Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, what's up? Greg?
Speaker 2: Not a whole lot? I'm uh, it's a beautiful fucking
Speaker 2: day outside.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think the pills I've been taking are working. It's
Speaker 2: hard when you take, you know what, It's hard when
Speaker 2: like you're trying to solve for X in your like
Speaker 2: body and mind, you know what I mean. Like I've
Speaker 2: been there for years. I've been trying to solve for X.
Speaker 2: I'm like, how much caffeine? What kind of pills am
Speaker 2: I high? Am I sober? What time did I wake up?
Speaker 2: What am I doing? You know, like this is all
Speaker 2: this fun You're trying to solve for X of like
Speaker 2: what are the exact what's the chemical equation that's gonna
Speaker 2: make me a functioning human fucking being? And I feel
Speaker 2: like a functioning human being right now, and I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the X is. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's pills, I don't know if it's sun I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's a combination of a bunch of things.
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna ask any more fucking questions. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna en joy the feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's hard to get to that point sometimes,
Speaker 1: like just just own it for a bit, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sometimes sometimes you don't. Sometimes you just don't
Speaker 2: fucking have to ask questions. But uh, what's your name?
Speaker 2: Did I ask you that already?
Speaker 1: Brooks?
Speaker 2: Brooks? What's up? Brooks? Is there anything you wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about today?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean I have a I don't know. I
Speaker 1: really like respect what you do. I feel like there
Speaker 1: needs to be more like mentors in the world. Kind
Speaker 1: of is something I think you do in a weird way,
Speaker 1: like for especially for like you know, I'm like millennial,
Speaker 1: but like I feel like gen Z and like younger
Speaker 1: millennial has never really got that mentorship. I feel actually online.
Speaker 2: I feel uncomfortable being. I'm I'm very honored that you
Speaker 2: would refer to me as a mentor, but for some reason,
Speaker 2: I feel uncomfortable being Is that how?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it needs to be like a
Speaker 1: thing like a mentor's like, oh, it's like mister Miyagi like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're you know, whack whack song. I think it's just
Speaker 1: someone that like you can kind of like someone who's
Speaker 1: maybe like had a little bit more in life experience
Speaker 1: than you or in your case, like talk to more
Speaker 1: people to like understand more life experiences to help people
Speaker 1: kind of like frame their you know, the way they're
Speaker 1: feeling or what they're doing in their lives. And I
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, I want to I've been wanting
Speaker 1: to like do that myself because like I had a
Speaker 1: pretty crazy run in my twenties and you know, now
Speaker 1: I'm like thirty five, and so I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just nice to be able to
Speaker 1: kind of see people where they're at and like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: like you're doing all right. You say that a lot.
Speaker 1: It's especially when someone calls like, oh, I'm nineteen, I'm
Speaker 1: going through this crazy shit and it's like, yeah, you're nineteen,
Speaker 1: just like chill.
Speaker 2: Right through what you're going through and right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just I really respect that. But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So I grew up like super conservative Christian in Texas,
Speaker 1: and so like my parents were super strict, didn't let
Speaker 1: me watch like I couldn't even watch like rug Rats.
Speaker 1: I could only watch like Disney Channel. Rug Rats was
Speaker 1: too like too much. So I just kind of lived
Speaker 1: that life up until I was like, you know, sixteen seventeen,
Speaker 1: and I was like whole Christian Anything doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: It's funny because like you being Jewish. One of the
Speaker 1: things that turned me off the most was like I
Speaker 1: asked them in like Sunday schools, like did Jews go
Speaker 1: to Heaven? And they're like, oh no, no, no, for
Speaker 1: sure not yea. I was like, Ah, that doesn't that
Speaker 1: doesn't work, that doesn't make sense. Yeah. So so I started,
Speaker 1: you know kind of like kind of like turning away
Speaker 1: from all that and smoking weed and drinking, and you know,
Speaker 1: got like super shunned. I was like perpetually grounded, and
Speaker 1: so I just kind of like separated from my family
Speaker 1: and went off to college and got into a good
Speaker 1: school and like started studying for chemical engineering at like
Speaker 1: text A and M, which is a fucking crazy engineering school,
Speaker 1: and just like couldn't keep up that and working like
Speaker 1: I was like full time geek squad, like trying to
Speaker 1: do that and a job full time is just like
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't get any money, and so, you know,
Speaker 1: I dropped out of that and I kind of went
Speaker 1: the geek squad route for a while and then started
Speaker 1: picking up DJing as a hobby because I've always been
Speaker 1: into like electronic music and rais and this is kind
Speaker 1: of like you know when that was like burgeoning, like
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, Like I've been helping out with
Speaker 1: some local shows and started doing lighting and then like
Speaker 1: got a gig working the lighting at a nightclub, and
Speaker 1: like it's like all these bars and college stations. So
Speaker 1: I started doing the lighting and so then I was
Speaker 1: like in with the DJ, and actually I learned how
Speaker 1: to DJ through that and kind of made that like
Speaker 1: my passion while I was still working Geese Squad and
Speaker 1: ended up meeting this chick Sees. She came up to
Speaker 1: fucking talk shit to the DJ because he played a
Speaker 1: Britney Spears track even know went off, and so we
Speaker 1: hit it off from there and we started dating, moved
Speaker 1: into the house together, got three cats together. We were
Speaker 1: together for years, and then one day out of the blue,
Speaker 1: she's like, so, I've been talking with my best friend,
Speaker 1: who was like her ex from back when she was
Speaker 1: in undergrad about this plan that we've had for whenever
Speaker 1: his grandfather passed away, he was going to get an inheritance,
Speaker 1: and they always had this plan to like move back
Speaker 1: to the West Coast and buy this piece of property
Speaker 1: and like turn it into like a communal party festival
Speaker 1: grounds type thing, like kind of like a commune but
Speaker 1: just for like little mini festivals. And she's like, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna go do that, and whoa. I
Speaker 1: talked to him about it, and he said, like, you're
Speaker 1: a DJ, like he seems like you seem cool, you
Speaker 1: could be helpful, So do you want to like go
Speaker 1: do that? And I go drop everything. Like I'd only
Speaker 1: lived in Texas, you know, twenty six at the time.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, let's do it. Texas was kind
Speaker 1: of getting old, like the whole DJ stuff was kind
Speaker 1: of getting stale, and so we totally.
Speaker 2: I totally thought this was turning into a thing where
Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, I'm gonna go be with my Ax.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was, but also like I was invited along,
Speaker 1: so it became this like, yeah, moved all the way
Speaker 1: across the country. He sold everything, bought a truck and
Speaker 1: a trailer and drove all the way out to fucking
Speaker 1: Reno and moved into her mom's basement and the three
Speaker 1: of us. And because he equate his job work in
Speaker 1: tech and then so he had also been working like
Speaker 1: on building an art car for burning Man. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I know much a little bit about it,
Speaker 1: but basically him and his buddy had like his buddy
Speaker 1: had bought a five ton army truck and they turned
Speaker 1: it into a giant art car. And this is the
Speaker 1: first year they were doing that. So he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I got your tickets to Burning Man, Like, let's go.
Speaker 5: It's on me.
Speaker 1: And so I went from like Texas, you know nothing
Speaker 1: to Burning Man in a matter of months, and that
Speaker 1: was pretty wild. Like I went from like DJing at
Speaker 1: a bar in a you know, like a college town
Speaker 1: in Texas to like DJing on top of a two
Speaker 1: ton army truck with two stories in the middle of
Speaker 1: a Burning Man mailstrom. So I was pretty I was
Speaker 1: pretty hooked at that point. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: way better than anything I ever had going on.
Speaker 2: So okay, So did she did your ex girl? Did
Speaker 2: your girlfriend at the time like romantically get back together
Speaker 2: with her? X?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I mean we were together still, okay, but I mean
Speaker 1: there was still definitely I feel like that tension. Maybe
Speaker 1: I was like blissfully unaware of it, and especially you know,
Speaker 1: like a Burning Man, like everything's crazy.
Speaker 2: Were they like were they were they fucking.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Probably not. They didn't seem like
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I mean, they've just always been
Speaker 1: really good friends, Like you know, they're like high school sweethearts,
Speaker 1: went to college together and then like moved out to
Speaker 1: Texas together and that's when I met her. Okay, But yeah,
Speaker 1: so after Burning Man, you know, it was like Burning Man,
Speaker 1: everything's like crazy awesome, Like stayed up and did acid
Speaker 1: for three days in a row and that's that'll change
Speaker 1: your mind about what the world is. But after that,
Speaker 1: then when we kind of like started hitting the Grindstone
Speaker 1: Hert and like checking out all these properties all across
Speaker 1: the West coast and eventually landed on one out in
Speaker 1: like Mendocino and pulled the trigger on it. And next
Speaker 1: thing you know, it's like the three of us out
Speaker 1: living in the middle of the woods in the middle
Speaker 1: of winter. And that's when shit got really weird. Like
Speaker 1: it was like the rainiest winter they'd had. It rained
Speaker 1: like one hundred inches that winter, which is like tropical
Speaker 1: level rainforest shit, And like there was a landslide that
Speaker 1: cut off the road. It was like on Highway one,
Speaker 1: and this landslide like cut off Highway One. We were
Speaker 1: like marooned from the main town, so we had to
Speaker 1: drive like an hour up the coast to give food
Speaker 1: and water and stuff. I mean there was water, but
Speaker 1: and yeah, so we were just like in this kind
Speaker 1: of like dark, dreary, raining every day warehouse in the
Speaker 1: middle of the woods, like trying to turn this thing
Speaker 1: into like a community festival, ground space. And we were
Speaker 1: doing some drugs and she was she started getting more
Speaker 1: and more into acid, and there would be points where
Speaker 1: she would just take it for like days at a
Speaker 1: time and not sleep, and she was thought she was
Speaker 1: like connecting with some kind of greater meaning to the universe,
Speaker 1: and something kind of snapped in her where basically she
Speaker 1: just started losing touch with like actual reality, and like,
Speaker 1: come to find out later she went from Mike. She know,
Speaker 1: she'd always been kind of bipolar, you know, like where
Speaker 1: you you know, go from like depressive to kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, hypomanic where you're like energized and doing stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there was like a switch that flipped with
Speaker 1: that where she went from like type two, which is
Speaker 1: that kind of like functioning you know, just like goes
Speaker 1: from like really depressed, really happy and back and forth
Speaker 1: to like type one, which is like you go through
Speaker 1: like actual mania, and she was like like speaking in
Speaker 1: like a Lana del Rey voice and like making prayers
Speaker 1: to kind and Elon Musk and like convince that she
Speaker 1: was having a relationship with Kanye via Spotify. And it
Speaker 1: was just really weird because it was like all hyper
Speaker 1: fixated on like Elon Musk and Donald Blubber and the
Speaker 1: two of them, and so she was kind of the
Speaker 1: only thing holding the three of us together. And once
Speaker 1: she lost it, the two of us, who didn't even
Speaker 1: really have any sort of prior friendship or relationship, we're
Speaker 1: just like what the fuck are we doing? Like what
Speaker 1: do we do? And like she couldn't see I don't
Speaker 1: know if you ever, I'm sure you've probably heard people's
Speaker 1: stories of like dealing with people who are fully manic,
Speaker 1: but it's like they can't see it in themselves, and
Speaker 1: like whenever they need to, they can just like snap
Speaker 1: out of it and act like a totally normal human.
Speaker 1: And it's really hard to get someone to get someone
Speaker 1: help when they are like refusing treatment. It's like it's
Speaker 1: impossible unless they're proven that they're danger to themselves or others.
Speaker 1: You can't get a fifty one to fifty in California,
Speaker 1: and so this went on for months and like to
Speaker 1: a point where it was like like we had a
Speaker 1: shotgun on the property for protection, and there was like
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of spooky shit with the shotgun. And
Speaker 1: it was like coming into the spring, and we had
Speaker 1: just booked our first camp out, and this is like
Speaker 1: kind of like the whole point of this whole endeavors
Speaker 1: to like throw this camp out with this other burning
Speaker 1: Man camp that we were friends with.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: We're like, we can't have people coming to this place
Speaker 1: with her like this. So her parents like flew in
Speaker 1: and rot like drove in and took her to like
Speaker 1: a crisis center and that's when we were able to
Speaker 1: get her into like actual care. And that was the
Speaker 1: same weekend as the first camp out. So it was
Speaker 1: like right when I'm at like the darkest, deepest point
Speaker 1: of my own like you know, this is like my
Speaker 1: whole life. I didn't have anything besides her really out here.
Speaker 1: Like if this all went hits up, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what I was.
Speaker 5: Going to do.
Speaker 1: But then like all these people came in from San
Speaker 1: Francisco and like through this awesome party. It was all weekend.
Speaker 1: Everyone was so cool and loving, and I just like
Speaker 1: right when I lost her was when I found like
Speaker 1: my people, and my purpose was like, oh, it's like
Speaker 1: here to like build community and like get these people
Speaker 1: a place to you know, get together and hang out
Speaker 1: and make friends and play music NonStop and do drugs,
Speaker 1: but the right way, you know, like and yeah, so
Speaker 1: that was you know, I was twenty seventeen, and we've
Speaker 1: been doing that every year since then, and the parties
Speaker 1: have been really epic. And then started my own parties
Speaker 1: back in Reno and things have really been just taken off,
Speaker 1: going to Burning Man every year since then. We broke
Speaker 1: up after that initial time when she got fifty one
Speaker 1: to fifty. We ended up moving back to Reno and
Speaker 1: he stayed over with the property. And you know, it
Speaker 1: took a while to actually get her like fully medicated
Speaker 1: and like get her to start seeking treatment, and like
Speaker 1: took multiple times of like taking her to mental hospitals
Speaker 1: and stuff. But after a couple of years, I was
Speaker 1: finally felt like she was stable enough for me to leave.
Speaker 1: And that's when I got my own place and then
Speaker 1: met the love of my life shortly thereafter, and we're
Speaker 1: getting married on the twenty fourth.
Speaker 2: Wow, I have I have eighty billion questions for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hit me, what do you got first?
Speaker 2: All right, so this plot of land, you bought it
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen and you still own it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's my buddies. But yeah, so my exes ex
Speaker 1: you know, the guy who we moved out there with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you guys are you guys are homies now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? I always like to say I got him
Speaker 1: in the breakup.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's very fun. Do you still talk to
Speaker 2: your ex at all? Or like, what's her deal?
Speaker 1: She's good? I don't we I mean I had to
Speaker 1: go no contact because the breakup was really messy and
Speaker 1: we had like three cats together, So like having to
Speaker 1: walk away from that was super brutal, Like that is
Speaker 1: one thing man, Like I couldn't imagine what it was
Speaker 1: like having children, because just leaving those three cats behind
Speaker 1: was gutrenching. Mm. So yeah, I mean I basically went
Speaker 1: no contact, and you know, I've talked with her occasionally,
Speaker 1: and you know, we tried to have like a friendship,
Speaker 1: but it's just I don't know, I think we're just
Speaker 1: better off living our own separate lives. You know, I
Speaker 1: think she probably has some resent I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know for sure, but like I think she has some
Speaker 1: resembment for kind of like me still living the life
Speaker 1: that she wanted, you know, but because I could keep
Speaker 1: my shit together and she couldn't, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, it's not like I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: there were some choices she made they led to, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it was a straight up brain
Speaker 1: chemistry thing, Like it was just.
Speaker 2: Do you think it was do you think it was
Speaker 2: like caused by taking so much acid?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's actually I don't know if
Speaker 1: you ever listened to like Shane Moss, but he's an
Speaker 1: amazing comedian who's mi a psychedelic comedian, I guess to
Speaker 1: be the best way to describe it. He has this
Speaker 1: He was filming a documentary called Psychonautics where he was
Speaker 1: like doing all these different drugs and he like went
Speaker 1: on a DMT trip and he went he went fully
Speaker 1: like maniced bipolar afterwards, and then so like after he
Speaker 1: had gone through this whole mania, he like sat down
Speaker 1: with like his his you know, a psycho like a
Speaker 1: psychotherapist friend, and they talked about like, yeah, like if
Speaker 1: you have a pre existing condition like undiagnosed bipolar disorder,
Speaker 1: and you take a lot of drugs, you can you know,
Speaker 1: go from being a bipolar type two to being a
Speaker 1: bipolar type one, which you know has like the the
Speaker 1: serious that you know. So yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 1: like it was an underlying condition that was like induced
Speaker 1: by a drug episode.
Speaker 2: That makes sense, That does make sense. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: kind of shit that makes me. You know. I used
Speaker 2: to be like, uh oh, I really want to, like
Speaker 2: at some point try fucking Iohuascar, DMT, just because like
Speaker 2: I enjoy like kind of sulking up all the different
Speaker 2: crazy life experiences that there are. But I think nowadays
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's it's a little scary the idea that
Speaker 2: you can, yeah, just on like one fucking trip change everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's really rare. You know. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of people like self diagnosis bipolar or whatever,
Speaker 1: but like the reality of having those conditions, like if
Speaker 1: that was the case, I mean we'd have I mean, well,
Speaker 1: I guess we do have a lot of people like that,
Speaker 1: but I think you know, the people you see on
Speaker 1: the streets and stuff like that, that kind of drug
Speaker 1: induced psychosis is from like long periods of like you know,
Speaker 1: methamphetamine use of you know, where you're staying up for
Speaker 1: days and days and like that's yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: there's like, you know, there's the thing that happened to
Speaker 1: her is pretty rare because I mean there's so many
Speaker 1: millions more people who do tons of acid and yeah,
Speaker 1: they may be different, but they're not like fully, you know,
Speaker 1: and people people do ayahuasca, people doing that for centuries,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's like I guess the question is like
Speaker 1: how much do I want my brain to change? Like
Speaker 1: you know, like it's there is a gamble, you know
Speaker 1: for sure. But you know for some people, for people
Speaker 1: like with PTSD, with all the studies that they're doing
Speaker 1: with like NDMA and psilocybin and stuff like that, like
Speaker 1: these are these are people who are you know, in
Speaker 1: desperate need of help, you know, whereas like and so
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, we gotta try this.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a different there's a difference between
Speaker 2: like like I would do I would do any drug, uh,
Speaker 2: medically assisted, I want to try that at something I
Speaker 2: would I would love to try. I was you know,
Speaker 2: well I was I was actually you know, I was
Speaker 2: like that the past two months have been like, we're
Speaker 2: pretty like mentally horrible for me. I was very like
Speaker 2: in a like we like just bizarre existential crisis that
Speaker 2: I couldn't get out of. And uh I was and
Speaker 2: only recently do I feel pretty good. Actually, But while
Speaker 2: I was, when I was in that, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like frand I was on
Speaker 2: Reddit every single day, like looking through all the like
Speaker 2: Ketymene therapy ship and I was gonna do it. And
Speaker 2: then I just like, I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: a zola after whatever the funck. But I just woke
Speaker 2: up a few days ago. Honestly, I woke up a
Speaker 2: few days ago and I was like, oh, I actually
Speaker 2: feel great. I'm not gonna And then for the past
Speaker 2: three days, I haven't, you know, looked up kenm therapy
Speaker 2: shit or asked chat Gypt about it. And so I'm
Speaker 2: chilling for not but I I if I think, if
Speaker 2: I think if it comes back hill, which it yeah,
Speaker 2: I if it comes back, which you know, I'm sure
Speaker 2: it will, but I'll be a little bit stronger because
Speaker 2: when I was in the thrones of it, I didn't
Speaker 2: think I could feel the way I feel right now
Speaker 2: as I'm talking to I didn't think I could ever.
Speaker 2: I thought I was done ever being able to feel
Speaker 2: that way again, which is really scary. But now that
Speaker 2: I've experienced feeling that way and then bouncing back, it's
Speaker 2: like I have the knowledge that it's possible. Although although
Speaker 2: although when you're in the throes of something like that,
Speaker 2: I don't even think you don't really follow logic in
Speaker 2: the way. You can't really be yeah, you can't really
Speaker 2: be like, well, logically, I have beaten this before, and
Speaker 2: so I will be it again, beat it again. You know,
Speaker 2: your brain isn't really up well.
Speaker 1: I mean, even the fact that you were looking through
Speaker 1: like therapy and stuff like like looking for answers for
Speaker 1: ketemine therapy and stuff like that means that you were
Speaker 1: still like in a state where you were willing to
Speaker 1: help yourself. And I mean the fact that you dig
Speaker 1: it on SSRIs and like hearing how that they've been
Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of the things that was
Speaker 1: super beneficial for her, was getting on the right sort
Speaker 1: of SSRI eyes just to kind of help regulate these
Speaker 1: things that go on in our brain that affect our
Speaker 1: moods so much. Yeah, I mean, but also like that
Speaker 1: being said, keine is fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: Have you done? Have you done? Have you done the
Speaker 2: the ketamine assisted therapy.
Speaker 1: Ship uh off label?
Speaker 2: Okay, like recreation, I've only done. Yeah, I've never. I like,
Speaker 2: I someone gave me like a key bump of ketamine once.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't like it. It was it just made
Speaker 2: my heart feel like I like it was gonna burst
Speaker 2: out of my chest. So I've never been into I've
Speaker 2: never I'm not like a recreational ketamine guy. I know that.
Speaker 2: I know people love it. You know here in Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: everyone's everyone's cutted up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's pretty much like I used it.
Speaker 1: I mean I still use it every chance I get.
Speaker 1: It's like, so that's that first group that came through
Speaker 1: that first camp out, Like their whole thing was like
Speaker 1: we don't do coke here, we do k and like
Speaker 1: it just creates like a whole new social dynamic as
Speaker 1: far as party drugs is concerned, because it really does
Speaker 1: like open up your mind in this way where you
Speaker 1: dissociate from like all of the kind of like trappings
Speaker 1: of your identity in a way like even if even
Speaker 1: if just like in small doses, you kind of just
Speaker 1: feel it's like weight of your whole you know. It's
Speaker 1: a disassociative, so you kind of like disassociate from all
Speaker 1: of the like social anxieties that you have, and like
Speaker 1: you'll just kind of just say whatever comes to your
Speaker 1: mind off the top of your head, which is like
Speaker 1: and then maybe efforts like well that was like too personal.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, it's a I like I can
Speaker 1: I've done multiple sessions of ketamine therapy with myself, my
Speaker 1: friends in the back like in the green rooms of nightclubs,
Speaker 1: just like you just like you do it, and like
Speaker 1: I don't know a whole.
Speaker 2: Lot, I don't know if I would necessarily refer to
Speaker 2: that as ketamine therapy.
Speaker 1: It was ketamine assisted therapy in the sense that like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, yeah, I do think that people.
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: I think I'm glad I worked for buy. There is
Speaker 2: there's definitely a difference between doing it recreationally and doing it,
Speaker 2: ah it with like a you know, a person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never died. I really never read therapy like
Speaker 1: air quotes around therapy. But I also do believe that
Speaker 1: like therapy can be sought with like in your community,
Speaker 1: like in the sense that like having someone just listen
Speaker 1: to you and you being able to open up about
Speaker 1: yourself and then them asking you like probing questions and
Speaker 1: helping you reframe it, like is the basis of psychotherapy,
Speaker 1: And like yeah, sure, I mean license thing you can
Speaker 1: call it.
Speaker 2: They call it self medicating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if it was purely just about the
Speaker 1: drugs and just like sitting by yourself and doing the drugs,
Speaker 1: like yeah, that also has its own benefits, like they've
Speaker 1: shown in reducing depression. But like I find it and
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's as a social like and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is something for like someone who
Speaker 1: has like you know, you know, treatment resistant PTSD or depression.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying that you should just go like
Speaker 1: buy a bag and go sit in the back like
Speaker 1: green room of a nightclub, but like for people just
Speaker 1: kind of like going through or like daily life struggles
Speaker 1: or like breakups and things like that that like can
Speaker 1: lead to depression. Like you know, I've we've had you know,
Speaker 1: just you have these interactions that were assisted by some drugs.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like we were just like completely hammered out
Speaker 1: of our minds like these are things, you know, just
Speaker 1: like in a recreational dose, it's much smaller than when
Speaker 1: you get a kedemye an infusion and you're like out
Speaker 1: off and outer space and then you blast off for
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and then you come back and talk to
Speaker 1: a therapist. You know, we're talking about like mild doses
Speaker 1: like a key bod you know, like.
Speaker 2: I I would love to I've never yeah I have.
Speaker 2: I haven't had a lot of experience with your ketamine
Speaker 2: as a as a club drug or even you know,
Speaker 2: have I done the infusions yet? But uh, i'd love
Speaker 2: I haven't done m d M A in a very
Speaker 2: long in a few years, but I the few times
Speaker 2: that I've done it have been fucking sick. I want
Speaker 2: I'd love to do like a like an MDMA therapy journey,
Speaker 2: fucking thing that would be sick. Maybe one day I'll
Speaker 2: do something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And is amazing for like a couple's therapy too,
Speaker 1: because we get like closer with someone and you can
Speaker 1: talk about the things you might not normally talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it just it puts you in this like
Speaker 2: crazy like people get very very vulnerable emotionally. Uh on MDMA.
Speaker 2: That's the that's like that's probably I mean, that's the
Speaker 2: coolest part about it is that everyone like really lowers
Speaker 2: their uh like emotional barriers and like kind of connects
Speaker 2: with each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's different from ketemine in that way,
Speaker 1: where like where you feel like a disconnection with ketamine,
Speaker 1: with Indima, you feel like a deep connection like and
Speaker 1: even like if that's to like with like within yourself,
Speaker 1: like to your inner child or something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: Like whereas like ketamine, like you can like associate, like
Speaker 1: associate from traumas and like kind of like talk about it,
Speaker 1: whereas like india A, you're like really like feeling these
Speaker 1: things and like feeling the love or feeling the trauma
Speaker 1: and like really like kind of like you know, as
Speaker 1: opposed to like zooming out, you're really zooming in. It's
Speaker 1: kind of the way I've experienced it.
Speaker 2: Well, well, listen, enough of this hippie enough of this
Speaker 2: hippie shit, Enough of this hippie ship, enough of this
Speaker 2: hippie shit. I have I am. I have business questions
Speaker 2: for you. I'm very curious, Yeah, yeah about about a
Speaker 2: lot of the things that you said about this thing
Speaker 2: that you do. So what so where is it and
Speaker 2: what is it? And tell more, I'm very curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's basically like out in the middle of
Speaker 1: the woods in Mendocino County, like kind of almost to Humboldt,
Speaker 1: which I don't know how much northern California stuff you've done,
Speaker 1: but it is like, you know, like the neighbors are growing.
Speaker 1: We like it's like, you know, it's out in the country.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the reason that we picked the
Speaker 1: spot was because we want to be able to play
Speaker 1: loud music for seventy two hours and so basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that was kind of the purpose for being out there.
Speaker 1: So far as you know, it's like we know our neighbors,
Speaker 1: like sometimes we have to pay them off for go
Speaker 1: to my hotel room so that we can last housemat
Speaker 1: house and techno music all night.
Speaker 2: Wrong and so you do and so you do this.
Speaker 2: You do this once a week. I mean not once
Speaker 2: a week, once a year.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no no no, I have a job.
Speaker 1: I work for a sign company. But like this is
Speaker 1: like kind of like the Passion Project.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we have like probably personally, like I'm involved
Speaker 1: in like two or three campouts out there. A year
Speaker 1: up to like the last the big one was like
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty people cool and yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: like Thursday through Monday, like NonStop music, NonStop partying, like
Speaker 1: you know, and it's all it's like, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of built on like Burning Man ethos, which like the
Speaker 1: whole thing about Burning Man is like you show up,
Speaker 1: you bring your own stuff, like and we'll provide you
Speaker 1: with like water and maybe a couple of meals. But
Speaker 1: then like you're supposed to be like self sufficient, pick
Speaker 1: up after yourself, leave no trace, like take care of
Speaker 1: each other. And so yeah, you can get two hundred
Speaker 1: fifty people in the middle of the woods and have
Speaker 1: them be partying for you know, four or five days
Speaker 1: in a row. And we've never had to take any
Speaker 1: one of the hospital except for like one guy got
Speaker 1: a kidney stone watch or like we've never had anyone
Speaker 1: break anything. And oh, granted this is also like people
Speaker 1: and they're like late twenties, early thirties, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of yeah, you know, if we were having like more
Speaker 1: of like a edm Rave you know, crowd, like, I'm
Speaker 1: sure we definitely have a lot more.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, that actually brings me to another thing I
Speaker 2: was curious about is well because you you you referred
Speaker 2: to me as a mentor earlier in this call, and
Speaker 2: now I ask of your mentorship because I'm curious what
Speaker 2: it feels like. I've been thinking a lot about like
Speaker 2: getting getting older and stuff, and like I'm always thinking
Speaker 2: about like what the hell is my life gonna be
Speaker 2: like in you know, ten years or eight years or
Speaker 2: what ever. And so you know, I'm I'm interested talking
Speaker 2: to you because you seem like a guy who is
Speaker 2: also is also kind of a chaser in terms of
Speaker 2: like life experiences and like personal growth bullshits, And so
Speaker 2: what's what's it feel like for you at thirty five
Speaker 2: versus at twenty seven in this life journey?
Speaker 1: I mean, I could have never imagined where I am
Speaker 1: now compared to where I was at, Like I felt
Speaker 1: very similar to where you are now, like very stuck,
Speaker 1: like doing awesome things like still DJing, still like doing
Speaker 1: cool shit, but like kind of just in this like
Speaker 1: pattern of like work, party on the weekends, where party
Speaker 1: on the weekends, or you know your case, like you know,
Speaker 1: like travel tour, whatever you're you know, kind of like
Speaker 1: rhythm that you're finding yourself in. But I mean eventually,
Speaker 1: like you know, it just took like some crazy leap
Speaker 1: of faith and next thing you know, a month later,
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of the desert, like on mushrooms,
Speaker 1: playing music to like a hundred people that are just
Speaker 1: like so excited that I'm there. And like, I've never
Speaker 1: experienced that in that way before. Like when you're DJing
Speaker 1: at a club, it's very like disconnected, Like they show up,
Speaker 1: they buy a drinks, they leave, But like this is like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're all camping in the middle of the desert together,
Speaker 1: like we're going to get to know each other over
Speaker 1: the next many days and like but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: like it's all about like really, it's just about like
Speaker 1: finding a really tight knit community. And like no, I
Speaker 1: mean I still think, like you got to go to
Speaker 1: Bernie Man.
Speaker 2: It's like just you know, you know what's funny is
Speaker 2: what we were. You know what's funny is I've been
Speaker 2: intently listening to you. You're you're great at telling telling
Speaker 2: your story. But while you were talking, I had a
Speaker 2: on this phone call. I had a few times where
Speaker 2: my mind's and I was like, I gotta go back
Speaker 2: to doing music festivals and fucking I gotta go to
Speaker 2: Burning Man and like like you're like you're you're getting
Speaker 2: me excited. I'm like, oh, I forgot that. The energy
Speaker 2: of those fucking things is just like out of this world.
Speaker 2: I would love.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like what gets me through like the
Speaker 1: depressed or like like through the winter, Like whenever I'm
Speaker 1: feeling down, it's like, oh man, summer's right around the corner,
Speaker 1: like doing this, camp out, doing that. Like you need
Speaker 1: those things in your lives to like to build, Like
Speaker 1: you get all of this like super excitement from these
Speaker 1: insane parties or.
Speaker 2: Whatever your traveling shok forward to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like in like so Burning Man, it's
Speaker 1: like every year, you know, once once the end of
Speaker 1: summer comes around, it's like you're starting to pull out
Speaker 1: the dusty gear and it's just like getting in those
Speaker 1: kind of rhythms like and you know, that's like things
Speaker 1: that we used to have like back in like tribal
Speaker 1: you know, like with equinox parties and like solstice, like
Speaker 1: we would always like kind of have these ritualistic festival
Speaker 1: type things or you know, not even tribalistic, but like
Speaker 1: in like you know, just in you know, now it's
Speaker 1: like it's also corporatizing. It's like, oh, no one's really
Speaker 1: getting that excited about Halloween or Chris Smith or like
Speaker 1: it's just it's so like boring in corporate now. It's like,
Speaker 1: but when you have something like burning Man or like
Speaker 1: I know, you like electric forests or stuff like that,
Speaker 1: like just buying a ticket for that, even if six
Speaker 1: months out can like totally just change the way you're
Speaker 1: you know, excitement levels can be through like they through
Speaker 1: the times and you're kind of down.
Speaker 2: Do you know what my next actually, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm my next My next thing is I gotta I
Speaker 2: gotta get a ticket for this before it's too late,
Speaker 2: because I'm this is a thing I'm going, you know what,
Speaker 2: maybe that maybe I'll I can you still go to?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say my next thing, I'm I'm almost
Speaker 2: certainly going to go to the gathering of the Juggalos.
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to go since I was like fourteen,
Speaker 2: and I think I'm I would really like to go
Speaker 2: there and uh be a gecko and talk to people there.
Speaker 2: I think that'd be fun as fuck.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can still get tickets?
Speaker 2: Can you go to? Can I still get tickets to
Speaker 2: Burning Man? Has that where is it a tickets?
Speaker 1: Yeah thing? Well well so I thought it was just
Speaker 1: show up.
Speaker 2: I thought it was like a fucking well so back.
Speaker 1: In the day, it used to be able to buy
Speaker 1: tickets at the gate. Over the last ten years, it's
Speaker 1: been like sold out because kind of like the you know,
Speaker 1: it became like this like you know, bucket list thing
Speaker 1: where like you know, Instagram influencers and tech you know
Speaker 1: bros kind of like turned it into something totally different.
Speaker 1: But now like last year was the first year it
Speaker 1: didn't sell out and they had tickets for sale at
Speaker 1: the gate again, So like if you want to go,
Speaker 1: you can get tickets now, all right, So that anyone
Speaker 1: listening like yeah, who's who thought that Burning Man? Or
Speaker 1: you've heard about it, but I heard it impossibly get tickets.
Speaker 1: Like it's now becoming a thing where you can go,
Speaker 1: Like it used to be really hard.
Speaker 2: I know that every YouTube motherfucker has done it to death,
Speaker 2: but it would be really I don't even get I
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck about that. I I would be
Speaker 2: really fun to just show up and and do my
Speaker 2: Gecko interviews there and shout I remember doing them at
Speaker 2: but I remember doing them at Bonnau a few years ago,
Speaker 2: and that was that was fun. I always have a
Speaker 2: great time doing the the Gecko ship at at those festivals.
Speaker 2: What's your name again?
Speaker 1: Well, if you want to go, let me know. I'll
Speaker 1: get you set up with the survival kit because it's ship.
Speaker 1: It's not like a regular festival where you can just
Speaker 1: like show up in a gecko suit, like you got
Speaker 1: to either get an r V or like serious like
Speaker 1: tense situation going, because I mean, a week out in
Speaker 1: the desert is a lot harder than like a weekend
Speaker 1: in a in a forest grove.
Speaker 2: You know, what's what's your name again, sir Brooks? Brooks?
Speaker 2: What's what's next for you? Brooks? What's uh? What's getting married?
Speaker 1: How?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, you are getting married? You? Oh yeah, okay? You
Speaker 2: you know what's funny? Yeah? You told me a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of things that popped up a lot of questions
Speaker 2: that I had. And then we started talking about Keadamine
Speaker 2: and I forgot the questions, But now I have the
Speaker 2: questions again. Well, how'd you meet this new late? How
Speaker 2: did you meet this new lady? How'd you meet the
Speaker 2: new tender? Tender? Yeah, it was Yeah, okay, you know what,
Speaker 2: I am incredibly invested in this because I'm the super
Speaker 2: like or unhinged the rose. Right, it's it's weird, it's
Speaker 2: seen some people could perceive it. For those of you
Speaker 2: who are not on dating apps, the the super like
Speaker 2: in the rose is the thing where you can like
Speaker 2: pay the app or sometimes you get like one whatever
Speaker 2: it is. You you pay the app.
Speaker 1: And yeah, like ten bucks a month, you got like
Speaker 1: one a week when I did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you you pay for like a rose or
Speaker 2: a super like, and it makes sure that when you
Speaker 2: like like a person's profile it they see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Some people feel as though the super like or the
Speaker 2: rose can be seen as desperate, can be seen as.
Speaker 1: Or are we all desperate?
Speaker 2: But that? But but a beautifully said by you, aren't
Speaker 2: we all desperate? Aren't we all desperate? You know what?
Speaker 5: I hate?
Speaker 2: This is a hold on. I'm following a billion different
Speaker 2: trains of thought because I do want to talk more
Speaker 2: about the super like thing. But I hate when people
Speaker 2: say that. I hate when people, as like a negative connotation,
Speaker 2: say that somebody is attention seeking or like or like
Speaker 2: a pick me or whatever. Because I hate when people
Speaker 2: say that because we all we're all naturally attention seeking,
Speaker 2: we're all uh pick mees in our own way.
Speaker 1: But and the super like, I mean, it's as evolution.
Speaker 2: It's the basis of all evolution. And so I hate
Speaker 2: when people say like, oh, like, this person's like an
Speaker 2: attention or whatever. But anyway, the superike is there's a
Speaker 2: bit of a fear of it being yeah too much.
Speaker 2: And yet I love hearing that you are getting fucking
Speaker 2: married to somebody because you sent the fucking super like
Speaker 2: that ten fucking dollars. This is not an ad for Tinder,
Speaker 2: but I am genuinely amazed that that ten fucking dollars
Speaker 2: has completely changed the course of your entire life for
Speaker 2: the better. That is, that's mesmerizing to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean like because I had been on
Speaker 1: the dating apps for a few months. So I just
Speaker 1: got out of this super long relationship, and I've been
Speaker 1: on the dating apps for a few months, but I
Speaker 1: really just kind of got my own room and was
Speaker 1: like out on my own where I felt like I
Speaker 1: could actually date. She had been on it for like days,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was that kind of thing where
Speaker 1: it was like if if if I hadn't super liked her,
Speaker 1: I mean, she probably had one hundred other matches to
Speaker 1: scroll through. She would have never found me. She would
Speaker 1: have found someone else within date, Like she would have
Speaker 1: been out at the dating pool within a week, whereas
Speaker 1: like I would have probably been swiping for years. And
Speaker 1: you know who knows like and I found my soulmate.
Speaker 1: Like we've been together for over six years now. We
Speaker 1: do everything together.
Speaker 2: We wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like she one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I had a super liked because she had a picture
Speaker 1: of her at Burning Man. This goes back to why
Speaker 1: Burning Man like changed my life so much. Like if
Speaker 1: I hadn't been to Burning Man and realized, like, oh
Speaker 1: I see this person has also been to Burning Man.
Speaker 1: We share these values, we share these interests. She's clearly
Speaker 1: worth a super like. And you know, we went on
Speaker 1: a first date and I had gone on a previous
Speaker 1: I'd been kind of dating a scull previously where I
Speaker 1: had like spilled my whole story about what had happened
Speaker 1: with my ex and like, you know, been vulnerable with her.
Speaker 1: And the next day she texted me was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I really still think you're hung up on your ex, Like,
Speaker 1: send me this long text and I just like responded
Speaker 1: like okay, and I felt like so empowered just not
Speaker 1: to like try and like defend and like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not true. Like I was just like okay, Like
Speaker 1: I knew right there it wasn't gonna work. So on
Speaker 1: our first date, I just completely unloaded all this like
Speaker 1: trauma and bullshit I've been through for the past so
Speaker 1: many years. And she's like, oh, really, let me tell
Speaker 1: you my story. And she went to her past seven
Speaker 1: years of how she had just got out of relationship
Speaker 1: with her shity acts, and so we immediately because I
Speaker 1: was vulnerable, we immediately connected on a deeper level. And
Speaker 1: what could she was like saying, like I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be a girl. I was just supposed to be
Speaker 1: a fling, Like she had just got now this relationship.
Speaker 1: She wanted to be wild and single, but what could
Speaker 1: have been a one night stand turned into iffrong relationship
Speaker 1: because I was vulnerable on that first date. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So like if you have people who come with dating advice,
Speaker 1: since like, oh, I've been through all this shit, like
Speaker 1: I don't know when I should, like if it's truly,
Speaker 1: if it's a soul match, if it's someone you're truly
Speaker 1: meant to be with and you just vomit all that
Speaker 1: stuff on them. Like then they're like they're gonna be
Speaker 1: interested in you because that is who you are. It's
Speaker 1: like on a deeper.
Speaker 2: Level, No, I feel that I I one hundred percent
Speaker 2: agree with you on that because like, yeah, you're you're not.
Speaker 2: The more vulnerable you're willing to be on like a
Speaker 2: first date, uh, and the more you're willing to you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like put yourself out there. And I think
Speaker 2: a lot of like, like I think that there's people
Speaker 2: kind of mistake like vulnerability when it's truly just like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just throw this out there and I don't
Speaker 2: care what you think about it is is attractive? I
Speaker 2: think that like the people get hung up on like oh,
Speaker 2: if I like reveal too much or if I fuckingh
Speaker 2: am too vulnerable, it comes off as like needy. But
Speaker 2: it only comes off as needy if it is if
Speaker 2: there is a need. But if it's more of just
Speaker 2: like being like try honest to God, vulnerable just because
Speaker 2: you like as like an expression of who you are,
Speaker 2: you know, the right people, uh latch onto that shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know It's like it wasn't attractive to this
Speaker 1: one girl, but it was to my soulmate, you know,
Speaker 1: so like that it did it exactly what it intended me.
Speaker 1: I might have gotten to a six months, year long
Speaker 1: relationship with this person before I figured out which it
Speaker 1: wasn't the one, just because I was so desperate for
Speaker 1: love and attention at that point. But like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're getting married and it's amazing, Like I'm like having
Speaker 1: all my family lie in, Like we're spending oh, like
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand dollars wedding.
Speaker 2: Christ, what are you? Why are you spending thirty five
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on a wedding?
Speaker 1: Dude? It's that expensive. It's like literally like seven grand
Speaker 1: for the venue, eight grand for the catering like this,
Speaker 1: Like it just it just is that expensive. We went
Speaker 1: into this like.
Speaker 2: We're gonna spend your your your whole thing is throwing
Speaker 2: fucking cheap ass, I assume. I mean, I actually don't
Speaker 2: know what the finances are of these kinds of things,
Speaker 2: so never mind. But your whole thing is doing like
Speaker 2: d I y fucking events. I'm surprised. I'm surprised you're
Speaker 2: just spending thirty five dollars.
Speaker 1: We both have day jobs. We both have day jobs. No,
Speaker 1: and so we are doing we're doing like the in
Speaker 1: the church event. Like I come from a super Christian
Speaker 1: family and this is like my sister never got married.
Speaker 1: This is kind of like the only wedding for my family.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it was just like we're also
Speaker 1: doing a full on camp out wedding at the property.
Speaker 1: Like but I couldn't have I couldn't have family there.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and that wed one wedding with
Speaker 2: yeah exactly, with wine and crackers, and one with ketamine
Speaker 2: and MD.
Speaker 1: And NonStop music, yeah exactly. I mean because I had
Speaker 1: always said, like, oh yeah, let's just get married at
Speaker 1: the property. We'll save that money, will buy a house,
Speaker 1: and you know, the closer we got to and it
Speaker 1: just you know, the logistics of even just bringing out
Speaker 1: my family just for the ceremony, like cause it's in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, getting a hotel an hour away.
Speaker 1: Just it's like, you know what, let's just do it,
Speaker 1: Like we can buy a house. We can save money,
Speaker 1: Like if we can save money to ford this wedding,
Speaker 1: we can save money to buy a house. Like it
Speaker 1: just it mattered to us, you know, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I wish it wasn't as expensive as it was,
Speaker 1: but like the reality is like if you want to
Speaker 1: get a venue and a caterer and this and that,
Speaker 1: Like it's just like once put the word wedding in
Speaker 1: front of any expense, it doubles.
Speaker 2: I still I'm not over the super like thing. I'm
Speaker 2: really not, because it's like you pressed, I really like that.
Speaker 2: I remember I met a couple, Like every time I
Speaker 2: hear stories like this, right, Like, I met a couple
Speaker 2: once many years ago in Philly, and I was I
Speaker 2: asked them how they met, and they said they met
Speaker 2: on the train, and I was like, Bro, this fucking
Speaker 2: guy like was on his way home from work, and
Speaker 2: if he if he stopped to tie his shoes and
Speaker 2: he got on a different train five minutes later, his
Speaker 2: whole life would be different. That That's like, that's like scared.
Speaker 2: That almost makes me feel like, oh, you know, in
Speaker 2: what situation? Every single situation is like uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, you know the concept of like missing your blessing.
Speaker 2: Have you heard that? I always wonder that. I get
Speaker 2: like I get like sad about that. Sometimes I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: and what situations have I been in where I miss
Speaker 2: missed my blessing and actually.
Speaker 1: Moves linearly Like you can't. It doesn't work in this
Speaker 1: whole like like the whole idea, like oh, every every
Speaker 1: decision you didn't make or made or thought about making
Speaker 1: branches off into another reality. But like time only moved
Speaker 1: in one line, you know, like yes, so like you're
Speaker 1: just gonna get You're gonna get what you get. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I could have super liked the girl one before or
Speaker 1: one after her when I was swiping, like could have
Speaker 1: been a you know, a hot blonde bimbo with fat tits,
Speaker 1: and I would have been like, oh, super like that,
Speaker 1: like you know, like but no, I waited and I
Speaker 1: saw someone at Burning Man and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: someone I actually super like.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, okay. So I was talking earlier about
Speaker 2: like like like intrusive thoughts come in and like you
Speaker 2: challenge them, And what you just said made a lot
Speaker 2: of sense, because yeah, I'll get like weirdly stressed about
Speaker 2: when I hear about shit like that is like oh, am,
Speaker 2: I supposed to be in the a on a train
Speaker 2: right now or whatever the fuck. And you know, wondering
Speaker 2: if like how to because I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people are obsessed with like making like the right choices,
Speaker 2: you know, and then you kind of realize that exactly
Speaker 2: time only does move in one direction, and you can't
Speaker 2: stress yourself out about the possibility of alternative realities because
Speaker 2: you just these don't know. And also I also am
Speaker 2: I mean me personally like my life. I had a
Speaker 2: random fucking idea to buy a gecko costume in like
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and when I know this is before our pan,
Speaker 2: I made like, I just made this random YouTube video
Speaker 2: that I took off my channel. I made this random
Speaker 2: YouTube video where I'm wearing this costume. And so that's
Speaker 2: the reason I had the costume. And when I bought
Speaker 2: the costume, I didn't know that it would lead to
Speaker 2: this crazy thing. I didn't know, and so that's a
Speaker 2: blessing that I had. And I think, to me, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of I think, to stress out about whatever
Speaker 2: potential blessings you missed is not the thing to focus on.
Speaker 2: It's you know, I'm happy for blessings I did have,
Speaker 2: or curses that I missed, you know, I mean, God,
Speaker 2: how many fucking random times or people in a wrong
Speaker 2: situation where they you know, die or some shit. You know,
Speaker 2: you just never know, you have to surrender. I think
Speaker 2: at a certain point, you have to surrender yourself, like
Speaker 2: like have a little bit of like this is the
Speaker 2: whole determinism versus free will shit, like you know, have
Speaker 2: free will when you want, but like you got to
Speaker 2: surrender to a little bit of life's determinism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like when I would thinking about leaving Texas,
Speaker 1: like I had a million red flags going off in
Speaker 1: my head, like you know, like what if she's not
Speaker 1: the one? What if this goes south? What if this
Speaker 1: becomes a weird love triangle situation? And like, well, the
Speaker 1: answer is what if all those things are true? But
Speaker 1: by taking that initial leap of faith, you still find
Speaker 1: yourself with your people and with your soulmate and like
Speaker 1: the happiest. I could have never been as happy if
Speaker 1: I had stayed where I was, Like I truly believe
Speaker 1: that I would maybe, yeah, I don't know, Like who knows.
Speaker 1: I could have gone down a path of you know,
Speaker 1: I was drinking a ton, like drug addiction, God knows what.
Speaker 1: You know, if I had decided to break up with
Speaker 1: her and go back to being single, in my late twenties. Like,
Speaker 1: who knows what kind of shit I could have got into,
Speaker 1: Like I mean shit, I probably would have just got
Speaker 1: arrested for smoking weed like I already had twice.
Speaker 2: You know, I would have.
Speaker 1: Been in jail for smoking a weed in Texas.
Speaker 2: I Yeah, it is cool that. I think in general,
Speaker 2: life tends to reward putting yourself out there in some
Speaker 2: way shape or for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you gotta get I was too comfortable, like
Speaker 1: I get too. I get comfortable too ec like I
Speaker 1: had just you know, I had lived in one town
Speaker 1: until I was eighteen, and then in a college town
Speaker 1: for another eight years, even after I'd dropped out, because
Speaker 1: I was comfortable there, like I had friends. I was
Speaker 1: a DJ. Like but yeah, you gotta, you gotta. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I I would have never seen myself
Speaker 1: doing that before, but I did it.
Speaker 4: It was amazing.
Speaker 2: Wow, are you gonna DJ at your own wedding? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Just for a little bit. Well, actually, I'm going to
Speaker 1: pre record all of the music for like the like
Speaker 1: when you get sad, and like during the cocktail hour
Speaker 1: and like the dinner and stuff. So I will be
Speaker 1: DJing like my entire wedding, but I want to have to
Speaker 1: do anything. It's gonna be all pre recorded.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's their own mix for the wedding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's sick, Yeah, because I don't trust
Speaker 1: anyone else's DJ for my own wedding. But then so
Speaker 1: like after that, like all of our wedding party is
Speaker 1: also DJs. So like I'm going to DJ for thirty
Speaker 1: and then like best man and then kroomsman and bridesmaid
Speaker 1: and like all like so all the wedding party is
Speaker 1: going to DJ for the dance party portion of the
Speaker 1: events you did?
Speaker 2: Do you have your name as like the headline? Like
Speaker 2: are you you're headlining your wedding?
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2: I guess can you tell me your name for the
Speaker 2: fifth time?
Speaker 1: Brooks? I'm going by Brooks for this call because I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't know, it's pretty much it was
Speaker 1: a bee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brooks. I'm gonna I'll ask the chat if they
Speaker 2: have any questions if if if yeah, yeah, is the
Speaker 2: chat of any questions for Brooks. We'll do a couple
Speaker 2: of questions here.
Speaker 1: Something about be about ketamine, or to be about Bernie.
Speaker 2: Mann uh let's or it might just be your about
Speaker 2: something random. So so what's your Oh yeah, what type
Speaker 2: of music do you play?
Speaker 1: House music?
Speaker 2: House music?
Speaker 1: I like funky, like classic sounding house music, but like
Speaker 1: the newer like tech house kind. I don't know we describe.
Speaker 2: Uh, someone said, why do you get sad during a wedding?
Speaker 1: I think I don't know. I put people crying during
Speaker 1: weddings or just actually getting sad during a wedding. I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: I've never gotten sad during a wedding. I think maybe
Speaker 1: if you're alone, you might get sad at a wedding,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think that person's ask themselves
Speaker 1: why they get they get sad at wedding?
Speaker 2: WHOA, Well, well, I think they said that because you
Speaker 2: mentioned you said the words sad. But whose who cares?
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 1: All?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Was your music impact did in any way when you
Speaker 2: entered a relationship.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. Yeah, I mean it's interesting.
Speaker 1: So she her music was actually more impacted than mine.
Speaker 1: I would say, because like, I was a part of
Speaker 1: this house music collective we've been throwing these events, and
Speaker 1: she was kind of a part of like the like
Speaker 1: underground music scene is usually divided between like bass music
Speaker 1: and house music. Or like house of techno, and so
Speaker 1: she came was coming from the bass music side of things,
Speaker 1: where her ex was like a DJ in the local scene,
Speaker 1: and now she was like coming over to the like
Speaker 1: to the light side in my and then you know,
Speaker 1: there's like the dark side of the force, and bas
Speaker 1: music's very like dark and brooding, and like house music's
Speaker 1: very like fun and playful. So so she had to
Speaker 1: make a really big transition from going to like being
Speaker 1: deep in this bass music scene to being in this
Speaker 1: house music scene, which is totally different for her. But
Speaker 1: as far as the way she's impacted me, I mean,
Speaker 1: she you know, she will play music that I wouldn't play.
Speaker 1: If I'm like playing music, I'm gonna play like house
Speaker 1: mus it's gonna be like digging and looking for new tracks.
Speaker 1: But she will play like indie music and electronica and
Speaker 1: stuff that's like, you know, stuff that I wouldn't normally
Speaker 1: think about playing in a DJ set, but then like
Speaker 1: I hear it and it's like, oh, this would be
Speaker 1: really cool if I mixed it in this way or
Speaker 1: a part of like a you know, like a set
Speaker 1: that was like more down tempo and chill. And then
Speaker 1: I then from there, I'll look for new artists that
Speaker 1: are kind of like tailoring into that vibe, and I'm
Speaker 1: finding like a whole new different band of music, and
Speaker 1: it's like a whole new genre. I'm like now I'm
Speaker 1: into like one hundred bpm slow mo house with like
Speaker 1: hip hop vocals and like indie influences and stuff.
Speaker 2: Man, I just like uh doing doing the MDMA and
Speaker 2: looking at the colors. I I anytime people talk about, uh,
Speaker 2: like electronic music, I know it has like eighty million genres.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm not my ear isn't trained enough
Speaker 2: to hear all the here all the different types.
Speaker 1: But it's the vibes, like I guess, like so like
Speaker 1: with like the house music scene like in Burning Man
Speaker 1: or like Desert Hearts or stuff like that on the
Speaker 1: West Coast, Like it's just like house music is just
Speaker 1: more like an up tempo like four on the floor
Speaker 1: like boom boom boom boom, like steady like dance beat groove,
Speaker 1: which is like people played at Burning Man because like
Speaker 1: you're just you're just kind of like going for days
Speaker 1: and days on end, and it just kind of becomes
Speaker 1: this like heartbeat and this like walking tempo whereas like
Speaker 1: bass music is very much like you show up and
Speaker 1: the headliner gets on and he's like put your fucking
Speaker 1: hands in here. He's like paw and you know you
Speaker 1: like do that. You thrash around in a mosh pit
Speaker 1: for a few hours, but then like your drugs were
Speaker 1: off and you go past that in the tent, Whereas
Speaker 1: like the house music people are up at sunrise like
Speaker 1: still just kind of thumping along like.
Speaker 2: Brooks. Yeah, it is a pleasure talking to you, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, I've been calling for a while. I've been listening,
Speaker 1: as you could tell for a while. I'll like mad
Speaker 1: respect you and your show. I hope, I hope if
Speaker 1: you ever tour you make a stop in Reno.
Speaker 2: Let me know. Uh, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 2: what my life schedule whatever the fuck is like. But
Speaker 2: next time you're having one of these one of these things,
Speaker 2: let me know if I'm in the area. I'll maybe
Speaker 2: I'll come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, So shoot you an email or what.
Speaker 2: Uh Instagram Instagram DM so I checked this or.
Speaker 1: An email DM Yeah, I'll you DM right now. Fuck you, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: Because if and thing goes for you, like if you
Speaker 1: want to go to burning Man, or you want to
Speaker 1: try out like a West Coast house music festival or
Speaker 1: just something to shake it up, because like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're getting to the age where the d M shit's
Speaker 1: not gonna it's gonna not it's not gonna do it
Speaker 1: for you anymore. You know, you're going to start one
Speaker 1: to branch out into more mature genres of music.
Speaker 2: And I don't like if it ever did do anything
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the music, but like the people. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like you want to like because like the EDIM festivals,
Speaker 1: it's always going to be like eighteen to twenty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's going to be older people there, but that's gonna
Speaker 1: be like the majority of it. Like once you start
Speaker 1: getting into your late twenties early thirties, like for whole
Speaker 1: vibe changes, and it's nice to be around that same
Speaker 1: vibe in my opinion.
Speaker 2: So, Brooks, is there anything else you want to say
Speaker 2: to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 1: Oh, man, I should have thought about this. You always
Speaker 1: think about it when you're listening, but when you.
Speaker 2: Get here, No, whatever's in your people always say that.
Speaker 2: People are always like, oh I didn't have anything, Just
Speaker 2: whatever's in your gut?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just just take the plunge, you
Speaker 1: shoot the super like, move across the country, go to
Speaker 1: Burning Man, Like, just do it because you don't know
Speaker 1: what you don't know what's going to come out of it,
Speaker 1: Like it could change your life, it could be a
Speaker 1: terrible experience, could be both.
Speaker 2: We are going to sell, so we're gonna sell so
Speaker 2: many super likes with this podcast. I'm very h I.
Speaker 1: Hope we saw. We've a couple of Burning Man tickets though.
Speaker 1: I'm yeah.
Speaker 2: Brooks, congratulations on, congratulations on on a beautiful life man,
Speaker 2: and thank you for thank you for this session of
Speaker 2: mentoring me. You're the mentor. Now take care.
Speaker 1: Brooks, ha, you keep it up while man, he's the best.
Speaker 2: Thank you man, take care all right. I liked that guy.
Speaker 2: That was a good That was a good phone call. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love those I love those music festivals, man, I
Speaker 2: love getting to chat with people at them. I haven't
Speaker 2: been uh in a while, but they're fun. They attract
Speaker 2: a cool energy. Yeah, I was asking. I was curious
Speaker 2: with Brooks about like being thirty five because it's like
Speaker 2: you kind of I think when you're growing up you
Speaker 2: have this like idea of like what adulthood is supposed
Speaker 2: to look like. And then as you get older, and
Speaker 2: as you get to you know, meeting more people and
Speaker 2: see more things, you kind of realize that there is
Speaker 2: really no uh uh way in which you are forced
Speaker 2: to subscribe to life, which is an interesting it's an
Speaker 2: interesting thing to think about. Drugs, sex, violence, porn, Nintendo. Okay, hello, Hey,
Speaker 2: what's up man?
Speaker 1: Uh? Nothing much?
Speaker 2: Tell you I'm doing good, dude. So you So, I
Speaker 2: I get texts sometimes people text me with stuff and
Speaker 2: and if I find it interesting, I'll call them back.
Speaker 2: And I saw that you. You texted me that you
Speaker 2: were the you were one of the people that I
Speaker 2: brought up on stage at my show in London. Uh,
Speaker 2: And I remember your story and I remember that moment
Speaker 2: and it was so uh it was so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was and so I just
Speaker 2: I wanted to call you, call you back and chat
Speaker 2: with you about it. What's your what's your name by
Speaker 2: the way, Jonah Jonah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I was the last guy on the Camel
Speaker 3: stage and you said that we just only had time
Speaker 3: for like one or two more, but like I overstayed
Speaker 3: my welcome. But I read a note out to the
Speaker 3: cloud about a letter that I wrote to my mother
Speaker 3: that past when I was seventeen mm hmm, and no
Speaker 3: one had ever heard that note before, so it was
Speaker 3: weirdly freeing reading old stage because it's just a bunch
Speaker 3: of strangers. I see why people call into this show.
Speaker 3: It's just just being able to put it out there
Speaker 3: but not having anyone be able to come back to you,
Speaker 3: your anonymity. It is just so nice.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmmm. Yeah, I remember, Yeah, when you
Speaker 2: came on stage and you read that letter, it was, uh,
Speaker 2: I don't I. I well, I first of all, I
Speaker 2: really appreciate the vulnerability that requires to do that, and
Speaker 2: I just I thought it was so uh it was
Speaker 2: just really cool, like watching you have the vulnerability to
Speaker 2: do that, and then like really feeling the crowd like
Speaker 2: all it was like this fucking like like like group
Speaker 2: therapy moments where everyone was like on board and and
Speaker 2: in the room and it was no, it was it
Speaker 2: was a really cool moment. That was one of my
Speaker 2: favorite Well yeah, watching you uh read that letter was
Speaker 2: one of my favorite moments of that whole tour.
Speaker 3: Oh that's great to hear, man, It feel amazing doing it.
Speaker 3: Because we went from such a good you do an
Speaker 3: amazing comedy show by the way, we went from such
Speaker 3: a good, good bit of stand up and stuff and
Speaker 3: two amazing stories before me. So then I spoke a
Speaker 3: little bit beforehand and just said, if you want me
Speaker 3: to read out this letter, And then suddenly it felt
Speaker 3: like you could hear a pin drop in that room,
Speaker 3: like it was that dead silence for they're just that
Speaker 3: for five ten minutes that I read that out, and
Speaker 3: then we were straight back into it afterwards with the
Speaker 3: questions and everyone's back to laughing.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 5: It was so nice.
Speaker 2: Mm tell me, yeah, how did the crowd react, like,
Speaker 2: like when you got off? I always I always wonder
Speaker 2: this with I always ask people this if I get
Speaker 2: the chance to. If it's like somebody who I've brought
Speaker 2: up on stage, have you like when you got off stage,
Speaker 2: did a lot of people come up to you afterwards
Speaker 2: and talk to you about it?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: As I was coming off stage, it was like one
Speaker 3: of high fiving and people dapped me up and stuff.
Speaker 3: But afterwards when we were queuing up to see you, well,
Speaker 3: I was near the front, but a couple of people
Speaker 3: caught me on the way as as I was coming
Speaker 3: up to you, and they would just say love to
Speaker 3: say they loved hearing the story, and it's just anyone.
Speaker 3: There was one guy that I remember that he said
Speaker 3: he related to it quite a bit because he had
Speaker 3: a friend that had passed away and he was just
Speaker 3: asking like, how did I move on from the death
Speaker 3: and what's the best approach I did to get away
Speaker 3: from it. So it's great to hear different perspectives some stuff,
Speaker 3: because obviously I lost my mother not young, but not
Speaker 3: terribly young at seventeen, but to have it like that,
Speaker 3: especially since I was in I was very fortunate to
Speaker 3: grow up in what I would call a very secure household,
Speaker 3: to then have that ripped away from me, especially since
Speaker 3: it was a sudden death, there was no cause leading
Speaker 3: up to it. Just having to deal with that on
Speaker 3: pretty much on my own. It feels like because I
Speaker 3: have three older brothers and a father, so we're an
Speaker 3: all boys household now, but they have their girlfriends or wives,
Speaker 3: and as much as I could go to them for
Speaker 3: support at being seventeen, it's hard to be a hormonious
Speaker 3: teenager and then reaching out to people because I don't
Speaker 3: think i'd ever really done that by any point, especially
Speaker 3: since during that time I started using drugs a little bit,
Speaker 3: so I started to latch onto that a little bit more.
Speaker 3: And it was just trying to be able to get it.
Speaker 3: Was trying to stop doing the drugs whilst also trying
Speaker 3: to mourn my mother in a proper way rather than
Speaker 3: getting high, just to be able to get through it.
Speaker 2: What I'm that guy who asked you for advice? What
Speaker 2: did you say to him?
Speaker 3: I just said, as much as I've just talked about,
Speaker 3: like hard to reach out, it is just surrounding your.
Speaker 1: Self and people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the feeling of being alone and being lonely. Being
Speaker 3: alone is when you're in a room by yourself and
Speaker 3: then feeling lonely. You can be in a crowd of
Speaker 3: people feeling lonely. If you're able to sit in a
Speaker 3: crowd of people and just interact with one or two
Speaker 3: of them, then it just makes you feel so much better.
Speaker 3: Like during that time, I was able to just reach
Speaker 3: out to the closest people I knew and ignore the
Speaker 3: ones that are a bit further out, and those are
Speaker 3: the ones that really helped me. I'd say my friends
Speaker 3: helped you more than my family, not anything against them.
Speaker 3: It's just more I didn't choose to reach out to
Speaker 3: my family at that time, and my friends are the
Speaker 3: ones I kept your knocked down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's just the fucking the meaning of life.
Speaker 2: I think, how are you doing now?
Speaker 4: Man? What do you?
Speaker 2: What do you? What are you been up to? I'm
Speaker 2: trying to remember, because I'm sure I asked you about like,
Speaker 2: like what's going on in your life nowadays? Are like
Speaker 2: what you're studying or working on or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I just I kind of briefly rushed past it when
Speaker 3: you asked me beforehand. I'm an apprentice now, it's four
Speaker 3: years since her death, and I just work for a company.
Speaker 3: I work on roads, just doing analytics of them, and
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get a career and data science. So
Speaker 3: it was looking up and I just hope that my
Speaker 3: mum would be happy with where I am. But speaking
Speaker 3: of we've actually got a charity event for her coming up,
Speaker 3: so it's just looking forward towards that because it would
Speaker 3: have been her sixtieth birthday this month.
Speaker 2: You have what's the charity event?
Speaker 4: We're doing an event with her, any of her friends
Speaker 4: that wants to come along, or friends or friends and
Speaker 4: we're trying to just raise money for the British Art
Speaker 4: Foundation because that's she died of a cardiac arrest and
Speaker 4: it's just a nice little thing to do to get
Speaker 4: people together.
Speaker 2: Really, what is the you said the British Do you
Speaker 2: say art Foundation or Art Foundation Heart Heart? What kind
Speaker 2: of what are you guys doing for the event.
Speaker 3: It's just like a little meet up, doing some quizzes,
Speaker 3: eating food, just chatting to people. Probably a lot of
Speaker 3: people that I wouldn't have seen in fucking forever because
Speaker 3: it's mum's friends.
Speaker 2: How is your like social life and everything? Are you like,
Speaker 2: like you said that your friends helped you out the most?
Speaker 2: Are you still hanging out with those folks a lot?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely so. I kind of have like
Speaker 3: my closest friends and if you're my closest friends for
Speaker 3: years now, probably nearly coming on a decade or so,
Speaker 3: and they've just always been there for freaking thin They're
Speaker 3: the ones are always gonna help even when I wouldn't
Speaker 3: ask for any help, they'd just be the ones to
Speaker 3: be able to check up on me. Like you said,
Speaker 3: it's the meaning of life interaction with people, even if
Speaker 3: you don't want it. It's what's going to get you
Speaker 3: through a day, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, because that's how we I mean, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: how we. Like we used to live in tribes and ship.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I mean absolutely, Man, what what sort
Speaker 3: of tribe would you want to live in?
Speaker 2: What sort of tribe would I want to live in?
Speaker 2: Probably one that does cannibalism as uh as a as
Speaker 2: like a religious ritual, because you know, I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to uh eat human flesh, and this would give me
Speaker 2: an excuse to do it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you think it wouldst like?
Speaker 2: I think I actually think human flesh would taste I
Speaker 2: mean probably good, right, I mean, like all, you could
Speaker 2: take any meat. Really, you could take like the meat
Speaker 2: of any living thing and grill it or fry it
Speaker 2: and put sauce on it, and it'll taste good. Like
Speaker 2: fried human with barbecue sauce would probably be delicious.
Speaker 3: See when you say that, that sounds pretty good, But
Speaker 3: I much just something like a snake would not taste good.
Speaker 3: Gamey as fuck, wouldn't it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It would probably be gaming. But again, but again,
Speaker 2: if you fried it and you you fucking cauliflower, you
Speaker 2: fry it and put it in barbecue sauce. It tastes great.
Speaker 3: Sure, you fight anything put in bob sauce will be great.
Speaker 2: Imagine you're you're you're in England. How about a human
Speaker 2: and chips? That could be good.
Speaker 3: Now, now now you're putting putting a good meal together.
Speaker 2: That would be good. That would be good eating a
Speaker 2: guy with fries. Probably. I mean if you, uh, if
Speaker 2: you gave me fried human and you told me it
Speaker 2: was like chicky chicken, Yeah, if you told me it
Speaker 2: was chicken, I'd probably be like, this is pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how are you?
Speaker 2: Do you feel good about life these days?
Speaker 3: I feel pretty good. I'm very positive about life recently.
Speaker 3: I think it's just because I'm out the hit part
Speaker 3: of it. So yeah, I mean I've only just done
Speaker 3: twenty one, so it's probably only gonna get worse there.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, well you're a fucking I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just remember when you came on the stage, like,
Speaker 2: I just I really liked I this sound. This is
Speaker 2: like a pop word. But I'm gonna says, yeah, I
Speaker 2: liked your aura, I liked your vibe. You had it.
Speaker 2: I could sense I really do, I really feel like you.
Speaker 2: You have whatever the thing is that is required to
Speaker 2: get through life without going insane. I know that is
Speaker 2: a observation that I have made really not knowing you
Speaker 2: at all, uh zero percent. But if if just out
Speaker 2: of an impression of the amount of what if you
Speaker 2: forced me at gunpoint to come up with an impression
Speaker 2: of you from the brief amount of time we spent together,
Speaker 2: that was That was my impression.
Speaker 3: Oh the thanks man, that was great.
Speaker 1: That I did not expect to bring me up.
Speaker 2: But it was. Again, it was such a great moment.
Speaker 2: And it was because who else was on that show.
Speaker 2: We had that girl who talked about how she just
Speaker 2: had her first threesome. Yeah, yeah, she had. She like
Speaker 2: took an uber from an orgy to come to the show.
Speaker 1: Living the life.
Speaker 2: And then uh oh, the guy who uh.
Speaker 3: Couldn't move out of his parents house.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3: He could have done it.
Speaker 2: That was such a fucking great show. I had had
Speaker 2: an awesome time doing that, such.
Speaker 5: A good time.
Speaker 2: What's your name again?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: Jonah?
Speaker 2: Jonah Jonah. I'm glad this is cool. I'm glad we
Speaker 2: get to talk. I'm glad we got to talk. I
Speaker 2: was like being able to be able to talk to
Speaker 2: folks who I met on on uh you know, as
Speaker 2: funny is I At the shows, I'll like meet people
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, ship, we talked on the phone,
Speaker 2: and now I'm on the phone with you and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh ship, we talked at the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's great. It's great to have to act
Speaker 3: to stream, for one, because it's kind of hard to
Speaker 3: line up the times UK and work and stuff sometimes.
Speaker 2: Jonah, is there anything else gonna say to the people
Speaker 2: of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: If life does really seem shipped some people? Well, you
Speaker 3: can always drive yourself out of it. You just have
Speaker 3: to be happy in the present as much as you can.
Speaker 3: Just know that eventually you'll be able to get out
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Joanah, keep on rocking in the free world? Is England free?
Speaker 2: Or you guys? Can you guys do stuff? You just
Speaker 2: do it? Everything done.
Speaker 3: Look into a politics? Done done done, look into a politics.
Speaker 2: But I really I don't I'm not bullshitting I I
Speaker 2: don't want it to be like always says, because he's like,
Speaker 2: I don't say that to everyone. And if you listen
Speaker 2: to the show, you know I don't say that to everyone.
Speaker 2: There are definitely people who hang up the phone after
Speaker 2: I'm talking to them, and I'm like, I'm a little uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know if they're going
Speaker 2: to be okay. But there's a lot of people who
Speaker 2: I hang up the phone. I'm like, you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: They have resilience. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Hello, Hello, Hey, Hey,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 5: Oh god, damn, I can't believe my mom.
Speaker 2: How's it going?
Speaker 5: Good? Good? Yeah? You know, nothing better than talking to
Speaker 5: a man on a guest to shoot off the internet.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's so many things better. Have you ever? Have
Speaker 2: you ever tried heroin? I bet heroin feels awesome. A
Speaker 2: fancy restaurant, you could have sex, you could go to Peru.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things. I mean, this is good.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm enjoying that we're having a conversation, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's I don't know if there's nothing better.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know what, Maybe you're right, Maybe there's nothing
Speaker 2: better than connecting with people.
Speaker 5: I mean, I was studying before this, and you know,
Speaker 5: this is definitely better than studying.
Speaker 2: What do you studying for?
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna give you a brief history of my
Speaker 5: life story. I guess I went to a technical college
Speaker 5: to become a mechanic. That took two years, and then
Speaker 5: I worked as a mechanic for two years, and then
Speaker 5: it didn't pay as much as I hoped it would.
Speaker 5: So I found this other job at a manufacturing company
Speaker 5: and that pays more. But if I want to advance
Speaker 5: my career there, I to get a degree in what's
Speaker 5: it called robotics. So that's what I'm trying to pursuing
Speaker 5: right now, studying robotics.
Speaker 2: That's great, that's awesome. You're gonna because that's gonna be useful.
Speaker 2: How old are you?
Speaker 5: Twenty six?
Speaker 2: Oh, twenty six? Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: useful because when when we're in our fifties, oh my fuck,
Speaker 2: thank god, man, oh my god, we're gonna be like
Speaker 2: they're gonna be able to create very lifelike human robots.
Speaker 2: Uh Ai. Imagine what AI is gonna be like in
Speaker 2: like twenty five fucking years. Man, It's gonna be super advanced.
Speaker 2: They're gonna put it into lifelike bodies, and we're not
Speaker 2: gonna be able to We're gonna be living among robots,
Speaker 2: and so you'll probably have a job. Yeah, you'll probably
Speaker 2: have a job.
Speaker 5: I feel like you said, the years are gonna end
Speaker 5: up like those people in Wally they just sitting there
Speaker 5: see the whole time.
Speaker 2: We're a little bit like that already.
Speaker 5: We're a little bit I mean, yeah, we are. If
Speaker 5: you think about it, we can have everything that ever
Speaker 5: to us.
Speaker 2: I was watching I saw some ship on Twitter. Uh
Speaker 2: of like Mark Mark Zuckerberg was talking about how his
Speaker 2: whole thing are is like these these ar glasses and
Speaker 2: everyone's going to be wearing these glasses that are going
Speaker 2: to project the digital world into the real world via
Speaker 2: al No, it wouldn't what do you mean that would
Speaker 2: be cool? That would be horrible. You think that would
Speaker 2: be cool? Do you think that would be cool?
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, it would help me dramatically with working out
Speaker 5: because instead of lifting you know, a weaight to imagine
Speaker 5: like I can imagine myself lifting a car off a
Speaker 5: family of four. I've been like, I lift the ship.
Speaker 2: What's your name again, Mark, Marcus? Marco Marcos Marcos, I'm Marcus.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what's going on in my brain
Speaker 2: right now, is okay? I was so I was about
Speaker 2: to go on a rant about how I think. When
Speaker 2: I heard him say that, I was like, I think
Speaker 2: there's some form of a revolution going on, like in
Speaker 2: where like I think people are slowly even young people.
Speaker 2: This might just be an optimistic anecdote, but I was
Speaker 2: feeling optimistic, and I was like, I think young people
Speaker 2: and people around the world are waking up a little
Speaker 2: bit to how much technology is negatively impacting a lot
Speaker 2: of aspects of their life and making active efforts to
Speaker 2: cut down. And I'm making active efforts to reject forms
Speaker 2: of technology that are getting slowly more and more invasive
Speaker 2: and requiring you to wear your phone on your wrist
Speaker 2: or on your eyes. And I was really feeling confident
Speaker 2: about that optimistic point of view. And then you immediately
Speaker 2: said that Mark Zuckerberg's goggles would be cool, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, We're all fucked whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go wear them. I'm gonna wear them right now,
Speaker 2: and we're all getting the chips in our head. I'm
Speaker 2: fucking wrong. I was trying to be optimistic. I really
Speaker 2: thought that we were in some kind of like I really,
Speaker 2: I don't know, That's what I was trying to be optimistic,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, we're in some kind of renaissance thing
Speaker 2: where people are going to reject a lot of this ship.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's the I think I
Speaker 2: might just be being naively optimistic and it's going to
Speaker 2: be embraced whether we fucking like it or not, just
Speaker 2: like you know, phones.
Speaker 5: I mean, the only time will tell, to be honest.
Speaker 2: But people don't. Do people really want to fucking wear
Speaker 2: this shit?
Speaker 3: Ay?
Speaker 2: First of all, he I think we're getting to a
Speaker 2: point economically where like, who's gonna be able to afford
Speaker 2: this sport? Unless yeah, well unless unless if it starts
Speaker 2: getting because like everyone has a phone, like you could
Speaker 2: be you know, people people living on the streets have phones.
Speaker 2: Like everyone has a phone. If the technology becomes X
Speaker 2: right now it's not it's like the Vision pro whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck was thirty five hundred dollars. But if it
Speaker 2: becomes accessible to the point where you know, everyone can
Speaker 2: just get have everyone just has these goggles in the
Speaker 2: way that everyone has the phone, then maybe, But right now,
Speaker 2: I think people have been trying to get folks to
Speaker 2: wear shit on their heads for a while and it
Speaker 2: hasn't caught on to the mainstream. Hopefully it hasn't cut
Speaker 2: onto the mainstream because we have something innately in our
Speaker 2: biology that makes us not want to fucking do that.
Speaker 2: But who Mark Zuckerberg is in his laboratory figuring out
Speaker 2: what that thing is in our biology that makes us
Speaker 2: not want to do that, and he's figuring out how
Speaker 2: to fucking shatter that ship and make it say that.
Speaker 2: We're all wearing this stuff.
Speaker 5: The closest that we have to that right now we
Speaker 5: are VR headsets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, but like, but the v VR headsets
Speaker 2: have not achieved mainstream adoption.
Speaker 5: Oh no, they have. They have not.
Speaker 2: In the way that phones are and I, I mean
Speaker 2: AI has achieved mainstream adoption. You know, my dad is
Speaker 2: using it and everyone's using it. But I don't think
Speaker 2: that we're gonna be I don't know when we're gonna
Speaker 2: be wearing shit. I don't know if we ever will
Speaker 2: be wearing shit. I hate that. I fucking I hate
Speaker 2: the Apple Watch, I and the fit Bit. It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to people who wear that shit. I
Speaker 2: don't get it. Why would you want your phone like
Speaker 2: your like It's like it takes such little there's such
Speaker 2: little barrier between your phone and your face already, it's
Speaker 2: like you have to pull it out of your pocket.
Speaker 2: It's like having the watch, like removing even that barrier
Speaker 2: is fucking crazy to me. Where it's like your phone
Speaker 2: is just always it's not even in your pocket anyways,
Speaker 2: it's a glance away. It's weird. I don't get I
Speaker 2: don't people, I don't. I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 2: like it. Do you have an Apple Watch? Do you
Speaker 2: have that ship?
Speaker 5: I haven't used a Apple product since the first iPad.
Speaker 2: Also, it's gonna be really funny. It's gonna be really
Speaker 2: funny because one day I'm gonna be doing like an
Speaker 2: ad read for a fucking Apple Watch or some shit
Speaker 2: like that, and I'll be like, you know what, it
Speaker 2: was actually pretty cool, But uh, you don't use Apple.
Speaker 1: What do you use?
Speaker 2: Are you like a Macintize Sam your Samsung guy? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm saying I meant you're Samsung guy. Okay, how's that
Speaker 2: going for you?
Speaker 5: I like it? Yeah, I really like it. It's you know,
Speaker 5: the features on the phones are needed to use, and
Speaker 5: that's that's what really matters. Right, If.
Speaker 2: You're an Apple person and you try to use like
Speaker 2: an Android you'll be like, this is disgusting, this is
Speaker 2: not It might as well be like in Chinese the
Speaker 2: whole phone, because it's just it's different. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: do you get that feeling when you use the iPhone?
Speaker 5: When I use an iPhone. I don't know if you
Speaker 5: notice about Samsung, but you know how they have the
Speaker 5: back button.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Samsung, so.
Speaker 5: I don't know on the on the Samsung, there's a
Speaker 5: bag button to go back to the previous page or
Speaker 5: whatever that you were on, and I hate that iPhones
Speaker 5: don't have that. We have to look for like an
Speaker 5: arrow on the butt on the on the screen to
Speaker 5: go back to my previous page or whatever.
Speaker 2: We have a well, we have a little bit more.
Speaker 2: We have a sophisticated system where you gently swipe up
Speaker 2: a little bit and then you go back and it'll
Speaker 2: just take you back to like whatever app you were
Speaker 2: using before, like the little carousel ship. Ah, But you
Speaker 2: wouldn't know because you've got a Samsung.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's been a while since I've used
Speaker 5: an Apple product.
Speaker 2: I do love Apple. I like there's ship It is weird,
Speaker 2: how I like, Yeah, it's fucked up to think about
Speaker 2: how many tools I have in my life that uh
Speaker 2: didn't exist for the entirety of history. It's like, it's
Speaker 2: very it's very trippy to think about when you when
Speaker 2: you were when you really think about like the fuck
Speaker 2: that I feel all this, Like everyone having a phone
Speaker 2: is like not even twenty years old. It's like like
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight maybe or seven. It's yeah, people
Speaker 2: like I remember my parents were like print out map
Speaker 2: quest or like we had Yeah, I remember that, and
Speaker 2: people lived like that. How did like, like, how do
Speaker 2: you even how do you like meet up with people
Speaker 2: in like the nineties? How do people do that?
Speaker 5: I think it's crazy, Like what if you just went
Speaker 5: to Walmart and then your friends spontaneously called you up
Speaker 5: and told you, hey, me meet me at this new
Speaker 5: restaurant that this that just opened up. But you have
Speaker 5: no idea how to fuck to get there.
Speaker 2: You have no idea the fuck to get there.
Speaker 5: You have no fault to look up how you know
Speaker 5: the directions.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they fucking did it, but they
Speaker 2: did it. And it's not like you know, the people
Speaker 2: who did that, they're not like eighty years old, they're
Speaker 2: like in their forties. Yeah, I I it's weird not
Speaker 2: remembering what that was like or not really because I
Speaker 2: had a When did I get a cell phone? I
Speaker 2: got a cell phone in two thousand. I got an
Speaker 2: iPhone in two thousand and eight, and I was like ten, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was ten when I got a kN iPhone, ten
Speaker 2: or eleven fucking there was this middle gear solid game
Speaker 2: on it, and there was.
Speaker 1: And there was Jones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I played all sorts of those
Speaker 2: mobile games. Marco's Yeah, how you doing, good, good, good good? Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: before we go, are you optimistic about the future of society.
Speaker 5: I don't want to get too political, but as long
Speaker 5: as capitalism is still a thing in this world, I'm
Speaker 5: not optimistic.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Probably, probably, probably, But hey, we can always we can
Speaker 2: always look at we can always look at funny pictures
Speaker 2: on the computer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can. We can always cope, we.
Speaker 2: Can always go there. Well, here's here's here's Here's an
Speaker 2: optimistic framing is if the world goes to ship, there
Speaker 2: will always be some form of cope that we'll have
Speaker 2: to look forward to. You know, a candy bar you found.
Speaker 5: On the ground, or yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 5: I can see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so will either have prosperity to look forward
Speaker 2: to or cope to look forward to. Marcus, is there
Speaker 2: anything else you want to say to the people of
Speaker 2: the computer before we go?
Speaker 5: You know, unlike the other guy actually did have something
Speaker 5: in mind to say when you ask me this question. Ahead,
Speaker 5: for the people that have trouble motivating themselves to work out,
Speaker 5: give yourself a goal like run the marathon or enter
Speaker 5: in the weight difting competition. Essentially, that'll have you, you know,
Speaker 5: work towards something instead of going to the gym.
Speaker 2: Goalless continue to get shredded. I'm gonna assume you're shredded.
Speaker 2: I'm imagining you. I'm imagining what you look like. I'm
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 5: I am not shredded at all. I'm five nine and
Speaker 5: I weighed two hundred forty pounds.
Speaker 2: And what do you squat?
Speaker 5: Fuck? I don't know how much I squat. I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm trying to your you know, training for a marathon.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, hold on the last guy. Okay, remember on
Speaker 2: the last podcast that guy talked to I don't know
Speaker 2: if you listened to the podcast, but okay, on the
Speaker 2: last episode, the guy there was a there was a
Speaker 2: caller who called it and he said, he said it
Speaker 2: was like five eight and one hundred and forty five pounds,
Speaker 2: and he said he squatted five hundred and forty pounds.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that you were were there for that? No?
Speaker 5: I was not.
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, Uh, he he emailed me. He emailed me.
Speaker 5: What's the average weights that someone can squat?
Speaker 2: Okay? He email? Hold On, he emailed me, and he
Speaker 2: sent me a video, and I'm gonna watch it right now.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched this video. What's the average squad? Okay?
Speaker 2: Hold on? Let me watch this video. Let me see
Speaker 2: if this is real. Okay, he's doing Okay, that's not
Speaker 2: a squat. Okay, he's not doing. This guy's lying. He's
Speaker 2: not doing squat.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: What's forty five times for?
Speaker 5: What is.
Speaker 2: No? Forty five times eight? What's forty five times eight?
Speaker 2: Forty five times eight? Let's see three hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: hold on?
Speaker 5: This guy?
Speaker 2: Is this video? This dude is he's leg pressing. He's
Speaker 2: not squatting. He's leg pressing. Uh, three hundred and sixty pounds?
Speaker 2: Why did he tell me a lot? It's a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, by the way, I'm gonna say it's a lot.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: Leg pressing a lot. So leg press three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty pounds is a lot. But I don't know why
Speaker 2: he lied and said that he's squats five hundred and
Speaker 2: forty pounds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know why either.
Speaker 2: I don't know why he said. But look, look, Mike,
Speaker 2: I think his name is Mike. And then why did
Speaker 2: he send me a video of him not doing the
Speaker 2: thing he said he was doing? Okay, well, look whatever.
Speaker 2: The leg pressing three hundred and sixty pounds is impressive,
Speaker 2: but just so, just say that, Mike, Why you don't
Speaker 2: You don't have to make up things. Just say what
Speaker 2: the real thing is. And it's impressive too.
Speaker 5: Maybe because he wanted to be him.
Speaker 2: He wanted to be he already is him. Everyone everyone
Speaker 2: is already selves, I guess Marcos. Yeah, I'll see you
Speaker 2: around the universe.
Speaker 5: All right, let's see you around.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Marcos.
Speaker 5: Run the marathon, Gecko.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna do that. I don't like running.
Speaker 2: I like I like lifting weights. Lifting weights is fun.
Speaker 2: I like to lift weights, and I like to walk.
Speaker 2: I don't like to run. I'm not a runner. Folks,
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