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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week, on

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Speaker 1: the show, I'm joined by Ben Dedimanti, also known as

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Speaker 1: shed Crazy on the Internet, to discuss all things shed

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Speaker 1: hunting from east coast to west. All right, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on the show,

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Speaker 1: we are talking shed hunting, all things shed hunting from

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Speaker 1: east to west, north to south. We are going to

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Speaker 1: talk shed hunting tactics, philosophies, strategies, habitat, planning trips, and

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Speaker 1: how to do all of this no matter where you

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Speaker 1: live in the country, no matter where you want to

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Speaker 1: shed hunt in the country. We're talking to somebody today

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Speaker 1: who has a level of shed hunting experience that is

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Speaker 1: broader than maybe anybody else in the country. This is

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Speaker 1: Ben de Damanti, also known as shed Crazy over on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and YouTube. Ben has relatively recently completed a pretty

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Speaker 1: impressive feat which is finding a shed antler in every

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Speaker 1: single state in America. That's pretty wild. He's found him

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Speaker 1: in Alaska, Hawaii, Florida, Michigan, Montana, and everywhere in between.

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Speaker 1: And so with that broad suite of experience, with that

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Speaker 1: incredible set of places he's found antlers, he has this

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Speaker 1: with us. And so that's what we're talking about today.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot focused on what you know, Midwesterners or

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Speaker 1: Easterners should know if they want to shed hunt out west.

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Speaker 1: But then also some of the things he learned as

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Speaker 1: a Westerner heading east to find whitetail sheds, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: how those ideas kind of cross pollinate, and what we

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Speaker 1: can benefit and learn from a Western perspective or an

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Speaker 1: Eastern perspective. We talk through planning a Western or Alaskan

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Speaker 1: shed hunting trip and a whole bunch of very tactical

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Speaker 1: things that will help you spot more antlers, pick up

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Speaker 1: more antlers, and enjoy shed hunting more than ever, whether

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Speaker 1: you're doing that, you know, in Mississippi or Minnesota, or

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Speaker 1: Florida or New Hampshire or New Mexico. There's gonna be

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Speaker 1: some shed hunting advice here for you today that I

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Speaker 1: think will really help. So that's the plan for today,

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Speaker 1: without any further Ado, let's get to my chat with

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Speaker 1: mister shed crazy himself. All right with me on the

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Speaker 1: line now is the one and only Ben Deadamante.

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Speaker 2: Ben. Welcome to the show. Thanks man, appreciate you having

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Speaker 2: me on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad this is happening. It's been a long

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Speaker 1: time coming. We are in the same circles, we have

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Speaker 1: been at similar events, at the same events together, but

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Speaker 1: we've never done a podcast, which is on me. I apologize,

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Speaker 1: I'm stupid, but I'm glad it's finally happening. So thanks

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm excited to pick your brain. You are admittedly

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Speaker 1: self described as shed crazy, and I am two at

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Speaker 1: times of the year. This is that time. So I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping to pick your brain on all things fine and

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Speaker 1: antlers because you've got a regional experience set that I

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Speaker 1: don't have. I feel like I've shed hunted a ton

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Speaker 1: all of these places, all of these states. If you

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Speaker 1: to maybe I'm gonna say three things that were true

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Speaker 1: about finding sheds in every single state. What might put

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Speaker 2: But that's good.

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Speaker 1: Would those be?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. I think that food is

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Speaker 2: the universal language of deer in the winter. I mean

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Speaker 2: So that's a good place to start. What are they

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Speaker 2: And then after that it just comes Really it's just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's uh.

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Speaker 1: If I were to try to put together my list

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Speaker 1: is maybe one thing that you thought was a core

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Speaker 2: And now I'm a little more willing to just say,

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Speaker 1: white tail shed hunting. Western shed hunting appeals to me.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot more physically demanding. You know, where we

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Speaker 2: And then also I think that you can save yourself

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Speaker 2: cruising around, even glassing from the road and finding where

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Speaker 2: and there may be a few here and a few there,

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Speaker 2: but especially the elk really tend to concentrate in the winter,

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Speaker 2: But I mean there really is just like a few

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Elk I understand kind of the desert the

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Speaker 1: Okay, and then what about like security cover, betting that

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Speaker 1: Okay, And what about timing for all of this, You know,

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Speaker 2: So May's pretty rare, I guess, but April is probably

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Speaker 1: So on that, like on this whole front of timing,

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Speaker 1: Especially if we're traveling west like this, where you know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's a deep snow area, I'm just not

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna wait until they either move out to go

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Speaker 2: never seen that happen. I don't think it's an effective thing.

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Speaker 2: There's some gray areas and some states where it's kind

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Speaker 2: And in that way, I don't feel like they get

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Speaker 1: Does it feel like it's getting over pressured in all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Like it's definitely more popular. There's

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Speaker 1: So do you like the idea of having those seasons

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Speaker 2: I don't like them because I like freedom, but I

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Speaker 2: I'm applying for tags there. So I feel like if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the idea of the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 1: Would you ever, I'm guessing I know, but what would

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Speaker 2: So that's happening right now in New Mexico. So they're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. So one of their western species we

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Speaker 2: How much have you ever searched for moose sheds? Very little?

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Speaker 2: fly him and mark them on on X out of

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00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 2: the super Cub and then land and go gather them up.

433
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: And it was an unreal experience, one of the coolest

434
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: things that everyone wow.

435
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: For folks wanting to try to do an Alaskan shed hunt. Now,

436
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: I know, like getting a super cub and all that

437
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 1: maybe is outside of possible for most people. But anything

438
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: you tell anyone who was thinking about trying to do

439
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: some cool diy Alaska trip and find some sheds, would

440
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: you learn that could be applied for other folks.

441
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: It's just like anything you know. They're in the winter feed,

442
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what all comes down to, Especially in

443
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: a climate that's as harsh as as Alaska. They live

444
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: and die by what they're able to eat. So we

445
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: were just focused the same way. We would hear they

446
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: were eating mostly alders, and we would just try to

447
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: find those all their patches where a group of moose

448
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 2: had spent the winter. They're typically snowbound and then they

449
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: dropped their antlers really early up there, moose across the

450
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 2: board dropped quite a bit earlier, and they would just

451
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 2: get buried in the snow. So we were just there

452
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 2: on the tail end of the snow melting off, trying

453
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: to find them as they emerged from the from the snow.

454
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: So if somebody wanted to go do that, I have

455
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: had some buddies that have figured it out, but it's

456
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: not I mean, I don't know how you do it

457
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: on the cheap because the guys that I know that

458
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: have done it have hired pilots to fly them out

459
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: and then they go out and hike, and it's not

460
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: it's very expensive. So if there's a cheap way to

461
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: do it, I haven't figured it out yet.

462
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, just like anything, if if you want

463
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: to do on the cheap, you got to burn a

464
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: lot of boot leather, that's for sure.

465
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

466
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't tell me the specific state because I don't

467
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: want to spop burn any one place. But if you

468
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: were gonna pick the best kind of shed hunting adventure,

469
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: like your favorite shed hunting adventure for the for your money,

470
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, for your time, if you're gonna go out

471
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: and do like an epic week long shed adventure. Is

472
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: there like a general region or species where you'd be like, man,

473
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: this is the coolest thing, or this is the most

474
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: fun I had. Of all the places you went, of

475
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: all the states you hit, of all all the different

476
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 1: antlers you found, does anything stick out as like if

477
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: you could just have one for you fun trip, this

478
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:07,239
Speaker 1: would be it.

479
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, that's I'm always been addicted to el cantlers

480
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 2: and elk shed's, so you know, the most thing was insane.

481
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: I would do that again in all the states that

482
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: I that I did that in. But if you could

483
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: have a truly killer elk shed day, there's no I mean,

484
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: there's nothing like loading a heavy, heavy pack full of

485
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: l cantlers, and specifically like some of these backcountry trips

486
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: we've done where you'll find too many antlers to carry

487
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: out and you go in there for a couple of

488
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: days in camp and leave them behind and haul them out.

489
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: It's kind of like miserable, but it's so fun. Like

490
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: I think any backcountry elk shed thing is probably what

491
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: I would pick.

492
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: Anything unique about planning a trip like that that's different

493
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: than planning a backcountry elk hunting trip.

494
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a little easier not having to

495
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: worry about me ca. You don't have to take with

496
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: you quite as many tools as far as that goes,

497
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: You're not packing a rifle or a bow. The time

498
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: of year, you're cold weather camping a lot, and then

499
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: you get some nice afternoons, so it can be kind

500
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 2: of like the fall. I guess it's fairly similar. You know,

501
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: hunting gear, camping gear, overnight gear, and then the potential

502
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: of a heavy packout.

503
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: How much does that kind of thing help your hunt?

504
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: Like I understand the white tail side, but with something

505
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: like elk, I don't know if, like where I find

506
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: the sheds and where I see them in the winter,

507
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,239
Speaker 1: does that translate in any way and help you if

508
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: you were going to go hunt that same region that

509
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: year or is it so different?

510
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: I can yeah, like it gives me good general information,

511
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: like to see when I'm trying to select maybe a

512
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: limited entry ELK unit in Utah that I have a

513
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 2: potential to draw, I always look at what gets picked

514
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: up on the sheds or what I can find there

515
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: or where I can find the bowls in the winter

516
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: to know what the quality is like for the unit.

517
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: But it also is just kind of a general idea

518
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: because these elk, especially in Utah, though, pull to different units,

519
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: so you don't know. You might find a bull shed

520
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: on a unit and he's living on the unit next door.

521
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 2: And so they're migratory, they wander a lot, they'll move

522
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: somewhere to rut, they'll stay through the winter and go back.

523
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: So it narrows it down, but it's just kind of

524
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: general information.

525
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: So on these western shed trips, elk, mule, deer, whatever

526
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: you talked earlier about glassing, tell me about how to

527
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: glass for sheds, Like, what does that look like? How

528
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: do you do that?

529
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 3: Well?

530
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: How much of your shed hunting is spent sitting somewhere

531
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: and looking around versus walking around?

532
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: Walk me through all that. Yeah, glassing is huge. I

533
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: mean I probably find as many antlers through the binoculars

534
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: as I do walking. And to me, it's just anytime

535
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: I walk out on a point where I have a

536
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: decent view, I'm gonna sit down in glass, throw your

537
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: glass on a tripod, get super stable and just pick

538
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: it apart. And I will honestly set a time on

539
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: my phone for like twenty minutes and say I'm not

540
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: going to move from this spot until that timer goes off,

541
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: because I'll get bored with it and I'll want to

542
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: walk away. But I found so many antlers, Like after

543
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: twenty minutes or a half hour of glassing a hillside,

544
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: the light will shift, the clouds will change, the sun

545
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: will change, and all of a sudden, an antler that

546
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: looked I mean that you couldn't see before is just

547
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: totally obvious to you. So I spend a lot of

548
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: a lot of time glassing. But it's also not sufficiently

549
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: covering an area. So like if you just glass a

550
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: hillside and think, oh I got it, No, it's I mean,

551
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: it's so easy to miss antlers in the glass too,

552
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: so you still got to go grid it out and

553
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: go hike it. But I spend a lot of time.

554
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: So when you're actually walking, are there any things you

555
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: do to help find those hard to see sheds when

556
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: you're walking? Like, I love the fact that you mentioned

557
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: like you've set a timer, you wait for light to change,

558
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. I've seen. Those same kinds

559
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: of things apply to like my walking, and there's certain

560
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: things that I do and I'm looking for white tail

561
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: sheds to try to you know. For example, as I'm

562
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: walking through a spot, if I see like a down

563
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: tree or something, I'll stand up on the down tree

564
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: to get a different perspective, and I'll make sure to

565
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: look behind me and all around me, because sometimes you'll

566
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: walk right past them and never see them. Are there

567
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: any other things like along those lines that when you're

568
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: walking that you found little things that help you.

569
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like getting a different angle is huge, like in

570
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: glassing and in hiking both. I mean seeing it from

571
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: a different perspective where the sun setting it differently can

572
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: change the whole game. Tight grid lines, especially for white

573
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 2: tail sheds, you know, so you'll walk through maybe east

574
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: to west, then turn around to come back west to east,

575
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: and even if it's the same ground you just walk,

576
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: that perspective can be the difference in finding them. I

577
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: always look behind me too. That's one thing that I

578
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: found a ton of antlers where maybe the angle was

579
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: just wrong when you came through this way. But I

580
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: look back over my shoulders as I'm walking, and I

581
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: found a ton of antlers looking back behind me.

582
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

583
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: Back to glassroom real quick. I forgot to ask you this.

584
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: Everyone seems to have a different way that to glass.

585
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: What's your style up and down, left or right grid? Like,

586
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: how what's the shed hunting glassing technique that works best.

587
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: I always start with the places where I think there's

588
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: gonna be sheds first, So like, if I sit down,

589
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: I would be like, Okay, that patch of trees looks

590
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: like a place of bowl would bed down, maybe he

591
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 2: could catch a little sun. So I'll pick that apart first,

592
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: and then I kind of moved the least likely places

593
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: from there. But then I do try to do like

594
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: a big left right grid over the whole thing before

595
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: I move on. So I think it's just the excitement

596
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: factor when you sit down, like, I bet there's a

597
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: shed there, so I look there first, and you know,

598
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: sometimes they are, but sometimes there's nothing. Yeah.

599
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: So when you headed east on this huge adventure viewers

600
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: over the couple of year period, it was and you

601
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: started really tackling the white tail side of things. And

602
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: I think you've done some before that too, But what

603
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: was the what were the biggest challenges for you or

604
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: like epiphanies when you shifted towards all these whitetail states,

605
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: Like what was really different going that direction.

606
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: That you were like a lack of snow to concentrate

607
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: anything was one thing. And a lot of the West,

608
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: it's easy to target areas they'll be in just simply

609
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: by snow depth, and a lot of the places I

610
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: went first in the Midwest hadn't had significant snow that year,

611
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: so the deer were just wandering everywhere. I was also

612
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: surprised by the amount of competition on public land. I

613
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: figured that there would be people hiking, you know, like

614
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: there is everywhere, but I mean I was the state that,

615
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: you know, I think of the most with this was Kansas,

616
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: which is obviously a legendary whitetail state, so I'm sure

617
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: a lot of people hike there because the quality of

618
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: the deer. But I was running into people hiking like

619
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: the whole time I was there, like other people shed hunting,

620
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: And I was really surprised by that. Lots of boot

621
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: tracks and and lots of trucks at uh, you know,

622
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: the walking areas and stuff, so competition, And then also

623
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: surprised by how well a whitetail shed can hide because

624
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: they just I mean the way that they're built, you know,

625
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: they can lay times down and be basically invisible in

626
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: any type of vegetation. And a lot of cases you

627
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: got to step right on and even see them.

628
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: Have you found any little things that help you spot

629
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: antlers better? And the only way I can describe this

630
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: is like an example, in my world, I've learned to

631
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: spot like the gleam of that shine on an antler, right, Like,

632
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: little things like that will help, but pop and once

633
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: your head kind of starts to look for that, then

634
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they show up. Is there anything

635
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: like that for you in your world that you've found helps.

636
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: You, Yeah, definitely shine like I mean, that's if there's

637
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: some on an antler, it'll pop even a distance. With elk,

638
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: it's the parallel lines, like you'll see a lot of

639
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: time on an elk, the parallel line of the sword

640
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: and the fifth and like that's a dead giveaway because

641
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: there's very little in nature that's like perfectly parallel like

642
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: that and straight. That's one thing we look for white

643
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: birds and white bases. Surprisingly, that's one of the I

644
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: mean very often, that's one of the main things we see.

645
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: Is just you'll see it looks like a bright white

646
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: spot and that's all you can see. Maybe that's a

647
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: dark antler or something, but you can just see that

648
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: that white bird out there. I was surprised when I

649
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: started white tail shed hunting too, how many people wait

650
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: for overcast and rainy days because they say the visibility

651
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: is so much easier on sheds. I didn't know that

652
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: was a thing, but a lot of different whitetail guys

653
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: brought that up.

654
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have a really interesting insight on the

655
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: white tail side that even though you're more of a

656
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: Western guy, there aren't many whitetail guys who've shed hunted

657
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: in the Northeast, in the Midwest, in the South, and

658
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: the West. So I'm curious if anything stood out to

659
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: you regionally, Like if I were to say, all right,

660
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: Southern States, only tell me something unique about finding sheds

661
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: in Southern States. Does anything come to mind?

662
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were all like in the thorns. They were

663
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: all in the greenbriers like and I don't know if

664
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: that's just the safety of it. They like to be

665
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: in there. But pretty much everything I found in like Mississippi, Alabama,

666
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: it was very very thick, like the deer. I mean

667
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: they would drop a few in the food as well,

668
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: Like we were mostly hunting, like in Alabama, it was

669
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: mostly cotton fields and We did find a few in

670
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: the food, but most of them were just like tucked

671
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: clear back in the greenbriers or the palmettos and the

672
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: thicker stuff. And I think, I don't know, it didn't

673
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: seem to me like a deer would want to be

674
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: in that thorny stuff. But they must be a little

675
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: more impervious to it than I thought.

676
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing what they can just dig themselves into

677
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: sometimes to feel safe, the thickest, nastiest, thorniest stuff.

678
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, ugly.

679
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: I heard you talking somewhere about how you couldn't believe

680
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: how pokey and briary and stuff a lot of these

681
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: places were too. Just how shut it up you got?

682
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: Oh man, I got just ripped up, like I would

683
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: come home from these road trips just with like thorns

684
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: bedding in my arms and hands and just tore up

685
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: on my arms, like I couldn't believe I got hit

686
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: in the lip with the thorn like flipped me in

687
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: the mouth, and like there was a few different times

688
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: like I bought some cheap rain gear at Walmart for Mississippi,

689
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: and it was literally just like rags and tatters hanging

690
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: off of me. When I got out of there and

691
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: it was not good.

692
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: I've had some years where I've worn the wrong pants

693
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: where I'll forget to wear like a really good pant,

694
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: like a canvas pant or like a chatpant, and I'll

695
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: just come home in my thighs will just be just

696
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: like as if cats had scratched at the fronts of

697
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: my legs all the way up and down, because you're

698
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: walking through so many of those like multi floor rows, patches,

699
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: and just the lads everywhere. That's that is the sign

700
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: of a long day of shd hunting and hopefully a

701
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: good one, but a painful one, yeah for sure. Okay,

702
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: So continuing the regional idea, uh So, now let's go

703
00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: up to the northeast, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, New York, Pennsylvania,

704
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: and you like anything up there? Does anything stand out

705
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: about shed hunting in that part.

706
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: Of the country.

707
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: So a few of those states I was targeting moose,

708
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: and I learned a little bit about you know, what

709
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: those moose do. They are typically snow bound up there,

710
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 2: and they're navigating deep and heavy snow, so that plays

711
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: a lot into it what they're able to eat when

712
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: there's you know, four or five feet of snow on

713
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: the ground, and then I was just I guess the

714
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: whole Northeast just in general. I was just blown away.

715
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was so mountainous, Like I hadn't

716
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: visited it much or spend any time out there, and

717
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: it's like many I mean, New Hampshire's like mini Colorado,

718
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: and it's just beautiful. Like I was blown away, there's

719
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: not I mean, there's not that many deer up in

720
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 2: those states. Massachusetts had some good deer we shed hunted

721
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: kind of in the suburbs of Boston and that was cool.

722
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: But you know, those are fairly urban deer. They're coming

723
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: in and out of people's yards quite a bit, and

724
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, there's public land, there's some parks and things,

725
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: and they all get hunted quite a bit. So, but

726
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: not any really ag up there where we were. New

727
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: York was mostly agricultural stuff. We got permission to hike

728
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: some farms and found a shed on a power line

729
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: through through ag and same with Pennsylvania. We found in

730
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: and around ag fields. So I mean it kind of

731
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 2: runs the gamut really of all types of white tail

732
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: habitat all through those states. But just beautiful, man. I

733
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: love the northeast.

734
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll hit two more big regions the Midwest white

735
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: tail hunting sheds. That's core white tail shed dream zone?

736
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: Was it everything that all the white tail hunters say

737
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: first and then secondly what stood out to you as

738
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: far as like tactics are finding sheds? There are they

739
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: just behind every single tree and it's easy pickens?

740
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: Or what did you I struggled my way through the Midwest, man,

741
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: I had a hard time. I had a hard time

742
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: in Iowa. I hiked for two days in Iowa before

743
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: I found an antler, and it was a small brown

744
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: that was tucked in a willow patch that just got missed.

745
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: But we were hitting public land and it was public

746
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: land that had been hiked a ton. We found a

747
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: couple of dead bucks. But yeah, it took me two

748
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: days to find a shed. I found at the end

749
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: of the second day, and then the people that we

750
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: were with found a couple small antlers, but everything by

751
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: the time I got there had been well picked over

752
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: and then there was deep snow, so we were just

753
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. We were in the northern

754
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: part of the state Ohio. The same story. I hunted

755
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: public land, I found chewed up antler at the end

756
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: of day one that was just like a real garbage

757
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: antler found a dead buck there too, but there was

758
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: boot tracks all over through the piece that we were hiking.

759
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: So I was surprised at the competition in the hole Midwest.

760
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: It was just there's just they're getting after it, and

761
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: there's the already exists this idea that that's where all

762
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: the big bucks are and that's where all the deer are,

763
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: and people go there, and there's a lot of states

764
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: that have a lot of white tail that are a

765
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: lot less pressure than the Midwest.

766
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

767
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: Do you feel like anything that you've said already would

768
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: be different for western white tail shed hunting?

769
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, I think that the little that I

770
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 2: know about western white tails like would be like Montana

771
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: and Idaho, and I don't know that people target them

772
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: as much for sheds. I know there's some diehard guys

773
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: out there getting them. But I killed the white tail

774
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: buck in Montana this year, and every one of its

775
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: sheds was on the ridge that I killed it on.

776
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: I saw that that was insane.

777
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: So even since that video I posted, my buddy went

778
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: back and found another set. So his year prior to

779
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: the year that I killed him, So literally every antler

780
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: he ever grew we found within five hundred yards of

781
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: where I killed him. Is that?

782
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: So? I saw that on your social or somewhere, and

783
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: that made me wonder, you know, if if deer in

784
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: some of these western regions that was kind of like

785
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: mountainous like forest and stuff, right, just like the fidelity

786
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: to a single small zone for betting year after year

787
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: after year. That seems crazy to me. But you know,

788
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: talking to other people out there or in your experience,

789
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: have you seen like is that relatively common? Is there

790
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: going to be like a small small zone where this

791
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: buck is going to be like every winter that you

792
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: could you know, almost count on like that.

793
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: I think that that is fairly common with those deer.

794
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think they exclusively do that. But

795
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: the feedback I got when I posted that video was

796
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: a lot of people being like, oh, yeah, you know

797
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: this Idaho mountain buck I killed. We found all the

798
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: sheds right there in that same ridge or you know,

799
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: several several years off of them. And the reason we

800
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: were there hunting that deer was because my buddy had

801
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: seen him on that same ridge about three weeks earlier.

802
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: And so we were just went in there hoping he

803
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: might be around somewhere, and I mean we rattled him

804
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: in down the exact same ridge that he was on

805
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: and he lived and died, I mean right there. So

806
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: just a good ridge, good feed, a lot of brows,

807
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: and a good timber pocket on the back to hide,

808
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: and that's where he lived his whole life.

809
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

810
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: Well, so basic shed hunting ideas and strategies we've covered

811
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: talked about pants being an important thing for shed hunting,

812
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: and thorny spots, any other gear clothing stuff you throw

813
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: in your pack when you're going out for a full

814
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: day of shed hunting. Like this kind of sounds silly,

815
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: but I know from spending a lot of days out

816
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: there myself that there are some things that, man, it's

817
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: really really important to make sure you've got with you.

818
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: What's in your shed pack. What are some of the

819
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: key things that you're wearing or bringing with you that

820
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: help you do this? Well?

821
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, optics obviously you're huge, like the basic your western

822
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 2: hunting stuff that you're not going to be without probably anyway. Food,

823
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: Like if you want to consistently put down miles from

824
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: sun up till sundown, which a lot of Western shed

825
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: hunting is like you got to just fuel as you're

826
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: out there doing it. So I'm usually packing a lot

827
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: of different Like I like to carry jerky and cheese.

828
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: That's my go to and I'll just eat that all

829
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: through the day so I don't ever crash out and

830
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: then electrolytes, you know something, maybe some candy to keep

831
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: your blood sugar going, but just whatever you need to

832
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 2: be able to push through a whole day. And because

833
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: the most common thing is to like run out of

834
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: energy after five or six miles and be like, oh

835
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: this sucks on, must sit you know. That's huge. Yeah,

836
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: brushpants are important. Brush shirt Like I have a shirt

837
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 2: that I wear that's actually for like loggers that is

838
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: saved my life. And the thorns many times we get

839
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: those burn thorns in Arizona too, and those new burns

840
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: that grow up and they're just lethal. So good clothing

841
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: is huge. Boots, I mean boots. I use different boots

842
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: to shed hunt than I do to hunt. I like

843
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: more of a cushioned boot to shed hunt. When you're

844
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 2: going to do like twelve or a fifteen mile day,

845
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: something with a lot more cushion in the soul. I

846
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: feel like I can go longer on them, like an

847
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: Ultra or a trail runner or something. Okay, Yeah, and

848
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: like I listen to audio books on my phone, Well

849
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm shed hunting. That's huge for me too, Even if

850
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: it's like just a small distraction, I feel like it

851
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: helps me lock in more. Maybe that's just my brain interesting,

852
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: but yeah, like just kind of basic stuff. Gloves can

853
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: be huge if you're dealing with thorns.

854
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say that one.

855
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, a pair of leather gloves just to be able

856
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: to fight through burn thorns or whatever.

857
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: What do you think about sunglasses. I've gone back and

858
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: forth in sunglasses.

859
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: I think they're for people with weak eyes. No, no,

860
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: like I don't know. There's some new ones out that

861
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: are supposed to help you find mushrooms and antlers and

862
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: golf balls whatever, and some people swear by them, and

863
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: like I have buddies that just use like blue que glasses.

864
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: They say they make antlers stand out more. But I've

865
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: never gotten into that.

866
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I've always I've always debated, like lots of times.

867
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: I want to put them on because just will feel

868
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: better on the eyes because I have weak eyes. But

869
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: then I do wonder like, is this somehow hurting my

870
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: ability to make them pop? And then also it's you know,

871
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: more cumbersome when I want to throw the glass up

872
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: and use my binox. You know, I don't want to

873
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: use my sunglasses and then throw off the binocular, So

874
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: I oftentimes take them off because of that. But I've

875
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: wondered because it's kind of like, you know, cloudy days

876
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: tend to be better for seeing antlers, So do your

877
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: glasses kind of act like putting a cloud cover on?

878
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

879
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

880
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: I've had maybe people message me to sell them for

881
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: finding antlers and offer to send me some, but I

882
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: haven't never tried them. Interesting, all right, So boots, Buyino's

883
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: good pants, shirt, gloves, bring your food, water, electro lights.

884
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: I'll throw one more in there, which is always bring

885
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: TP Yeah. Oh yeah, I mean never roll without the wives.

886
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 2: Man ruin a day of shed hunt real quick.

887
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the truth.

888
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: What about getting access when you don't have public land?

889
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: You did?

890
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: You have to go down that road very often getting

891
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, knock on door permission from folks throughout your adventures,

892
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: either on this fifty state trip or anything else. Do

893
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: you have any advice on getting shed hunting permission.

894
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are more

895
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: willing to give shed hunting permission because like, they don't

896
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: care you're not going to be shooting guns, you know,

897
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: to them, somebody walking around their property isn't that big

898
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: of a deal. One angle that we've used many times

899
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: in the past is that you know, it saves tires

900
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: on the farm equipment if you can get antlers out

901
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: of the field, and that's been something that's or a

902
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: few times where the farmer will be like, I'm always

903
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: running over those things. One situation, we ran into a

904
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: guy in South Dakota and we walked into like a

905
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: little teeny store and we asked the lady at the

906
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: desk if she knew this landowner, because there was a

907
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: landowner that had these farms that just looked amazing right

908
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: outside of town. And she said, Oh, that's my brother.

909
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: He's pretty crazy. We're like, oh, cool, Like can we

910
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 2: talk to him? She's like, I'll give you his phone number,

911
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: and they're like cool. So as we were walking out of

912
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: the store, the lady comes following us out. She's like,

913
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: this is him. He just walked in the store and

914
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: it's like, oh cool. So we started talking to this

915
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: guy and I told him what I was doing. I'm like,

916
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: can I, you know, come shed hunt your property and

917
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: he's like no, no, no, no, absolutely not. I can't

918
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: have anybody out there, you know, and you know, plus

919
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: my grandkids find him. I'm like, oh, that's a cool,

920
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: no big deal. He's like, but but I'll give you

921
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: a shed so you'll have one for your thing. And

922
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I mean, I got to find it

923
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: or it doesn't really count, you know. And then he

924
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: started talking to us a lot about a pipeline that

925
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: was coming through their neck of the woods that he

926
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: was really concerned about. And so we made a deal

927
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: that if I would share his position or his petition

928
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: on Instagram about stopping this pipeline, that he would let

929
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: me shed on his place. And I'm like, oh cool.

930
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: So I shared it for him, and we ended up

931
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: going out to his farm and I remember pulling into

932
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: like his grain bins where he parked his equipment and

933
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: looking over and there's like a smoke and big whitetail

934
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: shed right underneath the grain bin, and I'm like, we're

935
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: in it, Like this is going to be so good.

936
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: So he let us go hike and I picked up

937
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: I think like five or six brown antlers in his

938
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: grain bins in the parking lot where the deer were

939
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: coming and eating his milo that he had in these bins.

940
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: And then I walked down the main road to his

941
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 2: corrals where he was feeding cows and he had hey

942
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: and I could just see antlers just littered all the

943
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: way through these corrals and I went out there. I

944
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: was just picking them off as fast as I could go,

945
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: Like there was a spot where a buck could jump

946
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: the fence and drop both sides. And I can't remember

947
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: how many we picked up, but thirty plus antlers between

948
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: me and my buddy in about a half hour. And

949
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: then it snowed two feet like it just started pounding.

950
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: But that was like the best success I've ever had.

951
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: We'd just loaded up. We were there like for a

952
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: half hour. It snowed us out and we left, but

953
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: it was so wow.

954
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: What do you take away from that as far as

955
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: like how the access came together? I mean, I know

956
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: that was like a random thing, but when I hear

957
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: your story, there's some things that stand out to me.

958
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: But what do you take from that that could be

959
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: applied elsewhere.

960
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: Even if they tell you no, Like, even if their

961
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: first instinct is no, you can't do that, Like just

962
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: talk to them a little bit and get to know

963
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: them a little bit. It might just be their initial

964
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: response and they might be cold to begin with. But

965
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: even if they tell you no, I mean, I like

966
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: that guy for example, if he would have just said no,

967
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: we're never going to do that, I still had his

968
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: phone number. I still might have called him in a

969
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: month and been like, hey, and just wondering if this

970
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: may be something changed. But just be friendly with them,

971
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: and if they tell you no, like you don't have

972
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: to go cold, and and you know, be upset about it,

973
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: because a lot of people may take a little bit

974
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 2: longer to warm up to the idea yeah.

975
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: Or also just the fact that you talked to, you know,

976
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: the lady behind the counter to you know, just just

977
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: asking her about thoughts on that, and just talking to

978
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: anyone in these local areas I think is such a

979
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: great start. And so many people probably just are either

980
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: too antisocial to want to do that, or you know,

981
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: just don't think anyone would say yes. But the answer

982
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: is always no before you ask, right, So it's never

983
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: going to get worse than that. You might as well

984
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: ask and talk to some people.

985
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: You know.

986
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: Another thing that's worked well for me, and I've used

987
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: this well for regular hunting and shad hunting. If somebody

988
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: says no, I'll always follow up, you know with you know,

989
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: is there anyone else in the neighborhood who you think

990
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: might be willing? You know, just get a reference, and

991
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: then you know, now you can go to this other

992
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: person and say, hey, Bob down the road mentioned and

993
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: then now you've got kind of like a personal connection like, oh,

994
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: this guy knows Bob down the road. Maybe Mark's not

995
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: such a bad guy. Maybe I'll let them go out there.

996
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: And that's helped me too. Yeah, that's a good tip. Yeah,

997
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: what about and this is this is something you kind

998
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: of just reference there a second ago. But I want

999
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 1: to circle back on one more tactical thing. You talked

1000
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: about how you would seen I think can't er if

1001
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: you say, as a match setter, it just a single

1002
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: but at a spot where a buck jumped over I

1003
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: think you said a fence or a creek or something

1004
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: that's like an example that I've seen too, like a

1005
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: very specific kind of feature that can sometimes lead to antlers,

1006
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: So hopping over a creek, hopping over a fence. I

1007
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: can think of a handful of other things in the

1008
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: white tail world where that are like very specific things.

1009
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: But when I see this very specific thing, I'm like, oh, yeah,

1010
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: I gotta at least check that out. Are there any

1011
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: other like specific little things kind of like that that

1012
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: you can think of, either out west or across the

1013
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: country that you've learned, Like, if I see that, you

1014
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: gotta check it because there might be an antler. Do

1015
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: anything stand out like that?

1016
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I Mean, fences are an obvious one,

1017
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: right because they can live their antlers when they jump it,

1018
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: and they also travel up and down fences quite a bit.

1019
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 2: So I'm always going to walk a fence line. Most

1020
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: of the time on public land, they've been walked. But

1021
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: even I mean, if you're the first one there and

1022
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 2: it's earlier in the morning, just go check it again

1023
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 2: because anything could be there. YEA one thing with elk

1024
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: that I always look for is isolated low hills of

1025
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: the right kind of feed. So if there's like say,

1026
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: a huge valley and there's only these few hills for

1027
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: a few miles and they face the right way, and

1028
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: they have that feed on them. Like odds are some

1029
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: bowl laid down and shed as antlers there. So I

1030
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: always just like there's a lot of times I'll be

1031
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: driving down the highway, I'm like, oh, that's a shed

1032
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: hill for sure, and I'll pull over and go hike it,

1033
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: and a lot of the time there will be an

1034
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: antler on it. But yeah, crete crossings and even highway

1035
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: crossings too. I a lot of times, especially in the

1036
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: desert estates where the elk are very dispersed, I'll cruise

1037
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: the highway and look for elk tracks crossing the road.

1038
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: And there's been many times where you'll cut a fresh

1039
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: track of bowls and then you go backtrack them and

1040
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: find an antler.

1041
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: Nice one one more that I've thrown there from like

1042
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: kind of the Midwest country, I've seen it, and probably

1043
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: some of the Western stuff too. Is like an isolated

1044
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: evergreen tree or cedar or something like that. If you

1045
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: see like an isolated evergreen in some grassy brushy stuff

1046
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: always seems to be the kind of thing that you know.

1047
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: I think deer and probably all ungulates are kind of

1048
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: like bass and they want to find structure, like if

1049
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: they're in an open area, if there's some piece of

1050
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: structure that's different that attracts game and attracts deer that

1051
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: are gonna bet up and hang out by that, they

1052
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: just feel that safety. And so I always check isolated

1053
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: cedars evergreens of any kind, especially if it's on a

1054
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: south facing grassy hill or slope or anything like that.

1055
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: That's a that's a sweet spot. And then like you said,

1056
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: edges of fields, edges of fences, those can be pretty

1057
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: pretty dynamite too. You mentioned like grain bins and hay

1058
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. I've heard stories of

1059
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: like that, but I've never had it happen for me.

1060
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: Is that a one off for you or is that

1061
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: something that you've actually seen in other places? Like it's

1062
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: not like a once in a lifetime lucky find. But

1063
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: can that happen elsewhere? Never?

1064
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it can. I've never really seen it

1065
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: like that, Like that place had I mean a big

1066
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: hate like a hay bale that was busted open where

1067
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: there was I think three or four antlers in that

1068
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: one pile of hay from a big bail, and I

1069
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: think it had been a really really heavy snow year,

1070
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: and I think it had those deer just ultra concentrated.

1071
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: So I think on that kind of a year, it

1072
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: could definitely happen if you find a food source. And

1073
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 2: also it wasn't this guy's main farm, like he wasn't

1074
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: in and out of there all the time, so it

1075
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 2: was actually really secluded for those deer back in there.

1076
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 2: And it's the right combination of circumstances. I guess.

1077
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, jealous, that sounds like a great half hour

1078
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: or whatever it was.

1079
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: I need to go back there. It was crazy, that's insane.

1080
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 1: I saw that you take your boys out shed hunting

1081
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: your kids. Got any advice for shed hunting with kids?

1082
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean fake them out, like I don't have

1083
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: any shame about that at all. Like I don't usually

1084
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: take antlers out and throw them, like I know guys

1085
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: will do that. But what I'll do with my boys

1086
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: is just walk until I see one, and then I

1087
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: make sure that they're the one to go up there

1088
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: and find it. And sometimes you got to walk them

1089
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: by it three times, you know, tell them, got to

1090
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: get a little specific, like go check over here. But

1091
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: you know that feeling that they get from finding it

1092
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: is so much better than you picking one up anyway.

1093
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's the truth.

1094
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: I've even gotten to the point where sometimes I'll do

1095
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: I'll do the same thing and I'll even find them,

1096
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: mark them on on X and then go back and

1097
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: like get my kids or come back the next day

1098
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: or something and go find them like that, because like

1099
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: you said, it's so it's so much better for them

1100
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: to find them, and you know, it's a hard thing

1101
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: to have happened, like to be in a place where

1102
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: you can have the kids out there and find it

1103
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: that if there's a chance, you know, to get him

1104
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: out there, As far as I'm concerned, it's worth it

1105
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: because when trying to do it in the real world

1106
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: with the kids out there, you know, just odds are

1107
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot of hours without actually

1108
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: finding one. So when you have one found, it seems

1109
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: like it's worth a little bit of extra effort to

1110
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: somehow get him out there and see that.

1111
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. My youngest seven and he found a

1112
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 2: set of brown elk sheds this year that was like,

1113
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like a three hundred bowl, maybe a

1114
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: little less, but I spotted him. He was like thirty

1115
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: yards ahead of me, and I could see him side

1116
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: by side on the fence line, and I was I

1117
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 2: was way more excited than he was watching him because

1118
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: he genuinely found him on his own. He was headed

1119
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: over there anyway, you know, So I just stood back

1120
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: and let him walk up on him. And that's the

1121
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: greatest to me. That's what it's all about.

1122
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's so cool.

1123
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: I guess one one last kind of actually finding Antler's

1124
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: kind of question here for you? Is there? I mean,

1125
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: I just you've got this really interesting experience. But maybe

1126
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean, have you, as you've talked to people about

1127
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: this project, have you found anybody else who's done who've

1128
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: done this?

1129
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: Or are you the guy?

1130
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. I've never found anybody. I've

1131
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: followed a couple of leads, people like, oh this guy

1132
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 2: did or this guy did, and I've chased him down

1133
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: and it's no, I don't think. I don't think anybody's

1134
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: ever done it before.

1135
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: So, with this very unique perspective, what is the single

1136
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: greatest mistake related to shad hunting first that you've made?

1137
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: And then secondly, what do you think the most common

1138
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: mistake that most people make when it comes to shad hunting?

1139
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: And that could either be you know, like a tactical

1140
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: thing like actually, what will help you make, you know,

1141
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: find more antlers, or maybe something like a larger question,

1142
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: a larger thing related to SHD hunting. But I'm curious,

1143
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: what's the biggest mistake you've made, and what do you

1144
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: think is the largest mistake or most common mistake that

1145
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: most hunters make.

1146
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 2: They're probably the same thing. It's probably the same answer,

1147
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: and that is ignoring areas that you assume are hiked.

1148
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 2: I think that most people will do that. Like I

1149
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: have some spots that I've hit now for years where

1150
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: they're the dumbest spots. You would not necessarily expect them

1151
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: to be holding anything. We have a spot in Nevada

1152
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: that is literally right next to the highway. It's in

1153
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: between the highway and another main road, and it's right

1154
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 2: in the gap and it's only five hundred yards between

1155
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: these two roads. It's just one little set of hills.

1156
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: And I drove by it for so long and before

1157
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: one day hiking it and like just absolutely loading up

1158
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 2: on antlers. And I'm like everybody else is doing the

1159
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: same thing. They're driving by this little teeny set of

1160
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: hills and they're like that gets hit that's hiked. It's

1161
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: too close to the road. I'm not gonna I'm not

1162
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: going to hit that. But on that one specific spot

1163
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm talking about now, we've pulled a three hundred and

1164
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 2: ninety six inch set of elk sheds out of it. Whoa,

1165
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: we pulled three hundred and sixty five inches set out

1166
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: sheds out of it, pull the two hundred and five

1167
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: and shed of mule deer sheds out of it, and

1168
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: then on top of that, just like I don't know,

1169
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: fifty or sixty other quality antlers, And it's just like

1170
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: I was talking before, it's isolated hills in the middle

1171
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: of a big flat, but it's right off the highway.

1172
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: I mean that biggest set of elk sheds. My buddy

1173
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: Troy actually picked them up when we were hearing cars

1174
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: go by on the highway, sitting there looking at the

1175
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: biggest set of elk sheds we've ever found. So it's

1176
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: just like, don't overlook those dumb spots that you can

1177
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: hike in ten minutes. Like if something looks good, I

1178
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: don't care if it's next to the highway, I don't

1179
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: care if it's between the interstate lanes. Just go look

1180
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: at it, so.

1181
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: Kind of a natural file to that question. Then you know,

1182
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: you talked about one big mistake, and that being ignoring

1183
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: those kind of two obvious places. When I was asking

1184
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: that question, an idea came into my mind about what

1185
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: I thought one of the biggest mistakes that other people make,

1186
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: And it wasn't so much related to you know, finding sheds,

1187
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: as it is related to having fun while shed hunting,

1188
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: which brought to mind the fact that like oftentimes me

1189
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: and my buddies will go out there for a weekend

1190
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: of shed hunting somewhere and sometimes as a friend or

1191
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: two who within like the first four hours will get

1192
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: super negative and and all of a sudden they are

1193
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: like miserable, We're never gonna find any sheds, or this

1194
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: place sucks or whatever it wants. You know, so long

1195
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: you haven't find anything. Do you have any thoughts on

1196
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: how to keep shed hunting fun? Yeah, Like, if it

1197
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: quits being fun, quit doing it. Like that's what I

1198
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: tell people all the time.

1199
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: If it's if you're not having a good time, go

1200
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: back to the truck and kick it and have a

1201
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: drink and eat a sandwich and then go hit it

1202
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: again in the afternoon. Like, if you're not having fun,

1203
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be that effective at it either. And

1204
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, like a moment will come or

1205
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, I'm tired. This sucks. And if

1206
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: it's just that push through. But if you're getting burned

1207
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: out on it, as like a hobby as a whole,

1208
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with taking a day and just chilling

1209
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: a camp like it's supposed to be fun. That's the

1210
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: whole purpose of it. And I've been guilty of taking

1211
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: it too seriously. I mean, there was a time in

1212
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: my life where I shut hunting five days a week

1213
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: and like it after a while, it's like it felt

1214
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: like a job. It's like I gotta go grind it out.

1215
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 2: I got to get this many miles per day, or

1216
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: I'm not trying hard enough. I got to find this

1217
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: many antlers if I want to sell them for this

1218
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: much and do and like it just takes the takes

1219
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: the fun out of it. It truly does. So if

1220
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: you're burned out on it, if you feel like you

1221
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: know you're not having the success you want to have,

1222
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: like drink a monster, chill out, hang out under a tree,

1223
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: you take a nap and then go get back after

1224
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: it when it feels fun again, like there's nothing wrong.

1225
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: You don't have to be that die hard.

1226
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's really good advice.

1227
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: Another suggestion I'll throughout there is like deal with friends,

1228
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: Like shed hunting is so much more fun. I mean,

1229
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: it's fun as a solo thing, don't get me wrong.

1230
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: I enjoy that. But then also it's always more fun

1231
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: when you've got a group of buddies and you can

1232
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: get back together after you're walking or you meet up

1233
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: halfway through or whatever it is. That's that's a great

1234
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: It's a great way to you know, get some exercise,

1235
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: have good times with your friends, be outside and a

1236
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: part of the year that maybe you're not usually going

1237
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: to be out there doing something. It's a pretty darn

1238
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: good thing. I can't I can't find too much negative

1239
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: to say about shed hunting. It's a great way to

1240
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: spend an early spring day. So tell me this, Ben.

1241
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: If folks want to follow more of your stuff, see

1242
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: your video, see any of your content, where can they

1243
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: find it and what should they be looking forward to

1244
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: in the coming year.

1245
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, all my socials are shed crazy solid one word.

1246
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: I think my YouTube's under Shed Crazy Official, but if

1247
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: you search Shed Crazy, I'll pop up there. I have

1248
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: a couple of videos coming up from an early higke

1249
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: I did this year. We went out and looked for

1250
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: some dead desert big horn rams, so that's coming before

1251
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: too long. And then I did a project this year,

1252
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: try to do the Native North American deer Slam with

1253
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: a thirty thirty. I just finished that project, so we're

1254
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: going to be dropping a film that probably the summer,

1255
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: but it'll be like a step above in quality what

1256
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: I usually do on the YouTube channel. I'm stoked for that.

1257
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 2: So that's all coming down the pike. And yeah, just

1258
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: getting into shed season now, so you can look for

1259
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: some some shed videos to be popping on the YouTube

1260
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 2: before too long.

1261
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, I'm looking forward following along. You know what

1262
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: we didn't get into in this conversation really at all,

1263
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: but that seems to be a big part of what

1264
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 1: you bring to the table is just like a much

1265
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: needed sense of fun and irreverence.

1266
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: You know.

1267
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you can, you know, the

1268
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: fun that you bring to your social media, the crazy

1269
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: things you do and say and you know, crack jokes

1270
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: on I think is a much needed A little bit

1271
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: of positivity in the social media world can compared to

1272
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: a lot of the negativity out there, So keep that

1273
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: up too, man. I appreciate that.

1274
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: Well, thanks dude, I appreciate it.

1275
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,479
Speaker 3: I will, and thanks for this chat.

1276
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. It's got me amped up for shed season,

1277
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: gave me some good ideas, and I'm looking forward to

1278
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: putting it into action.

1279
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, good man. Hope you have a good shed season.

1280
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: All right, And that's going to wrap it up for

1281
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: us here today. Thanks for tuning in. Hope you enjoyed

1282
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: these shed hunting tips, tricks, and philosophies you might call them.

1283
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: I certainly am excited to get out there and start

1284
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: walking here soon. Usually like mid February is my start

1285
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: date for shed hunting here in the Midwest, and that

1286
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: is knocking on the door here. So best of luck

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Speaker 1: out there. Until next time, stay wired to hunt.