1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to you Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Josh Clark and there's Charles Bryant and there's no ol 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: over there. It's like Jerry with a beard, and this 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: is stuff you should know. Yeah, that's a good way 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: to describe no Al because it's not at all accurate 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: except for the beard. But it's funny. It is funny. 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 1: That's the point that's going. It's going. Fine, you got 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: a good intro for this one. Noah, Really, I was 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: going to mention the terrible avalanche on Everest. Oh. Yeah, 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: it took the lives of I believe fifteen Sherpa. Yeah 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: that was sad. Yeah, it was especially sad because we 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: know how Scherpall work. We've done an episode on it before, 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: and you know, to Live and Die on the Mountain, 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's well, it's become the sharp 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: away a little bit, but it's still a major tragedy. 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: Because sure, but if you go back and listen to 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: that show or I think we even called it, what 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: like warm friend, Yeah, like they're really great and just 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: good souls, and it was it was super sad to 21 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: hear about that. Is that what prompted this idea? I 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: believe so, Yes, yes, okay, yes it was. I thought 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: it might have been. I know you know a lot 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: about snow crystal shape because of your Don't Be Dumb 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: episode recently, I thought that might have been it. Yeah, 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: about whether or not there is such things to snowflakes 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: that are exactly alike. What's the answer? I think that's 28 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: a good way to start out. No, not really, Okay, 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: there each one is perfect and special. If you had 30 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: if you're comparing snowflakes that are formed from a very 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: small amount of water, then you're probably going to find 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: some that are identical. But as I say in that 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: episode of Don't Be Dumb, if you count those, you're 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: a jerk. So like a real snowflake, like a snowflake 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: like that children love and that you haven't broidered on 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: your sweater. No, there's no two that are alike. That's 37 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: pretty cool, even though something like seventies septillion snowflakes fall 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 1: to Earth in a year. Wow, that's a lot of snowflakes. Yeah, 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: but when you put them all together, they don't necessarily stick. Yeah, 40 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: and every once in a while, something can happen, not 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: yodeling that can trigger an avalanche. Yeah, and I was 42 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: when we were reading through this. I've found that there 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: were a lot of differences obviously between avalanches and uh 44 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: slides that we've covered. Yeah, we did landslides. Yeah, and 45 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: I even found a few little similarities and wildfires which 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: I did not expect. Lay it on me. Well, we'll 47 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: get to it later, like potential ways to Well, we'll 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: get to it. We'll lay it on me at a 49 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: future time. Ok So, um avalanches, Yeah, Basically an avalanches 50 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: is uh, well, it's it's a failure of a large 51 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: or small amount of snow to stay in place any 52 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: longer friction once again, Yes, just like with landslides, Um, 53 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: the the mass overcomes the force of friction that's holding 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: it in place and it just kind of moves downhill 55 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: all at once. The thing is that doesn't seem like 56 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: a big deal, but in North America of an avalanche 57 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: can reach something like two hundred and thirty thousand cubic 58 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: meters in size. It's about twenty football fields filled ten 59 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: feet deep with snow. How fast I've seen up to 60 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: and beyond a hundred miles an hour once they really 61 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: get going. That's a big deal. Yeah, So twenty football 62 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: fields filled ten feet deep with snow moving in over 63 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: a hundred miles an hour down a mountain. If you're 64 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: on the way, yeah, to save the day. Pretty much, 65 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: you're in trouble basically. So avalanches are a pretty big deal. 66 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: Even though it's just snow, and snow is beautiful and 67 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: wonderful and cold, it's like all of it moving at 68 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: once is a problem. That's right. And um, there's a 69 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: lot of different ways that an avalanche can form, but 70 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: really there's three. There's three factors involved. You've got snow, yeah, 71 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: you have a slope or an incline, and then you 72 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: have some sort of trigger. Yeah, and like I said, 73 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: it's not yodeling. Loud sounds just don't really have what 74 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: it takes to trigger an avalanche. That's that's in the 75 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: movies that you'll see that, Yeah, German movies. That's right. Uh, well, 76 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: I guess let's back up a little bit to what 77 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: we're originally talking about, which was the shape of the 78 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: snow itself, because that has an impact on what's you know, 79 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: when the snow hits the ground, it's gonna form, it's 80 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: called a snow pack, and how stable the snow pack 81 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: is is depends on the snow that is that makes 82 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: up the snowpack, and like how it bonds together depends 83 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: on the actual shape of those little crystals. H if 84 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: you have a six pointed crystal, um, it's gonna be 85 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: steadier or more stable than like needle shaped crystals right 86 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: packed together better. Yeah. Then, so there's different factors that 87 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: contribute to what kind of snow falls, what kind of 88 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: snow accumulates, and then snow undergoes um a metamorphosis once 89 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: it becomes part of the snowpack, depending on conditions that's right. 90 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: For example, the temperature gra gradient has a big effect 91 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: on how snow within a snowpack, which is just these 92 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: blankets and blankets of snow that build up over the 93 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: course of a season. Um, if there's say a higher 94 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: temperature gradient, so at the surface it's very very cold, 95 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: but below towards the ground, it's actually warmer because of 96 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: the heat, the radiant heat coming out of the earth. 97 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: The larger the temperature gradient, the larger the difference in 98 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: the amount of water vapor. So warmer air or warmer 99 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: snow holds more water vapor. And water vapor likes homeostasis 100 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: just like everything else, so it moves from one end 101 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: to another, and that actually helps trigger metamorphosis of snowflake 102 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: shapes within the snow pack by um taking what's already rounded, 103 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: and that's what you want. That's a stable snowpack. Yeah, 104 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: which I thought would be more unstable, but it packs 105 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: together easier, right, Rounded snowflakes packed together easier. And when 106 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: water vapor moves from one place to another, uh, it 107 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: takes rounded snowflakes and actually makes them faceted, which are 108 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: more angled, yes, like flat surfaces basically, and those don't 109 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: lock together as well. So that's one form of instability. 110 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: Is when you have a temperature gradient. Yes, and if 111 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: you have a lot of those faceted flakes, it's going 112 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: to be called a depth whore h O a R. 113 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: And a horror is uh is the light like you 114 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: can even kind of see them on like sunny days, 115 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: this sort of shiny crystally surface um layer on top 116 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: that's like not really bonded exactly. It's frost is another 117 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: word for it, like horror. Like avalanche, we should name 118 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: this avalanches the disaster with the most jargon because there's 119 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: a lot of jargon involved in avalanches. There is. We've 120 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: already skipped over some of it. Like rhyme, Well, yeah, 121 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: rhyme is when um, yeah, it's basically have you ever 122 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: seen like a a ship going through the Arctic and 123 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: it has like globules of ice, or like a tree 124 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: collecting ice. That's rhyme where it's just basically a bunch 125 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: of water turns into ice really quick and accumulates quickly. 126 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: That's rhyme. Horrors frost rhyme is like globules of ice. 127 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: What about a grapple? Uh, that is when you have 128 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: deposits of rhyme that build up and form pellets of snow. Yeah, 129 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: but they're not stable even though they're pellets, like yeah, 130 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: which kind of flies in the face because I thought 131 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: round was more stable. I think they're larger though, Yeah, 132 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: I think they're like spherical, whereas round is like flat 133 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: and rounded edges. So pellets are like yeah those things. 134 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: You know, you get a handful of those yellow pellets, 135 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: roll them around in your palms like so, and you're 136 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: gonna see like it, there's no friction there. It overcomes friction. 137 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: That's true. Uh, if you have you can also get 138 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: rounding if if it's a low temperature gradient and you 139 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: get a lot of um subfreezing going on, and it's 140 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: gonna cause the rounding, which is actually good. That's gonna 141 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: make it more stable. Like we were talking about UM. 142 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: So you've got temperature gradient, you've got rounding from UM 143 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: a low temperature gradiment. You have different types of snow 144 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: that accumulate. If fascinating is can that be a verb? 145 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: I just made it one. Yeah, fascinating, Yeah, fascinating is 146 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: Basically it's another type of metamorphosis where snowflake undergoes a 147 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: change in the snowpack after it's already fallen. It's just 148 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: laying there like you think when snowfalls it's it's felt, 149 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: but now it's going through some changes. Basically, a puberty 150 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: of snow is what happens in the snowpack. And when 151 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: fascinating happens, it's the opposite of rounding. Those edges become 152 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: um more pronounced, more angular and um. A snowflake can 153 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: turn into what's called depth or h O A R 154 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: again uh, and it's pretty cool. Did you see the 155 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: picture of depth hor It's the coolest looking snowflake you 156 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: can find that it's pretty cool, Like it looks carved 157 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: out like, UM, it looks three D printed, basically, doesn't 158 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: it do? UM a piece of machinery or something. But 159 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: from the looks of it, it looks like it would 160 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: just totally lock in with any other snowflake. But for 161 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: some reason that's not the case. So when you get 162 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: depth Horor's is a very faceted snow packed snowflake. UM, 163 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: it's not going to lead to a stable snowpack. None 164 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: of these are basically everything except rounding UM leads to 165 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: an unstable snow pack. That's right, And that's one of 166 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: the triggers or one of the factors involved in an avalanche. 167 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: That's right. What you have is if you have a 168 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: failure level layer, and that's the weak layer inside the snowpack. 169 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: It's called the failure layer because it fails you and 170 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: causes the av inch. It fills everybody, but it can 171 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: be caused by a lot of things. Uh, the things 172 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: we're just mentioning and uh, depending on some other factors. 173 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: Is how it's gonna deal with that failure level. UM, 174 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: it can slough off the snow, and I think most 175 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: people have seen that is when you see like the 176 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: inverted V shape loose powdery snow coming down a mountain 177 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: that is slough and that is not super dangerous. It 178 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: usually doesn't do a lot of damage. Um, So that's 179 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: not like the worst case scenario now, and slough is 180 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: the result of Typically the failure layer is high up 181 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: in the snow pack, so it's just some surface snow 182 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: that's going to move as part of the avalanche. Yeah. 183 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: If it's deeper, then you're gonna get the the bad 184 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: boy of the avalanche scene, which is the slab avalanche. 185 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: And that's when the failure layer is deep down and 186 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna bring obviously a lot more compact big chunks 187 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: sliding down over that that bed layer, or it could 188 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: be a huge chunk, a single chunk. Um reminiscent of 189 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: when uh, you have a lot of snow on your 190 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: windshield and the sun comes out and heats it and 191 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: the glass becomes warmer, so the bottom of it loses 192 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: friction and stability and slides down all at once. That's right. 193 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: That's basically a mini slab avalanche happening on your car. Yeah. 194 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: And if if it's wet um your slab, it's gonna 195 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: be slower, which sounds good. Um, but it's gonna hit 196 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: with more force. It has more water to it has 197 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: more mass and volume, more weight babe. Yeah. Um, So 198 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: let's talk about that slope. If they generally happen between 199 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: five and sixty and most common between and forty five degrees, uh, 200 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: is when you're gonna get an avalanche. If it's more 201 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: than that steeper than that, then it's just gonna be 202 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: sloughing constantly and probably not be a danger. And if 203 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: it's less than that, then it's not enough of the 204 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: slope to cause any problems. Yeah, it's not really going 205 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: to move very much, if at all. It's just called 206 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: party time on the mountain. There's also other factors, um 207 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: that contribute to whether an area's avalanche prone or not. 208 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: To like, Um, if it's on the um sunny side 209 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: of the mountain where it gets a lot of morning sun, uh, 210 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: it will actually warm up and and basically settle. The 211 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: ice pack settles and becomes more stable than on the 212 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: shadier side of the mountain. Same with leeward and windward. 213 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: Both of these I thought was the opposite of how 214 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: it should be. I had that same problem too, because 215 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: they say specifically, the Freese thaw cycle can can create 216 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: like a layer of ice in the snowpack that will 217 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: be a failure layer eventually. So if it's in the 218 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: sun every day, I mean it's slightly melting a little bit, right, 219 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: then you know, why wouldn't that also be the case. 220 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,599 Speaker 1: I didn't get to the bottom of that one. I 221 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: have no idea, but that's what I kept coming across, 222 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: and source after source the same thing with Like you said, leeward, 223 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: it means it's it's on the opposite side of the wind, 224 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: and I would think that being on the windy side 225 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: would be more dangerous. Well, no, because that causes slough 226 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: the wind like blood. Okay, I guess that makes sense. 227 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: That one makes sense. It's the sunny side that's just confusing. Yeah, 228 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: I still say a strongest of wind could cause a slab. 229 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna fly in the faces of the experts. 230 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: And then um they also rate and not right like 231 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: this is a five star avalanche, the best I've seen 232 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: all season. They have um a rating scale from R 233 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: one D one to R five D five And yes, nerds, 234 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: there is an R two D two avalanche. I guess 235 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: you mean me, because that was gonna be my first question. 236 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: I sent you the chart, okay, but I'm still gonna ask. 237 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: So the R is the size of the avalanche relative 238 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: to the path that takes into account it's width, its length, 239 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: its depth, the size of the avl lanch our. One 240 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: is laughable. Our five is the whole side of the 241 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: mountain just came down. What's an R two D two. 242 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: It's a little above laughable. It's more like a woe. 243 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: It's kind of like you would imagine R two D 244 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: two is an avalanche, you know, all right? Uh? And 245 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: then our five D five the D stands for destructive force, 246 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: and that like in an R five D five, the 247 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: D of that avalanche can like gouge the earth. It's 248 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: it's moving with such power and intensity, and they can 249 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: go up to I think one point nine miles um, 250 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: traveling almost two miles at a at a solid with 251 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: a solid chunk. Pretty scary stuff. Yeah, it's scary stuff. 252 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: And before we get to even more stuff, let's take 253 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: an message break. All right, Okay, so I believe we're 254 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: talking scary things, and what can be scarier than avalanche 255 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: triggered by a yodeler we've already said that's not the case. Yeah, 256 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: it's three times. Um. Usually, well, sometimes it can be 257 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: Usually it's people, but sometimes it can be a natural thing, 258 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: like if a tree falls, or if the weather really 259 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: changes quickly. Um, what else, Um, the big chunk of 260 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: ice falling off a tree could trigger it. Yeah, a 261 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: cornice Um, basically, a an ice pack can build up 262 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: over a cliffs edge and just kind of hang there, 263 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: and then eventually that the it'll collapse under its own 264 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: weight and it can fall onto a ridge line below. 265 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: That can definitely trigger trigger an avalanche. But in most 266 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: cases it's people. Yeah. And apparently in most fatal avalanches, 267 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: the person who dies in the avalanche triggered it in 268 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: most cases. Oh yeah, karmic nature. I guess it seems 269 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: a little a little harsh, Yeah, a little imbalanced. Yeah, 270 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: I agree. Uh. All right, So let's say you have 271 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: an avalanche happening. There are gonna be three parts to 272 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: this avalanche. You've got your starting zone, which is above 273 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: the tree line, and that's where the slab actually, that's 274 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: the top part where it breaks free. It's also known 275 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: as a crown. A crown that makes sense. Then you 276 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: have your track and that's basically just the path that 277 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: it takes. Uh. You're gonna if you go to like 278 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: these mountains in the summertime, you might see that track 279 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: uh as a big open area of green grass between trees. Yeah, 280 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: because the avalanches wipe the trees off of that slope. 281 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: So like if you're if you're unclear on whether avalanches 282 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: are powerful, Yes, they take out trees on their way 283 00:16:54,400 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: down and houses and ski condos and yeah, skiers, which 284 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: is another reason why they're so dangerous for someone caught 285 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: in the avalanche because it's not only the snow that 286 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: may or may not bury you, you're also getting pummeled 287 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: across against stuff on your way down because of the 288 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: force of the avalanche bouring you along, like being whacked 289 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: into a tree or something. Yeah. Uh. And then you've 290 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: got your run out is the third segment, and that 291 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: is where it comes to a sliding slow stop and 292 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: that is bad news because it's it's they liken it 293 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: to concrete in this article and it just sets up 294 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: super hard and if you're underneath it, h you've got 295 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen minutes or so to get yourself out 296 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: of there, or it's bye bye to life. Like the 297 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: clock is ticking. Yeah, apparently most people say that you 298 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: can survive buried in an avalanche for about eighteen minutes. 299 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: That's tops. And the best way to survive an avalanche 300 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: is to never start one. And there's techniques that um well, 301 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: basically government local governments that um where mountains and ski 302 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: slips are situated, and then ski resorts will higher ski 303 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: patrols basically go out and test. And there's actually people 304 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: who are called avalanche avalanche forecasters and they I guess, 305 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: study the snowfall, the the atmospheric conditions, like if there's 306 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: been a freeze thaw cycle, and they can predict roughly 307 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: like when or where an avalanche may happen, and they say, 308 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: point the howitzerer that way, and they'll make sure people 309 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: are off of the slope, and they shoot artillery at 310 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: slopes that try to trigger avalanches. That's one way to 311 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: do it. And that's why that's where it reminded me 312 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: of wildfires, um doing controlled burns and stuff like that, like, 313 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: oh yeah, they'll actually set off an avalanche to keep 314 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: an avalanche from happening. But that's really don't wait. Well, 315 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: there's also ski checking, which seems kind of but that's 316 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: almost like, um yeah, uh, I guess it is a 317 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: little bit. It's it's a mind bogglingly dangerous sounding. Yeah, 318 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: it's a job where you on purpose get on your 319 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: skis and ski along the fracture line, um, to see 320 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: what happens, to try to trigger trying to trigger it, 321 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: and then they're gonna quickly try and outrun it. Yes, 322 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: and they're hopefully skiing at the fracture line at the 323 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: top of it, like around the crown, rather than inside 324 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: the avalanche zone. You don't want to be there, so 325 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: it would it would fall out below them rather than 326 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: carry them down. And if you're ski checking, you're you're 327 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: never ski checking alone. You're always part of a team 328 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: and everybody's watching you, and you have a beacon on 329 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: and all the other stuff that you're supposed to have. 330 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: But it's still one of the more dangerous things I 331 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: think you can do in snow. Yeah. I hope we 332 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: have a listener that does this because I'd love to 333 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: know more about it. Ski checking, Yeah, yeah, I'd like 334 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: to hear that too. Some of the other things they 335 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: can do to prevent uh or interrupt an avalanche that 336 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: happens is to put the like physical objects in place 337 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: to prevent it, like nets and anchors and fences and 338 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and that if an avalanche starts, at 339 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: least they can divert it or stop it quicker, or 340 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: maybe prevent it from happening to begin with. Sometimes they'll 341 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: hire local teens to just stand there and link arms, 342 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: stand in the Yeah, the red rover approach. It depends 343 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: on where you live. Estonia is huge on that level prevention. Uh, 344 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: they can happen anytime. They're most common in the winter obviously, 345 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: but they can happen in any month. And um, usually 346 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: in the first like twenty four hours after a big snowfall, 347 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be a little more likely. I guess 348 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: things haven't settled in quite yet. Yes, And um, heavily 349 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: logged areas, areas that have been denuded of trees because 350 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: trees all taken together can kind of serve as anchors 351 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: for a snowpack. So they're trying to reforest areas is 352 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: a big, a big thing now And I wonder I 353 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: didn't find this out, But I wonder also if trees 354 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: represent a kind of a crack in a large snow 355 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: pack too, In that like if there was a piece 356 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: that was coming off, it would take less with it 357 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: because it would eventually reach a tree. In that tree 358 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: would represent a break in that connectiveness in the larger snowpack. 359 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to say yes, I would say yes to 360 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: that just makes sense. Yeah, But the problem is people 361 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: like to do things like what are called back country 362 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: sports in places where there aren't trees. Yeah. I mean, 363 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: the majority of avalanche victims are youngish dudes who, let's 364 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: be honest, they're out there with their snowboard. They're getting 365 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: dropped in by a helicopter where there's plenty of Dowdets. 366 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: Who's who snowboard too? Yeah, that's true. But they did 367 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: say males is the most one, so I think that's 368 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: a fact. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, Um they're bros, you know, 369 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: they're ski bros. Um Man, I can't believe. I guess 370 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: I do believe that. But the person who causes the 371 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: avalanche is the person who most likely dies. It's just yeah. 372 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: And the reason why is because when you're when you 373 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: accidentally trigger trigger this avalanche, it doesn't you're not you're 374 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: on a on a line, a fault line basically that 375 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: you're triggering. But It doesn't necessarily mean that everything's gonna 376 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: happen below you. You could be skiing right through this 377 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: slab and the stuff above you is gonna come down too, 378 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: So like this whole slabs is gonna come down with 379 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: you in the middle of it. Which, so you're the 380 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: one who triggered it. You're the one who got buried 381 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: alive too. All right, Well, we don't want that to 382 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: happen to anybody, So, uh, how can we? I guess 383 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: we should talk about how to do your diligence as 384 00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: a back country bro. Yeah, well you should do so basically, Um, 385 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: you before you go out, you want to check with 386 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: any local UM message boards or websites that have avalanche warnings, 387 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: the bro hotline, right yeah, you want to call be 388 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: like is there going to be right? Um? And there's 389 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: like people who are paid to monitor this kind of 390 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: thing and alert the public. So step one is to 391 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: know whether there's a high likelihood of an avalanche happening 392 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: where you are. Um. You also want to have taken 393 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: a course in surviving avalanches. If you're doing this hardcore 394 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: back country stuff, then hopefully you've done that beforehand. And 395 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: there's a lot to learn to like this isn't we're 396 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: just kind of scratching the surface here. Like there is 397 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: a lot too to know to understand avalanches, to be 398 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: able to forecast them, and to test like doing field tests. Um, 399 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: so you want to really know what you're doing before 400 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: you go out. You always want to go with somebody else. 401 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: Gotta have a brow, buddy. The thing that I think 402 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: you would just have to be a total idiot to 403 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: not have is a beacon, yes of functioning beacon on 404 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: you at all times, beneath your clothes so it can't 405 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: be swept away. Uh yeah. And you want that set 406 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: to transmit if you're the uh the person the transmit 407 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: tour um, so they can find you when you're buried 408 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: dying in fifteen minutes. They're not expensive, they're not um, 409 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: they're not hard to come by. And you if you 410 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: go out doing anything in any bad country sport and 411 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: you don't have one on again, Josh Clark thinks you're 412 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: an idiot. And well we may as well go ahead 413 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: and talk about a couple of other pieces of equipment 414 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: that you should have if you're into this. Um. They 415 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: have these little backpacks now that have air bags in them. 416 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: Um that you basically like pull a little ripcord in 417 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: a big pillowy bag erupts sort of like a car 418 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: airbag outside the top of it. And what that's gonna 419 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: do is take up a bunch of space so you 420 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: have air to breathe um once you're buried, and you 421 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: have you know, a big hole of air at least right. 422 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: Plus it also has the effect of um. If you 423 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: ever have a like a canister of mixed nuts and 424 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: you shake it, you'll notice like the bigger nuts, the 425 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: brazil nuts all moved to the top. Yeah. Uh, same 426 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: thing with you and an inflatable vest, you become bigger, 427 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: so you will move towards the top of the avalanche 428 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: slab and some padding in case there's debris. And then 429 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: the other cool thing is called the the avalon a 430 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: V A l U NNG and those are usually built 431 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: into your backpack two And it's super simple. All it 432 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: is is a it's sort of like a little scuba 433 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: mouthpiece that you breathe through. And what it does is 434 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: it diverts your exhalation down through the backpack and out 435 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: like your where your butt is. Because the danger there 436 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: is if you're trapped under snow and we'll get there 437 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: in a second. Um, you're gonna have a small like 438 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: pocket of air and one of the ways you can 439 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: die is from poisoning yourself with with your CEO two. 440 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: That's right. So if you got the avalon and you 441 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: got your air bag and your backpack, your beacon, your 442 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: beacon and maybe an inclinometer to see what that slope 443 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: is before you go tackle it with your snowboard and say, bro, 444 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: that one's degrees. Well, what do you want to be 445 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: above sixty? Yeah? Geez I know that's awfully close to Yeah, 446 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: maybe then go towards the slope. You also want to 447 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: do some tests too, like where you're going to be skiing, snowboarding, 448 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: high marking. Yea, be proactive. You want to dig what's 449 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: called a quick pit, which is basically you become an amateur. Um, 450 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: what is this snow person like smell a sense of 451 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: snow Avalanchiologists. No, no, snowologists. It is a snow ologist. 452 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: But there's a word. Right, you want to become an 453 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: amateur Santa clause. You dig a pit. Um that affords 454 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: you a view of all the layers of the snowpack, 455 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: so you can basically visually inspect it for a failure layer. Um. 456 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: There's other tests you can do as well, um that 457 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: we won't get into. But if you're going to go 458 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: out there, they should be teaching you this in your 459 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: UM in your back country survival class. Yeah, of course class, sure, um. 460 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: But you can also familiarize yourself on the U. S. 461 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: Forest Service UM website. They have a bunch of step 462 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: by step instructions with pictures for testing for avalanches. Yeah. 463 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: And we looked at these and it's just no, it 464 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: doesn't do any good to try and describe it. We 465 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: would just get you killed and go look at the diagrams. Yeah. Uh. 466 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: And you also wanna, you know, prick up your ears 467 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: and listen for wamping noises or hollow sounds and avoid 468 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: shady or it is like, just keep your eyes peeled. 469 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: If you're experienced out there, then you you're probably gonna 470 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: know what to look for. Yeah. And then there's one 471 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: other thing too. If you see tracks already in a snowpack, 472 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: that does not mean that it's already been tested and 473 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: is safe. No, that means you can go that way right, No, 474 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: it means that the person who went before you is 475 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: lucky technically possibly and the last one never never travel 476 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: above your partner, Like, oh yeah, that's a big one. Yeah. 477 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: If your partner gets above you, then they're being very selfish, yes, 478 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: or to kill you or you Yeah, yeah, you should wonder. 479 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: Wait that travel insurance policy I signed, Now I get it. 480 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: So if you've done all this, you do you you 481 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: know how to do a rash block test, and you 482 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: know how to dig a quick pit faster than anybody else, 483 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: and you're you never travel above your partner and you 484 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: still just triggered an avalanche. You've done everything right. But 485 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: it's it's real, right, you're the person, you're the victim. 486 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: Let's say, yes, all right, we're gonna give advice for 487 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: two people, the victim and then the person who sees 488 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: it and goes, oh my gosh, the witness. That guy 489 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: just got buried. Um, all right, So if you're one 490 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: of the brow victims, you're three ways you can die 491 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: u physical trauma. Like we said, let's say you get 492 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 1: smashed by a tree on the way down. You can 493 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: suffocate in the snow or die of hypothermia. Pick. None 494 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: of those are good. Uh, if you find that the 495 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: avalanche is happening. This is before you're buried alive. Uh. 496 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: And let's say you're a skier or a snowmobile or 497 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: or some other extreme sports person. Um they say to 498 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: try and like outski it and outright it if you can, um, 499 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, get the little rear view herreor going and 500 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: hit the gas as quick as you can, um ski 501 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: off the slab. And if you can do that, then great. 502 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: If you can't, then you may be buried. And the 503 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: first thing you want to do is block your mouth 504 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: so it doesn't fill up with snow. And you want to, 505 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: you know, try and like put your arm over it 506 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: or block it as much as possible if you don't 507 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: have one of those air bags, because whatever little space 508 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: you create in front of your mouth is your breathable air. 509 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: You want to use one arm or your hand or something, 510 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: and with the other arm or leg or whatever you can, 511 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: you want to thrust it toward whatever you think is 512 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: up trying to get some sort of visual cue of 513 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: where you are two people and they see just a 514 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: swimming motion that's on your way down. You're trying to 515 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: basically swim your way to the top of the of 516 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: the pile of the slab that's carrying you down. Well. Yeah, 517 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: and then once you start to come to a stop, 518 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: then you throw your hand in front of your mouth 519 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: and you try to thrust the leg up or something 520 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: like that. What I read though, is you're gonna be 521 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: so disoriented you'll have good luck with any of this. 522 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: That's like punching a shark. Yeah, but some people can 523 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, it happens. Some people have the presence 524 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: of mind to do it. Those people are the ones 525 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: who these instructions are for. Right. Uh. They advise you 526 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: to bail on your ski gear. Um, if you have 527 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: one of those backpacks though, Um, with all your emergency gear, 528 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: obviously you want to hang onto that. Um. Here's the 529 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: hardest part. Why stay calm, Yeah, stay calm um. They 530 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: advise you, if you are honest snowmobile and you get 531 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: removed from it. I don't know how you would do this, 532 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: but try and get out of the path of the 533 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: snowmobile as well, because that will kill you. But again, 534 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: this is all happening so fast. It's just I guess 535 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: you rely on instinct. I guess, so you turn into 536 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: a steely nerved dude. Brouh. And then again staying calm, 537 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: stay calm, You're now buried under snow, and the best 538 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: advice is to stay home. You don't start screaming because 539 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: you're burning your oxygen. No one's gonna hear you because 540 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: they're still pretty far away. Hopefully they have they watched 541 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: you the whole time. We'll get into that in a second, um, 542 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: And you just have to do what you can by 543 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,479 Speaker 1: conserving your energy, conserving your breath, and conserving your voice 544 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: until you hear somebody above you. Then you can start 545 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: screaming as loud as you want, but there's no sense 546 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: in screaming whatsoever until you hear somebody. Um, and then 547 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: you better have that beacon on. If you have that 548 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: beacon on, you set to transmit. You're with one or 549 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: more other people who were with you when this happened. 550 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: Hopefully they're not buried to your chances are actually pretty good. 551 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: There's something like a survival rate um for people who 552 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: are dug out with in the first fifteen minutes. Yeah, 553 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: that's pretty quick though. So I guess that brings us 554 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: to if you are the other bro and you see 555 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: this happen to your friend, Um, this is what you're 556 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: gonna want to do because you were there first. Help 557 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: like you may not have enough time. You know, you 558 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: got fifteen to eighteen minutes. You may not have enough 559 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: time to ski to the rescue unit to get word out. 560 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: So it's sort of up to you to try and 561 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: uh get your buddy out. Yeah. If you're in a 562 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: larger group, then yeah, you send some people back for help, 563 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: and then some other people stay to conduct the search 564 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: and rescue themselves. If it's just you, Basically, every bit 565 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: of advice is, if you have any idea of where 566 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: they went down, where do you think they might be, 567 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: go straight there. Yeah, And it's sort of like, uh, 568 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: following your golf shot, Like if it starts to happen, 569 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: you don't want to look around for help or anything. 570 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: You want to lock your eyeballs on your buddy and 571 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: follow that as long as you can until he completely disappears. 572 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: And wherever he disappears or she, that is your last Uh, 573 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: that's the point of reference you're gonna want to hit first. Yeah, 574 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: you want to just keep your eyes on that point 575 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: and go straight to it. Um you uh, basically you 576 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: want to wait a second. Well, it could be another avalanche. Yeah, 577 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: you want to make sure the snow is settled. Um. 578 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: And then you go over to the area where you 579 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: last saw the person and you take your own beacon. 580 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: Because the cool thing about beacons is not only do 581 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: they transmit, they receive, So any anybody with a beacon 582 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: can transmit for help and receive to lend help. Right. Yeah, 583 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: So when you do that, if you're just one person, 584 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: you go to the last place you saw the person 585 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: and you start your search using your transponder and you 586 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: start doing zig zagging motions down the mountain. Yeah, basically, 587 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: you do a sweep of the avalanche area. You do 588 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: a sweep. You might have something called an avalanche probe 589 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: on you, and that's super long ten or twelve foot 590 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: pole that collapses down to a couple of feet so 591 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: you can have it in your low backpack and you know, 592 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: it's basically a big poker that you can poke down 593 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: in the snow. If you hear your buddy go, then 594 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: that's great. And then um, some ski poles also have 595 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: like like the bottoms come off so that they can 596 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: be turned into um avalanche pokers. And hopefully you have 597 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: a shovel on you, because that is highly recommended as well. 598 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: I don't think they ever pointed that out. Yeah, you 599 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: can shovel a lot faster. You can move snow a 600 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: lot faster with a shovel with your hands. So if 601 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: you have a beacon, a probe, and a shovel, you 602 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: could be Okay, that's a T shirt. Yeah, and the 603 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: other side is a guy like falling off the snows. Uh. 604 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: So you said zigzagging if you're by yourself. If you're 605 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: with a group of folks, they recommend that you lock 606 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: arms and um sort of like you know, when you're 607 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: searching for a dead body in the woods, you just 608 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: set up a line of people to cover as much 609 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: ground as possible, and then if you find your body, 610 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: dig them out and uh, treat them as quickly as possible. 611 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: They may need a little CPR, they may need a 612 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: little t So turn on our CPR podcast your friends. Yeah, 613 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: remember staying alive. Oh yeah, and just pump the chest 614 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: to the beat of staining alive and everything will be 615 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: all right. That's right. Uh. And I've got nothing else 616 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: do you I don't either, Um no, that's about it. 617 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: Or if you want to avoid this stuff altogether, you 618 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: do like me and don't ski? Yeah, no bad country 619 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: sports for you. Huh No, I mean I used to ski, 620 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: but I was never very good. And uh, once you 621 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 1: hit a certain age and you're not a great skier, 622 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: it's like, why why even go out there. I've got 623 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: a fifty percent chance of injuring myself. I would say 624 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: you'd probably have a higher percentage chance than that. You think, Yeah, man, 625 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: I took a I was in Vermont skiing one time 626 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: and I took a spill that It was sort of 627 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: like Chevy Chase and Christmas Vacation. I slid. I had 628 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: to have slid half a mile down this mountain without 629 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: being able to stop myself on my butt without my skis, 630 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: and a little twelve year old maybe snowboarder snowboarded down 631 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: with my skis. Stuck him in next to me and said, dude, 632 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: I've never seen someone slide that far in my life. 633 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: And he snowboarded off, and I said, well, you're pretty young, 634 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, it was pretty entertaining to see. I'm sure, 635 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: and this is when I was younger. It would be 636 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: much funnier now even Oh yeah, you know, like when 637 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: the old guy falls, it's always funny. That's I mean, 638 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: like you said, Chevy Chase movies. I do have one 639 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: more thing, Chuck. It turns out the St. Bernard as 640 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: a mountain rescue dog with its whiskey your brandy cask 641 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: around its neck, supposedly as a myth like they did that. 642 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: They did have St. Bernard's in the Alps and all that, 643 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: and um, they did use them to like carry supplies 644 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: and stuff and sometimes even spirits around their neck, but 645 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: whatever uses like, they were never used as like ski 646 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: patrol avalanche rescue dogs. They were just in the same 647 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: area that avalanche has happened in a lot and they 648 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: just happen to have booze around their necks. I call 649 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: that confirmed. M all right, Well, just the popular conception 650 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: that is St. Bernard is going to run up to 651 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: you and dig you out and then yeah, yes, it's 652 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: not correct. It's a napoleonic lie. I am going to 653 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: say that has happened once, okay, because I want to 654 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: think it happened. It's pretty cool and St. Bernards are 655 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: cool dogs, to be sure. Uh, if you want to 656 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: know more about avalanches, like we said, if you're serious 657 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: about back country sports, you better go take a course. 658 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: You better go to the park services website on avalanches. 659 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: Get that beacon, dude, Yes, or else Josh Clark thinks 660 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: you're a dummy. Um. And you can also go to 661 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com and type in Avalanche in 662 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: the search bar there. And since I said all that, 663 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: that means it's time for a listener mail. I'm gonna 664 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: call this defiling history. And this dude purposefully said, if 665 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: you read this, please don't show Josh because I I 666 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: want to hear his reaction. So here we go. Hey, guys, 667 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: I was listening to the Fourth of July Extravaganza from 668 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: a few years back, uh, and realized I might have 669 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: ruined a piece of American history a few years ago 670 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: about a thicker, older book, looking to hollow it out 671 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: so I could keep money and other important items in 672 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: there that I wanted, uh, that I didn't want to 673 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: keep in my personal safe. He's not. A few days ago, 674 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: I was listening to the part two of that Fourth 675 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: of July extravaganza and on the way back to University 676 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: of Wisconsin, Go Badgers, and I heard you talking about 677 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: the book Epic of America. Do you remember talking about that? Vaguely? Yes. 678 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 1: As we had guest hosts, we had Joe and Dazzo 679 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: and Wyatt Senac in Joe Garden and Halle Haglind so 680 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: they may have reference that book, but I don't remember that. 681 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: I knew that was the name of the book I 682 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: bought to hollow out, but thought, surely it wasn't the 683 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: same book. I got home, took a closer look, and 684 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: it turns out I was wrong. Upon further research, I 685 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: found I had bought a first edition, uh one bona 686 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: fide copy of Epic of America by James tres Low Adams, 687 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: and I cut a hole in the middle of it. 688 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: I thought it's somewhat ironic I chose to fill the 689 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: Epic of America with money. Nonetheless, I'm distraught with my 690 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: lack of knowledge and accidental disregard for one of the 691 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: great analyzes of the American dream, that is from Grant. 692 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: Hermit's here we go, Grant. That's this reaction, Grant indignation. 693 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: He's ticked. You know, we got um hollowed out books 694 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: from the guys who make Rick and Morty Yeah, adult swim, Yeah, 695 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: hollowed out to fit perfectly a flask, the Rick and 696 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: Morty flask. It was pretty neat. Thanks for that. Why 697 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: don't you get one of those? Grant and I thought 698 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: when I saw that book, I thought, well, that's neat. 699 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: They sent us a book and it was called like 700 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: interesting science stuff or something like that. I think it 701 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 1: was called boring Science. Of boring Science's ward people away 702 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: from the book. You want to want to read that 703 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: all right? Then you open it up and you're like, WHOA, 704 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: I've got it on my bar right now. That's awesome. 705 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: Where else would it be? I guess on my shelf. 706 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: You're at work, in your work bag with you at 707 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: all times. H If you want to tell us about 708 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: some bonehead thing you did with a piece of Americana 709 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: or anything else we want to hear about it, you 710 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: can tweak to us at s Y s K Podcast. 711 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: You can join us on our Facebook page at Facebook 712 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: dot com, slash Stuff you Should Know. 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