
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Speaker 2: He's he's going to finish with a career. He's already

488
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Speaker 2: had a career high sacks. He's going to get a

489
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Speaker 2: double digit, double digit sacks. Anyway, I feel like, yeah, exactly,

490
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Speaker 2: he's nine and a half right now, so he's right there,

491
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Speaker 2: and so I think that like Oway is a little

492
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Speaker 2: bit similar. Now he's the first round pick, so the

493
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Speaker 2: expectations are even more magnified.

494
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Speaker 1: But I think that's a good comparison. Yeah, two players

495
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Speaker 1: that have always had the athletic ability and the work

496
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Speaker 1: ethic and all that, and who are just refining their games.

497
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Speaker 2: They're just getting better.

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Speaker 1: There's not a more nuanced way to say they're just

499
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Speaker 1: getting better.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 1: I talked to o'daffe also after the game in the

502
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Speaker 1: locker room, and he said, part of it is, I

503
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Speaker 1: think when you come into the league with such high

504
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Speaker 1: expectations of your first round pick and you have all

505
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Speaker 1: this ability, it can be frustrating when you don't get

506
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Speaker 1: the production that you want initially. And certainly last year

507
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Speaker 1: was a struggle for him. You know, he had a

508
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Speaker 1: pretty strong rookie year, came in force fumble that won

509
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Speaker 1: the game against the Chiefs, and you know, started out

510
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: so hot, and then last year his production really dipped.

511
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Speaker 1: He had two sacks last year, and that was a challenge.

512
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Speaker 1: That was a gut punch for him. And he has

513
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Speaker 1: always I've been impressed always by his maturity in being

514
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Speaker 1: very forthright about what he's done right and wrong. And

515
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Speaker 1: he said to me after Sunday's game that earlier in

516
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Speaker 1: his career he would get kind of frustrated when maybe

517
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Speaker 1: his initial move didn't work, and he would just kind

518
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Speaker 1: of lose himself and not have that game plan going

519
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: into a specific rush. He wouldn't finish all of his Rushes.

520
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Speaker 1: You know, if his initial move didn't work, he would

521
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Speaker 1: just kind of get he'd lose it. And he said,

522
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Speaker 1: now he's really coming in with a better game plan.

523
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Speaker 1: He's got good a better motor, he's finishing every play.

524
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Speaker 1: It's kind of I think he feels the confidence. A

525
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Speaker 1: he knows he has the toolkit, like you're saying, he

526
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Speaker 1: has the confidence to execute that toolkit. And he knows

527
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Speaker 1: now that like he's going to get production even if

528
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Speaker 1: he doesn't win initially. And that's what we saw when

529
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Speaker 1: you watch the film of his sack. That was an

530
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Speaker 1: effort sack. You know, he got looped around, he got

531
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Speaker 1: pushed out the outside and then came around the back

532
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Speaker 1: and got the sack. So you're seeing it all come

533
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Speaker 1: together in terms of the tool belt and the work

534
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Speaker 1: ethic and all that stuff.

535
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Speaker 2: Another guy who I think has come on strongest kind

536
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Speaker 2: of blossoming this year is Kyle Hamilton for the second season.

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Speaker 2: He had the ridiculous play last week that it kind

538
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Speaker 2: of gets forgotten about since the Ravens didn't end up

539
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Speaker 2: winning the game, but ridiculous play on that tip and

540
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Speaker 2: the pick six against Deshaun Watson. But Kyle Hamilton's having

541
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Speaker 2: an awesome season.

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Speaker 1: I think you and I in the press box, didn't

543
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Speaker 1: we say, is there a chance that Kyle Hamilton's one

544
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Speaker 1: of the top five safeties in the league right now?

545
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Speaker 2: I think it's a very valid question. Yeah. I mean,

546
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: he's making plays all over the field. He's incredibly versatile. He,

547
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Speaker 2: like the Ravens, is this big of playing the Chargers

548
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: and Derwin James for the past several years has kind

549
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: of been known as just like do it all safety.

550
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Speaker 2: He can put him at the line of scrimmage, you

551
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: can drop him back. He's a playmaker. He can do

552
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: all these different things.

553
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Speaker 1: That's a player that the Ravens were highly linked to,

554
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: could have taken him in the draft, ended up taking

555
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Speaker 1: Hayden Hurston, then this guy named Lamar Jackson yep, later

556
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Speaker 1: in the twenty eighteen draft. But there was a lot

557
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Speaker 1: of people who thought the Ravens should.

558
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Speaker 2: Have taken Derwin James.

559
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've kind of gotten that guy several years later.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of similarities I think in terms of

561
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Speaker 2: the way they play the game and the most utility

562
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Speaker 2: did they bring.

563
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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton has been The Ravens defense is really thrived

564
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Speaker 1: by its versatility on many front Jadeveon Clowney the front,

565
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: they can rush from any different place of right, they're

566
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Speaker 1: moving Jadavian and all these pass rushes to move around

567
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Speaker 1: different spots, right. And but I don't know that there's

568
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Speaker 1: anybody more versatile on the Ravens defense than Kyle Hamilton

569
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Speaker 1: and what he allows Mike McDonald this defense to do.

570
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Speaker 1: And you look at the film against the Bengals.

571
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Speaker 2: Closes really really quickly to break up a.

572
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Speaker 1: Pass to Jamaar Chase from a high safety kind of

573
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Speaker 1: a deeper safety role. Then you see him around the

574
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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and pre snap versus post snap, he's

575
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Speaker 1: all over the place.

576
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Speaker 2: Yeah he is.

577
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Speaker 1: I mean the quarterback. The quarterbacks are holding the ball longer,

578
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Speaker 1: which is allowing the Ravens pass rush to get there

579
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Speaker 1: in part because of what Kyle Hamilton is doing pre

580
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Speaker 1: to post snap. You never know when he's gonna come

581
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Speaker 1: as a blitzer. He's off and right around the line

582
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: of scrooge and then he drops out and he's you know,

583
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Speaker 1: shadowing a tight end going deep across the middle. He's

584
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Speaker 1: all over the place. And I think that his veracility

585
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: what Rokwan Smith and Patrick Queen there oftentimes rate the

586
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Speaker 1: line of scrimage and then they're dropping out. You know,

587
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: it looks like they're bringing seven and they're bringing four. Actually, Yeah,

588
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: that versatility is really confusing, making quarterbacks unsure of where

589
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Speaker 1: to go with the ball quickly. And I think that's

590
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Speaker 1: a big part of the reason why the Ravens lead

591
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Speaker 1: the NFL in sacks.

592
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Speaker 2: And then one other guy that I'll point to is

593
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Speaker 2: Brandon Stevens. Yep, and I mean friend of the lounge,

594
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 2: friend of the lounge. But but I go back to honestly,

595
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: when we had him on the podcast and talk to

596
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Speaker 2: him just about his career journey and how he started

597
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: out playing running back and then makes then transfers from UCLA,

598
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Speaker 2: and he felt like at that time, like even as

599
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: a young player, like yeah, I feel like just long

600
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: term business wise, like switching to to dB is the

601
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 2: right right way to go here. Like it just is

602
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: remarkable to me that he has established himself as a

603
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: quality starting corner this year. Like I don't I.

604
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Speaker 1: Think he's what he's done is he's now putting himself

605
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Speaker 1: into kind of shut down territory you put you know

606
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: again in air quotes, I'm not saying it's Steven's island

607
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, but when you go into a game

608
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: against the Cincinnati Bengals and you don't have Marlon Humphrey

609
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: and you know you're getting a heavy dose of Jamar Chase,

610
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: that's a tough assignment, very tough. And Brandon Stevens he

611
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase had two catches for twelve yards, and one

612
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: of those catches, by the way, was a little backfield

613
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: pitch on basically a jet sweep that the ball just

614
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: got pitched instead of handing off. It's the old toss

615
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: in front of you. It's a ten yard run basically.

616
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: Now the other, of course, the other was a two

617
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: yard touchdown. And the touchdown at garbage sign that would

618
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: hate to see, right, he locked down the guy all

619
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Speaker 1: gave against the.

620
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Speaker 2: Touchdown, and again, that was the first touchdown that Brandon

621
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Speaker 2: Stevens has allowed all season exactly now, in terms of

622
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Speaker 2: allowing touchdowns, that's one, Like, I'm the most okay with

623
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Speaker 2: allowing a two yard touchdown at garbage time. Of course,

624
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: the Rays don't want to give up any but like

625
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: that one, Okay, fine, if that's the one you're gonna

626
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: give up, I'm okay with it exactly.

627
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think Brandon Stevens deserves a lot of credit.

628
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just sticky. That's what when I look

629
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Speaker 1: at the film, He's just a sticky dude. He's got

630
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Speaker 1: great feet. And that's one thing Justice Hill told me

631
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: one time. I asked him, you know, to a running back, like,

632
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: how absurd is the conversion for Brandon Stevens from college

633
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: running back to NFL corner And I'm thinking that Justice

634
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: is gonna be like, yeah, oh my gosh, that's insane.

635
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: I can't believe that anybody could do that.

636
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, it's not that crazy, he Justice Hill, Well,

637
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: he of course he's like I was, like, I was

638
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: a four star star defensive back recruit when I was

639
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: coming out of high school. Yeah, you know, but he said,

640
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: if you have sweet feet, you can play corner. And

641
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: Brandon Stevens has excellent feet. And I think that you

642
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: see that on the tape. His just ability to mirror

643
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: and stick to a guy is pretty top notch. And

644
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: for most cornerbacks it doesn't matter who it is, or

645
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks, you see a corner that's in the guy's

646
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: hip pocket, you're just not gonna throw the ball.

647
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: You know, you don't feel good about that.

648
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: And he's been good at the point of attack at

649
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: you know where the at getting the ball out when

650
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: you know the throws have come his way.

651
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: I think that he's he's playing excellent. There's two other

652
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: things on all point two with him. One, he's a

653
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: physical player, so he's a big guy out there corner,

654
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: so he's physical and he doesn't shy away from contact.

655
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: I think that that can disrupt receivers and get them

656
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: to get the timing off between them and the quarterback

657
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: and the second And I think this is really important.

658
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: I don't know how it ranks can compareison to sweet

659
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: feed and physical play and all that, But his confidence

660
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: is really high and it never really has been. He's

661
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: never been short on confidence. But it's a difficult assignment

662
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: for him when he got thrown into the starting lineup

663
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: when Marlin Humphrey went down with the injury this year

664
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: to start the year, and all of a sudden, Hey Brandon,

665
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna be the starting corner and then he just

666
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: ended up being the starter that never gave up that spot. YEP.

667
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: I think that, like he has never shown a lack

668
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: of confidence, and he plays that way. He knows going

669
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: into these games, Okay, they're gonna test me. Probably, I

670
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: expect to get tested. I welcome that. I know that

671
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: on the opposite side of me, when Marlin's healthy, that

672
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: I have an all pro guy on the opposite side

673
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: of me. So they're coming my way and I'm fine

674
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: with that.

675
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: I think it was last week or the week before

676
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, no cornerback in the NFL has been

677
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: targeted more than you. He was like, oh, geez, I

678
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: didn't know that thrown at me. Uh yeah, he was like,

679
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah, keep coding. It doesn't bother him. It

680
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: doesn't bother him, and I like that. So he was

681
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: on Jamar Chase on twenty two out of thirty five

682
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: routes that Jamar Chase ran, and he gave up. Like

683
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: we said, the two plays, well, one he didn't give up.

684
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: He really gave up one catch. The average target separation

685
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: was less than a yard.

686
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: Yep, he sticked to me. The two. He's sticky. He

687
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: is sticky.

688
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: So big props to those three guys. They're not the

689
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: only three, obviously, but they were three players that I

690
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: think deserves a little more airtime. Yeah, on the Ravens defense.

691
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: So when we come back, when we come back, we'll

692
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 2: do the Dog of the Week. Yeah okay, and then

693
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: we'll also look ahead to this game against the Chargers

694
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: and give you some thoughts on what John Harbor had

695
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: to say about this game. Plus oh well, plus Joe Flacco. Fleasey. Yeah,

696
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: we got to the Browns. We got to talk about that.

697
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Speaker 1: So I put a lot of thought into the Dog

708
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: of the Week. Okay, I think we got to give

709
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: it to Mark Andrews. Yeah, I mean, you talk about

710
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: the ultimate dog Yes, a dog walked off, Yeah, walked

711
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: off the field. This one's this one, you'll you just

712
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: it's out of honor for Mark.

713
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: He's the No, that's fair. I think he's a very

714
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: fitting dog of the week. And I also think hopefully,

715
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: hopefully that this is not the last Dog of the

716
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: Week that he gets this year. He'll be howling later

717
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: this that's that's the hope. That is the hope. All right,

718
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: terms of this game coming up against the Chargers, you

719
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: know they're coming off a loss. You know, tensions are

720
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: high there. And I thought it was an interesting quote from,

721
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: you know, from John Harbaugh because he was asked basically,

722
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: you know, the Chargers are basically in a do or

723
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: die situation right now. They're four and six, The playoffs

724
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: are are fleeting for them right now. You know, there's

725
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: a lot of talk on the of their coach being

726
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: on the hot seat. Rex Ryan's calling out their coach

727
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 2: on on ESPN, like all that stuff is going on

728
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 2: with them right now. And the question is basically, are

729
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: you you get worried playing a team that's desperate for

730
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: a win? And John, which team needs it more? The

731
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: old adage? Yep? And John Harbaugh was like, oh, we're

732
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: desperate for a win.

733
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: Well, let's be honest. Hey, the Ravens are in a

734
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: tight AFC North race right now. They're half a game up.

735
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: The Browns are seven and three, Ravens are eight and three. Yep,

736
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: So by no means are they all on cruise control

737
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: now at this point you need every single win And

738
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: the Ravens have a tough schedule remaining still. You know,

739
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: you look at d v O A, they have the

740
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: hardest schedule remaining. The Ravens schedule has been ridiculous this year.

741
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: They've played, they've played like this, and this stretch at

742
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: the end of the year is insane.

743
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: Jacksonville's coming off a big will win.

744
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: You got forty nine ers, so of the Steelers, that's

745
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: always a talk game Miami exactly. So there's a lot

746
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: of really good games left. The Ravens need every single

747
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: win that they can get. And let's also, this is

748
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: Monday afternoon that we're taking this. They might be the

749
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: number one seed in the AFC come Monday night.

750
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. If the Chiefs lose to the Eagles.

751
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: Tonight on Monday Night football, the Ravens are in the

752
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: top spot. Yea, And so home field advantage by all

753
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: that's in play for the Ravens right now. They need

754
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: every single win they can get. So John Harwall pushed

755
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: back on the notion that the Chargers are a more

756
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: desperate team than the Ravens, and I.

757
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: Agree with them.

758
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: And let's also point out the fact that there was

759
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: some of this talk last week with the Bengals. Yeah,

760
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: the Bengals were the more desperate team if you want

761
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: to say that, going into last week's game.

762
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: And you know what, the Raves beatle.

763
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: It beat them pretty sadly. Yeah, so yeah, I'm not

764
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: putting anything in that.

765
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rave. Yeah, Like John John Harboll said, the Ravens

766
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: are desk before win. So they this this this game

767
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: means a lot to them. And and similar to when

768
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: it's nice to win on Thursday, then you get the

769
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: nice relaxing weekend. They're going into a buy. So she

770
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: to win Sunday night Primetime and then you get the

771
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: bye week. That's the best. Okay, Yeah, that's always good

772
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: to win going into a buy all right. So, uh,

773
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: speaking to the Browns, Joe Flacco has been signed by

774
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 2: the Browns to their practice squad, and all the reports

775
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: are that at some point he's going to be activated

776
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: to the fifty three man roster. I don't know if

777
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: he's gonna play this year. That's what I don't know.

778
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: Like, are we gonna see Joe Flacco as the Browns

779
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: starter at some point this season? I think that it's

780
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: a certainly obviously a possibility. They've won now with three

781
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: different starting quarterbacks. Yep, what's what's the fourth? Yeah, you know,

782
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I watched, as I said at the beginning,

783
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: watch the brown Steelers game, and Dorian Thompson Robinson was

784
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: not particularly great in that game. So yeah, I would

785
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: rule it out.

786
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: Right, And they obviously made a decision to go with

787
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: Dorian Thompson Rominson over PJ. Walker. So and they bring

788
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: in Flacco who has this experience. You know, here's the

789
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: thing about the Browns. The Browns have a championship level defense.

790
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: Like that defense is excellent. They've got some good weapons

791
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: on offense. They can run the ball, you know, even

792
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: though they lost Nick Chubb, but they do have a

793
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: pretty solid running game and they've got some weapons in

794
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: that and so they need they need a quarterback. They're

795
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: trying to scrape by. Basically, they're just saying who can.

796
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: We find Can we catch lightning in a bottle a

797
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: little bit and get some get sufficient quarterback play?

798
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: Right?

799
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: And Joe Flacco, you know what he can give you.

800
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: He's a winner in this league. He can be solid,

801
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: he can be that guy. Plus the Browns no January Joe,

802
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: they know what he offers in December January, right, Like, yeah,

803
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: I wish they if exactly Like if I'm going to

804
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: war with somebody when it's cold out AFC north weather,

805
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: you need to run the ball, You need to make

806
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: sound decisions, come up clutch in clutch situations.

807
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: Yes, the brown saw all the games that Joe had

808
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: great games in Cleveland, and you know can play in

809
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: bad weather. I actually think that, like that is a

810
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: real thing there the well.

811
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: Dori and Thompson Robinson in bad December weather in Cleveland,

812
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: or you trust Joe Flacco more in that situation.

813
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: I think that's a very fair question. It's going to

814
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: be very weird seeing him in Brown scholars. It's just

815
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: gonna be very weird now. It was all It was

816
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 2: weird the first time I saw him in Denver Colors

817
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: that first year, but then you kind of got used

818
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: to it. But playing in the division is a strange thing.

819
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: It is just a strange thing now, of course, but

820
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: it could happen. I mean, how crazy.

821
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: Ravens versus Browns in the playoffs, in the playoffs in

822
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: Baltimore and Joe goes the off the chain, that would

823
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: be an insane situation.

824
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to think.

825
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: That the Ravens past rush would get after Joe.

826
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: Sure, but I think that would just be a crazy scenario.

827
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: That would be like just this whole world, yeah, world's gliding.

828
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: It would be a weird feeling.

829
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: As much as I stay the pass rush thing, like

830
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: I kind of don't want to go against January Joe.

831
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: I know, I don't want to. I agree, So it's interesting.

832
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: Good luck to Joe, you know, of course, like you

833
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: always root for Joe, rooted for him ever since he's

834
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: left every stop that he's been Denver he went to,

835
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: you forget, you had a couple of coffee in Philadelphia,

836
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: and then the Jets and now Cleveland. You always root

837
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: for Joe, but certainly, but not so much more now.

838
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean this is a battle for

839
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: the AMC North crown right now, Like he could be

840
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: going He's trying to snatch.

841
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: It away from us. Yeah, I'm not rooting for him,

842
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: not him anymore. Yeah, sorry, no, no, But and I

843
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: think that, like the crazy thing is, I go back,

844
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: go back a week and a half, and you know

845
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: the feeling. I guess just a week ago. You go

846
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: back a week ago after that, that crushing loss to

847
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: the Browns, and everything is negative, and it's it's now

848
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: flashed forward a week. You have a situation where the

849
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: Browns are without Watson the rest of the way, the

850
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: Bengals are without Joe Burrow the rest of the way.

851
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: The Ravens are sitting in first place. Pittsburgh's offense is reeling.

852
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: They're all but that's kind of how it's been all season.

853
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: To be honest, there's no real change with Pittsburgh other

854
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: than that they lost the game in the fourth quarter

855
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: instead of one when they typically won those games. But

856
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: you have a lead on them, You got a two

857
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: game lead on them at this point, and so you're

858
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 2: in this situation where you're in first place in the division.

859
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: These other teams have some serious quarterback issues, and you

860
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: have the potential to be in the first place seed

861
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: in the entire conference by the end of the night.

862
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: What a difference a week makes in the NFL. It

863
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: is wild.

864
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah fortune since fortunes can definitely change. But the

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Speaker 1: ravenstill have a lot of work to do. As you

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Speaker 1: mentioned this, it is not sewn up.

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Speaker 2: By any point.

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Speaker 1: I don't even care about the Browns about Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: being out for the rest of the year. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: have a tough it's an uphill climb for them, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not ruling them out yet and I'm not writing

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Speaker 1: them off. And so the Ravens have a lot of

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Speaker 1: work to do. They got to keep getting better. And

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Speaker 1: this Chargers team is a talented team. They've underperformed, but

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Speaker 1: they're a talented team. They might be without Bosa, but

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Speaker 1: they have a lot of talent. So it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a tough game. Sunday, cross country Flight, all that stuff

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Speaker 1: playing out in j LA primetime.

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Speaker 2: So well, we'll talk more about that game this week.

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Speaker 2: We're hoping to get a guest later this week, and

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Speaker 2: we'll also do some more breakdown of this game against

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Speaker 2: the Chargers. So as always, you can email us with

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Speaker 2: the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. We appreciate

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Speaker 2: you listening also head over to the press Pass podcast feed.

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Speaker 2: Every single press conference that we do lives there in

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Speaker 2: its entirety, so check that out as well. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 2: we'll be back with you later this week.