WEBVTT - #835 Packers Unscripted: Wrapping up

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. Coming to you here

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<v Speaker 1>from our studios at lambeau Field for our final show

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<v Speaker 1>of the off season, as the Packers are wrapping up

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<v Speaker 1>Mini camp this week, which wraps up their off season

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<v Speaker 1>program and Wes a lot of topics to get to here,

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<v Speaker 1>but a couple that involve some stories that we've written

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<v Speaker 1>there on packers dot com for those who want to

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<v Speaker 1>read catch up on the details. A really interesting piece

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<v Speaker 1>of news on Tuesday, when the players are going through

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<v Speaker 1>the individual drills, they're separated into all the different position groups,

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<v Speaker 1>and suddenly Number eighty in a white jersey is working

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<v Speaker 1>with all of the cornerbacks in their green jerseys during

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<v Speaker 1>individual drills, and we are all on the sidelines going,

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<v Speaker 1>what in the world is going on? Well, bou Melton.

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<v Speaker 1>They're experimenting a little bit here with bou Melton, the

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver and maybe maybe also a cornerback.

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<v Speaker 2>What I enjoyed the most about that is it's not

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<v Speaker 2>uncustomary to see the defensive backs and receivers working together

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<v Speaker 2>during individual periods. I remember all the times for years

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<v Speaker 2>it would be like Jyry, Alexander Romeo Dobbs be working

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<v Speaker 2>off to the side together because they weren't involved in

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<v Speaker 2>the special teams period or whatever. So I wasn't sure

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<v Speaker 2>at first. It was, Hey, does Bou Melton have to

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<v Speaker 2>go down there because they're going to try to run

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<v Speaker 2>a specific type of route stem against the corners. And

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<v Speaker 2>then next thing you know, it's like, oh, no, Bo

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<v Speaker 2>Melton's in a back pedal right now, I dude, every

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<v Speaker 2>I said this in three things, but it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>almost every year there's something that catches your eye. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Magoo going from quarterback to wide receiver. You go

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<v Speaker 2>back twelve years ago, Mike Neil showing up for training

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<v Speaker 2>camp thirty pounds later than he ended the previous season. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>mini camp from the previous season, and James Looney moving

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<v Speaker 2>from defensive line to tight end, and the Packers have

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<v Speaker 2>done some Herb Waters going from receiver to cornerback. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of different things that have happened over the time here,

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<v Speaker 2>but this one's a little bit different because, as Bo said,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a receiver, he is a wide receiver. This

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<v Speaker 2>whole experiment they're doing was made with the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>he is still going to be a wide out. Now

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<v Speaker 2>that being said, if it works, it works to use

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<v Speaker 2>Bo's own language, So some interesting backstory to this. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>his younger brother, Max, was a second round pick pick

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<v Speaker 2>plays cornerback for the Arizona Cardinals. They saw each other

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<v Speaker 2>last year in that Week six matchup between the two teams.

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<v Speaker 2>Bo mentioned he played two ways like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>high school kids do, you know, back in his early

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<v Speaker 2>football days, but you know, kind of flirted with cornerback

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit when he got on campus at Rutgers,

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<v Speaker 2>but ultimately they kept him at receiver and that's where

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<v Speaker 2>he's played in the NFL up and at this point

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<v Speaker 2>he's been in Green Bay now for two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half years. So we'll see where it all goes. But certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're looking for different storylines to follow during a

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<v Speaker 2>mini camp in June, there's not a whole heck of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot else going on. Bull Melton was a very

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<v Speaker 2>popular man in the Packers interview room on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been an interesting, interesting topic to discuss this week,

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<v Speaker 1>and as you said, we will see where this goes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the kind of thing that, at least right now,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, and maybe it's because I'm the old curmudgeon here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not something I take too seriously at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>And by saying I'm not taking it seriously, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying that it's some kind of a jokeror whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just looking at it as this is highly experimental

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<v Speaker 1>in what they're doing. Now, if we get to training

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<v Speaker 1>camp and they're putting on pads in training camp and

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<v Speaker 1>Bull Melton is taking eleven on eleven reps at cornerback,

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<v Speaker 1>or if he gets into a preseason game at cornerback

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<v Speaker 1>and he's out there guarding somebody at wide receiver in

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<v Speaker 1>the third or fourth quarter of a preseason game in August,

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<v Speaker 1>now we're having a different discussion about exactly what his

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<v Speaker 1>path potentially to a roster spot is. So very much

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<v Speaker 1>wait and see to to see where this ends up going.

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<v Speaker 1>But certainly an interesting story. Another one we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>him a little bit on the show. Mkole Hardman, the

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<v Speaker 1>free agent wide receiver who was signed by the Packers.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about a week to ten days or so

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<v Speaker 1>into free agency, like right in that range and he

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<v Speaker 1>has made I guess I would say probably the two

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<v Speaker 1>biggest highlight reel plays of the first two practices of

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<v Speaker 1>Mini Camp. As the time we're recording this, we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>gotten out to the practice field for the final Mini

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<v Speaker 1>Camp practice yet, but the two minute drill at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of each practice has been really the only eleven

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<v Speaker 1>on eleven that's been full speed and competitive, not at

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<v Speaker 1>the three quarter jog through type of speed. And at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of those two minute drills, Mikole Hardman has

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<v Speaker 1>made a couple of amazing plays with Sean Clifford at quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a desperation fourth down or or last play

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<v Speaker 1>with the clock running out kind of thing. He's amidst

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<v Speaker 1>all these bodies in the middle of the end zone

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<v Speaker 1>and jumps up and hauls in Clifford's pass one hand

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<v Speaker 1>for a touchdown. And then on Tuesday, he's in the

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<v Speaker 1>two minute drill with the number one offense in Jordan Love,

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<v Speaker 1>and Love gets off an incredible throw against the blitz

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<v Speaker 1>and Hardman with his speed has beaten the defense deep

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, runs under a perfectly thrown ball right

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<v Speaker 1>over the shoulder, takes to the house, ends up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>right around a seventy five yard touchdown. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with what's going on in this receiver room, we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it so much, with the guys coming back. You

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<v Speaker 1>sign a guy like Hardman, you spend two of your

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<v Speaker 1>first three draft picks at wide receiver, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievably competitive through training camp in the preseason to see

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<v Speaker 1>how this roster shakes out. But man, McCole Hardman, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't make a better impression in June than a veteran

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<v Speaker 1>guy coming into a brand new team and what he's

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<v Speaker 1>showing out there on the field right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's absolutely stacked and loaded position right So for

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<v Speaker 2>Hardman signing and then the Packers drafting in the first round,

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<v Speaker 2>in the third round guys at his position, that looks

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<v Speaker 2>like an arduous journey to trying to make a roster spot.

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<v Speaker 2>But it almost in some ways, even though Hardman has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of pelts on the walls, a three time

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<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl champion, in some ways it almost reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, back in twenty eighteen, Packers drafted three

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<v Speaker 2>wide receivers, but yet Jake Kumero still made himself undeniable

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<v Speaker 2>and ends up making the roster right at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of that camp. I mean, the Packers have shown time

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<v Speaker 2>and time again that if you make the plays, they

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<v Speaker 2>will make room for you. And mcole Hardman when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to making positive first impression was very visible out

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<v Speaker 2>on the field on both Tuesday and Wednesday. What impressed

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<v Speaker 2>me the most about that second catch when it was

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately a seventy three yard touchdown pass, which, like you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>the Sean Clifford play was at the end of a

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<v Speaker 2>two minute It was the last play they barely got

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<v Speaker 2>the snap off fourth down in nineteen or eleven whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It was well play that they were able to pull

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<v Speaker 2>off with Jordan Love was also with the offense up

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<v Speaker 2>against it way back in their own territory after a sack.

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<v Speaker 1>And Halfley was coming after him. He was sending, he

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<v Speaker 1>was sending blitz's play after play in that two minute drill.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and that was one of the things too.

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<v Speaker 2>Xavier McKinney wasn't ranging in the center field. He blitzed

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<v Speaker 2>once got a sack. Was part of the other package. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Lucas van Espien right up there in Love's face, a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of debate about whether or not he got

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<v Speaker 2>home or not. But for Love to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>unfurl that pass and for Hartman to look through traffic,

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<v Speaker 2>he had both Evan Williams and Gregory Junior on him

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<v Speaker 2>pulling that ball in and keeping his stride. It could

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<v Speaker 2>not have worked out any better when it comes to plays.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as covering mini camp in the heart of

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<v Speaker 2>the offseason program, it's about as pretty as you're gonna find.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I want to say a couple of things too,

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<v Speaker 1>with regard to McCole Hardman and his professionalism. He actually

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have any idea when he signed that he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the oldest wide receiver in that position group.

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<v Speaker 1>That actually kind of surprised him.

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<v Speaker 2>But in Green Bay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I detail some of this in the story

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<v Speaker 1>that I have up on packers dot com. So he signs.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it was March twentieth when when the signing

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<v Speaker 1>was official, So a little more than a month later,

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers draft two wide receivers in the first three rounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Not exactly the situation he thought he was walking into

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of trying to make the roster, because the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers didn't sign any of the big name wide receivers

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<v Speaker 1>in those first few days of free agents. They end

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<v Speaker 1>up getting him sort of in Week two of free agency,

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<v Speaker 1>but then they invest two of these top draft picks,

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<v Speaker 1>two of the high draft picks at wide receiver. But

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<v Speaker 1>what does Hardman do. He actually texts both of those guys,

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Goldman Saveon Williams, like, you know, and Hardman hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even been in Green Bay, but he texted them like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>congratulations on getting drafted, you know, welcome to Green Bay.

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<v Speaker 1>Like let you know, hey, let's go, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can't you can't be more professional than

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<v Speaker 1>that to reach out to these guys that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be competing with and guys that you didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know you were going to be competing with, and extending

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like that you know, that veteran hand to

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<v Speaker 1>say to say, hey, let's you know, let's go, let's

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<v Speaker 1>do this together. The other thing I'll say from that

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<v Speaker 1>Monday practice, he makes the great one handed catch in

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<v Speaker 1>traffic in the end zone on a throw from Sean

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<v Speaker 1>Clifford McCole. Hardman's a seven year veteran who's got three

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl rings and scored an overtime touchdown in the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl to win one one of the most historic

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<v Speaker 1>touchdowns in NFL history. But he's not out there saying

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<v Speaker 1>what am I doing out here with the number three quarterback?

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<v Speaker 1>In a two minute drill? What does he do? He

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<v Speaker 1>goes out there, makes a play. You know, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>professionalism of a player like McCole Hardman. And while I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there's any guarantee because of how crowded things

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<v Speaker 1>are and you never know how these things are going

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<v Speaker 1>to sort themselves out with the roster, there's certainly no

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee that Mikole Hardman makes the fifty three. At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of training camp. It will be a fight, it

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<v Speaker 1>will be a battle, But you can't deny how professional

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is and what he has brought since he

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<v Speaker 1>arrived in Green and.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that he was as steadfast as he was.

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<v Speaker 2>There's sometimes guys will get drafted at a player's position.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll go to the front office and be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do something different. I just signed here.

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<v Speaker 2>That was under this It was under this standpoint. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go try to test the market again.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen that happen in places, but for Hardman, and

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<v Speaker 2>credit to him that he's willing to go that extra

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<v Speaker 2>mile prove that I'm going to show everybody that I

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<v Speaker 2>can still do this thing at the highest level. And

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<v Speaker 2>also it comes as no surprise to me whatsoever. I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to Kelsey Joan Tihan, our former social media

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<v Speaker 2>intern here who's now the social media manager of the

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas City Chiefs. Congratulations on that, Kelsey. Actually, Morgan Wallen

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<v Speaker 2>even wrote a song about her at one point as well. Really, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>be that as it may. Kelsey had told me the

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<v Speaker 2>moment the day, within hours of the Packers signing Hardman,

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, you are absolutely gonna love this guy. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we unfortunate we haven't been in the locker room because

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<v Speaker 2>of the renovations of the construction, so we haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>around these players as much as we usually have in

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<v Speaker 2>the spring and summer. Yeah, but that type of reference point,

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<v Speaker 2>and then hearing him speak and address the media on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>how comfortable he is in his own shoes. You can

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<v Speaker 2>tell that this is going to be a very popular

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<v Speaker 2>influence and a guy. I think that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a good addition to this locker room.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I want to get to a few more takeaways

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<v Speaker 1>All right. As I mentioned before, aside from the two

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<v Speaker 1>minute drills at the end of practice, when they have

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<v Speaker 1>been doing the eleven on eleven what are called the

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<v Speaker 1>team periods, they haven't been going full speed. It hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been fully competitive. It's been more of the jog through

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<v Speaker 1>the three quarter speed teaching speed whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to call it. So there isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in terms of evaluation. But what we do as

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<v Speaker 1>reporters is we're sort of we're watching personnel because it

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<v Speaker 1>gives you at least a little bit of an idea

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<v Speaker 1>of where things are with the depth chart and when

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<v Speaker 1>certain guys are injured and not practicing you're watching who's

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<v Speaker 1>stepping you know who's stepping up and filling in so

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<v Speaker 1>one depth chart item. I just want to point out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to make too big a deal

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<v Speaker 1>of it because it is only June and and training

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<v Speaker 1>camp will will certainly decide things. But with Aaron Banks,

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<v Speaker 1>the free agent left guard, not practicing in mini camp,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who has been playing left guard with the

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<v Speaker 1>number one offensive line this week has been Donovan Jennings,

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<v Speaker 1>and I find that interesting. It's one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>you make you make a note of it because because

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<v Speaker 1>last year, when Elton Jenkins went down with the shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>stinger or whatever you want to call it in the

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<v Speaker 1>playoff game, it wasn't Donovan Jennings that the Packers turned

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<v Speaker 1>to in that moment. They turn turned to some other guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that that's the spot he's in right

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<v Speaker 1>now in mid June, I think it's something that's worth watching.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Donovan Jennings was actually the undrafted rookie that I

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<v Speaker 2>had my eye on last year, heard a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>positive things about him coming out of South Florida, but

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately it was injured for most of the offseason program.

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<v Speaker 2>Right early in training Camp ends up spending the entire

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<v Speaker 2>season on the practice squad, and credit to him, decided

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<v Speaker 2>to stick on with the futures contract afterwards, and now

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<v Speaker 2>he's getting that opportunity once again. A very gregarious, pleasant fellow.

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<v Speaker 2>We still haven't had a chance to really get to

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<v Speaker 2>know him very well, but from everything that I've gathered,

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<v Speaker 2>and he comes with serious credentials at that guard position.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we talk so much about the Day three

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<v Speaker 2>picks and the Packers finding guys in seventh round that

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<v Speaker 2>could potentially become NFL players, we often overlook their history

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<v Speaker 2>at the undrafted route as well. I mean, when you

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<v Speaker 2>think back to the Lane Taylors of the world, a

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<v Speaker 2>really productive, hyper competitive guy out of Oklahoma State that

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't quite have all the measurables that NFL scouts

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to see, but then ends up playing eight nine

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<v Speaker 2>years in the NFL because he's just a football player.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jennings getting this shot, and you remember, there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>still a lot of depth there even without Aaron Banks

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<v Speaker 2>on the field. You know, you have Kadem Telford last

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<v Speaker 2>year was on the roster all season. They didn't turn

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<v Speaker 2>to him at that spot. They didn't look at some

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<v Speaker 2>of these other guys. They said, hey, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>take an extended look here at Jennings and certainly any

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<v Speaker 2>of those reps you can get, even if they is

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<v Speaker 2>the non contact, you know, shell practices of the offseason, right,

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<v Speaker 2>those are still a chance to make an impression and

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<v Speaker 2>show the coaches how far you've how far you've come.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, any other depth chart items that have caught your

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<v Speaker 1>eye this week as the off season program reps up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one thing. Oh okay, so two different parts

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<v Speaker 2>of this. The first one is, and I've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this is when we've been discussing the cornerback situation, you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing the wheels turn with the Packers mind and in

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Hafley's mind with how these cornerbacks are going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've talked about in some of your content with

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<v Speaker 2>Javon Buller being that nickel type cornerback option as well,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on where Nate Hobbs is playing, and in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>Hobbs wasn't on the practice field on Wednesday when we

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<v Speaker 2>were out there, so that afforded Bullard some spot, some

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<v Speaker 2>snaps in the slot. You have Keishawn Nixon that can

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<v Speaker 2>play inside or outside. So while people I understand that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're a little bit nervous, a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about what's all going to happen there. We were

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<v Speaker 2>talking with Evan Williams in the interview room on Wednesday

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<v Speaker 2>and he said he has no concerns whatsoever with this

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<v Speaker 2>cornerback room based on what the proven guys have shown

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<v Speaker 2>in the versatility of all those individuals. The packers can

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<v Speaker 2>move around a lot of pieces there if that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they want to do. And if I may close on this,

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned mchole Hardman earning opportunities. You know, doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>if he's with the threes or the twos. What happens

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times he makes a big play in

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<v Speaker 2>a twos threes period and in the two minute what

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<v Speaker 2>happened the next day, Mike, he was working with the.

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<v Speaker 1>Ones exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's what it comes down to. Matt Lafleur said

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<v Speaker 2>at the podium, He's like, a lot of this is

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<v Speaker 2>just finding people and giving them an opportunity. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>reading too much into this with you know, we're just

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<v Speaker 2>we're just trying to get a look at guys. But

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<v Speaker 2>the more you make an impression with those looks. That's

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<v Speaker 2>where you get into the second week of training camp.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where get the family night. That'shere you get to

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<v Speaker 2>that first preseason game against the Jets where now, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you start to see the pieces really start falling into

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<v Speaker 2>place and who's really separating himself from the pack.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the other the other note I'll make with

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<v Speaker 1>regard to kind of depth chart that has sort of

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's sort of been under the radar a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit and maybe it'll get more attention in training camp.

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously there's gonna be so much attention on the

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<v Speaker 1>competition at wide receiver and Jordan Morgan battling with Rashid

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<v Speaker 1>Walker at left tackle, with Sean Ryan at right guard

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<v Speaker 1>for starting spots there and those those are gonna be significant,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt about it. But watching watching the rotation, uh

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<v Speaker 1>with the edge rushers, Yes, but you said that any camp, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>this week because most of the time when it's when

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<v Speaker 1>it's the first unit, the two edge guys are Rashaan

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<v Speaker 1>Gary and lukecaus Faness. But we have seen, we have

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<v Speaker 1>seen some reps where kings Leannigbari is across from Hershawn

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<v Speaker 1>Gary or Brenton Cox Junior is across from Lucas van Ness.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw one yesterday where Baron Surrell, the rookie fourth

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<v Speaker 1>round draft pick, was across from Hershawn Gary. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers are going to want, in need a rotation of

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<v Speaker 1>those edge rushers. They want to have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>depth there. But what exactly is the pecking order going

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<v Speaker 1>to be at the end of training camp and as

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers head into week one. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>story that's worth watching because we're seeing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>mixing and matching going on here in the spring.

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<v Speaker 2>It is And the one thing I did take away

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<v Speaker 2>from though, I mean, Lucas Vans is going to get

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<v Speaker 2>every opportunity to show that he can own that starting

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<v Speaker 2>spot across from Hershauan Gary, Hunter Pursu's rotations have all

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<v Speaker 2>been starting with Vanas. In addition to the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>when you get to some of the two minute periods

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<v Speaker 2>with the dime or the pass nickeled formations, it's Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Gary lining up as a three ticket. It's Ben Lucas

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<v Speaker 2>Vans finally doing that after two years of us talk

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some shifting around, Yeah, that he's starting.

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<v Speaker 2>To get some of those opportunities those NASCAR looks, as

0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Dom Capers used to call, the where we have a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more speed on the field and not so many

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<v Speaker 2>defensive linemen. The Packers have a ton of options at

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<v Speaker 2>their edge rushing position right now. I think, you know

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<v Speaker 2>Brenton Cox junior the way that he finished last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Baron Sourrell has had a sack already in the team

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<v Speaker 2>periods that we've watched, So yeah, seeing who emerges from

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<v Speaker 2>that is going to be very interesting. In addition to

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<v Speaker 2>the fact with Quay Walker not practicing right now, with

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<v Speaker 2>some injuries things going on, You've seen Tyron Hopper calling

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<v Speaker 2>the defense. You've seen Edgrin Cooper calling the defense. We're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a lot of Isaiah Simmons in the number one periods.

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<v Speaker 2>The Packers know Isaiah McDuffie can handle those responsibilities, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're now giving some of those younger guys an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to show that they can, you know, wear that headset

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I should say, with regard to the edge rusher situation,

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<v Speaker 1>that another rookie draft pick, Colin Oliver, he has not

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<v Speaker 1>been practicing. He's been in the rehab group, an unspecial

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<v Speaker 1>fight injury. They don't you know, reveal injury details at

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<v Speaker 1>this stage of the off season, but certainly another guy

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<v Speaker 1>to watch come training camp, assuming everything's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>okay there, But we have not seen him on the

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<v Speaker 1>practice field this week. Last thing I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>to before before we go. You and I have talked

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<v Speaker 1>about you and I have talked about this on the sideline,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw you made You've made some comments on

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<v Speaker 1>social media that very much echoed some things that were

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<v Speaker 1>going through my head. No, no, not exactly on the

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<v Speaker 1>football field.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I thought they were just talking like shit.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have gained through just getting to watch two

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<v Speaker 1>OTA practices over the last couple of weeks and then

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<v Speaker 1>mini camp practices this week, I have gained a new appreciation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of hard to believe because of what

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<v Speaker 1>happened last year, but I will say I've gained a

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<v Speaker 1>new appreciation for just how savvy a move it was

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<v Speaker 1>by the Packers personnel department in how they acquired Malik

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<v Speaker 1>Willis as the backup quarterback for this football team. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is a guy who you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>won two games as a starter last year, a third

0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.879
<v Speaker 1>game in relief and almost won a fourth game in

0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 1>relief at the end of the season. But from our

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<v Speaker 1>perspective as reporters, like he got here so late that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't see Malik Willis in any eleven on eleven

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<v Speaker 1>in practice because once the regular season starts, reporters don't

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<v Speaker 1>get to watch the eleven on eleven in practice. So

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<v Speaker 1>this offseason ots in mini camp is the first time

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen Malik Willis take snap after snap in practice

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<v Speaker 1>and do his thing out there. And I could not

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<v Speaker 1>be more impressed with just how the ball comes out

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:51.240
<v Speaker 1>of his hand with just his command and poise and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a guy who he's you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>been able to use this offseason to obviously get to

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<v Speaker 1>a different place in the Packers offense than where he

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<v Speaker 1>was when he first derive. But my goodness, the for

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers, for the Packers' personnel department, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know exactly who it was, and maybe I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to ask Gooty sometime, and maybe it was

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<v Speaker 1>Gooty himself, But whoever was watching what was going on

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<v Speaker 1>last summer, and they they sensed and they knew that

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<v Speaker 1>Malik Willis was falling out of favor in Tennessee and

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<v Speaker 1>was not going to make that team, and they pounced

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<v Speaker 1>and offered a seventh round draft pick. Rather because the

0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Packers weren't high enough in the waiverclaim order to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for him to be released and try to claim him.

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<v Speaker 1>A quarterback like that, it's going to get clean before

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers would have a shot. They pounced on the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>They jumped on it. They offered a seventh round pick

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<v Speaker 1>and brought this guy in here, and man, oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, like what we've seen, what we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>from him on the practice field, getting to getting to

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<v Speaker 1>see him more of in a day after day type

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<v Speaker 1>of type of thing, I couldn't be I couldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>more impressed with that acquisition by the Green Bay Packer.

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<v Speaker 2>In the job that Tom Clements did last year, being

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<v Speaker 2>able to get him up to speed as quickly as

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<v Speaker 2>they did, and for Matt Lafleur to build a winnable

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<v Speaker 2>game plan with him. I mean, you remember he'd did

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<v Speaker 2>he did all this stuff in a matter of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>that he had to win those games that and that

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<v Speaker 2>was the difference really in the Packers season. If you

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<v Speaker 2>think back on it. I mean being able to get

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<v Speaker 2>off to the start that they did, and him kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stemming the tide there until they got Jordan Love

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<v Speaker 2>back the guy. I said this in Twitter yesterday. The

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<v Speaker 2>more I watch him, the less I understand why the

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<v Speaker 2>Titans were so hot about getting him out of Nashville.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't. I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>And again I'm gonna say the difficult part out loud here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is when people are always like, hey, you need

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<v Speaker 2>a veteran backup quarterback, and I've always pushed back against that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye look at what happened in Tennessee last year. They

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<v Speaker 2>signed Mason Rudolph. And to be honest with you, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't cover the Titans. I don't know their front office.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea why they signed Mason Rudolph last year.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you look at how they handled the preseason,

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<v Speaker 2>and Willis has talked about it as well as a

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<v Speaker 2>training camp, he was clearly the number three. They'd really

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<v Speaker 2>zeroed in on Mac and Rudolph being the backup. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what the circumstances were there. I don't Every

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<v Speaker 2>situation is different. I think the Packers have a really

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<v Speaker 2>good process here for developing and training quarterbacks with Matt Lafleur.

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<v Speaker 2>But for them to ship him out and then end

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<v Speaker 2>up with the number one overall pick and then draft

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<v Speaker 2>a quarterback again, it just it's mind boggling to me

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<v Speaker 2>from Green Bay standpoint, it was a godsend. And here's

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<v Speaker 2>the other aspect of it too, Mike, we know how

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<v Speaker 2>quarterbacks are going the NFL. If Malik Willis puts together

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<v Speaker 2>a decent training camp, puts together a decent preseason, good,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't even have to play the way he did last year,

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<v Speaker 2>but solid, he's going to get a contract next year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the way that position goes, and those contracts

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<v Speaker 2>for quarterbacks are going up. Daniel Jones got fourteen million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars this past year from Indianapolis. Do you know why

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<v Speaker 2>that matters? For the compensatory formula that could put you

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<v Speaker 2>right up to the top of the list for a

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<v Speaker 2>potential third round. So when people were asking all off

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<v Speaker 2>season about well they trade Malik Willis, why this is

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect insurance policy. In addition to the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>now he gets to be here, he has a good

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<v Speaker 2>working relationship with Jordan Love. You don't have to fast

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<v Speaker 2>forward through every great moment. Sometimes take a second to

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy them. Yeah, this is a really good position for

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<v Speaker 2>green Bay to be in, and Malik Willis calming. We

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<v Speaker 2>talked so much about Brandon McManus settling down the kicking job.

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<v Speaker 2>What Malik Willis did behind Jordan Love last year does

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<v Speaker 2>not get talked about nearly enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm very curious to see after the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five season what opportunity Malik Willis lands for himself

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<v Speaker 1>to potentially become a starting quarterback in this league again.

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<v Speaker 1>Because man, the tools, the tools are there and on

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<v Speaker 1>the pois green Bay. Green Bay was a green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>was a nice fresh start for him, a reset in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of coming in and knowing exactly where he fits.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's the backup, he's the number two and he

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<v Speaker 1>found found and had success. Yes, right away, When Malik

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<v Speaker 1>Willis gets his next fresh start, that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>worth watching. There's no doubt in my mind about.

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<v Speaker 2>That very much. So you and I need to get

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<v Speaker 2>to practice. I want to get out of here right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Justin Alan, who's back. If you ever, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a big viewer of Packers on scripted, Justin's back

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<v Speaker 2>as our producer after a one year sabbatical down in

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<v Speaker 2>South Bend, Indiana, we brought him back, so justin happy

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<v Speaker 2>to have you here. But I also want to mention

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<v Speaker 2>this is the last day for our intern, Olivia Grover

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<v Speaker 2>in the social media department. We've had some amazing interns

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<v Speaker 2>in my time here, but Mike dollar for dollar, pound

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<v Speaker 2>for pound. This past year in digital and social we

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<v Speaker 2>had probably my favorite crew of all time with Olivia,

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 2>with Anna Murphy Pochask who now works for Discover Osh Gosh,

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 2>also Hailey Treina and that goes out throughout the building.

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<v Speaker 2>But Live did a fantastic job here with us. Anna

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<v Speaker 2>did a fantastic job. Hailey dealt with all of our

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 2>bogus stuff withans it. As I get older, you've been

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<v Speaker 2>in the seat a little bit longer than me, the

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<v Speaker 2>more I appreciate what you know, those kiddos give us

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<v Speaker 2>for that year that they're with us and UH and

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:09.880
<v Speaker 2>then seeing them go on and spread their wings elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how kel ct Hans started, right, That's right, well,

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<v Speaker 2>social media intern.

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<v Speaker 1>In here now she's now she's running the running the

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<v Speaker 1>show in UH in Kansas City, and she's getting shout

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<v Speaker 1>outs from you on Packer's Unscripted.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the best we can do. Dick Bobery likes to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a name droper. I'm gonna drop names, but I

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<v Speaker 2>will say this, having Justin back, excited to have him

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<v Speaker 2>with us. I don't know how often he's actually going

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<v Speaker 2>to be working with us on the show, but having

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<v Speaker 2>him back in the building a fun thing as well. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's training a new intern Hannah, Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>going to be taking over the show. And then uh

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<v Speaker 1>and then yeah, she's gonna have to put up with

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<v Speaker 1>us for just.

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<v Speaker 2>In training people. Yeah, I feel like the oldest man

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<v Speaker 2>on earth. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, with that, we are gonna call it a rap

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<v Speaker 1>on this edition of Packers Unscripted and for the off

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<v Speaker 1>season on Packers Unscripted. We will be back at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>right around the start of training camp. We we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back in these chairs. We will fire up the microphones

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<v Speaker 1>and the cameras and get going again. But until then,

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<v Speaker 1>for Wes, I am Mike, thank you for tuning in everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will see you next time.