1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: I listened to the black guy who tips podcasts because 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Rod and Karen A Hot. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: As US attorney for the District of Columbia, Rough, who 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: would go on to serve as as White House counselor 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: under President Bill Clinton, argued that mandatory sentences would clog 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: the system and impose unjust penalties on defendants who deserve leniency. 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: Picture the case of your mother or sister who is 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: charged with an offense. Ruff said to the council, don't 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: you want the prosecutor to have the discretion to say 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: your sister is a special person and hers is a 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: one time offense. The rhetorical question infuriated Ray, who in 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: response called it hogwash. For Ray, prosecutorial discretion was the 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: cause of injustice, not the solution to it. Too often, 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: he said, with those with means or connections got a break, 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: while those who are poor, those who are black, are 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: the ones who end up with the tough sentences. Rough 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: in turn, forcefully rejected Ray's claim. I think there is 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: no evidence, none, that there is any discrimination in sentences 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: seen between the black man and the white man. This 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: remarkable standoff does not fit our standard narrative about the 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 2: politics of punishment. Here in nineteen eighty one, and three 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: years before the federal government would pass its on set 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: its own set of mandamentimals, we find John Ray, a 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: black politician born under Jim Crow, demanding mandatory sentences on 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: the grounds that they would be fairer to blacks and 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: facing stern opposition from a white federal prosecutor. Rough's opposition 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: and the fact that the Department of Justice allowed him 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 2: to testify against the proposal highlights the extent to which 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: Ray and Jefferson were on the forefront of a revolution 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: in American criminal justice. Hey, welcome to the Black Autels podcast. 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: Your host Rod and kar and we are live on Saturday. 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: Ready to do feedback. You can find us on iTunes, 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: stitch a Potomatic. 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Make sure they're two minutes or less. 44 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: You will get cut off. And today's excerpt is from 45 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: Locking Up Our Own, which is by I believe it's Abe. 46 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: I always fuck this guy's up, I name up, but 47 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: I believe it's eight Foreman. Yeah, James Foreman. I always 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: say Abe, James Foreman Junior. I believe so yeah. That 49 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: that was an excerpt from that book. 50 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: And what's interesting. 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: About that book that I really love and I wish 52 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: I think more people who talk about mandatory sentence, saying 53 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: mass incarceration and race should read this book because we 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: have a lot of misinformation and a lot of misconceptions 55 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: about what actually happened in that age of from around 56 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: the late from the late seventies, from like the Heroin 57 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: epidemic all the way through the gang violence of the nineties, 58 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot of misconception about things and how they 59 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: played out and in the. 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: Way it's really. 61 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: It's really messed up the way that we analyze politics, 62 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: especially at least what I see online. There's just not 63 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: a serious discussion of because if you understand the holistic approach, 64 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: then I think you would be less. It's less about 65 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: demagogueing one type of person or one person or one 66 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: set of people or whatever, and it's more about how 67 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: to the community. A black community get so desperate that 68 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: we were arguing against white people who were saying, hey, 69 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: if you do this, if we pass these sentences, it's 70 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: just gonna be racist towards black people, and black people 71 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: were the ones going, no, fuck you, you're being racist. 72 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: Just do what I say. And then when we got 73 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: what we said we wanted. 74 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: Generation later you have the results of that, and you 75 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: have people going, oh, see, white people did this to us. 76 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: And I think if you don't, you can't fix a 77 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: problem unless you're gonna be honest about the problem and 78 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: study the whole problem. It's the reason that I've never 79 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: taken into the super predator argument. 80 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: Thing for Hillary Clinton. 81 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: I think it's out of context, is really really short sighted, 82 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: and really fucked up what people did with that. Even 83 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's crime bill. There's a reason Joe Biden's still 84 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: popular and getting all this percentage of the black vote 85 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: in these polls that you can choose to believe or not. 86 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: But I know black people that don't have a problem 87 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: with Joe Biden. They don't care about the crime and 88 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: you would think, well, how's that possible. Is because they're 89 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: old enough to remember being like, we want this crime bill, 90 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: and white politicians who didn't want to do it essentially 91 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: going Okay, if this is what the black community wants, 92 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: we're going. 93 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: To do it. 94 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: And even in this case, it was a US Attorney 95 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: Rough who goes on to serve as a White House 96 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: Council under President Bill Clinton. That's the person who passed 97 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: this crime bill. Right, well, Ruff is arguing against a 98 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: black man like, no, this is mandatory minimums, are gonna 99 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 2: funck shit up. And then essentially this black man wins 100 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 2: the discussion because it passes in DC first and then later, 101 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: you know, nationally and federally. So you know, I just 102 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: think people need a more holistic understanding of things and 103 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: then they'll see it's less about who we can blame 104 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: and more about how do you fix a problem. Because 105 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: the saddest thing that pop people have not realized is 106 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: that a lot of these politicians that were blaming for 107 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: mass incarceration are literally people They really only got in 108 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: trouble and involved because they were listening to the black 109 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: community not the opposite. 110 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: Well, there wasn't. They just said fuck it, lock black 111 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: people up. 112 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: They were literally saying, like, okay, so the community, all 113 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: the leaders in this community, the activist in this community, 114 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: y'all want stricter restrict y'all want stricter laws. Y'all want 115 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: longer sentences on black This will affect black people. And 116 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: the concept of the time, I'm not even blaming black people. 117 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: The idea at the time was we are so ravaged 118 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: by drugs and violence and gangs and stuff. If we 119 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: can get that small group of people out of the community, 120 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: or at least within someplace where they can go be 121 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 2: rehabilitated or off drugs or whatever. If we can do that, 122 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: then the rest of us will flourish because it's these 123 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 2: people who are holding us back. Now, I'm not saying 124 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: that's a good mentality, but that was the truth. And 125 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: a large part of that was that, well, the criminal 126 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: justice system in America is not really a place for 127 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: rehabilitation in the first place, so you're not rehabilitating these people, 128 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: and then secondly not you know, once you start turning 129 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: it into a money thing, the capitalistic system of America 130 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: takes over. It's not and now it's about numbers. How 131 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: do we keep so many people in? How do we 132 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 2: cut the cost on this? And things that rehabilitate people 133 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: cost a lot of money, so you're not gonna get that. 134 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: So I just think people should revisit that. 135 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: And you have to do things on text and context 136 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: doesn't mean anything with media. You know, when people do 137 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: things and say things, regardless of if it's right or 138 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: wrong or anything like that, you still need to understand 139 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: what was happening at that time. Why would they say 140 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: those things those at that particular time, Like you said, 141 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: what people wanted, like you know, those things actually matter, 142 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: But in the age of snippets and clips, nobody gives 143 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: a fuck about what was happening at that time. 144 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 4: Everybody just goes, well. 145 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: You said it, Okay, yes I did say it, But 146 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: I didn't say this just in a bubble. 147 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: You know. 148 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: I said it because the things would happen at the time. 149 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: Because the world changes, people change, people's philosophies change. 150 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: Like you said, the. 151 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: End result is what it is, but at that time 152 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: they didn't know that that was going to be in 153 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: the result, even though people warned them. So so that's 154 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: the thing about it. 155 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: In some cases, they were the ones warning us. You 156 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: had white people saying, no, this is rough's not alone. 157 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: There's more than one white person in that book. That 158 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: was like telling black people, I know you're a black leader, 159 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: I respect that, but I'm telling you this is bad. 160 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: If you start locking people up for marijuana possession. We 161 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: know that black people don't have the resources to fight 162 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 2: these these convictions. They're gonna go to jail. And the 163 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: black people would be like, you're racist. You're being fucking 164 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: racist because you're saying that we can't stop doing drugs. 165 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: You're saying, you're saying, you're knowing that that that white 166 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: people get off on this crime more than others, and 167 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: this will force the government to put the white people 168 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: in jail and shit. 169 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: And it's like, no, it doesn't. You know, white supremacy 170 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: will find a way. Yes. 171 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 4: And my thing is when I was saying that people 172 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 4: argue and now. 173 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: It's immaverse because that's the thing white people was, and 174 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: that's the thing a lot of times a group want 175 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: something and somebody who is arguing against them for the 176 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: for the better interest, and they'll say, no, this is 177 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: what we want, and it's vice versa. Now people are 178 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: arguing the other way around, and people and white people 179 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: are like, I don't give a fuck, and that's what 180 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: people that's what literally what black people said, I don't 181 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: you literally without knowing it subconsciously used the result was 182 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: that I didn't I don't care about the end results 183 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 3: because people probably came with stats and statistics and was like, hey, y'all, 184 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: this is not what you really want. 185 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: Well, it was also a lot of theory work at 186 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: the time, and this is what a lot of policy 187 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: stuff is that people. You know, It's why you know, 188 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: sometimes I can, I know, I can be a little 189 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: too sarcastic for people, or they might get a little 190 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 2: they might bristle with some of my jokes. But it's 191 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 2: why it makes so much fun of certain topics because 192 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: it's like, it's such theory work that I my pragmatic 193 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: mind is like, that's not how it's gonna go, even 194 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: in like even if you know, it's like when people 195 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: when people talk about, well, we're gonna just switch over 196 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: the country to socialism and like, but it's not, you know, 197 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen. And if it did happen, you know, 198 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: white people are still gonna be racist. So it ain't 199 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: gonna trickle all the way down to us, no matter 200 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: how you try to put it, like the big enemy 201 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: in the room, is still a lot of this prejudice 202 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: that exists. Whether you call it one thing or you 203 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: call it another. You know, fairness is gonna be left 204 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: up to these individual people. 205 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: I know. 206 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: People don't like when I compare big systems to small people, 207 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: but you know, macro versus micro But honestly, micro people 208 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: are fucking greedy, yes they are. And so then you know, 209 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: all of us want to have our knees met. We 210 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: all want to live in abundance. We all want all 211 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: our you know, no worries about money and income and shit. 212 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: And then at the same time, we want the government 213 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: or the powers that be or the billionaires or whoever 214 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: to you know, distribute everything evenly amongst everybody. 215 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's not gonna happen. 216 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: And you know, to a certain extent, we're all indoctrinated 217 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: and this shit, because I know there's times where I'm like, nah, 218 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: I put in more work on this, I deserve more. 219 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: And that's a small thing. 220 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: But everything else is built on a bigger scale, right 221 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: builds out the last thing I'll say too, is that 222 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: our current climate of find the thing this person did 223 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: years ago, keep all the blame and anger on them 224 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 2: is like a Twitter thing, Like we do it with 225 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: like fifteen year olds who said something stupid and we 226 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: found their old you know, geocites page or whatever. Right, Okay, 227 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: there's there's this this way of making everything this individual 228 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: decision and. 229 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: That was the bad. You're the racist, that's the now 230 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: that'll fix the problem. 231 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: We call out every single individual who's ever been racist, 232 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: and then racism will stop because we're mocking these racists. 233 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: And it's like, but it hasn't worked, and it's not 234 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: going to work. Like systems versus people is kind of 235 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of hard to fix it from 236 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 2: an individual level. 237 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: Okay, greed. Cool. 238 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: We do that with politicians a lot. We like to 239 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: individualize their decisions as if they were made in a vacuum, 240 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: as if there weren't constituents they were trying to please, 241 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: as if there wasn't communities who had input into these 242 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: people's policies, as if people didn't vote for them for 243 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: these policies. And you know, we watch it happen with 244 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: different politicians, especially on the left. We watch it happen, 245 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: and it's so destructive. It's so kind of productive because 246 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: it's teaching people this ahistorical, non contextualized version of history 247 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: that everybody's Emperor Palpatine and star Wars and they're just 248 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: fucking you know. 249 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: More ha haha. I'm evil And it's not what's happening. 250 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 2: And if we don't examine why constituencies wanted the things 251 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 2: that have happened, and also why those things did not 252 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: turn out to be something they should have wanted or 253 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: had negative impact, I feel like you're just gonna keep 254 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: repeating these mistakes. And I think it also makes people 255 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: extremely gullible. 256 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: You know. 257 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: So when you see somebody like pull up Kamala Harris's 258 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: prosecutorial record out of context, out of the time and go, well, 259 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: this is not up to twenty twenty standards, even though 260 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: these decisions happen in nineteen eighty nine, there's a like 261 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: there should be some closer examination abou why you know, 262 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: and how did people feel about these decisions, how to 263 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: her community? 264 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: How does she keep getting reelected? 265 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: Like there's things to this, And I worry about it 266 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 2: because going forward, it's gonna happen to Kim Fox. It's 267 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: gonna happen to Maryland Moseby, It's gonna happen to AOC, 268 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: It's gonna happen to all these politicians you keep watching 269 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: it happens, and it's so counter productive and it's and 270 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 2: it's given us the opposite of results that people want 271 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: because the stay you just hear about a bunch of 272 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: people that aren't good enough, and no is ever gonna 273 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 2: get out their house and go vote for these people 274 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: if we. 275 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: Will rode all the good will towards him. 276 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 2: And in this case, this is examining that thorough history 277 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: of like, hey, these people in our community wanted these 278 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: things that we wanted to lock up our own people. 279 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: Why and how do we stop that cycle? Because you 280 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: can't just say it's Hillary Clinton's fault. No, is Hillary 281 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: Clinton fault for listening to our church leaders? Is Hillary 282 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: Clinton fat for listening to our other politicians? Hillary Clinton 283 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: fault for listening to our activists? You know we have 284 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: activists now. They want everybody out of jail at the time. 285 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: They want the people in jail like this, like every 286 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: and no one's going back and examining their own complicity 287 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: in it. And I think that's why we're doomed. We're 288 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: gonna repeat this cycle soon. 289 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, we are. 290 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: We are, because that's why it's designed, and you're gonna 291 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: keep getting the same results. And it's not gonna make 292 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: any sense. And it disenfranchises people. It tires people out, 293 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: It makes people tap out, and makes people not. 294 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 4: Give a fuck about the political the political system at all. 295 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 4: It makes people go, what the fuck, What the fuck 296 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 4: am I gonna vote for? Nobody's ever good enough? 297 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: Like like like it literally makes people lose hope, like 298 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: like with then why am I even going to contribute 299 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 3: when everybody sounds like the world's just gonna come to 300 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: an end tomorrow, so you know, and that shit is 301 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: real too, you know. And so the thing is nobody's perfect, 302 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: and everybody knows nobody's perfect, and everybody says nobody's perfect. 303 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: But everybody tears everybody down online. But then that's the thing. 304 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: Everybody tells me who they're not gonna vote for, Tell 305 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: me the fuck you are gonna vote for? 306 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: Who are you going to even? 307 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: And that's the thing, even now, what I'm saying in 308 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty nineteen, it's kind of weird, like I'm seeing 309 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: actual like individual Twitter people endorse candidates like they're not 310 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: they're not celebrities. But it's funny because for three years ago, 311 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: I watched those same people laugh at celebrity endorsements for 312 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: for Hillary and shit like, who gives a fuck? You 313 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: know what a celebrity thinks? Well you must think you 314 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: you some cych of celebrity. I have some impact? 315 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: Is now or else? 316 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: You realize the power in that three years and said 317 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna use my platform instead of being snarky and 318 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: getting the race and start like endorsing people and spreading 319 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: word for their platforms. I'm seeing people do that and 320 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm not mocking them for it. I'm actually glad same 321 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: like that's progress to me. A lot of people thought 322 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: it was cool to sit shit out. They'll never admit why, 323 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: but I do personally believe a lot of people thought 324 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: Barack Obama was such an excellent president, and even those 325 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: who did nothing but deride him. It's like how people 326 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: talk bad about Lebron James, Like you talk bad about 327 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: him because you expect him to be excellent, and you 328 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: expect them to always be something. You can say that 329 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: he was short of winning the championship, that he missed 330 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: the shot or he made this wrong pass. So you 331 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: just take his excellence for granted, because that's what we're 332 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: getting used to the new standard, and we're shitting on 333 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: the new standard. 334 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: Right, he ain't no Jordan or whatever. Right? Cool? 335 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: Well, they thought that the baton he was doing so well, 336 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: the baton would just be handed off to Hillary Clinton. 337 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: It would be a coordination. 338 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: People make it seem like that's what Hillary thought, but 339 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: she had every right to think it, and so did 340 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: all the people that were talking about her, and so 341 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: did all the people who were supporting her, and so 342 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: did the Republicans. Everybody thought she was gonna win. Every 343 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: poll said she was gonna win. Everyone thought she was 344 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: gonna win. And so once you have that, people play contrarian, 345 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: and I think you had this type of response, and 346 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: then in twenty nineteen people are now like, oh, we 347 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: were not as safe as I thought, and I've watched 348 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 2: these rights of people get eroded, just like people warned 349 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: me about, people that said, hey, you can't just be 350 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 2: walking around promoting apathy and telling people to sit this 351 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: one out and not vote right and then turn around 352 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: telling me you how much you care about people and 353 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 2: care about different causes because they're gonna lose those people. 354 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 2: And now, even if you thought Barack Obama wasn't doing 355 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: a good job on certain topics, you cannot make an 356 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: argument that Trump is doing a better job. He's doing worse. 357 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: And if sometimes in some places he's doing downright evil 358 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: and gleefully, you know, like you know, separating children from 359 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: their families at the border, you know, passing the law 360 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: against trans people in the military, obviously, trying to get 361 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: abortion rights repealed. Like you're talking about a man who 362 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: takes pride in this immigration kicking people out, anti anti 363 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: Muslim stuff like this is a dude. 364 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: So you took people, took shit. 365 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 2: For granted, and then, like most Americans, they got lazy 366 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: and they needed a wake up calling. 367 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: This was their wake up calling. 368 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: So anyway, it's funny to see people now endorsing candidates 369 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: like they went full circle one to I refuse to 370 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: acknowledge the obvious choice should be Hillary Clinton. 371 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: To well, now I'm wanna. 372 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: Go to endorse one of these twenty motherfuckers that's running 373 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: right now, and it's been interesting to watch it, but 374 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 2: I'm actually glad that they're in the game as opposed 375 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 2: to sitting on the sideline like they did twenty sixteen, 376 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: or even worse, even worse, some of them didn't even 377 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: sit on the sideline. They made it seem like they 378 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 2: were sitting on the sideline, and then they went out 379 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: and voted. 380 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 4: Yes they did. 381 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 2: So then for like the Twitter or the Twitter pats 382 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 2: on the back, you go, I'm so apathetic. I have 383 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: black people should not do ship, nobody should care, you know, 384 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: Bernie your bus, all these types of things. And then 385 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: when the ship hit the fan, you know, it was like, well, 386 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: I went out and voted, so I don't know, don't 387 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: be blamed meat like nah, people using their platform more 388 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: wisely this time, and I'm actually here for it. So 389 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: uh anyway, this is black Out Tips, guys is getting 390 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: into your feedback. 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Thank you very much. 425 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: Tanya as thank you as well. 426 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: And that is everybody shout out to my phone for 427 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: being a real. 428 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: M v P. 429 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 6: Yes, today's ad tell mees. 430 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: My mister Brewham is all right as my power that I. 431 00:21:52,640 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: Cast flacking like up from our and. 432 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: I smile even though it hurts me. 433 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 5: Smile. 434 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 2: I know God is working, so I smile even though 435 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: I'm for a while, I smile, smile. 436 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: It's so fun to look up when you usually down. 437 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 4: I sure would hate to see you give up. 438 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: Now. 439 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 6: You have so much better when you smile. 440 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: For me, and you just smile for me. Whatever you're 441 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: gonna do right now, smile. 442 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 7: Follow me? 443 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: All right? 444 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: All right, let's get into these five star reviews. We 445 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: got quite so few. Yay, that's right, we got some 446 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: on iTunes. Let's see how we got one of the 447 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: first one. I'm gonna go fifty five stars. I'm dying 448 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: playing with Rod today. He done all lives matter at 449 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 2: the show that white woman of colors out of control 450 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: three laughing emoj just stop him caring, stop him U. 451 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: Kenny Jacks from Necatagh, Thank you, Thank you, appreciate Kenny 452 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: Jacks love I love, love love this podcast. It's my 453 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: favorite podcast over pod Save America, NPR. Karen and her 454 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: sidekick Rod have awesome segments like my New Faith Read 455 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: a Rainbow, Hey. 456 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: New Faith. 457 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: The milange of politics, humor, family and blackness makes me 458 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: tune in every week, including behind the paywall. They are 459 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: the hardest work a couple of podcasting, and the warmth 460 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 2: and community around them reveals the quality of their work. 461 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: Their guests are incredible as well, and have clued me 462 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: into so many other great podcasts. I love them and 463 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: will always support them. 464 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: And their work. 465 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. 466 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: Okay, come through with these praises. Okay, I need to 467 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: hear this one of my favor favorite podcasts. Firestars by 468 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: Mac Dolphin. I'm sorry last one was from Ogun the Hunters. Okay, 469 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 2: so Mac Dolphin says, I love guest the racing. 470 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: Fucking with black people. You two are a great duo. 471 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. 472 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: Listening for Life says five Stars. Happy Holidays Karen and 473 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: rod Hard emoji. I love you both so much and 474 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 2: have been a listener for years. This is one of 475 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: my first podcasts that I fell in love with. This 476 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: show keeps me informed up to date on news across 477 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: the nation. Thank you for all the hard work you 478 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: do in the last each week. Happy New Year, Thank you. 479 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 4: Amber En, thank you. 480 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: Five stars. 481 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: Another five stars. This is from Amen Amore Noir, who. 482 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: Says a completely petti zone. 483 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: Five stars. I'm going to yell into this mall. This 484 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna yell in this mall. This episode is just comedy. 485 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: Five out of five stars all the time. If y'all 486 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: want to roll on the floor laughing at public, then 487 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: this podcast for you. When Rod went from dropping your 488 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: kid on the side of the motherfucking holloway a highway 489 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 2: too but I cannot judge had me almost crying in 490 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: the food court. The lens of mental gymnastics people try 491 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: to do in order to pretend to they are seeing 492 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 2: all sides of some pseudo spiritual bs is annoying because 493 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: they are too scared to say you hurt my feelings, 494 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: which is okay, but don't try to be the wokes 495 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: Mick Wokington's while doing it. 496 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: Anyway, this podcast. 497 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: Is great and they actually read the reviews to give 498 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 2: everyone a voice and will make changes to the show 499 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 2: to give it a trial. 500 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: And what changes it quotes because yes, it was petty, 501 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: thank you, It's funny. 502 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: I read that review and was like, I'm gonna make 503 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: a whole show like this just to show people that 504 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: this shit is exhausting and stupid in a waste of time, 505 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: and nobody would listen to it. Five stars. I'm a 506 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 2: new This is from Marge in Charge. I'm a new listener, 507 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: and both hosts are so entertainer. But Karen's energy is infectious. 508 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: I feel like she hypes everyone up around her, and 509 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: I want to. 510 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: Be more like that she does. 511 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: You should see it when we go out out the 512 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: love can. 513 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 4: I hug you? 514 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: They be about it, Yeah, the way that she get 515 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: caring a hug every time we go out, and I 516 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 2: just get like the head nods. 517 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: You know, I'm like, okay, you must say I can't 518 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 4: get real life. 519 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: I know. It's so funny. 520 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 3: Roger go out without me to some of the places 521 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 3: we are frequently. 522 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 4: They on even ask about how he doing that? But 523 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 4: why your wife? 524 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 525 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 2: It's funny, man, because I always tell people like, contrary 526 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: probably belief, I'm the petty ditch in the relationship. 527 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: Y'all should probably Yeah, I do. 528 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 4: Let a lot of stuff go. 529 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: Everybody be like, you know, let uh y'all. You know, 530 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: everybody be like, don't talk about Karen. I'm always like, y'all, 531 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 2: really shouldn't talk about me either, because I'm petty. 532 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: I try not to be, but it happens and then 533 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: I can't control it. 534 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: I normally regret it later, but if I can figure 535 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 2: a joke out of it, I'm gonna be petty impactful 536 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: five stars. You two have really impacted me over the 537 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 2: last couple of years. It's from blackness and tech. 538 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: Love what you're doing. You've helped me. 539 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: You've helped my mental health and ways I can explain 540 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 2: the thoughtfulness of this podcast rubs off on me and 541 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: has definitely helped me become a better human being. Best 542 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: black podcast in history. Wish you both the best happy holidays. 543 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, and then like the strong arm mogive black 544 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: power motive and the black heart emoji, thank you. You know, 545 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate that we set out to make a good 546 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 2: podcast and it's definitely black, so we wanted the best. 547 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: If we're the best in the black history, I feel like, 548 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: you know, that's a hell of a feat, ain't it. 549 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: Though? 550 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: Maybe that teach us in these black history classes. It's 551 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 2: a long time from now. We did get one five 552 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 2: star review on iTunes for four movie reviews. Yeah yeah, 553 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: finishing twenty nineteen strong. Hello Rod and Caring, Happy holidays, 554 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 2: see you and crew. It's time for my quarterly review. 555 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 2: I figured I had better get on it before Karen 556 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 2: drops an audible smoke. And I made it through the 557 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: and I don't want any trouble a big rant down below. 558 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: Now that that's out the way, Thank you, guys for 559 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: another year great content. 560 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: Episode twenty ten, Cold World. 561 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: I listen to you guys explain how voter suppression is 562 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: still happening across parts of the US. It's crazy between 563 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 2: the youth flexing online with customers' money. Don't worry if 564 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 2: it's FDI In short, Ah, the sword ratchetness involving a 565 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 2: builder and Dinner Ladies was out of the fuck? Wait 566 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 2: was out? Was out out this world? Okay, got it? 567 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: TYPEO it was out this world. Thank you for expressing 568 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: that no one knows what to do when a random 569 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 2: act of violence occurs. Case in point, my cousin lost 570 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: her husband due to a domestic attack with his friends 571 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: and the guy's girlfriend. Between his friend and the guy's girlfriend. 572 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: Wow. 573 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: He tried to de escalate with words, but the guy 574 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: took offense and stabbed him. Both guys are barely over 575 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 2: twenty five years old. Tragic part. My cousin was left 576 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: to Ray's three young children, untend and under. Luckily, with 577 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 2: help a family, all of them are productive young adults. 578 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I really don't know. 579 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: Man, Like I think, we get online and bind the 580 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: safety of our phones. We talk a big game, but man, 581 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: you really don't fucking know what what you're gonna do, 582 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. 583 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 3: Right, And most people aren't gonna jump in, or they're 584 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: gonna grab their phones, or they're gonna walk away. The 585 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: average person, when the rubberhas hissed the road, are not 586 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: willing to risk their life for anybody else. The average person, 587 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: no matter how big and bold, no matter. 588 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: If you think you will, it's differtween. I think I will. 589 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 3: And something actually happened because I think about the incident 590 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 3: happened in Seattle with those. 591 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 4: Muslim girls and them dudes that died. 592 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: There was more than just them on that train, but 593 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 3: those two men happen to be the two men that. 594 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: Got right to go forward. 595 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: And the worst part to me was the reaction online 596 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: where people being like, I don't know why people are 597 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: applying those men that died. That's what people a supposed 598 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: to do blah blah, and I was like, I honestly 599 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: was like, y'all are so woke that you're fucking stupid right, Like, 600 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: like you're callous pieces of shit for saying that, because 601 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: you know that these people gave their lives, whether they 602 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: knew it was a possibility, they did. And when people 603 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: sit there and stand there, all you do is, you know, 604 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 2: deride them and shit. But then when these girls were alive, 605 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: and these girls were saying like, we're thankful those men 606 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: saved our lives. And then you go online and you 607 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: have people literally being like it's not a big deal 608 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: that those men died for these girls, and or you know, like, 609 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't know why, you know why we always try 610 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: to act like they deserve a cookie. I'm like, well, nigga, 611 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: if you die, maybe you deserve a god them oreo. 612 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we can give this guy cookie. Maybe they 613 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: can come to the posthumous heavenly cookout. Okay, maybe at 614 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: some point you have to stop performing blackness in a 615 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: way that is not true to what blackness is in 616 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: life like this, noble white people are coming to the cookout. 617 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: Ass Fake blackness is so whack to me because it's 618 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: like it's not true, and if you live, I'd rather 619 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: deal with the truth than the bullshit. And I think 620 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: that that was a prime exact sample of what we 621 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: call allies and people that really you know, was dedicated 622 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: to to to protecting these these young women. I think 623 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: I don't remember if they were both black or if 624 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 2: it was like one was black and one was but whatever, 625 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: protecting these young women and being like, nah, you're not 626 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,479 Speaker 2: gonna do this shit and literally gave their lives up 627 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: for it. And like I said, you still saw some 628 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: of the response was like no big deal, and I'm like, 629 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 2: nobody knows, nobody knows what it's gonna do. Just hope 630 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 2: that you never have to be in that situation because 631 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: you don't know if it's gonna be you or not. 632 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: Right, We got some five star reviews on Stitcher as well. 633 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: I believe we got two of them. 634 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: John b Nine says, girl, listen something right. Not just kidding, 635 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: but johnby nine is his name. Very insightful, always relevant, 636 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: always funny. I have been listening to almost every episode 637 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: for many years at this point. Ryder cair have really 638 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: shaped how I see the world. They approach the world 639 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: with both patience and critical thinking. I think ROI has 640 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: the best judgment of any commentator I'm aware of, but 641 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: I can also tell that a lot of it comes 642 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: from his connection to Karen. Also, in the last year, 643 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: I have never laughed harder than what Karen said a 644 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: certain person was having a hard time. I'm still laughing. 645 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: They're the best. 646 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, and that's a hell of a compliment. 647 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Man. Sometimes I feel like. 648 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: When I talk about this stuff, you know, And I 649 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: think it's just because of my brain and the way 650 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: I process shit, I always feel like I'm letting people 651 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: down because I'm not jumping to normally to extremes, you know. 652 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: And I you know, I try my best not to 653 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: be too harsh and too judgmental, but I mean, I'm 654 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: a human. I you know, some shit, I just you know, 655 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be able to see both sides on it. 656 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: And also I just try to be focused on the 657 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: bigger picture now because I think we have enough content 658 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: telling us jump to every conclusion, make every rational decision, 659 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: be as harsh or as or as praiseworthy, you know, 660 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: like be like be a stand be a hater. Like 661 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: I think too much shit out there is like that, 662 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: you know, and while I do, you know, have my fun. 663 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: I enjoy people, I enjoy going up for stuff. I'm 664 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: trying to just be a lot more cognizant of just 665 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: like the things I'm absorbing and what it's the messages 666 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: I'm receiving, and what it's trying to get me to do, 667 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: what actions they want me to take. 668 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, And also I think because of the way your 669 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: mind take that's why certain people are drawn to you, 670 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 3: especially intellectuals or people that are like really want to 671 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 3: kind of challenge themselves. 672 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 4: They actually are. 673 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 3: Drawne to you because they want to see what you 674 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: think or how you process it, how you how you 675 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 3: filter things, and you know, and we balance each other 676 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: out because there are things where it's. 677 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 4: Came up and you've talked to me about it. 678 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I might be too harsh on this, 679 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: you know, I might need to extend that that that 680 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 3: that compassion in these certain situations. 681 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 4: And you know, it's it's. 682 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 3: It's a it's a balancing act not to always respond 683 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 3: on your first instinct because a lot of times, what 684 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: I've realized, particularly the older I get a lot of 685 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 3: times your first response ain't the best. 686 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 4: It's not filtered, it's not thought out. It's based on 687 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 4: pure and raw emotions. 688 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: And there's nothing wrong with emotions, and emotions can can 689 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: help dictate a decision, but everything you do shouldn't be 690 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 3: dictated on that initial emotional reaction. 691 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 4: It's not healthy and it's not safe. 692 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. 693 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: This year particularly, I set out on the podcast and 694 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 2: Just Life with the idea that I'm going to lean 695 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 2: more into just who I am and how I feel, 696 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 2: because sometimes I was making too much space for other 697 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 2: people and I was being surrounded by too many people's 698 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: takes on shit. 699 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: That were They made it feel like that was reality. 700 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying those people are wrong or bad whatever, 701 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: but it's just I as an impath, I don't need 702 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: to be absorbing every fucking thing. And sometimes you know 703 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: they would have it this, you know, like like, for example, 704 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 2: whatever the pop culture celebrity who fucked up of the 705 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 2: day is right, you picked the whichever one. 706 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: Normally it's not that bad, you know what I mean? 707 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: Like, normally it's something where you can understand how a 708 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 2: well intentioned person could fuck up. You also could understand 709 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 2: how people ain't always been that woke. You also can 710 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: understand how some of the people coming down on these 711 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 2: folks shared their same views, but maybe they weren't online 712 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: at the time, or maybe they learned a year ago, 713 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 2: and now it's they're shitting on everybody else. And so 714 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 2: I try to have some perspective and say, well, what 715 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: this person believes could be dangerous or harmful. But at 716 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 2: the same time, I don't know necessarily that you know, 717 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 2: it could have not been me, or it could have 718 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 2: not been somebody else I love or care about, and 719 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 2: stuff like that. You know this, and plus, honestly, man, 720 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 2: the way my brain works too, it's so like if 721 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 2: I can find the funny in it, like why something 722 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 2: to me is silly? Now it might be expressing something 723 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 2: that goes directly against what my friends say. For example, 724 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends that are online friends anyway, 725 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 2: that think motherfucker's supposed to go to Thanksgiving and Christmas 726 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 2: and slap their uncle. That's make America great again or 727 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 2: whatever the fuck right, And you know, for years I 728 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: would just be like, Okay, well, I guess go confront 729 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 2: that motherfucker. But then over time I thought about it, 730 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: I was like, that's kind of ridiculous. 731 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 732 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 2: And then the joke I finally settled on was motherfuckers 733 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 2: want you to go to Thanksgiving and fuck up your 734 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 2: Christmas presents, you know, And that's funny objectively to me, like, 735 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 2: you know, go cuss out your uncle over the Cowboys 736 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 2: game about Trump, and then when it's time for a 737 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 2: Christmas presence, you ain't getting shit, you know, right, And 738 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: so it's just kind of it's like it's more relatable 739 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 2: and funny. But that process is actually really a thought 740 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: process that I had because I don't think conversations are. 741 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: To change people at Thanksgiving dinner. 742 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's how that works, you know, 743 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 2: So you know, I had to come up with a 744 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: way to be funny about it. And so you know, 745 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 2: I appreciate people that take the time out to say 746 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 2: like I you know, and also I realized that's what 747 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 2: makes our show different and makes it special and you know, 748 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: for me personally better than a lot of people shows. 749 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 2: It's like I'm not just trying to fit the way. 750 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: I'm not just trying to do what people think and 751 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: it regurgitate back to them their opinion so they can 752 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 2: pat me on the back. And be like, oh, you're 753 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 2: so great, you know, and sometimes you know it just 754 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 2: like we've been doing this for years. Sometimes people agree 755 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 2: with a lot of the shit and they fucking love us, 756 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 2: and sometimes they disagree and they fucking don't like us, 757 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 2: And sometimes they come around and sometimes they don't, you know. 758 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 2: So there's people that start off liking us and we 759 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 2: hit a sore spot eventually on something and they realize 760 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 2: they can't handle differences of opinion, you know, Or they 761 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 2: can't handle a person that's not that that makes a 762 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 2: joke about, you know, something that that's passionate about. 763 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: They can't handle that. 764 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: And I accept that that's just part of the job now, 765 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 2: and so to be fraid is along with about way 766 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 2: of saying it. But I just stopped worrying about whether 767 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 2: or not people were gonna like me or like what 768 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 2: I was talking about or be pissed off, because I'm 769 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 2: doing my fucking best and that's all anybody is really 770 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 2: responsible for, you know, And I try to approach things 771 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 2: now with that in mind of other people, Like, maybe 772 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 2: this person is doing their best and they're not where 773 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 2: I would like them to be, but it's possible they 774 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 2: could get further along that path or get to a 775 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 2: point where I'm looking like, look at you, look at 776 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 2: all that growth. You know, I don't want to be 777 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 2: the person watching somebody walk them out and shitting on 778 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 2: them every step of that mouth Like, I'll check back in, 779 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 2: you know, see what the process is later, you know, 780 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 2: And yeah, if you're doing something fucked up, I'm totally 781 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 2: willing to be like that. 782 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: Right there was fucked up. 783 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 2: But then when you start trying to make steps to 784 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: amend it or do better, you know, I'm gonna keep that. 785 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: Same energy of hey, you're doing better. Good for you. 786 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: All right, let's see. So do we read this? Okay? Yeah? 787 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 2: The last one, Dallas Dude says five stars. I can't 788 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 2: I can't live without this show. I've been listening to 789 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,959 Speaker 2: the show for about three years now, and after hearing 790 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: Rod as a guest on the Now the Funk on 791 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 2: a now defunct podcast, he was so entertaining and interesting, 792 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 2: I shot out shout out the black out tips and 793 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 2: have been listening ever since. 794 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: As a fifty year old liberal black man. 795 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 2: It's so refreshing to hear Rod, the straight black male 796 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 2: be so honest and non pandering, LGBT positive and so 797 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 2: free toxic masculinity. You know I still got something in there. 798 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I follow nothing but button on Instagram. 799 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: It's not a joke, guy. Yeah. 800 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 3: And I still have some formal patriarchy in me because 801 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 3: I show STANMD my blacks in front that door do 802 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 3: for me, absolutely. 803 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: Fucking will y'all. It could be three degrees outside. I 804 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: don't care. 805 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 2: I should be like a man gonna open this door, 806 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's right. 807 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 808 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 2: To beyond phase, y'all cancel caring and you can't and 809 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 2: you can't help but love. 810 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: Karens down to earth opinions and views. 811 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 2: Plus, Unlike many podcasts hosts hosts, she openly admits when she. 812 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: Doesn't know something that I'm here for it. Mm we 813 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: all could learn. 814 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 2: Okay, that's one of the things I learned from Karen, 815 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 2: because I have many a time trying to fake my 816 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 2: way through some and end up looking even dumber than 817 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 2: if I would have just been open up front, like 818 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 2: I don't know what. 819 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: The fuck you talking about. 820 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 2: The main thing that separates this black podcast from others, 821 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 2: none of the religious posture that so many black podcasts do, 822 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 2: is someone who believes religion has done more hard us 823 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 2: than good. It's so nice to hear two black hosts 824 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 2: giving that total one hundred percent opinions about the blessed 825 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 2: and highly favorite rhetoric attached. 826 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,439 Speaker 1: I simply love these two. 827 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that took a while, you know, speaking of things, 828 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 2: you know, developing on the show. That took a while 829 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 2: for me to even like talk about on the show, 830 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 2: you know, was being like an atheist, you know what 831 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 2: I mean, being like, yeah, so well, you know, and 832 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 2: it's not you know, it's weird because when you say 833 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 2: that as a black person, obviously it's more complicated because 834 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 2: you're essentially you're essentially talking about the Black Church, which 835 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 2: was a very a very essential part of black resistance. 836 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 2: So there's a history there that I don't ever want 837 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,479 Speaker 2: to disrespect. But at the same time, I'd be less 838 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 2: than honest to look around at some religion has. 839 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: Really like. 840 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 2: Hurt our people and really been used for bad things, 841 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 2: and not just among black people but in the world 842 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 2: and just ignore that shit. And I feel like that's 843 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 2: the part that's weird, Or to treat every single infraction 844 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 2: from religion like it's an individual problem. It's like, now, 845 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: if Catholicism has enabled thousands of children to be abused. 846 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 2: I can't just sit by in good conscious and be like, well, 847 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 2: you got a few buy an apples. No, that's a 848 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 2: Catholic problem, y'all fucking kids. Okay, that's not good. It 849 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,879 Speaker 2: is No other organization in the fucking planet could get 850 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 2: away with that and be and it be okay, you 851 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like like if that was Lows, 852 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 2: there would be no more Lows, you. 853 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,479 Speaker 4: Know, business right. 854 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 2: So, but I also try to do it without just 855 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 2: like constantly banging on religion, because you know, you know, 856 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 2: my goal is not just to hop on here and 857 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 2: be like, let me tell you what's wrong with these 858 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 2: Christians every week, because it's not like I'm. 859 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: Hurt by Christianity or whatever. 860 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 2: I know, some people will become atheists because they were 861 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 2: hurt in church, like they really believed and it's something 862 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 2: bad happened to them, and then it's like church fu 863 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 2: all these Christians. I don't have no animosity in that way, 864 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 2: but I'm just being honest about the impact that it's 865 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 2: had and the uh you know, and some of the 866 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 2: things that's done to the community I feel like aren't good. So, 867 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 2: but Thank you guys for all the five star reviews. 868 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 2: We appreciate them, and we did get some comments on 869 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 2: the website. Let's go to the Blackguvetips dot com. The 870 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 2: first episode was our feedback episode two thousand and eight. 871 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: It's it's really turning into years. 872 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 2: How far we've come along, We're gonna be at twenty 873 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,879 Speaker 2: twenty before twenty twenty Right two thousand and eight amazingly 874 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 2: riddled with beautiful blackness was the name of the episode. 875 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,879 Speaker 1: We had four comments. 876 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 2: Celesti sixty three says hi Rod and care The best 877 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 2: thing about people sitting in silly negative comments is that 878 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 2: you turned them into jokes. 879 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: It's literally the gift that keeps on giving. Lol, thank you. 880 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 4: That's what we try. We try best, you know, to 881 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 4: do that. 882 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 3: And sometimes I'll be on that that that joke in front, 883 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,439 Speaker 3: but yeah, most time is Roger. 884 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny though, because. 885 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 2: You're doing you were doing good, feeding off of it 886 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,359 Speaker 2: and being like no, you know, and that makes it 887 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 2: funnier because I just keep going. 888 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: So it was, you know, we was both fitting on 889 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: the joke. 890 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 2: Ama says about these phones, my daughter was so disappointed 891 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 2: when she realized how upgraded phone she has to see 892 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 2: my hand and took my finger. Then she looked at 893 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 2: me and I just said, it doesn't use your fingerprint 894 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 2: on this phone. And I haven't put my face on 895 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 2: it because she gets my husband's phone and just puts 896 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 2: it in front of his face. 897 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 1: Lo l not me. You have to ask and then 898 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: maybe our ked in my cold mom. Last. Come on, 899 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: these babies be wanting these phones. 900 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 2: Boy, you be around the kid these days, boy, they like, 901 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,839 Speaker 2: don't let them see your phone. They become instantly not 902 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 2: interested in whatever the fuck you was doing. They'd be like, 903 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 2: you got some games on this. I'm like, hey, man, 904 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 2: I was asking how school's going. 905 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I Leila, don't ask no more because I just 906 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 3: trained her I don't. 907 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 4: I'm like, nope, nope, no. 908 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 2: Kid can see my phone if they go to my 909 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 2: Instagram and now it's but it's all over. 910 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 4: That's my thing. I want. I be like, nope, nope. 911 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 4: I have told her no so many times. 912 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 3: She don't even ask anymore because my thing, I said 913 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 3: back and not turn the funnest one. 914 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 4: If do you got McDonald's money. I was like, baby, 915 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 4: you tell this phone up. You can't fix his phone, 916 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,360 Speaker 4: no thing, no ma'am right. 917 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 2: So you know you ain't got to like, you know, 918 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 2: try to you know how your mama snatched the soul 919 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 2: out of my body because you know went on. 920 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: You've been over here heartening reggan Ka's Instagram. 921 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 3: Right, And I done got Tumble off my phone. But 922 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 3: before I used to have Tumble on my phone and 923 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 3: they would have boody picks and everything else on it too, ma'am. 924 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 2: And I still got Tumble on my phone. That's the 925 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 2: other thing. It's still a point on that. I don't 926 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 2: know what people talking. 927 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, O mine too, So I'm like, no, no, ma'am. No. 928 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 3: I was like, no, I tell her no, it has 929 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 3: a dope content on it, no, ma'am right. So that's 930 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 3: why it's my phone. 931 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm. 932 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 3: Uh. 933 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,919 Speaker 2: Let's see classic R and B lover says hello, riding 934 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 2: care or should I say sidekick? I know I have 935 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 2: my own ass, Hilary, I mean we all do, but 936 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 2: the nerve of that person, the label car is a sidekick. 937 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,399 Speaker 2: I wonder if they listen to pregame at bolls DP, 938 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 2: and if so, do they. 939 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: View justice is that? How do they view Justine? 940 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 2: It's interesting how people denigrate women without the slightest start 941 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 2: come on Classic R and B Lover. That's all I 942 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,720 Speaker 2: was saying, like cause it was like someone on Twitter. 943 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 2: You know these people they like, they don't be on 944 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 2: Twitter a lot, so sometimes I can't tell if it's 945 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 2: just a lack of Twitter. 946 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: Etiquette or they just you know. 947 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 2: And then also I have to get used to the 948 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 2: fact that people see what we do as this product. 949 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 2: It's not necessarily us, but it's kind of hard because 950 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 2: it's us making this product and it's the product is us. 951 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: But anyway, yes, they have. 952 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 2: Posted something on our on our hashtag being like, well, Karen, 953 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 2: you know, maybe people you could be not misogynistic and 954 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 2: think Karen is a sidekick because it's not like she 955 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 2: introduces any segments. And I was like, yeah, except I 956 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 2: listen to a lot of podcasts where both hosts don't 957 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 2: introduce segments. It's normally one host kind of moving briskly, 958 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 2: briskly along, And even when when it's a man, I've 959 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,720 Speaker 2: never heard someone say that person's a side kick. Not once, 960 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 2: justin we had the same format on the sports show 961 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 2: and pregame. Not once have I got that we've been doing. 962 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 2: I think I looked up We've done three hundred and 963 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 2: thirty of those shows. Not not one feedback ever has 964 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 2: ever been like he's not enough of the show, or 965 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 2: he's a sidekick or not a co host. 966 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: Right, Reggie and Nick jew I listen to them every week. 967 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 2: They get feedback. Never once is Reggie's considered a sidekick. 968 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 2: You know, normally Nick Jee is the one who because 969 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 2: this is just the way things organized, moderates and organizes 970 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 2: your segments. 971 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 4: Somebody has to do it. 972 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 2: And I say this, and I think what happens. It's 973 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,760 Speaker 2: kind of like the calling someone racist. They hear racist 974 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,359 Speaker 2: and then they bristle and they go no, no, no, 975 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 2: absolutely not not me. 976 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 1: He couldn't be. 977 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 2: And what I'll say instead is I think people have, 978 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,719 Speaker 2: like massagy, everyone has misogyny inside them. 979 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes we just don't even consider it. 980 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 2: Why And then when you say, hey, well that could 981 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 2: be a bit of a misogynistic way of looking at it, 982 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 2: to say this person that's here for every fucking episode 983 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:57,320 Speaker 2: of the show. 984 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,360 Speaker 1: Ever is not the co host. 985 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 2: And it's not something you would ever accuse a man 986 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 2: of being that may be come from misogyny. It's like 987 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,400 Speaker 2: people can't relate, they can't hear it. They just shut up, 988 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 2: la la la la la, and there's you know, this 989 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 2: person obviously didn't respond when I said it. I actually 990 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 2: might go back and just to lead my response because 991 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 2: it wasn't mean or anything, but I was just like, 992 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 2: you know, have you thought about this? But they're not 993 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,360 Speaker 2: interested in listening there and never you know, saying what 994 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 2: they have to say and just dip it. I'm the 995 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 2: one that keeps thinking it's gonna be a conversation. But 996 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 2: and then the other thing was what was the other thing? 997 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's just you never see that really, 998 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 2: Oh I know what it was. There's an NPR episode 999 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 2: about vocal Fry type of NPR vocal Fry and Google 1000 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,359 Speaker 2: will come up, and it's one of my favorite episodes 1001 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 2: of podcasts because it talks about how NPR has to 1002 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 2: deal with the fact that they have women host and 1003 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,760 Speaker 2: they get so much negative feedback only on the shows 1004 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 2: hosted by women, and they get it's about it's about 1005 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff they can't change. 1006 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 6: They have. 1007 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 4: They have generic responses that they send people. 1008 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 2: Right and to the point where they basically throw people's 1009 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,480 Speaker 2: emails in the trash, in the virtual trash because they're 1010 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,360 Speaker 2: like this is an email that we've just decided. 1011 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 1: We know this. 1012 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 2: We've gotten so many of these. We know it's just 1013 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 2: about the fact that it's women. We don't get these 1014 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,839 Speaker 2: about men ever, And it's not about their opinions. It's 1015 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 2: about the sound of their voice. You can't stand to 1016 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 2: hear a woman's voice, and then you have to write 1017 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 2: in to tell us about it, like, but you, but 1018 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 2: you're not misogynistic. 1019 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: We're always programmed to deal with this shit. 1020 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 2: I had a person write there and talk about my 1021 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 2: voice being too high for a guy as big as me, Like, what. 1022 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,279 Speaker 1: The fuck does that even mean? It's my voice. I 1023 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: can't do shit about it, you know. Well anyway, Brooklyn. 1024 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 2: Shoe Ba says, thank you for the new the evil 1025 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,919 Speaker 2: inside design. Just brought me a T shirt. Oh shit, 1026 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 2: see I promised about it if you made it, and 1027 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 2: I did. Happy Holidays, Thank you, he did. 1028 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: I made that T shirt specifically with you in mind. 1029 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: I did not. I had no idea what should look like. 1030 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 2: I just kind of made a random design and put 1031 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 2: in the words and I'm glad you enjoyed it. 1032 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,239 Speaker 1: The poll was do you mail our holiday cars? Yes 1033 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 1: or no? Thirty audience says yes sixty five percent, says. 1034 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 4: No, we haven't done it in a long time. 1035 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 2: I used to do it to like, you mean we 1036 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 2: I mail him out every single year. 1037 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I. 1038 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 2: Mean the yes category with thirty five percent. Uh, go, 1039 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 2: go ahead, you can do it. 1040 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 3: And when I mean when, I when, I mean me, like, yeah, 1041 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 3: we send them out to like the fans and things 1042 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 3: like that, but I'll I'll be adding our friends to them. 1043 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I didn't. 1044 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, my parents, Christian, you know, people like that. 1045 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know my back nick ju you know. But 1046 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:47,760 Speaker 1: uh yeah. 1047 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 2: So Rebecca says, doing Christmas cars is all the holiday 1048 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 2: spirit I can must this year, but put on a 1049 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,880 Speaker 2: few carols, wiped out out of without a few cars, 1050 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 2: it called Christmas done yours and the mail mayor Christmas 1051 00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,839 Speaker 2: there I said it, Rebecca, Thank you, Rebecca, thank you. 1052 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,240 Speaker 2: Alicia says every year I plan to take family picks 1053 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 2: and upload them on Shutterfly and make them all pretty 1054 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,840 Speaker 2: and mail them out in the least hand or at 1055 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 2: least hand them out. 1056 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: Never happens, though this year I failed again. I say. 1057 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: That's another reason I say turning into. 1058 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,840 Speaker 2: Holiday cards, because then you got to like the end 1059 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,440 Speaker 2: of the year them extra days after Christmas or you 1060 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,839 Speaker 2: know the Ottawa. Yeah, that's what I said, Yeah, all 1061 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,399 Speaker 2: the way to mlkd o stract, I'm like, I. 1062 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: Believe in this too. Here's your holiday card. 1063 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 2: It's not late, it's early for mlkd Ama says, I'm 1064 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 2: just not organizing nothing. Honestly, I don't always want one 1065 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 2: from the people who do send them. You're going to 1066 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 2: put it on Facebook anyway. Last time I sent out 1067 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 2: cards was nine years ago when I was pregnant, lol, 1068 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,320 Speaker 2: shaking my head. The only people I sent cards the 1069 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,839 Speaker 2: photos to now grandparents, my accountant, and older aunts and. 1070 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 4: Uncles because they ain't no lie. 1071 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think being online is kind of done 1072 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,760 Speaker 2: away with the use the idea. 1073 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the biggest one. Most people don't send them. 1074 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: MS Barr says Sales Club fucked me up this year. 1075 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,480 Speaker 2: Older my holiday cars this year, thinking the photo lab 1076 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 2: was inside the store. I went to the store this 1077 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 2: past weekend to find out not only that my cars 1078 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 2: will show up till the weekend before Christmas, they took 1079 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:20,359 Speaker 2: out the. 1080 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 1: Whole photo lab. Can't stand in them. 1081 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 2: I know there are white women of color problems, but damn, 1082 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,919 Speaker 2: I wish I got a heads up so I could 1083 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 2: lower my expectations. FYI, your car would be in the 1084 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,959 Speaker 2: mail after Christmas, shaking my head. 1085 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,920 Speaker 1: Don't worry about I don't worry about it. Some of 1086 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: y'all cars gonna get in the mail after Christmas. It's fine. 1087 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 2: Wiglin Shoe Bay says, normally I do, but this year 1088 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,319 Speaker 2: I didn't get a chance to buy any cars, so 1089 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 2: everyone might get e cars only send out about ten 1090 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 2: a year, my family and my good friends. 1091 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I'm just always interested in that. 1092 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,279 Speaker 2: I didn't do cars until we started the podcast, and 1093 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 2: it was just an idea I had a few years ago, 1094 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 2: and I'm actually kind of surprised I stuck with it 1095 00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 2: because this is not really the kind of. 1096 00:52:59,520 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: Shit I do. 1097 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, I said, this is not his thing. He would 1098 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,439 Speaker 4: be another store, but not him. 1099 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,320 Speaker 2: We are episode two thousand and nine, a judgment free 1100 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,879 Speaker 2: Zone where we had Karen and Justin Know. We had 1101 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,440 Speaker 2: some comments from people. Katri says this episode was drenched 1102 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 2: and petty laughing my ass off. I hated it, but 1103 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,800 Speaker 2: I couldn't stop laughing. Poor little ting tink. Jani Jennica says, 1104 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 2: my auntie bought me the what does It Kill You 1105 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 2: Makes You Blacker? Book for Christmas. Can't wait to read it. 1106 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,600 Speaker 2: Thanks for reading the excerpts. Oh, it's so good. Joy 1107 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 2: and in a small world revelation. Like one of the 1108 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,000 Speaker 2: people I was reading about that passage listen to the show, Ah, 1109 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,719 Speaker 2: that was crazy. The world's so small, that's crazy. I 1110 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 2: was like, I hope we didn't make you feel bad. 1111 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,760 Speaker 2: And then we kind of chatted back and forth and 1112 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 2: she was like, you know, you just don't realize. I 1113 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,400 Speaker 2: just I know it affected him like that and stuff. 1114 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,240 Speaker 2: I was like, we all do it though. 1115 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 4: And if I know the subconsciously, we just don't know. 1116 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,880 Speaker 2: Growing up man, the ship that I associated with, what 1117 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,120 Speaker 2: was poor and all that stuff, and then the you know, 1118 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,320 Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a it's a what do 1119 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 2: you call it, it's a it's an evolution. It is 1120 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 2: people ain't that fucking different? And nobody was that fucking 1121 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,759 Speaker 2: woke man, Like maybe they will be now because all 1122 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 2: the resources online and ship, but like most told me 1123 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 2: what you are woke out and looked at you like 1124 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 2: the fuck is it won't get. 1125 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 1: Away from me? 1126 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,719 Speaker 2: Not just the word, but I'm just talking about the 1127 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,400 Speaker 2: idea of being like so fucking ahead of the times 1128 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 2: and be like, no, there's nothing wrong with balloone government 1129 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,760 Speaker 2: BLOGONEA Okay, Nah, it was a loan period in my life. 1130 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the ghetto. You pull out some fucking 1131 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,080 Speaker 2: fry bologna, I'm like, that's that government issue, thick ass 1132 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 2: baloonea forever. Yeah, that don't cook up right, and you 1133 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,319 Speaker 2: can't get it on the fucking bread. Yeah, you know, 1134 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 2: you gotta like cut the edge or some ship. And 1135 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 2: I don't you know, at the time, I know enough 1136 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,719 Speaker 2: about all that, and you know, live a mush and 1137 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,759 Speaker 2: you know there's still black people that have aversions to 1138 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 2: certain type of foods because you associated with negativity and 1139 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,520 Speaker 2: blackness and poverty and stuff. It's and you'll probably never 1140 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,439 Speaker 2: get it all out. I mean I make jokes about 1141 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,359 Speaker 2: it some time. Can'll be like, so what we eating 1142 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 2: to night, and I'll be like, hog malls, And I 1143 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,280 Speaker 2: know we're not gonna have hog malls. 1144 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: It can't find no word to serve them. 1145 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 2: But it's just you know, it's just a joke, you know, 1146 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 2: but all of it comes from a real place, and 1147 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,799 Speaker 2: so you know, whether it's kool aid or you know 1148 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 2: my case. I told her it was Ramen noodles. Yeah, 1149 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,000 Speaker 2: that was what I the noodles and noodles what they 1150 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,560 Speaker 2: used to call them, and Romen's Pride and seventy five 1151 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,520 Speaker 2: cent noodles, and I associated that would just pole a 1152 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,440 Speaker 2: bunch of sodium on some more fucking noodles. 1153 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,280 Speaker 4: And now was my world doing college. 1154 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 2: And now you can't go a block down town Charlotte 1155 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,120 Speaker 2: without a fucking artisanal ass Ramen shop that they charge 1156 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 2: you fucking you know, rent to a bowl or a bowl. 1157 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, we was getting this ship for seventy 1158 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,439 Speaker 2: five cent. You know, just it's funny, how I said? 1159 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 2: It's just life is funny that way. So no shade, 1160 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,400 Speaker 2: Classic R and B lover says how Rod, Herren and 1161 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 2: Justin this episode was too too funny. It started off 1162 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,359 Speaker 2: good with judgment free Rod, but it really kicked up 1163 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,120 Speaker 2: when the real Rob returned. I couldn't agree more about 1164 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,359 Speaker 2: your comments on Orlando Jones, an American God. Season two 1165 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,240 Speaker 2: was vastly superior, but for some strange reason, people couldn't 1166 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:21,920 Speaker 2: connect with it. 1167 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. 1168 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,080 Speaker 2: This is probably where I hurt my own self by 1169 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 2: dot participating in these fan groups and talking to these 1170 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,280 Speaker 2: people because I don't I mean, I'm talking black people. 1171 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't know why they didn't like season two. I 1172 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:35,719 Speaker 1: thought the shit was good. 1173 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,840 Speaker 2: I'm glad I watched it after everybody else and binge 1174 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 2: it right, because I damn sure didn't want to be 1175 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,520 Speaker 2: like having them yuck in my young on this. But man, 1176 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,320 Speaker 2: I don't know what it was that was bad Orlando, 1177 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 2: because I tend to believe Orlando because the Middle Eastern 1178 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 2: actor who played the gay gay Jen has been let 1179 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:02,400 Speaker 2: go as well that after the show posted, I for 1180 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 2: one will not be watching season three. That's for the 1181 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 2: plantations and white people flocking in them for weddings. I 1182 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,279 Speaker 2: perpetually give Ryan Reynolds a side because he got married 1183 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,160 Speaker 2: on a plantation. That's right, Deadpool be out here faking 1184 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 2: the funk to our face like Judge from The Watchman 1185 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,640 Speaker 2: while flashing white power signs and being a member of 1186 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:23,120 Speaker 2: the seventh Cavalry behind our backs. Damn class all be lover. Yeah, 1187 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 2: I knew he got married because then he. 1188 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,320 Speaker 1: Married that white woman. Y'all can't sick? Is that white woman? 1189 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:28,440 Speaker 1: First of all? 1190 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 2: I know all of them, Yes, yes, how I get 1191 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:36,280 Speaker 2: the joke. But there's a white woman, Brook started, B. Fuck, 1192 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,440 Speaker 2: I cannot remember who that man's wife is. She's like 1193 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,520 Speaker 2: the white like if Taylor swifts white woman tm A, 1194 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,400 Speaker 2: she's like white woman, tm B. 1195 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 1: Said Blake Lively. Yes, that's she's a. 1196 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 2: She's like a very pure, pure arian goddess white woman, 1197 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,640 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, yeah, he got married 1198 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,480 Speaker 2: to her, I think, and they got married on the 1199 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,600 Speaker 2: plantation you know what to be Well that movie the 1200 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 2: rhythm section where Stola k Browns and that you asked 1201 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 2: me about where it's gonna be like a woman whose 1202 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,400 Speaker 2: family got killed and she's going to kill a lot 1203 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 2: of people. She's the one that starts in that. That's 1204 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:17,080 Speaker 2: Blake Lobby anyway, though, Yeah, that's funny. That's all I 1205 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,960 Speaker 2: personally don't. I think I explained it on the show. 1206 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,919 Speaker 2: But I don't think white people go to plantation weddings 1207 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,000 Speaker 2: on some we're gonna show these niggers, you know, overt 1208 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 2: racism shit. 1209 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:32,880 Speaker 1: I think they just don't care and they don't know. 1210 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,840 Speaker 2: And the people that handed down the knowledge to them 1211 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,320 Speaker 2: did not talk about that ship or they said it 1212 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,360 Speaker 2: was happy slaves and ship and that's just enough cognitive 1213 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 2: dissonance for these motherfuckers to believe the ship wasn't that bad, 1214 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 2: And so. 1215 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,400 Speaker 1: That's what happens now. 1216 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,680 Speaker 2: I did have this idea that we should photo shop 1217 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,160 Speaker 2: slaves into the background these pictures and shout out to 1218 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,840 Speaker 2: my man Jacola Flair on Twitter. 1219 00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 1: And did it. 1220 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,680 Speaker 2: And he took it to the smartest. He did the 1221 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 2: smartest version of it. He went and got movies where 1222 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 2: they have actors who play legs, which is so smart 1223 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,960 Speaker 2: because I was thinking about real fucking like slave pictures, which, 1224 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,800 Speaker 2: let's be honest, niggas would have been way too triggered 1225 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,960 Speaker 2: than offended. But and then other people participated too. It 1226 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 2: was so good, Like I think he started a Twitter 1227 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,560 Speaker 2: account Savory Picks. 1228 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,720 Speaker 1: Or something like that. It was so good. 1229 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,960 Speaker 2: And it's like someone took like Harriet, like Cithy Orrivo 1230 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,360 Speaker 2: from Harriet high behind a tree and made it like 1231 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,600 Speaker 2: she was peeking in on somebody's wedding photos. 1232 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,120 Speaker 1: You know, someone took the woman. 1233 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 2: This isn't even slavery, but someone took the woman from 1234 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 2: get out and put it in the background of a 1235 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,480 Speaker 2: house on the plantation looking out the window like they 1236 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,480 Speaker 2: were so good Man that joint have your boy cracking 1237 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 2: up Booklyn Shoe Base says, every time you prefer the 1238 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,480 Speaker 2: Karen as your sidekick. I remember a scene from the 1239 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,520 Speaker 2: Tic cartoon when someone asked author who he is and 1240 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 2: the reply is sidekick. The villain says, kick him to 1241 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 2: the side. He literally got kicked. He really got kicked 1242 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:06,320 Speaker 2: to the side. 1243 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,440 Speaker 4: Shout out to the tick. I love that show. 1244 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have to watch the live action one. 1245 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,680 Speaker 1: I watched the cartoon. 1246 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,040 Speaker 2: But mil seventy three says, based on this episode, here 1247 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:23,200 Speaker 2: are Summer Raid's favorite artist artist Kendrick La Petty, Tom, 1248 01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,520 Speaker 2: Petty and the Heartbreakers a trial called Petty Notorious, p 1249 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:32,240 Speaker 2: E T T Why Petty LaBelle, Petty cast Petty Dan 1250 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,000 Speaker 2: Earthwinded Petty. Do not take this as a judgment, however, 1251 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,959 Speaker 2: because apparently all opinions are. 1252 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 1: Valid, aren't theato. I don't even feel judged. 1253 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,440 Speaker 2: And the poll for the episode was do you prefer 1254 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 2: the non judgmental Rod? 1255 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:49,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1256 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,720 Speaker 2: I do want to see, you know, how people a 1257 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,520 Speaker 2: lot you know, maybe I can go back to doing that. 1258 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 2: A lot of people enjoyed it. 1259 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,760 Speaker 1: My vote is no, Okay, what the options are? 1260 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 6: No? 1261 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,760 Speaker 2: Or I'm not judging or yes, So Ke you're saying no, 1262 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,880 Speaker 2: you not prefer that? Okay you and most of the 1263 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,640 Speaker 2: audience agreed. Fifty six percent said no, they do not 1264 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,439 Speaker 2: like the non judgmental Rod, forty four percent said I'm 1265 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:23,040 Speaker 2: not judging, and zero percent said yes, which feels like 1266 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:28,880 Speaker 2: a judgment. Tyrone M says the centrist guy who tips 1267 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,720 Speaker 2: is not my favorite. Boom Alicia says, this is the 1268 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,000 Speaker 2: black guy who tips. In other words, the black guy 1269 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,320 Speaker 2: who gives two cents. Briogling shoe bab well, I just 1270 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:39,880 Speaker 2: like to give one cent to one side of one 1271 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,520 Speaker 2: cent to the other. No, briogly Shoeba says, I'm in 1272 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,200 Speaker 2: it for the judge and please judge away. 1273 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:45,800 Speaker 1: Ama says, I. 1274 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,560 Speaker 2: Missed the old Raj judgmental petty Raj straight from your 1275 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,280 Speaker 2: for your throat Raj Yo, man, f this new Raja. 1276 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:55,600 Speaker 1: I only we could. 1277 01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 2: Love Raj like Raj loves Raj. Judge on the judge 1278 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,160 Speaker 2: on MS. Bard says, in my black mother voice, say 1279 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,400 Speaker 2: you're not going to judge one more time? 1280 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:11,520 Speaker 1: One more time. The swavey P says, but the fuck 1281 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,280 Speaker 1: is this? Stop it? Stop it right now? This is stupid. 1282 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,560 Speaker 2: He was not a fan not oh wow, okay, all right. 1283 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,160 Speaker 2: I guess people just didn't didn't see the point. 1284 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:23,800 Speaker 1: All right. 1285 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,800 Speaker 2: The next episode, I only had two comments. 1286 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,280 Speaker 1: It was episode two ten. 1287 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 2: Cold World ko h, l world for that nigga with 1288 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:39,240 Speaker 2: no pants on outside of coles. Uh, and we got 1289 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,280 Speaker 2: two comments. Let me slide on down to the reggae 1290 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 2: section and check this out. All right, it's taking a 1291 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,240 Speaker 2: lot of load on this page. It's as comments just 1292 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 2: slow all right. 1293 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,520 Speaker 1: Uh, here we go. 1294 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:59,440 Speaker 2: All right, So anonymous right saying, oh wait, it was Marcie. Okay, 1295 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 2: so Marcie, he writes in, but for some reason she 1296 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,400 Speaker 2: hadn't locked in, so it said it posted that as anonymous. 1297 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,960 Speaker 2: In regards to people saying that Lizo's music is for 1298 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,320 Speaker 2: white people, I wish everyone would realize that all. 1299 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,120 Speaker 1: Current music we have is because of black people. 1300 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,880 Speaker 2: We would all be listening to orchestral music if not 1301 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,840 Speaker 2: for musical genius, the musical genius of black people. I mean, 1302 01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 2: I get to some stuff that white people like is 1303 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,920 Speaker 2: pretty corny, but corny can also be pretty good at times, 1304 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,520 Speaker 2: so that hasn't really stopped black people from liking corny 1305 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,959 Speaker 2: shit either. Either way, black people will continue to create 1306 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,560 Speaker 2: great art, and I hope white people will keep supporting 1307 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,560 Speaker 2: it because black people deserve our support and we just 1308 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,200 Speaker 2: damn well owe it to them. 1309 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:34,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I get black. 1310 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,000 Speaker 2: People being suspicious of white people liking the stuff they create. 1311 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,320 Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago that white people were still 1312 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,840 Speaker 2: shit for shit out from under them and get rich 1313 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,960 Speaker 2: off of it, while a black person basically starved. It's 1314 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,280 Speaker 2: not like this country has ever really recognized the enormous 1315 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:49,880 Speaker 2: contributions that black people have made. 1316 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,480 Speaker 1: To the literary literally every fiber of this country. I 1317 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 1: get it. 1318 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,640 Speaker 2: It makes sense, and I'm actually more surprised that more 1319 01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,520 Speaker 2: black people don't feel that way. I'm very glad you 1320 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,360 Speaker 2: guys don't, because don't because I'm a totally non fetistic way. 1321 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,600 Speaker 2: I love black people a fetishistic way. I love black people. 1322 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,600 Speaker 2: I want to see all of us come together, rise up, 1323 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,360 Speaker 2: and pick each other up. It tears me up the 1324 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,439 Speaker 2: way this country has been going, and I just don't 1325 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,320 Speaker 2: understand it. Thanks as always for this podcast. I always 1326 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,520 Speaker 2: mean to comment, but work it's in the way. 1327 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 1: Haha. Marcie, thank you, Marshy. 1328 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:20,160 Speaker 4: Thank you. 1329 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm not interested in uh, I'm just not 1330 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,200 Speaker 2: interested in the whole idea that like, if white people 1331 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,280 Speaker 2: consume something black, it then becomes a white thing and 1332 01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,920 Speaker 2: those black people become less black. 1333 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,560 Speaker 1: And people do that too much. 1334 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,560 Speaker 2: It's why you don't catch me on the show talking 1335 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,360 Speaker 2: shit about black podcasts that have a white fan base. 1336 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 2: It's fucked up to do that to black people. Now, 1337 01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,360 Speaker 2: if they're out there saying or doing something that you 1338 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,280 Speaker 2: consider to be fucked up, well cool, I'm with you, 1339 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,240 Speaker 2: that's wrong with that. But if they just being their 1340 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,240 Speaker 2: black ass sells and white people happen to like it. 1341 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,840 Speaker 1: The fuck be it? What's the problem? White people like jazz? 1342 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:03,000 Speaker 2: Don't mean jazz singers were fucking coun you know, like eventually, 1343 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,360 Speaker 2: you know, that's what happens is And I really felt 1344 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,080 Speaker 2: sad for No Name because it feels like she going 1345 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,600 Speaker 2: through that thing. A lot of artists go through a 1346 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,200 Speaker 2: lot of creators go through with white people feeling my shit, 1347 01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:17,800 Speaker 2: what does this mean about me? 1348 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And a lot of people go through that process. 1349 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,120 Speaker 3: They just happen to go through the process offline. 1350 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, it's just sad to see to 1351 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,120 Speaker 2: see how the head trip that it is for us 1352 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,560 Speaker 2: because we're the ones that ultimately pay the price for 1353 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:35,080 Speaker 2: this shit. It's feminism, a conspiracy by white women to 1354 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:39,560 Speaker 2: destroy the Black community. Yes and I'm stupid or obviously not, 1355 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,680 Speaker 2: Karen no, obviously not? Okay, Well, ninety six percent of 1356 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,400 Speaker 2: y'all said obviously not. In a surprising upset to me, 1357 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,760 Speaker 2: four percent of y'all said yes and I'm stupid. So 1358 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:57,560 Speaker 2: I appreciate the honesty. But wow, that's some radical honesty. 1359 01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,480 Speaker 2: I did not know that people will expect that comingarticipated 1360 01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,200 Speaker 2: in Aman says, who are the people who voted yes 1361 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,000 Speaker 2: and I'm stupid? Are you listening to the black autips 1362 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,680 Speaker 2: so you can stop being stupid? Are you hate listening? 1363 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,320 Speaker 2: Who knows? But they all stupid? So what can we 1364 01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:14,680 Speaker 2: really expect from them? 1365 01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:15,320 Speaker 1: Guys? 1366 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:22,720 Speaker 2: Episode twenty eleven was Wow. We had five comments, had 1367 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,840 Speaker 2: a lot of comments on Twitter too. People really liked 1368 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,400 Speaker 2: this episode and related to the black church jokes we had. 1369 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:33,880 Speaker 1: So we got our comments. 1370 01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,360 Speaker 2: Let's see Anonymous says for your next white people news. 1371 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,120 Speaker 2: Can I make a suggestion of a black cover wind 1372 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,000 Speaker 2: blow by Bone, thus and harmony. I think this was 1373 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,160 Speaker 2: one of the best ones there is and bonus Fleetwood, 1374 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,240 Speaker 2: Matt couldn't get any white Lol. I'll see what I 1375 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,240 Speaker 2: can do, Mitchell says, Hey, Rod and Karen. The portion 1376 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 2: of the podcast, so you talk about the church sermons 1377 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 2: brought back many memories of my childhood. I grew up 1378 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,760 Speaker 2: in church and as the granddaughter of the bishop slash 1379 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,280 Speaker 2: past that we would be in church forever. The amount 1380 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,280 Speaker 2: of hours spending church on a Sunday, well, like you said, 1381 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,200 Speaker 2: amount to be in at work for a whole day, 1382 01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,040 Speaker 2: especially if there were multiple services. Yes, sir, I will say, 1383 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,000 Speaker 2: knowing how to play the tambourine is something that you 1384 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,640 Speaker 2: learn to entertain yourself while you are a child, because 1385 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,880 Speaker 2: talking and passing notes during the service was highly frowned upon. 1386 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,200 Speaker 1: That's the other thing. You be up in church all 1387 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:22,880 Speaker 1: day and they don't. 1388 01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,400 Speaker 2: Even want you to be a kid Like I got 1389 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,800 Speaker 2: to sit here in this itchy ass suit, look stoic, 1390 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,480 Speaker 2: like I'm listening to this nigga talking about everybody gonna. 1391 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,200 Speaker 4: Die and them tights of stockings up halfway up. 1392 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,000 Speaker 3: I meant with them socks, them socks they have little 1393 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,800 Speaker 3: girls where before stockings halfway up the legs. 1394 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,280 Speaker 2: The old man with the wow in church that I 1395 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,919 Speaker 2: grew up in was normally a deacon or my dad 1396 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,080 Speaker 2: would use it to signify that he was still awake 1397 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,400 Speaker 2: because deacons even fall asleep during the sermons too. Lastly, 1398 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,400 Speaker 2: to clarify the confusion about the Protestant and Baptist, Protestant 1399 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,800 Speaker 2: is the opposite the Catholic. Basically, the Catholic Church split 1400 01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,360 Speaker 2: back in the days of referemd of the Reformation during 1401 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,160 Speaker 2: the sixteenth century, creating the Protestant faith, which led to 1402 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,800 Speaker 2: there being multiple denominations, which included Baptists at Pentecostal. I 1403 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,760 Speaker 2: hope that helps. I love the show and the reading 1404 01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,480 Speaker 2: Rainbow Portions. I've got so many new books to read. 1405 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,799 Speaker 2: Thanks for the great content. Thanks Mitchell, Thank you. Brooklyn 1406 01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,479 Speaker 2: Shoe Base says, well, you don't hear me though. Now listen, 1407 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:22,519 Speaker 2: Can I get an amen? 1408 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,479 Speaker 1: Amen? Yes, thank you congregation. 1409 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,040 Speaker 2: You had me on the floor talking about black churches, 1410 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,160 Speaker 2: same amount of words, but they or there four times 1411 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,720 Speaker 2: as long. Ain't that the truth? Please don't let it 1412 01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,880 Speaker 2: be in the Eastern service. Shaking my head, the service 1413 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,360 Speaker 2: is one hour long before the preacher even shows up 1414 01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,920 Speaker 2: to speak. When I was married and my children were toddlers, 1415 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,800 Speaker 2: we went to church on Easter service start? Do they 1416 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,880 Speaker 2: you know, I was just wondering do they even testify 1417 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:47,920 Speaker 2: in white churches? 1418 01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:49,120 Speaker 1: Was that a black thing? 1419 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,799 Speaker 4: I don't know, I've never heard them testify. 1420 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I ain't think about it just now, 1421 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,799 Speaker 2: but yeah, because we also take our time to testify, 1422 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,479 Speaker 2: and people be doing that shit to take your time. 1423 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,120 Speaker 4: No, don't, or if they do, they don't be up 1424 01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:05,720 Speaker 4: there all day. 1425 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, what's the white testifying? Like, you know, I 1426 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,400 Speaker 2: had a hard time this year. I lost my job 1427 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,640 Speaker 2: and thanks for the power of the Lord, I was 1428 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:14,280 Speaker 2: able to overcome. 1429 01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,880 Speaker 1: Amen, guys, have a good one, Like is that is 1430 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,160 Speaker 1: that the whole testimony? 1431 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,320 Speaker 3: Because all the time God is good and God is 1432 01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:21,920 Speaker 3: good all the time? 1433 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:22,599 Speaker 4: All right, amen? 1434 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, one testimony and the other fucking black church. Boy, 1435 01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:26,840 Speaker 1: that should be a blow by blow. 1436 01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:28,960 Speaker 4: That's why you have some people. 1437 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,920 Speaker 3: They'll be like, look, testimonies is two minutes the last 1438 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:32,680 Speaker 3: wrap it up. 1439 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,439 Speaker 1: They be like, then once stay up there, don't matter them, 1440 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:37,080 Speaker 1: ain't no rules. 1441 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,719 Speaker 4: When they started talking, all right, yeah, the fake funk. 1442 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,320 Speaker 2: You know, he woke me up this morning. Can I 1443 01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,000 Speaker 2: get an amen? I'm like, this is gonna take forever. 1444 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,160 Speaker 2: It's gonna take forever, tell us you lost your job. 1445 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,360 Speaker 2: Her up service starting at twelve pm, but we got 1446 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,760 Speaker 2: the We got up at nine am and got there 1447 01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,160 Speaker 2: about eleven AM, so we were standing in line and 1448 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:56,800 Speaker 2: we could stay in line to put the babies in 1449 01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,639 Speaker 2: the nursery and get good seats. Long story short, because 1450 01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,679 Speaker 2: I had to get the babies and myself ready for church, 1451 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,880 Speaker 2: and the babies were un cooperative. We didn't get the 1452 01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,800 Speaker 2: church to at the eleven which is what you do. 1453 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,960 Speaker 2: I see bended up all the way in the back 1454 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 2: of the balcony. The church was a former movie theater. 1455 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,719 Speaker 2: It was so warm in there. I was so tired 1456 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,840 Speaker 2: from wrangling those babies in the services so long that 1457 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,720 Speaker 2: I fell asleep. Not a dose, not a quick head nod, 1458 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,879 Speaker 2: but a full on sleep, complete with snoring. My husband 1459 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,400 Speaker 2: didn't talk to me for two weeks because he was 1460 01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,800 Speaker 2: angry Jesus forgave me before he did. 1461 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:27,400 Speaker 1: Lol. 1462 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,519 Speaker 2: Come on, ain't that high be though? Because you didn't 1463 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,880 Speaker 2: embarrass him in church in front of the community. You 1464 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,800 Speaker 2: know they you know, they was talking about you, not 1465 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,479 Speaker 2: even gonna wake you up, just talking about. 1466 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:38,600 Speaker 3: You, And you know what, me and him would have 1467 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,640 Speaker 3: fell out I'd been like, if you didn't help with 1468 01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:41,800 Speaker 3: the kids, I went with sleep. 1469 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,639 Speaker 1: You know she over there falling asleep, you know, no. 1470 01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,960 Speaker 4: Knowing that she had to rankle the babies, get herself together. 1471 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,679 Speaker 2: You know, church room was They don't. They don't gotta 1472 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,719 Speaker 2: be true, they don't. You know, she probably been drinking. 1473 01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,719 Speaker 2: I think I spelled some snaps earlier. 1474 01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:57,559 Speaker 4: Uh. 1475 01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,559 Speaker 1: Now I go to church, choir to a quiet press church, 1476 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:01,799 Speaker 1: in and out in the hour. 1477 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,120 Speaker 2: Including communion. What if you go to heaven and that's 1478 01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,040 Speaker 2: what God cared about? How long you was in church? 1479 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,360 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? An hour? Nigga, Please, you 1480 01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:12,200 Speaker 1: ain't getting here. 1481 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,679 Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time. 1482 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,920 Speaker 1: I mean, if you ain't up in here eight hours 1483 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,360 Speaker 1: of a sunn day, I don't want. That's the only 1484 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,080 Speaker 1: thing I care about. 1485 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,559 Speaker 2: I don't care if you believe in me, nigga believe 1486 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,519 Speaker 2: with more with eight hours. He's just keep punching that 1487 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,080 Speaker 2: car because he keeping a tally everybody hours. 1488 01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,840 Speaker 4: Uh, I looked up down. Don't see no time in 1489 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,200 Speaker 4: half lit double over time. 1490 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,519 Speaker 2: Chaco says, honestly, going to a black church as a 1491 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,639 Speaker 2: testament endurance. And I don't understand how come we didn't 1492 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,720 Speaker 2: receive medals from sunk out of recognition. 1493 01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,439 Speaker 1: For doing so. Come, I'll wait the day for. 1494 01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,000 Speaker 2: The International Olympic Committee to have this as a sport. 1495 01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,280 Speaker 2: The National Church Endurance, International Church Endurance, Black People America 1496 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:53,720 Speaker 2: gonna win. 1497 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:59,920 Speaker 1: M Yes, we got this. I feel they'd be like he. 1498 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:06,559 Speaker 4: Owned the National International Worldwide series of churches. We have 1499 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,040 Speaker 4: two people left. 1500 01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,520 Speaker 3: We have the Pentecostals and we had the non Denominationals, 1501 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,080 Speaker 3: and we're trying to see who's gonna win. 1502 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,600 Speaker 4: They've been at this for twenty four hours. 1503 01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like most. 1504 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,840 Speaker 2: Like most Olympic sports, the black people are going to 1505 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:25,839 Speaker 2: represent America. 1506 01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,559 Speaker 1: Uh in national because we got the training. 1507 01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:35,559 Speaker 2: Okay, uh going into training for this all my life. 1508 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,720 Speaker 2: We're going into the fourth round of passing out the 1509 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,880 Speaker 2: collection place here and up and this one Betsy just 1510 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:43,439 Speaker 2: bowed out. 1511 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,680 Speaker 1: We got a new champion. Uh. 1512 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,000 Speaker 2: I've grown up in the Catholic Church, and I can 1513 01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,240 Speaker 2: tell these researchers only went to white Catholic churches. The 1514 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,559 Speaker 2: black ones were just as much as just as much 1515 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:55,400 Speaker 2: of an all day. 1516 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,719 Speaker 1: Affair as black church Protestant churches. 1517 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,439 Speaker 2: My family is from Haiti, and I'm know that my 1518 01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,439 Speaker 2: fellow classmates and friends who were from the other West 1519 01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,679 Speaker 2: Indian Allans had very similar stories. 1520 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,160 Speaker 1: In terms of length of church services. It was almost 1521 01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:09,519 Speaker 1: like a full shift of work. 1522 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,160 Speaker 2: It's essentially easily started at nine am and finishing around 1523 01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,840 Speaker 2: three pm. You knew it was a good day if 1524 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,560 Speaker 2: you could finish around two pm. 1525 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,320 Speaker 1: The priests was to tied themselves. 1526 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,160 Speaker 2: If they finishing that early, Yeah, they gotta traveled to 1527 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:23,200 Speaker 2: another place or something. 1528 01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:24,040 Speaker 1: It's already something. 1529 01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,400 Speaker 2: When my family moved out of our house and we 1530 01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,880 Speaker 2: found a church nearby, we were absolutely shocked, flummoxed and 1531 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,280 Speaker 2: flabbergasted when we went in. We went to our first 1532 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,080 Speaker 2: service for on Easter, no less, and it was only. 1533 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,519 Speaker 1: An hour when we got home. 1534 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,080 Speaker 2: I honestly didn't know what to do with so much 1535 01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,080 Speaker 2: time left in the day, sleep eat cause of ruckers. 1536 01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,719 Speaker 2: The possibilities were endless, but not because not really, because 1537 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,320 Speaker 2: come on, I lived with some black people on from 1538 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:48,959 Speaker 2: the Islands. 1539 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,559 Speaker 1: I thought, wow, these white people really get to the point. 1540 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,479 Speaker 2: However, in recent years, as there have been new priests 1541 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,599 Speaker 2: coming and going, especially for the few years of their 1542 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,080 Speaker 2: few years their orders, the church has gotten black priests, 1543 01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,760 Speaker 2: particularly priests from other countries like the West Indies or 1544 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,080 Speaker 2: from a country in Africa, those services have been noticeably 1545 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,920 Speaker 2: longer and longer. I kept noticing how into their homilies 1546 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,599 Speaker 2: they were getting, especially during the midday service when there 1547 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,439 Speaker 2: were more was more time, and it would go from 1548 01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,160 Speaker 2: one hour to hour, fifteen minutes to an hour and 1549 01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,000 Speaker 2: a half, etc. Don't get me wrong, there's still a 1550 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,759 Speaker 2: very short time to what I had in the past, 1551 01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,040 Speaker 2: but I was spoiled and had gotten used to the 1552 01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,880 Speaker 2: service only going a certain time so I wouldn't die 1553 01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,120 Speaker 2: of hunger. I had to make plans to go to 1554 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,360 Speaker 2: this eight am service because there was definitely a time limit, 1555 01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,920 Speaker 2: so that they could get ready for the next service 1556 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,720 Speaker 2: and wouldn't lollygag for two plus hours, and I had 1557 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,880 Speaker 2: the rest of the day to myself. Like Brooklyn Shoe 1558 01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,880 Speaker 2: Base said, in and out in about an hour. Yeah, 1559 01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,960 Speaker 2: that's the other thing too. The preacher ain't got shit 1560 01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,760 Speaker 2: else to do. That's his that's his job, and he 1561 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,800 Speaker 2: only gets to do that part of the job once 1562 01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,519 Speaker 2: a week normally, and so they liked to go ahead extra. 1563 01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:59,280 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 1564 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,600 Speaker 2: For us, it's like nigga, I've worked all week and 1565 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,320 Speaker 2: now you put me to a second shift. 1566 01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,400 Speaker 1: I don't like this. Ms. 1567 01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,040 Speaker 2: Barn seventy two says you ain't said nothing but a 1568 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,760 Speaker 2: word with black churches. When I was younger, my mother 1569 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,720 Speaker 2: made me go to the family Baptist church, and it 1570 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,200 Speaker 2: probably was the reason why I would never volunteerly go 1571 01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,920 Speaker 2: to another black church. I made the decision to convert 1572 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,240 Speaker 2: over the Catholicism, and now I can at least get 1573 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,200 Speaker 2: my sermons over in a smooth ten fifteen minutes. I 1574 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,519 Speaker 2: ain't that sad that we such a whole religion, because 1575 01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,439 Speaker 2: it's just like these nigs take too long. No, no, 1576 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,559 Speaker 2: I'll have to take it. Give me some beads, Give 1577 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:36,280 Speaker 2: me some beads. I'm out get some bread, good wine 1578 01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,000 Speaker 2: to be on my merried way. However, I did backslide 1579 01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,120 Speaker 2: when I was dating my then boyfriend and went to 1580 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,120 Speaker 2: his family church. I should have said no, but decided 1581 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:45,680 Speaker 2: to be a good girlfriend and went. I was a 1582 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,160 Speaker 2: dumb ass for going because there was so many red flags. 1583 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,000 Speaker 2: It was a country church that was off. 1584 01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,920 Speaker 1: The main payroll. Oh, they ain't got nothing of a time, girl. 1585 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:55,880 Speaker 4: They church up there on the hill and nothing else 1586 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:56,439 Speaker 4: around it. 1587 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,920 Speaker 2: The congregation was nothing but his family, the pastor his 1588 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,000 Speaker 2: wife cranked up the peace. 1589 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,040 Speaker 1: I know at eleven am. 1590 01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,200 Speaker 2: The summer was full on preach, take your time past 1591 01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,120 Speaker 2: it in the famous Wow. The main thing that had 1592 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,000 Speaker 2: me ready to go was when my then boyfriend's aunt 1593 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,200 Speaker 2: was diagnosed and with breast cancer and they tried to 1594 01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,320 Speaker 2: do a hands on healing with when Dixie olive Ward. 1595 01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,639 Speaker 4: Damn not to wind Dixie when Dixie had a business. Now, 1596 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,400 Speaker 4: what kind of bottom what. 1597 01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,439 Speaker 1: Kind of damn in the heat of the night, ass 1598 01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:25,360 Speaker 1: church that you're going to? 1599 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:26,800 Speaker 2: Wow? 1600 01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, the MLK fans and everything. Jesus, they say that 1601 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:30,760 Speaker 4: condition didn't work. 1602 01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,400 Speaker 2: Everything was finally over at twenty minutes to three. I 1603 01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,200 Speaker 2: will never do that ever again in my life. Your 1604 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,519 Speaker 2: momy is one time now I will say this though. 1605 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,479 Speaker 2: I remember one time I went to this white church 1606 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,160 Speaker 2: by accident. I was just trying to like find a 1607 01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:46,840 Speaker 2: different church, and I was like, I ain't never tried 1608 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:47,559 Speaker 2: to go to this one. 1609 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,840 Speaker 1: First of all, it was all white people in. 1610 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,120 Speaker 2: There, and it was only like me and Karen, And 1611 01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:57,120 Speaker 2: then it was like twelve people in there in total, 1612 01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,600 Speaker 2: and it was short. 1613 01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,320 Speaker 1: They felt long. Yeah, it was so born. 1614 01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,559 Speaker 2: I was like, Damn, this might be worse than giving 1615 01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,439 Speaker 2: up the three hours, Like, damn, I don't know if 1616 01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make it, So that did suck to. 1617 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,240 Speaker 1: The poll was would you eat dick Fish? Yes or no? 1618 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,320 Speaker 1: Karen yes? Oh you changed your mind? 1619 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:20,320 Speaker 7: Yes? 1620 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,840 Speaker 1: Rice? Okay, so Karen is now a yes. 1621 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,439 Speaker 2: So twenty five percent of the audience and me and 1622 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,920 Speaker 2: Karen yes, which means seventy five percent of you homophobic 1623 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,560 Speaker 2: sons of guns. Actually, y'all, y'all might not be homophobic. 1624 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,719 Speaker 2: It could be just against Dick's. You just dick haters. 1625 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,519 Speaker 2: Seventy five percent of y'all said no, Alicia says, you 1626 01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,000 Speaker 2: nasty rid. It's not a fish, it's a worm. But 1627 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,479 Speaker 2: for real though, that's probably what your local Chinese restaurant 1628 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,360 Speaker 2: puts in the house. Fried Rice, Oh, I forgot. The 1629 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,360 Speaker 2: typical response to Ride answered. 1630 01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,640 Speaker 1: Ooh, is you gay? Says Alicia. Yeah, I don't even know. 1631 01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:57,960 Speaker 1: Like that's the other thing too. 1632 01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,120 Speaker 2: A lot of people and you know they're gonna and 1633 01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,519 Speaker 2: it's not even a racist thing. 1634 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:03,519 Speaker 1: This is serious. 1635 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,840 Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know, like the fish and 1636 01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,320 Speaker 2: shit that y'all eating these motherfucking sushi restaurants is not 1637 01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,559 Speaker 2: necessarily the fish that is advertised a beat, so you 1638 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:13,679 Speaker 2: mightight have ate one of these. 1639 01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:18,800 Speaker 1: You have some dickfish, y'all? Mm hmm. They just be like, yeah, 1640 01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:19,599 Speaker 1: a monk fish. 1641 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,800 Speaker 2: Yes, Yellowish Amm says it was cooked by a person 1642 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,479 Speaker 2: from a culture that eats them regularly. 1643 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:26,479 Speaker 1: I tried. 1644 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,680 Speaker 2: I didn't know I like squid until I was went 1645 01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:31,280 Speaker 2: to a restaurant that cooked them amazingly. 1646 01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:33,759 Speaker 1: So far, I still don't like snails a turtle. 1647 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,280 Speaker 2: Phil says, unlike these biggest, I support my LGBT brethren 1648 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,760 Speaker 2: as assists hetero black men out here out that dick fish. 1649 01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,800 Speaker 1: Put that dick fish on my plate and give me 1650 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,040 Speaker 1: the wsabi and ginger. Come on now. 1651 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,120 Speaker 2: And Bean says, I'm on a can train on this one. 1652 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,120 Speaker 2: I've already had enough of them in my mouth. I 1653 01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:52,200 Speaker 2: don't want more. 1654 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,640 Speaker 1: Penis if my diet than it's necessary. 1655 01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,120 Speaker 2: Oh Beans, well, Karen's not even on the can train 1656 01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,560 Speaker 2: no more so. 1657 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,720 Speaker 1: It's just you by self, Beans, and seventy percent of 1658 01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:07,360 Speaker 1: audience y'all afraid of little dick fish. 1659 01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:12,360 Speaker 2: Wow, that's sad here, all the earthly pleasures you's not 1660 01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,439 Speaker 2: ain't gonna try. What if it's delicious, then the last 1661 01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:20,439 Speaker 2: episode was them jigs ain't gonna dance themselves. You know 1662 01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:25,280 Speaker 2: they're not Episode twenty twelve, and we got one comment 1663 01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:29,400 Speaker 2: from Brooklyn shoe Babe who says, e Ventnicole Brown cooked 1664 01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,840 Speaker 2: that nigga, But it's such a classic way, didn't she. 1665 01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:33,080 Speaker 1: You know what? 1666 01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,960 Speaker 2: They really made me miss when I was reading that exchange. 1667 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,640 Speaker 2: It really made me miss when Jail Covid used to 1668 01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,839 Speaker 2: be on Facebook because I used to cook his ass, 1669 01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:48,479 Speaker 2: like ventnic Coole Brown cooked what's that coon's name, Isaiah Washington? 1670 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:53,320 Speaker 1: And I mean it was funny. It would be so funny. 1671 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,639 Speaker 2: He was the perfect person to call the coon and 1672 01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,680 Speaker 2: a lot of black people can't handle that. So I 1673 01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,559 Speaker 2: those days, somebody had photo shot the picture of him 1674 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:09,320 Speaker 2: as Calvin with Calvin Candy Steven. People photo shot them 1675 01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,120 Speaker 2: as Tobias from Black Lightning. 1676 01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,719 Speaker 1: Uh not Obias. I still had those picks. 1677 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,759 Speaker 2: The black dude that that that was on the phone, 1678 01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:22,280 Speaker 2: that like he was calling the cops, that mean, sir, 1679 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:28,240 Speaker 2: that jail picture like those are the days man And 1680 01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:32,280 Speaker 2: guess what guys he saw. He he doesn't like Star 1681 01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,559 Speaker 2: Wars and he thinks it's all the black man's fault. 1682 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,680 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, well he thinks it's all Finn's fault. The 1683 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,760 Speaker 2: actor that plays Finn, he said he can't act what 1684 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,240 Speaker 2: right right? A black self hating black man. 1685 01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:50,439 Speaker 1: It's sad to see, but it happens. But them jigs 1686 01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:52,080 Speaker 1: ain't gonna dance themselves, you know what I'm saying. 1687 01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,360 Speaker 2: The poe was who won Isaiah Washington the event, the 1688 01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,519 Speaker 2: Cole Brown and a very close pole. I can't believe 1689 01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:03,240 Speaker 2: it was even as close U Vtnicole Brown one hundred percent. Yeah, 1690 01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:08,800 Speaker 2: Isaiah Washington zero. I'm really surprised that Jail didn't vote 1691 01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,719 Speaker 2: for IAEA. But okay, he probably was busy he couldn't 1692 01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,120 Speaker 2: get to it. Beth says, ados is maga, that's fascinating. 1693 01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,000 Speaker 2: This was hilarious read from Y and B. By the way, 1694 01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,760 Speaker 2: the excert you read and your discussion after was magnificent, 1695 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:21,640 Speaker 2: truly inspiring. 1696 01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,479 Speaker 1: Thank you, Beth says. Oh. 1697 01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,400 Speaker 2: She goes on to say, I think I believe that 1698 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,400 Speaker 2: I have a tribe in you guys, because I feel 1699 01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,760 Speaker 2: the same way about being alive or growing up. When 1700 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,040 Speaker 2: Rod told Karen you didn't used to know how beautiful 1701 01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,559 Speaker 2: you were, I melted. But this episode put this episode 1702 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:43,280 Speaker 2: into Smithsonian. Beth, thanks Beth, thank you, Aman says, I screamed, 1703 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,320 Speaker 2: and I feel like Y and B and I could 1704 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,439 Speaker 2: be friends or as black women, our ability to shave 1705 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:49,479 Speaker 2: folks as strong. 1706 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,760 Speaker 1: Because when you read one tweet from Isaiah. 1707 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:57,120 Speaker 2: Watching about him having all the time, I said, out loud, 1708 01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:57,760 Speaker 2: of course you do. 1709 01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,720 Speaker 1: You don't have a job. And then you read Y 1710 01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:01,240 Speaker 1: and B. I screamed. 1711 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,519 Speaker 2: She said, he set himself up for that one. They 1712 01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:08,559 Speaker 2: always do, man, they always do. It's so funny too, 1713 01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,080 Speaker 2: because that whole exchange. She never called that man a coon, 1714 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,479 Speaker 2: and he called he cooned himself out, like I know 1715 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:15,320 Speaker 2: you think I'm gonna coon. 1716 01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,160 Speaker 1: It's like, well, I mean, I'm not gonna disagree with you, 1717 01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,839 Speaker 1: but I say it, but you are on to something. 1718 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:29,080 Speaker 2: Okay, you should keep investigating interrogating that impost because. 1719 01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:33,400 Speaker 1: Just saying, all right, the we had some voicemails. 1720 01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,439 Speaker 2: The voicemail line is seven O four five five to 1721 01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,160 Speaker 2: seven zero one eight six. Make sure that two minutes 1722 01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,640 Speaker 2: or less or will get cut off. That's seven O 1723 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:48,280 Speaker 2: four five five seven zero one eight six. And yes, skypeline, 1724 01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,960 Speaker 2: so you know, and I think we only got one 1725 01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,720 Speaker 2: caller this week, but they left three different voicemails CARITHA. 1726 01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:03,360 Speaker 7: Hey, this is Carisa on Twitter, just giving you a call. 1727 01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:04,960 Speaker 4: Like I said. 1728 01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,519 Speaker 7: Before, I think I said all an email. I've been 1729 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,160 Speaker 7: backing up all kinds of notes over the last couple 1730 01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,280 Speaker 7: of weeks, and it's not a good method because of 1731 01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,960 Speaker 7: course I'll never be able to cover anything. But one 1732 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,880 Speaker 7: thing I wanted to talk about is and this is 1733 01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,880 Speaker 7: from a while ago, but Rod and Karen, you were 1734 01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:32,240 Speaker 7: both talking about the problem with offering people advice rather 1735 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:37,400 Speaker 7: than just kind of communicating with people, and that resonated 1736 01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:41,880 Speaker 7: with me really powerfully, just because what I realized, Oh, 1737 01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:45,799 Speaker 7: that's what it was. It was the offering advice because 1738 01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,759 Speaker 7: it keeps you from having to talk about how things 1739 01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:52,960 Speaker 7: are actually operating for you. And that conversation ended up 1740 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,680 Speaker 7: being very affirming for me because I do give a 1741 01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,559 Speaker 7: lot of advice because of the nature of what I do. 1742 01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,559 Speaker 7: I mentor a lot of graduate students and professors of 1743 01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:12,400 Speaker 7: color throughout the US Academy. And what you all made 1744 01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,519 Speaker 7: me realize is that the reason it works so well 1745 01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,960 Speaker 7: is because I always give that advice from a space 1746 01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,240 Speaker 7: of telling them what has worked for me, what the 1747 01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,439 Speaker 7: challenges have been. You know what I feel I've learned 1748 01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,240 Speaker 7: from those challenges, So you all just kind of confirmed 1749 01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,439 Speaker 7: for me the SA's part of why it works is 1750 01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:36,000 Speaker 7: that there's still that vulnerability on my side too. It's 1751 01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:40,280 Speaker 7: not just about pontificating, but really truly connecting in a 1752 01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,320 Speaker 7: way that can help them navigate as well. So that 1753 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,240 Speaker 7: was just an affirming moment. There's all kinds of other 1754 01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,680 Speaker 7: stuff I want to say, anyway, I guess I'll just 1755 01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:53,320 Speaker 7: say I'm listening and enjoying and thank you for everything, 1756 01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:54,479 Speaker 7: and you'll get your gifts soon. 1757 01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,439 Speaker 2: So one I see you two have two more messages, 1758 01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,439 Speaker 2: but gonna start right here real quick. Yeah, and I 1759 01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,439 Speaker 2: wasn't really talking about necessarily job related advice and stuff, 1760 01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,280 Speaker 2: you know, like if you're in a capacity like universities 1761 01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,200 Speaker 2: and mentorship and internship and advice and all this stuff 1762 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:18,880 Speaker 2: is kind of built into what y'all do, like mentoring. 1763 01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,040 Speaker 1: Mentoring relationships and stuff. 1764 01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,400 Speaker 2: What I think what I'm scared of with those relationships 1765 01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,720 Speaker 2: a little bit is that their rife for setups for 1766 01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,200 Speaker 2: abuse and power dynamics and stuff. But you know, it's 1767 01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,280 Speaker 2: also part of the job. How are you gonnack learn 1768 01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,479 Speaker 2: without a person? Kind of even looking out for you 1769 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:40,240 Speaker 2: or giving you advice. And also when people give advice 1770 01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,719 Speaker 2: when it's asked for, you know, or you give advice 1771 01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:47,000 Speaker 2: to somebody you know from a real place, you are, 1772 01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,720 Speaker 2: you are gonna it is gonna be different, you know, 1773 01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,639 Speaker 2: because I think like I, like I said, for example, 1774 01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,360 Speaker 2: I was listen to a podcast they had a guest on. 1775 01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,120 Speaker 2: I wanted to know like more about this person, and 1776 01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,760 Speaker 2: they switched it into like almost an advice because they 1777 01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,920 Speaker 2: were scared to talk about what's really happening with them 1778 01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,799 Speaker 2: as a person. And it's just like this is my brand, 1779 01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:11,479 Speaker 2: I give advice. Cool but also kind of whack, you know, 1780 01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:18,280 Speaker 2: because like the advice paradigm puts you on high because 1781 01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,439 Speaker 2: you're the one with people bringing problems to you as 1782 01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,760 Speaker 2: if you can have all the solutions and that you 1783 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:23,439 Speaker 2: have none. 1784 01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:24,000 Speaker 1: Of the problems. 1785 01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,000 Speaker 2: So it's a way for you to talk about problems 1786 01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,960 Speaker 2: without actually talking about how you dealt with them in 1787 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:29,400 Speaker 2: a lot. 1788 01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:30,320 Speaker 1: Of cases if you choose to. 1789 01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,599 Speaker 2: Now, some people will take that same thing and they 1790 01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,040 Speaker 2: humanize about being like here's how I dealt with this issue, right, 1791 01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,360 Speaker 2: Here's what tripped me up about this. Here's the time 1792 01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,120 Speaker 2: that I failed that you can use to benefit for 1793 01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,280 Speaker 2: you to succeed, stuff like that. So I think, you know, 1794 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,080 Speaker 2: even within that advice thing spectrum, there's types of advice 1795 01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:50,040 Speaker 2: to it. 1796 01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,120 Speaker 1: I just I just don't trust anybody. 1797 01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:57,320 Speaker 2: That switches from giving you a personal discussion to let 1798 01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:58,280 Speaker 2: me give you some advice. 1799 01:26:58,360 --> 01:26:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't like that. 1800 01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,680 Speaker 2: I prefer we talk as equals, and I do that 1801 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,759 Speaker 2: as much as I can with other people. 1802 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,360 Speaker 1: Unless you specifically. 1803 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,760 Speaker 2: Call me and say, I need some advice on this. 1804 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,720 Speaker 2: Can you help me make some decisions about that. I 1805 01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,160 Speaker 2: ain't really interested in telling you what to do, and 1806 01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,479 Speaker 2: you know, plus, I don't want to be responsible for if. 1807 01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:20,120 Speaker 1: You fuck up. Agreed, all right, I'm sorry. We're you 1808 01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:21,000 Speaker 1: gonna say something or no? 1809 01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,000 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm gonna go to the next voicemail then. 1810 01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:29,559 Speaker 2: But uh yeah, man, this this is you know, this 1811 01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:33,240 Speaker 2: is what anything. It's all about context because not all, 1812 01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,080 Speaker 2: you know, not all advice is given place. 1813 01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,120 Speaker 7: All right, we'll shoot. Now that I've made the time 1814 01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:39,880 Speaker 7: to call, I might as well go through my list. 1815 01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,120 Speaker 7: This is Karipa again at prov Cory on Twitter. All right, 1816 01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,000 Speaker 7: So one of the things I wouldn't talk about is, oh, 1817 01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:51,719 Speaker 7: my goodness, when y'all were talking about Black Wall Street 1818 01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,880 Speaker 7: is not proof. The fact that Black Wall Street was 1819 01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,920 Speaker 7: attached is not proof that black capitalism doesn't work. Oh 1820 01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,559 Speaker 7: my god. That resonates so powerfully with the books that 1821 01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,400 Speaker 7: I'm finishing, because part of what I'm arguing is that 1822 01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:10,160 Speaker 7: black success has always beckened the mob. I learned that 1823 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,519 Speaker 7: by writing my first book, Living with Lynching, and this 1824 01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:17,160 Speaker 7: book is continuing that idea, because it's like, if we 1825 01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,040 Speaker 7: know that black success beckens the mob, then how do 1826 01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:24,400 Speaker 7: we understand black culture as always pursuing black success even 1827 01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,840 Speaker 7: while you know it will beck in the mob? And 1828 01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,000 Speaker 7: so the idea that Black Wall Streets being attacked is 1829 01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,320 Speaker 7: not an indictment on capitalism kind of goes along with 1830 01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,519 Speaker 7: the idea of how we need to have a more 1831 01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:40,960 Speaker 7: complex understanding of our forebears. Do you really think that, well, 1832 01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,840 Speaker 7: even if we think about the fifties and sixties, do 1833 01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:48,599 Speaker 7: you really think that black people just uncritically bought into 1834 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,360 Speaker 7: the American dream that you had to believe the heights 1835 01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:53,920 Speaker 7: who want to live in the suburbs. 1836 01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:55,120 Speaker 4: How much sense does. 1837 01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,680 Speaker 7: That make when black people knew damn well that if 1838 01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,080 Speaker 7: they went to the suburbs will be attacked. They were 1839 01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:04,880 Speaker 7: putting targets on their backs when they moved into those 1840 01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,760 Speaker 7: suburban homes. And of course this all goes along with 1841 01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:13,439 Speaker 7: everything you're reading in Wilkerson's The Warmth of other Sons, 1842 01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,759 Speaker 7: which of course I cite in this in the study. 1843 01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,840 Speaker 7: So it's like, we need to have more credit for 1844 01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,639 Speaker 7: our forebears. They're not just uncritically buying into the American dream. 1845 01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,839 Speaker 7: Maybe we need to think about how they're defining success 1846 01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:29,519 Speaker 7: for themselves, and that their definition of success sometimes is 1847 01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,360 Speaker 7: gonna look like an American definition because they are, after all, 1848 01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,360 Speaker 7: Americans to get cut off. 1849 01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:36,880 Speaker 2: So she got cut off and she left on more 1850 01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:41,320 Speaker 2: but one hundred percent. Like this is the point of 1851 01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,400 Speaker 2: reading about this stuff is not to be like I 1852 01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,320 Speaker 2: better than this more. No, you're reading the better yourself. 1853 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,320 Speaker 2: You're reading the learned stuff. And it also like it 1854 01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,840 Speaker 2: reinforces certain theories and it gives you a longer view 1855 01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,719 Speaker 2: of history and then you can analyze the current structure 1856 01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:59,840 Speaker 2: through that lens, and you like, for example, people will 1857 01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,439 Speaker 2: be you know what I'm saying, jay Z, that's the 1858 01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,719 Speaker 2: real problem. How how are they the real fucking problem? 1859 01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,000 Speaker 2: Like you talking about some people that just barely made 1860 01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,960 Speaker 2: the fucking billionaire mark just now, and now they represent 1861 01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,000 Speaker 2: everything wrong with Black America, Like what the fuck are 1862 01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:14,160 Speaker 2: you talking about? 1863 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,400 Speaker 1: You know? And then the black capitalism won't save us? Cool? 1864 01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,639 Speaker 1: Why the fuck did they destroy Black Wall Street? 1865 01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:19,880 Speaker 7: Then? 1866 01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:22,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, it's not like it was. 1867 01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:23,880 Speaker 1: It was threatening to them. 1868 01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,400 Speaker 2: Our success is threatening when people say let's go back 1869 01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,639 Speaker 2: to segregation. We were doing better under that. Well, when 1870 01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,200 Speaker 2: the fuck did they attack Black Wall Street? 1871 01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:32,559 Speaker 1: They weren't. 1872 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,679 Speaker 2: That wasn't about integration. They were over there, Hey, we're 1873 01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:40,000 Speaker 2: thriving by ourselves. We're doing good, and they said white 1874 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,360 Speaker 2: people could not stand it. 1875 01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:41,960 Speaker 4: You know. 1876 01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,240 Speaker 2: And I think also when you talk about our ancestors, 1877 01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:51,200 Speaker 2: the disrespect that we have for our ancestors, sometimes in 1878 01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:55,920 Speaker 2: our own enthusiasm to pat ourselves on the back, it 1879 01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:56,879 Speaker 2: just would serve. 1880 01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,960 Speaker 1: Us all to know more about them, that's all. 1881 01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:04,639 Speaker 2: Like learn why Like we say stuff like respectability politics 1882 01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:09,880 Speaker 2: is bad, it won't save us. Somebody's respectability politics was revolutionary. 1883 01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,920 Speaker 2: It was in eighteen ninety, in nineteen sixty that shit 1884 01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,840 Speaker 2: was revolutionary. The idea of being like I'm going to 1885 01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,600 Speaker 2: put on a suit is a thing that was not 1886 01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,559 Speaker 2: allowed for black people to do, you know, you know, 1887 01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,519 Speaker 2: even within or outside the confines of a church. Even 1888 01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,479 Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to you know, I want my 1889 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,880 Speaker 2: children to go to school and learn to read was 1890 01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,760 Speaker 2: a revolutionary thing to do. Why are you sending your 1891 01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,800 Speaker 2: child to school when they should be out here picking 1892 01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,280 Speaker 2: coin with the rest of them. You know, White people 1893 01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:43,719 Speaker 2: were threatened by that. They didn't like this shit. Black 1894 01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,680 Speaker 2: people used to go get ed. Man, I'm about to 1895 01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,360 Speaker 2: go on a thing, but in general, Black people would 1896 01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:53,840 Speaker 2: go get educated just to come back here and be 1897 01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,000 Speaker 2: told they could not work in the field of their education. 1898 01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:00,880 Speaker 1: Think about that. 1899 01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,080 Speaker 2: They went out without a plan, They went out and 1900 01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:07,160 Speaker 2: learned something they knew they may never even be able 1901 01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,920 Speaker 2: to practice. You know, the cost of racism in America 1902 01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,200 Speaker 2: is so fucking vast and incalculable because there's so many stories. 1903 01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:16,960 Speaker 1: We know, the stories of the successes. 1904 01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,639 Speaker 2: What about all the other people, all the people that 1905 01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,439 Speaker 2: I went to school, got my degree, I could be 1906 01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,439 Speaker 2: a doctor, and I'm now I'm just picking con for 1907 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,280 Speaker 2: rest my fucking life, you know. 1908 01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:28,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's. 1909 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,960 Speaker 2: It frustrates me even to this day to see people 1910 01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,599 Speaker 2: kind of shit on Dader generation and I think it's 1911 01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:38,599 Speaker 2: to our own detriment. 1912 01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:40,040 Speaker 1: We don't have to. 1913 01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,320 Speaker 2: Agree with everything, but we could learn and if we 1914 01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:46,240 Speaker 2: have some respect for their struggle and the fights that 1915 01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,680 Speaker 2: were different than the ones we're fighting now, and the 1916 01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,599 Speaker 2: things that are similar now, and the ideas that are 1917 01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,120 Speaker 2: similar now, we would I think we all be increased 1918 01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,599 Speaker 2: as human beings, We all be better off as opposed 1919 01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,599 Speaker 2: to just being like black or white bag. I think 1920 01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:06,400 Speaker 2: it's too simplistic a place to analyze this stuff. One 1921 01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:09,160 Speaker 2: of the things I keep thinking about today because I'm 1922 01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:14,000 Speaker 2: reading so much about the past, is Steven A. Smith 1923 01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:19,599 Speaker 2: versus everybody else when it comes to the Kaepernick shit 1924 01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:24,120 Speaker 2: right now, and I keep seeing I see threads of 1925 01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:28,960 Speaker 2: Stephen A. Smith's mentality in these black folks that fought. 1926 01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,479 Speaker 2: They weren't just like laying down as coons, but they 1927 01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:35,000 Speaker 2: fought to get someplace and still. 1928 01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,880 Speaker 1: Gave back and appreciate it. 1929 01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,200 Speaker 2: It helped out the generations coming up after them, even 1930 01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:44,040 Speaker 2: knowing that those generations would do it differently, you know, 1931 01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,720 Speaker 2: And I think that that's something we have lost kind of, 1932 01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:50,080 Speaker 2: you know, going to an HBCU, getting that speech from 1933 01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:53,080 Speaker 2: the people that had jobs whose job was to come 1934 01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:54,519 Speaker 2: in and talk to us as students and be like, 1935 01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:56,720 Speaker 2: here's the things you're gonna need to do to be 1936 01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:59,720 Speaker 2: able to succeed in corporate America. And they say you 1937 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:01,639 Speaker 2: got to cut your dreads off, and some people will 1938 01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,639 Speaker 2: get offended and leave the room. And at the same time, 1939 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,840 Speaker 2: like those people didn't say this shit out of nowhere, 1940 01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:08,840 Speaker 2: then just come up here and say I hate black 1941 01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:10,280 Speaker 2: people with dreads, you niggers. 1942 01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,920 Speaker 1: No, they cared about us, and this was the mess. 1943 01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:16,559 Speaker 2: It wasn't the lesson that made us feel the best, 1944 01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:18,680 Speaker 2: but it was the one that probably gonna help you 1945 01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:20,960 Speaker 2: get the job. And we need to reconcile with all 1946 01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,720 Speaker 2: of that shit as opposed to being so woke that 1947 01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,640 Speaker 2: you know it's more about dunking on people to our 1948 01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:27,360 Speaker 2: own detriment. 1949 01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And sometimes I think some people are simplistic, even 1950 01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:34,479 Speaker 3: Black people are simplistic about our own history. 1951 01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:41,360 Speaker 4: A lot of people try to act like slaves and people. 1952 01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,040 Speaker 3: From our past were just dumb, like they didn't come 1953 01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,120 Speaker 3: up with no ideas, And a lot of a lot of 1954 01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,240 Speaker 3: this is because of white supremacy of not showing and 1955 01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:51,040 Speaker 3: teaching us they were dumb, they didn't know no better 1956 01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,599 Speaker 3: and shit like that when you like, well, that's. 1957 01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:57,840 Speaker 4: Not actually true. And any idea. 1958 01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:01,760 Speaker 3: That you come up with today, somebody else, at some 1959 01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:06,599 Speaker 3: period of time has tried to execute that in some way, shape, form, 1960 01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:10,960 Speaker 3: or fashion in all types of ways. So it's like 1961 01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,559 Speaker 3: the ideas are not new underneath the sun. The problem 1962 01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,919 Speaker 3: is the system, right, and the way the system is designed. 1963 01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,559 Speaker 3: And the problem is is like you said, it's a 1964 01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:23,040 Speaker 3: macro thing, not a micro thing. 1965 01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:26,000 Speaker 1: And it keeps changing, right, And it keeps changing, It. 1966 01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:29,880 Speaker 3: Keeps evolving because racism went from hanging on the tree 1967 01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,000 Speaker 3: to now we're passing laws from now we're passing laws 1968 01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:34,720 Speaker 3: to voter suppression. 1969 01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,360 Speaker 4: From vote like it keeps morphine from voter suppression to. 1970 01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,240 Speaker 3: Mandatory sentences like it always evolved. 1971 01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,439 Speaker 4: It will always be there and it will always be 1972 01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:45,120 Speaker 4: around us. 1973 01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,720 Speaker 2: And I feel like we there is so little compassion 1974 01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:49,960 Speaker 2: for black people. 1975 01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,200 Speaker 1: In general. I don't want to contribute to it. 1976 01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:56,600 Speaker 2: So I try to have some level of heart to 1977 01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,799 Speaker 2: the fact that you know, conditions and things are differently 1978 01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,439 Speaker 2: that made people ride at different conclusions, and I think 1979 01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:03,439 Speaker 2: it's it's. 1980 01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,320 Speaker 1: Kind of important that we don't lose that. 1981 01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,200 Speaker 2: And it feels like we are losing that more and more, 1982 01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,640 Speaker 2: but hopefully we can get it back. I think, you know, 1983 01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:14,560 Speaker 2: hopefully the internet can be used as a tool to 1984 01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:18,120 Speaker 2: educate people about these kind of things as opposed to 1985 01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,160 Speaker 2: something that strips context away and just I hate this 1986 01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,439 Speaker 2: person and I hate that person. I would love for 1987 01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,760 Speaker 2: people to kind of be able to pick out the 1988 01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,680 Speaker 2: bigger picture and be like, there's a reason so and 1989 01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,639 Speaker 2: so says like, like I said, great interview with all 1990 01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:36,760 Speaker 2: of all of the Smoke with Steven A. Smith, one 1991 01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:40,719 Speaker 2: of my favorite interviews of the year probably, and when 1992 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,839 Speaker 2: he talks to stack jack Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes 1993 01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,599 Speaker 2: and they're now trying to be you know, they work 1994 01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:53,080 Speaker 2: on TV, they do commentary and analysis, and he says, 1995 01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,559 Speaker 2: I think he was talking to Stephen Jackson, and after 1996 01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,920 Speaker 2: Stephen Jackson did a good job on the show whatever, 1997 01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:01,160 Speaker 2: he pulled them to this. I need to said, now, Steven, 1998 01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:04,680 Speaker 2: you're doing a good job and if you want, you know, 1999 01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,000 Speaker 2: if you want to have a future here, you should 2000 01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,000 Speaker 2: go ahead and get you some nice tailored suits. Now, 2001 01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,680 Speaker 2: out of context, I can see people if I just 2002 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,519 Speaker 2: wrote that he said that on Twitter nothing else, people 2003 01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,479 Speaker 2: would be like, see that fucking respectability politics. 2004 01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,479 Speaker 1: Coon, that's because that's what we're comfortable doing now. 2005 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,880 Speaker 2: But Stephen Jackson was like, and I thank them, and 2006 01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:27,679 Speaker 2: I did get some suits and now I work. 2007 01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm working here and I'm doing I'm trying to come 2008 01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:30,680 Speaker 1: up trying to. 2009 01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:35,120 Speaker 2: Get like him to an analysis and analytics, sports analytics 2010 01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:38,920 Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, personalities. He's like you are Lebron James, 2011 01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:43,640 Speaker 2: you know, like in the sports right, but compared to 2012 01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,920 Speaker 2: how people view him outside. 2013 01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:49,080 Speaker 1: That industry or on Twitter or whatever, totally different. Right. 2014 01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,600 Speaker 2: And this is not to say obviously you've listened to 2015 01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,880 Speaker 2: sy'all and agree with everything this nigga says, But the 2016 01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:58,880 Speaker 2: point being, there was something more to it than just 2017 01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:03,000 Speaker 2: Coon or not black and white bad are good. And 2018 01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,479 Speaker 2: I think that's the part that just we've lost so 2019 01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:09,320 Speaker 2: much of via the internet, and I wish we I 2020 01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,160 Speaker 2: don't think know how we get it back, but we've 2021 01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:11,600 Speaker 2: lost it. 2022 01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:12,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and. 2023 01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,599 Speaker 3: It's frustrating. There are some things like you said that 2024 01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:20,679 Speaker 3: there's fucking just good advice and if you quote unquote 2025 01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,960 Speaker 3: say these things online, it's not politically correct. 2026 01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:26,200 Speaker 4: But honestly, the people just complain online. 2027 01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:28,320 Speaker 3: They fall on the same fucking rules less they wouldn't 2028 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:29,400 Speaker 3: have a job and they wouldn't be working. 2029 01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:30,519 Speaker 4: So what are we talking about here? 2030 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just complicated, man. And I get 2031 01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:37,320 Speaker 2: some of us aspirational, like we don't want to have 2032 01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,600 Speaker 2: to do these things, but I mean the truth of 2033 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,280 Speaker 2: the matter is that's kind of how things are gonna 2034 01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:42,960 Speaker 2: be structured. 2035 01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:46,000 Speaker 1: And I you know, imagine. 2036 01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:47,760 Speaker 2: You have a child, right, you have a child, you 2037 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,080 Speaker 2: raise this motherfucker up. They're eighteen or whatever. They ready 2038 01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,040 Speaker 2: to go get a job doing a certain thing. And 2039 01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:59,240 Speaker 2: you know nobody that does this job is doing BLANK. Right, 2040 01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,720 Speaker 2: So I go a listen, son, I know you want 2041 01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,600 Speaker 2: to get this face tattoo, but if you get this 2042 01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,360 Speaker 2: face tattoo, they're not gonna let you work at BLANK. 2043 01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:14,200 Speaker 2: As a parent, I'd be irresponsible to be like, nah, look, 2044 01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,160 Speaker 2: fuck respectability, get that face tattoo. 2045 01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:16,840 Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. 2046 01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:19,839 Speaker 2: Hey, if they won't hire you out there, Bank of America, 2047 01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,040 Speaker 2: they can kiss my ass. 2048 01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:21,800 Speaker 1: They should hire you. 2049 01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:24,840 Speaker 2: And it's like, what now, I'm irresponsible because I just 2050 01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,519 Speaker 2: let you do something without even giving you the fucking 2051 01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:31,439 Speaker 2: you know the full context of what this decision you're 2052 01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,519 Speaker 2: making could be. I'm not talking about forbidding or not forbidding. 2053 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,840 Speaker 2: I'm talking about even giving you the information, and like, 2054 01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:41,000 Speaker 2: now there's a decisions you make that like we are 2055 01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:42,120 Speaker 2: now frowning on. 2056 01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:46,320 Speaker 1: That, and I think that's very destructive. The part of 2057 01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:47,559 Speaker 1: the book I'm in now for. 2058 01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:52,280 Speaker 2: Warmth of other sons, they talk about how other black 2059 01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:54,519 Speaker 2: people who have been in the North and in the 2060 01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:57,920 Speaker 2: West for a little bit longer then the black people 2061 01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:01,400 Speaker 2: coming up from the South, who are my greating resented 2062 01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:05,360 Speaker 2: those black people because here you come with your unsophisticated, 2063 01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:08,439 Speaker 2: naive country ass ways. And I've been sitting in this 2064 01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:10,680 Speaker 2: city trying to get respect from these white posts so 2065 01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:11,880 Speaker 2: I can get this type of job. 2066 01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:13,519 Speaker 1: And so you got your own black. 2067 01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,280 Speaker 2: People hating on you for doing what they just did 2068 01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:20,479 Speaker 2: a generation earlier, or what like their parents did during 2069 01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:23,680 Speaker 2: the Civil War or something like that, and now you 2070 01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:27,280 Speaker 2: come up in nineteen thirty five and they're like, fuck you, 2071 01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:30,040 Speaker 2: your country. You're the reason that things are bad for us. 2072 01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:33,320 Speaker 2: Like it's that type of internal conflict that we're constantly 2073 01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:37,040 Speaker 2: end and I'm trying to, you know, undo it for myself, 2074 01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:39,200 Speaker 2: you know, And some people I talk to people all 2075 01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,400 Speaker 2: the time that I could tell that I'm the weird 2076 01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:43,479 Speaker 2: win when I'm like, yeah, I used to feel this 2077 01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,080 Speaker 2: way about, you know, certain type of people that you know, 2078 01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:49,360 Speaker 2: black people with this type of opinion, but I just stopped, 2079 01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:51,840 Speaker 2: you know, and I can always feel them kind of, 2080 01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:54,920 Speaker 2: you know, judging a little bit like, well, I'm gonna 2081 01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,559 Speaker 2: keep holding on to Hey, I didn't tell you what 2082 01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:58,960 Speaker 2: to do, but I'm letting that shit go cause I 2083 01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,400 Speaker 2: knew it was from a band place, you know. 2084 01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,280 Speaker 1: All right, last voicemail, Okay, it. 2085 01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:08,719 Speaker 7: Would be seriously obnoxious. This is KRISA at Cross Coora. 2086 01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:11,360 Speaker 7: It was seriously abnoxious for me to go through my 2087 01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:13,479 Speaker 7: whole list I go out like that. But I'm going 2088 01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:15,960 Speaker 7: to try to tell these two things in this two 2089 01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:20,080 Speaker 7: minute second one I have to say that and this 2090 01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,880 Speaker 7: was from Ball's Deep, But I love the fact that 2091 01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,920 Speaker 7: y'all talked about the way that Michael Vick and people 2092 01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:28,160 Speaker 7: not being able to forgive him, White people not being 2093 01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:33,120 Speaker 7: able to forgive him has everything to do with caring 2094 01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:37,559 Speaker 7: more about animals than about people, and Karen particularly was 2095 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,720 Speaker 7: really clear about that. And I just wanted to say, 2096 01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,440 Speaker 7: part of the reason that resonates with me so powerfully 2097 01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:48,000 Speaker 7: is because I've been you know, a fairly serious runner 2098 01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:52,320 Speaker 7: for several years now, and running in my neighborhood, which 2099 01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:55,439 Speaker 7: is a very mixed neighborhood, but still a neighborhood where 2100 01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:57,920 Speaker 7: I'm running into a lot of white people with their dogs. 2101 01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:01,599 Speaker 7: I'm often struck by degree to which they care much 2102 01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,960 Speaker 7: more about those dogs than they will ever care about me. 2103 01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:07,240 Speaker 7: So if something happened to that dog, they would be devastated, 2104 01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,800 Speaker 7: But if the police shot me in front of them, 2105 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,400 Speaker 7: they would be sure that I deserved it somehow. So 2106 01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:17,519 Speaker 7: I think that this country teaches white people to have 2107 01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,879 Speaker 7: a kind of empathy for animals that they never extend 2108 01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,000 Speaker 7: to us. And so I just thought you all were 2109 01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:26,760 Speaker 7: really on point with that, and that I think is 2110 01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,320 Speaker 7: historically grounded, and I can say more about all of 2111 01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,000 Speaker 7: those historically grounded things. 2112 01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:31,240 Speaker 1: That I want. 2113 01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,120 Speaker 7: But then, the only other thing I wanted to mention is, 2114 01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:38,800 Speaker 7: you know, the tendency that you all talked about was 2115 01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:42,280 Speaker 7: trying not to be too hard on black creatives. That 2116 01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,160 Speaker 7: resonated with me because one of the things I keep 2117 01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:48,720 Speaker 7: myself in check about is not being xtra disappointed when 2118 01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:52,880 Speaker 7: I'm teaching African American literature, extra disappointed in black students. 2119 01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:56,400 Speaker 7: They deserve to be students like anybody else, and for 2120 01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:59,400 Speaker 7: me to put more expectation on them isn't how I 2121 01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:01,360 Speaker 7: want to roll. So I try to keep myself in 2122 01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:02,560 Speaker 7: check with chat. 2123 01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:04,160 Speaker 1: All right, that was the last one. 2124 01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:08,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, I totally understanding that too, because it's like 2125 01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,439 Speaker 2: that extra pressure, like this is important, it's your history. 2126 01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:13,760 Speaker 1: But they'll come to it when they come to it. 2127 01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:18,040 Speaker 2: And honestly, a good teacher sometimes the lesson you're teaching 2128 01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:20,880 Speaker 2: people isn't right for now, like they might not be 2129 01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:22,840 Speaker 2: ready for it, but they'll remember that shit. 2130 01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:23,559 Speaker 1: You know. 2131 01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,560 Speaker 2: It's like stuff your parents tell you when you're a 2132 01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,360 Speaker 2: kid that you're not you haven't got that point yet. 2133 01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,400 Speaker 2: But then one day you're thirty five and you're like, fuck, 2134 01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:32,360 Speaker 2: that's what they meant. 2135 01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:34,360 Speaker 4: You think they just yea and talking. 2136 01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the good teachers do that too, where it's like, 2137 01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,840 Speaker 2: you know, oh, this is why this was important, you know, 2138 01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:44,559 Speaker 2: but you can't make people take it, you know, let 2139 01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,120 Speaker 2: me pause it, so we go to the next session. 2140 01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:47,639 Speaker 1: All right, we're back. 2141 01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:50,479 Speaker 2: Not the thing I did want to say, though, is 2142 01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:52,120 Speaker 2: because I did talk about it on Balls Deep. 2143 01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:55,559 Speaker 1: But one of the things for Mike Vicks. 2144 01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,640 Speaker 2: I don't know what you call it now, but I 2145 01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:07,800 Speaker 2: don't know like the anger towards him. I understand the 2146 01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:11,160 Speaker 2: people that don't want to forgive them, because that's people 2147 01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:14,439 Speaker 2: that you know, I would never forgive for certain shit. 2148 01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:14,840 Speaker 1: You know. 2149 01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:20,960 Speaker 2: I also understand the idea that, yeah, he paid his time, 2150 01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:21,360 Speaker 2: and I. 2151 01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:22,200 Speaker 1: Still don't give a fuck. 2152 01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,080 Speaker 2: There's gonna be people like that when amberg Geger gets 2153 01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:29,280 Speaker 2: out of prison. You know, there's gonna be people that, Uh, 2154 01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,559 Speaker 2: there's people like that all the time. We feel about right, 2155 01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:37,920 Speaker 2: And I just think what bothers me the most is 2156 01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:42,080 Speaker 2: that white people are never going to be able to 2157 01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:47,440 Speaker 2: relate or understand the complexity that a black person feels. 2158 01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:47,840 Speaker 1: About Mike Vick. 2159 01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:52,760 Speaker 2: They don't even recognize that they're the only ones who 2160 01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:56,360 Speaker 2: are this fucking angry about this man. That that should 2161 01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,880 Speaker 2: tell them everything. Whether you're well intended, righteous or not. 2162 01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,280 Speaker 2: You can't possibly put to the side your feelings enough 2163 01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:05,600 Speaker 2: to look at the circle of people around you and 2164 01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:08,400 Speaker 2: realize there's no black people in that circle. 2165 01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,439 Speaker 1: You think we just all fucking hate dogs. You think 2166 01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:14,600 Speaker 1: that's what it is. You think we're all so racist. 2167 01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:16,360 Speaker 2: That we're like a black man should kill dogs and 2168 01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:20,800 Speaker 2: we don't care. That's not what it is. And it's 2169 01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:26,480 Speaker 2: hard to articulate because when I've listened to several podcasts, 2170 01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:28,519 Speaker 2: you know, with white people on them that have talked 2171 01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,360 Speaker 2: about this thing, and they just don't get it, and 2172 01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,320 Speaker 2: they're never they're never gonna get it, and I'm never 2173 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:36,240 Speaker 2: gonna not get it. 2174 01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:39,080 Speaker 1: And the best way I can. 2175 01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:43,519 Speaker 2: Describe it is it is not to me about Michael 2176 01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:47,559 Speaker 2: Vick as a black man, and like, y'all racist because 2177 01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:50,240 Speaker 2: y'all don't fuck with Michael Vick. A lot of black 2178 01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,800 Speaker 2: people will say that, but that's not one hundred percent 2179 01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,400 Speaker 2: accurate because he's saying white people also don't give a 2180 01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,679 Speaker 2: fuck about like ray Rice. 2181 01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:04,240 Speaker 1: They don't care about Kobe Bryant, they don't. 2182 01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:07,640 Speaker 2: Care about Mike Tyson, like they're not angry at them 2183 01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:10,759 Speaker 2: in the same way. Even if they think those people 2184 01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,000 Speaker 2: committed all those crimes, they still aren't angry in the 2185 01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:13,439 Speaker 2: same way. 2186 01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:14,920 Speaker 1: There's a reason that. 2187 01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:18,439 Speaker 2: Mike vic is a separate type of thing, and it's 2188 01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:21,639 Speaker 2: not just as simple as race. If that was the case, 2189 01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:24,479 Speaker 2: they be keeping that same energy with every black person 2190 01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:25,479 Speaker 2: who ever did a crime. 2191 01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:29,240 Speaker 1: The thing for me is. 2192 01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:33,719 Speaker 2: Knowing what I know reading what I read, thinking about 2193 01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:38,160 Speaker 2: what I think about when I read about like a 2194 01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:43,200 Speaker 2: lynching of a black person and the savagery that those 2195 01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:44,600 Speaker 2: black bodies are treated. 2196 01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,320 Speaker 1: With, and. 2197 01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:54,719 Speaker 2: The crowds, the events, the cookouts, the picnics. These were 2198 01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:59,800 Speaker 2: white people mostly sometimes black people in the crowd too, 2199 01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:04,880 Speaker 2: But these are white people who saw no humanity in 2200 01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,160 Speaker 2: those black people, and they did worse things these black 2201 01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:10,439 Speaker 2: bodies than white people than than mike Vic did to 2202 01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,760 Speaker 2: those dogs. And know, the things that mike Vic did 2203 01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:17,360 Speaker 2: to those dogs were fucking psychotic, Like there's no there's 2204 01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:19,519 Speaker 2: no way to read about his crimes and not go 2205 01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:22,639 Speaker 2: or that, you know, and go, that's just totally reasonable, 2206 01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,280 Speaker 2: Like it's serial killer shit that they that he was doing, 2207 01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:28,120 Speaker 2: and he did those things himself, you know, like. 2208 01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:30,400 Speaker 1: There's just not a way to sugarcoat that. 2209 01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:37,519 Speaker 2: So knowing that worse was done to black bodies in 2210 01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:41,800 Speaker 2: this country and the rage is not. 2211 01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,439 Speaker 1: There, right, is. 2212 01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:53,280 Speaker 2: Hard for me to reconcile with that because white people and. 2213 01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,080 Speaker 1: Their grandparents and their great grandparents they did that. 2214 01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:00,680 Speaker 2: They are the progeny of that. And in order for 2215 01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,240 Speaker 2: me to exist as a black person in this country, 2216 01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:10,599 Speaker 2: I've had to get used to that, that idea that 2217 01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:14,719 Speaker 2: you've you know, I won't even repeat the atrocities here 2218 01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:17,720 Speaker 2: because I know it's triggering the people to hear it. 2219 01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:19,599 Speaker 1: But you can go read about. 2220 01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,120 Speaker 2: It easily and the things, and you can read about 2221 01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,160 Speaker 2: what mike Vic did those dogs, And I'm telling you, 2222 01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:29,080 Speaker 2: white people did worse to black people's bodies, and they 2223 01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:29,719 Speaker 2: just got. 2224 01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:34,799 Speaker 1: To go on and live. They got jobs, They produce family. 2225 01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,920 Speaker 2: They people that are upset at Mike Vic are the 2226 01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:40,280 Speaker 2: offspring of these people. 2227 01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:45,280 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I can't. 2228 01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:49,519 Speaker 2: Reconcile their anger in this case because it's like, so 2229 01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:54,000 Speaker 2: you are capable of being outraged enough to not want 2230 01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:56,000 Speaker 2: a person to even be able to make a living 2231 01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:01,960 Speaker 2: in any positive way. Years later you are capable of 2232 01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:07,000 Speaker 2: it then, So if you are capable of it, why 2233 01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:11,040 Speaker 2: the fuck doesn't that energy carry over to these other atrocities. 2234 01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:16,400 Speaker 2: And I wish I was big enough to get over it, 2235 01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:18,880 Speaker 2: but I can't. 2236 01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:22,920 Speaker 1: It's really fucking with me. And when I hear them 2237 01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,320 Speaker 1: express this rage, I get mad. 2238 01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:31,160 Speaker 2: Right And you know, I know enough to know they 2239 01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:33,360 Speaker 2: haven't thought of it that way because they can't think 2240 01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:36,320 Speaker 2: of it that way because their lives are so fucking 2241 01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:39,959 Speaker 2: separate from my experience in this country. They'll never understand 2242 01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:42,040 Speaker 2: what the fuck I'm trying to convey to them. Black 2243 01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:44,719 Speaker 2: people hearing the sound of my voice know right now 2244 01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,479 Speaker 2: exactly what I mean. They're like, yes, that what the fuck? 2245 01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:51,120 Speaker 2: They look at us like we're the ones who are crazy. 2246 01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:56,400 Speaker 2: But you have forgiven so much from white people. 2247 01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:58,440 Speaker 1: Who have done so much to us. 2248 01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:04,120 Speaker 2: You forgive these police ease officers, you you forgive these politicians, 2249 01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:09,880 Speaker 2: You forgive the fucking the racist among you. You know, 2250 01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:16,839 Speaker 2: you you forget, You forgive so much, and yet you 2251 01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:21,160 Speaker 2: you are incapable of forgiving this man, you know, and 2252 01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:23,200 Speaker 2: I and like I said, if it was consistent, I 2253 01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:24,040 Speaker 2: think I could. 2254 01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:24,920 Speaker 1: Respect it same. 2255 01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:30,240 Speaker 5: But it's not consistent. You know, You're you're capable of 2256 01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:33,519 Speaker 5: sitting with George W. 2257 01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:37,799 Speaker 2: Bush and going, hey, you know that he was a president. 2258 01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:39,400 Speaker 1: You're capable of that. 2259 01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:43,719 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not saying that that's a bad thing 2260 01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:47,680 Speaker 2: to be capable of that, But then you are incapable 2261 01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:54,040 Speaker 2: of this, and I can't fucking process it, you know. 2262 01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:59,280 Speaker 2: So I think that's what, uh, That's what I've been 2263 01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:00,280 Speaker 2: feeling about. 2264 01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:00,880 Speaker 1: Michael Vick. 2265 01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:03,519 Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't want to just turn 2266 01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:07,400 Speaker 2: it into oh, y'all hate black people shit, But y'all have. 2267 01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:09,640 Speaker 1: Accepted the hate of black people. It's what it is. 2268 01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:11,840 Speaker 1: It's not just that y'all hate. 2269 01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:15,479 Speaker 2: It's not if you don't individually hate us that I don't, okay, 2270 01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:19,920 Speaker 2: but you have at least tolerated and accepted this hatred 2271 01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:25,280 Speaker 2: of us. You are not keeping the same energy. And 2272 01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:28,679 Speaker 2: maybe you do feel like dogs are better than humans. 2273 01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:32,280 Speaker 2: I've heard a man, Andy Klein, who I respect tremendously, 2274 01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:35,920 Speaker 2: on Three Guys on he talked about how, you know, 2275 01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:39,679 Speaker 2: there's a commonality black people who have been done wrong 2276 01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:43,920 Speaker 2: by other human beings should feel like, yes, an animal. 2277 01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:44,800 Speaker 1: Would never do that to you. 2278 01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:48,000 Speaker 2: You know that the fucking a dog is better than 2279 01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,439 Speaker 2: a human beings, So killing an innocent dog, it can 2280 01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:54,639 Speaker 2: almost be more make you more mad. And there's two 2281 01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,080 Speaker 2: things of that. One is a joke that often make 2282 01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,519 Speaker 2: but it's I'm kind of low key serious. Dogs are 2283 01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,559 Speaker 2: on the wrong out of civil rights. Dogs been attacking 2284 01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:04,200 Speaker 2: black people as long as we've been in this country. 2285 01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:07,400 Speaker 2: So the reverence that white people hold dogs with will 2286 01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:09,280 Speaker 2: never be shared by black people. 2287 01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:12,479 Speaker 1: It will never be shared it'll never be. 2288 01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:15,120 Speaker 2: Shared, so you gotta get over that, and that's just 2289 01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:16,920 Speaker 2: a privilege of not having experience it. 2290 01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:17,639 Speaker 1: But then the. 2291 01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:21,040 Speaker 2: Second part is this, Black people have never even been 2292 01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:24,799 Speaker 2: treated as good as dogs. Right. We have been trying 2293 01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:29,800 Speaker 2: to our whole fucking lives to have our humanity respected 2294 01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:33,519 Speaker 2: as equal to a to a human fucking being. 2295 01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:37,320 Speaker 1: We haven't gotten there yet. So fuck these dogs, is 2296 01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:38,519 Speaker 1: what a lot of Black people. 2297 01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:41,000 Speaker 5: Are thinking when we see the fucking pedals that the 2298 01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:43,800 Speaker 5: dog gets put on. That will never fucking achieve because 2299 01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:46,879 Speaker 5: we can't even get equal to white people. So you're 2300 01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:50,120 Speaker 5: you're fucking talking about some pine the sky notion that 2301 01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:52,120 Speaker 5: that I refuse to fucking even engage in. 2302 01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:53,679 Speaker 1: We're not there yet. 2303 01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:58,200 Speaker 2: So uh so that's what I think about when I 2304 01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:00,880 Speaker 2: think about the Mike Vic shit is just it's a 2305 01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:03,960 Speaker 2: lot of swirling thoughts that probably sound like an incoherent 2306 01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,640 Speaker 2: rent and it's you know, it's very emotional, and I 2307 01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:10,880 Speaker 2: know that you know, certain people, probably Black people can 2308 01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:12,400 Speaker 2: hear this and they'll they'll relate. 2309 01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,680 Speaker 1: White people feel probably hear this and think it's fucking nonsense. 2310 01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:17,799 Speaker 1: What does that got to do with anything? 2311 01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:22,479 Speaker 2: Exactly? You don't you can't understand. You can't understand. Your 2312 01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:27,000 Speaker 2: life has been too fucking different, it's been too fucking good. 2313 01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:30,720 Speaker 2: You can't understand how I could be like this man 2314 01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:33,479 Speaker 2: did his time. That was a heinous thing he did, 2315 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,240 Speaker 2: But what the fuck else? He plays football, He's gonna 2316 01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:39,519 Speaker 2: be an honorary captain at some stupid ass show thing 2317 01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:42,280 Speaker 2: we're not gonna watch. And it's a fucking field full 2318 01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:44,920 Speaker 2: of people who've done things that I consider to be worse. 2319 01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:46,599 Speaker 1: That's right. 2320 01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:48,439 Speaker 2: I don't think that the dog shit is not to 2321 01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:50,720 Speaker 2: be all end all to what I think is a 2322 01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:53,479 Speaker 2: horrible crime. He's just a one of a monk, one 2323 01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,080 Speaker 2: of many people who have done different crimes. Whether he's 2324 01:53:56,080 --> 01:54:00,919 Speaker 2: trying to rehabilitate whatever, that shit is individualized. Who decides 2325 01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:07,000 Speaker 2: what's okay with rehabilitation, But just knowing that whiteness is 2326 01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:11,160 Speaker 2: so capable of moving the fuck on with the atrocities 2327 01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:13,840 Speaker 2: that have been done to us and many other people. 2328 01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:17,559 Speaker 2: They're just so capable of just that that's the thing 2329 01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:21,200 Speaker 2: that's done, that was in the past. Is what y'all say, Well, 2330 01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:23,600 Speaker 2: that's that was that was that was my ancestor, that 2331 01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:24,120 Speaker 2: wasn't me. 2332 01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:26,080 Speaker 1: Well, what am I supposed to do. 2333 01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:32,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, y'all gonna petition, Uh, y'all, don't petition 2334 01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:34,600 Speaker 2: the cop that tries to get the job in another 2335 01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:36,320 Speaker 2: town after he kills to me. A right, y'all, don't 2336 01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:41,680 Speaker 2: do that, you know, y'all don't fucking you know, motherfuckers 2337 01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:47,000 Speaker 2: gave money to George Zimmermann. You know you let Trump 2338 01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:48,560 Speaker 2: be in the office. 2339 01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:53,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's ridiculous. You think I'm not 2340 01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:54,560 Speaker 1: a serious person. 2341 01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:58,320 Speaker 2: I can't think you're a serious person for being mad 2342 01:54:58,320 --> 01:54:59,520 Speaker 2: about this ship years later. 2343 01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:04,600 Speaker 1: I can't. There's so many fucking other things, you know. 2344 01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:06,720 Speaker 2: So that's where I come from on that, and I 2345 01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:09,240 Speaker 2: hate to bring the show down, but I don't know. 2346 01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:11,080 Speaker 2: I've just been trying to figure out the words for it. 2347 01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:12,360 Speaker 2: And that's as close as I've. 2348 01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:17,840 Speaker 1: Gotten so far. So all right, we got emails. Let's 2349 01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:21,480 Speaker 1: get into them. Some of the emails are actually gifts. 2350 01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,720 Speaker 2: Y'all went on the Amazon wish list, and y'all clicked 2351 01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:29,480 Speaker 2: on because now let me add Kindle books, and y'all know. 2352 01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:31,560 Speaker 1: I loves me my Kindle books. Okay. 2353 01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:33,800 Speaker 2: I almost feel bad for my people, my friends that 2354 01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:35,840 Speaker 2: write book because they always send me the physical copy, 2355 01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:38,000 Speaker 2: and I mean, is it crash to be? 2356 01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:39,440 Speaker 1: Like, can you send me the kindle copy? 2357 01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:41,200 Speaker 2: Because I want to be able to highlight your work 2358 01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:43,200 Speaker 2: and go back and read it later. I like to 2359 01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:46,720 Speaker 2: keep notes. I love the kindle app So this is 2360 01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:51,320 Speaker 2: not an ad kindle, but nigga, it's an ad kendle now, okay. Anyway, 2361 01:55:52,520 --> 01:55:56,600 Speaker 2: Jane sent me the mis event and really you sent 2362 01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:59,080 Speaker 2: us because Karen and I share the same kindle. So 2363 01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:01,360 Speaker 2: if you send it to me, she she probably won't 2364 01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:03,280 Speaker 2: read it, but she can read it if she wants to. 2365 01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:07,520 Speaker 1: The Misadventures are awkward, black girl, He's a Ray's book, 2366 01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:08,720 Speaker 1: she says. 2367 01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:11,600 Speaker 2: Happy Holidays. Here's to her prosperous New Year. You all 2368 01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:12,760 Speaker 2: deserve all the wonderful things. 2369 01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:14,600 Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed the book. I love y'all. 2370 01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:19,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, and yeah, I added some more comedy stuff 2371 01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:22,240 Speaker 2: to my kindle because you know, as y'all can tell, 2372 01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:26,880 Speaker 2: reading about all this stuff sometimes it's like, you know, damn, 2373 01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:29,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna start walking out to the world like all 2374 01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:32,120 Speaker 2: these motherfuckers have to get us, you know, need to be. 2375 01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:32,880 Speaker 1: Able to laugh a little bit. 2376 01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,920 Speaker 4: I don't hat on right. 2377 01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:39,600 Speaker 2: Two thousand and eight amazingly riddled with beautiful blackness. Deshaun 2378 01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:43,160 Speaker 2: writes in Hey, Rod and Karen, hope y'all are having 2379 01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:46,160 Speaker 2: a great day a great holiday season. I've been listening 2380 01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:50,080 Speaker 2: since March and haven't stopped since listening. Stop since listening? 2381 01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:52,600 Speaker 2: Oh wait, I haven'topped listening since I started. 2382 01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:53,560 Speaker 1: Okay, sorry about that. 2383 01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:55,800 Speaker 2: I'm writing in response to Karen's your co hosts not 2384 01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:58,640 Speaker 2: side Kate because women are fucking equal comments about following 2385 01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:00,320 Speaker 2: your heart and working so where. 2386 01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:01,480 Speaker 1: To uplifts you, not drained you. 2387 01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:03,320 Speaker 2: In the beginning of the year, I was working with 2388 01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:05,200 Speaker 2: children with autism, and I love the kids, with the 2389 01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:07,760 Speaker 2: pressure coming from management made me feel like no matter 2390 01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:10,160 Speaker 2: what I did, I was wrong. I was told both 2391 01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:12,120 Speaker 2: that I was too happy and not happy enough with 2392 01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:14,560 Speaker 2: the kids. I was told that my attitude of frustration 2393 01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:17,800 Speaker 2: with a white client was unacceptable after he try tantrum 2394 01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:20,080 Speaker 2: for an hour, peede on the floor, and refused to 2395 01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:22,920 Speaker 2: do anything that day, all while asking a new white 2396 01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:25,600 Speaker 2: girl that had similar issues with clients to be a trainer. 2397 01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:28,680 Speaker 2: And I was told that I was always good and able, 2398 01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:30,760 Speaker 2: almost able to be promoted, but I had to do 2399 01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:32,480 Speaker 2: something else, which they never. 2400 01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:35,520 Speaker 1: Said what it was not be black. In August, I 2401 01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:37,200 Speaker 1: quit and went to a high school. 2402 01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:41,200 Speaker 2: Still working with neurodiverse formally known as disabled students, but 2403 01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:44,600 Speaker 2: now the staff is devoted or trying to be the 2404 01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:46,920 Speaker 2: anti racism, so black kids aren't being sent home for 2405 01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:49,600 Speaker 2: laughing and questioning the teacher there instead of courage to 2406 01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:52,240 Speaker 2: speak their mind even right about it, unlike other schools 2407 01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:53,720 Speaker 2: I've seen here in California. 2408 01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:58,320 Speaker 1: Wow, that is definitely new. Never heard that before. Seemed like, 2409 01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,640 Speaker 1: seems smart, dude. 2410 01:58:00,360 --> 01:58:03,960 Speaker 3: Because children express themselves, and they express themselves in various 2411 01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:06,120 Speaker 3: different forms, and you have to be like, okay, I 2412 01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:07,920 Speaker 3: understand you feel this, but you're gonna have to spress 2413 01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:09,720 Speaker 3: this in the more of a positive manner. 2414 01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:10,600 Speaker 1: And you can't learn. 2415 01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:13,880 Speaker 2: Shit at home, right, so you know, and it keeps 2416 01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:16,040 Speaker 2: it keeps the learning going in a different avenue. That's 2417 01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:17,960 Speaker 2: that's dope that they don't just sit in the kids home. 2418 01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:20,800 Speaker 2: I was a class clown kind. 2419 01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:23,680 Speaker 1: Of kid, so you know, I have my fair share 2420 01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:24,960 Speaker 1: of like you know. 2421 01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:29,000 Speaker 2: Uh, teachers that didn't fuck with me because I was 2422 01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:31,000 Speaker 2: laughing and ship they thought I wasn't smart? 2423 01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:31,839 Speaker 1: What serious? 2424 01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:34,360 Speaker 2: And you know, then the test comes and I get 2425 01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:36,680 Speaker 2: good grades and then you know, then it's. 2426 01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:38,320 Speaker 1: Like, oh, you're different than these other blacks. 2427 01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:42,240 Speaker 2: But it was so such a weird thing because and 2428 01:58:42,360 --> 01:58:43,880 Speaker 2: honestly a lot of it was because I was in 2429 01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:45,000 Speaker 2: classes too low for my. 2430 01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:47,720 Speaker 1: For my ability at the time. 2431 01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:50,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, when kids are bored, they could have food kids do. 2432 01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:53,000 Speaker 2: When they put me in some hard classes and the 2433 01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,200 Speaker 2: folks was not flowing as much, I'm not front. 2434 01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:58,600 Speaker 1: I was like, no, read this chapter one more time. 2435 01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:00,839 Speaker 1: Care keeps keep on living. 2436 01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:04,040 Speaker 2: Your truth sidekick, and Rod keep that, keep them pick 2437 01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:07,240 Speaker 2: me's in line. Thank you have a great holiday. Thank 2438 01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:11,400 Speaker 2: you man, appreciate that it's dope work you're doing. Sorry 2439 01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:14,920 Speaker 2: that you had a bad experience at work. Alisha Wright said, 2440 01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:18,280 Speaker 2: ooh the shade just listening to the feedback show and Rod, 2441 01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:20,840 Speaker 2: you are too funny from this last review to the 2442 01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:23,400 Speaker 2: other one about that started to read the rainbow segment 2443 01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:25,600 Speaker 2: and how did Karen know what the inside of my 2444 01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:26,320 Speaker 2: car look like? 2445 01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:26,920 Speaker 1: Lol? 2446 01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:30,240 Speaker 2: Love you both. Keep the last and five star shows coming. 2447 01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:32,760 Speaker 2: Oh and also, did you know Supernatural had an anime 2448 01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:36,960 Speaker 2: serieses on CWC aka app ROCU Just thought I'll let 2449 01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:40,200 Speaker 2: you know, nah, but I never watched Supernatural I heard 2450 01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:42,280 Speaker 2: it was good, but I just never got into it. 2451 01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:45,760 Speaker 2: I think I was too late, so I probably won't 2452 01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:51,240 Speaker 2: be checking that out. Sorry, John John Wrights in Criminal 2453 01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:56,600 Speaker 2: Liability and HIV Let's see Hi, Rod and Karen love 2454 01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:59,040 Speaker 2: the show. I think I've been listening for eight years. 2455 01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Wow, A hot out out to a day one my friend. 2456 02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:05,360 Speaker 2: I was interested in your take on the issue of 2457 02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:08,520 Speaker 2: criminal liability for knowing the exposure of another person in HIV. 2458 02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:11,560 Speaker 2: Hope this email isn't redundant with other reactions from your listeners. 2459 02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:15,120 Speaker 2: In the medical community, the government does have formidable, potentially 2460 02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:17,640 Speaker 2: coercive powers when it comes to public health. If you 2461 02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:20,200 Speaker 2: have a communicable disease that is judged by the medical 2462 02:00:20,200 --> 02:00:23,200 Speaker 2: community to be a threat, like tuberculosis, ebola, and certain 2463 02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:26,400 Speaker 2: strains of influenza, the Center for Disease Control cannot only 2464 02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:29,440 Speaker 2: take control of your sex life, but literally imprison you 2465 02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:33,040 Speaker 2: against your will, just for having a disease. Another example 2466 02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:38,160 Speaker 2: of the individual rights coming too a conflict with the 2467 02:00:38,160 --> 02:00:40,320 Speaker 2: public health are when we take away the rights of 2468 02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:43,160 Speaker 2: individuals who are by choice not vaccinated. I'm not an 2469 02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:45,200 Speaker 2: expert on the Canadian law, and in general, I think 2470 02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:47,440 Speaker 2: anything that happens between consenting adulse in the bedroom is 2471 02:00:47,480 --> 02:00:49,960 Speaker 2: their business, but it is harmful for someone to not 2472 02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:53,360 Speaker 2: communicate their HIV status to a partner. HIV requires a lifetime, 2473 02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,440 Speaker 2: potentially costly medication and medical care, and the disease is 2474 02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:59,080 Speaker 2: always adapting to our treatments. The moral failure is not 2475 02:00:59,320 --> 02:01:01,520 Speaker 2: in having said exploring the failure to communicate the risk 2476 02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:04,560 Speaker 2: of HIV transmission. If the partner of the HIV effect 2477 02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:07,280 Speaker 2: the person does not know about the HIV, is the 2478 02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:10,600 Speaker 2: intercourse fully consensual? In medicine, we would say that it's 2479 02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:13,640 Speaker 2: not understanding risk and benefits part of the definition of 2480 02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:14,360 Speaker 2: in foreign consent. 2481 02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:18,240 Speaker 3: Uh. For me, you're taking out human behavior, Like I 2482 02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:21,680 Speaker 3: understand the this is by the books. I feel on this, 2483 02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:27,080 Speaker 3: but you're not considering human behavior. Just whence you put 2484 02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:28,040 Speaker 3: these rules in place. 2485 02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:29,640 Speaker 1: Here's what you gots have to add. 2486 02:01:29,640 --> 02:01:32,720 Speaker 2: Also, is it possible to have safe sex while also 2487 02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:38,360 Speaker 2: having HIV? If so, then the need to inform somebody 2488 02:01:38,440 --> 02:01:42,760 Speaker 2: or not inform them isn't necessarily the health risk that 2489 02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:43,720 Speaker 2: you're saying it is. 2490 02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:45,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's like saying. 2491 02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:53,840 Speaker 2: It's like in terms of sexual communication. People, what the 2492 02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,840 Speaker 2: argument that Sarah Schulman is making is like, you know, 2493 02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:58,840 Speaker 2: it's almost like telling someone if you're on the pill 2494 02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:01,840 Speaker 2: or not. But we're using a condom. I don't have 2495 02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:04,840 Speaker 2: to tell you if I'm on a pill. We're using 2496 02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:07,760 Speaker 2: a fucking condom. Now if you and now if you 2497 02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:10,520 Speaker 2: just fucking decide not to use a condom or some shit, Now, 2498 02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:13,960 Speaker 2: that's what we're getting into. The the harm, whether it's rape, 2499 02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:16,680 Speaker 2: the consent and stuff like that. But the idea of 2500 02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:18,520 Speaker 2: having to disclose and I think I've talked about on 2501 02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:20,480 Speaker 2: the show already, but the idea of having to disclose 2502 02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:24,600 Speaker 2: full of your HIV status with someone that you're not 2503 02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:28,640 Speaker 2: going to be communicating, putting in a in a position 2504 02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:31,560 Speaker 2: where you're gonna, you know, communicate this disease to them. 2505 02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:32,960 Speaker 1: I can understand. 2506 02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:35,520 Speaker 2: Why that would, you know, be an issue. Not the 2507 02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:38,720 Speaker 2: other thing you brought up that you know, uh, whether 2508 02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:40,920 Speaker 2: you agree or disagree with that part, that's fine. But 2509 02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:44,960 Speaker 2: the other part that I think you can't really legislate 2510 02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:46,440 Speaker 2: and that you can't really. 2511 02:02:46,240 --> 02:02:49,000 Speaker 1: Prove who the fuck knows if you told them you 2512 02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:49,880 Speaker 1: had HIV or not. 2513 02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,960 Speaker 2: What if I tell you and then later you say 2514 02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:58,840 Speaker 2: I didn't. How can the government get involved in that. 2515 02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:01,480 Speaker 2: You you know what I'm saying, Like, that's the part 2516 02:03:01,480 --> 02:03:03,600 Speaker 2: that I think people haven't considered. It's like, well, yes, 2517 02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:06,080 Speaker 2: this is an ethical it should be illegal. This should 2518 02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:08,080 Speaker 2: be a law once you put it on the books 2519 02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:09,720 Speaker 2: and it's a law. Now it's who gets to the 2520 02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:13,760 Speaker 2: law first, you know. Now, Like I brought up the 2521 02:03:13,800 --> 02:03:17,560 Speaker 2: cases of men giving it to their wives and then 2522 02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:20,560 Speaker 2: accusing the wife of giving it to them, and then 2523 02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:24,040 Speaker 2: the government going you gotta go jail woman. Now we 2524 02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:26,160 Speaker 2: know that the odds of a fucking man getting it 2525 02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:27,600 Speaker 2: from a woman, I like one in a million. 2526 02:03:27,680 --> 02:03:29,040 Speaker 1: But they got to the law. 2527 02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:32,480 Speaker 2: First because the status of victimhood plus the social implications 2528 02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:35,720 Speaker 2: of being gay and being outed as a gay man 2529 02:03:35,880 --> 02:03:39,120 Speaker 2: are too much for these men, so they go no, no, no, no, no, 2530 02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:43,200 Speaker 2: she's the one at fault. So I think there's a lot, 2531 02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:45,760 Speaker 2: Like Karen said, human behavior, there's a lot more to 2532 02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:47,720 Speaker 2: it than just the simple black and white of having 2533 02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:48,240 Speaker 2: a law. 2534 02:03:48,240 --> 02:03:51,240 Speaker 3: Right, because human behavior is the X factor. I do 2535 02:03:51,320 --> 02:03:55,360 Speaker 3: understand what you're saying, but human behavior is unpredictable. 2536 02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:57,160 Speaker 4: You can have these laws, and when. 2537 02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:59,760 Speaker 3: You implement it, human behavior will have to call the 2538 02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:01,920 Speaker 3: law of through change because. 2539 02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:03,800 Speaker 4: They did not work out the way you do. 2540 02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:06,080 Speaker 3: And you're saying this, if I tell you and you 2541 02:04:06,200 --> 02:04:08,280 Speaker 3: kill me, and who's going to be accountable for my 2542 02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:11,360 Speaker 3: death because I told somebody that I had HIV. 2543 02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:13,600 Speaker 1: When you make the rules, the rules don't. 2544 02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:15,320 Speaker 4: Say, well, if you kill me, you can go to jail. 2545 02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:18,520 Speaker 3: No, somebody can claim panic defenses they do for gay 2546 02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:20,160 Speaker 3: and all this shit. You just never know once you 2547 02:04:20,200 --> 02:04:22,920 Speaker 3: once you start implementing all these rules. When it comes 2548 02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:25,040 Speaker 3: down to it, I do understand what you're saying, but 2549 02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:28,000 Speaker 3: at the same time, you have to consider human behavior. 2550 02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:31,000 Speaker 4: And human behavior aren't textbooks aren't They don't go they 2551 02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:32,280 Speaker 4: don't follow rules of textbooks. 2552 02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, the power of the state is just it's too 2553 02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:38,280 Speaker 2: intoxicating for people. Man, They can't handle, you know, things 2554 02:04:38,280 --> 02:04:41,120 Speaker 2: that should be considered conflict, you know, Because then the 2555 02:04:41,160 --> 02:04:45,120 Speaker 2: other argument is, well, if somebody gets HIV, but Canada 2556 02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:52,640 Speaker 2: has the medical facilities and medicines and the government healthcare 2557 02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:55,240 Speaker 2: to make sure that that person can get the drug 2558 02:04:55,240 --> 02:05:00,520 Speaker 2: treatments that will make that HIV essentially non existent, then 2559 02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:01,400 Speaker 2: why is it. 2560 02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:06,000 Speaker 1: Considered a death sentence? Because because literally it's not in Canada. 2561 02:05:06,160 --> 02:05:09,400 Speaker 2: So then what so now, what's the argument, you know, 2562 02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:12,400 Speaker 2: and she just basically breaks down the whole point, which 2563 02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:16,320 Speaker 2: is that the temptation of using the government to incarcerate 2564 02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:19,360 Speaker 2: somebody and to protect you, quote unquote as the victim 2565 02:05:19,560 --> 02:05:24,160 Speaker 2: is driving people to do shit that is wrong. I 2566 02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:26,880 Speaker 2: would speculate that Canadian law was written in response to 2567 02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:31,800 Speaker 2: the possibly exaggerated story of Gieston Douglas, who allegedly who 2568 02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:34,040 Speaker 2: allegedly knowingly passed HIV to a bunch of people in 2569 02:05:34,040 --> 02:05:35,320 Speaker 2: the era when the disease is a deathtiny. 2570 02:05:35,400 --> 02:05:36,320 Speaker 1: She brings that up in the book. 2571 02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:39,360 Speaker 2: All that said, I'm sure the composition and implementation of 2572 02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:42,760 Speaker 2: these laws is enormously biased. We could ask why there 2573 02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:45,280 Speaker 2: are prison terms for people with HIV but not for 2574 02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:46,400 Speaker 2: parents who make their children and. 2575 02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:49,760 Speaker 1: The vectors from measles in the community to the community. 2576 02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:52,240 Speaker 2: Right, because you know, I sometimes people, because that's the 2577 02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:56,440 Speaker 2: other thing. Even without race, HIV is considered a gay disease, 2578 02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:58,880 Speaker 2: and people hate gay people too. Then you throw in 2579 02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:00,960 Speaker 2: the race part and it's like, oh, only the gay 2580 02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:04,640 Speaker 2: black people going to jail or women going to jail 2581 02:06:04,680 --> 02:06:07,840 Speaker 2: instead of the men who clearly got it. Sometimes people 2582 02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:10,600 Speaker 2: with communicable diseases really don't care who they give disease to. 2583 02:06:11,040 --> 02:06:13,000 Speaker 2: And these people will need help or they need to 2584 02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:15,120 Speaker 2: be stopped or both. This is a rare situation that 2585 02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:18,240 Speaker 2: requires that we quarantine and imprison people. I feel, yeah, 2586 02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:20,840 Speaker 2: I know the story. Like Typhoi Mary, I'm not. I 2587 02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:22,800 Speaker 2: hope you'll think I'm just something like weirdo who's just 2588 02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:23,960 Speaker 2: out here like Nigga. 2589 02:06:23,680 --> 02:06:26,360 Speaker 1: Get all the disease, put it on everybody. No vaccines. 2590 02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:30,600 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but I think HIV disclosure is 2591 02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:34,600 Speaker 2: something that is deeper than even vaccination because even if 2592 02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:38,040 Speaker 2: you even if you have HIV and you have sex, 2593 02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:40,960 Speaker 2: but you have it with a condom, you're not passing 2594 02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:43,560 Speaker 2: it to somebody. So now I'm just asking you to 2595 02:06:43,560 --> 02:06:46,000 Speaker 2: disclose this shit, and somebody could really fucking use this 2596 02:06:46,040 --> 02:06:50,680 Speaker 2: against you, you know. So anyway, anyway, I've ordered conflict. 2597 02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:52,200 Speaker 2: It's not abuse, and we'll check it out. Oh what 2598 02:06:52,360 --> 02:06:54,600 Speaker 2: could man? You'll get to all these points, and you know, 2599 02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:56,480 Speaker 2: like I said, you may or may not agree. But 2600 02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:59,440 Speaker 2: she's an activist in this area and has thought about 2601 02:06:59,480 --> 02:07:01,280 Speaker 2: this way more than I have. She talks to other 2602 02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:06,480 Speaker 2: people within the activist community about it and cites their 2603 02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:08,600 Speaker 2: work as well, and I thought, I felt she made 2604 02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:12,000 Speaker 2: a very compelling argument I've never seen before. If the 2605 02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:14,040 Speaker 2: point that she was making was that the only role 2606 02:07:14,080 --> 02:07:16,600 Speaker 2: of law enforces should be as a subordinate to the 2607 02:07:16,600 --> 02:07:19,280 Speaker 2: CDC equivalent, then I can see that. Then again, there's 2608 02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:21,520 Speaker 2: someone a lot about the HIV status, someone I care about, 2609 02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:24,360 Speaker 2: and pass the virus to them, I would want to 2610 02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:27,360 Speaker 2: be there'll be consequences, and everyone should ask the STD 2611 02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:30,680 Speaker 2: question before they have sex. Omission should not be an option. Yeah, 2612 02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:34,240 Speaker 2: but people don't, right, people only wanted with HIV was 2613 02:07:34,280 --> 02:07:34,720 Speaker 2: just weird. 2614 02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:39,120 Speaker 4: And that's the thing is human behavior. Human behavior. People 2615 02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:40,680 Speaker 4: do not ask. 2616 02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:43,320 Speaker 3: They don't ask when people who fuck people, they don't 2617 02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:45,320 Speaker 3: go let me see your let me see your STD 2618 02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:47,440 Speaker 3: status before I fuck you. They don't do this. They 2619 02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:50,280 Speaker 3: don't sound, they don't sign contracts, they don't do this. 2620 02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:53,080 Speaker 2: Not that they shouldn't, not that it's not possible, but 2621 02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:56,160 Speaker 2: just to only pick one of them out and be like, nah, 2622 02:07:56,200 --> 02:07:59,520 Speaker 2: this especially in an age where you know, technically you 2623 02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:02,200 Speaker 2: can live with HIV and not be like, you know, 2624 02:08:02,280 --> 02:08:05,280 Speaker 2: not die from this ship with the right drugs and 2625 02:08:05,320 --> 02:08:10,640 Speaker 2: they're freely available in Canada supposedly, so uh, anyway, he says, 2626 02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:14,600 Speaker 2: I don't really know what your position is on the issue, 2627 02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:16,560 Speaker 2: but I hope the email was informative. 2628 02:08:17,160 --> 02:08:17,480 Speaker 1: PS. 2629 02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:19,960 Speaker 2: Reading Rainbow is awesome, by far, my favorite of all 2630 02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:21,280 Speaker 2: the opening segments over the years. 2631 02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:25,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, John, And yeah, man. 2632 02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:28,000 Speaker 2: I hope you read the book really, because, like I said, 2633 02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:30,200 Speaker 2: it's gonna go into much further detail than I can 2634 02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:34,880 Speaker 2: on this podcast. But I think you'll I think you'll 2635 02:08:34,920 --> 02:08:37,480 Speaker 2: be uh. I think you'll see that she's thought of 2636 02:08:37,480 --> 02:08:43,040 Speaker 2: all these things. Kendle book Christmas gift. Possibly this is 2637 02:08:43,040 --> 02:08:46,920 Speaker 2: by our girl, Tanya Woman Tanya W. Sorry, hierrodic care. 2638 02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:50,320 Speaker 2: Please find below a link to the claim to claim 2639 02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:53,400 Speaker 2: the Kendle version of Michael Twitter's fantastic book The Cooking Jean, 2640 02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:56,760 Speaker 2: A journey through African American culinary history in the Old South. 2641 02:08:57,080 --> 02:09:00,280 Speaker 2: I had sent you the hardcover a while ago, lives 2642 02:09:00,280 --> 02:09:00,960 Speaker 2: of Kendle version. 2643 02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:02,840 Speaker 1: It's so much easier to read. Thank you. That's what 2644 02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:03,400 Speaker 1: I fuck with. 2645 02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:06,760 Speaker 2: I also realized sending the book that's now your wish 2646 02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:09,520 Speaker 2: list is risky. Not really, I'm gonna read this. You 2647 02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:12,560 Speaker 2: might already have it on Kindle or may not be interested. 2648 02:09:12,600 --> 02:09:14,920 Speaker 2: I actually have it on. We had the physical copy, 2649 02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,600 Speaker 2: but I like reading no kindle thank you, So if 2650 02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:19,640 Speaker 2: that's the case, please feel free to exchange it for 2651 02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:22,600 Speaker 2: a gift card. I believe that is an option in 2652 02:09:22,640 --> 02:09:24,600 Speaker 2: the redemption process, or just applies email. 2653 02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:26,080 Speaker 1: I'll send you something from your listen instead. 2654 02:09:26,440 --> 02:09:28,240 Speaker 2: Although I haven't been able to keep up with all 2655 02:09:28,480 --> 02:09:29,880 Speaker 2: the episodes, I love to show it them. 2656 02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:34,840 Speaker 1: Proud to be Premium, all the best, tiny w forty two, very. 2657 02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:38,200 Speaker 2: Sweet, Yeah yeah, we share too, so yeah yeah, and 2658 02:09:38,280 --> 02:09:40,720 Speaker 2: you also send me the spices and now we love 2659 02:09:42,040 --> 02:09:42,560 Speaker 2: fus with that. 2660 02:09:43,080 --> 02:09:45,240 Speaker 1: Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out. 2661 02:09:45,240 --> 02:09:48,600 Speaker 2: This is by Kievis, who says, hey, the blackout tis 2662 02:09:48,640 --> 02:09:50,560 Speaker 2: communicating to ride. So I've been trying to wait on 2663 02:09:50,600 --> 02:09:52,560 Speaker 2: sending the comment till I could sign back up for 2664 02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:55,480 Speaker 2: regular donations. I feel like I'm stealing because I ain't 2665 02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:57,879 Speaker 2: put out put in on it this time. But starting 2666 02:09:58,360 --> 02:10:01,240 Speaker 2: my own consulting business has kept my pockets tight lol. 2667 02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:04,800 Speaker 2: But but in the long run, I'm sure it'll be 2668 02:10:04,840 --> 02:10:05,280 Speaker 2: worth it. 2669 02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:07,640 Speaker 1: But this Orlando Jones issue has sent me off. 2670 02:10:07,960 --> 02:10:10,240 Speaker 2: I know y'all know more about the movie TV industry 2671 02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:12,480 Speaker 2: than me, but I was wondering what y'all think about 2672 02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:16,160 Speaker 2: a delayed protest. Essentially, when these decision makers do some 2673 02:10:16,200 --> 02:10:18,840 Speaker 2: shit like fire actors to tell the Black community how 2674 02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:21,320 Speaker 2: angry they should be allowed to be for centuries of robbery, 2675 02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:23,560 Speaker 2: the humanization, rape, torture, murder, et cetera. 2676 02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:25,280 Speaker 1: We are in our coalition. 2677 02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:28,400 Speaker 2: Don't see the movie or show or products or whatever 2678 02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:31,200 Speaker 2: the opening night, just to let them know you're trying it. 2679 02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:34,160 Speaker 2: Tread lightly after that night, we can all see it 2680 02:10:34,200 --> 02:10:37,280 Speaker 2: and enjoy. But when they see them numbers. 2681 02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:41,880 Speaker 1: They'll know. Yeah. I mean, if we had a monolithic community, 2682 02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:44,480 Speaker 1: maybe somebody I was gonna break the pigot line. 2683 02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:46,640 Speaker 2: Not just somebody. But I just don't think we have 2684 02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:48,120 Speaker 2: unifying causes like that. 2685 02:10:48,200 --> 02:10:48,640 Speaker 4: We don't. 2686 02:10:48,680 --> 02:10:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't even think everybody was watching that show to 2687 02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:52,080 Speaker 1: before that move. 2688 02:10:52,360 --> 02:10:53,320 Speaker 4: I was watching it. 2689 02:10:53,560 --> 02:10:55,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of black people weren't. There's a lot 2690 02:10:55,120 --> 02:10:57,240 Speaker 2: of black people are upset by but don't watch the show. 2691 02:10:57,280 --> 02:10:59,880 Speaker 2: You know, agree, and that shit was wild with the 2692 02:11:00,080 --> 02:11:03,280 Speaker 2: don't judge comment. That is what I be saying when 2693 02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:05,320 Speaker 2: I tell people, don't be so open minded that your 2694 02:11:05,320 --> 02:11:06,160 Speaker 2: brain falls out. 2695 02:11:06,440 --> 02:11:07,320 Speaker 1: Some people are. 2696 02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:10,680 Speaker 2: Hating free will and the truth. This don't be a 2697 02:11:10,760 --> 02:11:13,240 Speaker 2: victim love of abuser ass mentality. If y'all don't like 2698 02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:14,880 Speaker 2: a motherfucker, that person. 2699 02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:15,720 Speaker 1: Should adult up. 2700 02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:18,520 Speaker 2: Yes it's gender neutral and provide a good reason to 2701 02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:21,200 Speaker 2: not hate or do or stop doing the hateable shit. 2702 02:11:21,320 --> 02:11:23,520 Speaker 2: And yeah, all that might not have been a one 2703 02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:26,960 Speaker 2: to one correlation, but I'm just going off lol. Thank 2704 02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:30,640 Speaker 2: you for the great shows. I feel you sometimes. 2705 02:11:31,680 --> 02:11:32,360 Speaker 1: Appreciate you. 2706 02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:38,800 Speaker 2: Leonardo writes, saying cold world, Hello, This is another episode 2707 02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:41,240 Speaker 2: that reminds me of why I fuck with y'all. People 2708 02:11:41,720 --> 02:11:44,280 Speaker 2: these days want to put their personal beliefs on people, 2709 02:11:44,440 --> 02:11:45,800 Speaker 2: and that is one of the reason why I don't 2710 02:11:45,800 --> 02:11:47,720 Speaker 2: mess with to many humans. I grew up in a 2711 02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:50,480 Speaker 2: majority white area, and when I first moved there in 2712 02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:53,400 Speaker 2: the fourth grade, I would fight all the little white 2713 02:11:53,480 --> 02:11:56,000 Speaker 2: kids that say it racist shit, call me nigger, or 2714 02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:58,160 Speaker 2: just the ones I don't like. I got suspended a 2715 02:11:58,160 --> 02:12:01,320 Speaker 2: lot and was labeled a troublemaker. Reputation for whipping ass 2716 02:12:01,320 --> 02:12:04,760 Speaker 2: follows me to this day because dudes knew I had 2717 02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:07,200 Speaker 2: a short fuse. But within myself, I started to see 2718 02:12:07,200 --> 02:12:10,440 Speaker 2: that I can't be reacting to everything these people are saying. 2719 02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:13,120 Speaker 2: Because it got to a point that people knew that 2720 02:12:13,200 --> 02:12:15,480 Speaker 2: this guy is willing to throw it all away for everything, 2721 02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:18,360 Speaker 2: and they played on that. When these people that are 2722 02:12:18,440 --> 02:12:20,600 Speaker 2: ultraliberal and don't talk to a concert or it has 2723 02:12:20,640 --> 02:12:23,000 Speaker 2: nothing to do with them talk. I just ignore that 2724 02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:26,520 Speaker 2: shit because what does someone like that have to offer. 2725 02:12:26,640 --> 02:12:28,640 Speaker 2: The real world is filled with a mix of people 2726 02:12:28,640 --> 02:12:30,920 Speaker 2: with different beliefs. We don't have to agree on everything 2727 02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:32,760 Speaker 2: to be cordial. I grew up in a family that 2728 02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:35,560 Speaker 2: never voted because we were immigrants, so I never had 2729 02:12:35,560 --> 02:12:37,840 Speaker 2: any political opinions. For the last few years, I mixed 2730 02:12:37,880 --> 02:12:40,760 Speaker 2: with people all backgrounds. Now that I do vote, I'm 2731 02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:42,760 Speaker 2: not going to turn my back and start forcing people 2732 02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:46,280 Speaker 2: to vote or lose Republican friends, because when I wasn't voting, 2733 02:12:46,360 --> 02:12:48,160 Speaker 2: no one forced me to, and I offer them the 2734 02:12:48,160 --> 02:12:51,240 Speaker 2: same treatment I received. As always, I love the show 2735 02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:53,800 Speaker 2: and you all do a great job. I really like 2736 02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:57,080 Speaker 2: the things you both do to keep it fun and fresh, 2737 02:12:57,800 --> 02:13:00,600 Speaker 2: just like I like the readings you spoke on people 2738 02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:03,040 Speaker 2: being written out of history. In Ido w Wells, you 2739 02:13:03,120 --> 02:13:05,600 Speaker 2: led me to learn about bane or Rusting, who is 2740 02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:07,760 Speaker 2: an intro integra in to civil rights movement, and no 2741 02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:09,760 Speaker 2: one spoke about him because he was openly gay. 2742 02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:12,160 Speaker 1: At the time, but it was not acceptable publicly. 2743 02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:14,800 Speaker 2: Keep doing what you do because we're out here listening, 2744 02:13:14,880 --> 02:13:19,240 Speaker 2: learning to implementing love, Thanks, thank you, yeah, and that yeah, 2745 02:13:19,320 --> 02:13:21,920 Speaker 2: that thing. Like the only thing you can do is 2746 02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:25,000 Speaker 2: impress upon people the shit you learned, I think. 2747 02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:27,000 Speaker 1: But you're not gonna get. 2748 02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:30,440 Speaker 2: This ship where people like just start fighting everybody and 2749 02:13:30,520 --> 02:13:33,400 Speaker 2: it's gonna work out. It's not true because very few 2750 02:13:33,400 --> 02:13:36,760 Speaker 2: people learn from that way. Most people learn from other people, 2751 02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:38,800 Speaker 2: giving like examples and reasons why. 2752 02:13:38,600 --> 02:13:39,920 Speaker 1: They're doing the shit that they're doing. 2753 02:13:40,080 --> 02:13:44,360 Speaker 2: Agreed, doesn't mean you can't be mad, doesn't mean you 2754 02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:47,680 Speaker 2: have to like just fucking let everybody run all over you. 2755 02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:51,720 Speaker 2: But there's a certain level of like, you know, people 2756 02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:54,960 Speaker 2: can get there, but they're not gonna get there all 2757 02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:56,800 Speaker 2: the time from the same methods. Some people need to 2758 02:13:56,840 --> 02:13:59,160 Speaker 2: be pushed, some people need to be pulled, some people 2759 02:13:59,200 --> 02:14:01,640 Speaker 2: need to be talked to sweetly, all this shit, you know. 2760 02:14:02,120 --> 02:14:04,040 Speaker 2: But I think we've now gotten to a point where 2761 02:14:04,040 --> 02:14:06,520 Speaker 2: people think yell at everybody into the workout, and. 2762 02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:07,000 Speaker 1: It's not true. 2763 02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:07,240 Speaker 4: I know. 2764 02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:11,760 Speaker 2: Let's see Julie, Rice and Andre Benjamin on broken record, 2765 02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:13,560 Speaker 2: Rod and Karen, it's always all are killing it, but 2766 02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:16,400 Speaker 2: that's just in my judgment, so don't mind me since 2767 02:14:16,400 --> 02:14:18,680 Speaker 2: I'm reminded that we don't need to be out here 2768 02:14:18,720 --> 02:14:23,560 Speaker 2: judging folks. Heard this converce heard this conversation between Andre 2769 02:14:23,640 --> 02:14:25,640 Speaker 2: and Rick Ruben on the Broken Record podcast. 2770 02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:27,520 Speaker 1: I thought you dig it in case you haven't heard 2771 02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:28,080 Speaker 1: link below. 2772 02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:31,200 Speaker 2: Creativity, Confidence, anxiety, life or Front the Center, and the 2773 02:14:31,200 --> 02:14:34,960 Speaker 2: conversation enlightening. Thank you for creativity and dedication to the 2774 02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:37,680 Speaker 2: Grinder for finding ways to model how you can try 2775 02:14:38,080 --> 02:14:40,040 Speaker 2: to take care of yourselves better so you can foster 2776 02:14:40,120 --> 02:14:41,680 Speaker 2: that creativity and healthy work habits. 2777 02:14:41,680 --> 02:14:44,000 Speaker 1: Happy holidays to you both, Julie, Thank you. 2778 02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:47,480 Speaker 2: And I already listened to the to the podcast when 2779 02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:49,400 Speaker 2: it came out and it was amazing. 2780 02:14:49,400 --> 02:14:52,840 Speaker 1: I love Andre sane. He used to listen to the show. 2781 02:14:52,920 --> 02:14:57,200 Speaker 1: Y'all real talk, small world. Okay, Like you know what 2782 02:14:57,240 --> 02:14:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 2783 02:14:57,920 --> 02:15:00,320 Speaker 2: He might see me out somewhere and be like and 2784 02:15:00,360 --> 02:15:02,240 Speaker 2: not be like, ah, ship, what's up? 2785 02:15:02,280 --> 02:15:05,400 Speaker 1: Andre? This is my fantasy head Cannon fantasy. 2786 02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and no, I'm not even gonna fan. I don't 2787 02:15:07,600 --> 02:15:09,440 Speaker 2: gonna be like man. So what's your favorite episode of 2788 02:15:09,480 --> 02:15:09,880 Speaker 2: my show? 2789 02:15:10,120 --> 02:15:15,240 Speaker 1: Nigga? Little fan man? You know what I'm saying. 2790 02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:17,640 Speaker 2: It's cool that you can come out here and listen 2791 02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:19,680 Speaker 2: to your boy. I mean you need me to sign 2792 02:15:19,800 --> 02:15:23,360 Speaker 2: something for your little man, you know like that? Okay, No, 2793 02:15:23,600 --> 02:15:28,360 Speaker 2: all right, no, Larry who little More writs, I'd rather 2794 02:15:28,520 --> 02:15:33,560 Speaker 2: we got casinos at other black thoughts and Trey, uh swin, dude, 2795 02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:37,600 Speaker 2: send it to me on a candle black asm May Christmas, 2796 02:15:37,680 --> 02:15:40,480 Speaker 2: Rody care. Hope you enjoyed the book, Trey, Thank thank you. 2797 02:15:41,320 --> 02:15:43,880 Speaker 2: Let's see what else you got here? A couple more emails. 2798 02:15:44,240 --> 02:15:46,800 Speaker 2: I know we gotta go soon. I think I think 2799 02:15:46,840 --> 02:15:49,520 Speaker 2: we have a Hornets game today. Oh we do at five, 2800 02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:53,000 Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken. What's today is twenty first first? 2801 02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh pretty sure? Far Oh I know proof of 2802 02:15:57,560 --> 02:15:58,560 Speaker 1: NYC racism. 2803 02:15:58,640 --> 02:16:01,920 Speaker 2: This is from Jeff, who says, love you're reading how 2804 02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:04,960 Speaker 2: you're writing care Love, You're reading from the warmth of 2805 02:16:05,080 --> 02:16:08,200 Speaker 2: the suns. When you first read from it, I knew 2806 02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:10,800 Speaker 2: that was the book. My mother, who just passed in November. 2807 02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:13,280 Speaker 2: Sorry to hear that same has sent me that book 2808 02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:15,640 Speaker 2: on as a Christmas present years ago, and I loved it. 2809 02:16:15,680 --> 02:16:16,760 Speaker 1: Though I gotta finish it. 2810 02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:19,800 Speaker 2: I keep spread spreading the good, the great keep spreading 2811 02:16:19,800 --> 02:16:22,360 Speaker 2: the great books to us. Karen, do you have a 2812 02:16:22,400 --> 02:16:25,080 Speaker 2: favor to read sometime? I love hearing your friendly way 2813 02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:26,200 Speaker 2: of relating the foe as well. 2814 02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:29,200 Speaker 4: Not right now I read it. I've read a bunch 2815 02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:29,960 Speaker 4: of kind of books. 2816 02:16:31,120 --> 02:16:34,000 Speaker 2: Sending a link of how we're fucked up with yet 2817 02:16:34,040 --> 02:16:37,240 Speaker 2: we'll fuck with yet again. You guys, uh sometimes make 2818 02:16:37,320 --> 02:16:39,520 Speaker 2: mention of how you don't know how things work in 2819 02:16:39,520 --> 02:16:42,039 Speaker 2: the North. Well, NYC is races as hell, and as 2820 02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:42,840 Speaker 2: a native. 2821 02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:45,160 Speaker 1: I know, y'all. I know when you're black or Latino, 2822 02:16:45,240 --> 02:16:46,160 Speaker 1: that shit is ridiculous. 2823 02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:49,640 Speaker 2: But this racist asshole felt white privilege would benefit him elsewhere, 2824 02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:53,080 Speaker 2: and he send a link to an article about a 2825 02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:56,560 Speaker 2: police officer that well, I'm just added to with black 2826 02:16:56,560 --> 02:16:59,120 Speaker 2: people who'll read it on the show. Love and all 2827 02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:03,800 Speaker 2: the best Holidays in Japan, Thanks Jeff. And yeah, I'll 2828 02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:06,440 Speaker 2: make sure to say that article for later so we 2829 02:17:06,520 --> 02:17:10,959 Speaker 2: can add it to the you know, added to the rotation. 2830 02:17:12,200 --> 02:17:13,440 Speaker 2: All right, I think we got. 2831 02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:17,720 Speaker 1: Two more left. All right, I'm just gonna take his 2832 02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:21,840 Speaker 1: time on Gmail now, all right? Cool? One of my 2833 02:17:21,879 --> 02:17:24,320 Speaker 1: supposed to do you just wait. 2834 02:17:25,520 --> 02:17:28,360 Speaker 2: If I hit this button, all the work, Okay, I 2835 02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:31,840 Speaker 2: guess so, the Dynamic trio. This for my girl, Alegray, 2836 02:17:32,280 --> 02:17:35,360 Speaker 2: Hey girl, uh hey, you two A couple two couple, 2837 02:17:35,800 --> 02:17:36,920 Speaker 2: couple two three things. 2838 02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:37,280 Speaker 1: One. 2839 02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:41,160 Speaker 2: I love the double hit of Justin he adds that 2840 02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:43,640 Speaker 2: extra Cuman, the the. 2841 02:17:43,640 --> 02:17:46,720 Speaker 1: Ancho Chili and Rod and Karen to the Rod and 2842 02:17:46,800 --> 02:17:50,400 Speaker 1: Karen dish, thank you, thank you. Number two non judgmental 2843 02:17:50,480 --> 02:17:51,960 Speaker 1: Rod needed to be reevaluated. 2844 02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:54,360 Speaker 2: I'm glad you took it to the people. Great and 2845 02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:57,039 Speaker 2: hilarious contents for usual. Number three, I got. 2846 02:17:56,920 --> 02:17:57,880 Speaker 4: A job, y'all. 2847 02:17:58,360 --> 02:18:01,240 Speaker 1: Hey, gratulations and I create. 2848 02:18:01,440 --> 02:18:03,600 Speaker 2: I create some of the inspiration to not stay the 2849 02:18:03,640 --> 02:18:07,800 Speaker 2: sturge to Karen, your words mean so much to me. 2850 02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:10,520 Speaker 1: I actually got two jobs in the space of two months. 2851 02:18:10,600 --> 02:18:12,680 Speaker 2: Long story, and it happened right after I listen to 2852 02:18:12,760 --> 02:18:14,039 Speaker 2: Karen say keep your head. 2853 02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:18,760 Speaker 1: Up, winky face. Now to hit that up. That premium 2854 02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:21,080 Speaker 1: content will be that as soon as I get that 2855 02:18:21,160 --> 02:18:25,440 Speaker 1: first check. Love Allegra off now, welcome back. Man. I 2856 02:18:25,480 --> 02:18:27,000 Speaker 1: feel like we'd be going through it with y'all. 2857 02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:29,920 Speaker 2: Sometimes because I get the little email like this person 2858 02:18:29,959 --> 02:18:30,959 Speaker 2: cancel premium, I'll. 2859 02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:32,800 Speaker 1: Be like, man, they must be going through it. You 2860 02:18:32,840 --> 02:18:33,280 Speaker 1: never know. 2861 02:18:33,400 --> 02:18:34,760 Speaker 4: I hope they come back right. 2862 02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:38,520 Speaker 2: Last one our girl, Caretha says, dear Rod, I know 2863 02:18:38,600 --> 02:18:40,680 Speaker 2: you will enjoy this one because she sent me the 2864 02:18:40,760 --> 02:18:43,120 Speaker 2: book We Are Never Meeting in Real Life by Samantha 2865 02:18:43,160 --> 02:18:47,200 Speaker 2: Irbie is an audio book and she reads herself, so 2866 02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:48,320 Speaker 2: it's freaking fabulous. 2867 02:18:48,680 --> 02:18:50,760 Speaker 1: It's not your book, but I recall you saying you 2868 02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:51,440 Speaker 1: prefer kndle. 2869 02:18:51,560 --> 02:18:54,080 Speaker 2: Actually I experienced Damon Young's book the same way, and 2870 02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:56,160 Speaker 2: dare I say I laughed out loud more to this 2871 02:18:56,520 --> 02:18:59,960 Speaker 2: than to his. She also talks about being broke and poignant, 2872 02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:03,720 Speaker 2: funny ways. Enjoy thanks, Court, and I have already accepted 2873 02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:07,279 Speaker 2: this gift on the kindle, of course, and. 2874 02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:09,200 Speaker 1: We also have some gifts and stuff with gott in 2875 02:19:09,240 --> 02:19:09,560 Speaker 1: the metal. 2876 02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:16,920 Speaker 2: So the first one Merry Christmas from my girl Terry 2877 02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:20,760 Speaker 2: d And we got a premium ice cream scoop. 2878 02:19:20,720 --> 02:19:23,240 Speaker 4: Yes, because I got tired of the other ice cream scoop. 2879 02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:24,519 Speaker 4: What they called it oxidizing. 2880 02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't look right. 2881 02:19:26,560 --> 02:19:28,520 Speaker 3: No, I was like, what the hell is this? I 2882 02:19:28,560 --> 02:19:30,520 Speaker 3: can't never get it off? So I got one that 2883 02:19:30,800 --> 02:19:31,119 Speaker 3: was like. 2884 02:19:31,080 --> 02:19:32,680 Speaker 4: You can stick it in that cold and still get 2885 02:19:32,720 --> 02:19:33,520 Speaker 4: your ice creams now. 2886 02:19:33,560 --> 02:19:36,160 Speaker 2: Some of these don't come with like it doesn't tell 2887 02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:37,600 Speaker 2: us who got it. So I don't know if y'all 2888 02:19:37,680 --> 02:19:41,280 Speaker 2: chose to be anonymous or if Amazon didn't put it 2889 02:19:41,320 --> 02:19:43,080 Speaker 2: in the box. But I mean they'll come with like 2890 02:19:43,080 --> 02:19:45,280 Speaker 2: a thing saying this is what you got, but it 2891 02:19:45,280 --> 02:19:47,720 Speaker 2: doesn't say who gave it to us. In this case, 2892 02:19:49,480 --> 02:19:52,119 Speaker 2: Karen got some African ear some earrings. 2893 02:19:52,400 --> 02:19:55,440 Speaker 1: Woo pretty right, these are dope. 2894 02:19:56,600 --> 02:19:57,720 Speaker 4: I might let them to the game. 2895 02:19:58,360 --> 02:19:58,880 Speaker 1: Here you go. 2896 02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:02,600 Speaker 2: But I think it said anonymous gave it to us, 2897 02:20:02,680 --> 02:20:04,039 Speaker 2: or it just didn't come with a note. 2898 02:20:04,440 --> 02:20:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, African hand something erring, soorry. 2899 02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:09,240 Speaker 4: Jane said, I said those, thank you? 2900 02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:10,280 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Jane. 2901 02:20:10,480 --> 02:20:13,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry it didn't say on the on the note. 2902 02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:19,800 Speaker 2: Then a house with the clock in the walls. Once again, no, 2903 02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:23,440 Speaker 2: you guys can see on the note, no name who 2904 02:20:23,520 --> 02:20:25,720 Speaker 2: sent it. But this is one of the Blu rayso 2905 02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:27,280 Speaker 2: was on my list and I did want to see 2906 02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:28,879 Speaker 2: it because I actually do funk with Jack Black. 2907 02:20:28,879 --> 02:20:30,240 Speaker 1: And I didn't make it to a theater time to 2908 02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:35,400 Speaker 1: see this. No, we didn't. And what's this? 2909 02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:41,240 Speaker 2: Oh, y'all, I don't know who sent this ship. Uh, 2910 02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:45,200 Speaker 2: this is a mystery for the Scooby Doo team. But 2911 02:20:46,040 --> 02:20:49,600 Speaker 2: apparently rich people listening to show or something. Somebody sent 2912 02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:52,920 Speaker 2: me the PlayStation for Slim one terrorbyke console with Marvels 2913 02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:53,480 Speaker 2: Spider Man. 2914 02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:55,039 Speaker 1: Y'all. 2915 02:20:56,560 --> 02:21:00,360 Speaker 2: I have been on that PlayStation, uh, setting everything up, 2916 02:21:00,360 --> 02:21:04,320 Speaker 2: downloading games, all this shit, like I can't believe. Like honestly, 2917 02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:07,119 Speaker 2: it was one of the things. I let it sit 2918 02:21:07,160 --> 02:21:08,800 Speaker 2: there for a day because I was waiting on the like, 2919 02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:12,280 Speaker 2: you know, like you got you need to send this back. 2920 02:21:12,360 --> 02:21:15,120 Speaker 2: This is a mistake. So I don't know if open 2921 02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:19,920 Speaker 2: listening shit or what, but thank you boo okay, and 2922 02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:21,440 Speaker 2: I will be playing that damn game. 2923 02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:24,879 Speaker 1: I've been making a joke. 2924 02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:28,080 Speaker 2: On on the nerd off for years, for a couple 2925 02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:30,600 Speaker 2: of years now about how all the PlayStation games wasn't 2926 02:21:30,600 --> 02:21:32,280 Speaker 2: good because I couldn't have you know, I ain't have 2927 02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:35,000 Speaker 2: a PlayStation. So I'll just be like, you don't nobody 2928 02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:37,680 Speaker 2: want to play Uncharted God of War. Ain't nobody trying 2929 02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:40,120 Speaker 2: to play Last of Us? And you know it's a gamer. 2930 02:21:40,200 --> 02:21:42,760 Speaker 2: I do want to play them things, but you know 2931 02:21:43,040 --> 02:21:46,880 Speaker 2: I ain't have no PlayStation, so I immediately went and 2932 02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:49,600 Speaker 2: got all that stuff. So shout out to capitalism. I 2933 02:21:49,640 --> 02:21:51,400 Speaker 2: know who sent it, you know who's in it? 2934 02:21:51,480 --> 02:21:51,760 Speaker 4: Yes? 2935 02:21:52,680 --> 02:21:53,200 Speaker 1: Who me? 2936 02:21:54,360 --> 02:21:57,080 Speaker 4: What yes, I didn't want to tell y'all wanted to 2937 02:21:57,120 --> 02:22:00,800 Speaker 4: surprise you. I don't want to surprise you on this show. 2938 02:22:01,240 --> 02:22:04,240 Speaker 1: Oh that's baby, that's so nice of you. 2939 02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:07,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, because and I sent it out to all the 2940 02:22:07,320 --> 02:22:10,280 Speaker 3: fans like that was broke and be like I wanted 2941 02:22:10,280 --> 02:22:11,400 Speaker 3: to send Rod something. 2942 02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:14,440 Speaker 4: This is me and them. I did it on their behalf. 2943 02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:15,760 Speaker 4: I wanted to. 2944 02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:17,960 Speaker 3: I didn't want to do it close to Christmas because 2945 02:22:17,959 --> 02:22:20,039 Speaker 3: I was like, they might miss it. And I was 2946 02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:21,560 Speaker 3: gonna get it for you last year, but it. 2947 02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:23,440 Speaker 4: Kept selling out and I couldn't find it. 2948 02:22:23,440 --> 02:22:24,439 Speaker 1: It was discontinued. 2949 02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:26,680 Speaker 3: I couldn't find it anywhere, and so when you put 2950 02:22:26,680 --> 02:22:29,000 Speaker 3: it on the wish list, I was like, ooh, this 2951 02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:30,960 Speaker 3: would be a good way to surprise him. 2952 02:22:31,400 --> 02:22:33,240 Speaker 4: And so I didn't want to say anything to the show, 2953 02:22:33,240 --> 02:22:33,800 Speaker 4: but yeah, I. 2954 02:22:33,720 --> 02:22:36,800 Speaker 1: Said that, Oh that's that's the best give I've gotten. 2955 02:22:36,920 --> 02:22:37,320 Speaker 1: Thank you. 2956 02:22:37,440 --> 02:22:40,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I really wanted to surprise you because I was like, oh, yeah, 2957 02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:42,199 Speaker 3: he fo Cotton like I was for cotting that switch. 2958 02:22:44,040 --> 02:22:45,879 Speaker 4: I was for cotting the hell out that switch. But 2959 02:22:45,959 --> 02:22:47,680 Speaker 4: I got that switch, and I've been playing the hell 2960 02:22:47,720 --> 02:22:48,120 Speaker 4: out of there. 2961 02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:50,240 Speaker 1: That's true. I got you to switch. You got me 2962 02:22:50,240 --> 02:22:52,480 Speaker 1: in the PlayStation for Yeah, so I thought all the 2963 02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:53,720 Speaker 1: consoles in this bitch. 2964 02:22:53,760 --> 02:22:57,240 Speaker 4: I thought it would be a cute surprise. You're welcome, baby. 2965 02:22:57,280 --> 02:22:58,760 Speaker 4: It was hard to keep the secret. I ain't even 2966 02:22:58,760 --> 02:23:01,920 Speaker 4: gonna lie. I ex surprise, opened up the box. 2967 02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:04,199 Speaker 1: And shit, I ain't know you fool me. I ain't 2968 02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:05,039 Speaker 1: know who got that shit. 2969 02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:05,680 Speaker 4: I haven't asked. 2970 02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:07,080 Speaker 1: Oh you see this? 2971 02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:07,920 Speaker 4: Who see you that? 2972 02:23:08,280 --> 02:23:10,120 Speaker 1: Like jay Z and Beyonce listen to shit. 2973 02:23:10,280 --> 02:23:13,640 Speaker 3: We got some great fans and you for real, it's 2974 02:23:13,720 --> 02:23:15,720 Speaker 3: on behalf of me and the fans, all of us 2975 02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:16,480 Speaker 3: gave it to you. 2976 02:23:16,520 --> 02:23:20,480 Speaker 1: Well, I've been playing it. Thank you you baby. 2977 02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:20,920 Speaker 4: Uh. 2978 02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:23,680 Speaker 2: And lastly, we got some cards before we get out 2979 02:23:23,680 --> 02:23:25,520 Speaker 2: of here, and I do have another batch I need 2980 02:23:25,560 --> 02:23:30,840 Speaker 2: to mail off this one from Jonathan. It says Mary 2981 02:23:30,920 --> 02:23:33,959 Speaker 2: Christmas with a Christmas tree on it. Inside it says 2982 02:23:34,040 --> 02:23:37,160 Speaker 2: riding care, Marry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year. 2983 02:23:37,160 --> 02:23:40,600 Speaker 2: I've enjoyed another year listening to you all. It's such 2984 02:23:40,600 --> 02:23:45,120 Speaker 2: a positive part of my week and day day to 2985 02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:49,400 Speaker 2: day life. Love y'all, Jonathan hps. This car is handmade 2986 02:23:49,879 --> 02:23:54,160 Speaker 2: by my friend Rachelle at black lamb Handmaid. 2987 02:23:54,600 --> 02:23:59,800 Speaker 1: She does cool art. One hundred percent by hand. Wow. 2988 02:24:00,480 --> 02:24:04,040 Speaker 2: And it is cool, like you can see it's raised 2989 02:24:04,120 --> 02:24:06,360 Speaker 2: the Christmas trees. It's not part of the car like 2990 02:24:06,360 --> 02:24:07,360 Speaker 2: it's on that. 2991 02:24:08,320 --> 02:24:09,800 Speaker 4: Propecial Thank you baby. 2992 02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:11,320 Speaker 3: I would put it in there with my other one 2993 02:24:11,360 --> 02:24:14,199 Speaker 3: hundred cars. I really do keep these cars like, oh, Grandma. 2994 02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:16,039 Speaker 2: Black Lamb hand made. All right, let's go to the 2995 02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:18,640 Speaker 2: next one. Sorry, I'm in the rush, guys, but you know, 2996 02:24:18,680 --> 02:24:19,840 Speaker 2: we got about ten minutes, so. 2997 02:24:19,879 --> 02:24:21,160 Speaker 1: We need to be leaving to go to the game. 2998 02:24:22,080 --> 02:24:22,360 Speaker 2: Uh. 2999 02:24:22,680 --> 02:24:24,360 Speaker 1: It's my bad for getting started so late. 3000 02:24:25,240 --> 02:24:26,959 Speaker 2: I always feel like the show ain't gonna be that long, 3001 02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:29,160 Speaker 2: and then I'll just get to talking and enjoying myself. 3002 02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:31,760 Speaker 2: I look up and I'm like, oh shit, time ago. 3003 02:24:33,160 --> 02:24:35,640 Speaker 2: All right, we got this card. 3004 02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:38,760 Speaker 1: Wow. I cannot believe you got that PlayStation for me. 3005 02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:42,400 Speaker 4: I'm glad. I surprised you good. I was like, that's 3006 02:24:42,440 --> 02:24:44,720 Speaker 4: why I open up. Oh what's this? 3007 02:24:45,320 --> 02:24:47,200 Speaker 3: That's why you're putting no name or nothing on that 3008 02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:48,600 Speaker 3: made sure to make it blank. 3009 02:24:48,959 --> 02:24:49,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 3010 02:24:50,320 --> 02:24:54,400 Speaker 2: Uh Shaquita right saying she left this card says Hi, 3011 02:24:54,560 --> 02:24:59,360 Speaker 2: Rod and Karen. Green's from Oakley, California. I've been listening 3012 02:24:59,360 --> 02:25:01,880 Speaker 2: to your podcast for about two years. Now and it's 3013 02:25:01,959 --> 02:25:03,640 Speaker 2: changed me. I feel like I have a lot more 3014 02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:05,800 Speaker 2: knowledge about our culture. At first, I didn't really pay 3015 02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:08,440 Speaker 2: much attention to issues facing our people, but as my 3016 02:25:08,520 --> 02:25:10,440 Speaker 2: city change, it started to open my eyes, and your 3017 02:25:10,440 --> 02:25:12,720 Speaker 2: podcasts helped me with that. Not only are you two 3018 02:25:12,800 --> 02:25:14,400 Speaker 2: both funny, but you are informative. 3019 02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:14,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. 3020 02:25:15,080 --> 02:25:17,080 Speaker 2: I know you always say on your show that you 3021 02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:19,720 Speaker 2: take praise with a grain of salt, but I'm very sincere. 3022 02:25:19,959 --> 02:25:22,520 Speaker 2: I hope you understand how much of an impact you're making, 3023 02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:24,400 Speaker 2: and I wish you all the best in your future. 3024 02:25:24,400 --> 02:25:26,480 Speaker 2: Mary Christmas rider car and may all your wishes Country 3025 02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:31,199 Speaker 2: Scilly Shaweta at Serena six seven eight. 3026 02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:34,800 Speaker 1: Three On Twitter, I tweet at you occasionally. Thank you, 3027 02:25:34,520 --> 02:25:35,840 Speaker 1: Thank you baby. 3028 02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:38,480 Speaker 2: Can you believe somebody said that this show is not 3029 02:25:38,600 --> 02:25:41,480 Speaker 2: open to talking to the fans. 3030 02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:43,400 Speaker 1: I think I'm above y'all, picknes. 3031 02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:46,160 Speaker 3: I can't believe that somebody also said we don't be 3032 02:25:46,200 --> 02:25:47,880 Speaker 3: making changes out in the world too, didn't they? 3033 02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:51,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was another rude ass nigga. Oh look 3034 02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:53,040 Speaker 2: at this one. This is dope. 3035 02:25:53,080 --> 02:25:54,760 Speaker 1: It's like a set up at the top of Miss 3036 02:25:54,879 --> 02:25:55,560 Speaker 1: Christmas Present. 3037 02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:56,400 Speaker 4: That's pretty. 3038 02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:59,400 Speaker 2: And this is from Devin Oh and Mike b It says, 3039 02:25:59,440 --> 02:26:03,360 Speaker 2: dear Rod Careen, uh from wishing you a Christmas field 3040 02:26:03,360 --> 02:26:05,920 Speaker 2: with happiness and love from your fans in New York. 3041 02:26:06,400 --> 02:26:08,160 Speaker 1: I think I remember did y'all come up with a 3042 02:26:08,240 --> 02:26:13,840 Speaker 1: live show? Remember y'all? But thank you? Okay, that's everything 3043 02:26:13,879 --> 02:26:14,240 Speaker 1: for the day. 3044 02:26:14,600 --> 02:26:17,520 Speaker 2: Sorry to rush off, but we had to go because 3045 02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:19,680 Speaker 2: I need to go watch the Hornets get smashed by 3046 02:26:19,720 --> 02:26:20,160 Speaker 2: the Jazz. 3047 02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:22,760 Speaker 1: Until then, I love you. 3048 02:26:22,840 --> 02:26:23,280 Speaker 4: I love you to