1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: So do you want the good news or the bad news? First? 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Welcome burg Gang. On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: a lots alike in Friday's padded Practice, and they were 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: a couple of things not to like. Plus we talked 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: Garrett Williams's role on defense and what Jeff Rodgers had 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: to say about the kickoff. Just how dynamic will it be? 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven seventy seven, and it 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: starts now. 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: Who to Baker? What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable? 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: He's a a ten half of five. He's it again? 15 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: Some more Hurry Magic. 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craiggrioler. 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: So, Danny, are you the type of person that if 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: you are told that I've got some bad news and 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: some good news to tell you, are you the type 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: of person that wants to know the bad news first 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: or the good news first? 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: Oh, let's let's start with the good news. I guess 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: the good. 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: News, Okay, I'll I'll lean into the good news. I 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: do want to get to the bad news because they 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: let me just say this Friday's padded practice, the second 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: padded practice at training camp. I thought it was the 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: best practice so far of Cards camp here at State 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: Farm Stadium. Offense, defense, everything looked good. There are several 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: standouts on offense, several standouts on defense. With that said, 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: the bad news, just to get it out of the way, 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: the air was sucked out of the stadium when bj 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: Joli went down, no update, he needed help off the field, 34 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: look like he heard his leg going up against Joana Williams. 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: Last part of practice. 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: Last five minutes of practice. 37 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: Team first team offense, first team defense. Two minute work 38 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: and the music just stopped and every player went down 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: to a knee and now you just cross your fingers 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: that much like when yelled to Roholt walked off the field, 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: the Cardinals get As Jonathan Gannon said about fro Holt, 42 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: good news, nothing serious, He'll be back. I don't know 43 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: about Bja. 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: We were a little different watching this go down on 45 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: the field because you went worst case scenario, seeing everybody 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 3: take an eel and having the music stop, and to 47 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 3: me that's something that would have happened regardless. I mean, 48 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: we're in practice, right, so it's our people controlling the music. 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: So someone goes down, regardless, they're going to stop the music. 50 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: When yell Tofrohole went down early in the week, players 51 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: around him were taking a knee, and we've been told 52 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: that he will essentially be good and to not necessarily war. 53 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: So I wasn't jumping to worst case scenario for BJ. 54 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: He was. 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: Walking off with the help of trainers. So now we 56 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: just have to wait for an update. It's unfortunate. You 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: hope that this is something that Okay, a little nick here, 58 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: give him a little bit of time through the preseason 59 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: to rest up and recover. Because Onejli has looked good 60 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: through training camp. You can see that he has he's bigger, 61 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: He's put on weight so that size is there. He's 62 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: still fast, still looking strong, winning some reps, and he 63 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: has earned himself working with first team and a lot 64 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: of these practice drulls. This is a position group that 65 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: didn't add a lot of personnel in the offseason, which 66 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: tells you they like what they had in their group 67 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: and they're relying on who they have in that room. 68 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: If it's not best case scenario for Ojelari, you're gonna 69 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: have to I would assume looking bringing somebody in. I 70 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: don't know that when you're looking down the depth chart 71 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: you have an automatic replacement for what you were going 72 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: to get from moch Lauri unless you're just going to 73 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: slide maybe Dennis Kardak and it's guard Deck and Zaven Collins. 74 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. We need to obviously wait until we 75 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: get any confirmation on what the injury is and how 76 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 3: serious it is. 77 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: Ye. 78 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the speculation or the 79 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,119 Speaker 1: trickle down or what happens next. I'll say this only 80 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: hours earlier, defensive coordinator Nick Ralis asked about bj and 81 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: answered in glowing terms. Talked about his skill set, his athleticism, 82 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: how much he was doing in the run game as 83 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: far as setting the edge, and we kind of forget 84 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: about that at the outside linebacker position, typically it's always 85 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. Well, you also have to make 86 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: sure that the run game, the opposing run game, is 87 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: not running over you, and you have to set the edge, 88 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes that can be a little bit more difficult 89 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: for the outside linebacker because it typically moved as opposed 90 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: to Okay, I want to get to the quarterback, but 91 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: my job right now is to make sure that that 92 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: running back is pushed towards the middle of the field. 93 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: So again, not quite sure. We'll hear from Jonathan Gannon 94 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: on Saturday ahead of the red and white practice. Still 95 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: might not know anything by then, But that was again, 96 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: that was the bad news on Friday. 97 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: Outside of that, Yeah, I asked for the good news first, So. 98 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: I liked everything I saw. There I go and let's 99 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: start with again. Gonna make everything now positive moving forward. 100 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: M I z z ou. 101 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: Darius Robinson looked amazing. I tweeted it earlier in cards 102 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: camp and I mentioned it earlier as well. That first 103 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: O line D line passerush drill in the first padded practice, 104 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: I overheard someone front office personnel member say Darius is 105 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: going to be a p and bird gang. He was 106 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: a problem on Friday during the O line D line drills. 107 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: He completely beat Jonah Williams on a play and then 108 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: he blew up Amari de Mericado on team versus team 109 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: to the point where Amari gets the handoff and immediately 110 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: there's fifty six. It was it was that quick. 111 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: Darius Robinson has looked every part of a first round 112 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: pick so far. He has looked strong and fast. You 113 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: can see the length when he is extending his arms 114 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 3: and he's working his way past these offensive linemen. And 115 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: I love seeing when when Robinson makes a play is 116 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 3: then he goes back and he runs back to the 117 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: group of his defensive lineman and they're all hyping him up. 118 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: And LJ. Collier was like jumping up with Robinson after 119 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: a one on one where Robinson won that battle. This 120 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 3: is what you want to see. This is this is 121 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 3: what you need to see from Robinson. And it's early. 122 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: This is only the second padded practice. You can still 123 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: get a look of what players are going to look like. 124 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: It'll be interesting if Robinson is able to earn a 125 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: starting role. He's had a few reps with the first team. 126 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: But this is also you're working in a rotation, right, 127 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: so it's not necessarily set in stone, especially this early 128 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: in training camp. It'll be interesting, though. There's all a 129 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: Despite being a first round pick, there's a lot of 130 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: names that Darius Robinson would have to work his way 131 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: past to become a starter. We also know that defensive 132 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: corner Nick rallis likes to have a heavy rotation. There 133 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: was a play call where there was only one down lineman. 134 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: So again, I wouldn't sit here and say, oh, if 135 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: Robinson isn't a starter, he didn't have a good camp, 136 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: he's not living up to expectations. The way this defense 137 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: is set. That does not That's not what I'm thinking. 138 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: Robinson had a very good practice here on Friday, and 139 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: it makes me excited to see again only second padded practice, 140 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: so it makes me very excited to see what he 141 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: can do moving forward as we're starting to get closer 142 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: to these preseason games. 143 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm not concerned whether he starts or not. It's only 144 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: the first play of the game that designates you as starter. 145 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Right now, let's pay attention to snap counts. What's the 146 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: snat percentage amongst those five or six defensive lineman because 147 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: staying healthy Justin Jones, Blon Nichols, Roy Lopez, Dante Stills 148 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: has looked good. Darius Robinson and then LJ. Collier the 149 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: forgotten one in that room because we only saw him 150 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: for less than half a game a year ago. But 151 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: he was one of the first re signings in free 152 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: agency before free agency began, and he has looked good. 153 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: Those are six names and you rotate however much, and 154 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: that's a good problem to have if you're Nick Rowlis 155 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: on that defensive front. Because the inability to stop the 156 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: run a year ago that was they's heel of this defense. 157 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: But if you're able to lessen that and make it 158 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: so Buddha Baker doesn't have to come up and help 159 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: those tackles on the run game, then maybe you get 160 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: some more balls or hands on balls as far as 161 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: the passes are concerned. 162 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: In the secondary, having someone like linebacker Mac Wilson Senior 163 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 3: also be able to come off the edge allows Buddha 164 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 3: Baker and Jalen Thompson to seller for the back room. 165 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: Or maybe we saw and we've seen him practice of 166 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: Baker moving down close to the line of scrimmage and 167 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 3: having Wilson Senior out on the edge there. It seems 168 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: like there's going to be a lot of options, not 169 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 3: just individually but also collectively as a defense. 170 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: LJ. 171 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: Collier I was thinking watching practice Friday, do we consider 172 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: a Collier like a new face because he got hurt 173 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 3: Week one and then wasn't able to practice all year, 174 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: so it wasn't like he was still getting the reps physically, 175 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: you know, so it's it's really new for him. I'd 176 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: ask him about it when he spoke with the media recently, 177 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: and not necessarily having a chip on his shoulder, more 178 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: so just excitement and readiness to get back out there 179 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: because he had carved out a role for himself as 180 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 3: a starter last year, had a really good camp coming 181 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: from Seattle, where I don't think the scheme really fit 182 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: his style of play, especially not as well as what 183 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 3: this one can. And the fact that this team brought 184 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: him back when he had limited game reps says a 185 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 3: lot about what the team says in hit season in 186 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: LJ Callier and Collier was very excited to have the 187 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: opportunity be back here, be healthy and get through a 188 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 3: camp and get ready for the season. 189 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: Again, and very appreciative of Manti Austin for to give 190 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: him another opportunity after again a wasted year. You're on 191 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: the field for less than a full game, yet the 192 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: team says, no, we want you back. We saw enough, 193 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: We still believe in you. We just need to make 194 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: sure you stay healthy. 195 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: We saw Collier at Friday's practice. It was a pressure 196 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: paired with Roy Lopez on Desmond the quarterback and led 197 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: to an interception for Mac Wilson Senior. 198 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: And that's something that you hope to see more because 199 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: I was at the line of scrimmage. It wasn't in 200 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: the secondary, but again another play that the defense blew 201 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: up and Max showing his athleticism and the ability to 202 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: as that inside linebacker to stay close to the line 203 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. And then earlier this week, I was talking 204 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: with you on the sideline during those pass rush drills, 205 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: you saw a Number two get some pass rush reps, 206 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: which we know he was able to do late last 207 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: season with the Patriots. I think that was going to 208 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: always be the plan for this defense. And then maybe 209 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: this Oujilari situation, I'm gonna call it a situation until 210 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: we get further updates on it, but that's another name 211 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: to throw in the mix as far as that linebacker 212 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: core on the second level of the defense. As far 213 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: as how to get pressure on the quarterback, because as 214 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: Rawlis spoke earlier on Friday about, yeah, you always want 215 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: to have sex and you want the hurries, the pressures 216 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: and knockdowns and all that, but how are you affecting 217 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback? Are you collapsing that pocket, so the quarterback 218 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: cannot step up, and I think that's what this defense 219 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: is looking for on a more consistent basis. You don't 220 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: want to be near the bottom third as far as 221 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: sack totals, because if that is the case, then that's 222 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: showing you're not affecting the opposing quarterback. 223 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: And I feel like those sack numbers can go up 224 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: when the rest of the defense is you're just doing 225 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: your job. If you are effective in the run of 226 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 3: the pass game, if you are forcing a little more 227 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 3: attention from your opponent, that's going to allow out your 228 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: pass rushers, whether that's an outside linebacker, whether that's a 229 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: mac Wilson senior, if you've got Buddha Baker, Jalen Thompson 230 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: come off the blitz, whatever that looks like. If your 231 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 3: defensive line is able to clog the holes and make 232 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: life difficult for your quarterback, that's going to make everyone 233 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: else's life around them easier in terms of getting to 234 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 3: the quarterback on their end. 235 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals did not have a very good sack total a 236 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: year ago. In fact, it was I believe thirtieth in 237 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: the league, and that's just something that you cannot have 238 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: happen if you want to be a top notch defense. 239 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: It was thirty three was the total number. And again 240 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: thirty that's that's just not a good number, ESPEC. Especially 241 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: what was it Jonathan Gannons last year in Philadelphia, didn't 242 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: the Eagles lead the league with like seventy plus It 243 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: was like seventy five or seventy seven. 244 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: Sex Cardinals had a hot start. It was a surprise 245 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: last year. It dropped off middle of the season. 246 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: Just that one sack of the last six games. 247 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: Which was just forcing justin fields out of bounds. 248 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: One other defensive note before we get to the offensive 249 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: highlights on Friday, and that is Garrett Williams, who continues, 250 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: by the way, that battle between he and Greg Dortch 251 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: is fun to watch if you're able to get out 252 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: here to State Farm Stadium during Cards camp. But Garrett 253 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: Williams a year ago, slow start, no offseason, no training camp, 254 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: comes in first game against the Seahawks in interception, played 255 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: a lot of nickel corner works with the safeties, still 256 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: is working with the safeties out here at State Farm Stadium. 257 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: Yet how many times have we seen him as the 258 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: second cornerback on the field opposite Sean Murphy bunting, we're 259 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: seeing Garrett play more outside corner versus inside. 260 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: That has been one of the bigger surprises of training 261 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: camp to me. I was not expecting to see Garrett 262 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: Williams outside as much as we already have. Williams missed 263 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: the first half of the season last year, so as 264 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: a rookie and coming back and again not having a 265 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: full off season because you're rehabbing. It's similar to Kyler 266 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: in a sense of Kyler Murray was only able to 267 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: grasp so much of the new offense when he was 268 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: having to just get mental reps. And then when you're 269 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: thrown into the fire in the middle of the season, 270 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: you can only adjust things so often because you're also 271 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: having to game plan, whereas the off season allows you 272 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: to really look at things as a whole and make 273 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: changes for what you're comfortable with. Learning that it was 274 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: always the plan to have Garrett Williams play outside is interesting. 275 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: It makes sense that for a rookie again not playing 276 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: a full season and coming off an injury, Okay, let's 277 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: keep him one spot, Let's keep him inside, really make 278 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: sure he's understanding the playbook, building up his confidence and 279 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: Williams looked good. He had a pick in Seattle on 280 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: his first career game. 281 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: He has looked. 282 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: Good outside as well, and in more situations than not, 283 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: has been one of your starting cornerback when you've only 284 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: got two out there, which is pretty telling. I had 285 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: asked Gannon what the difference is or what's really needed 286 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 3: to be able to play both inside and outside. What 287 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: the differences are, and in terms of the difference, Gannon 288 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: was saying, it's your focus window. And then defensive cornerator 289 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: Nick Rallis reinforced this that Garrett Williams is able to 290 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: do both because of his intelligence. Not only does he 291 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: have the physical skill sets, he has the smarts. And 292 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: considering the stories we've heard of Williams at the Combine 293 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: in his meeting and the impact he left, doesn't surprise 294 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: me that that is the first trait that is mentioned 295 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: about Williams as always, how smart he is and how 296 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: well he understands and comprehends the game and what's going 297 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: on around him. 298 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: Well, Syracuse only accepts the best of the best. 299 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: Has that been true for the last like forty years? 300 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Though, Craig, come on, that's a low blow right there. 301 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: I'm sorry the last thirty years. 302 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: Yes, Garrett Williams went to refine. 303 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: See you can give me the miz. I can't even 304 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 3: think Syracuse, right, come on. 305 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: I am curious because I don't think I don't think 306 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: we'll see a lot of that two cornerback look from 307 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: this defense, just because offenses in this day and age 308 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: are going to have three four wide receivers on the field, 309 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: so you're gonna need that fifth defensive back. And if 310 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: that's the case, then okay, it's Starling Thomas, or it's 311 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: Max Meltin, another rookie that has really stepped up his 312 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: game and could be one of those guys in a 313 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: year or two as CB one and now as you 314 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: project Garrett Williams on one side, Max Milton on the 315 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: other side, that's something that this team could now grow 316 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: over the next five, seven, eight years. A strong sign 317 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: for the last two draft classes as the foundation for 318 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: what Monty Austin Ford and Jonathan Gannon want to do 319 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: with this team. 320 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: You talked about the Greg Dortch Garrett Williams matchups, the 321 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior and the Max Melton matchups have been 322 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 3: just as exciting to watch. I mean, Melton is holding 323 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: his own against Harrison. It's been exciting to watch and look, 324 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 3: Harrison has still made incredible catches, but Melton has been 325 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: putting up a fight and has looked good doing it. 326 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: And that's been another fun battle to watch when you're 327 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 3: talking about a dB and a wide receiver. 328 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: They matched up twice. Talking about Marvin and Max in college, 329 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: Max coming from Rutgers and again talking about holding his own. 330 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: I got his numbers in front. Four catches for twenty 331 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: five yards, two touchdowns. That was in twenty twenty three, 332 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: three catches eighteen yards and a touchdown in twenty twenty two. 333 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: Those were Marvin's numbers. I don't know how many times 334 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: they were matched up in those particular instances in college, 335 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: but those are pedestrian numbers for Marvin Harrison junior. 336 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: When Max Meltin was drafted in April, and he did 337 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: his phone call immediately after with the local media and 338 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: was talking about Marvin Harrison Junior and said, yeah, I 339 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 3: went up a get against him twice. I don't know 340 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: if he remembers me. And then we hear from Marvin 341 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 3: Harrison Junior earlier in the week and I had asked 342 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: about Max Meltin and the first thing Harrison said was, yeah, 343 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 3: I went up against him twice in college, and you 344 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: know how well he played against me there, and Harrison saying, 345 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 3: not a lot of cornerbacks were willing to press me 346 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: in college, and he was one of the few who 347 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: was willing to do it. I just thought that was 348 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 3: kind of cute that Max melt was like, I don't 349 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 3: even know if he remembers me, and Marvin Harrison Junior 350 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, I remember. 351 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: By the way, if you haven't all ready to invite 352 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: you to take a listen to Max Melton on The 353 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: Big Red Rage this past week, a great interview with 354 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: Paul Calvic. So you love the confidence and a youngster, 355 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: but you have to have that confidence, especially at that position. 356 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: And speaking of Marvin, he nearly had perhaps the greatest 357 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: catch ever at State Farm Stadium, a big maybe I'm 358 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: a prisoner in the moment here if he had come down. 359 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: It was seven on seven and the pass was high, 360 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: but he went up, stretched as high as he could, 361 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: got his hand on the football, tried to pull it 362 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: into his chest one handed, and nearly had it came down, 363 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: ball falls to the ground and it was one of 364 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: those players like I almost expected Marvin to make that catch, 365 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 1: even as difficult as it was. Were already spoiled with 366 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: what he can do, even though he has yet to 367 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: play a regular season game for the Cardinals. But that 368 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: just shows you the athleticism and then the oohs and 369 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: oz on the sideline for nearly completing the play. 370 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: He was grabbing the ball as he was coming down, 371 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: so he was really extending his arm and there were 372 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: two defenders. Yes, so throw that in the mix. It 373 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: was even though he didn't make the catch, it was 374 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: still impressive and a glimpse into what I think the 375 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 3: future holds. 376 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: The big play, big pass play was a nice Kyler 377 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: Murray deep ball to Michael Wilson, who I think he's 378 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: going to find himself open more times than not because 379 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: of the attention that Marvin's can have on most by 380 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: most defenses. And then those same defenses have to account 381 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: for James Connor in the backfield and another player that 382 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: we haven't talked a lot about in Cards camp. We 383 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: forget Trey McBride. 384 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: I was just going to sign and forget Trey McBride. 385 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: I was just about to add his name into the mix. 386 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: So you have those four plus the great dorts to 387 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: say Jones. 388 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: Greg Dortch has looked really nice at camp. It's say 389 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 3: Jones has had some great catches as well. I I 390 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 3: try not to, you know, over hype everything because it 391 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 3: is training camp. We've only had two padded practices. The 392 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 3: offense really does look elevated, The defensive line really looks upgraded. 393 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 3: The secondary looks stronger than at least I was expecting 394 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 3: to see this early in camp. It I'm not just 395 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: blowing smoke it. The offense as a whole, especially really 396 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 3: looks sharp. 397 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: James Connor looks sharp. 398 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: And here's what Elijah Jones say the same thing. 399 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that was if we have an opportunity 400 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: to speak with Elijah Jones. 401 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 3: That might be as welcome to the NFL moment. When 402 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: James Connor, he didn't like truck him, right because they're 403 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 3: in pads, right, but they're they're. 404 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 1: Elijah got in the way, yes, and Jeeves to go 405 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: somewhere you're not don't be a way for six and 406 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: Elijah was kind of in the way. But James Connor, 407 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: a veteran in this league, scheduled to be a free agent. 408 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: Yet you would not know it. He is practicing as 409 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: if he is fighting for not a role within the offense, 410 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: but a roster spot. And he has looked smooth, he 411 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: has looked fast, and he is one hundred He goes 412 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: one hundred percent on every single rep, whether that is 413 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 1: seven on seven or a team session, and it's just 414 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: a I don't know how to put it into words. 415 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: He just he is practicing and performing differently. And this 416 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: is someone who's coming off a career a year and 417 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: typically you wouldn't think that, especially in training camp, you 418 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: can take some plays off or a day off, or 419 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: not be playing in the preseason. I don't need to 420 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: see James in the preseason at all, but he has 421 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: looked outstanding considering where he has done and where he 422 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: wants to be headed. 423 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: Doesn't surprise me light as that that would be his mindset. 424 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: I would almost argue, though, James Connor is not fighting 425 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: for a spot on the team, He's not fighting to 426 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 3: be your starter. I think he is reconfirming that he 427 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 3: can be a bulldozer in the backfield. Offensive coordinator Drew 428 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 3: Petsing when I'd asked about Trey Benson recently and the 429 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: possibility of splitting the workload more than in the past, 430 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 3: since Benson and Connor do have similar body types in 431 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: a similar running style, and Petsing said, you're gonna have 432 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 3: to earn your reps. If someone's earning their reps, they're 433 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 3: gonna get playing time. While I'm not saying it's a 434 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: competition and it's James Connor versus Trey Benson and you 435 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 3: can only have one and they can't split reps, do 436 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 3: you think to a certain extent, James Connor is maybe 437 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 3: in the back of his mind thinking, I got to 438 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: prove to them I can still handle the workload if 439 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: that's what they want, and if that's what I want, 440 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: I got to prove to them that I can still 441 00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 3: handle it. 442 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: This coaching staff and we had a chance to speak 443 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: with Autry Denson earlier on Friday on the Red Sea 444 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: Report and mention that this coaching staff, when they first 445 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: got here, they like to have a first and second 446 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: down running back and then a third down running back. 447 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: James has shown that he can be that three down back. 448 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: This coaching staff, though, unless necessary, wants to preserve a 449 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: little of that snaps if you will, so James doesn't 450 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: have to do it all, no one likes to come 451 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: off the field. But the philosophy of this coaching staff 452 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: is now we need two to three backs because James, 453 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: when we need you in that fourth quarter and we're 454 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: not taking you off the field, that's when we need 455 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: you at your. 456 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 3: Best, that's the safe bet. That's what honestly, that's what 457 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 3: I would want out of both sides. I want to 458 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 3: have a running back like James that gets better the 459 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: more he gets tackled, the more the game goes on, 460 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 3: and wants and thrives off that contact, wants the ball. 461 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 3: And I also want a coaching staff that can understand, Okay, 462 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: we need to have some sort of limit to preserve 463 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: your body for the longevity. 464 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: Now, it doesn't matter how well or any running back 465 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: performs if that offensive line is not doing its job. 466 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: Yell to Frold did not practice on Friday, although I 467 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: did see him earlier. Doesn't seem to be serious. As 468 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: we mentioned off the top, but without Fold on the field, 469 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of Evan Brown at. 470 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 3: Center and who else Craig. 471 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: And then that opens up the spot at left guard. 472 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: And I'll say this and I've been saying it thanks 473 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: to you, John Gaines is going to make this team. 474 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: He is either going to be a starting left guard 475 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: or he's going to be your backup at the left 476 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: guard right guard center position. 477 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: There have been a couple rotations, which again makes sense, 478 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 3: trying to figure out who looks best, where looks best 479 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: next to whom. So it's really been the rookie Isaiah 480 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 3: Adams and John Gaines filling in at left guard. And 481 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: we were talking before or we started rolling on this episode. 482 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: John Gaines looked good and he also didn't catch my 483 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: eye in terms of doing anything bad, which if you're 484 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 3: an offensive lineman means you're playing well, you don't want 485 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 3: to get called on or picked on right have your 486 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: name mentioned because you're getting beat consistently or badly. Not 487 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: the case with John Gaines. And it really seems he 488 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: truly is becoming less limited as time goes on, which 489 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 3: is what Gannon had told us even between the first 490 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 3: and handful of practices in the first week of training camps, 491 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 3: he was going to be limited. And then someone followed 492 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 3: up a few days later and he said he's less limited. 493 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 3: So that's good. 494 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: I did. 495 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: I asked a question about John Gaines in a recent 496 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 3: press conference to Gannon, I believe, or maybe to pet 497 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 3: saying I couldn't even tell you a day of the 498 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 3: week it is, so I apologize that I can't off 499 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 3: the top of my head which one it was. But 500 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 3: one of the comments online was somebody saying like, essentially, 501 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 3: way to go Dan and get into question about John 502 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: Gains leading his fan club. 503 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: So no, it's go me. He is. He was one 504 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: of those players that I think there was a question 505 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: mark about him coming into camp. Was there going to 506 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: be a spot for him? Well, he has answered that 507 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: definitively he is on this team. 508 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: We also have seen some work at center, so it's 509 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: not like he's just a set guard, and Gannon had 510 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: said he can play all the interior positions, so it'll 511 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 3: be interesting. We need to still get answers on yell 512 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 3: def a Holt just being told essentially, don't worry. It 513 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 3: is really not a lot of answers. But I do 514 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: think that it is a good opportunity for Games to 515 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 3: show what he can do, because any way you can 516 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 3: earn a spot on this team, you got to do it. 517 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: Last topic here on Cardinals cover two presented by Hyundai 518 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. The red and white 519 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: practice is on Saturday. A week from Saturday is the 520 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: first preseason game that is against the New Orleans Saints. 521 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: And with the red and white practice coming up on Saturday, 522 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: NFL officials have been in training camp the past couple 523 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: of days. Craig Rolstat NFL referee, twenty two years in 524 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: the league, the last eleven as a referee. He gave 525 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: a presentation on Friday. We heard from Special teams coordinator 526 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: Jeff Rodgers on Friday. This is on the heels of 527 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game in which we all saw 528 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: the first ever dynamic kickoff. That's what the league is 529 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: calling this. It's not the new kickoff, it's the dynamic kickoff. 530 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: There were eight in that Hall of Fame game, only 531 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: one touchback. And listening to Jeff Rodgers talk about, Hey, 532 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: what are you doing, how are you preparing? What do 533 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: you think? What do you know? He knows nothing. I 534 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: don't think anyone knows anything. And this is going to 535 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: be something that is evaluated throughout preseason. But how much 536 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: do teams show in the preseason do they want to 537 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: save something? So the first four or five weeks of 538 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: the regular season is going to be one said rules, 539 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: not rules, but one set of philosophies, and then okay, 540 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: that's not working, that is working, and then you have 541 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: to adjust. And I think it's going to be something 542 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: that happens on a weekly basis. 543 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: Dynamic also describes what teams are going to be doing 544 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: every week. Rogers was saying the Hall of Fame game 545 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 3: was a great example of teams trying out different strategies. 546 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 3: You had one team as the kickoff team that was 547 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: keeping their eyes on the ball looking or the receiving 548 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 3: team rather keeping their eye on the returner and having 549 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: their head turn, and then you had another team that 550 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: was keeping their eyes forward and essentially waiting for the 551 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: kicking team to start moving. And I think it's just 552 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 3: going to be something that's going to be fluid week 553 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: after week and fluid through the preseason. In terms of 554 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 3: even deciding what type of returners do you want, we've 555 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 3: seen a different of body types. We've seen a DJ Dallas, 556 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 3: who Rogers said, he's very glad they don't have to 557 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 3: worry about tackling him in Seattle anymore, or a Greg 558 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: Dortch Xavier Weaver who is taller and leaner Michael Wilson. 559 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: There's been a range, and I understand Rogers not really 560 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: having answers because he probably doesn't have them himself. The 561 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,239 Speaker 3: best way, the true, best way you can get an 562 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: idea of what works and what you want to do 563 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 3: are game reps. They're obviously not getting that right now, 564 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 3: so the second best thing are padded practices. The Cardinals 565 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 3: have only had two, so you can really only get 566 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 3: so much of an idea of what you want to do. 567 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 3: That is something though. I think that's going to make 568 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 3: the preseason games a little more exciting than maybe they 569 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 3: have in the past. 570 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: What personnel do you want on the field for returning, 571 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: for coverage, How do you want to kick the ball? 572 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: How do you set the ball up on the tee? 573 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: You cannot have it sideways. Some teams were practicing that. 574 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: The NFL saw it and put out a memo and saying, yeah, no, 575 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: it has to be placed up and down. But how 576 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: do you place it up and down? Rogers even brought 577 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: up dropkicks, like all these different versions of a knuckleball 578 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: to figure out to make it more difficult when it 579 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: lands for that return person to field it cleanly. Otherwise 580 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: it's a live ball, and if it goes in the 581 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: end zone after touching inside the twenty yard line the 582 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: landing zone, that's a live ball and if you down 583 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: it now it goes to the twenty. So the incentive 584 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: is to return everything that is in that landing zone 585 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: between the zero and twenty. 586 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: I think, at least on a personal level, this is 587 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 3: Jared's still gonna take a couple of dynamic kickoffs to 588 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 3: see in person and kind of see, okay, this just happened. 589 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 3: What does it mean again? 590 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: Right? 591 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: Like it's at least for me, like I'm a visual learner, 592 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: so I can see all this, but it's like once 593 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 3: you see it with your eyes, oh okay, that'll click 594 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: a little better. 595 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Rollsta. I was talking about touch back twenty and 596 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: touch back thirty, and it's like, what's the touchback twenty? 597 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: And then you explain it. If you ball lands in 598 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: the landing zone, goes into the end zone and the 599 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: receiving team downs it, normal, well, the play's dead, but 600 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: you get at the twenty. 601 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 3: Instead of a question I hadn't thought about that was 602 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 3: asked was how far can the kicker go? Not past 603 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 3: the fifty? 604 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: And that's something I did not know either. 605 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 3: That hadn't even crossed my mind. 606 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: You're the last line of defense and you're stuck at 607 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 1: the fifty yard line. 608 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 3: And then also on side kicks, those are pretty different 609 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: and fourth quarter only. You can only do an onside 610 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 3: kick if you are losing. You have to declare it 611 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 3: so that you're aware. And then also if you declare 612 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 3: for an on side kick, then you kick it deep, 613 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 3: you get penalized. 614 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: So you could have if you're the if you're the 615 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: hands team, you could have all eleven. 616 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you don't have to keep anyone deep. 617 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: No, yeah, at that point, it's the formation looks like 618 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: the old kickoff. When you're doing you declare on sides, 619 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: you go to the old kickoff rules, except for you 620 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: kick it deep. Well, it's at the forty yard line. Yes, 621 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be fine. 622 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 3: Look alive, Craig. 623 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: I wonder how much we'll see that dynamic kickoff during 624 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: the Red and White practice on Saturday, or do we 625 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: have to wait until the preseason opener. 626 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: Are they pads? 627 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,959 Speaker 1: They might be I don't know if they are full pads. 628 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: It might be shells spiders. Okay, although Gannon did say 629 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: that they were going to bang two days Friday and Saturday. 630 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: That's true. We'll have to see all right, bird Gang. 631 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: If you want to head out to State Farm Stadium again, 632 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: go to Aisycardinals dot com forward slash camp tics that is, 633 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: asycardinals dot com Forward slash camp ticks ti x to 634 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: sign up for free parking and fridge free tickets as well. 635 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: And if you're out here on Saturday, come say hello 636 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: to Danny. She likes to hear from the bird Gang. 637 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 3: Sure does. 638 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: Come on, say hi, Come say hi. And it's air 639 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: conditioned too. I don't even know what the weather is 640 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: supposed to be, but it's air conditioned, so there's no 641 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: reason not to come on Saturday. 642 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 3: Agreed. 643 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: And then, of course, if you happen to message, go 644 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: to asycardinals dot com for all of the highlights and 645 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: interviews that will follow as well. And on that note, 646 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals 647 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: Covered two, presented by Hyundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 648 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mamahudre 649 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: our associate producer Cody Fitcher. For Danny Sirek, I'm craig 650 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: Ria Lou We'll talk to you next time hereon Cardinals 651 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: Cover two.