WEBVTT - Call It with Joan Vassos and Chock Chapple 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.800 Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Lettington, 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:06.720 an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.560 Well, hello, hello, Hello. 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.840 Hello Call It crew, and welcome to another episode of 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.959 Call It What It Is a very special one because 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:31.560 I'm I'm okay, I'm fan, we would your. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.960 Family woman, your fami lady, I'm fan coupling. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.360 Yes, got a thank you. 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.000 I mean we're shipping, we'repp. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.279 There's other voices in the room, Camilla, who are they? 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.360 Okay, we have what I hear I do, But we 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.640 have a we have a guy. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:54.480 We have in our midst, the very first Golden Bachelorette 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:56.480 and her pick of the season. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.720 I mean, don't talk. Don't ever say we didn't get 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:00.880 you any thing for the holidays. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.600 I know because your romance for the holidays. You guys, 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.320 they do so much for being with us today. We're 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.920 geeking out. When I told people that you guys were 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.319 coming on, I got like a lot of questions, a 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:14.840 lot of text and a lot of questions. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.840 Yeah, yes, they want to they really are they real? 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.640 People keep asking us that if you're really you guys 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.280 are really like if you were like, are really a 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:23.959 couple old? 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.679 Okay, so let's start there because I think it's a 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:30.360 good place to start. Sure, Okay, because I guess my 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:34.800 first question would be, did either of you take turns 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:40.319 answering watch reality television before going on to a reality 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:41.039 television show? 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.160 So you can answer that, because did you even watch 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:46.800 the Bachelorette or Bachelor ever? 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.400 No? And I told the producers beforehand, I said, I 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.720 haven't seen anything, and not any reality TV. Maybe Survivor 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.280 when it came out twenty five years It was a 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.720 good show years ago, so I have no idea. One 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.240 of the little jokes was there's a Golden Road was 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.520 in the Rose ceremony room? Yes, and it's in case. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:05.640 I had no idea what it was, what it was for. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.000 And Jones said at the end, just a couple of dies, 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:10.880 and she goes, that's what you get at the end. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.799 That's why you're here, that's what you want. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.680 Did you watch her okay, once you knew you were 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.560 coming on the show, did you watch her season? 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:25.080 No? I'm a reader and I don't even have cable TV, 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.000 and so I just read everything I could. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:33.200 And okay, you read everything about her about her. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.079 In about a little bit about the show and a 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:41.640 little bit about Gary, the other contestants, but it's just 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.520 going online. But then now we all know this, how 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:45.360 much of that's true? 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:51.320 Yes, yes, of that I wanted to do it. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.079 I could have gone on, you know, could have gone 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.440 and watched it, but I wanted it to just be fresh. 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:59.560 I was looking for something new, and you I'm seeing 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.239 from you not had watched reality television before and obviously 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.880 had been on another show. So I guess again going 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.799 back to like is it real when you were watching 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.600 as a as an audience member, were you believing what 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:14.239 you were seeing? 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:15.440 Yeah, I didn't. 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.160 Really doubt it. I mean, so it was all younger 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.760 seasons at the time, and yes, certainly the beginning ones 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.440 seemed more authentic then as they went along, And like 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.720 everybody has this notion that now that it's been on 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.040 for a bunch of years, a lot of people are 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.720 on their show because they want to be famous, they 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.160 want to be Instagram, you know, they want to be influencers. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.560 So like that's kind of a narrative that's going around. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.640 But the like original kind of. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.200 Bachelor, like Trista, like you know, in those earlier seasons 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.760 were really real, and so I believe still marry right, yeah, yeah, gosh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.560 There's two like teenage kids. They're so very like they 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.200 are like the iconic Bachelor couple. So I certainly believed it, 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.280 you know, going into it, that it could happen. And 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.720 I felt like our seasons, the Golden Bachelor and our season, 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.160 since they're so new, our way more kind of pure, 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.440 they haven't been like there hasn't been a different narrative yet. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.600 People aren't there to become famous. We're a little older, 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:18.320 we're not trying to be influencers and what. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:18.960 We're bagging into. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.320 Okay, so you believed that you could fall in love 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.760 on television as you went into this. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:24.479 I did. 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.400 I was I believe that it could happen. I wasn't 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.880 sure it could happen for me. So I went in 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.960 maybe a little skeptical, but hopeful because like I do, 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.240 believe in the process. So they do all this a 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.599 betting for you, and they kind of knew me. So 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.960 I was on Golden Bachelor first, So when I came 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.440 on this and the producers were starting to go through 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.320 the process of casting the guys, they knew me. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.159 So they kind of knew what I was. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.960 Interested in, knew what I would like, and so they 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.360 kind of bet them for you. So that whole like 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.040 initial part of your dating where you're just getting to 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.640 know each other, that part is kind of done for you. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.960 The timeline that looks really really short, well you've skipped 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.599 a good month or two that you. 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:06.360 Don't have to worry about. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.120 It's already all those you know, danger red flag things 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.760 are kind of sports cars. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:12.400 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:17.359 We will previously reference by dates and sports cars, sports 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:18.440 cars and not and we're. 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:18.880 Not into that. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.320 Do you feel like the show ever, because sometimes I 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.520 watch the show and I'm like, it's so obvious to 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.800 me that that's not going to be the right person. 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.599 Was there anyone in your group that you felt like 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.120 was a plant for drama? 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:43.920 Yes, for drama, though for drama a pod be talking 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.240 about because. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:53.719 You're like, I just felt like a little too smooth, 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.159 I got a little too like maybe the shows you 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.960 want the show to be more about you, And I'm 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.520 I'm not sure that that's a controversial thing to say, 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.320 because people initially had Maybe you felt like he didn't 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:07.440 pass the small tests. 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.400 How you say it, like, yeah, so there's a lot 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:10.720 of that. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.279 So I do agree with what you're saying now, but 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.640 as I was going through the process. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.719 Or was it editing, you can tell me like editing, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.200 like sort of sitting it that way. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.360 I feel like it was pretty accurate. They add for him, 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:23.720 not for everybody, but for him, I felt like. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:24.760 Edit was good. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.800 I don't see anything that happens in the mansion. I 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.320 am not living there, so I don't so all like 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.640 the kind of funny stuff that he did talking about 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.040 all his designer stuff and not helping in the kitchen 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:37.720 and not doing his own laundry and all that stuff 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:38.360 that like. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.080 Probably would have been red flags for me. I didn't 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:41.599 see any of that. 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.479 So, like my interactions with him were like way different 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.240 than what you So the Pascal that I got to 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:49.960 know was not what the rest of the world was 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:51.760 getting to know. Like he was just one on one 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.479 with me, talked about his son and raising him and 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.599 talking about you know, kind of growing up in you know, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.000 crappy conditions and not having a very loving family and 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.960 him just coming to maryor not speaking English. So like 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:03.880 a lot of the narrative I got from him was 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.880 very different because I didn't have all that other external 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.479 stuff about how he acted in the house and you 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.760 know all that stuff. I didn't know about it. So 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.080 when I then watched the season, I was like, oh, 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.120 a different person, Like he made it really far for 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.360 me without me knowing so much about them. 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:21.840 But this happens on the show. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.080 This is one of the things that is kind of fascinating. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.440 Did you feel like you had a good instinct on 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:27.360 the guys in the house? 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:29.040 Absolutely? 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.280 How like du clock. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.080 It the first night and the next morning you got 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:36.080 to read on all of them. 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:37.880 Absolutely, and I'm pretty good. 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.600 I'm looking at his eyes and I believe. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:42.800 One of the things that came up. But again I 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:43.400 can ramble. 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.560 But dishwasher didn't work, okay. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.720 And there's a reason it didn't work because it brings 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.280 you around the kitchen and it brings around the guy. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.600 So some guys would cook, some guys would clean those 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:54.600 you know, do the dishes. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:55.960 Oh you're saying on purpose? 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:01.800 Yeah, absolutely, And they go, well, that's not going to work, 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.679 And I go, I'll pay for a new one, yeah, 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.560 and they go no. But you know, I think it 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.760 was smart to do it because I did them. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.679 Okay. 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.560 He was part of the community, the community, George, and 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:16.680 it's been broken forever. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.840 It was broken in Gilden the batter season, and there's 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.560 been two other seasons that's no, no, no. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.840 So you felt like even just from a dynamic of 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:29.360 that in the kitchen in the morning, you could tell 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:30.720 who was by launch. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.280 Absolutely, it's very true. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.400 Did you know who your real competition was? 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.080 You know? It varied is the season went alone and 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.880 the filming did. I was the guy that I was 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.360 probably the most concerned about was Mark because he's such 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.160 a good man. Mark Anderson is just a solid guy. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.680 He's in there doing dishes, he was cooking. He was 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.199 just a polite guy. And you sit there and you go, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.440 you know, if it was my sister, you know, and 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.680 if he was my brother in law. I love the guy. Yeah, 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.160 a little soft spoken, but he's a he's a good man. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.280 And there was other guys. But he had come back 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.040 from a date with Joan and they went on the 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.920 shot and we go bring back the fish because I 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.120 love to Yeah, that's kind of thing I want to 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.120 do is butcher fish and do all this. And he 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:12.720 came back and he was just glowing. He goes, I 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.520 just had the most fabulous date and he goes, it 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.480 was great. We played these games and I'm sitting there 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.120 going that that's that might be the guy. And then guys, 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:22.840 you know, I thought guy Guy's got a lot to 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.000 bring to the table. The guy Guy. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I. 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.400 You know, the whole time, he goes, Chuck, it's going 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.160 to be you and me the final two and uh, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.480 you know that was his opinion, and I Joan had 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:37.680 kind of given me some hints. 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.040 It's interesting you were saying this right now because the 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.080 people that we've spoken to felt early that it was 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.120 you and that guy was not really. 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.920 In the in the running like it was. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.559 Yes, it was like very clear. 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.440 There was a spark that like was not there for 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:54.199 other people. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.360 It was over. It was over at Disneyland. That's what 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.640 It was the most magical place in the world. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.200 So that is true. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.720 I mean, we had an immediate spark and immunia attraction, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.480 and we got along so well to the point where 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.839 we were walking around Disneyland and we had a huge 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.320 film crew because since it was Disney and you know, 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.800 the network is not by Disney, they had like a 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.960 lot of people they are with us, and you know, 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.800 after the first maybe thirty minutes, they go, well, you know, 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:24.559 you know, you should be looking at like some of 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.720 the sights at Disney and making comments about that because 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.000 we were just having a great conversation. We were just 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.360 like immediately we hit it off. But I knew I 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.240 had since I've watched the show and I see a 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.080 lot of times people hone in on a person right away. 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.120 They're like, this is my God, yes, and then sometime 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.080 within the season, in the first three or four weeks, 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.600 they discovered that they're a different person, and then they're 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.280 really behind because they really haven't given real time to 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:50.960 other people. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:52.640 So I was. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.560 Very conscious of that, and I said, I am not 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.040 going to hone in on somebody right away, even though 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.680 like I felt like this was going to be good. 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.760 I felt like when I went on dates with other people, 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.560 I needed to, you know, actually put the work into 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.880 it that they could possibly be the person, because I 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.520 didn't want to go and get to week four. 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:10.000 It's just not long enough. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.480 If you get to week four and you haven't established 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.840 you know, a relationship, a bond, a connection, it's too late. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.960 So I was like, I was trying to establish other connections. 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.959 Because you had watched it and you did believe that 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:24.440 that you could fall in love you. 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.800 Actually I'm hearing you say that. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.280 There was also kind of like a strategy, not strategy 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.920 in a bad way, strategy like this is because you 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.040 said something else where. I was like, oh my gosh, 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.240 on some level, whoever's in the house going on the date, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:39.800 it's like there's a competition. 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.360 Yeah, I mean, and they didn't show that. They did 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.679 not show the competition, but it was, you know, from 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.720 what I understood, it was we all got along great. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.240 There really wasn't a lot of competition. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.800 There wasn't which is not normal. 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.800 Correct from the ladies in your season even we're a 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.520 little like hard. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.960 Yes, So that was surprising. So in the beginning, everybody's 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.959 really cordial and you're getting to know each other and 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:06.760 there is like a whole element of it, like you 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.240 found your tribe. So you have been at this weird 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:11.920 place in life in your sixties or you know some 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.320 of the people from the Golden Bachelor season more than 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.800 the seventies even, and you walk into a room and 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.760 finally you're with people who's being in your sixties and 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.960 seventies and being single is a weird place to be 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.360 because everybody you know is a couple. Everybody at that 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.400 age is a couple, and there's very few peers that 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.560 people understand that. Like, so you go out with your 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.520 girlfriends and they all go home to their husbands, and 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.839 you go home to an empty house, and everybody goes 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:37.640 on a couple of vacations and they don't invite you, 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.000 And when you go to all wedding, you are the 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.479 night those vacations. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.719 If you were, then just say I feel like I 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:45.920 bust in on those vacations. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.560 Yeah, I would be, but by the way, I feel 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.440 like this is a feeling that people have. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.680 I know, I'm offering your languages. True, you know a 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:55.160 lot of majors. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.319 You're right here, Yeah, but particularly being you know, at 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.640 this age, because it's very hard to fix it. It's 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.559 very hard to find. The dating at this age is 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.720 not easy. They're the pool of people small, especially if 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.640 you want to stay in your area, which is easier. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.400 So you walk into this mansion and there you are, 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.440 like I was, there were twenty other one people that 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.200 got it, like they were my peers. They ask the 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.960 people that I could finally, like, you know, they were 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.240 friends that understood where I was in life. So you 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.880 have this immediate bond. But then it starts to unravel 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.600 a little bit and the. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:30.760 Main comes in. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.920 So Gary comes in and some people are really interested 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:38.720 in them, and that's when the competition starts other of us. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.800 And I have the feeling that I would never want 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.840 him or anyone to pick me as like like the 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.640 runner upper, like they like by default because they just 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.560 didn't have any more time. I want, like I wanted 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.160 him to explore everybody in that house. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:53.680 I want you to go. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.400 I don't want to do it with every single one 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.640 of them before me. Yeah, if you find somebody great, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.240 it's not me. I would never want somebody to pick 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.200 me because you know they hadn't you know, they had 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:04.080 a question in their mind. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:05.920 So but other people don't. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.200 People don't always think that way, Like if I put 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:13.559 in enough time all make her love me. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:15.480 And it really doesn't. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.240 Yeah, that's what I mean the competition part of it, 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:23.680 because ultimately there's a prize, right and someone wins. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.480 You go in with any strategy. 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.840 I didn't know what I was doing, so I feel 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:31.800 do you feel like a winner? 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:32.000 Now? 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:32.960 Absolutely? 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.280 Someone knows strategy who won? 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.000 And I went back and looked at the contract and 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.960 the contract list you as a contestant so it at 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.720 you're not a cast member, you're a contestant. Yes, And 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.040 but the guys were so polite, so professional, so friendly, 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.200 we didn't look at it. We wanted the right person 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.280 to be with Joan. There were a couple of guys 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.400 that really did care about Joan. And that's tough because 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.440 I'm friends with them. But that's life. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.080 Are you still friends with them now or is it different? 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.720 Okay, guy, and we talked. I talked to absolutely. 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:06.480 Yeah. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.960 A lot of the guys, got five of them meeting 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.160 me in Kansas City for a Chiefs game on Sunday. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:21.840 Stopping going to be there. 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:38.480 It's over this week, okay, the dates? 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.920 And I was thinking about you guys walking around Disneyland. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.920 And I, I mean, as actors were very versed in 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.560 doing things and pretending like a camera is not there. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.240 Did you get to the point where you could pretend 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:53.280 a camera was not there? 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.680 Or were you at your first season? 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.320 I mean, you're you're a little bit more seasoned in it, 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.240 but for you, it's there's show. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.120 The producers and I don't know the exact term, they 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.200 did such a good job the interviews. You can't even 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.200 tell there's a TV when they told me I was 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:08.800 going to be on the show, and there was a 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.640 letter that came out and says, you're not You know 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.000 you're not a finalist. You can't say you are, that's 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:14.720 one thing. But so I flew out to La and 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.960 I thought they'd do some screen testing and I'd never 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.040 been behind a camp or in front of a camera. 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.040 H You never had no idea, but they do a 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.680 fantastic job with it, and then you just kind of 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:24.560 you just go. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.520 With if you feel intimate. I mean, because we're we 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.720 can forget the cameras and our scenes, but if a 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.400 camera was on me and my husband, it would be 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.640 so hard to have these intimate conversations, let alone kiss 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.160 and really be in the moment. Does it take a 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.480 second to get used to that? Or the cameras so 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.160 far away that you don't. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.840 Really even if it was close, It didn't bother me 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.440 at all. You had to kiss at Bora Bora, And 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.120 it was one of those ones because they go, you know, 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.320 when you think about someone else, and I said, they're 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.160 a woman in the world. To kiss a guy like that, 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.400 that's thinking about someone else with. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.800 Someone telling you one thing, like you were getting fed 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:01.080 and information about. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.760 There's a little bit of reality because guy was still 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.960 I didn't know that Joan, you know, had had told 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:08.200 that the guy. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.439 So you're like, I gotta I gotta win this, I 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:13.040 gotta seal. 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:14.480 But then you. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:16.720 And then he felt good. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:18.520 Yeah, is there a moment where you can say to 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.840 the camera, is like, no, no, no. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:23.399 Only in fantasy suite. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.560 So that's the whole thing about fantasy suits that you 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.000 are never not on camera, even if there isn't a 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:29.960 camera in your face, it's in the ceiling, there's a 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:30.600 camera there. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.440 You are always, always, always mean for the fantasy suite. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.959 Ye, except for the fantasy suites, which is why like, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.359 if the fantasy suite is important, so on. You know, 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.239 most seasons or very few bauchery of baucherettes have not 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.240 done fantasy suites. Effect, I don't think any have not 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:49.240 done it. And and I felt really weird about fantasy suites. 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.520 First of all, I have a thing with p DA. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:57.280 We could talk hours, like, don't touch me, we're in 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:09.480 publicly kiss her hotel? 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.679 Yeah, I listen, I think. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.320 A little keep things a little spicy and juicy. 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.080 Yeah, you chance for spicy, sexy juicy. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.959