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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Arson, with the fire death

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Speaker 1: toll rising, looters, roaming, politicians pointing the fingers. How do

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Speaker 1: the wildfires start? If this was Arson, that equals murder charges.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: At least eighty thousand people displaced by raising fires as

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Speaker 2: evacuees learned their homes burned to the ground.

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Speaker 1: Eighty thousand and rising. You can't turn on the TV

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Speaker 1: And we're hearing a lot about a less celebrities hold

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Speaker 1: up at Chateau Mormont and beyond ordering wine, champagne, expensive

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Speaker 1: gourmet food and even ozipic.

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Speaker 3: What about the.

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Speaker 1: Other seventy nine thousand evacuated that have nowhere to go,

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Speaker 1: nowhere to go, all of their possessions gone, much less

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Speaker 1: the fatalities. Take a listen to La County Sheriff Robert Luna.

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Speaker 4: We started a search and rescue operation out in the

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Speaker 4: Eaton area where in the first day of this operation

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Speaker 4: grid searching, we searched approximately three hundred and sixty four

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Speaker 4: properties in the Altadena area. We have confirmed fourteen deaths

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Speaker 4: and that is in our specific La County jurisdiction, eleven

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Speaker 4: at the Eaton fire, and three in our portion or

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Speaker 4: our jurisdiction in the Palisades fire.

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Speaker 1: And that death toll is rising. Why joining me and

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Speaker 1: All Star panel to make sense of what we are

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Speaker 1: learning as we go to air. Straight out to Courtney Friel,

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Speaker 3: Courtney, thank you for being with us, Courtney.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine all of these fires starting simultaneously

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Speaker 1: in various geographic areas.

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Speaker 3: What's happening right now, Nancy?

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Speaker 5: At one point there were seven fires at one time,

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Speaker 5: and I've been working in the past six days NonStop

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Speaker 5: around the clock at KTLA, and this is the most

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Speaker 5: devastating nightmare any of us have covered. The two main

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Speaker 5: fires that were focusing on. Of course, the Palisades Fire

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Speaker 5: twenty four thousand acres burned, fifty three hundred structures, only

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Speaker 5: thirteen percent contained. They Eaten fire over in Altadena and

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Speaker 5: Pasadena is fourteen thousand acres with fourteen hundred structures burned.

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Speaker 5: But sadly, as you mentioned, death and twenty four lives

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Speaker 5: have been lost. But the Pacific Palisades is just decimated.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing left there's maybe twenty percent of the homes

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Speaker 5: here and there still around, but those people aren't able

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Speaker 5: to even go back and live there anytime soon because

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Speaker 5: there's no electricity or internet, or gas or water. And

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Speaker 5: it's just unprecedented what's happened out here and so tragic.

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Speaker 1: Again, Courtney, feel thank you for being with us from KTLA.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me, you're mentioning multiple fires happening. It's very

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Speaker 1: hard for those that have not dealt with arson and

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Speaker 1: those of us that have dealt with arson cases to

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Speaker 1: understand how so many different fires could have started practically simultaneously.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand that a lot of people are saying, oh,

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Speaker 5: this must be arson. And in the Kenneth fire, there

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Speaker 5: was an arrest that was made. I can only tell

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Speaker 5: you from our perspective what KTLA is covering. We probably

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Speaker 5: spent five minutes on that, because right now we are

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Speaker 5: focused on telling the stories of the people who have

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Speaker 5: the firefighting efforts, which, of course hundreds and hundreds of

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Speaker 5: firefighters from all over the country now are trying to

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Speaker 5: put these out. There's going to be a time to

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Speaker 5: blame everyone, of course, and this story is going to

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Speaker 5: have so many tangents. I mean, we're going to be

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Speaker 5: talking about the insurance issues. How about how no one

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Speaker 5: can find a place to live because there's price gouging

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Speaker 5: going on with all of the short term rentals. It's

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Speaker 5: just it's just mind boggling, to be.

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Speaker 1: Honest, it really is.

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Speaker 3: Guys. Take a listen to crime online dot Com Dave Mack.

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Speaker 2: The death toll for the Southern California fires is up

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Speaker 2: to twenty four with dozens more missing. Cadaver dogs are

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Speaker 2: now being brought in to locate human remains, and Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna has warned the death toll

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Speaker 2: will likely continue to rise.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to renowned medical examiner doctor Tyndall Crown's, joining

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Speaker 1: US Chief Medical Examiner Terran County and estamed lecturer at

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Speaker 1: the Brenet School of Medicine at Tea, see you, doctor

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Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns. In cases like this, the cod causes of

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Speaker 1: death can be many, many different things. We could have

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Speaker 1: smoke inhalation. We could have someone dying literally burning to death.

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Speaker 1: We could have a home being destroyed and timber falling

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Speaker 1: most common cood cause of death.

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Speaker 6: Usually it's carbon monoxide in toxicity or inhalation of the fire.

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Speaker 6: The gases produced by the fire produced carbon monoxide, and

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Speaker 6: usually people succumb to the carbon monoxide prior to being burned.

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Speaker 6: But sometimes if the fire is fast enough, what you'll

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Speaker 6: see is a combination of carbon monoxide and thermal burns.

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Speaker 1: When you say thermal burns, what do you mean.

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Speaker 6: When an individual the house catches on fire, They catch

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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to La County Fire Chief Anthony Morony.

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Speaker 7: The Eton fire is now estimated to be fourteen thousand,

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Speaker 7: one hundred and seventeen acres with twenty seven percent containment.

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Speaker 7: We know that over seven thousand structures are damaged or destroyed,

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Speaker 1: That regards the eight in fire. But what about Palisas?

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Speaker 1: Take us to La County Fire Chief Kristin Crowley.

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Speaker 8: Palisades Fire, aaron ground crews work tiresly overnight with favorable

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Speaker 8: wind conditions to prevent further spread into the Mandeville Canyon area.

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Speaker 8: The fire is currently at twenty three thousand, seven hundred

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Speaker 8: and seven acres with four thousand, seven hundred and twenty

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Speaker 8: personnel that are signed. They're still active fires that are

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Speaker 8: burning within the Palisades area, making it extremely extremely dangerous

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Speaker 8: for the public. There's no power, there's no water, there's

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Speaker 8: broken gas lines, and we have unstable structures. Canine search

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Speaker 8: teams have been deployed to assist with our recovery efforts.

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Speaker 1: Again joining me an all star panel. To Courtney Friel,

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Speaker 1: you have discussed the displacement in the evacuation of so

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Speaker 1: many thousands of people. What is the working theory as

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Speaker 1: to how the fires started.

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Speaker 5: I can tell you that I have been on the

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Speaker 5: so that's why the residents are not being allowed back in.

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Speaker 5: But I've also been with people as they've come back

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Speaker 5: to their homes, and none of them who have lost

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Speaker 5: their homes are angry right now. They are grieving. It

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Speaker 5: I know people, I have a friend who actually saved

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Speaker 5: because he feels with the water situation and didn't see

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Speaker 5: any firefighters for twelve hours and tried to get through

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Speaker 5: to nine to one one that there should have been

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Speaker 1: I hear you, Courtney, I hear you, Courtney Freil joining

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Speaker 1: us from KTLA regarding the cause of the fire. What

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Speaker 1: we think tonight. There's so many theories, but what do

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Speaker 10: This Firestone firestorm is the big one in magnitude. Hurricane

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Speaker 10: force winds are usually accompanied by rainstorms, but these are

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Speaker 10: hurricane force winds that are combined with extremely dry drought conditions.

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Speaker 10: To provide context, At ten twenty am yesterday, the Palisades

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Speaker 10: fire was at ten acres. Twelve minutes later, it was

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Speaker 10: at two hundred acres.

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Speaker 7: The cause of the fire is unknown at this time.

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Speaker 11: If it turns out that this was an arson fire,

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Speaker 11: any death that relates from an arson fire is considered

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Speaker 11: a murder, and the LASD investigates those types of crimes.

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Speaker 1: Just what I'm getting at. Dave mac joining me in

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter that has covered numerous fires, including wildfires.

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Speaker 3: Dave Matt.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the cause of the fire they are saying

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Speaker 1: is unknown, but well, you know, listen to this, Dave

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Speaker 1: Matt and Courtney free O.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 11: We need to have a short period where we had

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Speaker 11: a low flow state on a very small amount of

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Speaker 11: our hydrants. We had an extreme amount of draw multiple

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Speaker 11: fire engines, warm water multiped.

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Speaker 12: At the same time, we also did have much loss

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Speaker 12: of power which impacted our pressure.

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Speaker 13: That was first, very temporary.

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Speaker 9: Amount of times that first evening.

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Speaker 1: I hope we have no impacts at this time, really,

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, because that's not what we are hearing on

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Speaker 1: the ground.

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Speaker 3: He just said, and that was Pasadena County.

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Speaker 1: Fire chief, that we did have a loss of power

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Speaker 1: and impacted pressure for a very temporary amount of time

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Speaker 1: the first evening. There are hundreds of reports of the

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Speaker 1: fire hydrants being dry.

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Speaker 3: Dave Matt, what about it?

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Speaker 14: But Nancy is the water and I hate that it's

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Speaker 14: all political, But the water that should be going into

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Speaker 14: the reserves to help in southern California has actually been

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Speaker 14: diverted and is being sent into the ocean in some

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Speaker 14: cases to save some small fish. We have fire hydrants

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Speaker 14: that are actually dry. There is no word. We're not

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Speaker 14: talking no pressure. We're talking dry fire hydrants. Nancy, with

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Speaker 14: fire hydrant, nothing comes out. That's because there's no water

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Speaker 14: for them to get because it's been diverted elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: Dry fire hydrants is joining me. Firefighter Arson expert Nicole

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Speaker 1: brought dry fire hydrants.

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Speaker 3: Nicole, have you ever seen that?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely?

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Speaker 9: We've done that. We've seen that before. The issue in

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Speaker 9: this situation is there's a reservoir. It holds one hundred

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Speaker 9: and seventeen million gallons of water.

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Speaker 1: That reservoir has been out.

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Speaker 9: Of commission due to a tear in the cover that

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Speaker 9: is to protect the water. So because it was out

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Speaker 3: This is why those hold on.

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Speaker 1: Nicole, you are telling me and one of the most

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Speaker 1: arid areas of our country. OK, No, that there are

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Speaker 1: Santa Ana wins, knowing that this is fire season.

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Speaker 3: There was a tear in the cover on one hundred and.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen million gallon reservoir, so we couldn't get at the water.

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Speaker 3: That's a simple yes.

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Speaker 1: No, Nicole's that's correct, afluely correct.

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Speaker 9: It's Clothesbury repairs.

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Speaker 3: Did nobody know about the tear in the cover?

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Speaker 9: Yes, that's why with Clothesbery repairs.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so it was closed because they knew about the

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Speaker 1: tear in the cover but it hadn't been fixed. Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what. There are other allegations as to why there's

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Speaker 1: no water to fight the fires.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Governor, you got a.

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Speaker 9: Second Governor, Gominor, I live here, Governor.

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Speaker 2: Governor Gavin Newsom is forced to answer questions about why

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Speaker 2: he slashed funding for the wildfire and forest resilience by

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Speaker 2: over one hundred million dollars six months before the Palisades

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Speaker 2: fire begins. Cutting the funding of seven programs focused on

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Speaker 2: preventing and battling potential wildfires in the state, coupled with

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Speaker 2: the water system used by the state to fight the

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Speaker 2: wildfires struggled in some places failed under the strain. Rumors

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Speaker 2: what started the southern California fires.

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Speaker 1: Arson at the top of many lists as to why

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Speaker 1: some of these fires have started. There are many other theories,

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Speaker 1: but it's hard to ignore eyewitnesses and confessions. Guys, take

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Speaker 1: a listen to La City Fire Chief Kristin Crowley.

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Speaker 8: That is our job and I tell you that's why

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're hearing the fire chief Coursy have KTTV Fox eleven.

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Speaker 1: There is joining me from la is doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: renounced psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker. You can see her

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. When you hear the budget to fight

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Speaker 15: When I hear that, I think of one of my patients,

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Speaker 1: Play for me the video you were just showing. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Now imagine you standing on the street watching your home burn,

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Speaker 13: Thank you for having me today.

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Speaker 16: Nancy, please describe for those viewers, which I hope is

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Speaker 1: Fire like myself after an arson event. Tell me about

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Speaker 13: You know, Nancy, it came on really really quick. We

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Speaker 3: Alerts really really were Allison. Yes, I cannot imagine.

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Speaker 1: Looking out and seeing flames and knowing I believe right then,

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Speaker 13: Do you know what, Nancy? You go into producer mode.

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Speaker 5: And Nancy, when people hear these stories, this makes them

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Speaker 5: And it's so unfortunate. There is a special place in

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Speaker 1: I've prosecuted a lot of felony cases. One of the

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Speaker 1: hearing a lot about the cause of these fires. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of the drastic slash and the fire budget.

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Speaker 17: Well, you clearly the fire chief put in writing that

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Speaker 17: she felt the budget cuts would affect their ability to

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Speaker 17: prepare and respond to the fires. So, uh, you know

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Speaker 17: what that actual impact is. I think it's something that

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Speaker 17: they'll get to as they as they evaluate it. But

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Speaker 17: in the larger context, fire department budgets have have been,

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Speaker 17: you know, not increased, and the call volume is up

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Speaker 17: and the amount of these large fires is up so

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Speaker 17: much that you know, I think it's very fairer when

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Speaker 17: the fire chief says, we do not have the resources

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Speaker 17: to keep up with the problems that we're faced with.

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Speaker 3: Not all the people there, but some of those guys lit.

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Speaker 9: That fire, and these guys are they're actually the trees

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Speaker 9: caught fire, and then the palms are catching fire.

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Speaker 1: So civilians are now lighting fires.

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Speaker 2: Stanford neuroscientist and podcaster Andrew Huberman claims he saw people

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Speaker 2: starting a fire firsthand in Santa Monica near Crescent Bay Park.

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Speaker 2: New fires broke out in the overnight hours in the

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Speaker 2: Hollywood Hills and Studio City, forcing responders to divide what

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Speaker 2: they had to attack the other fires. Hubermanposted video on

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Speaker 2: x and, writing that people are lighting fires and otherwise

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Speaker 2: non burning urban areas of LA. The posted footage shows

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Speaker 2: a group of men standing around a large fire while

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Speaker 2: a nearby tree is set ablaze. One man is seen

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Speaker 2: filming the incident on his phone, but none of the

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Speaker 2: footage actually shows how the fire started or who did it.

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Speaker 1: You were hearing from the Twitter page at Hebreman Labs

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Speaker 1: joining me Special guests Alison Acton, who had to evacuate

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Speaker 1: and witnessed looters jumping out of their cars, and now

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Speaker 1: joining us. Fire Chief Bill Walker, who fought fires in

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Speaker 1: Santa Monica, the former chief in Santa Monica.

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Speaker 3: Do you hear that? Chief?

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Speaker 1: While the Santa Ana winds are taking their toll, as

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Speaker 1: Courtney Friel told us earlier, making it almost impossible to

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Speaker 1: dump water from above from the sky because the winds

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Speaker 1: would take the water away from the fire. You've got

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Speaker 1: that going on, and now reports of eyewitnesses and even

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Speaker 1: confessions of people starting the Fire's chief.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it's hard to believe, and it makes you stick

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Speaker 17: to your stomach that you hear it and you know

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Speaker 17: seeing the impact. I tell you, for the people that

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Speaker 17: are there on the ground, that are looking people in

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Speaker 17: the eye, the lot, everything they have in their homes,

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Speaker 17: it's there's there's nothing like the reality of that. And

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Speaker 17: I don't understand how anyone could could be doing that.

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Speaker 17: I just I don't understand it, and it's it's it's

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Speaker 17: heartbreaking to see.

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Speaker 1: You know, Chief Walker, not only have you fought many

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Speaker 1: many fires, you've risen to the ranks of chief and

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Speaker 1: multiple jurisdictions, but you have been a witness on the

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Speaker 1: stand under oath. And these arsonists may think it's just

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Speaker 1: sports starting a fire, but people are dead, Chief, and

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Speaker 1: that equals in my mind, felony, murder charges. You start

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Speaker 1: a fire, that's a felony, and the death occurs, you

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Speaker 1: are up the creek without a paddle. And I am

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Speaker 1: not going to be happy until these people, these perps

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Speaker 1: are apprehended and charged to the max.

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Speaker 17: Chief, Well, we need accountability for people's actions, and I

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Speaker 17: think that that is cover covers a lot of things

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Speaker 17: in our world today, and it'd be nice to SE's

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Speaker 17: some accountability for these people.

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Speaker 3: I guess nobody on the panel.

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Speaker 1: Is good to say it, but does that accountability reach

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Speaker 1: to the governor and the mayor and listen, I don't

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Speaker 1: have a political dog in the fight. You can pay

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Speaker 1: me to run for office, to deny funds for firefighters

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Speaker 1: and for water to fight these fires.

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Speaker 3: The mayor off to some joy trip in Ghana.

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Speaker 1: She made a promise, didn't she, This is a yes no,

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Speaker 1: Courtney Friel, that she would not travel out of the country.

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Speaker 3: Didn't she say that?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: It is very bizarre that she left when we were

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Speaker 5: telling everyone for days that this life threatening storm was coming,

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Speaker 5: and yet she still went. But you know what, there's

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Speaker 5: a change dot org petition with I think almost one

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Speaker 5: hundred thousand signatures right now to try to get her

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Speaker 5: to step down. I don't know if you've seen that

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Speaker 5: meme that everyone here in California is posting. It's a

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Speaker 5: picture of Gavin Newsom and Karen Bastani together with a

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Speaker 5: sign that says fire us.

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Speaker 3: So that is one.

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Speaker 5: Percent conversation that is being had here among residents.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Cordney Friel, as you stated at

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Speaker 1: the get go all, that's a political cesspool. There's really

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Speaker 1: no way to put it I'll let the voters of

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Speaker 1: California deal with that. What I know how to do

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Speaker 1: is investigate and try an arson case. Hey, Chief, Chief

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Speaker 1: Bill Walker with us former chief in Santa Monica's bought

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Speaker 1: a lot of fires. Chief, you joined us after Alison

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Speaker 1: Axton told what happened to her. Allison, could you describe

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Speaker 1: for the Chief what you and your family endured? Starting

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Speaker 1: with all your phone blowing up with texts.

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Speaker 13: Sure, I was sitting in the living room with my

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Speaker 13: family and I couldn't figure out what was going on.

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Speaker 13: My phone was blowing up, looked down and saw that

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Speaker 13: there was a fire at the park immediately of both

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Speaker 13: my home.

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Speaker 12: And ran upstairs, looked out the window, saw planed my

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Speaker 12: bedroom window, and I grabbed my husband and said to

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Speaker 12: him quietly, we need to make a plan to get

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Speaker 12: our family out of this house right now. I don't

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Speaker 12: think we have much time, and so we did. We

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Speaker 12: packed up our two kids, three dogs, bearded dragon, and

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Speaker 12: my two disabled elderly parents. We got a few things

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Speaker 12: out and we were amongst the lucky ones. We've experienced

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Speaker 12: so much community, which is something that I want.

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Speaker 13: To really emphasize. There's a lot of great things going

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Speaker 13: on in Los Angeles right now. People coming together, willing

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Speaker 13: to shelter, help out what you need.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of that.

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Speaker 13: But there's the nefarious activity too. There's the guys riding

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Speaker 13: up the scooters on our streets. One of my neighbors

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Speaker 13: had a man confront him who had a gun in

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Speaker 13: his waistband cars with people driving up who don't live

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Speaker 13: on this small dead end street behind it, trying to

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Speaker 13: take advance.

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Speaker 1: I can hardly break in what you're saying, doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 1: who joining us by the way from La Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 1: the trauma of seeing a fire is bad enough. I

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Speaker 1: can still remember every time I went through an arson scene.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. Everything nothing, nothing left, and people did.

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Speaker 1: But doctor Bethany, the added insult of looters showing up

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Speaker 1: looking at fire victims with guns.

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Speaker 3: In their hands.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand the mindset, Doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 15: Nancy, it's almost it's unimaginable. And talk about a term

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Speaker 15: in my field is complex trauma, when one trauma is

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Speaker 15: layered on another and layered on another. Nancy, I think

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Speaker 15: there are many people in our city who are latently homicile,

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Speaker 15: latently arsonists, and latently larcenous. They want to steal, and

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Speaker 15: when a fire is set ablaze, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 15: it brings these criminals out of the woodwork. And when

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Speaker 15: we think of arson, nancy, it's a compulsion people.

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Speaker 3: Men and women.

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Speaker 15: Women do it too, who want to commit arson. They

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Speaker 15: think and think and think about is that they're very sneaky.

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Speaker 15: They try to gain proximity to fires, they try to

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Speaker 15: become firefighters, and once a fire is set, it's very

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Speaker 15: exciting to them, so they'll go out and set more.

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Speaker 15: So our city is at risk from arsonists, it's at

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Speaker 15: risk from looters.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, Bethany, I'm going to go to the chief

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Speaker 1: on what you just said. Chief Walker, former fire chief

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Speaker 1: in Santa Monica. When you hear that that people set

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Speaker 1: these fires out of some sort of excitement, you have

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Speaker 1: pulled the dead bodies out of homes, out of fire scenes.

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Speaker 3: How do you respond to something like that.

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Speaker 17: Well, you know, she's felling the truth. Unfortunately, it really

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Speaker 17: is an illness, a mental illness that people have, and

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Speaker 17: it's terrible and it's been that way for a long time.

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Speaker 17: You're exactly why people try to get into the fire service.

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Speaker 17: They try and get close to it, and we've had

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Speaker 17: some terrible examples of that over the years, and it

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Speaker 17: makes you just feel, if it's even possible, feel worse

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Speaker 17: worse to know that sometimes these people get close to

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Speaker 17: you and they're doing those things.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Gray. Chief Bill Walker, I know

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Speaker 1: you're sitting down right now. You may need to lay

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Speaker 1: down when you hear this.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 4: When I was out there in the Malibu area, I

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Speaker 4: saw a gentleman I looked like a firefighter, and I

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Speaker 4: asked him if he was okay because he was sitting down.

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize we had him in handcuffs.

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Speaker 1: We were turning them over.

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Speaker 4: To lapd because he was dressed like a fireman and

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Speaker 4: he was not. He just got caught burglarizing a home.

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Speaker 4: There were three individuals in a vehicle. They were stopped.

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Speaker 4: They were where they weren't supposed to be. One head on,

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Speaker 4: fire jacket and a fire hat, and he was additionally

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Speaker 4: arrested for impersonating a firefighter. We have people who will

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Speaker 4: go to all ends to be able to do what

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Speaker 4: it is they want to do to exploit the victims

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Speaker 4: of this tragedy.

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Speaker 1: Chief Walker, Looters, criminals wearing fire outfits wearing fire fighter

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Speaker 1: out sins.

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Speaker 3: Can you believe that? I feel sick?

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Speaker 17: Well? I mean, these folks are there. I don't like

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Speaker 17: the term, but they're somewhat sophisticated in their pros. Sometimes

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Speaker 17: it's to organize. It's thoughtful, and they go out there

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Speaker 17: to do bad things. And I wasn't senta monoicaly at

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Speaker 17: civil unrest and that was well coordinated and planned and

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Speaker 17: it was terrible. And it's just mind blowing to see

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Speaker 17: people that.

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Speaker 3: That's what they do.

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Speaker 17: And you know, for people don't think that way. It's

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Speaker 17: really hard for me and for most people like you.

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Speaker 17: That's a wrapper heads around it, but it's it's out there,

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Speaker 17: and it's it seems to becoming more and more prevalent.

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Speaker 1: Imagine the panic of being trapped in a room in

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Speaker 1: a home that's getting smokier and smokier and you can

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Speaker 1: feel and hear the blaze closing in and there's no

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Speaker 1: way out, the fires, raging looters closing in, Politicians blaming

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Speaker 1: each other and pointing the fingers.

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Speaker 3: What good is that? Guys?

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Speaker 1: I want to go to doctor Kendall Crowns, joining US

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Speaker 1: renowned chief medical Examiner, Doctor Kendall's crowns. What is it

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Speaker 1: like to die of smoke inhalation? Granted, I mean I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Is it worse to die of smoke inhalation

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Speaker 1: or to actually burn alive? I don't know, But the

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Speaker 1: smoke inhalation, my experience, seems to be a larger cod

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Speaker 1: cause of death when fires occur. What is that like?

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Speaker 6: So, when the black smoke is filling your home, it's

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Speaker 6: very high. You're having to breathe it in because the

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Speaker 6: oxygen is disappearing, basically being replaced by this black smoke.

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Speaker 6: It's hot, It burns your throat, it burns your eyes.

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Speaker 6: You're of course experienced in the heat. As you get

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Speaker 6: more and more carbon monoxide coming in, you become more

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Speaker 6: and more confused. You begin getting severe headaches, you start

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Speaker 6: vomiting profusely, and then eventually you'll pass out.

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Speaker 3: Now, of course, if the.

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Speaker 6: Fire is also coming in at the same time, that

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Speaker 6: will burn and that causes extreme pain as well. On

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Speaker 6: top of the smoke inhlations.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking what these victims have lived through. I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking of the victims that didn't live their families to

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Speaker 1: Nicole brought joining US firefighter Arson expert. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: had to retrieve a dead body out of a fire scene.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, I've done that several times and it's probably one

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Speaker 9: of the most gruesome sites you've ever seen. It's very disheartening.

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Speaker 9: It's a very hard thing to do, especially when you

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Speaker 9: have family members standing around. Those people have family and

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Speaker 9: it's a very disheartening situation. Very hard, very hard for

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Speaker 9: us as firefighters because we see those members and we

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Speaker 9: it does leave a lasting impression on us equally.

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Speaker 1: And Nicole Brock, what is your message to your fellow

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Speaker 9: Stay strong. This is a brutal situation that you're up against.

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Speaker 9: It's one that's going to leave a lasting impression. I've

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Speaker 9: been so impressed with how LA Fire Department handle their employees,

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Speaker 9: their members.

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Speaker 1: I look to you all all the time.

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Speaker 9: I always use LA Fire Department as a reference guide

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Speaker 9: because your fire chief, your fire administration does such a

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Speaker 9: great job with assisting you all on mental health side,

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Speaker 9: on just supporting you as a department. They value you.

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Speaker 9: I know that you're up against a long, hard climb,

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Speaker 9: and all I say to you tonight is to stay resilient,

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Speaker 9: Stay brave, continue to do the work that you signed

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Speaker 9: up for in everyone. Everyone has so much respect for

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Speaker 9: what you're doing. I pray for you each night. We

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Speaker 9: all pray for you each night, each day, each moment.

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Speaker 9: Continue Please to stay resilient.

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Speaker 1: If you can give to help the victims of the

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Speaker 1: California wildfires, here is a way to do it. Dial

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Speaker 1: the Red Cross eight hundred six seven five five seven

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Speaker 1: ninety nine, repeat eight hundred six seven five five seven

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Speaker 1: nine nine.

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Speaker 1: You m as a Methodist co R providing immediate relief

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Speaker 1: like food, essential supplies, and support for volunteer efforts. Tonight,

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Speaker 1: re remember and pray for American heroes, the California fire fighters,

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Speaker 1: who have given and are giving. They're all to fight

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Speaker 1: the fires and to save lives. Nancy Gray signing off,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,