1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: I've about here since two thy sixteen something else. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Huh. Yeah, it's been a long road, buddy. You know, 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: I really enjoy my time here and enjoy coaching these 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: guys and the people in the building and everything like that. 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: It's been awesome experience since i've been here. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: Yes, I've asked you this before, but what's been the 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: key to your longevity? Because most of the time you 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: don't see a special teams coordinator had this kind of 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: tenure in the league. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, you know, to be honest 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: with you, I just try to keep my head down 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: and do my job, man, and you know, try to 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: stay in my lane and do the best job I 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: can and try to develop people and things like that. 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: And fortunately enough, you know, especially for my family, that 16 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: I haven't had to move my kids around and and 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: stuff like that. And it's it's been, like I said, 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: it's been a pleasure to be here or this long especially, 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: I've been a real lucky guy. 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: So many changes in special teams from a personnel perspective 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: each year, So the challenge for you guys is incredible 22 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: throughout the National Football League, not just Tier a lot 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: of abs and flows, but last year one of your 24 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: higher points. I would say, when you go back and 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: look at yourself in twenty twenty three, as far as 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: the season is concerned, what sticks out? 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: You know, there there were a lot of positives I thought, 28 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: but there's certainly a lot of things that I felt 29 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: like we didn't do a very good job on. And 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: you know the importance of fundamentals and everything which we're 31 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: practicing the entire offseason. You know, you try to, you know, 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: to attack those with tempo and trying to get everything 33 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: right that you did you didn't do a very good 34 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: job the year before while trying to do the same 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: the things that you did well. You're still brushing up 36 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: on those all the time. But you know, the fundamental 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: part of special teams and good special teams play as 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: everybody working together, being on the same page, and you know, 39 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: every body knowing their stuff. And while I thought, like 40 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: I said, I think I think we've did some some 41 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: good things, there's some things that we certainly could be better. 42 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: And uh, you know the stress that you know, the 43 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: standard of which we need to perform is is uh, 44 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: you know, at a really high level and you know 45 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: that's how we coach them and and uh, the guys 46 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: have bought in, and then you know, we've got a 47 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: really good group of guys here that work hard and uh, 48 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: you know, they're doing a nice job. Seems like they're 49 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: they're getting the techniques uh down pretty good, and especially 50 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: with all the unknowns with the new kickoff rules and 51 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: stuff like that. So it'll be interesting to see how 52 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: we do it. And and just excited to get it 53 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: going and and uh see how we do. 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: I think Rick Oslin does the best year by year 55 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: special teams rankings. He's been doing it for decades and 56 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: he had you guys number three overall last year. Let's 57 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: start with a kicking duel both those guys, Tomas Mori 58 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: Stak greg'ser line after the spring as free agents, how 59 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: big is it that they're staying here? 60 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: It's uh, it was, it was huge. It was you 61 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: know number one and number two needs for for me 62 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: to try to get back. But you talk of that 63 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: whole trio of specialists with Hennessy and and Morstead and 64 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: and and Zerolene and and all just great great guys 65 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: and uh you know, great pros and and you know 66 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: you never have to tell those guys to to help 67 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: lead your room. You never have to tell those guys 68 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: to go work. You never have to tell those guys 69 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: to uh, you know, to do all the things that 70 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: it is to be a pro taking care of your 71 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: body and and uh and you know they perform at 72 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: an elite level when when it comes down to it. 73 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: And so you know, anytime you have three really good specialists, 74 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: you know it certainly you can you can piece in 75 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 2: the parts from there, and you know that's and that's 76 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: what we're trying to do. Those guys are are some 77 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: of the best in the league, if not the best. 78 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: As a player or a coach. Have you ever experienced 79 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: a kicking season like that from. 80 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: A duel last year? Yeah, I don't think so. I 81 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: think that's the best duel we've had. We've had some 82 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: really good performances and stuff like that, but that that 83 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: group really came along and did a really really good job. 84 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 2: And I expect the same this year. 85 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: Can you speak to zerline thriving not just in regular 86 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: in game situations, but late It seemed like when he 87 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: was asked, when he's called upon late he needed a kick, 88 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: he gave. 89 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: It to you, right. I think you know that that 90 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: goes to a testament of him and his longevity in 91 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: the league. You know, same with Morris, that's same with Hennessy. 92 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: They're all pros, and you know when you put them 93 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: in those situations and whether it's a game winner, whether 94 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: it's a game to tie the game, everything like that. 95 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: Like you, I don't even worry whether he's not going 96 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: to make it and things like that. So you know, 97 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: I have the utmost confidence in all those guys and 98 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: the way they perform. And they had a heck of 99 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: a year last year, and I see nothing but them 100 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: getting better. 101 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, on a perfect day in 102 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: my life, say it'd seventy two degrees early in season September, 103 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: maybe it's Week four against the Broncos. 104 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: What's his range? 105 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: Uh? 106 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: Little wind, a little just just just a gus. 107 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: And I was seeing him, uh two days ago. I 108 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: think he was kicking sixty five yarders, you know, And 109 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: and you may get longer than that depending on a 110 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: little wind here and there, you know. So he's got 111 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: plenty of ag, that's for sure. Yeah, he does a 112 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: great job all that. The operation there between those three 113 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: guys is fantastic. 114 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: What about more Stead. 115 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: We've talked before about his expertise in directional kicking, and 116 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: we saw that again last year. I thought the game 117 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: against the Giants, and I'd like to get your thoughts 118 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: on this was one of the best Plinny games that 119 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. 120 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's he is uh, you know, like I said, 121 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: all three of these guys are, but team always is A. 122 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 2: He's a machine man and he and he just keeps 123 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: going and going. And you know, a lot of guys 124 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: will decline when they get older. It seems like these 125 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: these three guys are are getting better. And uh, you know, 126 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: I I appreciate the heck out of those guys. They 127 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: actually came snowmobiling with me after the season and stuff 128 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: in Utah, so we had a good time and and uh, 129 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: you know, I kind of did it as a trip 130 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: to thank him and stuff, you know, because they did 131 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: such a good job. But morestead is A is a 132 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: ultimate pro. He takes the leadership in our room. You know, 133 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: the way he handles his punts directionally. Uh, he's a 134 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: pleasure to beat around all the time. You know, you 135 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: cannot say good enough stuff about him, and you know, 136 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 2: all three of them, but you know, he's done a 137 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: heck of a job. Since he's been here. 138 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 3: So what was that time like in Utah? 139 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 2: It was fun. Yeah. Yeah. We we rented a big 140 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: house in in uh in Park City and took him 141 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: snowmobilling a couple of them for the first time, and 142 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: they had a blast. 143 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: They had a lot of fun. 144 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: Good yeah, good. 145 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 3: Who's the best rider? 146 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: Uh, I'd say more Stead was a little more daring 147 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: than the other two then Hannah Nnessey. Uh, you know, 148 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: he he would get after a little bit zerline, you know, 149 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: after the first day he got used to it, and 150 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: and uh, they were riding really well actually in the 151 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: second day and and stuff. So we had fun. 152 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 3: It was about storyteller of the bunch. 153 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: Oh that's a tough one. Probably their line. He's got 154 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: that dry sense of humor. Man, he's hilarious. 155 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, kind of See you've mentioned him often, even 156 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: when I asked his specifically about ze or more Stead. 157 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: You make sure that he's not forgetting forgotten here. I 158 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: mean it's like from a pitcher's perspective, the guy's just 159 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: throwing perfect games after perfect games. 160 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he since I've been here, you know, I don't 161 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: know if I've ever had I've seriously and I can 162 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: honestly say this, I don't know if I've got on 163 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: him five five times. And because he does stuff right, 164 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: he studies his stuff, he knows his stuff every week. 165 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: He's consistent as there is, you know, as any snapper 166 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: in the league, throws as good as ball as anybody 167 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: in the league. And he's a huge part. That's why 168 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 2: I mentioned him all the time of what those guys 169 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: did last year specifically, and even when Morstead was here 170 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: the first time and things like that. He's been a 171 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: consistent here since I've been here, and and uh, you know, 172 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: it's a it's a great thing to have those those 173 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: three kind of great guys that that perform like that 174 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: and and are such pros. I can't can't think of 175 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: him enough, that's for sure. 176 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: What's the landscape look for you now on the outside 177 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: without Justin Hardy, who flourished here. He really took his 178 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: game to the next level. You guys knew he was 179 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: a good player in New Orleans. I thought he got 180 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: even better in the Accolades camp. 181 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: You know, certainly a guy like that is going to 182 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: be missed, you know, but uh, you know, we have 183 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: some very capable guys and uh, you know, there's a 184 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: an army of people in camp right now that that uh, 185 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 2: you know, you work and and some guys look really good. 186 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: Some guys are really picking it up and and uh 187 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: it all comes down to what happens in the preseason 188 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 2: and and then you pick the best too and and 189 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: roll with those gunners and and uh, you know, hopefully 190 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 2: having Timo hit the edges, which is really good and 191 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: and uh try to limit limit returns and and create 192 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: filp is a you know. So you know, it's a 193 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 2: good group of guys, uh that work hard and everything, 194 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: and we'll see how it shakes out in the end. 195 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: What's Irv's potential there? Because he made this roster primarily 196 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: for his ability what he could do on teams. He's 197 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: going to continue to develop as a receiver right now, 198 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: he's working off to the side during. 199 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: I think I think Irv's potential is is as high 200 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: as anybody in the league as a special teams player. Well, 201 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: I really truly believe that, you know, it was with 202 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: some some detail work and stuff like that. Uh, the 203 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: way he plays, how big, long and fast that kid is, 204 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: and he's and he's really good in all phases. You know, 205 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: a lot of guys are are are specialists so to speak, 206 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: that are really good on punt and maybe kick off, 207 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: but they're not so good in blocking phases and things 208 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: like that. Irv's got the ability to do all four 209 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 2: all four phases and and be a standout in all 210 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: four phases and and so he's heavily relied on. And 211 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 2: I think he can be as good special teams players 212 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: as anybody in this league, I really do. Potential wise, 213 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: do you. 214 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 3: Talk to him about the opportunity that's a hand. 215 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 2: Or he absolutely absolutely, I talk to him all the time. Yeah. 216 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: I think he gets tired of me, you know, getting 217 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: after him and stuff like that, But I think he 218 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: obviously knows that that, you know, I'm trying to get 219 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: the best out of him. And as a worker. He's 220 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: an awesome kid. You can't say enough good things about 221 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: the kid. 222 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: Big body dude, and he runnie. 223 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: He's strong as hell too. 224 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 225 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, how about Brandon Eckles. He's a guy who's been 226 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: playing opposite Hardy for years now. I gotta imagine your 227 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: expectation is maybe more of a leadership component. 228 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: Yes, actually he's uh, I was going to say that 229 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 2: he's you know, Eccles has been really good since he's 230 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: been here, and he and he's done a really good 231 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: job for us. And every time he gets out there, 232 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: he is consistent, you know exactly what you're going to get, 233 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: which which I really like. And uh, he's taken a 234 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: more of a leadership approach this offseason with the young guys, 235 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: and I really like that. And he's been a big 236 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: part of what we're doing here since he's been here. 237 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: For sure, I. 238 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: Think I'm going to save the best for last, and 239 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: that's a new kickoff return rules. We're going through personnel 240 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: right now. Xavier Gibson to the house the dramatics in 241 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: Week one last year. But what did you make of 242 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: him as a rookie in both return phases. I was 243 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: looking at his punt return stats, a lot of fair catches, 244 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: but the counter on that is, well, he's catching the ball, 245 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: and the other thing is when he did return it, 246 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: his average was very good. 247 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. I think I think you saw flashes of 248 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: what he can be. And I think x can be 249 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: a really really top ten kind of a good returner 250 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: in this league. And I think he's proven that last year. 251 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: You know, there's some stuff that you need to clean 252 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: up with catching catching balls and not fair catching in 253 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: some situations and stuff like that. All that happens because 254 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,359 Speaker 2: they're they're rookies. They're not used to being in those situations. 255 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: I think you saw a big improvement of him getting 256 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: vertical more instead of going sideways late in the year, 257 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: you know, especially specifically excuse me in in uh the 258 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: New England game and all that wind and he's going 259 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: up there and catching it in the snow and and uh, 260 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: you know, saving us a ton of field position, and 261 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: the progression of of of him, you know, throughout the 262 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,119 Speaker 2: season I thought was really good, and especially his offensive 263 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: role went way up. And I think that's where you know, 264 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: I mean, he was playing a lot of offensive ball 265 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: and and uh so I think that you know at 266 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: times that he probably got a little worn down, to 267 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: be honest with you, but he's he's an explosive playmaker, 268 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: does a really good job. And uh, you know, I 269 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 2: expect nothing to see, but you know, steps as he 270 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: keeps getting better and better. 271 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: You see a more confident cat out there on the field. 272 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. The way you see how he how he prepares, 273 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 2: how he how he's working at practice. Everything's full speed, 274 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: things like that, and that's all the stuff that we 275 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: had worked on last year that he's now he's taken 276 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: the next step of being a pro and practicing like 277 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: a pro, and and uh, you know, he's taking a 278 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: leadership role with all those returners back there, and and uh, 279 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: you know, I tell him what he what we need 280 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: and and you know he filters it through the room 281 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So he's he's doing a great job. 282 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: I expect really big things out of him this year. 283 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: It was a cool moment the other day at practice 284 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: when Aaron rolls to his right, looks down the field, 285 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: down this sideline comes all the way. 286 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: Back across the field. It's X for a fifty nine 287 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: yard score. 288 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's Uh, he's he's a Aaron's a heck 289 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: of a guy, you know, you know, on a heck 290 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: of a player, obviously, and he's been been so productive 291 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 2: for so long. And and you know what I like 292 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: about it. You know, I played with Dan Marino my rookiear. 293 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: It reminds me so much as standing there back there 294 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: watching him and how fast he gets rid of the 295 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: ball and how easy it comes out of his hands, 296 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: and the leadership that he has and and uh, it's been. 297 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: It's it'll be really good for this football team, that's 298 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: for sure. 299 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: Can you speak to those similarities, just touch upon it 300 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. But when you look at Aaron practice 301 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: and then you go back, yeah and watch those moments 302 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: in Miami. 303 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: Marine, it's just the way how fast he gets rid 304 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: of the ball and how easy you know he he 305 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: does that stuff and the no look passes and you know, 306 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: obviously he's one of the best to ever do it. 307 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: And but there are some similarities there that I that 308 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: I see, you know, and the leadership component to it, 309 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: where he's he's helping coach all those guys and if 310 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: he sees something, he knows what the line's doing and 311 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: and uh, you know what the backs are doing and 312 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: he and he tries to correct him right away and 313 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, helping those guys get better and 314 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: that that does nothing but lead to team success in 315 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: my opinion. And and and Danny did that too down there. 316 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 3: Have you talked to him about Marina, I haven't. 317 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure you liked those conversations because he's a guy 318 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: who's he's definitely a history by right. 319 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's been really good to get to know here, 320 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: and like I said, I think the biggest component is 321 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: the leadership aspect of it, and let alone the supreme 322 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: talent that that guy has. You know, it's going to 323 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: help this team a bunch. 324 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: All right, drum roll, what is that NFL's new kickoff roll? 325 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: If you're at a dinner party somewhere in summer, maybe 326 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: you're on the lake, you're fishing in Utah, somebody says, 327 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: what's what's going on? 328 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: What is his new kickoff role? 329 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: I think it's uh, you know, they're trying to they're 330 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: trying to constrict the space and the speed of the 331 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: game and to limit injuries and uh. But I think 332 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: what you're going to see this year is is it's 333 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: almost an unknown because it's never been done here, you know, 334 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: in the league before. And it's different than the XFL 335 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: because we have more space. They pushed us back five 336 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: yards even more than the XFL. So as much you 337 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: know tape that we have studied in the last four months. 338 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: When this this came about, it's it's a kind of 339 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: a wait and see on what what you can get 340 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: to what you can't. You know, we're experimenting every day 341 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: that we do it. You know, the different kicks and 342 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: and different strategies and and things like that, and different techniques. 343 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: It's it's it's so much different for cover guys. They're 344 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: going to be on top of you fast. You're not 345 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: going to have as much space to beat them. It's 346 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: going to be really interesting to see how it goes, 347 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: how the rules may change in the preseason depending on 348 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: on how people are approaching this rule. And so it's 349 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: you don't know what you can do because you can't 350 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: line up eleven against eleven and go full fill covers 351 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: every five minutes down or every couple of minutes here, 352 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: you know, And so you really don't know until the preseason, 353 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: true preseason, where you can what returns, you can do 354 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: everything like that, and where you can get your doubles 355 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: from your traps, whatever you may be working on for 356 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: the week. You know, where are those guys need to 357 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: single all that stuff. Nobody knows until because nobody can 358 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 2: go out there and practice full speed the way it 359 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: needs to be practiced and do that because the players 360 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 2: just you know, you can't do that in the offseason 361 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: like you used to so much, you know what I'm saying. 362 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: So it's it's a lot of unknown, but I'm excited 363 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: for it because it makes the players. I think it's 364 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: really exciting for the players because the players are now 365 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: special teams. Guys are valuable guys. They're gonna have to cover, 366 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: you know. I bet you eighty percent of the kicks 367 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: this year. 368 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: So specifically, you're still kicking off from the thirty five. 369 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: Your coverage unit now is on the plus forty. On 370 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: the plus forty, yeah, and they can't. 371 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: Move until the ball hits the ground or it's touched right, 372 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: and so nor can the kick return team that's on 373 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: the thirty five. They're only five yards away, you know. 374 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: And then you have two more in the back end 375 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: wherever you want to put them, and then two returners. 376 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: You're going to have to have two returners as opposed 377 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: to one all the time this year because of the 378 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: balls these kickers will be able to hit. 379 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: How does that change? And I don't I'm not asking you. 380 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: To give away all your secrets here because some of 381 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: this is experimentation, like you just talked about. But how 382 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: does it change the role of a returner? You still 383 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: want to take it to the house. But are you 384 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: looking for as far as that skill set? Are you 385 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: looking for a different player? Than maybe you did in 386 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: the past. 387 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: That's that's a really good question. I think that again, 388 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: that's kind of a wait and see deal. I don't 389 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: I think a good returner is going to flourish no 390 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: matter what. And uh, and we we have got it. 391 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 2: Gets our jobs as as coaches and as players and 392 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: specifically the blockers and everything to to make the most 393 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: of their talent and make make them right. Whatever their 394 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: skill set is, it's our job to figure it out 395 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: and to and to take advantage of it. I don't 396 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: think you're going to see a monster difference of little 397 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: scat kind of guys back there or big dudes that 398 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 2: just putting their foot in their ground and get vertical. 399 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: You know. I think that your scheme is your scheme 400 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: when you come up with it and you tailor it 401 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: to what the returner can do the best, and you 402 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: try to do all the things that we've always tried 403 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: to do since we've been here, and take advantage of 404 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: their talents and try to feature those guys. But you know, 405 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: I mean that returner, whoever that starting dual returner is, 406 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: you know Gibson, you know, for an example, he's going 407 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 2: to get probably eighty plus punt returns, and he's probably 408 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: going to get guaranteed probably forty to fifty kick returns 409 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: if he's the dual guy. So there's not one other 410 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 2: player on this roster other than Aaron Rodgers or probably 411 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: Breis Hall that are going to touch the ball that 412 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: many times in a season, one hundred and thirty times 413 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: in a season. And so I think it's paramount to 414 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: have those kind of guys. 415 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: And so you need a couple of guys. 416 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: You have to have two guys and and uh, you 417 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: know wherever they may shake out from, you know. And 418 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: and we've got a bunch of good, good returners in 419 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: here and and trying to get those guys going, and 420 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: and you know, the Joe and his staff has done 421 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: a nice job of bringing some guys in and and 422 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 2: things like that. So it'll be interesting to see how 423 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: it shakes out. But it really will. 424 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: Jets fans have asked after the rule came out, bris 425 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: saw man, he's a beast. 426 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 3: It's up for four guy. 427 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: Two hundred plus pounds knocking people over whatever. He doesn't 428 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: need a lot of space. Take Briese's name out of it. 429 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: Do you think there's gonna be more teams app to 430 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: use running backs in that spot. 431 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: Here in absolutely I think that you know, with their vision, 432 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: their run skilled, they're used to run on those kind 433 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 2: of tracks things like that. But you also have to 434 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: be a decision maker and everything back there and and 435 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: make good decisions. And the and the balls that you're 436 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 2: going to see this year, I think are way different 437 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: than it's ever been. I think you're going to see 438 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: a ton of balls trying, a bunch of liners that 439 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: are getting on the ground and stuff like that. Like 440 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: obviously Breeze is an elite, elite talent. Would love to 441 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: use him, but unfortunately I can't. But you know, those 442 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: kind of guys would be unbelievable. He'd be an unbelievable 443 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: kick returner. You know, if you're ever able to use him. 444 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 3: Well, you never know. 445 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: Back in the day Antonio Cramarti and that big playoff 446 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: game obviously a different era against the Indianapolis Colts, but 447 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: when the Jets need a big return to. 448 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: Throw a crow back there and stuff like that. 449 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, cornerback three con what have you appreciated about 450 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: his game from the time he entered the National Football 451 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: League even back go back to when he came out, 452 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: because I think you were a fan of him in college. 453 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: I was a big fan. I think he's you know, 454 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 2: I went down and worked him out. I believe it's 455 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: North Carolina A and T or something like that, right, 456 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: And uh, and I went and worked him out, and 457 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: and I remember saying something to him like, dude, do 458 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 2: you ever smile? You know, in the middle of the workout. 459 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: I worked his butt off, you know, in the workout. 460 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: And and uh, what I really liked about him and 461 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: I appreciated was he was all business man. I mean 462 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 2: he didn't smile one time. Yes, sir, did everything I 463 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: asked him to do. And and uh, you know, I 464 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: see a guy that you know specifically, uh you know, 465 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 2: coming out of college that had unbelievable run, skill, vision talent, 466 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: uh quickness, short area burst, long burst. I mean he 467 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: was he was a complete returner and player. And and uh, 468 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: I really like I did like him coming out and 469 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, he's doing a really good job 470 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: since he's been here, and and uh, he don't say 471 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 2: much and he just shows up, straps it on and 472 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: goes to work and and uh, you really like guys 473 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 2: like that. 474 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: Alice, is he embracing this journey because he's went through 475 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: a lot, yeah, late as injuries, a concern of really 476 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, his career is went on a detour. Yeah, 477 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: and now he's trying to reignite it. 478 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's had some tough luck with injuries and 479 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 2: stuff like that. And and uh, you know, I think 480 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: you're you're starting to seem get healthy and get get 481 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: the you know, get his stinger back, so to speak. 482 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: You know, And Uh, I think he's Uh, he's a 483 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 2: guy with that's going to be in that mix of 484 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: returners for us, and and uh, we'll see how it 485 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 2: shakes out in the end, but I'm excited to see 486 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: what he can do in the preseason, that's for sure. 487 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: Who else is in that mix right now? 488 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: You mentioned that Davis and all those guys validate. I mean, 489 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: we've got an army of guys back there. 490 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: So I wanted I wanted to ask you about the 491 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: young running backs because you just transition there, Isaiah Braylan. 492 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: When you watch them college tape, do you see them 493 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: on teams because they got the ball so much at Wisconsin, he. 494 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: Didn't see much of it. So a lot of it's 495 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: are projection, right, So you know, when you try to 496 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 2: evaluate these guys, like just specifically for special teams. You know, 497 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: if they're not playing much special teams, I want to 498 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: see if they can block. Are they willing to stick 499 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: their face in there? 500 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: Uh? 501 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 2: And then when you see them run the ball, what's 502 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: their vision? Like, what's their run skill? Like? You know, 503 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: can they set up returns? You know, stuff like that, 504 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: because the returner is the best blocker that that you have, 505 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 2: and and the way he sets up returns and and 506 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: things like that, and how we show him around here. 507 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: You know, I think that Uh, those young kids specifically, 508 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: you know, you watch watch Davis, and you watch Allen 509 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: and and they've been awesome since they've been here. This 510 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: is a really good group of guys throughout the whole dealing, 511 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: and especially the rookies have come in this year and 512 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: they've done a really good job, almost as good as 513 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 2: any rookie class that I've seen. You know, it's not 514 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: perfect all the time, but but uh, specifically, this rookie 515 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: class has come in, learned really well and and and 516 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: bought in. You know, people aren't walking in late and 517 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: stuff like that. Like years of past that sometimes that 518 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 2: you had to get after people and stuff like that. 519 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: This this class has not. For yeah, it's uh. They 520 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 2: they've done a great job since I've been here. And 521 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: and like I said, they've picked up stuff really really well. 522 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: And uh so now instead of leaving it with one position, 523 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: I'm starting to move him around and stuff like that, 524 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: because once they get one position down, I'm changing them sides. 525 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: I'm moving them to the other side in case, you know, 526 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: you have injuries in a game and stuff like that 527 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: where you're not gonna have to move three people around 528 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 2: for one guy if somebody goes down. And so you 529 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: try to develop you know, scheme flex with those guys, 530 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: and and they've handled it pretty good. And you know, 531 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: like I said, is it always perfect, No, But uh, 532 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 2: this this group specifically has been has been pretty dang good. 533 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: Speaking of scheme flex, how about Corley. 534 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 2: Cory's Corley has done a nice job since he's been here. 535 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: You know, he's got he's got some stuff to fix. 536 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: But just like anybody, we all do, coaches players, everybody. 537 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: But he's certainly a talented kid, and he's a physical 538 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 2: guy when he gets the ball in his hands, and 539 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, uh, we'll see how that shakes 540 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 2: out in the end. 541 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: The young DBS, Stiggers and key. How have they adapted 542 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 3: so far? 543 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 2: Uh? Really well, I think they've done a really nice job, 544 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: you know. I think that you'll be able to use 545 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 2: those guys uh pretty much anywhere, you know. And there's 546 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 2: some free agents too that are that are really coming 547 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: along doing a nice job and and uh, whether that's corner, safety, linebacker, 548 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 2: there's some receivers that can really run and and stuff 549 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: like that. So it'll be interesting to see how it 550 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: shakes out. And then when when we get the roster 551 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 2: finalized and everything, you see who you got and uh, 552 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: let them hunt, you know. 553 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, So. 554 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: What's your thoughts always heading into a training camp as 555 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: far as what you just spoke about is that there 556 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: might be a guy who's very good at teams, but 557 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: maybe the need is there more at the position group, 558 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: an ultimately guy doesn't make the roster. 559 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 3: So, like, can you. 560 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: Talk about what goes through your mind in roster construction 561 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: because it's got to be difficult every year for every 562 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: position coach, but for you specifically. 563 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I mean life of a special teams 564 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: coach is basically you're putting a puzzle together all the time. Yeah, 565 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: and because you never know who you're going to end 566 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: up with with, you know, especially specifically like the you know, 567 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: a few spots here and there. I think you have 568 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 2: a pretty good idea. But you know, but that's really 569 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: what I appreciate about the job. And it's and it's 570 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 2: a big challenge to find out what can this kid 571 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 2: excel and what can he do and what can he 572 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: not do? And where do I put those guys and 573 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: how do I piece this puzzle together? And uh, you 574 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: know the progression of coaching and playing and stuff like that, 575 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 2: and how those guys fit into specific environments, how to 576 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: what like I said, taking advantage of their skill sets 577 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: and where do you put them and within your scheme? 578 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 2: And I think that's you know, it's tough sometimes to 579 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: to have some guys that you really like and you 580 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: don't get them and stuff like that. That happens every 581 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: year and that's part of the business and and I'm 582 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: on good with it, you know, but it is it 583 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: is challenging at times. But like I said, that's part 584 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: of what makes it really cool because because you have 585 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 2: a special teams coordinator, you talk to the whole team 586 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: and and uh, you have a relationship with all these 587 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: guys and and you you you know, Smash and everybody 588 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 2: who helps on teams and even the position coaches and 589 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: Sola and everybody, they stress the importance of it. And 590 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 2: and I think that's made a big difference here. And 591 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: so you know, they stress the importance of special teams 592 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: and field position and they try to help me as 593 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: much as they can. And and uh, I think that's 594 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: you know, when you get when you get help like 595 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: that from your your coaches and things like that, it 596 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: just you know, goes down to the players and then 597 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: it's a matter of finding out what they do well 598 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: and taking advantage of their skill sets. 599 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: I know for years a lot of guys in the 600 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: league were worried that they're going to take kickoffs out 601 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: of the National Football League, out of the game. 602 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: They were phasing it out. 603 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: So once you heard the league proposal goes through in 604 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: Florida at the league meetings, how energized were you. 605 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: I think it's uh, you know, you're going to go 606 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: from I think it was twenty two percent return kickoffs 607 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: last year in the league. I think you're going to 608 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: go to seventy five eighty percent returns this year. Well, 609 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: and so it's going to be a big different. Like 610 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: I said, it's gonna it's gonna look different. There's gonna 611 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: be a lot of balls rolling on the ground just 612 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: because of how they're going to try to attack everybody. 613 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: You know. Uh, it's going to look totally different to 614 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: the average fan, just like it does to anybody in 615 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: the league right now. And uh, it's going to be 616 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: interesting to see how it goes. I think there's gonna 617 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 2: be some opportunities for some some big plays with the 618 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: new rules and everything and how how everybody's going to 619 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: be approaching it. So, you know, we'll see how it goes. 620 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: I'm excited about it because it makes especially those young 621 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: men that play on all these teams and everything that 622 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 2: that were almost an afterthought. Now that now that now 623 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: the guys that I made a career trying to do 624 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: it myself is is you know, those guys that are 625 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: playing all special teams, You're you're going to have to 626 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: cover you know, eighty kicks this year, maybe ninety kicks, 627 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: where last year we didn't cover very many. 628 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: He can't go get your beer anymore. 629 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, true. 630 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: You mentioned Zerline a couple of times. 631 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: As far as the kicks are concerned, you said you're 632 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: going to see a lot of different kickoffs. How much 633 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: is he practicing on that right now throughout the sprint 634 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: quite a bit? 635 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: You know, I think this is you know, for a 636 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: guy like like Greg, he's got all the kicks in 637 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: his in his repertoire anyway, but these are certainly different kicks. 638 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: And uh, you know, we're experimenting with him here and there, 639 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: but he's got a ramp up period that he that 640 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: he works on, you know, specifically, and and uh that 641 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: you ramp up and you touch on little things that 642 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: you want to work when he when he's here, and uh, 643 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: and then when he goes home this summer, he'll have 644 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of stuff that that that he'll 645 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: work on and and uh, you know, as they as 646 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: they progress and start getting better and better and the 647 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: locations get better and all this stuff that like, it's 648 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: going to be interesting to see how it plays out 649 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: and where how it all works, because nobody. 650 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: Knows somebody who has been here for a long time 651 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: and has seen a lot of rosters and played in 652 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: the league for more than a decade, what do you 653 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: think about the talent? 654 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: I know it's just on paper. 655 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm not asking about wins and losses, but as far 656 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: as this roster is concerned, what are the New York Jets? 657 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 3: What can they be? 658 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to give any projections, I 659 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: really don't, but I think that Joe and Sola and 660 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: all their staff, uh, you know, I think they've done 661 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: a really good job of of trying to fill the 662 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: holes where the holes were needed and and that needed 663 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: to be filled, and uh, you know, I see a 664 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: pretty talented group, and I see, you know, if if 665 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: we don't turn the ball over and uh, you know, 666 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: we we play complimentary football in all three phases and 667 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: everything like that. You know, I think that that we're 668 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: going to have a good year. I really do. And 669 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: and we'll see how it plays out. And obviously there's 670 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: a lot of unknowns, but certainly I think that Joe, Joe, 671 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: they have done a good job of filling out this 672 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: roster and really helping this football team. 673 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 3: But before that, plenty of fish to catch in Utah. 674 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 3: What do you catch, ul. 675 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: Troutut I'll be floating down rivers in Wyoming, Montana, and 676 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: Utah for probably twenty out of the thirty days I'm home, 677 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: So it'll be. 678 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: Fun enjoy it brother. We will see you back here 679 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: for training camp. 680 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: All right. Appreciate you, Bud.