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Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing. I'm Ray Longo. We're here in

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Speaker 1: Jersey City to chop it up with Luke Thomas. It's

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Speaker 1: nice to see how Ry Campbell. It's a pleasure to

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Speaker 1: the pleasures. Actually told absolutely nothing about the just if

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Speaker 1: I would do it, this might be the weirdest thing

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Speaker 1: I have here. Guys, actually, I mean you just won't

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Speaker 1: stop it. Let's go inside and do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talked to all kinds of people on

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Speaker 2: this show, and today we are as excited as ever

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Speaker 2: because sitting with us on the couch is not just

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Speaker 2: a winning coach or one of the one of the

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Speaker 2: most winning best coaches in them and Manstreet. Truly, I

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Speaker 2: mean this one of the very best to ever do

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Speaker 2: it and still going strong. Long Island's finest.

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Speaker 1: Why don't just make out of them already?

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Speaker 2: Why don't you make it's Ray Longo?

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Speaker 1: It was certainly close enough, so aready you see true story?

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Speaker 2: Before the show started, he wanted to sit and raise laugh.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we just met, we established boundaries

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Speaker 1: before we move forward.

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Speaker 2: Because the producers do this to us, it turned us

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Speaker 2: into absolute goons.

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Speaker 1: It is nice to see you right now, and it's

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Speaker 1: nice to see you too, and nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: I already like him. I listened to him for the

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Speaker 1: first five minutes. This guy's a pisson. The next five

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Speaker 1: will be terrible. I feel like, wait for me. I

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Speaker 1: feel like he's Tom hankso big. Yeah, what am I doing?

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Speaker 1: You talk to these people? Talk to them? You know.

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Speaker 1: I did this thing because Luke's an intelligent guy like

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Speaker 1: he is you guys book, And now I feel like

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell come? I don't know. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: is this going to be the worst decision.

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Speaker 3: I know it's going to be one of the Okay,

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Speaker 3: you know it was either USh of the SCHMO, but

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Speaker 3: you could get lost in that couch.

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Speaker 1: Coach.

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Speaker 3: Do you have something like this in your basement today?

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Speaker 3: I hope the answer. I definitely know. Definitely now I

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Speaker 3: have a couch. You're like, it's actually my ups. You

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Speaker 3: know a fact in the basement, there is a couch

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Speaker 3: similar to this. I take that back.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling that? Where just days removed here

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Speaker 2: about not even know? I guess a week now, a

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Speaker 2: week since UFC two eighty eight, you got to be

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Speaker 2: feeling pretty great.

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Speaker 1: I feel great, man, Really, I feel great. I feel blessed.

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Speaker 1: I'm grateful for everything, you know, but hey, I want

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Speaker 1: to break it. Ain't my first rodeo with this. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he does his free champions over there. Sarah Longa

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Speaker 1: does get crazy as it goes on, but I'm really

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Speaker 1: so happy for Aljo because I watched this kid mature

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Speaker 1: from the first day he walked in the gym and

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Speaker 1: to where he is now, and I think it's just

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Speaker 1: great to see. And you know, over the weekend, Sarah

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Speaker 1: a couple of pictures. All three guys are champions, all

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Speaker 1: all the towns connect to each other, They're all within

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Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm just proud to be a part

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Speaker 1: of it and that these guys still, you know, haven't

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Speaker 1: thrown me out yet. Not yet. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me just ask when to the judges

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Speaker 2: and they had it split.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how nervous were you? I was more mad than nervous.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was unanimous and I'm in my head,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, please do not fuck this kid. You know,

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Speaker 1: I look, I could tell you from being in the corner.

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Speaker 1: We never felt any danger. You could go back to

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Speaker 1: Optics were bad on the ground, but no damage. I

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Speaker 1: mean he out did. The stats are all in al

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Speaker 1: Joe's fable, like I think it's decisively unanimous, and you know,

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Speaker 1: so I'm might to answer your question. I was. I was.

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Speaker 1: I was pissed that. That was my first emotion. I

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Speaker 1: thank god the right guy wanted. Could you see it?

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Speaker 3: Could you see the argument for Henry Sutto in this fight?

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Speaker 3: It was it was a technical masterpiece of thing.

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Speaker 1: Close back and forth. I'm gonna say, I look, it

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Speaker 1: But you can't give it to Henry. I just as

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Speaker 3: Up three nothing and I really felt like there were

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Speaker 1: I do feel like Suhudo came on late. There just

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Speaker 1: wasn't enough overall. Yeah, one hundred percent. Look, I think

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Speaker 1: Suhudo was completely confused, right, I mean, let's just go back.

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Speaker 1: He said he would stop him within three. He said

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Speaker 1: He didn't come close to anything, so you could see

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Speaker 1: him mentally. He was breathing heavy. But the competitor in

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Speaker 1: Henry Shudo, which he's an unbelievable competitor, kept him driving

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Speaker 1: He looked slower than he did in the previous fights.

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Speaker 1: entries he had. We'll getting near Aljo he just I

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Speaker 1: think he says it. I really admire Henry. I love

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Speaker 1: you know, he's like your maneuver and everything. But what

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Speaker 1: about the guy that scored it for you? He's completely wrong.

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Speaker 1: We're attacking Derectar right right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: But the only guy that scored two and three for you?

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Speaker 1: have this long history of just getting along before. No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what is it? Because they're so?

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Speaker 2: Aljaman was one of the top prospects and then, like

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Speaker 2: anyone else, he had he could a couple of roadbumps

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Speaker 1: Just growth and rerazy.

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Speaker 2: Tell me from your perspective, what makes al Jamain great

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm gonna say what makes al Jo great

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Speaker 1: making him better. But you know, Luke, a lot of

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Speaker 1: times it comes down to just confidence, right, And I

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Speaker 1: That's why he's a problem. Technically, he could do things

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Speaker 1: In the fight, But I think Aljo is al Jo.

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Speaker 1: He's his own person. I don't even want to take

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Speaker 1: But technically, man, we tighten up what he could do

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Speaker 1: What's the game plan? If you have to take a

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Speaker 1: But you can't do it, so you have to know,

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Speaker 1: Why I think that people don't like him. They just

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing, coach, Yeah, his opponents keep sleeping

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Speaker 1: They one hundred. They keep sleeping on him.

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Speaker 3: And I think rust media donks to miss out. But

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Speaker 3: the opponents at this list.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I'm honestly shocked that every time they're like, wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, why do they keep saying? I think,

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Speaker 1: You know, he's got his own thing, not getting knockout.

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Speaker 1: I could have did a B and C. He knows it,

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Speaker 1: You're not getting hurt and al Joe, you know, so

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Speaker 1: And then Henry kind of said, like, I couldn't do nothing,

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Speaker 1: he's dipping his head. They think they can get him,

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Speaker 3: Like if there's any if there's any ring Russ, if

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Speaker 1: Now, I'll just go right at him one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: You know it's a five round fight. You're in good

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Speaker 1: shape he has, you know, let's not let him get

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Speaker 1: at Algie, he doesn't want to He wants to fight

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Speaker 1: at his own pace. Trust me, he doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: come out of it because he's you know, Henry, if

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Speaker 1: you if you study like Henry, like he really believes

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Speaker 2: Just don't just don't talk with him on WhatsApp.

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Speaker 3: I had a track record of adjusting. That final adjustment

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Speaker 1: The and that could have been the three years too,

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Speaker 2: Him, Charles Leavera two of the better guys in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a he's a major major problem, you know.

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Speaker 1: You gotta find out. Let's just you know that three

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Speaker 3: For sure, I give Henry a lot of credit by

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna do it again with Morob? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's it doesn't look like I mean,

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Speaker 3: The footwork patterns on Aljoe I think took him, threw

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Speaker 1: It really never came.

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Speaker 3: So would another camp in him staying active make him sharper.

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Speaker 3: do you think Morob can take down the Olympian consistently?

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Speaker 1: No, but he could try to take him down consistently

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Speaker 1: just wanted to get the fuck out of here. Serious,

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Speaker 2: Have you ever in your life seen an athlete who

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Speaker 1: I've never No, I've never seen it. It's like, and

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Speaker 2: People, he said he's always got access to his A

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean always right. And the thing that people

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Speaker 1: could you watch him. He's crazy. The guy's crazy. He's

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Speaker 2: I love this guy. Nothing bothered is His cardio is

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Speaker 2: I mean that was the big part of the Yon fight.

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Speaker 2: Everyone made a big show about the amount of takedowns

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Speaker 1: Please don't misunderstand me.

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Speaker 2: But there was like the level of detail he's putting

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Speaker 1: You know, like a lot of these even with al

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Speaker 1: That's why I said, there's gonna be a point in

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Speaker 3: Did a great job with that, no nonsense, no non

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like that a man. I think

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Speaker 1: How did you meet Morob? So I met Morob. His

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Speaker 3: Joe and Morob raise each other's game?

429
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Speaker 1: They just always listen. They're always there for each other.

430
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Speaker 1: Obviously Morob has the gas tank to push al Joe

431
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Speaker 1: right for his game, and Aljae really technically really tightened

432
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Speaker 1: up Morobs wrestling like he maybe was a sample guy,

433
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,280
Speaker 1: but he can wrestle now, you know. They took him

434
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Speaker 1: to the Columbia Room movie. Yeah, I mean he's you know,

435
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 1: like he said, man strength against kids strength. But those

436
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,560
Speaker 1: kids are good. Man. I saw the video he was

437
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,600
Speaker 1: he was showing him up. Oh, he don't give it.

438
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,159
Speaker 1: Is that the Columbia room or the Columbia No, no,

439
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 1: it's the Ivy League university? Okay, okay, yeah, well whatever.

440
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,119
Speaker 1: But the coach they have his wife is from the

441
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Speaker 1: other Columbia. So that's what oh I got. Yeah, Columbia,

442
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,520
Speaker 1: Columbia Cuban. So we got something in kind of there

443
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Speaker 1: you go. That means you both like spice your life.

444
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Speaker 3: As Lucas often said, Coach Ray, are you really in

445
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,840
Speaker 3: a good relationship if your wife hasn't ripped off your

446
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,680
Speaker 3: front door at least once?

447
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 1: Well, Columbia's and Cubans. I think ripping off the front

448
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:54,439
Speaker 1: door might be a gift. That might be a freaking gift.

449
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,199
Speaker 1: This man understands. But you know the thing about success is,

450
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Speaker 1: Coach Ray, they're going to try to take your two sons.

451
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 3: Here, Algael, and you know they're going to try to

452
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 3: make men out of both of them against each other

453
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Speaker 3: for the world championship. This ain't the clitschical brothers promise

454
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Speaker 3: and mom necessarily right to steal a boxing.

455
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Speaker 1: Story, but it can fracture a great thing. You know,

456
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Speaker 1: I mean, was DC a great friend or did he

457
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 1: know Kine was common brother? You know what I'm saying,

458
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Speaker 1: DC was a great friend? I think, Okay, then Aljoe

459
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Speaker 1: a great friend? Or does Aljoe know it's coming or

460
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Speaker 1: the other way around? What do you how old is

461
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Speaker 1: how old is Moron thirty one? Maybe? Yeah?

462
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 2: So Algi thirty three, thirty? You know there's a there's

463
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Speaker 2: slightly different timelines in.

464
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Speaker 1: Terms of you support their celibacy in this one hundred

465
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Speaker 1: is none supported. I'd be really upset if they said

466
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Speaker 1: they were going to fight each other what because you know,

467
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Speaker 1: like again I don't want to you know, like money's

468
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 1: not my god, right, I'm not going to pray the

469
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Speaker 1: money and for people that don't understand like money, money's good,

470
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Speaker 1: but money could also be bid the more you have.

471
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Speaker 1: So I mean it's like I think people don't get

472
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 1: like and Gano's happy. If you're a money guy, you're

473
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Speaker 1: looking at yourself, you're giving up fifteen million. Maybe the

474
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Speaker 1: guy's happy, you know, maybe he's a garbage man who's

475
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: just happy doing what he's doing. But a lot of

476
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Speaker 1: people can't understand that. So I don't think i'd be

477
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Speaker 1: one of those people which what the money with.

478
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never gotten to a point where I had

479
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Speaker 2: so much money it was bad.

480
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Speaker 1: It looks like I will see my assault show me

481
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Speaker 1: where to sign. I'm just saying no. But you see,

482
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Speaker 1: guys have money and get in trouble. I'm obviously you

483
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: know you know what I'm saying. Like, but I think

484
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: it's good to have principle. And you gotta remember where

485
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: Morob comes from. He's already a winner. He's a winner

486
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 1: is if you throw him out of the UFC them

487
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: I'll go back. He'll do construction like. That's what I'm saying.

488
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Speaker 1: When you're free of that in your mind, you can

489
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Speaker 1: make decisions. Nobody could play with your mind, right, So, uh,

490
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 1: but you know any thing kind of with the UFC,

491
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: they dangle money at you. That's their carrot. If if

492
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Speaker 1: they can't get you to bite with the money, they

493
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: have no leverage at all with you, you know. So

494
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Speaker 1: here's here's why bring us up.

495
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Speaker 2: It's not that I find this crazy, but just for

496
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Speaker 2: the purposes of articulating what is the problem with teammate's fighting,

497
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 2: here's what I bring up. You might have seen this

498
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: as well, like I've seen some of the Dutch guys

499
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 2: and it's kickboxing, but some of the Dutch guys will

500
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Speaker 2: have the same team and they'll still fight each other,

501
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: and they seem to be like, no problem with it?

502
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Speaker 1: Is it cultural?

503
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 2: Is there something specific to mma about the damage you

504
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: can incur? What is so taboo about it? In your mind?

505
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: I think the damage is one of things. It's a

506
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: street fight basically, right, it's a legalized street fight. And

507
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: should should brothers fight each other if they really were brothers?

508
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: Would that be like, you know, wasn't there a movie

509
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: on that fighting with a brother warrior or warrior whatever?

510
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean? I mean, is that good? Because they're not

511
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Speaker 1: really brothers, but they're brothers of a kind. So I look,

512
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Speaker 1: I always had the culture in the gym where you know,

513
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Speaker 1: kind of we help each other, and that's the way

514
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Speaker 1: I'd like to keep it unless something changes. But you know,

515
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: even if they forty didn't gonna fight each other, like

516
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: the fans will lose on that. They'll make an agreement

517
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: not to do something. They'll try to tell you, I

518
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: don't I don't like it anyway, but that's not gonna happen.

519
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 3: Like at the end of Rocky three, back in the

520
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 3: gym when the doors are closed and it's.

521
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Speaker 1: Just family, do they go ding ding? Oh no no

522
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: they First of if they do, beat the shit out

523
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Speaker 1: of each other. So for them to fight each other,

524
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Speaker 1: that could be an argument. You're doing it already. I

525
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: don't see it happening. Man, their neighbors, they got how.

526
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Speaker 1: I think it's like the way Morob was raised and

527
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Speaker 1: where he came from. I don't think he's gonna I

528
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Speaker 1: just don't think it. He's living life man, right, we

529
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Speaker 1: lived through cost Chuck and Fitch at AKA. Yeah. One

530
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Speaker 1: just refuse to do it. I look at like, you know,

531
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Speaker 1: Rashon Evans was with Jackson first and then John So

532
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Speaker 1: what you're selling out.

533
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Speaker 3: For the bigger guy, Like yeah, because you'd have to

534
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 3: make a tough decision there.

535
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't do it. Yeah, I'm

536
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Speaker 1: not doing it. I could tell you right, well, I

537
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Speaker 1: love that me and Mint when we were on the show,

538
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: we coach guys, right, and then you know, through just

539
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: that evolution our team. But I think we went six

540
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: and one. We went six and one well where the

541
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 1: vote kept going back and forth, not that we kept it.

542
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Speaker 1: So I want to say that if it built the

543
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: acolods even on this show. But when it came time

544
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Speaker 1: for the guys to fight, I mean, it was like

545
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: a no, we're not going into corner. I don't think

546
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Speaker 1: I could. I didn't even know these guys, so I'm

547
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: not gonna know guys for ten years.

548
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Speaker 3: I'm not just well, look, I like that you said

549
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: I'm not about money, so that's not going to be

550
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: a pull. But I think you set a tone that

551
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: creates this attitude in your gym. I love the attitude

552
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: that you bring as a character in this MMA space

553
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of guys that don't take shit

554
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 3: in MMA, to varying degrees of character.

555
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: But you don't take shit.

556
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 3: But you're also like this working class guy who's going

557
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 3: to tell it like is this is no disrespect? But

558
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: if you weren't doing this, you could easily be running

559
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: that laundry mat down the street from me or working

560
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 3: at the deli across the street behind the glass. Because

561
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: you bring that every man counting. I know what I'm saying.

562
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: He brings that lovable every man. I don't give a shit,

563
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: but I got your back feeling. Is this like faust

564
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: celebrity thing? Where you're coaching, you're doing podcasts, you're doing

565
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: different things. I'm not even been acting in the past.

566
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: You get down with that, You're good with this.

567
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: Look. First off, it is I like money. I'm just saying,

568
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: but I love money. I'm gonna small character. I'm not

569
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: going to sell my skull for it, right, Like what,

570
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: I'll give you a million dollars, but then I'm gonna go, oh,

571
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: my kids are going to think I'm a jerk off,

572
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean? Is it worth a

573
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: million dollars? No, it's just not Now. Maybe it was

574
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: the way it was brought up. I don't know, but uh,

575
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm very content where I'm at. And I think that's

576
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: even the other thing with coaching, right, if you're not

577
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: squayed away, how could you coach somebody else? And I

578
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: think that was part of my success is that these

579
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: guys really First off, they all took care of me,

580
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: their old great guys. We're still together, did dude? You

581
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: can't cheap two friends like me and Sarah go back

582
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: thirty years probably at this point, Like that's hard to do,

583
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's hard, Like even in

584
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: a marriage, that's hard to do. I mean, we know that, right,

585
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: we have an editorial marriage. It's rocky as shit, so

586
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: I know that. But you know what I'm saying sort

587
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: of fact that everybody's still together and I don't know

588
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: how much longer I could keep everything together, but for

589
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: right now, it's been going off for thirty years. You're

590
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: not chasing the money or the.

591
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: Well, reading your backstory, you didn't get in this for

592
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: the money, celebrity, you didn't.

593
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: You didn't get in this when the UFC was created,

594
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: you way way before what I did.

595
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: You start training people in the garage, in their backyards,

596
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: and just chase this dream that's taking you now where

597
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: you're this funny, lovable character coach Ray who will kick

598
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 3: that ass if you get it right.

599
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: No, no, no, well I wasn't. I wasn't chasing a dream.

600
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: I love the martial arts and I still do, and

601
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: that was it. I was really for the love of

602
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: the martial arts like I might. Like you know, we've talked.

603
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: I love Collie, I love to stick and knife stuff.

604
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: But I had to put it on the backbarn because

605
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: once I started training people, I said, I really got

606
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: to take this seriously, and I'd go with boxing gyms.

607
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: I had a lot of guys that box friends, growing

608
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: up with old box really but and then you start

609
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: picking people's brains and looking for new ways to motivate people,

610
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: and it just people were winning. I think if I

611
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: maybe started out and everybody was losing, that wouldn't have

612
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: been good. But you know, I had guys when the

613
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: Golden Gloves kickboxing Champs, stick fighting Champs. It was like,

614
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: so I became more of maybe a motivator, but I

615
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: knew what I was doing. I did have a background,

616
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: but you know, I'd love watching people succeed and through

617
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: their success, I feel like that's what makes me happy.

618
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: So it's interesting, like we're now entering a phase where

619
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: MMA is a little bit more like boxing in the

620
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: sense that we're getting coaches who are a older I

621
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: remember when cornermen were all the same age as the fighters.

622
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: That has changed substantially.

623
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Speaker 2: And the other one is like you obviously have a

624
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: background of martial arts, but not a background in like, yeah,

625
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: there was no MMA.

626
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: At the time, but you're still one of the very

627
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: top coaches.

628
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: It's interesting, like do you have to have fun and

629
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: you have seen want of title to be a great coach?

630
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: Quite obviously.

631
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: No, So what what what are you able to do

632
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: that enables you to be in your mind? Like why

633
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: do you think the coaching has worked so well for you?

634
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so I think, first off, I try to understand

635
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: each guy like Aljil comes from nineteen siblings. Damn, he

636
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of hugs growing up. Oh you

637
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean, So I have to I'm gonna

638
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna train him as a guy like that, you

639
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean, which is weird, I think to

640
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: some people. Wait, the other thing I gotta say, first off, too,

641
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm not here Sarah's if it isn't without Matt Sarah's.

642
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm like the frontman, but Sarah be

643
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, that guy's one of my

644
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: best friends, Like he was a fighter, So we have

645
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: the luxury if I could pick his brain on that.

646
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: So it's he he's got to take fifty percent of

647
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: the credit, you know what I mean? But and he

648
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: would tell you now, definitely not because I'm gonna put

649
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: the time and I'm gonna make sure the guys get

650
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: to work. I'm gonna watch this bar and I'm gonna,

651
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, interject what I think will help him. And

652
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: I think it's just given the shit, like just really

653
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: want people could feel when you want to you you

654
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: want them to succeed, I think. And it was all

655
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: for real and organic, and it's you know, like I

656
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: think that's what scares me to second that stops, I'll quit.

657
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: Your gift seems, as you mentioned, to be a motivator.

658
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: So where does that superpower come from? Where you got

659
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: to a point where you're like, you know, I can

660
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: I can help others.

661
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: Did someone really do that for you? Uh? Like mister Johnson,

662
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: the old guy at the No, I mean really, kid,

663
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: I think my old man was like we had a restaurant,

664
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: he'd feed, Like you know, if you didn't have money,

665
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: he's feed. He was just that guy you know, always

666
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: you know you need help building something. He was over there.

667
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: So I think maybe watching my dad, you know, be

668
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: very giving with his time, maybe that's what did it. Uh.

669
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: But No, there wasn't like a coach, you know, that

670
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: wasn't There wasn't none of that. I was like, no, well,

671
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: what it might be. It's like it's like I don't

672
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: he stuck.

673
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: He'll make some fart jokes and then ask you about your.

674
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Satire holy ship.

675
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, because I appreciate that fact of it

676
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: because obviously you know exes and knows you're you're partnered

677
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: with a legend and a Hall of famer. But sometimes

678
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: you got to play good cup, bad cup, and sometimes

679
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: you just got to light a fire under a guy's ass.

680
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: You've never been afraid to do that, it seems right.

681
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: And let me another thing too, growing up, even watching boxing,

682
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, always somebody asked me what was your favorite

683
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: boxing match. You'll appreciate this, I go Duran de Haeso's

684
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean think about that. How good is

685
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: that fight? Yes? So I'm watching out my old man,

686
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: and then I'm watching Vince Lombardi coach, you know, and

687
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm Angelo Dundee guild Clancy chirping at each other, and

688
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm starting to identify I think at an early age

689
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: with the coaches, right, I mean, I guess somewhere along

690
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: the line, I figured I wasn't gonna be a good fighter,

691
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: so I might as well go, what's the next best thing.

692
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: Let's go to coaching, you know. But uh so I

693
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: think I grew up watching all of those guys with

694
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: my dad talking about them kind of more than the athletes,

695
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: although all he talked about was Joe Demagio forever. But

696
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, but besides that, Lombardy was huge. Joe de

697
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: must have laid some pipe both. Let me tell you

698
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: a great story. Yes, I'm at my my second gym

699
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: and I go out to the car and the guy's walking, Hey,

700
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: how's it going, and how's it going to go? In

701
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: the car? I gotta look familiar. I just go. Like

702
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: two days later, the missage therapist goes over. She goes, hey, man,

703
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Whitey Ford wants to meet you. Ship. It was white

704
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: He f like a holy crap, white you know, that's

705
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: all you know. And I grew up watching a Yankee stadium,

706
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: watching Mickey Mantle playing all that shit. But uh so

707
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: the stories he had were fricking you know, talking about

708
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: lamb pipe, you know, and he's talking about Marilyn Monroe

709
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: the time Demadgio brought her out to here and everybody's

710
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: sitting there just staring at her. But uh yeah, so

711
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: I got to I got to talk to Whitey Ford,

712
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: which was, you know, being a Yankee fan and coming

713
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: from that era. As sad as that is to say,

714
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: uh was just phenomenally and he loved to tell stories,

715
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: so it was it was great. And then he would

716
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: always come by the gym. I think his son was

717
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: into martial arts, and uh, you know, we stopped buying

718
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: Stay Hello, and it was just it was good. But yeah,

719
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: talking about U Joe Diata brought up that struck of mind.

720
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: Let's go back to nineteen eighty if we can. Nineteen eighty.

721
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: I graduated Saint John's nineteen eighty. I was one year old.

722
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: I think guess what you were two were? You were

723
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: one year? How old are you know? I'm forty three.

724
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm older than him, you know, yeah, forty three year

725
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, I know. It just sucks. Yeah, getting old blows.

726
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't like this couch anymore. I

727
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: want to go home Mama from mom.

728
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: I want to talk about it because, like you kind

729
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: of like I love the eighties. The eighties were insane,

730
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: especially in New York City. But were you in Long

731
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: Island or New York City during the eighties. I was

732
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: in Long Island, Okay, So tell me about Long Island

733
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties, Like, what was it like your

734
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: area anyway?

735
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: Uh? Man, A lot of clubs club scene was hopping.

736
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: That was it. I came out. I started working for

737
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: a company called Ericson. You know, we to have the

738
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: arena in Sweden, so it was called LM. Erickson at

739
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: the time. And then I think in accounty or in accounting. Yes,

740
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: I worked for a Swedish company. So h and where

741
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: are we going with this again? We're an eighty so

742
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing accounting. I mean, I don't know if I

743
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: think I'm on top of the world. I'm still doing

744
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: martial arts. I'm training. I'm training people on the side

745
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: as I'm doing accounting. When when were you like, man,

746
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: fuck this accounting stuff. I think I'm going to go

747
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: a different way, like eighty seven probably eighty yeah, yeah, no,

748
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: But I was always training. I was even training people

749
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: in the corporate park, you know there was my brother

750
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: worked for a company called el Greco. He was like

751
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: the VP of finance. It was a big shoe ladies ship,

752
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: remember those commercials back in the day on grecor you

753
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: could pull him up. But uh, And I started training

754
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: some executives over there. So I was always doing private

755
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: lessons and stuff, teaching at my mother's garage. I'm still

756
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: living at home and then a guy walked in one

757
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: day and then he became my first kickboxing champ, Mike Ryan. Wow,

758
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: he was a badass.

759
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: I said, when you told your coworkers, I'm going to

760
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: go train kickboxers in my mom's garage, Well yeah, any

761
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: of them like, what.

762
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: The fuck are you doing? I was still a private

763
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: letting not nobody was doing that because I tak you

764
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: at the time. What happened was Erickson was starting for

765
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: the US point anyway was starting to sink, you know,

766
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: like that ship was people were leaving, and I want

767
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: to you know what happened. We started like taking two

768
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: hour lunches. I was like, you know, this isn't even

769
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: good for my work ethic. Like I got to get out.

770
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: And it was everybody who was starting to telecommunications company

771
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: who was doing this construction. So uh yeah, I chose

772
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: to go to run in the martial arts.

773
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: So and so from nineteen eighty seven, when did things

774
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: you had your first champion? Like, when did things take

775
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: a turn in the nineties where you knew you had

776
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: leveled up from what you had started?

777
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Uh, let's see, let's go. I mean I suck at

778
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: this and everybody always asked me and they say, you

779
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: got to write it down, but uh, when do we

780
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: meet Sarah's so I already have a kickboxing champ ninety

781
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: oh no, no, he wanted to lives and where were

782
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: we ninety three? In ninety three, ninety four, I meet

783
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: Sarah and I'm like, how'd you meet him? I met

784
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: him at uh in the city. Craig Kukock's Jim Craig

785
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: Kukock was Hoary and Gracie's first black belt, and he

786
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: came to the city and I had that guy I

787
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: trained with Paul Vnak call me and go, do you

788
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: got to get with this guy? I remember what he says,

789
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: said a year from today, you'll be way ahead of

790
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: everybody because the first time Gracy jiu jitsu was shown

791
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: at the town. So I would go in there and

792
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: obviously there was no UFC. There's nobody there, and Kuckock's going,

793
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: can I even make money as a as a martial

794
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: art teacher? And I'm like, I started bringing my students,

795
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: so we even had some people there and then I'm

796
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: going to say this located on my shoulder, spar in

797
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: a fight, whatever you want to call it, and I'm

798
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: out and in that time the UFC hits and when

799
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: I go back, that's when I meet Sarah. So what

800
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: is it? Let me let me back up. This was

801
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: probably boring the shit out of No. No, No, I like it.

802
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: But Sarah, when I had dislocated my arm, I got

803
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: my nose bright, I got it. I took a bit

804
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: of a beating. But U he comes in a one.

805
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: I I'm in a sling with a black guy. Sarah

806
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: walks in with his friend. He's seventeen years old, and

807
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: he's and he's talking to me. I got to I

808
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: don't know how old I am, maybe thirty, probably old.

809
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: Oh no, I think I'm thirty five. So he's like,

810
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, his kid's got drug proms. I want to

811
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: get him into something. He'll be gas. I'm saying, a

812
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: seventeen year old kid bringing his friend, you know, to

813
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: help him out. I mean, I'm just insightful. So in

814
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: the course of that, you know, like again, I'm there

815
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: and I got a black eye. I'm in a sling

816
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I told him I was

817
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: doing Gracie jiu jitsu, and he said he was going

818
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: to seminars and he thinks I'm lying. At this point,

819
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: so bloody blah blah blah, I get done with my

820
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Rehabit's like three months later Kucock ends up coming to

821
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: this city. He was the first guy see walking in

822
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: the door at Oishi dojo. He said, I'm like, hey,

823
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: you know blah blah blah. And I just bought a

824
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: house like maybe half a mile away from where he

825
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: grew up. So I had gotten married, bought a house,

826
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: and uh, I said, if you want to drive you in,

827
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: So we just start driving in and busting bulls. From

828
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: day one, man, he was a motherfucker doing that guy.

829
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: You mean you mean this Joe Pesh, You look like,

830
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: let me tell you that motherfucker was And let me

831
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: tell you.

832
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how he was doing it, but he

833
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: pissed on everything you asked. Anybody from that era, that

834
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: guy was unbelievable. He was. He just was out of control.

835
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: You couldn't stop him. His jiu jitsu was crazy. Are

836
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: you practicing? He's always aswer, are you're looking at the tape?

837
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: So you practice something? I'm married, I got a kid.

838
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: I really don't have the time. I'm trying. But he was.

839
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: He had brothers and his father was into it, so

840
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: they could take whatever they got in the city and

841
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: go home. And day I would see that guy one

842
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: hundred long boys and once I'm like, dude, I gotta

843
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: get out of here. Let's just roll or do something,

844
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: but I can't the reps. Then it was a guy

845
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: pulls out, we go to triangle, he goes, it's the

846
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: ALM apply just an over and over, and then he

847
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: just started winning to it. Nobody was touching him back then,

848
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: you know. And then he technically did win Abu Dhabi,

849
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: but he had a they throw the match, I guess

850
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: you could say, because the other guy was from Gracie

851
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: Baja and that's the way they did things. Was that

852
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: I was pissed about.

853
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: But He's think closeouts in jiu jitsu are beyond indefensible.

854
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: And the Prince even said, anybody gets caught doing that,

855
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: you'll never come back here again. So but Sarah definitely, Look,

856
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: he beat John jack Manchino. That was insane at that point,

857
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: huge insane, and I stayed for an American at the time,

858
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: that was unheard of. Yeah, I had a bolt. It's

859
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: mid nineties, Yeah, mid nineties, and you've got this.

860
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: Rising guy in Matt Sarah, who you're like depending on

861
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: what discipline.

862
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: We go in, right, and I'm training kickboxes and boxes

863
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: at the same time. At the same time the UFC

864
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: is hitting. It's a paper view. Overnight success.

865
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 3: It becomes this edgy thing for teens like us to

866
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: be like, oh shit, let's tape a nickel over the

867
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: button on the black box, you know, in the cable box,

868
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: and I can see the boobs through the squiggly lines.

869
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: But no, this time, I can convinced Dad to buy

870
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: them a UFC.

871
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: Four.

872
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 3: How much does the growth of UFC there change your

873
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: martial arts direction in your mind of what you're doing

874
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: training people out of the garage and then escalating to

875
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: a hey, I got this great guy in camp.

876
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, no change. I think it was everything, you know.

877
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: But I was considered successful with the promoting kickboxing and

878
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: kickboxing at the time, you know, so I think that's

879
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: why people came. I was the only guy around with

880
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: the stand up if you think about it, you know

881
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people weren't doing that. So I already

882
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: had kickboxing champions, you know, guys doing tie boxing, guys boxing,

883
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: so it was and plus service from Long Island, so

884
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I was the guy to go to.

885
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: So but that the UFC changes everything, I kind of

886
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: put whatever training I'm doing. I got to be almost

887
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: forty at the time, right, so I just concentrate on

888
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: training people. You know, when did you?

889
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: At what point do you and Sarah begin to team

890
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: up to train both either?

891
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: I guess him. Yeah, let's talk about that.

892
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: Sarah Longo wasn't a thing until his career is mostly over.

893
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yeah, I'm not one hundred percent of you.

894
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yeah.

895
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: So as he is moving through the ranks, past the

896
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: Shawny Carter fights, and then eventually we're gonna get back

897
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: to the ultimate fighter for he wins against Chris Leader,

898
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: Where are you during this whole time?

899
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm right with him? Oh no, no, we're we're

900
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: we're hanging out together. Yeah no, no, I'm close with

901
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: him at this point, not like today, but it's the

902
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: relationship is. But I like the guy he was For

903
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: a young guy, I felt like there wasn't even an

904
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: age gap. He was way mature beyond his years, and

905
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: he was he was funny, and he was he was

906
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: a fighter. Look, what's the first fight you cornered him for?

907
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: Do you remember in the UFC, Yeah, Shony, which for

908
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: folks who going to remember, he actually lost via one

909
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: of the earliest ever spinning back faces.

910
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: Yes, one of one of the reasons I love it too,

911
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: because you know, it's funny. And when we looked at Shoony,

912
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: I remember, I had a kid who won the gloves

913
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: with me. He said, we're looking at shown he spinned

914
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: back for someone and he'll see that coming. And then

915
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: he did get hit by it, I swear to God.

916
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: And then I you know, Henzo was the guy in

917
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: the corner. You only look one guy and I'm screaming

918
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: at He's got to say up again for it. And

919
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: then look, here's why I love him. He could have

920
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: left me at that point. I'm the striking coach, so

921
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm getting attacked by everybody, and he'll do the interviews.

922
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: Rain never told me to keep my hand on my ass.

923
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: He never said that, and he's look, he made a mistake.

924
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: He grew from it. But that's what all the other

925
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: generations of guys get. You have a guy that lost

926
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: his first UFC fight, plus he just beat John Jack matchage,

927
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: so he's basically getting immortalized right on that level. He loses,

928
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: He's got to look at that. For ten years, he

929
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: becomes a champion. That's a strong, wild guy. That's that's

930
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: a strong, wild motherfucker. Man. He really was. What a

931
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: what a badass? He didn't showing you being around somebody

932
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: that hungry, that mentally strong. I think so I think

933
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: it all adds. I think we all play off each other,

934
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you know what I mean.

935
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: It's like I'm trying to think that. You gotta remember too, Like,

936
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: not many people know this story. So when I meet Sarah,

937
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: my gym was down the block from the courthouse in

938
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: Nassau County and he's in court because he had bit

939
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: a guy's eer off in a fight. Now this is

940
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: here's a Miami saying this. Now, we never really talked

941
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: about this, So no, no, seriously. So he's at the

942
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: pizza parla. He calls his girlfriend up. I could get

943
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: this story a little wrong too, but he calls his

944
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: girlfriend up. The brother picks up the phone basically tells

945
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: him to go fuck himself, and I tells him to

946
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: go fuck himself. The guys are jew said. He runs down,

947
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: he breaks his boss's nose. He grabs Sarah in the bag.

948
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: This is before jiu jitsu. Will always say, if I

949
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: knew jiu jitsu, this would have never happened. I would

950
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: have been able. It's almost like what he did in

951
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: the restaurant would have been a little different. But he

952
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: bit the guys here completely off. So he beats he

953
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: beats the you know listen, so you know, as a coach,

954
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got a fighter. This is this is

955
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: the shit I'm looking for you, you know what I mean,

956
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: Like I need Once you've got the balls, it's easy.

957
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: Like if you've got a guy who's gun show, you

958
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: can show him all the watching you want. He doesn't

959
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: want to get hit. There's nothing you can do about

960
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: it unless you can, you know, figure out a way

961
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: to make him at ease with that, which obviously there's

962
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: ways to do. So he's coming to the gym in between.

963
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: He beats the criminal case. Then they sew him for

964
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: like twelve million civilly and he's coming to court every day.

965
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: Were hanging out talking, you know, and the guy like

966
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: it was total self defense. But the guy was saying

967
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: that Sarah knocked him down then he bent over him.

968
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: But he's zero off and I'm like, dude, if you

969
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: did that, I want you to get the fuck out

970
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: of the gym. That's a different level. Self defense is

971
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: one thing, but if you handle that's just cannibal. Now

972
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: that's cannibal, isn't at that point, But that's what the

973
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: guy was saying. But Sarah, you could see his personality

974
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: now because I talked to the defense attorney, goes, I

975
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: never had a better witness than this guy, you know

976
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was for another problem we had,

977
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: but so that one. So he's coming to the gym

978
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: and we're talking about the case every day, and he

979
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: beats the civil case, you know, and then he moves

980
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: on and at that point we're fighting. That was always

981
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: the weird probably go if they know you're fighting now,

982
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: But you know, it wasn't you didn't have the coverage

983
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: like today. I think it would have been a problem.

984
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: I don't even think it ever came up. But he

985
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: was already fighting. He beats that, and yeah, that was

986
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: how'd we get on to that.

987
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: Did that guy ever sew an earback on or he

988
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: just went to look, I.

989
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: Tell you, Sarah tells me, now he's up there. He

990
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: had a prosthetic gear he was screwing it on and

991
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: off for the jewelry. And I'm like, dude, this is

992
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: this is insane.

993
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: This guy dude eighties and nineties probably I don't even know,

994
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 4: but he said the guy was off the juice. So

995
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 4: he didn't even look big. Now he goes all this shit.

996
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 4: He was half the size he was. He's got this fake.

997
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: But now you got another guy who's five foot six,

998
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: so he's not a big guy. Man, so he and

999
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: he speaks well, so he he's doing good. He beats

1000
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: that case and then we just from there, we just

1001
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: got tight as shit. He's a he's a really funny guy.

1002
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 1: Like there's there's times I'm driving, I'm on the phone,

1003
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: I gotta pull over, like he's he's he's just a

1004
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 1: great guy. Yeah, well what fuels him having balls? Because

1005
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: he's got balls, Matt Sarah. You know, he was a

1006
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: lot of it's a lot of fights as a kid man.

1007
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: You know, I would talk to other guys from his

1008
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: high school and then when and when I was promoting him,

1009
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: because he would fight on whatever the ring of combat was.

1010
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Back then, me and Negli you were doing the shows

1011
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: at the Vanderbilt Long Long Island too. He'd pre sell

1012
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: like two three hundred tickets, which is not easy to do.

1013
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: He was a real likable guy and he was that

1014
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: guy in school he was he was the badass, but

1015
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: he was the badass fighting the bullies. He wasn't a

1016
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: bully and he still will never do that. He's if

1017
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: you're a bully, he's going after you. The same with

1018
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: like Wideman. You think you're alpha male and somebody in

1019
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: the club Wideman's he's ripping you right out of there.

1020
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: You know, that's right. I love about these guys. You

1021
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: know what you know. And I don't come from the

1022
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: easiest environment, but these guys I think took a twother level.

1023
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 5: Who gives Stah the nickname the terror Man? No idea,

1024
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 5: probably just rhymed. I guess it wasn't you or anything.

1025
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I mean, I'm having new all games.

1026
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: Now I'm starting to under I mean, I knew it

1027
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: all all, but now I'm like, oh shit, now, oh no.

1028
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: That guy was a terra yeah. Now, even coming out

1029
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: of jiu jitsu. One time he saw a guy sitting

1030
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: on my tawd down he started. I had to grab him,

1031
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: buying his shirt, like I don't what is it? So

1032
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: what they're sitting on the guy was gonna.

1033
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: Go crazy, Now he's all right, Well he goes crazy

1034
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: and becomes a legitimate title I don't I think.

1035
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: We drifted off, Well, well we could drift back in here.

1036
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: You got GSP in front of you.

1037
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: It becomes the kind of the go to on the

1038
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 3: biggest upset in UFC history. Although Matt's also a Hall

1039
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: of Famer, so we know that he had the ability

1040
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: to pull that off. But did it go exactly in

1041
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: the best case scenario of what you would have hoped there?

1042
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: Did you? You know?

1043
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: What?

1044
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: Do you what do you remember about game planning for GSP?

1045
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: The first time I've got a game plan for GSP.

1046
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: You know, he tells the story like I made him

1047
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: believe in his in his right hand right, he did

1048
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: have power. But I'm like, made you believe you you

1049
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: broke the guy's jaw with a headgear on. I seen

1050
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: you knocked down three or four guys. One guy was

1051
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: GSP sparring partner, like he thinks, so you gotta remember

1052
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: the relationship. I was a ballbuster. So like what he's

1053
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: doing to me now he's making up for what I

1054
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: did to him when he was a younger kid, right,

1055
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: So I you know, I'm like the fault in now,

1056
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: so I got to take it like, you know whatever.

1057
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: But so he would always think I was bullshit, and

1058
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, where do you see the bullshit? I'm just saying, like,

1059
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: if you hit this guy, he's going that's it. And

1060
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: I thought I just did a great job with getting

1061
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: him the right sparring looks and everything. And I knew

1062
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: you gotta remember two at the time, Sarah is a

1063
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: legend at Hanzo's. He's beating everybody. He's just you know,

1064
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: and GSP was training there with Danna, So he's here

1065
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: in this shit. I don't care who he's rolling with.

1066
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: The guy's gonna go. No, Sarah kills me, you know.

1067
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: So he thinks we want to fight to the law.

1068
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: We never intended to that fight to go to the

1069
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: floor at all. And for folks who remembered it was

1070
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: supposed to happen. Then GSP gets injured, that was huge too.

1071
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: And I gave you guys another like two months of sport.

1072
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: You good that that was huge? Yes, that was huge.

1073
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: I don't even know before the two months. That two

1074
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: months really let us dial in one hundred percent. That's

1075
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: a great point.

1076
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: When he landed that first right hand, that absolutely landed flush.

1077
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: What went through your mind?

1078
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: Because I'll never forget where I was. I was at

1079
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: a Hard Times cafe in Fredericksburg, Virginia watching this because

1080
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: of course he had to come off the ultimate fighter

1081
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: this season four redemption season.

1082
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: They brought all the guys back, including Tony Carter.

1083
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: By the way, they brought Tony quarterback for that, and

1084
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: Matt wins it against Chrislidel and a fairly like bored one.

1085
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Hundred percent one hundred percent, and so he could have

1086
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: one either way, though I thought Matt won. But again,

1087
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: I I just got you know what it is, I

1088
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: got really tough guys that are good guys, which I

1089
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: think is always the best compo. You don't want to

1090
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: be a fucking lined tick wee. He just always you

1091
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: never r if these are good guys, like he really

1092
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: felt tolerable for Idyle had four kids. I remember telling

1093
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: me that it sucks, but you know, I gotta do

1094
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: what I gotta do. But I think that's why he

1095
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: gave him that fight in Illinois at the end. He

1096
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: wanted that in the worst way for Litel. As crazy

1097
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: as that sounds is why I love him, I really

1098
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: and those guys ended up having a great friendship, you know,

1099
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: him and Dean Thomas super close. And that's what I

1100
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: love about fighting. You fight a guy and the your

1101
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: friends with him, and then you know a guy and

1102
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: then you know a guy man. And so when that right.

1103
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: Hand landed, yeah, and you could see GSP is in trouble,

1104
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: I kind.

1105
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: Of knew it was over, you know, I kind of

1106
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: knew it was over, and we went through it because

1107
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: the funny pot was so that night I had Luke, Como, Drago, Pizzo,

1108
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: and Matt fighting. Remember when Como hits Who is the

1109
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: kid that Bisbee for it? In the finale? It was

1110
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: a cowboy? Maybe? No, who Luke beaton Texas? I can't

1111
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: think of his name. Come on, Bisbee fort him. I

1112
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: don't even think Bisbane got rid of him in five rounds.

1113
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: It was on the show with Bisbane. Nice guy. I

1114
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: can't remember. Oh, but anyway, So Luke knocks him out

1115
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: and the guy GRIBs the ref's leg, right, So I

1116
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: go to Matt. I go list ma. If you get

1117
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: him hurt, you gotta maintain distance. The guy's gonna look

1118
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: to grib you. I'm just pacing it off of what

1119
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: just happened with Luke. And after he hit him, you

1120
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: watch Matt. He's lining them up, he's looking for very

1121
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: patient and then when he got him on the floor

1122
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: and got him in trouble, he just finished it off.

1123
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was that was great to this day.

1124
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people don't like GSP tapped

1125
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: to strikes. He did tap the strike, which I actually

1126
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: don't even blame him for because he was getting bombed on.

1127
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: But that was the ultimate surrender, was it not to

1128
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: get that guy to tap the strikes without of that?

1129
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: Well, GSP is a great guy. He's a of course guy.

1130
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm no, no, no, definitely not. But I'm saying he'll

1131
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: even tell you he that's what I'm saying, Sarah, bitter

1132
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: guy's zero off. I watched some of these guys in

1133
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: the street. You know what I'm saying. GSP's not biting

1134
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: anybody's zero right. It's a sport, you know. To me,

1135
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: Matt was always street fighting, you know, and then we

1136
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: have to sophisticate that. But when you have that type

1137
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: of mentality and you've been in a hundred street fights. Look,

1138
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: the difference back then was guys were fighting for nothing.

1139
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: They fought because they loved to fight. It wasn't about

1140
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: they weren't negotiating money now, which allowed Dana to build

1141
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: that thing up. And I think that's why he takes

1142
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: care of Matt today. You know, he's always uh, he

1143
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: really tasts good care of Matt. So you know, those

1144
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: guys fought because they love to fight. So GSP I

1145
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: don't think it was ever that guy. I think he's

1146
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: an athlete and he's a sportsman. You know, he's just

1147
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: a nice kid. But you know, you put him out,

1148
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: you know, like whatever, I'm just saying, like in hindsight, coach,

1149
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: in what ways did that might change your life? Uh?

1150
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: I I don't even know. Man, Everything was just good. Dude.

1151
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: Look I'm riding a wave that hasn't even stopped. That

1152
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: gives you a critical stamp.

1153
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: Then this camp, this coach, this fighter that that this

1154
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: is you know.

1155
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: A moment in time. You know it's back then. I

1156
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: was just telling this the people in the gym. I

1157
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: didn't even I may have did one interview if I

1158
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk to anybody. I didn't even care

1159
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: you know, the social media wasn't the thing. Maybe it

1160
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: wasn't a big deal. I never really was wanted to,

1161
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: uh you know, glomb any of the limelight because it

1162
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: was Sarah's the fighter, so you know what I mean.

1163
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: He always did a good job, you know, pushing me

1164
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: out in front of everybody. So that was it. It

1165
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: wasn't until he retired and I got with Wideman I

1166
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: started getting a little more, you know, I had the

1167
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: relationships were different, so I you know, I started stepping

1168
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: out and talking more and people forgetting Sarah had good wins.

1169
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: After that. The Frank Trigg one hundred percent and he

1170
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: used for one hundred percent. Bombed on Trigg big time.

1171
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: Trust me, I hear about it everymonius. No, no, that's

1172
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: his favorite fight, okay. And in the US fight, I

1173
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: thought he one hundred percent one. I thought he stole

1174
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: it at the end with that what he did, and

1175
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: so I like trip away hip to us and I

1176
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: don't know what he did, but he took him down

1177
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: nice and he didn't really get any damage in that fight.

1178
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: I thought that was definitely one one going into the

1179
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: third and.

1180
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 6: What a crazy talk about the split decisions and both guys'

1181
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 6: names are Matt. You want to fucking have a heart attack.

1182
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 6: I think we won, Matt. I mean it was used,

1183
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 6: not Sarah. It's like, ah, that was a bummer because

1184
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 6: I really want him to win that fight.

1185
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: But all right, on the Ray Longo coaching journey, yeah,

1186
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: that Sarah has a moment and it establishes you on

1187
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 3: the elite level, on the top level.

1188
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: Maybe when does Chris Widman walk into your life? Yeah? Yeah,

1189
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: So there's a guy that went to school and they

1190
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: called me probably ten times. You got to see this

1191
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: guy's arrested. He's a good right, I don't care, you know.

1192
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just happy doing my thing. I got

1193
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: my little gym. I'm doing good. And then I must

1194
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: have blown him off. I guess I know. I always

1195
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: blow him off. And then he walked in the gym.

1196
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: One time, he walks in the gym and I was

1197
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: watching Sporn. He sat on the ring with me, and

1198
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: everything's over and two o'clock in the morning we're still talking. Now.

1199
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: I go, man, I really like this guy was what

1200
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: a nice what a nice guy. He's asking the right

1201
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: questions and blah blah blah. And then I see this

1202
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: guy and I'm like, man, I never saw wrestling like that.

1203
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: I wasn't really the wrestling guy. I always let it

1204
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: somebody else do it. But Wideman was off. When was

1205
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: he a differently? I saw in Wideman what I saw

1206
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: Matt with the jiu jitsu. These guys are unstoppable. And

1207
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: then if you look at even his collegiate ones, he

1208
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: had a couple of you know, uh flops, but he'd

1209
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: beat Phil Davis, he beat Beta so on any giving

1210
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: I think he lost to Rochal right, uh be, probably

1211
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of other guys, but on any given day

1212
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: he could beat anybody with that. But it was a

1213
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: level that I never saw before. Men did he take

1214
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: He took to the striking really well. And you know,

1215
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: again we've I don't know if you heard the story

1216
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: about when we went out to dinner the other night,

1217
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: but you know he wanted to spare right away. I'm like, there, listen,

1218
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: you have a shot. You know you're not jumping in

1219
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: there right then the guy called up he was bringing

1220
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: a wrestless Do you have anybody from the spar whoever

1221
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: was supposed to spaw him doesn't show up in Wide

1222
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: Miss day, he goes, I want I'm sparring. You know,

1223
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: he's he's with me like three months. This guy comes

1224
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: from a wrestling family out east, and I go, you

1225
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: know what, Okay, you could say you don't have a mouthpiece,

1226
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: though I figure I go that route. That's when you

1227
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: hear this story. Now there's a concrete floor under the octagon,

1228
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: the mats, there's no match. He sees a mouthpiece, this

1229
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: shitty with the fucking fuzz on it, and he goes,

1230
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: I got one. He sticks this fucking mouthpiece. I don't,

1231
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: I go, I gotta know the winner. I don't even

1232
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: have to see him. Sounds like the script to a

1233
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: movie rights this movie where Billy Blanks would play the

1234
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: high school January kick ass. You know what I mean.

1235
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: He picks up the mouthpiece and he beats the ever

1236
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: living shit out of This guy was a wrestling me

1237
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: But the guy that came from a wrestling family, he

1238
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 1: was older. Though he's probably like thirty. He probably thirty four,

1239
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,479
Speaker 1: which is pretty funny because that doesn't seem all today,

1240
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: But Wideman was probably twenty three. He just beat the

1241
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: piss out of the guy. Go holy shit, we gotta

1242
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: just fast track this guy. And then you know that

1243
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: was a fast track. That was a fast track right

1244
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: to the time. It really wasn't. The turning point was

1245
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: for me with was the Mark Munios he would have

1246
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: been when he slashed over the elbow and what timing

1247
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: on that.

1248
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 2: So I was just like, holy fucking shit, this guy

1249
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 2: is going to do something crazy.

1250
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 1: Dude, he was. I seen him just leave people lane

1251
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: dead in the Octaga. He was vicious Whiteman. Now he's

1252
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: a fucking family man. He's a great guy. But I

1253
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: think it came with a price of him not being

1254
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: as hungry as he was coming up. You know, he

1255
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 1: was living in his mother's basement. He was still getting

1256
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: in street fights. And I've been with him a couple

1257
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: of he's pretty I mean, they're all nuts, but they're

1258
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: all great guys. But I can't tell you like is

1259
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: like like I like on this, I don't even think

1260
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: there's anything you could do to that guy if they

1261
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: either knock him out of you just getting ragged all like,

1262
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: if you don't know what you're doing. He's just he's

1263
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: he's huge and he was just killing everybody, all right.

1264
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: Which locker room after the win was crazier Sarah beating

1265
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: GSP or Wideman beating Anderson Silva the first time.

1266
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: I means saying, I'm gonna say, I'm going to try

1267
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: probably say Wideman because everything's bigger at the time, Meteor

1268
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: and like the other thing I'm telling you, Matt, it

1269
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: was just like we were going to a fight. Like

1270
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: people said, what was it like having three guys fighting

1271
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: on the same cut. I I don't know, like they

1272
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: all were equal, Like, you know, even though Sarah was

1273
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: fighting for the title, he's just telling this story. I'm

1274
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: staying with a friend of mine in Houston at the time,

1275
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: and he's going, we're going to see three hundred, Like

1276
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: I'll pass movie. The movie three hundred so you could

1277
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: go back was two thousand and seven, right, they coming,

1278
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: He's walking down the hole. They're coming down the hole,

1279
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: going you got to go to the press conference. Like

1280
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't even like this is where we're at. He's

1281
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: not here. No, he goes, I'm going to the movie. No, No,

1282
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: you got to go to the press conference. This is

1283
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: where we're at. Like everything was, we were putting a

1284
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: big emphasis on things. And again this is my standpoint.

1285
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: You know, he could be different, but he calls up

1286
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: because you got to get over here quick. You know.

1287
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: It's like Luke and Drag already left it. I'm by myself.

1288
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: He's got a whole authorized By the time I get there,

1289
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: they're already in mid stream. He's making jokes up on

1290
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: the podium. And but that that's kind of the way

1291
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: it was. So it wasn't it was big. But Sarah's grounded. Man.

1292
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: He never like you were never worried about him going

1293
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: out and wrecking his car or you know, sleeping with

1294
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: ten hookers and gets watts. Not now, they're all really guy.

1295
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: I even had that conversation with Algie. I'm not even

1296
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: worried about you. He's such a nice kid and he's

1297
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: got a great girl, and he.

1298
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: Just does the right do those wins they're so different,

1299
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: different guys different times.

1300
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: Do they mean the same thing to you?

1301
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: I wonder if they mean slightly different things in their

1302
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,479
Speaker 2: own way, you know, the greatest upset.

1303
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I take it like like Fravola's fight to me

1304
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: was as big as Algos fight the other night. Like

1305
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: I think that's what I love about the UFC. Each

1306
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: fight is like a they're all they carry such heavy

1307
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: weight with them for a variety of reasons. So Uh,

1308
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: I just think that, you know what, why Widman? You know,

1309
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: I got Sarah in the corner with me or whatever.

1310
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's now part of that end of it.

1311
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: So the dynamic changes, I think a little bit. But

1312
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: they're all great times. But I would never say this

1313
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: was better than that. But Weidman's definitely was more monumental

1314
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: based on where we were. It was another ten years future,

1315
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: so you know all the meatia, you're going here, you're

1316
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 1: getting interviewed here. It was different back then they didn't

1317
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: even have that. But you would know better than me.

1318
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: But that's my.

1319
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 3: Also, when you upset GSP, no one knew at that

1320
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,479
Speaker 3: moment who GSP necessarily would become.

1321
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: Right, he was already What did I mean?

1322
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 3: Because I want to say, what did you field? It's

1323
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 3: a huge moment for you guys. But it was a

1324
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 3: weird ending. Anderson kind of did it to himself. He did, Yeah,

1325
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: he did spider things. Wyman just kept punching and you

1326
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: got rid of him. Yeah, what are your emotions?

1327
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: Then? In that moment, beyond the beyond the the first fight,

1328
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: it was just unbelieved. I can't couldn't believe he did it,

1329
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was one of those because

1330
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: you gotta remember at that point, Anderson Silva's got a

1331
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: highlight tape from Hell. I mean, look at all the

1332
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: knockouts that guy had and all this stuff. So did

1333
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: you think Wiman was gonna wrestle him? I thought Wyman

1334
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: was gonna wrestle him more than knock him out. But

1335
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: I know he had power in his hands. And uh

1336
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 1: even that thing with the punch a hole in his chest,

1337
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: which that was really like emotional for me in there.

1338
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: So like again, people try to get me to say it,

1339
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: I never have said it. I'll write it, but I

1340
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: won't say it. But the goal was to put a

1341
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: bullseye on his chest because he had the good head movement,

1342
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: so I wanted to at least make contact and then

1343
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: the second and third punch find his head. So it

1344
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: wasn't like it came out of left field. He knew

1345
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: what the fuck I was throwing about.

1346
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 3: Ye I was hoping as an a wrestling fan, Ox Baker,

1347
01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: you're going for the Hart punch.

1348
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: That's why I was opening. Well, people don't use that

1349
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: enoughing Evin. I'll tell you what I know to punch

1350
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: under the uh, the high rib of Piotou is, that's

1351
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: that's a problem. Man. You could punch your a lung

1352
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: and you know you break that up a rib, you

1353
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: punch her a lung. So the rand was big on

1354
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: that punch, though, you know what I mean. So, I mean,

1355
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: I I do. You know, I've always gone over with

1356
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: my fighters, but uh, it wasn't that wasn't that wasn't

1357
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: for that. That was just to stabilize them. I want

1358
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: him to hit something. I don't want him to get

1359
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: frustrated missing. No. Sometimes you know it's like I'd rather

1360
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: hit a guy at fifty percent and miss him at

1361
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. You know that type of mentality.

1362
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 2: We don't have a ton of time left, but I

1363
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: want to see if there's a through line. So you

1364
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: had this incredible run with Sarah, this incredible run with

1365
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: Chris Wieman, which is not over, but certainly I think,

1366
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: you know, he is probably close to the end of

1367
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 2: his career than the beginning. I think it's fair to say.

1368
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: And now with al Joe doing these incredible things, Imagine

1369
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: I'm a coach and I'm like decent, but I haven't

1370
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: kind of got it figured out. And I asked, you, coach,

1371
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 2: what what can I do what has been the through

1372
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 2: line that has enabled you to take guys from Long

1373
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: Island who, yes, are special athletes, but to really turn

1374
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 2: them into something great? What do I need to do

1375
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: to put myself in a position like you have? What

1376
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: is the what is the common denominator?

1377
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,959
Speaker 1: There? I'm going to say the first common denominator? Like again,

1378
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: I you know I should be thinking about this more.

1379
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: But you have to give a shit about them more

1380
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: than yourself. That's it. It's got to be selflessless at

1381
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: its highest, no matter what it takes. Where you have

1382
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: to bring them, what you have to do for them,

1383
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: what trouble you have to get them out of, how

1384
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: you have to be there for them, what Chris things

1385
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: you have to just you got to immerse yourself. We

1386
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: really I never liked that word family, but it is

1387
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: kind of like a family, you know at this point.

1388
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: And I think it's it's not a technical thing. I

1389
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: think everybody go to YouTube. Everybody's got technique now right.

1390
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, another conversation we had the other day,

1391
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: like I listened you know sometimes even with what you

1392
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: guys like I listened to like if you're looking at

1393
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: one of my fight is like, sometimes I don't even

1394
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, Like you know, like for

1395
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: Vols laugh and he's like they said, I put up

1396
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: my hands to draw out the low attack. There. It

1397
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: looks that way after the fact, but you know, if

1398
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: you're telling me that during the fight, like look, I

1399
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: think he's trying to draw him out, that's different. But

1400
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: it's always easy to go back and look, you know,

1401
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: the no just a fight. I listened to somebody one

1402
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: time with I had quint and I'm like, I don't

1403
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: even know what the guy's talking about, Like you know,

1404
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: was I I think when you look at it after

1405
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: the fact, you could come up with, look, he must

1406
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: be setting them up. It makes sense, but that's not

1407
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: really what's happening, you know what I mean. We did

1408
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: the thing with Frivola just to go back on that way.

1409
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: I said, if he beaty, beats you with his right hand,

1410
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: we're not letting this guy w with his left hand.

1411
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: That's all he throws, that's where his power is. I go,

1412
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose. You lose to the other hand. And

1413
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: that's what we just focused on, taking away his cross,

1414
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's what happened. So I would even,

1415
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: and I would say, for you get punched in the

1416
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: head with that cross, your fire your right hand back.

1417
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: He can't get his hand back in time, so I

1418
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: smacked him in the head. He comes back at the right.

1419
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: So now Dobe is going low. I go, oh my god,

1420
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: he's setting them up. You know, he's going low because

1421
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: he wants to fake him out and go high. And

1422
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: that would have been the first adjustment. I maybe, but

1423
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: he throws low. Frovola follows that cross back with the

1424
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: right and he's got powering us.

1425
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 3: That's not ballst know this. Look, he's your fighter. You

1426
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 3: you're ready to bring this kid to a title. But like,

1427
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 3: what do we not know about Matt for vol up

1428
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 3: to this?

1429
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: By the The thing we don't know is he's still

1430
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: growing and he's still understanding the fight game. Like after

1431
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: he lost to McKinney. He'll tell the story. But I

1432
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: grabbed him because I probably wasn't giving him that much.

1433
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: As I said you too, I'm not letting you go

1434
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: out like this. You're too talented. And I just go

1435
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: right back to basics. Do you understand? Can you lead

1436
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: a guy into punches? Can you walk them around? Can

1437
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: you You can't just go running in with your fucking

1438
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: head like and think that. You know, I'm you know,

1439
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: he's the guy with the bayonet, you know, the first

1440
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: guy getting killed, you know what I mean. So now

1441
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: he's starting to think. You see, he's moving a little bit.

1442
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: His awareness, he's looked in. His timing got better. I

1443
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: make him. I go, Look, I start a boxing class.

1444
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: I got guys are all boxing, right, I mean, where

1445
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: does everybody get knocked out with? Is it anything special?

1446
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: It's a good one too or across. I mean, it's

1447
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: not rocket science. That would be the next thing I

1448
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: would tell because it's you know, it's not really rocket science. Man.

1449
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: You could just stick to the basics, you know. But

1450
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: and I made for Vola. He didn't like it. He

1451
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: hated the boxing class. Not only box but you know,

1452
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: I cut off the oct the gun in fours, so

1453
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: you got there's no place to go. You're gonna deal

1454
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: with getting hit, sitting in that fucking pocket and coming back. Well,

1455
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a problem. You know. Even Alger he

1456
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: only hates the class, but he does do it. And

1457
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: I think it made him better, you know, because they

1458
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: can do everything. For Vola could do everything, Algia could

1459
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: do everything. Uh, you know, for Volican wrestlers, jiu jitsu's

1460
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: not bad. He's a good kicker, he's a good puncher.

1461
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: But if you're not using your head, what good is it?

1462
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: Like?

1463
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: You know, you're wasting You're wasting your tools. So you

1464
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: work with Billy Q as well, I know. I mean

1465
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 1: I've I've had him in the gym a couple of times.

1466
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: But no, I'd love to worry love that guarantelle. You

1467
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: cannot dislike Billy KO. He's one of those I'd love

1468
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: to see him in the gym. I think he would

1469
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: benefit tremendously because that thirty five to fifty five, we're

1470
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: really deep. Where'd we go with that one?

1471
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: I want to I want to ask this question because

1472
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: I feel like it's really important in this way, like

1473
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: people who are very associated with a certain part of

1474
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: the world. I've one time heard Jerry Seinfeld explain what

1475
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: he loved about New York And he met New York

1476
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 2: City and probably more Manhattan anything else.

1477
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: But he's a Long Island guy.

1478
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 2: Told me he knows the story, but he was explaining

1479
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: what he loved about New York. What do you love

1480
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 2: about Long Island? Tell me about Long What what is

1481
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: great about Long Island?

1482
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: Man? I think I just love the people on Long Island.

1483
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: You know, I think you know where I went. I

1484
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: grew up in a real blue collar area. I just

1485
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: I love the grid of Long Island dealing with like

1486
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: Hurricane Sandy, and you know, nine to eleven, everybody bandoned together.

1487
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: I guess it's just where he grew up. And I

1488
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: don't think I could leave, you know, like you know

1489
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: aljis Are you got to come to Vega, you know Wideman,

1490
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: you know North Carolina. I don't know, man, I think

1491
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm stuck in New York. I don't know. Maybe it's

1492
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1493
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 2: And one time asked, like Greg Jackson, like why does

1494
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: Albuquerque work for you? He was saying, like the desert

1495
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: kind of steals you, you know, over time, you have

1496
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,959
Speaker 2: to you have to have a biological answer for the

1497
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 2: harshness of the desert. And they would immerse themselves in that,

1498
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: and that that's what he believed was a part of

1499
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 2: his success. But of course you don't have a desert

1500
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: in Long Island. You have wonderful beaches and all kinds

1501
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 2: of things. Yeah, So like, what is it that makes

1502
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 2: you guys what you are being from that area.

1503
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: It could be like, you know, because half the year,

1504
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, you get out of your car and you

1505
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: have a foot deep in snow, hard and jay you

1506
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: want to kill somebody. You know, you deal with, you know,

1507
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: adverse heat, you deal with adverse you know, coldness, everything's aggressive, everything,

1508
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: everything's in your face. But I but where I disagree

1509
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: is I really and I and when I'm out, like

1510
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: if I go away, I look, I try hard to

1511
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: be a nice guy. I don't, you know. I mean,

1512
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: you got to work at it too, but you're not

1513
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, no, you know what I'm saying, Like I

1514
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: don't like what I hear, Like New Yorkers suck and

1515
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't feel that at all now.

1516
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: But their method of communication, who don't know it seems rough?

1517
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's what I'm gonna say. So I'm in

1518
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: a gym. I got Dagistani's, I got Georgian's, I got

1519
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: guys from Misery, I got due. We could all get along.

1520
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: They're all they're all great guys. Like That's what. That's

1521
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: one of the things I love about coaching. I get

1522
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: to talk to different cultures and you know, one guy's

1523
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: father was just telling me, like even during like the

1524
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: Cuban missile crisis or whatever or something like that, they

1525
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: were shipping in their pants. They thought we were going

1526
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: to bomb them. We think, you know, we're shipping in

1527
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: our pants. We think that. And you get to just

1528
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, meet different people and culturally get to you know,

1529
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: see where they're coming from. That's what I love about.

1530
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: It's a melting pot, you know, and you get all

1531
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: these combinations of you know, cultures coming at and I think,

1532
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, you grow from that, you evolve from that.

1533
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: You know. Even you know, my wife being Cuban, I

1534
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: mean I love it, you know, I mean I love

1535
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, embracing you know, he Cube. I really respected

1536
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: her parents. They came here with nothing, they had to escape.

1537
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: They made a great life for themselves. We're both very successful.

1538
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: I might not agree with them, but I had one

1539
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: hundred percent respected them, and I love I love the

1540
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: immigrant mentality, you know what I mean, Like almost like

1541
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: talking to my grandfather years ago. You know, I'd love

1542
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: that that's the culture you brought. That's what I'm saying.

1543
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: Like it's not an insult.

1544
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 3: I feel like you could be the guy working at

1545
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 3: my local diner and I you know though, that's Ray.

1546
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 3: You know, you bring that to high level mixed martial

1547
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 3: arts because it's who you are and the only way

1548
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 3: you know.

1549
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: And I think there's you know, it's a refreshing thank you. Yeah,

1550
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,839
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, like again every Sunday in the Bronx,

1551
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: and that's a different animal altogether. My father was just

1552
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: born and Bretty couldn't get you know, he loved the

1553
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: Bronx and all my relatives there was those Sunday dinners

1554
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: were insane. People are getting stabbed preaching for an extra sauceage.

1555
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but and I guess that's

1556
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: what muljin building. And as you grow up, you start

1557
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: associating with like people. I think. So, you know, I

1558
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: always had like Sara Sarah. It was funn he was

1559
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: an Italian guy. He loved all of that ship. You

1560
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: know that that you know, whatever you got any cool

1561
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: studio fifty four stories? You and Andy Warhol in the

1562
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: Studio fifty four? What was a White Lightning or what?

1563
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: I still love? What was a Cafe Iguana? Was big?

1564
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that place. It was

1565
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: a smaller place. Where else do we go infinities.

1566
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 3: They think, whoever the good narcotics were, let's be Yeah,

1567
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 3: yeah I was.

1568
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: I was never a big drug guy until, you know,

1569
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: more like recently I started like smoking just to get

1570
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: to bed. But hey, yeah, yeah you got now yeah

1571
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: now yeah, just I love it.

1572
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: Just I think it's well boy, look at you on

1573
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 2: the O G cush Kem Dog track.

1574
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no whatever. But it's only like you

1575
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: never catch me during the day doing any of that. Ship.

1576
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: But I want to sleep. I really value sleep like

1577
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: a huge factor of good health and as you get

1578
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but he said, you know, you're a baby.

1579
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: For hey, I'm telling you I'm a poorly maintained baby.

1580
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: His white hair is all over though. Yeah, this is

1581
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,520
Speaker 1: a this is a mess over there. Yeah.

1582
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: I gotta say, coach that I want to wrap up here.

1583
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: It's one thing that's kind of funny. I will say

1584
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 2: that we wanted to talk to you for a while,

1585
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: but something was circulating recently on social media about you,

1586
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: which was you know, it's kind of unfortunate we don't

1587
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: have a independent MMA Hall of Fame.

1588
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: We have a UFC Hall of Fame, which I'm not

1589
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: backing on them.

1590
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 2: You know, Sarah is in it and deserves to be

1591
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 2: in it, right like, but there's no place for the coaches.

1592
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: Man.

1593
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 2: And I got to say, if there was one, holy shit, Ray,

1594
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 2: you'd be first ballot Hall of Fame if we had

1595
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 2: anything to do with it.

1596
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: I was in the putting at that Mama Pop shop

1597
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: you got over there. It's one thing.

1598
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: It's one thing to just to get lucky, to cross

1599
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 2: paths with Sarah, you.

1600
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 1: Have to say without doubt, yeah, I got another good point.

1601
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 2: But then to get wide men and now to get

1602
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 2: al Joe and all these other guys who also like

1603
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 2: Ali Quincey.

1604
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about him career. It's one of

1605
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: my favorite Yeah you know you do you doing something

1606
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: right over there? And long Yeah, yeah, no, that's good.

1607
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: But again, I think Matt really set the tone and

1608
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: I think I put up a post about that, But

1609
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: he set the tone for all of these guys to

1610
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,560
Speaker 1: live and dream big and they could become champions. And

1611
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: I think that's why people came to the the to

1612
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: the gym partly because of that too. And it just

1613
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: you know, it kept snowballing. So it's not just me,

1614
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: it's synergistically it's all the guys. Like you know, sometimes

1615
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: a guy will come to me with a like he

1616
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 1: got knocked. They talked to Matt, he went through it.

1617
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: He'll tell you he'll walk you right through that. I

1618
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: think that's the beauty of the gym, anything that has

1619
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: happened to anybody. Like even when Al Joe stuff with

1620
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: that lost to Marlon, you got a guy that you respect,

1621
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: that you can go back and talk to. That's some

1622
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: guy chirping in the year that never did anything or anything.

1623
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: I think that's all the experiences we have, I think

1624
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: help everybody in the gym. I mean that's the way

1625
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking at so Like again, I'm the front man,

1626
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: but I would never want to take credit for you know,

1627
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: like I think it's some credit just for being a

1628
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 1: guy to conduit of information maybe and steering in right direction.

1629
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: But these guys are all the individuals and they will

1630
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: bring something different to the table. And that's the other

1631
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: thing I would tell anybody who asked me, I was

1632
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: a coach and everybody's different. Like I heard a guy

1633
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: talking about he was talking about me one time. He's like,

1634
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 1: I just don't know where that gym's coming from, you know,

1635
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 1: this guy. You know, he kicks. It's not like Alpha

1636
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: Male where everybody has a good front. Chocus, I'm like,

1637
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: you fucking dummy, Like you know, I'm I'm working with

1638
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: the attributes I have in front of me. That's the

1639
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: way I look at it. How can I enhance Wideman's

1640
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: wrestling through his striking. I don't want to change him

1641
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: into a golden gloves box. It would be nice, you know,

1642
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 1: have everything, but you know that's the thing. So everybody

1643
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: has to be trained different. Everybody's going to look different

1644
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: because I'm not going to cookie cut him like that.

1645
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to where I think this strength

1646
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: saw and try to enhance it as much as possible.

1647
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: I love when he says the F word's just my thing.

1648
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna light on the F word today.

1649
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 3: You never know when the next you know, Chris Widman's

1650
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 3: going to walk through your door. So what if next weekend,

1651
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 3: you know, fresh race Kid comes in, he says coach

1652
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 3: ray Man. I want to win season two of Power

1653
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 3: Slap on Rump. Yes, would you tell him to get

1654
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 3: the fuck That guy would get smacked right in the face.

1655
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: We'd find out how good is how we could take

1656
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: a smack that that's brutal. But yeah, listen, you know

1657
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: if somebody said, look, I had to champ in my forties,

1658
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: I had to champ in my fifties. Don't have to

1659
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: champ in my sixties. I don't even know if I'm

1660
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: making it to seventies. So by I told nas I,

1661
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: go do it. You're going to do something, Do it now,

1662
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: because we ain't wait until seventy.

1663
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 3: Man, that's come on, They're gonna have to They're gonna

1664
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 3: have to remove you from that gym one day.

1665
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: Right f take. At this point, I did want to

1666
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: get out, but I don't know if I can I do.

1667
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,799
Speaker 1: I do think it's keeping me young. I love bullshit

1668
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: and I love Freddie Roach is still doing it. I

1669
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: love Yeah, I love busting bulls with the younger guys,

1670
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: and you know, everything's changed. I'm just trying to really

1671
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: embrace and you know where I am now what everything,

1672
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm definitely different. That's why he's trying to tell somebody

1673
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: I'm not as hands on as I was ten years

1674
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: ago because I can't less. You know, I fix. I

1675
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: got to get a hip replacement or something. But I

1676
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I still mentally feel great. I mean, I

1677
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: really feel everything. But I thought I was going to

1678
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: beat this arthritis. I don't think it's not you know,

1679
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: to hold out till as long as you can. You

1680
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: ever see him carrying me down the stairs from that,

1681
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: I think it's not looking good. So but you know

1682
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: I do. Look, yeah, that's another thing, no tort I'm

1683
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: trying to do everything natural.

1684
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 3: I got a cave into that tot. Look, hey, I'm

1685
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,759
Speaker 3: on the couch to that. I mean, twenty thirteen Vito

1686
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 3: bell For it was a work of art.

1687
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: You know. I'm unfortunately Wideman put him away, but I

1688
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 1: mean it was a thing of beauty. Right well listen,

1689
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, wait, but I know you want to cut

1690
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: this up. But you know it's funny. Before the bell

1691
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: for a fight, Dana and Nevinsky, they go, we got

1692
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: to talk to you. They gets, we're in the bathroom.

1693
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: I go, this can't be good having a conversation in

1694
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: a bathroom with somebody watching the door. They're telling me,

1695
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: why is there any ball in that bathroom too? Or no, no,

1696
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: it's just saying that Fido's testanstrone was like twelve. I

1697
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: don't you know, I still to this day don't know

1698
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: what the point of the conversation was. All I know

1699
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 1: is we got out of it and was fuelman. And

1700
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 1: then when he got up there, he said, I'm gonna

1701
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: fucking make you pay for the testosterone. You know. So

1702
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: I figure that's a little story. We had a lot

1703
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: of other good stories that we had the.

1704
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 2: Same issue before he fought Jones in Toronto or wherever

1705
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: that Canadian city was that they had that fight. His

1706
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 2: he had super elevated to stop.

1707
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: You think about that. They moved a fight. So uh,

1708
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, so what do we think, Billy Joel Jones

1709
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: Beach this summer? You know, we'll get out. We'll just

1710
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, Jones Beach is a great place for dancers. Yeah,

1711
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna a You're gonna give an extra ticket to

1712
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: Douglas Crosby or and what a sing of that man.

1713
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: Let me just ask this what Let me let me

1714
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: tell you something. With service fight against GSP, I'm up

1715
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: on the octagon and they start flishing the judges and

1716
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: I see his this this is a true story. I

1717
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: see his name. Look at Mago, Matt. You gotta knock

1718
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: this motherfucker of Douglas well because he was This is

1719
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: a new this is going. This went back, you know,

1720
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: to when Matt loss to uh uh BJ Penn. I

1721
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: had a buddy, min go, hey, you want to talk

1722
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: to the judge that scored it for BJ Go absolutely not.

1723
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: That didn't stop him. He was right in there. I

1724
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: gotta do get the fuck away from me. And it

1725
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: just was downhill ever since then. But that was at

1726
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: the BJ Penn fight. But I remember going to Mac, dude,

1727
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: you gotta knock this motherfucker around, and he looks up.

1728
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm airing this ship out. He was just

1729
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: he had nothing to lose, Sarah. Sure he you know,

1730
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: once he got passed to that point, I think, and

1731
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: I think that's where round Joe's at. He doesn't care.

1732
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna go out and be al Jo. He doesn't

1733
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: give a ship when anybody says. He's got his close

1734
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: knit friends, that's all that matters to him, I believe.

1735
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: And everybody else can you know, take a hike.

1736
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 3: But uh, they can suck a d as suck a dick. Yeah,

1737
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 3: if they want, go.

1738
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: For it, Coach, we can do this for another three hours,

1739
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 2: but we know you got to get going.

1740
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: But let's get you back here sometime I'd love him,

1741
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: and this is good. Now I'm used to the couch.

1742
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and now I know him. I feel bad

1743
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: when I said that I wasn't familiar with It's okay.

1744
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: He's a piece of ship. No, no, no, I like it.

1745
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: This guy is definitely a good guy right away, like Bolbusters.

1746
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: That's the thing. That's why I get along with Anthony Smith.

1747
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: This could be he could be my head coach. Smith

1748
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: is a great I love that.

1749
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 3: One day Factory Town, mm A, you know we're he'll

1750
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 3: be like my you know, I'll bring him into Console Fair.

1751
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: Here we go, folks. One of the best to ever

1752
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: do it Ray long ago. Thanks guys,