1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast. I'm 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Dirk Durham and today I have my good friend Bob Towilliger. 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Bob, Yeah. 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: YouTube. 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Bob is someone I really admire. He's been doing the 6 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: backcountry guiding thing for years and he's just stayed active, 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: you know, through his younger days and now in these 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: retirement years, he's still still out there getting after it. 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: And I thought, you know what Everyone's New Year's resolutions 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: at the front of our mind right now. I thought, 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, everybody's wanting to try to get back into 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: shape or get going back on their their workout program 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: or their diet. And I thought, you know, who better. 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of information out there for all these 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: young ThunderCats out there, you know, but you know us 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: guys that are aging a little bit, you know, that's 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: a different animal altogether, I think. So I thought, who 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: better than to get on here than Bob Twilliger. You've 19 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: kind of seen the best of things when it comes 20 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: to fitness and had some setbacks from surgeries and whatnot, 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: and I just kind of thought I'd pick your brain. 22 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: And I think our listeners that really like to hear 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: what you have to say. But first, Bob, tell us 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 1: about your backstory. How did you get into backcountry guiding? 25 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: Where did it all start? 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: So? I actually moved to Colorado thirty years ago. It 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: was work related. I worked for IBM for thirty six years, 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: and as time went on in IBM, I started thinking 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: about life after IBM, particularly as Corporate America started looking 30 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: at moving work offshore and stuff like that, seeing somebodies 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: leave the company, and I just said, you know, I 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: need to be thinking about what's next. And had this 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: passion for outcunning, which I certainly got into hot and 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: heavy when I moved here. And as time went on, 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: you know, I had some success on my own and 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: then lo and behold, an opportunity came in my way 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: to guide through a guy that actually was a head 38 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: packer for a group called Winterhock Outfitters. I'd run into 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: on the trail packing my elk out and he said, 40 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: you need to come down and work for us. And 41 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: I thought about that, and I said, you know what, 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: what a better way to spend you know, my life 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: moving on from corporate America and use my outdoor skills 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 2: and my people skills I developed and IBM to get 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: involved in guiding, So this will actually be my sixteenth 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: year guiding. I don't guide elkhunts full time anymore, although 47 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: I did for nine years. I started when I was 48 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: fifty one, you know, and in those nine years of 49 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: guiding elk hunts, I was out there seven weeks every fall, 50 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: going at it hot and heavy. So, you know, later 51 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: in life, as opposed to some guys do it early. 52 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: I was able to do it later. But certainly some 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: of the stuff we're going to talk about tonight with fitness, 54 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: we'll play right into that. So you know, today I 55 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: still guide. I guy try to guide a couple of 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: weeks a year, you know, elk hunting. I do guide 57 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: a fair amount of fly fishing yet and then the 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: remainder I'm still in the backcountry four or five weeks 59 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: a year between a couple of weeks guiding and then 60 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: hunting with my son and hunting with other friends and 61 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: for myself, you know. So I still get after it 62 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 2: pretty good. 63 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome. So I've kind of said before, you know, 64 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: a person doesn't have to be an elite athlete to 65 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: enjoy el cutting, but I will say you will enjoy 66 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: el cutting more the better shape you're in if you've 67 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: got a few extra pounds, you know, you know, you 68 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: read a lot of internet forum stuff or a lot 69 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: of stuff on Facebook. You know, guys are trying to 70 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, be minimalists on their backpack, you know. Or 71 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: they're they're saving ounces here, they're they're cutting their toothbrush 72 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: handles off, They're doing anything they can to save a 73 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: little bit of weight on their backpack. Yet a lot 74 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: of us carry around several extra pounds in the back 75 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: country every fall. And I feel like, you know, we 76 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: if we tried as hard, you know, from reducing our 77 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: body weight as much as we did or packweight, man, 78 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: we'd really be kicking some butt. But anyway, how how 79 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: important do you think it is to stay have to 80 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: maintain a pretty good level of fitness year round versus 81 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: doing the old up and down thing. I'm kind of 82 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: guilty of the old up and down thing. As soon 83 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: as hunting season closes off, I kind of I kind 84 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: of go into hibernation mode and try to catch up 85 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: on stuff at home and a lot of video editing 86 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of work stuff, and I don't get 87 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: out and I'm not as active as I normally am. 88 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: How important do you think it is to stay stay 89 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: pretty pretty fit year round. 90 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: I think it's real important, and I've been actually been 91 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: fortunate that it's come easy to me. I've been hooked 92 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: on it. You know. I played three sports in high 93 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: school and two in college. And you know, I actually 94 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: use weight training as a means to wean myself off sports. 95 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: But a key ingredient in that too, even when I 96 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: was younger, was it helped me manage stress both in 97 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: the job and at home, you know. And then of 98 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: course how that all translates to el cunning. We all 99 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: know that when you're getting out there and getting after 100 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: it now. I mean, I tell people it is a 101 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: physical test like no other. And you know, if the 102 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 2: hiking and getting up early and the altitude doesn't get 103 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: to you, wait till you get an animal on the 104 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 2: ground and have to wrestle with that and get the 105 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: meat out, you know, and then still get your camp out. 106 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: It's a lot of work. So certainly I'm a big 107 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: advocate of keeping in shape and trying to do that 108 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: year round. That doesn't mean that I don't take some 109 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: breaks and let my body rest. That becomes more important 110 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: with aging. The other thing, of course, that becomes more 111 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: important with aging is that if you don't use your body. 112 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: There's an old saying, if you don't use it, you 113 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: lose it. And what I'll tell you is is that 114 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: as you get older, if you don't keep after it, 115 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: you don't keep after it, you're going to you can 116 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 2: get to a point where you might never get it back. 117 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: And I've been really fortunate, like you pointed out, Dirk, 118 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: just as to provide some example, I'm sixty seven and 119 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: a half. In the last three years, I've had four 120 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: major surgeries I've had you know, over time, I've had 121 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: both hips replace I've had both shoulders worked on, and 122 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: then last year, probably the most serious, I had a 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: three level cervical net fusion to fix some stenosis in 124 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: my neck where I lost strength in my left arm 125 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: and I am a lefty. And the good news is 126 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: all that went good. I followed my doctor's orders in 127 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: my rehab and my cup recovery. But more important than ever, 128 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 2: you know, when I got beyond that point, I stayed 129 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: in the gym, and I stayed with the fitness aspect. 130 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: And you know, I had my surgery last March, and 131 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: lo and behold this October I was packing my elk 132 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: out on my back, you know, seven miles in the 133 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: back country. So it's all doable. It's just a matter 134 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: of prioritizing the exercise to a point where it really 135 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: is a part of your life and it's your ability 136 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: to preserve your quality of life as you get older. 137 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: Great, how often are you hitting the gym? Are you 138 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: going every single day? Are you carving out just like 139 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: a schedule throughout the week. How are you able to 140 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: do this and get in that gym as much as 141 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: you'd like to? 142 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: You know, that's that's an excellent question because particularly for 143 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: younger guys with families or you know, just the wear 144 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: and tear of work, it can make it quite challenging 145 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: and then trying to have a home life too. But 146 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: for me now at my point, and what I've always 147 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: tried to strive for is that I get in there 148 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: to train four or five days a week, you know, 149 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: depending on how my body's feeling. That's something we'll talk about. 150 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: Is that sure? And you don't overdo it, you know. 151 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: The idea is to get yourself in shape, not wear 152 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: your body out, like I've pretty much done a good 153 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: job of that. But good news is they've rebuilt me 154 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: and I'm still going. But I try to get in 155 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: four or five days a week, you know, weight training, 156 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: and you know, I try to make sure I at 157 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: least take one to two days off a week, and 158 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: within there I do some I do some cardio stuff too, 159 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: but leave it or not. I don't do as much 160 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: cardio as some people might think, and that's partly due 161 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: to the way that I work out. I work out 162 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: at a fast pace. I do, you know a lot 163 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: of different exercises, you know, where I super set and 164 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: do one thing and then go do something else where. 165 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: I'm not sitting around like a power lifter would resting, 166 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: you know, so I get my heart rate up in 167 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: other ways, and then I still you know, I do 168 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: a little bit of cardio, but more the high intensity cardio, 169 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: you know, versus the long range endurance cardio, because that 170 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: kind of a tendency to actually break your body down 171 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: and lose muscle too. 172 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: So you're saying you do like probably lower weight, higher 173 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: reps and maybe taple like circuit training type stuff. 174 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: Yes, yep, that's that's exactly what I do. I focus 175 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: on the total body workout. I tend at my age now. 176 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: I mean I used to. When I was younger, I 177 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: worked each muscle group twice a week, So if I 178 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: worked arms or legs, I did that. I had a 179 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: routine I did twice a week. As I've gotten older, 180 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 2: I do each muscle group one day a week. And 181 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: what I like about that is it enables me to 182 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: focus on some of the smaller stuff, particularly like in 183 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: the shoulders, like your rotator cuff, rear delts, side delts, 184 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, not just the stuff that looks 185 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: good in the mirror from the front, you know. And 186 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: then by working each muscle group hard one day a week, 187 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: you know, I'm getting you know, a full, complete workout 188 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: on that muscle group. But I give myself a week 189 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: to recover before I hit it again. So you know, 190 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: I'm very very conscious that I don't want to overtrain 191 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: because that's how you develop inflammation, that's how you develop injuries. 192 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: And you know, again with aging, that's something you really 193 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: need to be focused on. And even when you're younger, 194 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: you know, because you go at it hard, sometimes you 195 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: just need to back off and let your body recuperate. 196 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 2: That's key to really key to getting stronger is on 197 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: your muscles to recover. Well. 198 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: I've seen some pictures of you back when you were 199 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: a young buck, and you're pretty impressive. You're pretty impressive. 200 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: You've kind of a specimen, and I've seen some pictures 201 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: of you these days and you're still kind of a specimen. 202 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: So I think it's working. Whatever you're doing. It sounds 203 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: like now you see a lot of guys doing like 204 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: you kind of alluded to a little bit earlier, some 205 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: of the powerlifting stuff, doing a lot of cleans and 206 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: just like really heavy things do you do I almost 207 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: take I feel like you have the take on it, like, man, 208 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: maybe that isn't as beneficial because you can really hurt yourself. 209 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, absolutely, And probably the one thing I should 210 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: have said in the beginning I'll say is that I've 211 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: had some really good help over the years. Probably Number 212 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: one is my son. Because I'm not a certified nutrition 213 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: I'm not a certified trainer, but I've been doing I've 214 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: been working out a long time with my athletic So 215 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: my son actually has a degree in high performance sports 216 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: training in kinesiology. So a lot of the information that 217 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: I'll talk about here, you know, is courtesy of him. 218 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: But you're right, some of those exercises and the real 219 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: heavy weight, you know, you put yourself at risk. And 220 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that I like to 221 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: say to younger guys is that, particularly because as we're 222 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: all younger, I did it, you're trying to do really 223 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 2: super superman heavy weight. You know a lot of times 224 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: you can do it, and you think you're getting away 225 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: with it. But things that you think you're getting away 226 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: with later in life have a way of showing up. 227 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: So you need to you really need to keep that 228 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: in mind, you know, and and and you know, the 229 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: other thing I'll say is it relates to exercises. As 230 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: you get older, some of the more things that you 231 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: did when you were younger that I would call higher 232 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: risk exercises. You need to find other ways to work 233 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: those muscles within a means that's lower risk. So for example, 234 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: a great example of that is that one thing God 235 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: has always blessed me with his good legs, which plays 236 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: real key into you know, elk hunting. I used to 237 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: do a lot of squats. I could do heavy squats, 238 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: you know, traditional barbell squats. I don't do those anymore. 239 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: My body's not going to take that. What I do 240 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 2: do is I'm fortunate the jim I belong to they 241 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: have a machine called the Rogue Belt Squad, So the 242 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: belt actually goes around your waist and you're really pulling 243 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: with your waist and you get the leg strength training 244 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: benefits that you get from squats, but doing it in 245 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: a means that's a lot lower risk. Another one I 246 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: would talk about is deadlifts. You know, dead lifts, a 247 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: lot of guys can deadlift a lot of weight. Well, 248 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: as you get older, you know, and particularly you try 249 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: to crank that weight up, you can easily strain your back. 250 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: You know, there's other ways and machines that you can 251 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: use to do some of the same stuff. Cleans is 252 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 2: probably another great one. You know, if you're going to 253 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: do cleans as you get older, stay light because that body, 254 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: that heavyweight jarn you you know it will it will 255 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: compress your joints or later it's going to show up 256 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: and it's going to impact your ability to do what 257 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: you want to do. 258 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: So kind of give us some So you said you 259 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: don't focus too much on cardio, do you ever do 260 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: do you ever do any rucking? What do you think 261 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: about rucking? You know, to get in shape for elk hunting. 262 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what you mean. 263 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: So throwing a backpack on with a certain amount of weight, 264 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: maybe forty pounds in your pack at sixty pounds, I. 265 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: Do a lot of that. That's that was one of 266 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: the things I like to do. Is that typically is 267 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes here in Colorado we get off 268 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: and on, we get breaks in the weather all winter. 269 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: So I will throw a backpack on maybe twenty twenty 270 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: five thirty pounds, and I'll go on like a three 271 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: or four mile hike, you know, up and back and 272 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: push it. You know, I'm not out there trying to 273 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: do seven, eight, ten miles. You know, I don't need 274 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: to do that because all I'm going to do is 275 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 2: wear myself down. I want to try to I want 276 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: to try to build myself up so that elk season 277 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: comes around in September, I'm just hitting my peak so 278 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: then I can really get after it. I don't want 279 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: to be worn out when September comes. I want to 280 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: be ready to go. But no, that's a good one. 281 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: One of the other ones that I like to do 282 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: where I can get my heart rate up and I 283 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: keep the weight light so I can really you know, 284 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: almost sprint when I'm doing it, but I do a 285 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 2: lot of sled poles, you know, both up and back. 286 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: It works on power in your legs, but it also 287 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: it gets your heart rate up good. You know, if 288 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: you got a buddy and you just kind of alternate 289 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: back and forth, and if you've got a decent place 290 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: in your gym or somewhere to do that, you'd be surprised. 291 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: You get your heart rate up really good just doing 292 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: stuff like that. Rowing machines probably one I like to 293 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: do if I'm indoors as well, because this total body 294 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: and I find I can get my heart rate up 295 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: really quick with that, as opposed to some of the 296 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: stationary bikes. I mean these new bikes, you know, where 297 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: you're using your upper body and lower body, they're more intense. 298 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: My problem with those for an older guy like myself, 299 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: you know, the resistance is stiff enough that you know, 300 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: if I do too much of that, it can get 301 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: my knees aggravated, So I I try to stay away. 302 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: From that right on. You ever do like the stair climbers. 303 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: I know Jason Selps is a huge that's his kind 304 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: of go to cardio workout. Is he love He's got 305 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: a stair climber, and he'll send me pictures of him 306 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: just dridged in sweat. You know, he'll do it on 307 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: his lunch break or whatever, and he'll climb a thousand 308 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: feet or whatever on a lunch break, and they're awesome. 309 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: In fact, I'm going to tell you that, you know, 310 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: I used to when I was younger. I was, I 311 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: was a much bigger guy. Now I go about one 312 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety pounds. I'm back to my high school week, 313 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: and that's because we just can't maintain the muscle mass. 314 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: But I was almost two twenty when I was in 315 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: my thirties and forties, and I was every bit as lean, 316 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: and I was addicted to running ten k's And the 317 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: way I used to train for ten k's was not 318 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: running on the road, was using that stair climber. No wow, Yeah, 319 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: And I ran a thirty nine to fifteen ten k 320 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: in the Boulder Bowler when I was like thirty nine 321 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: years old at two hundred and twenty pounds. So the 322 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: stair climbers, they definitely work. 323 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, yeah, definitely. I've noticed that that rucking or 324 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, throwing a backpack on and especially if it's heavy. Man. 325 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: It's sure if you can do that before season, definitely 326 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: leading up to season, it sure toughens up your shoulders, 327 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: because I know on yours I haven't done that. And 328 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: the first few days of the hunt, Man, my shoulders 329 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: are getting tired. You know, you're putting on a lot 330 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: of miles every day, and you're you're not used to 331 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: carrying a backpack, especially one with you know, with all 332 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: my gear, and I imagine I'd have to weigh it, 333 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: but I bet it's at least twenty pounds with all 334 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: my gear, with the water and food and everything included. 335 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: And like the first couple of days, man, you shoulders, like, man, 336 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: they're getting kind of tired. But I felt like, if 337 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: I've you know, the month or two leading up to 338 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: elk season, if I've been active with a pack, with 339 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: a backpack, you know, carrying heavy loads, you know, I'll 340 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: do a lot of I'll put out trail cameras and 341 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: I'll put some salt out just to draw an animal there, 342 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: to get to see what there is on the camera, 343 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: and in some pretty nasty country and through the summer, 344 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: and I really love that. And it's a it's a 345 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: it's a great workout that I really enjoy to do. 346 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: But it sure it'll sure tell you where you're lacking, 347 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, and endurance, the ability to carry a heavy load, 348 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 1: you know, bag assaults sixty pounds or whatever, plus all 349 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: your year, you know, and some pretty uneven terrain. 350 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: You know. 351 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: It's almost like the same places you would normally would 352 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: would traverse during an elk an elk season. So it 353 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: really gets you into into shape. And you know, wherever 354 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: it's legal, I mean, that's a pretty great workout, but 355 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: some some states they kind of frown upon that. But anyway, 356 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: I'll set out some trail cameras and sometimes I'll get 357 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: some stuff on there, and sometimes I won't get anything, 358 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: but but it's still it's still fun. It's like Christmas 359 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: Day every time you open up that trail. 360 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: No, I do the same. In one comment I would 361 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: make there is because you know, not all guys are 362 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: as fortunate as we are to live in the mountains area, 363 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 2: you know, so it can be harder to train. And 364 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: you know, there's no reason though you can't put a 365 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: weighted backpack and get on that stair climber, for example, 366 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: I see a lot of guys doing that. You know, 367 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: and that's a great way to train for those that 368 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: don't live here. I also try to do, you know, 369 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: at least two backpacking trips during the summer with my son, 370 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: where it's kind of combo where I'm doing some fly 371 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: backcountry fly fishing, but also doing some scouting maybe if 372 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: I'm in a new area, you know, and again we 373 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: got we got that heavy pack on and you're in 374 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: the terrain that you're going to be in the fall, 375 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: you know. I also use it as an opportunity sometimes 376 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: not only to scout, but just to go out there 377 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 2: with on X and try to find some easy way 378 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: in and outs to some of the areas that I 379 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: want to hunt if I'm a newer country. 380 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, yeah, I love that summertime scouting stuff. 381 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 2: You know. 382 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: Some folks, you know, they're like, you know, I just 383 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: don't you know, who live in Elk Country. They're just 384 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: they say, you know, I don't have the luxury of 385 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, taking the time away from my family or 386 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: whatever to go check these places out. And I'm always like, well, 387 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: you kind of sometimes have to do it like a 388 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: dual purpose trip, you know, take the family and then 389 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: get up early. A lot of times. You know, my 390 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: family they always like to kind of sleep in when 391 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: we're camping, so that that leaves you to get up 392 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: super early before daylight, get out there, get your work done, 393 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: and get your check things checked out, and then get 394 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: back to camp about the time everybody comes out of bed, 395 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: and and it works great for everybody, and and it 396 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: just makes such a great summer. So that's a yeah, 397 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things to do. What are 398 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: some other things you can think of that that that 399 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: you had written down there that they would kind of 400 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: help our listeners get in shape stay in shape? What 401 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: about like diet? Are you just like chugging beers all 402 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: the time and and wine and whiskey and you know, 403 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: just living it up eating cheeseburgers. What what do you 404 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: what are you doing for your diet? They say you 405 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: can't outwork a bad diet. How do you feel about that? 406 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's a that's a great point, you know, 407 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: and you know, I'll put it in context here that 408 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: one of the discussions I like to have on this 409 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: subject is that you know, particularly for you guys that 410 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: are younger, you can you can get away with a 411 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: whole lot when you're younger, you can get away with 412 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 2: eating a whole lot of stuff that you as you 413 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: get later years, you're not going to be able to 414 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 2: eat unless you want to weigh three hundred pounds. You 415 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: can get away with drinking more, you can get away 416 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: with even getting away from exercise. But as you get older, 417 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 2: those things will all work against you if you do them. 418 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 2: And of course drinking is one of them that I 419 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: like to talk about. I mean I like to have 420 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: I'm not I've never been a beer guy, but I 421 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: know a lot of what I call these new high 422 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: test brews or micro bruise. You know, these I p 423 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: as a lot of younger folks are drinking. You know, 424 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: they're they're fine and moderation. But if you go out 425 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: and you really tear into those, you got to realize that. 426 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: You know, in a sixteen ouch plint, you're probably talking 427 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: about three hundred and fifty calories of pop or more, 428 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 2: depending on the potency of that beer. I tend to 429 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: more take a little nip a whiskey or two. You know, 430 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: I enjoy that, particularly in the back country because there's 431 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: not a lot of weight. The other thing that you'll 432 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: find as you get older, if you want to get 433 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 2: up and hunt the next morning. You don't want to 434 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: be drinking a lot of beer before you go to 435 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: bed because you're going to spend all night going to 436 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 2: the bathroom. And that's another that's another subject for another day. 437 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, certainly alcohol is one. Diet's another one. I mean, 438 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you I eat well, but I try 439 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: to eat balanced. I try to make sure I take 440 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: in enough protein. That can be really hard to do. 441 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: There are some magic numbers around protein, depending on how 442 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: you talk to They talk about one point five grams 443 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: of protein for every kilogram of body fat. So I'm 444 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety pounds, that's roughly eighty six kilograms. 445 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: That says I should be taken in one hundred and 446 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: thirty grams of protein a day. If I'm working out hard, 447 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: that's easier. That's easier said than done. You've got to 448 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: really focus on what I'm taking into your body, you know. 449 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: And you do got to eat, you know. But what 450 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: you don't want to do is you don't want to 451 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: beat and a bunch of fried foods. If you've got 452 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: a sweet tooth, that's going to work against you. Those 453 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: are just empty calories. That are going to, you know, 454 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: work against you in the long haul. You know. The 455 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: one thing I will say, though, particularly as you established 456 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: the habit and you get working out on the schedule 457 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: that works for you and a routine that works for you, 458 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: is that part of the fun of exercising is you 459 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 2: can eat what you want now and then. And I 460 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: strongly encourage cheat days or when you go on vacation, 461 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: you know you're going to splurge a little bit. I mean, 462 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: that's that's cold living. But you know, the bulk of 463 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: the year, I try to keep it between the boundaries. 464 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: You know. I make sure I take in enough food, 465 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: but I'm not overdoing it and I do you know, 466 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: I do. I don't worry too much. For me, I 467 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: have a high metabolism and sometimes if I put on 468 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: a little bit more weight during the winter, I know 469 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to burn it off when up there and 470 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: start hiking at elevation. But for some guys, that's that's 471 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: not an option. So you're going to need to really 472 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: tune into the calories you take in and make sure 473 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 2: you're taking in the right calories, not stuff that's just 474 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: gonna put extra pounds on your midsection. 475 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, good point. I'd like to take a moment 476 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: here to remind everybody if you have any questions for 477 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: me or Jason Phelps or a guest, email CTD at 478 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: phelpsgame Calls dot com and we'll read your question on 479 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: air and see if we can get anybody to answer 480 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: them for you. I don't have any of those today, Jason, 481 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: He's been kind of clearing out that that bucket of questions, 482 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: So that's been good. So other aspects of the hunt, 483 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: you know, I've I feel like there's a lot of 484 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: people doing a lot of big lift like heavyweight liifts. 485 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: What you're telling me makes more sense because you're kind 486 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: of doing a complete body workout. You're built, you're kind 487 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: of building staminay, you're building some strength, but you're not 488 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: overdoing it. You know. Some of those exercise I see 489 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: people doing, they're pretty risky, Like let's say a whole 490 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: bunch of those pull ups or maybe those weird pull 491 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: ups the crossfitters do though, just man, they make my 492 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: shoulders freak out right. Yeah, So how I feel like 493 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: pull ups probably, I mean, they're a pretty good workout 494 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: for a lot of muscle groups. But and I just 495 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: try to picture in the back country, what I'm doing 496 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: every day in the back country, and what kind of 497 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: exercises I'm going to need to get me to the 498 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: elk once they get the elk killed, get the elk 499 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: worked up, hung up, and then extracted from the woods. 500 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 1: Do you have any tips, you know, for for some 501 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: of those for you know, once you get your elk down, 502 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: or or maybe some of those maybe some little key 503 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: workouts that you've really seen that really benefited some of 504 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: the some of the things that that you actually have 505 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: to do when you're elk hunting, Like there's like, you know, 506 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: you got this little secret exercise you really like that 507 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: You've seen some difference. It moves the needle for you 508 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: doing l hunting things. 509 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, yeah. I mean, first of all, I'll say 510 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: that for elk cunting, you know, a strong core, a 511 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: strong bat, strong core, strong back, strong legs is absolutely essential. 512 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: I mean you got to really work on that. So 513 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: you need some leg strength, you know, and certainly stuff 514 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: like squats, lunges, leg press, glute races. That's another one 515 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: that blutes is you know, gals work on glutes a lot, right, 516 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: but a lot of guys you don't see guys work 517 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 2: on their glutes, particularly younger guys in the gym. And 518 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: what I can tell you is where I learned about 519 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: glutes is when I had my hips replaced. You know, 520 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: I got after you know, I got going again pretty 521 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 2: quick after that. I tried to guide full time that fall, 522 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: and lo and behold, my knees started acting. But I 523 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: never had much trouble with my knees, thank goodness. And 524 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: what I really learned from that is that I didn't 525 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: work my glutes, and from those hip replaces, my glutes 526 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 2: got really weak. But glutes are where you get your 527 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: power going uphill. Blots are where you're going to be 528 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: able to carry those heavy loads. So that's one area 529 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: I would definitely hone in on. And there's a lot 530 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: of great, you know, leg strength exercises. What's really key 531 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: because we're all built symmetrically different. Certain machines might work 532 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: well for me, but maybe not for a guy that's 533 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 2: shorter and thicker than me, and vice versa. So you've 534 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: got to explore and get some help on those things, 535 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 2: you know, to find out what's going to work for you. 536 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: But you really like strength, and that core strength is important. 537 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: Upper body strength the course is important. You know, you're 538 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 2: shooting a bow, you know, you really want to work 539 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: on your shoulders and your back muscles, you know, and uh, 540 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 2: you know you're gonna need to be strong up top too. 541 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: You get an elk on the ground, you gotta skin 542 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: this thing by yourself. It's not easy, you know. And 543 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: I can about the last three I've done. Unfortunately, I've 544 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: done by myself. And it's not like when I was 545 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: younger and I could just throw these things around. Not 546 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: that I was throwing them around like a white tail, 547 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: but I can move them around pretty good. And now 548 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: it's a lot more challenging. So I got stuff like 549 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: extra paracoute sure parachute cord in my pack. I'm cying 550 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: off legs, or if I got to roll one over 551 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: and he's you know, I got to roll him up 552 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 2: hill because of the way he died. To skin the 553 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: other side, at least I can get a rope on 554 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: each leg, front and rear and tie it to the 555 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: tree uphill and kind of get him halfway up the 556 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: hill and then get underneath it. So it's a little 557 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: stuff like that that is really going to be important 558 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 2: to being able to deal with it. You know, as 559 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: you get older, and even for for younger guys, you know, 560 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: if you're not as big and strong as some of 561 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: the other guys out there, you know. 562 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, use those loads leverage points and and I've 563 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: I've worked up a lot of elk by myself and 564 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: parachute cord man. That's really saved the day in certain 565 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: circumstances steep on super steep ground, for instance. Yeah, tying 566 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: off that that elks and to keep it from sliding 567 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 1: down the hill and further. But once I've got that 568 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: thing anchor, it's pretty good. It seemed like it was 569 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: really steep ground. It seems like I could maneuver the bowl, 570 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: you know, back and forth, side to side pretty well. 571 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: But you know, making sure you do that before you 572 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: get to rolling the thing around too much, and you 573 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: save yourself a lot of work. That thing starts tumbling 574 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: down the hill and gets wedged between a blowdown in 575 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: the ground, and now you've got to you got your 576 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: work cut out for you. 577 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no doubt, no doubt. The other thing 578 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: I do too, for packing them out is that you know, 579 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 2: I didn't used to worry about this. I mean, there 580 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: are times I put two lank quarters on my frame 581 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: pack and packed it out bone in. As I've gotten older, 582 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: you know, I bone everything out, you know, And that's 583 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: one thing I'd encourage guys, particularly if you're way back 584 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: in or an older hunter. You know, there's lots of 585 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 2: great videos out there on YouTube on how to you know, 586 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: bone out a quarter including the front shoulder and one 587 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: nice piece you can roll it up and keep all 588 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 2: the clean meat against clean meat, use good quality game 589 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 2: bags and you're getting rid of a lot of weight 590 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: that way, you know. And it also makes it easier 591 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: to get it and you're cooler and get it chilled 592 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 2: down too without that bony, you know, depending on where 593 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: you are and what you're doing and what your packing 594 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: abilities are. 595 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: Right there seems to be a lot of information or 596 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: ideas on the internet of how much how much meat 597 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: or does a guy actually pack out of the back country, 598 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: because you know, there's there's all these different takes on, oh, 599 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: it's a twelve hundred pound animal and a boil is 600 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: a twelve hundred pound animal, or it's an eight hundred 601 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: pound animal, you know, and then people try to figure 602 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: out the waste difference between you know, guts, hide and 603 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: feathers versus meat they're actually going to pack out. But 604 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: kind of what I've I've found and I'll i'll let 605 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: you weigh in on this too. Is so if you 606 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: do the gutless method and you leave the bones in 607 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: the in the front shoulder and the hind quarter cut 608 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: off at the knee, no heide on it on an 609 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: app And then this is these are Idaho measurements. So 610 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: an average Idaho five point or a big out of 611 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: a five point average smaller six point, you're going to 612 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: look at about a sixty five pound hind quarter and 613 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: about a forty five pound front shoulder yep. And then 614 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: with all the neck meat, rib meat and the backstraps, 615 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: your total weight you're going to be anywhere from two 616 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: hundred to two hundred and fifty pounds. Would that kind 617 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: of would that kind of jive with what you've seen 618 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: over the years. 619 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, And you know I did shoot a nice 620 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: six by here in Colorado. I guess it was a 621 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: couple of years ago now, and we boned it out 622 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 2: and we weighed all the meat because we we ended 623 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: up you know, we had a packet to where my 624 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: remote camp was, and then I've got a couple of mules, 625 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: so that my buddy brought them in and we threw 626 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: the meat on mules. But we made weighed all the meat, 627 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 2: and it was two hundred and twenty five pounds of meat. Now, 628 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: so sometimes it can be bigger. Yet you know, you 629 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: shoot a good one. Yeah, yeah, I'd say your numbers 630 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: are right on that. Sixty sixty five pounds is about 631 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: average for a hind quarter in front quarter, you know, 632 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: depending enough, if you got the neck meat and the 633 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 2: flank meat all attached to one piece, or forty five 634 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: pounds is definitely in. 635 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: The ballpark, right. And then I think a lot of 636 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: people kind of get caught up in like, man, you 637 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: got to pack all this meat out, you know, right 638 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: away before it gets spoiled. I don't know if I 639 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: can do it. And you know, because they start thinking 640 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: about that two hundred fifty pounds or maybe maybe they've 641 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: heard other people say, you know, you're going to have 642 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: three or four hundred pounds of meat to pack out, 643 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: which maybe on a giant, like the biggest bull in 644 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: the world, I don't know. You have to look at 645 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: like what a big shyris moose, you know, ways here 646 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: in the lower forty eight. You know, you get too much, 647 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: you get to inflate in the numbers too much, and 648 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: you're looking at how much of moose weighs right of 649 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: how much meat use is going to have on it. 650 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: But honestly, I think it's very doable. Like let's say 651 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: you have that sixty five pounds behind quarter. You cut 652 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: out all the bones. You've probably dropped what would you say, 653 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: fifteen pounds a bone out of that thing? 654 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, easy, easy, yep. 655 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So so you subtract that out. Now you're getting 656 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: down into a party manageable load. And like you said, 657 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, you've packed out a lot of two quarters 658 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: at once. I've done that too, and it's it's a lot, 659 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: it's a lot of weight. But this isn't like a 660 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: This isn't a race like a speed race. This is 661 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: a marathon. You to you have to finish this race. 662 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: I always tell people, you got to finish this race. 663 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: So don't try to overdo it. You know, have your temper, 664 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: your expectations, like, Okay, what can I carry comfortably where 665 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: I can go out? Make another trip back, go out, 666 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: make another trip back, go out. You know, maybe that's 667 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: forty fifty pounds a load, you know, and during your 668 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: training sessions you've been carrying a forty or fifty pound 669 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: load out in the summertime, and it's like, well, yeah, 670 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: I can do that. You know, it's heavy or whatever. 671 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: It's a lot when I'm when I get on this 672 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: deep stuff, but I can do that, and you're not 673 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: going to kill yourself. I think some people kind of 674 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: get they try to do too much. Maybe the first 675 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: trip they're like, oh, I'm gonna really I don't want 676 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: to have to pack too many too many loads here, 677 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: and maybe they kind of fizzle out on that first 678 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: load and trip and then it becomes a really bad experience. 679 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I fully agree, you know. I mean the other 680 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: thing it can be too, as you will understand Durky, 681 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 2: it can be a safety issue too. You know, you're 682 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: back in there a long ways and if you trip 683 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 2: and fall and you know you're stepping over lowdowns and 684 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: whatever and get into the trail of you know, it 685 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: takes you down to where the trail head is or 686 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: where you're hunting at. You know. I definitely like to 687 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: use trek and poles. I never did when I was younger. 688 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 2: Once in a while I pick up a walk and stick, 689 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: but I felt like I didn't need it because I 690 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: could just power through it. But with age, I use 691 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: trek and poles every time because on Steve faces you 692 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: get wet, slippery snow. You know, anything like that, you 693 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: know it's going to help. And the trucking polls that 694 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: actually help take some weight off your lower body, you know. 695 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 2: And then the other thing that helps nowadays too is 696 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 2: that these new backpacks carry so much better than those 697 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 2: old freighter frame style ones that you know, you talk 698 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: about digging into your shoulders, those things will kill you 699 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 2: and digging into your hips. But there's so many good 700 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: backpacks on the market now, and it's it's a matter 701 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: of just finding one that fits you right and fits 702 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: your budget. Even if you buy it used, you don't 703 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: have to buy news a lot of good stuff out 704 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 2: there on eBay or you know, Facebook, marketplace wherever. You 705 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: know you'll find that those are going to help you 706 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 2: out play a bit toobes. You know. 707 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: I feel like we should have some bonus material here 708 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: instead of just talking about fitness and stuff. I mean 709 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people are really like to talk about that, 710 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: but like to talk about elk hunting. So tell us 711 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: a little bit about guiding guiden elk hunters. What are 712 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: some things that you can give our listeners maybe that 713 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: who've never hunted elk before, maybe they've they've wanted to 714 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: do a di I Y or maybe they've wanted to 715 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: do a guided hunt. What are some things that they 716 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: can they can do or maybe some expectations that they're 717 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: going to have when they come to the tel camp 718 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: that maybe they didn't realize before before they've ever experienced 719 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: el cutting. 720 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, sure. One of the biggest things that you know, 721 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 2: although we say we're going to talk about elk hunting, 722 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 2: fitness comes right into that. Yeah, you're if you're not 723 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 2: in shape, and I'm not again, you know, you made 724 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 2: the right point, Dirk. You don't have to be a 725 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 2: world class athlete to do this. I'm not saying that 726 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 2: at all. But there's no doubt about it that the 727 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: better shape you go in, the better time you're going 728 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 2: to have, the more you're going to enjoy your hunt, 729 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: and you're gonna be able to hunt harder. And I 730 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 2: don't care if that's a you know, do it yourself 731 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 2: or a guided hunter or a drop camp. You know, 732 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 2: you pick it, you go up there and you get 733 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 2: up at ten thousand feet. You know in Colorado sometimes 734 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: I'm hunting higher. I'm mounting up eleven thousand feet, maybe 735 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: even a little above. It definitely plays a role. So 736 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: coming to shape is definitely a key aspect. I would 737 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: say that. You know, of course, a guide hunt is 738 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 2: going to cost you a lot more money, but you 739 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 2: know you need to be you know, do your homework 740 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 2: on what outfit or you go to. But you know, 741 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: if you haven't done it before, you haven't hunter mustards 742 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 2: where all you've ever hunted is white tails. You really 743 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: you might want to give a guy to hunt some 744 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: serious thought because it's way different and hunting white tails. 745 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 2: You know, in other parts of the country. You know 746 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 2: we're hunting on the move all the time. If you 747 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 2: talk about archery, you know you can cover six, eight 748 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 2: ten miles a day is nothing, and you know it 749 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 2: doesn't require some knowledge about how to hunt these animals, 750 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 2: how to call to them, and when to call to them. 751 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 2: So there's there's more to it than meets the eye. 752 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: Rifle hunts, certainly, if you go second or third rifle 753 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 2: and you're doing it, do it yourself. You know you're 754 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: going to get out there and try to find animals 755 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 2: and then find a place where they're crossing and get 756 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 2: a place where you can see and shoot and glass. 757 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 2: And you know you certainly can have success that way. 758 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 2: But still, you know, it's it's not easy. I mean, 759 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 2: you look at the success rates across these states and 760 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 2: it's definitely a challenge, you know. I mean, I think 761 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: you're in Colorado, the average going rate is about a 762 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 2: twenty percent success rate. If you talk archery, it's like 763 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 2: ten percent. So it's tough. There is there is a learning. 764 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 2: But the thing I'll tell you is, once you do it, 765 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 2: I don't care if you do do it yourself. You 766 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 2: do a guide you're going to because you don't want 767 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: to come again, because it's an experience like no other, 768 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: and it's just a lot of fun to be out 769 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 2: there in the open and see these animals. 770 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: And maybe that's uh, maybe that's your why and why 771 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: to get ape or stay in shape. Is is that 772 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: your motivation? Elk cutting? Like once you once you taste 773 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: that that elk hunting for the first time, you're like, 774 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: like you said, they're hooked and right now now it's like, okay, 775 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in better shape. I'm gonna stay stay 776 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: in better shape. So here's one. Let's say, let's do calling. 777 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: So you do a lot of archery elk hunting, whether 778 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: whether whether it's you and your son or with clients. 779 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: When you guys are calling in bulls, do you do 780 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: you guys separate? So your collar shooter scenario and how 781 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: far in between the collar and the shooter do you 782 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: guys normally set up? 783 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 2: You know, a lot of that can depend on the 784 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 2: terrain and where we run into them, as you know, 785 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 2: but all things being equal, you know, I like to 786 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 2: be I like to be sixty seventy yards behind my shooters, 787 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 2: you know, simply because I don't want to be if 788 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 2: I can help it, I don't want to be pinned dot. 789 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 2: I want to be able to move elk. Don't stay 790 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 2: in one spot. I'm snapping limbs. I've even walked in 791 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 2: water before. Try to sound like animals. So I like 792 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 2: to be able to move around. I'll go from one 793 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,439 Speaker 2: spot to the other, use different cow calls. Maybe I'll, 794 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 2: you know, if I got a bullet's hung up, I might, 795 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 2: you know, even back off and do a long distance 796 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 2: you know, do a location bugle at first, and then 797 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 2: move back up, wait a while, do some do some 798 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 2: some estrous cow calls, and when he answers me back, 799 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 2: I'll scream over top of him, and I'll tell you 800 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 2: more than once I've had him come charging in those circumstances, 801 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 2: you know, particularly if they have n't been over hunting, 802 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 2: which you know, honest, that is getting harder to do 803 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 2: here in Colorado. But I did have some fun this 804 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 2: past fall with that kind of stuff because I hunted 805 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 2: in one of the units where it's very tough to draw, 806 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 2: and those elk weren't near as educated. It was like 807 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 2: the good old days, So I had one with that. 808 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 2: But now I definitely like some distance. But sometimes you 809 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 2: can't help it. Sometimes you get up there and you 810 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 2: let a call, and I tell my hunters all the time, 811 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 2: you know that you have to be mentally ready one 812 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 2: hundred percent of the time, because you can be going 813 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: along and not hear anything, and all of a sudden 814 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 2: you just let out a simple faint cow call, and 815 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, here's this bull that's inside forty 816 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 2: or fifty yards in the timber, and he's screaming at you. 817 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 2: And you got to be able to ready to pick 818 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 2: a set up and go with it. 819 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: So have you seen much buck fever kind of overtake hunters, 820 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: You know when when a bull starts coming in and 821 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: they just watch them walk by instead of drawing their bone. 822 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 2: I have, and I talk about that, you know, I say, 823 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 2: once you know that it's an animal that you want 824 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 2: to take, you need to be thinking about where you're 825 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 2: gonna shoot them in terms of the opening. You know, 826 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 2: you need to be thinking about the distance where you're 827 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 2: gonna hold on that animal, and you want to be 828 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 2: focused on the spot you know you're aiming at that animal, 829 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 2: and don't be looking at his horns, don't be thinking 830 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 2: about how he's going to look over the mantle to 831 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 2: your fireplace, because those are all recipes for a miss 832 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 2: or maybe to not even get the shot off, you know. 833 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 2: So there's a mental checklist that guys really need to 834 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,399 Speaker 2: go through to prepare for those moments where you think about, 835 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 2: you know, shooting openings, distance, where's going to be your 836 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 2: draw points, if your arm when that bull steps behind 837 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 2: that tree, it would be an opportunity for me to draw. 838 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 2: Getting yourself turned in the right direction before they get 839 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 2: too close. All those kinds of factors you need to 840 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 2: be thinking about in advance, And I really encourage guys 841 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 2: to think about that before they even come on their hunt, 842 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 2: and think about it when they're out there in the 843 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 2: field practicing, because what happens is when you get in 844 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 2: the spur of the moment that bull is screaming, you know, 845 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 2: and there's steam coming out of his nose. You know, 846 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 2: if you're fortunate enough to run into those, you know, 847 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 2: your heart's going to be pounding out of your chest 848 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 2: and you want to be able to just where it's 849 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 2: muscle memory and you're not having to think through that 850 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 2: stuff because you may not even get the shot off, 851 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 2: and lord knows, they don't give you much time. It's 852 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 2: it's seconds, it's it's not a long time in most circumstances, 853 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 2: particularly in calling situations. 854 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: I think that visualizing is very key in your visualizing 855 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: success right, and you're visualizing big. I always tell any 856 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,399 Speaker 1: of my friends that we're hunting together, especially if they're 857 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: pretty new at hunting, I tell them, don't just think 858 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: this is going to be some raghorn bull that's coming in, 859 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: maybe has a wi wimpy bugle or whatever. But I've 860 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: I've always kind of like, try to temper my expectations. 861 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a big one. This 862 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: is going to be a really big bull. How am 863 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: I going to keep my crap together? Like, okay, I'm 864 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: going to focus on all the things you just said. 865 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: That's the same things I focus on. 866 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 2: Okay? 867 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: When where? Where is that bowl going to walk out? 868 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: Where am I going to draw my bow? Where am 869 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to pick a spot, you know, and 870 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,479 Speaker 1: my whole before I draw my bow? Am I hold 871 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 1: my bow? Ride? 872 00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 2: You know? 873 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: We've got to make sure my hand placements right on 874 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: the bow, I pull it back level by level my bubble, 875 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: you know, make sure my strings on my nose at 876 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: my anchor point. I'm looking through my peep site, making 877 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: sure the peep site and the the site housing are centered, 878 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: and then finding finding the target. How far was he? 879 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: Because I already arranged everything, okay. Put the pin on there, okay, 880 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: and then don't just hammer the trigger. You know, I'd 881 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:29,280 Speaker 1: make a make a good controlled shot. See it sounds 882 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: like a lot and when it when it works, it 883 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: seems like man, that was easy. And when it doesn't work, 884 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 1: you feel like I'm never going to kill an elk. 885 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: One thing I see on folks who uh, because I 886 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: watch a lot of YouTube videos. I love elk hunting. 887 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: I like to watch a lot of other people's hunts. 888 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: And one thing I see a lot of folks do 889 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: is they draw their bow way too early. And I'll 890 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: be watching the video, I'm like, like the first appearance 891 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: of the bowl, like and he's a ways out. Many 892 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: rip that bow back and I'm like, no, don't do that. 893 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting you said that because you touched 894 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 2: on two things there. And I preach this to clients 895 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 2: all the time. I preach it to my son. You 896 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 2: know that YouTube is such a great tool for so 897 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 2: many things in life, but with elk hunting in particular, 898 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 2: watching guys like you, Jason, you know, Jermaine Hodge, you know, 899 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 2: and these YouTube videos where guys hunting elk, watching how 900 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 2: they handle setups and shooting information, you know, the born 901 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 2: and raised guys. You can learn so much about when 902 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 2: to move you know there and really visualize their thought 903 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 2: process as to when they draw, when they shoot, you know, 904 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 2: when they don't shoot. There's so much to be learned 905 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 2: just by watching those videos. It's entertaining to watch them 906 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 2: because you want to see somebody kill a big bull. 907 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 2: But there's a heck of a lot to be learned 908 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 2: just by watching how other people react to those situations. 909 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: Yes, whenever I first started el cunting, I didn't. My 910 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,240 Speaker 1: dad he didn't archery ill cunt. He he was against. 911 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: He's like, oh them damn bow hunters. That was his. 912 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: That was his take on bow hunting, right, And I 913 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: was like, I was telling him. I'm like, I'm I'm 914 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 1: going to shoot a bull elk with a bow. And 915 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: he's like, you can't. You can't do that. That's like 916 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,840 Speaker 1: such themost unattainable thing. But then I watched these videos 917 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: and these guys did it, you know. But and I 918 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: watched these videos over and over and over. Back then 919 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: it was these old VHS videos and they're so terrible quality. 920 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: But what I what one of the big takeaways was 921 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: I I watched was elk behavior as bulls came into 922 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: the setup, body language, demeanor, their eyes, those kind of things. 923 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 1: Once you start, once you've been in that red zone 924 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: enough or you've watched enough videos to watch what bulls 925 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,359 Speaker 1: are going to do and how they how they how 926 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: they act. Are they coming in alert, are they coming 927 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 1: in mad, like they have their head down, they're they're 928 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: not really alert for like, they're not looking for danger. 929 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: They're they're coming in to fight. You know what is 930 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: that bull's demeanor? And I'm when I have a bull 931 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: coming in that that's going to dictate when I'm going 932 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: to draw my bow. Right typically draw mine at the 933 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: last possible second. I I look at the where I 934 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: see the bull coming the very first glimpse I see 935 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: him coming, and I'm trying to figure out his path 936 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: to where. Okay, he's heading towards an opening. At what 937 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,879 Speaker 1: point do I need to draw my bow to where 938 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: I don't have to hold it for two minutes. I'm 939 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: gonna have to pull it back. He's going to walk 940 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: into the opening and then I'm going to stop him 941 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: and shoot him and stopping him too, you know. I 942 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: that's a that's a really big thing, is getting that 943 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,879 Speaker 1: bull stopped. You don't want to shoot that bull when 944 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: he's walking. You want to you want to get him 945 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: stopped that way because when a bolt, if he's walking 946 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: and he's and he's taking a step, and if you're 947 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: not following through with your swing on your on your shot, 948 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: shoot you can shoot six eight ten inches back further 949 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 1: than you really wanted to, just because the amount of 950 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: movement in a bull elk step and you could go 951 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: from a good hit to a gut shot real easy. 952 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 1: So and it's hard sometimes, you know, sometimes people get caught. 953 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: I've even got caught with my pants down. Don't even 954 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: have a call in my mouth. Let's say I was 955 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: I wasn't the shoot, I wasn't the caller, right, But 956 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: any kind of a simple noise, you know, you can 957 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,839 Speaker 1: do like the white tail guys do go or make 958 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: a little noise like that, or a or a little 959 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: like a bark or even you know, just something to 960 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: get their attention to stop them. There's times I've had bulls. 961 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,800 Speaker 1: I had a heck of a time getting them to stop, 962 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'd made a couple of cow calls and 963 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't stop at all, and finally had 964 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,399 Speaker 1: to bark at them or say, hey, get their tenent. 965 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 1: There was on such a mission. But body demeanor, you know. 966 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: There again, if you're washing the body demeanor, it's kind 967 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: of gonna tell you how much how much of a 968 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: noise you have to make. 969 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,239 Speaker 2: Right, you know. And the other thing we didn't talk 970 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 2: about as a release to the calling. Is that because 971 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 2: we see this more times than not now in Colorado, 972 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,839 Speaker 2: they'll bugle at you from a distance. But if they're 973 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 2: coming in and they're going to come in with a 974 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,799 Speaker 2: shooting range, a lot of times it takes time and 975 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 2: they come in silent. You may not even you may 976 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 2: not even hear him come in. It's like all of 977 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,800 Speaker 2: a sudden, you see this antler coming from behind a 978 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 2: tree from nowhere. You say, how did he get here 979 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 2: without me hearing them or seeing him? You know, it's 980 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,720 Speaker 2: just they're like ghosts. So being mentally prepared is so important. 981 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,360 Speaker 2: You know, when you're out there, you always got to 982 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,760 Speaker 2: think that will could step into the picture at any moment. 983 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 2: I need to be ready. 984 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well when you're hunting with buddies too, you know 985 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: everybody's they I want to be, you know, whoever's shooting. 986 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: I want to be the shooter out on point right. 987 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: I want to be the first guy that's set up 988 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: to where that if that bull comes in on a 989 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 1: textbook scenario, he's going to come to me first, right right. 990 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,799 Speaker 1: But I think some of that, you know, especially if 991 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 1: the bulls have been pressured to bed or they're a 992 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,879 Speaker 1: little tight lipped being the second shooter maybe down wind 993 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: aways from the first shooter being down wind fifty yards, 994 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, on an alternate route, that might be the 995 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: that might be the way to go. Or I don't 996 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: even mind having a second shooter stand right next to 997 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: me as the caller, because especially if you're hunting thick country. 998 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 1: I've I don't know how many times I've had the 999 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: ball make it back past the number one shooter up 1000 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 1: front and make it all the way to me as 1001 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: the caller, And a lot of times I don't even 1002 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: have my bow with me right as the caller, I 1003 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: don't have a bow, and the bull walks back to 1004 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: me and stands around, look's around. 1005 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:43,320 Speaker 2: Dang it. 1006 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,759 Speaker 1: If I'd had another shooter here, or if I'd had 1007 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: my bow, I could have smoked that thing. But yeah, yeah, 1008 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: the setups are so incredibly important. I feel like a 1009 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: lot of folks have a lot of really good luck 1010 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: colling elk up to a certain point and they're set. 1011 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: If they're set up, isn't isn't dialed. That's where everything 1012 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: just kind of falls apart, And it falls apart from 1013 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: me too, you know. It's not like I'm some perfect, 1014 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: perfect expert or something. It falls apart for me as well. 1015 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 2: But you know, guys get nervous when they don't see 1016 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 2: when they've hurt him, and they don't see him and 1017 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 2: they end up moving, and that kills more setup scenarios 1018 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,479 Speaker 2: I think than any one thing. Is guy's moving in. 1019 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,439 Speaker 1: The wrong time, you know, yeah, yeah, go stand up there, 1020 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,399 Speaker 1: you stand right there, Let me do the calls. I'll 1021 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: do I'll work the bowl, get him across, and then 1022 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 1: nothing happens for a long time, and the shooter moves right. 1023 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: But the whole time you're painting a picture as a caller, 1024 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,799 Speaker 1: you know, to where this bowl thinks, Okay, this is 1025 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: what's going on, and it's going to drag him through 1026 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,879 Speaker 1: a certain spot. And maybe if if that, if that 1027 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,120 Speaker 1: shooter moves it and really makes it, makes it tough 1028 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: or you know, like you say, if they haven't been 1029 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 1: the ball hasn't been calling a lot. If he's up there, 1030 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: you know, the shooters up there scratching his head and 1031 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: kicking dirt, you know, not paying attention and moving around 1032 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 1: a lot, they can get picked off super easy. 1033 00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. 1034 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to do those standing in one place, 1035 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: especially if you're on Steve. 1036 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 2: Pretty soon your ankle, the positions were so darn uncomfortably say, 1037 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,640 Speaker 2: just hoping you'll be able to move soon. But you 1038 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 2: got to, you got to, you got to got it out, 1039 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:12,879 Speaker 2: you know. 1040 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've set there for it feels like an hour, 1041 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, but it hasn't been an hour. But man, 1042 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,359 Speaker 1: my feet will be completely numb because I'm standing at 1043 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 1: a weird angle on a hillside, and and I know 1044 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,400 Speaker 1: if I move, I'm gonna be nailed it. Just I 1045 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,760 Speaker 1: gotta wait just a little longer. It's that self discipline, 1046 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: you know. It's like, man, this sucks right now, but 1047 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,520 Speaker 1: here in ten minutes, it's not gonna matter anymore, right 1048 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna either shoot this bowl or we're gonna 1049 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 1: be on the chase again. 1050 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeap, no doubt. 1051 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,919 Speaker 1: Well, Bob, this has been great having you on here. 1052 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 1: I've always said when I grow up, I want to 1053 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: be like Bob Twilliger. You're my hero, and I appreciate 1054 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: you coming on here, sharing, sharing your insight and your 1055 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: wisdom from all the years of just doing it out there. 1056 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 1: So where can people find you on social media? Are 1057 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,360 Speaker 1: you on social and much. 1058 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. I'm an active user on Instagram Bob 1059 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 2: T seven fifty six. I'm also on Facebook as Bob 1060 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 2: Twilger and certainly any questions you have, glad to help, 1061 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 2: particular you aging guys. I've got a lot of experience 1062 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 2: with it and I feel that I can offer you 1063 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 2: some some tips. You know, there's a lot of you know, 1064 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 2: a lot of the young exercise stuff, you know, particularly 1065 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,840 Speaker 2: the group orient and stuff like the CrossFit stuff. You know, 1066 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 2: you need to keep in mind that that's a lot 1067 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,319 Speaker 2: of that stuff is aimed at younger bodies, and our 1068 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 2: soldier guys need to we need to find other ways 1069 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,920 Speaker 2: to keep in shape, but do it in a way 1070 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 2: that doesn't break us down or get us injured, because 1071 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,359 Speaker 2: you know, once you get injured, the held back can 1072 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,799 Speaker 2: be steeper or climbed. So certainly feel free to use 1073 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,320 Speaker 2: me a resource. I'm here for you. 1074 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,000 Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, Well, thanks again, Happy New Year, and I 1075 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 1: look forward to Senior Adventures in twenty twenty four. 1076 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 2: Likewise, Derek and thank you guys for all your help. 1077 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. It's good talking with