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Speaker 1: It's books, it's gossip. I'm shook.

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Speaker 2: It's memoir, It's Martini. Celebrity poof Club. Read it while

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Speaker 2: it's hot. Celebrity poop Club. I'll tell your secrets.

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Speaker 1: We won't talk celebrity books. No boys are a loud

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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday, Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: That's happy Wednesday to our listeners exactly.

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Speaker 2: Let us all celebrate Wednesday. It is hot as hell

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Speaker 2: in New York City right now.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that ninety degrees or something like that.

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Speaker 2: The city was smelling like fresh manure.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I noticed that today in my beautiful neighborhood of Riduate,

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Speaker 1: it was smelling like garbage truck full of fish just

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Speaker 2: Okay, because yeah, in my neighborhood it was super fishy.

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Speaker 2: Something's going in. It was like fish everywhere in the

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Speaker 2: outer borrows, and then in Central Manhattan where we record,

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Speaker 2: it was like, you know, because we're near Central Park,

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's like not enough wind or there's too much

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Speaker 1: this beautiful area, Yeah, I'm not being steeped with manure.

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Speaker 2: And have we talked about where we stand? Maybe we

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Speaker 2: did years ago on this pod. Where we stand?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we revisit this issue for you

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Speaker 2: We should, because it's you know, ideas change, politics change.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I was working for to Blasio, he

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Speaker 2: Was kind of like his whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, politicians always say a lot and.

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Speaker 2: Then they're going to do this, They're going to do that.

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Speaker 2: I would never and I think this was maybe my

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Speaker 1: You don't want to put like these immigrant drivers out

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Speaker 1: And it's like Segway tours. Yeah, I don't know. New

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Speaker 2: It's romantic segment chores, but they're giving you blankets.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the carriages though, is it's like

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Speaker 1: The horses seem sad. At the same time, there's what

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Speaker 2: We're talking about, honestly, none other than.

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Speaker 2: The Queen of gay guys.

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Speaker 1: We're speaking about none other than Madonna, the Queen.

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Speaker 1: I obviously had The Immaculate Album on compact disc and

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Speaker 2: And then I think you burned me the Immaculate Collection. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm burning you, modest mouse, you're burning me the Immaculate Collection.

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Speaker 2: I want you to see my people. Oh and by

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Speaker 1: Not other the English Roses, but Madonna Children's her first

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Speaker 2: I like just get Alba has a children's books, I.

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Speaker 2: I mean she never stops trailblazing.

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Speaker 1: No, it's like people want to talk shit about her,

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Speaker 2: Wants you wanna be her.

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Speaker 1: And so this was right after American Life, which is

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Speaker 2: Come up with a better line. Also shocking. I feel

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Speaker 1: There's something crazy about her music, and it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: And yet there is clearly something biological in Madonna's music,

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Speaker 2: Say, classic Madonna humor, hilarious.

437
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: Madonna humor, but also just being like, hey, listen kid,

438
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 1: it's a little bit like Italian.

439
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: Yes, listen kid, Okay, yes, it's a very god She

440
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: has big cheeks.

441
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like, you know, the archetype of

442
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: the godmother is fat, and that sort of fatness conveying truth,

443
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 1: truth and wisdom and kind of a lack of superficiality.

444
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: She doesn't care what she looks like. She's bent at all.

445
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: She doesn't need to be thin anymore.

446
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: Because it's like Madonna's transition of like when she was

447
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: so like punk and crosses and lace, was so like

448
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: I got how low Cabby New York accent? Yeah, and

449
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: then now she's like British.

450
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's British and has pursued a life of thinness

451
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: and plastic surgery.

452
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: Like buffness and like sleeps in a cocoon of moisturizer.

453
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's also when we saw her in concert,

454
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: her muscles were so ripped.

455
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that was the peak of her like

456
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: reveal of her crazy arms, which was the American life

457
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 2: was like I do hot yoga. Yeah, my arms are.

458
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: Insane, bulging blood vessels.

459
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Speaker 2: Also the idea of like girls having this because you

460
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 2: don't really know how old these girls are. I guess

461
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: they look like thirteen.

462
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like there's still prevvesment though they're having

463
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: pillow fight.

464
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: Right over this picnic.

465
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Speaker 1: You're like, wo, how are they having an un supervised

466
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean the girls are different, Lily.

467
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I was getting solo pizza my best

468
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: friend Meredith, age eleven.

469
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was like your version of a picnic.

470
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: We just didn't live in a city like London that

471
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: is replete with beautiful parks.

472
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean the Harvard Commons we could have, but we're

473
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: more like city tricks. You're getting slice we would getting slices. Kid.

474
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were like, I need that green stuff. I

475
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: want to be surrounded by soot.

476
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: Ash and photos cigarette ben Affleck. By the way, our

477
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: Boston show is Thursday, October fifth at Brighton Music Hall.

478
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: So this fairy godmother visits them and she goes, do

479
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: you guys want to like time travel with me? And

480
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: they're like sure, I guess.

481
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: I love this scene because she's like, oh, do you

482
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: want to be someone else? Like you're always talking about

483
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: being I want't want to be here And they're like,

484
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Speaker 1: I guess. We were like, why don't we go look

485
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: at her quickly? And then the girls were kind of like,

486
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I do want to like see

487
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: what her life is like. They're interesting spine. There is

488
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: like some very honest, like bitchy girl psyche that she

489
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: gets into, which I feel like is so different than

490
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: a lot of the other children's book we've like they're

491
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: not getting into the actual psychology of the main characters,

492
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: like other than the fact that like they're nervous to

493
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: perform a show or whatever.

494
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: This to me, I'll just say the characters and this

495
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 2: is why I think she did invent the celebrity children's book,

496
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: Like Amy, Grace and Charlotte are like so much more real, yeah,

497
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: and have personalities rather than just like fucking Elizabeth Warren's

498
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: like stem girl. That was just like I want to

499
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: do a science project, but I'm nervous.

500
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: So the fairy godmother who offers them this sort of

501
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: opportunity to go spy, has given them this potential and

502
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: then the girls go, They're like whispering and tell me

503
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: what to do. They decided that even though the fairy

504
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: took their cookies without asking, she seemed rather harmless and anyway,

505
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: they couldn't turn on the chance to spy on Beanu

506
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: without her knowing they were there like fabs. They were like, okay, absolutely.

507
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: Yes, we're spying. So cut to them. They're secretly in

508
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: Bena's kitchen. I'll read a passage or what many are

509
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: calling a page. Suddenly they found themselves sitting around Bena's

510
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: kitchen table, and there, on her hands and knees was

511
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: Beina scrubbing the floor. Sweat was dripping from her forehead,

512
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: and she looked very tired. All at once, her father

513
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: came to the room and said, it's getting late, Bena.

514
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: When you finished scrubbing the floor, I think you should

515
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: start cooking dinner. I'm going outside to fix the car.

516
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: Bena smiled and said, okay, Papa. Then he was gone,

517
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 2: and then it's like this montage of her like scaling

518
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 2: fish and chopping potatoes, ironing clothes, peeling potatoes, and like

519
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: the Sex and the City girls are like so in

520
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: shock that they're like, wait, this girl's Extenderella. She's like

521
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: a full like servant, Like that's so sad. And then

522
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: but the illustration of the dad like telling her what

523
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: to do was like this hot indie dad.

524
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: I will say, I don't think it's meant to be mean.

525
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: The eyebrows are raised in a way that's like endearing,

526
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: and his face looks like open and kind of smiling.

527
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

528
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: And then of course the reveal as Nicole goes where

529
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: is her mother? She doesn't have a mother, replied the

530
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: fairy godmother. She lives alone with the father and he

531
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: works all day so when she comes home from school,

532
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: she has to clean the house and wash the clothes.

533
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: So of course it's single dad, which is like the

534
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: classic sitcom trope of like.

535
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: A dad has three daughters.

536
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: Dad has a daughter, and it's like, you know, I

537
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: think there's like you've been studies shown that's like, you know,

538
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: the overrepresentation in media of single fathers versus single mothers

539
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: because it's such a like wish fulfillment fantasy of the

540
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: single father because you don't have the like competition for

541
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: the daddy's attention like for the daughter.

542
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: So it's just like no, it's all daddy.

543
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: It's all daddy daughter times.

544
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: And people like are so horny for like men being

545
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: good fathers. Example, my girlfriend used to watch this eagle

546
00:26:54,400 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: cam of these two eagles in like Big Bear or whatever. No,

547
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 2: so it was a couple. Jackie was the female eagle

548
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: and Shadow was her boyfriend, and they were trying to

549
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: have baby Eaglitz, and the comments were so crazy, like

550
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: in horny for Shadow. They were like, damn, I wish

551
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: my husband was more like Shadow, Like look at what

552
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: fish he brought her today, Like if only I could

553
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: have a shadow in my life.

554
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: So they're just like a very kind of trad like well.

555
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: I think of just saying like projecting just like this eagle,

556
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: that's just like doing dad eagle stuff. And people are

557
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: you know, just horny for this good father character.

558
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they're in that sense. They're also like

559
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: horny for the provider and like and the guy who

560
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: can make the nest right.

561
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: No, the handy and they're like, my husband's so lazy,

562
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: we all need a shadow.

563
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: And you know in these days, you know, the man

564
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: comes home and all he does is.

565
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: Play video games, and this dad is fixing the car.

566
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: But I just want to say that the dad is

567
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: like styled like in a little more like hip dad way.

568
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I think also the lack of mom, it

569
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: kind of removes the archetype of the crone that you

570
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: fear becoming and like now that's not there, and so

571
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: now the girl can stay like the youngest girl, the

572
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: freshest girl, like forever. It kind of like preserves your

573
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: youth a little bit more.

574
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: But then it makes these other girls realize that they

575
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: love their mom. Yeah, who like is a nag, but

576
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: is like letting them have somebody like completely insane pillow

577
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: fights and she is like hashtig col bomb.

578
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: No, and she's kind of like and she's bringing them

579
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: like buttered onions.

580
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like, I don't even have to make my

581
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: buttered onions. My mom does. And they're like damn wait,

582
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: so like benas out of here, like cooking bass for

583
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: her dad scaling a.

584
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: Fish and she's like so in this just like Bulgarian stuttle.

585
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: So basically they feel bad for her and they're like, shit,

586
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: let's like invite her to hang. Turns out they get along.

587
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: Amazingly, amazingly they're all like really thin Bradstalls. And then

588
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: like all British.

589
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: I love their like insane mod dresses they're always wearing.

590
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: They're being so sixties and Austin powers and one of

591
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: them is always wearing like a full British flag mini dress.

592
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Well. I also love the scene where they look at

593
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: the rest of her house and she's poor because her

594
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: bedroom only has one doll, and they have like such

595
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: insane doll they're basically you, and like Beina just has

596
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: this one like raggedy ass doll, and her headboard isn't

597
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: like so tufted.

598
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: Like so like girl peebead teen tufted.

599
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: She still has like wallpaper.

600
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I was like, Karuma is actually

601
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: like has stuff.

602
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: But I think it's kind of in an old fuddy

603
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: duddy like Grandma aunt, not in such a new way.

604
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: And there is a drawing of the queen at like

605
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: one of their houses, and then the fairy godmother has

606
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: a snatched waist in like one of these drawings, so

607
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: it's a little bit no.

608
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: The fairy grandmother has like big naturals and like a

609
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: boodonk and like actually she can get it, like she

610
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: is hot.

611
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Bana has a lot of books.

612
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: Her room is actually kind of like stunned.

613
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: Those could be like you know, so from the like

614
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: take a book, leave a book, like local library.

615
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: And book bethnal been right. And then when you see

616
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: the Sex and the City girls, they each have a

617
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: doll with them and they're all in one bed and

618
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: it has like this gorgeous kind of bay window.

619
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Speaker 1: I think the ultimate lesson of this book. So what's interesting.

620
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: So the end of the book, one of the last pages,

621
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: time went by, and soon everywhere the English roses went

622
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: being I went with them, so she's kind of an

623
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: honorary rose now.

624
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: Well, I think. And then they just called them the

625
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: English Roses, not the four English.

626
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: And it goes and you're not going to believe this.

627
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: This is the narrator talking. But people in the neighborhood

628
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: started talking about them, and this is what they said.

629
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: Those English Roses are really special. What beautiful girls bell

630
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: grow up to be incredible women one day, which proves

631
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: my point that people see by association, not by contrast.

632
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: They were worried that her beauty was making them look

633
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: not beautiful, but actually when they're all together all they're

634
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: more beautiful. They're more beautiful. Everyone's like, wait, look at

635
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: that hot like squad of five chicos.

636
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: That's why we start this podcast ultimately, is because when

637
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: we walk down the street, people are like, they're taken, yes,

638
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: by our beauty.

639
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: You know. And I've always said this, it's like because

640
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: I think there's this classic idea, like people are so

641
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: competitive and insecure about like their looks, and so like.

642
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, the classic oh you know, don't upstage

643
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: the bride.

644
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: Right exactly. But it's like, if you look fucking stunning,

645
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: then the bride looks even more stunny.

646
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: And if you make your bridesmaids wear like weird dresses, yeah,

647
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: then you're gonna look uglier and people are gonna question

648
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: your decision.

649
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: And you know, because the essential thing is that I

650
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: think the eye views things like it almost takes an

651
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: average you know, you look at a group of people

652
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: and that I kind of just like creates a median

653
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: out of what you're looking at. So rising tide lifts all.

654
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: Boats, Rising tide lifts all.

655
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's possible that the girls maybe brought benas

656
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: attracting this quotion down a little bit, but you know,

657
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: now she has friends, so she's okay.

658
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: Also, this is kind of we're getting into fan fiction

659
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: of the Four English Roses. No doubt the Four Roses

660
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: don't have an original group chat called the OG Four

661
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 2: Roses where they still talk shit about Bina.

662
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm a hundred person. No, the OG Roses absolutely continue

663
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: to talk share and they're just being like, wait, are

664
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: we all going to that launch at like the Queen's

665
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: Library tomorrow. They're just like, I don't know, Beana probably

666
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: has a cleaner dad's fish and they're like, we'll just

667
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: like not tell her about.

668
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: It, and like I just want to go and like

669
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: have it just be like OG like OG hour.

670
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: They're like planning and they're like, okay, so we're having

671
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: this big birthday party, but I want to do just

672
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: like og T before like or are they just.

673
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: Being like first I want to do a tea thing

674
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: and then I think, let's like all do like a

675
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: shopping spree and then maybe we'll all go to the

676
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: Welsh country side and they're like, so are we like

677
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: covering Bina or like what's the deal.

678
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: And then like Bina is like trying to decide when

679
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: she's getting married who her like what's it called Ma's

680
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: going to be? And she like is she choosing like

681
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: the mod girl from the English Roses or is she

682
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: choosing like weirdly her best friend when she was four

683
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: who moved.

684
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 2: Away right, And they're like, whoa, so I didn't know you,

685
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: like I had any other friends and they're like, no,

686
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: like Pimsley, we went to grade school together and like

687
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: we actually knew each other and like we've come into

688
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: contact later and we're good contacts now. They also she

689
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: teaches them the four English Roses like help her out

690
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: with her chores, and then she teaches them how to bake.

691
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just full like trad right now they

692
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: know how to make like onion fish for their future husbands,

693
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: whichever girl needs to know onion fish. So I think

694
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: there's also this self consciousness about her raising incredibly rich

695
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: kids and Madonna writing this book just being like, you know,

696
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: I want my kids to be good people and accepting

697
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: and not just be like the most insane snobs. Right.

698
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, celebrity parents are always so

699
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: afraid because they're always like, I didn't grow up with anything,

700
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: and to say that, and my kids they've grown up

701
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: with everything, but I don't. They have to work summers.

702
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: And it's so Barbara Corkoran making her daughter like.

703
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: Have a lemonade stand in the Hamptons or whatever, and

704
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: people are always being like, actually, my kids are not

705
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: in my will.

706
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you notice at the end that the proceeds

707
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: of this book will be donated to the Spirituality for

708
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: Kids Foundation.

709
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: I didn't see. They're like, yeah, no, no, that's definitely

710
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: what's supporting.

711
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So I think it's kind of interesting how her

712
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: kids turn out. And this is where we can maybe

713
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: reveal some tea without really revealing to you.

714
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

715
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: So Raco is her kid with guy Ritchie. I've heard

716
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: he's a real stand up guy.

717
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: Really.

718
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, our friend who was recently at an event

719
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: for Madonna was saying that he was super chill.

720
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: Which is funny because it's like you could think, oh, look,

721
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: maybe he turned to like a brat because he's the

722
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 2: one with like both celebrity parents.

723
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then also my friend to him dating was

724
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: once backstage with rock our Babies all right, and also

725
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: said that he was really chill.

726
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: And we've heard that her first daughter with the trainer

727
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: lordis Lordis.

728
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: She's a party girl. She's definitely well like is.

729
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: A party girl. But I feel like she's really like

730
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: remained very cool in this way where like she went

731
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: to like University of Michigan. She is out and about

732
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: just enough, yeah, but like really not so much.

733
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: She's a legitimate, like downtown girl, and she's definitely downtown

734
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean downtown things in the bathroom, if you know

735
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. I have seen her Fensta, I will say,

736
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: and it's oh right, it's very like just looking like

737
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: a normal insta like it's not being so.

738
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: Revealing, but it's not being like blurry bag of something.

739
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: No, it's not being a blurry bag of girl. It's

740
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: more just being like, my new track is dropping and

741
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: you're kind of like this could have gone on Maine.

742
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: And then it also is it's like kind of just

743
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: looks the same as her main because she has this

744
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: mut her career that's pretty fake.

745
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was listening to it on the way here,

746
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: and I was definitely kind of like a little bit

747
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: into it, but I want to be more into it.

748
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: It's very like music for girls doing lines in their bedroom,

749
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of naught. It's kind of a very

750
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: naughty like Charlie and like Billie Eilish, but like without

751
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: the Billie Eilish.

752
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: Like backing production or something a.

753
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: Without the Billie Eilish pipes like b without the Billie

754
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: Eilish like softness and vulnerability. It's kind of just like,

755
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: here's kind of a you know, a hip beat where

756
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's like a breakbeat that's kind of

757
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: like coming in and out, and there's like a.

758
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: Lot of I've just found I feel like, Lord, her

759
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: level of kind of being in the eye very cool

760
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 2: in this way.

761
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: I agree because she's no you know what's her name.

762
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: She's not an early Mary Kate, she's not a.

763
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: Parent, she's not an l. M. Hoff who's just been

764
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: every fashion Yeah, I'm doing a Vogue interview about the

765
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: fact that I went to a fashion show.

766
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: Her vibe was a little like she walked so Malia

767
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: and Sasha could run.

768
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: Oh and run. In terms of like being cool, but

769
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: not so in the eye. Yeah, we're calling.

770
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah the British high.

771
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: Where smoking cigarettes and being like I'm interning for like

772
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi's daughter, who's like making a documentary.

773
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: Obviously, Mali are being a little more like documentary and

774
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi and lord, this is much more like finst

775
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: to break beats.

776
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think, but like you know what I'm saying.

777
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: I think she was a little mood bored for them.

778
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, they're like, is it possible to just kind

779
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 1: of admit that you are like the insanely famous daughter

780
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: of the most famous person ever and like be so

781
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: rich but like still have funny being particle, but not

782
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: be so using it so much.

783
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: Right, and not be like sad. We're like whatever, you're

784
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: like following over drunk.

785
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: Like yeah, she a, she's not, like, you know, being

786
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: in the tablots too much. B She's not saying yes

787
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: to like every random like paper magazine interview. No.

788
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: And so this also made me wonder about's kind of

789
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: early her nineties friendships. I feel like we're so strong

790
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: ROSI O'donnald Sandra Bernhard, my favorite actress who's married to

791
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: that Tuscan guy. The Tuscan Gun, Debbie Mays, these downtown

792
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: Italian Jewish sassy and I feel like they were all

793
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: so tight, and then I think she just did rise

794
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: and got probably just too celebrity.

795
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: To part of it's the fame, And I think all

796
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: those women like.

797
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: I've got Rosie didn't also go through some.

798
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure Rosie's like had some friendship severances as well.

799
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: Like I think Sandra and Debbie, like those women are

800
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: just kind of like they've kind of stayed the way

801
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: they are. I haven't like continued to like build their

802
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: insane empire, and Madonna like has really focused on doing that.

803
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: But you know, there is this weird thing. It's like

804
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: from multiple people we know who've like been to weird events,

805
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: like with her in her celebration, there's this kind of

806
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: like queen energy. There's a queen energy. Everyone acts like

807
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: they're in the court and they have to kind of

808
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: like entertain her a bit. But it's almost everyone else

809
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: who's been weird and not Madonna who's been weird, and

810
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: it must be kind of sad for her. No.

811
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: I think that's what it's like to feel royal. Yeah,

812
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: as talked about in the film Red white and Blue,

813
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: which right, which in the VIP lounge. It's just like

814
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: if you're a prince, queen and Madonna, Bill Clinton, you

815
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: know the famous viral video that just happened.

816
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: He Roberts is like running out of a bookstore that Yeah.

817
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: And he came into the bookstore with like thirty secret service.

818
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: It's just like you can't lead a normal life. And

819
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: so it's like, I'm sure Madonna actually would love for

820
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: everyone to just like breathe for a minute and not

821
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: all be like, oh my god, I'm at Madonna's castle

822
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: right now, like let me entertain her. And everyone's like tense.

823
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: But it's like there's no way to get out of

824
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: that trap when you want that level of queendom.

825
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like the way to get the

826
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: trap is to like stick with the ones you came

827
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: in with and have this circle of people who've always

828
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: been there. And so I feel like maybe that circle

829
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: is not so much there anymore part of it.

830
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: No, I don't think. I think she's probably still friends

831
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: with Debbie Mazar, but like not so much.

832
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

833
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: Like Debbie Maso was like in Tuscany, like picking olives

834
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: with her sexy husband and like maybe Madonna's like, you

835
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: guys should come over, and she's like, oh, like Lorenzo

836
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: is like scaling a fish.

837
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: But then it's like, what is Madonna's gonna come over

838
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: with her entourage? Debbie Mazar is like Villa and then

839
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: just be like Debbie, like what do you think of this?

840
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, like new like Queer Dancer that

841
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: at that time like hiring to like do this video.

842
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: And Debbie would be like, I don't know.

843
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: And Debbie's like, what did you think of the latest

844
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: season of Younger?

845
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

846
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: And Madonna's like, oh, I will watch it on a plane.

847
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh I can't wait. I'm so proud of you

848
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: and the world you're creating.

849
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: It's hilarious. It's hilarious.

850
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: It says like I don't I just don't think they're

851
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: not connecting over the work.

852
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: Anymore, you know, no of that downtown New York.

853
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, even though Madonna's still trying to be so youthful

854
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: and so down.

855
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: Town kind of at this point, like she is, but she's.

856
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: I mean, she's trying to around herself like the hottest

857
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: people that she's heard of who are getting invited into

858
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: her circle.

859
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: But you're still it's like she's not going to the

860
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: club because she just like can't anymore.

861
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: She was at that thing at it was at Boom

862
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: Boom and it was like so packed and she's like

863
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: walking on the bar and everyone's it's so much Donna,

864
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: like she's so crazy and punk for like walking in

865
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: the bar while she's like doing pop it on Preacher whatever.

866
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: But it was just like, I know, there's seven hundred

867
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: gates and like a space, you know, all with their

868
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: phones now and it was like literally like such a

869
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: fire hazard suffocation, like scary.

870
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: No, and no one's taking in. I feel like every

871
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: episode now we're just like no one's taking in the moment.

872
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: Put on the phone, the phone so we can all

873
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: watch cause you know, you know when Debbie Mays are

874
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: going downtown Milan or whatever and she walks on the bar.

875
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, she walks on the bar. It's not a cavalcade

876
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: of phones, you know.

877
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: No, And I really wanted to go to her husband

878
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: have like a tasting table in Park Slope, but they

879
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: closed it down where it was like six people can

880
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: come a night.

881
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: So he's so the Michelin star chef that Naya falls

882
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: for in the Sex and the City finale, which we'll

883
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: be talking about on the.

884
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: VIP lounge exactly where it is like nine people can come.

885
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: It's just like counter surface hearth.

886
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm getting hungry, Okay.

887
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: Favorite Madonna's song Goo.

888
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: My favorite Madonna song is actually Nothing Matters, which is

889
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: a song from American Life, and it has this like

890
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: really stunning, kind of haunting religious chorus wow to it,

891
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: and it just it gets me every time. I also

892
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: love Ecstatic Process, which is like an acoustic guitarsen from

893
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: that same album.

894
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: M So it's really American Life focus for you, and.

895
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: Of course what it feels like for a girl will

896
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: always be one of my favorite songs. A gay anthem,

897
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: if there ever was one, you.

898
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: Know, it's tree because you are so kind of I

899
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: would say, like, you are not a vintage gay. You

900
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: are gay of what is happening when you hear it,

901
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: and I.

902
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: Think I'm gay of what is happening to use.

903
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: My new catchphrase, like American Life coming out, oh four,

904
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: as you were coming out discovering your sexuality, like you're

905
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: not like obviously gas couldn't vote comes on you the.

906
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: Word, but not just like oh, I mean obviously I

907
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: love all the album. Yes, True Blue is great, but ultimately.

908
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: It's American life boots.

909
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: American life boots for me, what are you?

910
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: This is a random to say and like it's just

911
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: the first thing that came to my head was Borderline

912
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: because your total eighties is literally I'm the ultimate eighties

913
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: like trapper Keepers, but not like the most eighties. I

914
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: mean it's almost even more eighties song than the eighties

915
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: like major hits.

916
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that kind.

917
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: Of it has its total sense.

918
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the synth vibes or synthing.

919
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, also the song like a Borderline.

920
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: Is goaded sense of the vibe.

921
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 2: You know, you know the English segment.

922
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: What does she eat?

923
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: What did she wear?

924
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: How does she live? Let's start with what she wears?

925
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: What she wears?

926
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: Because her style, I do feel like she's like she's

927
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: in this thing where it she's like a certain and

928
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: she's like I need to wear like tight stuff. I

929
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: feel like she's like I need.

930
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: To wear like I imagine he always in this like

931
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: real now, like really mesh white shirt with buckles, I

932
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: mean black shirt with buckles.

933
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's a little bit of a hogwodge of

934
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: all of her styles ever.

935
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 2: But she still kind of cargoes, like she hasn't left

936
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: her early two thousands cargoes.

937
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: Okay. I also kind of feel like when she went

938
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: into like horse mode, she like never last because that

939
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: horse mode almost activated her to anglophilia. It was like

940
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: she got into horses and then she was like, wait,

941
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: British stuff like Derby Polo horses, amptin's classic and like

942
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna like move your and like we're yeah,

943
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: we're writing pants and crops crops, which I still think

944
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: she's because also she's yeah, so it's like snm and

945
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: like writing crops.

946
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: It's writing.

947
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: But she is also just like soft sweatpants around the house.

948
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: For sure, she's always like recovering.

949
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: I think she's like, oh, favorite sweatpants, my kim booze,

950
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: and it's like and it's like a wellshknittest.

951
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: You don't think it's just like some random like La

952
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: Streetwe brand that's sending her stuff.

953
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: I think she's both. And then also sometimes when she's

954
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: like dancing, it's the hugest, baggiest La street Wear little

955
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: tank and she's like being like one two four six seven.

956
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: I do feel like she's always getting kind of strapped

957
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: into stuff. Though, because it's a little bit like she

958
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: is a little piece together at this point, so she

959
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: kind of needs to be always the mouth, Yeah, it's

960
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: like the mouth is like taped up and the chest

961
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: needs to be kind of buckled in and everything.

962
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying, it's this tank top with side buckles and crops. Yes,

963
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: and it's like crops inside.

964
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: There is a lot of like mechanisms and machinery. Even

965
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: what might appear to be a casual outfit. I mean,

966
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: you know what there isn't anymore is like Eastern stuff,

967
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: Like I feel she's not doing like no bracelets, like

968
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: Tibetan pants anymore.

969
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: No wraps. My favorite story about Madonna ever is someone

970
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: told me that Madonna sleeps in a bag of moisturizer

971
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: zipped up.

972
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I've heard those as well.

973
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: Which is now I think, like so common and so

974
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: Kendall Jenner to like come out of your like cryo

975
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: embic chamber. Like I just watched them so that the

976
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 2: New Kardashians were Kendall zips out of something with her laptop.

977
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: She's inside a bag with her.

978
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like, it's so good to get worked onne.

979
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: I'm really into self care and it's like she has

980
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: a room of medical devices and I think Madonna started that,

981
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: you know, like home beauty medical devices.

982
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've also heard that she has a crank that

983
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: has to be turned.

984
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: Like every day that does to.

985
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: Pull her face. I think there's a lot of rooms

986
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: in her Scottish castle and and her like Lisbon townhouse

987
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: that have medical I.

988
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: Think it's a lot of medical rooms. The blood room,

989
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 2: what's happening there and there.

990
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: Are they're doing blood facials all the time. Yeah.

991
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: I think she defines big chair in corner that no

992
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: one sits on.

993
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I also think that, you know, there's

994
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: staff coming in and they're basically ranging the room. But

995
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: like there is like books about her and like so

996
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: many Mario Tistino coffee table books. It is kind of

997
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: this maximalist Jonathan Adler style that it's gonna have like

998
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: the pink velvet couch and then a green velvet couch,

999
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: and then like marble tables and then a golden mirror.

1000
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: And I kind of feel like the coffee table is

1001
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: like as big as our apartments in this way, and

1002
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 2: it's right, it's stacks of the hugest coffee table books.

1003
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the housekeeper's putting out like so many apples

1004
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: and croissants in the morning.

1005
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: She's not eating them nothing.

1006
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: But she is having like a blood smooth page.

1007
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: And she's like, ooh, I want goat blood this morning.

1008
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: And they're like, I'm so sorry, I went Donna. The

1009
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: goat blood shipment didn't come in today. It's running a

1010
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: little bit late, but we can get you donkey, which

1011
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: is to be just as effective.

1012
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: And then she's like, sorry, I'm not listening, and then

1013
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: she's like trying to figure out her BlackBerry.

1014
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: And then of course there's a recording studio, and I

1015
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: do think the dining room is like medieval Tuscan seventeen hundreds.

1016
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: But I do also think that she is sixty five

1017
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: and there's iPads everywhere and like charters chargers because she's

1018
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: got all her like rascals and all of her like

1019
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: spoiled little like twenty year old.

1020
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: Well and it's so soccer. And then there's a full

1021
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: soccer field outside and trainers and like Adidas and the

1022
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: cleats and like that.

1023
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: Young I feel like they're all post the age of

1024
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: playing soccer.

1025
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: Now, no one is trying to be like professional. Oh okay,

1026
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: and like play for like you know, real Madrid or.

1027
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's taking him to a dinner with just

1028
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: like the Emroddi owner of the team, and they're just

1029
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: being like your son.

1030
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: It's like David Beckham m Roddy owner.

1031
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: Right Madonna and the like her savage gays and like.

1032
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: But he's still kind of like not good enough to

1033
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: be on the team. But they're just like, well, we'll

1034
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: let you come to practice. And she's like, isn't that wonderful?

1035
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: And she's telling her when he is pro yeah, but

1036
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: he's actually just like practice.

1037
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: But she's super supportive.

1038
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: What does she eat your blood smoothies?

1039
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: And I think when she's at these dinners where there's

1040
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: seven people fawning over her, you know she's enjoying some

1041
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: of the clampassa. I don't think. Yeah, I think she'll

1042
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: have quite a bit on her plate.

1043
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: But I think she'll taste things like you know, I don't.

1044
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: She's not going to be rube and she is going

1045
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: to be like I love this chef. Who are you

1046
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: in the book? I mean, I guess you're saying you're

1047
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: Bena to me. I think we're both in the Four Roses.

1048
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: No obviously we're in the o G four and like

1049
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: we have seven group chracks and they're all getting confused.

1050
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: No, when we're accidentally sending Beena a text.

1051
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 2: I don't think either of us though, are the main

1052
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: the main daughter. Yeah, we're going over to that sleepover,

1053
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: but I don't think our mom is kind of organizing

1054
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: the sleepovers.

1055
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: I totally agree. We're like the two Maud girls.

1056
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're like British flag and like circles. We're kind

1057
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: of like shopping separately and then going over to the sleepover.

1058
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: Yes, separate shopping. Great. I actually give this book four.

1059
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: I was going to say four seven blood smoothies out of.

1060
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: Five, four mod dresses out of five, because I'm like,

1061
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: it's not y I it's a children's book. You're actually

1062
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: talking about the way like girls act and the feelings

1063
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 2: and social dynamic, got.

1064
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: Real socio dynamics between kids, because like all two of

1065
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: some have to be these stupid fucking metaphors about just

1066
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: like finding your inner light and like personality and yeah,

1067
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: they're completely fake and random.

1068
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: And I really like how the drawings are like a

1069
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 2: little bit like our brats meat Staria meets like precious

1070
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: English illustration.

1071
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: Yes, so well on your Madonna in it?

1072
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, in it. Congrats, congrats, congrats, Probably we can up

1073
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: your sales. Oh three book.

1074
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be flying off the shelves.

1075
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: Well best, best cheerio, I'm off to catch the tube.

1076
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: Celebrity book Clump with Stephen and Nellie was produced and

1077
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: edited by Derby Masters. The supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

1078
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: We were executive produced by Christina Everett. The graphic designs

1079
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: dial by the very talented bloke Teddy Blanks, another bloke

1080
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: with whom I've had a bit of a row recently

1081
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: with Stephen Phillips Horst, who created the theme song. My

1082
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: ex husband is Prologue Projects and we do co parent

1083
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: our lovely podcast together. We asked that you go to

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00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,560
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Speaker 1: refugees in crisis find dresses to wear to picnics.