1 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. Coming to you here 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: from our studios at lambeau Field for our final show 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: of the off season, as the Packers are wrapping up 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: Mini camp this week, which wraps up their off season 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: program and Wes a lot of topics to get to here, 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: but a couple that involve some stories that we've written 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: there on packers dot com for those who want to 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: read catch up on the details. A really interesting piece 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: of news on Tuesday, when the players are going through 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: the individual drills, they're separated into all the different position groups, 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: and suddenly Number eighty in a white jersey is working 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: with all of the cornerbacks in their green jerseys during 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: individual drills, and we are all on the sidelines going, 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: what in the world is going on? Well, bou Melton. 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: They're experimenting a little bit here with bou Melton, the 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: wide receiver and maybe maybe also a cornerback. 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: What I enjoyed the most about that is it's not 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 2: uncustomary to see the defensive backs and receivers working together 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: during individual periods. I remember all the times for years 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: it would be like Jyry, Alexander Romeo Dobbs be working 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: off to the side together because they weren't involved in 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 2: the special teams period or whatever. So I wasn't sure 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: at first. It was, Hey, does Bou Melton have to 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: go down there because they're going to try to run 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: a specific type of route stem against the corners. And 28 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: then next thing you know, it's like, oh, no, Bo 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: Melton's in a back pedal right now, I dude, every 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: I said this in three things, but it seems like 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: almost every year there's something that catches your eye. Right, Yeah, 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: Alex Magoo going from quarterback to wide receiver. You go 33 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: back twelve years ago, Mike Neil showing up for training 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: camp thirty pounds later than he ended the previous season. Yeah, 35 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: mini camp from the previous season, and James Looney moving 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: from defensive line to tight end, and the Packers have 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: done some Herb Waters going from receiver to cornerback. A 38 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: lot of different things that have happened over the time here, 39 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: but this one's a little bit different because, as Bo said, 40 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: he is a receiver, he is a wide receiver. This 41 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: whole experiment they're doing was made with the idea that 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: he is still going to be a wide out. Now 43 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: that being said, if it works, it works to use 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: Bo's own language, So some interesting backstory to this. Obviously, 45 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: his younger brother, Max, was a second round pick pick 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 2: plays cornerback for the Arizona Cardinals. They saw each other 47 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: last year in that Week six matchup between the two teams. 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: Bo mentioned he played two ways like a lot of 49 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: high school kids do, you know, back in his early 50 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: football days, but you know, kind of flirted with cornerback 51 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: a little bit when he got on campus at Rutgers, 52 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: but ultimately they kept him at receiver and that's where 53 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 2: he's played in the NFL up and at this point 54 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: he's been in Green Bay now for two and a 55 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: half years. So we'll see where it all goes. But certainly, 56 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: when you're looking for different storylines to follow during a 57 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: mini camp in June, there's not a whole heck of 58 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: a lot else going on. Bull Melton was a very 59 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: popular man in the Packers interview room on Wednesday. 60 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been an interesting, interesting topic to discuss this week, 61 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: and as you said, we will see where this goes, 62 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing that, at least right now, 63 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: for me, and maybe it's because I'm the old curmudgeon here, 64 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: it's not something I take too seriously at this point. 65 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: And by saying I'm not taking it seriously, I'm not 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: saying that it's some kind of a jokeror whatever. But 67 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it as this is highly experimental 68 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: in what they're doing. Now, if we get to training 69 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: camp and they're putting on pads in training camp and 70 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: Bull Melton is taking eleven on eleven reps at cornerback, 71 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: or if he gets into a preseason game at cornerback 72 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: and he's out there guarding somebody at wide receiver in 73 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: the third or fourth quarter of a preseason game in August, 74 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: now we're having a different discussion about exactly what his 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: path potentially to a roster spot is. So very much 76 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: wait and see to to see where this ends up going. 77 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: But certainly an interesting story. Another one we've talked about 78 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: him a little bit on the show. Mkole Hardman, the 79 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: free agent wide receiver who was signed by the Packers. 80 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: It was about a week to ten days or so 81 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: into free agency, like right in that range and he 82 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: has made I guess I would say probably the two 83 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: biggest highlight reel plays of the first two practices of 84 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: Mini Camp. As the time we're recording this, we haven't 85 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: gotten out to the practice field for the final Mini 86 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: Camp practice yet, but the two minute drill at the 87 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: end of each practice has been really the only eleven 88 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: on eleven that's been full speed and competitive, not at 89 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: the three quarter jog through type of speed. And at 90 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: the end of those two minute drills, Mikole Hardman has 91 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: made a couple of amazing plays with Sean Clifford at quarterback, 92 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: kind of a desperation fourth down or or last play 93 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: with the clock running out kind of thing. He's amidst 94 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: all these bodies in the middle of the end zone 95 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: and jumps up and hauls in Clifford's pass one hand 96 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: for a touchdown. And then on Tuesday, he's in the 97 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: two minute drill with the number one offense in Jordan Love, 98 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: and Love gets off an incredible throw against the blitz 99 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: and Hardman with his speed has beaten the defense deep 100 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: and you know, runs under a perfectly thrown ball right 101 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: over the shoulder, takes to the house, ends up, you know, 102 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: right around a seventy five yard touchdown. And you know, 103 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: with what's going on in this receiver room, we've talked 104 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: about it so much, with the guys coming back. You 105 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: sign a guy like Hardman, you spend two of your 106 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: first three draft picks at wide receiver, it's gonna be 107 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: unbelievably competitive through training camp in the preseason to see 108 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: how this roster shakes out. But man, McCole Hardman, you 109 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: can't make a better impression in June than a veteran 110 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: guy coming into a brand new team and what he's 111 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: showing out there on the field right now. 112 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: And it's absolutely stacked and loaded position right So for 113 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: Hardman signing and then the Packers drafting in the first round, 114 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: in the third round guys at his position, that looks 115 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: like an arduous journey to trying to make a roster spot. 116 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: But it almost in some ways, even though Hardman has 117 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: a lot of pelts on the walls, a three time 118 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion, in some ways it almost reminds me 119 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: of you know, back in twenty eighteen, Packers drafted three 120 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: wide receivers, but yet Jake Kumero still made himself undeniable 121 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: and ends up making the roster right at the end 122 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: of that camp. I mean, the Packers have shown time 123 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: and time again that if you make the plays, they 124 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: will make room for you. And mcole Hardman when it 125 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: comes to making positive first impression was very visible out 126 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: on the field on both Tuesday and Wednesday. What impressed 127 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 2: me the most about that second catch when it was 128 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: ultimately a seventy three yard touchdown pass, which, like you mentioned, 129 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: the Sean Clifford play was at the end of a 130 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: two minute It was the last play they barely got 131 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: the snap off fourth down in nineteen or eleven whatever. 132 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: It was well play that they were able to pull 133 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: off with Jordan Love was also with the offense up 134 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: against it way back in their own territory after a sack. 135 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: And Halfley was coming after him. He was sending, he 136 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: was sending blitz's play after play in that two minute drill. 137 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: It was. 138 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: It was pretty amazing. 139 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that was one of the things too. 140 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: Xavier McKinney wasn't ranging in the center field. He blitzed 141 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: once got a sack. Was part of the other package. Yeah, 142 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: Lucas van Espien right up there in Love's face, a 143 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: little bit of debate about whether or not he got 144 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: home or not. But for Love to be able to 145 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: unfurl that pass and for Hartman to look through traffic, 146 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: he had both Evan Williams and Gregory Junior on him 147 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: pulling that ball in and keeping his stride. It could 148 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: not have worked out any better when it comes to plays. 149 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: As far as covering mini camp in the heart of 150 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: the offseason program, it's about as pretty as you're gonna find. 151 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I want to say a couple of things too, 152 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: with regard to McCole Hardman and his professionalism. He actually 153 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: didn't have any idea when he signed that he was 154 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: going to be the oldest wide receiver in that position group. 155 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: That actually kind of surprised him. 156 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: But in Green Bay. 157 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I detail some of this in the story 158 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: that I have up on packers dot com. So he signs. 159 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: I believe it was March twentieth when when the signing 160 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: was official, So a little more than a month later, 161 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: the Packers draft two wide receivers in the first three rounds. 162 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: Not exactly the situation he thought he was walking into 163 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: in terms of trying to make the roster, because the 164 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: Packers didn't sign any of the big name wide receivers 165 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: in those first few days of free agents. They end 166 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: up getting him sort of in Week two of free agency, 167 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: but then they invest two of these top draft picks, 168 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: two of the high draft picks at wide receiver. But 169 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: what does Hardman do. He actually texts both of those guys, 170 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: Matthew Goldman Saveon Williams, like, you know, and Hardman hasn't 171 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: even been in Green Bay, but he texted them like, hey, 172 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: congratulations on getting drafted, you know, welcome to Green Bay. 173 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: Like let you know, hey, let's go, let's do this. 174 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you can't be more professional than 175 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: that to reach out to these guys that you're going 176 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: to be competing with and guys that you didn't even 177 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: know you were going to be competing with, and extending 178 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: sort of like that you know, that veteran hand to 179 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: say to say, hey, let's you know, let's go, let's 180 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: do this together. The other thing I'll say from that 181 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: Monday practice, he makes the great one handed catch in 182 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: traffic in the end zone on a throw from Sean 183 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: Clifford McCole. Hardman's a seven year veteran who's got three 184 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings and scored an overtime touchdown in the 185 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl to win one one of the most historic 186 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: touchdowns in NFL history. But he's not out there saying 187 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: what am I doing out here with the number three quarterback? 188 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: In a two minute drill? What does he do? He 189 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: goes out there, makes a play. You know, that's the 190 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: professionalism of a player like McCole Hardman. And while I 191 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: don't think there's any guarantee because of how crowded things 192 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: are and you never know how these things are going 193 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: to sort themselves out with the roster, there's certainly no 194 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: guarantee that Mikole Hardman makes the fifty three. At the 195 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: end of training camp. It will be a fight, it 196 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: will be a battle, But you can't deny how professional 197 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: this guy is and what he has brought since he 198 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: arrived in Green and. 199 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: The fact that he was as steadfast as he was. 200 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: There's sometimes guys will get drafted at a player's position. 201 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: They'll go to the front office and be like, hey, 202 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: I want to do something different. I just signed here. 203 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: That was under this It was under this standpoint. Now 204 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: I want to go try to test the market again. 205 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: We've seen that happen in places, but for Hardman, and 206 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: credit to him that he's willing to go that extra 207 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: mile prove that I'm going to show everybody that I 208 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: can still do this thing at the highest level. And 209 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: also it comes as no surprise to me whatsoever. I 210 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: was talking to Kelsey Joan Tihan, our former social media 211 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: intern here who's now the social media manager of the 212 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs. Congratulations on that, Kelsey. Actually, Morgan Wallen 213 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: even wrote a song about her at one point as well. Really, okay, 214 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: be that as it may. Kelsey had told me the 215 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: moment the day, within hours of the Packers signing Hardman, 216 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: She's like, you are absolutely gonna love this guy. Now, 217 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: we unfortunate we haven't been in the locker room because 218 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: of the renovations of the construction, so we haven't been 219 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: around these players as much as we usually have in 220 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 2: the spring and summer. Yeah, but that type of reference point, 221 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: and then hearing him speak and address the media on Wednesday, 222 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: how comfortable he is in his own shoes. You can 223 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: tell that this is going to be a very popular 224 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: influence and a guy. I think that's going to be 225 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: a good addition to this locker room. 226 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to get to a few more takeaways 227 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: from Mini camp in a minute, but I'll take care 228 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: of sponsor business here. 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As I mentioned before, aside from the two 236 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: minute drills at the end of practice, when they have 237 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: been doing the eleven on eleven what are called the 238 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: team periods, they haven't been going full speed. It hasn't 239 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: been fully competitive. It's been more of the jog through 240 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: the three quarter speed teaching speed whatever you want to 241 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. So there isn't a 242 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: lot in terms of evaluation. But what we do as 243 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: reporters is we're sort of we're watching personnel because it 244 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: gives you at least a little bit of an idea 245 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: of where things are with the depth chart and when 246 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: certain guys are injured and not practicing you're watching who's 247 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: stepping you know who's stepping up and filling in so 248 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: one depth chart item. I just want to point out, 249 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: and I don't want to make too big a deal 250 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: of it because it is only June and and training 251 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: camp will will certainly decide things. But with Aaron Banks, 252 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: the free agent left guard, not practicing in mini camp, 253 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: the guy who has been playing left guard with the 254 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: number one offensive line this week has been Donovan Jennings, 255 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: and I find that interesting. It's one of those things 256 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: you make you make a note of it because because 257 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: last year, when Elton Jenkins went down with the shoulder 258 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: stinger or whatever you want to call it in the 259 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: playoff game, it wasn't Donovan Jennings that the Packers turned 260 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: to in that moment. They turn turned to some other guys. 261 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: And the fact that that's the spot he's in right 262 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: now in mid June, I think it's something that's worth watching. 263 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, Donovan Jennings was actually the undrafted rookie that I 264 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: had my eye on last year, heard a lot of 265 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: positive things about him coming out of South Florida, but 266 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: unfortunately it was injured for most of the offseason program. 267 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: Right early in training Camp ends up spending the entire 268 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: season on the practice squad, and credit to him, decided 269 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: to stick on with the futures contract afterwards, and now 270 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 2: he's getting that opportunity once again. A very gregarious, pleasant fellow. 271 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: We still haven't had a chance to really get to 272 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: know him very well, but from everything that I've gathered, 273 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: and he comes with serious credentials at that guard position. 274 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: And when we talk so much about the Day three 275 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: picks and the Packers finding guys in seventh round that 276 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: could potentially become NFL players, we often overlook their history 277 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: at the undrafted route as well. I mean, when you 278 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: think back to the Lane Taylors of the world, a 279 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 2: really productive, hyper competitive guy out of Oklahoma State that 280 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: just didn't quite have all the measurables that NFL scouts 281 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: wanted to see, but then ends up playing eight nine 282 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: years in the NFL because he's just a football player. 283 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: So Jennings getting this shot, and you remember, there's there's 284 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: still a lot of depth there even without Aaron Banks 285 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: on the field. You know, you have Kadem Telford last 286 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: year was on the roster all season. They didn't turn 287 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: to him at that spot. They didn't look at some 288 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: of these other guys. They said, hey, we're going to 289 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: take an extended look here at Jennings and certainly any 290 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: of those reps you can get, even if they is 291 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: the non contact, you know, shell practices of the offseason, right, 292 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: those are still a chance to make an impression and 293 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: show the coaches how far you've how far you've come. 294 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, any other depth chart items that have caught your 295 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: eye this week as the off season program reps up. 296 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: I think one thing. Oh okay, so two different parts 297 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: of this. The first one is, and I've talked about 298 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: this is when we've been discussing the cornerback situation, you're 299 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: seeing the wheels turn with the Packers mind and in 300 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: Jeff Hafley's mind with how these cornerbacks are going to go. 301 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: And you've talked about in some of your content with 302 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: Javon Buller being that nickel type cornerback option as well, 303 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: depending on where Nate Hobbs is playing, and in this case, 304 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: Hobbs wasn't on the practice field on Wednesday when we 305 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: were out there, so that afforded Bullard some spot, some 306 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: snaps in the slot. You have Keishawn Nixon that can 307 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: play inside or outside. So while people I understand that, 308 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: you know, they're a little bit nervous, a little bit 309 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: concerned about what's all going to happen there. We were 310 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: talking with Evan Williams in the interview room on Wednesday 311 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: and he said he has no concerns whatsoever with this 312 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: cornerback room based on what the proven guys have shown 313 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: in the versatility of all those individuals. The packers can 314 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: move around a lot of pieces there if that's what 315 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: they want to do. And if I may close on this, 316 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: you mentioned mchole Hardman earning opportunities. You know, doesn't matter 317 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: if he's with the threes or the twos. What happens 318 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: a lot of times he makes a big play in 319 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: a twos threes period and in the two minute what 320 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: happened the next day, Mike, he was working with the. 321 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: Ones exactly exactly. 322 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: That's that's what it comes down to. Matt Lafleur said 323 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: at the podium, He's like, a lot of this is 324 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: just finding people and giving them an opportunity. We're not 325 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: reading too much into this with you know, we're just 326 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: we're just trying to get a look at guys. But 327 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: the more you make an impression with those looks. That's 328 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: where you get into the second week of training camp. 329 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: That's where get the family night. That'shere you get to 330 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: that first preseason game against the Jets where now, okay, 331 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: you start to see the pieces really start falling into 332 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: place and who's really separating himself from the pack. 333 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other the other note I'll make with 334 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: regard to kind of depth chart that has sort of 335 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: I think it's sort of been under the radar a 336 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: little bit and maybe it'll get more attention in training camp. 337 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: But obviously there's gonna be so much attention on the 338 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: competition at wide receiver and Jordan Morgan battling with Rashid 339 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: Walker at left tackle, with Sean Ryan at right guard 340 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: for starting spots there and those those are gonna be significant, 341 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But watching watching the rotation, uh 342 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: with the edge rushers, Yes, but you said that any camp, yep, 343 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: this week because most of the time when it's when 344 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: it's the first unit, the two edge guys are Rashaan 345 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: Gary and lukecaus Faness. But we have seen, we have 346 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: seen some reps where kings Leannigbari is across from Hershawn 347 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: Gary or Brenton Cox Junior is across from Lucas van Ness. 348 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: I saw one yesterday where Baron Surrell, the rookie fourth 349 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: round draft pick, was across from Hershawn Gary. So the 350 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: Packers are going to want, in need a rotation of 351 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: those edge rushers. They want to have a lot of 352 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: depth there. But what exactly is the pecking order going 353 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: to be at the end of training camp and as 354 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: the Packers head into week one. I think that's a 355 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: story that's worth watching because we're seeing a lot of 356 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: mixing and matching going on here in the spring. 357 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: It is And the one thing I did take away 358 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: from though, I mean, Lucas Vans is going to get 359 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 2: every opportunity to show that he can own that starting 360 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: spot across from Hershauan Gary, Hunter Pursu's rotations have all 361 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: been starting with Vanas. In addition to the fact that 362 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: when you get to some of the two minute periods 363 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: with the dime or the pass nickeled formations, it's Ben 364 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: Gary lining up as a three ticket. It's Ben Lucas 365 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 2: Vans finally doing that after two years of us talk 366 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: talking about it. 367 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, some shifting around, Yeah, that he's starting. 368 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: To get some of those opportunities those NASCAR looks, as 369 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: Dom Capers used to call, the where we have a little 370 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: bit more speed on the field and not so many 371 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: defensive linemen. The Packers have a ton of options at 372 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: their edge rushing position right now. I think, you know 373 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: Brenton Cox junior the way that he finished last year. 374 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: Baron Sourrell has had a sack already in the team 375 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 2: periods that we've watched, So yeah, seeing who emerges from 376 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: that is going to be very interesting. In addition to 377 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: the fact with Quay Walker not practicing right now, with 378 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 2: some injuries things going on, You've seen Tyron Hopper calling 379 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: the defense. You've seen Edgrin Cooper calling the defense. We're 380 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: seeing a lot of Isaiah Simmons in the number one periods. 381 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: The Packers know Isaiah McDuffie can handle those responsibilities, but 382 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: they're now giving some of those younger guys an opportunity 383 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: to show that they can, you know, wear that headset 384 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: as well. 385 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: And I should say, with regard to the edge rusher situation, 386 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: that another rookie draft pick, Colin Oliver, he has not 387 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: been practicing. He's been in the rehab group, an unspecial 388 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: fight injury. They don't you know, reveal injury details at 389 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: this stage of the off season, but certainly another guy 390 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: to watch come training camp, assuming everything's going to be 391 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: okay there, But we have not seen him on the 392 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: practice field this week. Last thing I want to get 393 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: to before before we go. You and I have talked 394 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: about you and I have talked about this on the sideline, 395 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: and I saw you made You've made some comments on 396 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: social media that very much echoed some things that were 397 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: going through my head. No, no, not exactly on the 398 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: football field. 399 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I thought they were just talking like shit. 400 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: But I have gained through just getting to watch two 401 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: OTA practices over the last couple of weeks and then 402 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: mini camp practices this week, I have gained a new appreciation, 403 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: which is kind of hard to believe because of what 404 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: happened last year, but I will say I've gained a 405 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: new appreciation for just how savvy a move it was 406 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: by the Packers personnel department in how they acquired Malik 407 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: Willis as the backup quarterback for this football team. Now, 408 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who you know, he 409 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: won two games as a starter last year, a third 410 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: game in relief and almost won a fourth game in 411 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: relief at the end of the season. But from our 412 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: perspective as reporters, like he got here so late that 413 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: we didn't see Malik Willis in any eleven on eleven 414 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: in practice because once the regular season starts, reporters don't 415 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: get to watch the eleven on eleven in practice. So 416 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: this offseason ots in mini camp is the first time 417 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: we've seen Malik Willis take snap after snap in practice 418 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: and do his thing out there. And I could not 419 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: be more impressed with just how the ball comes out 420 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: of his hand with just his command and poise and everything. 421 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: And this is a guy who he's you know, he's 422 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: been able to use this offseason to obviously get to 423 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: a different place in the Packers offense than where he 424 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: was when he first derive. But my goodness, the for 425 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: the Packers, for the Packers' personnel department, I mean, I 426 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: don't know exactly who it was, and maybe I'll get 427 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: a chance to ask Gooty sometime, and maybe it was 428 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: Gooty himself, But whoever was watching what was going on 429 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: last summer, and they they sensed and they knew that 430 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: Malik Willis was falling out of favor in Tennessee and 431 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: was not going to make that team, and they pounced 432 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: and offered a seventh round draft pick. Rather because the 433 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: Packers weren't high enough in the waiverclaim order to wait 434 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: for him to be released and try to claim him. 435 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: A quarterback like that, it's going to get clean before 436 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: the Packers would have a shot. They pounced on the opportunity. 437 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: They jumped on it. They offered a seventh round pick 438 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: and brought this guy in here, and man, oh man, 439 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like what we've seen, what we've seen 440 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: from him on the practice field, getting to getting to 441 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: see him more of in a day after day type 442 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: of type of thing, I couldn't be I couldn't be 443 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: more impressed with that acquisition by the Green Bay Packer. 444 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: In the job that Tom Clements did last year, being 445 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: able to get him up to speed as quickly as 446 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: they did, and for Matt Lafleur to build a winnable 447 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 2: game plan with him. I mean, you remember he'd did 448 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: he did all this stuff in a matter of weeks 449 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: that he had to win those games that and that 450 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 2: was the difference really in the Packers season. If you 451 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: think back on it. I mean being able to get 452 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 2: off to the start that they did, and him kind 453 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: of stemming the tide there until they got Jordan Love 454 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: back the guy. I said this in Twitter yesterday. The 455 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 2: more I watch him, the less I understand why the 456 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: Titans were so hot about getting him out of Nashville. 457 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't. I don't get it. 458 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: And again I'm gonna say the difficult part out loud here. 459 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: This is when people are always like, hey, you need 460 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: a veteran backup quarterback, and I've always pushed back against that. 461 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: Ye look at what happened in Tennessee last year. They 462 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: signed Mason Rudolph. And to be honest with you, I 463 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: don't cover the Titans. I don't know their front office. 464 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: I had no idea why they signed Mason Rudolph last year. 465 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: But if you look at how they handled the preseason, 466 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: and Willis has talked about it as well as a 467 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: training camp, he was clearly the number three. They'd really 468 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 2: zeroed in on Mac and Rudolph being the backup. I 469 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 2: don't know what the circumstances were there. I don't Every 470 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: situation is different. I think the Packers have a really 471 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 2: good process here for developing and training quarterbacks with Matt Lafleur. 472 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: But for them to ship him out and then end 473 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: up with the number one overall pick and then draft 474 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 2: a quarterback again, it just it's mind boggling to me 475 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 2: from Green Bay standpoint, it was a godsend. And here's 476 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: the other aspect of it too, Mike, we know how 477 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 2: quarterbacks are going the NFL. If Malik Willis puts together 478 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: a decent training camp, puts together a decent preseason, good, 479 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 2: doesn't even have to play the way he did last year, 480 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: but solid, he's going to get a contract next year. 481 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: It's just the way that position goes, and those contracts 482 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: for quarterbacks are going up. Daniel Jones got fourteen million 483 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: dollars this past year from Indianapolis. Do you know why 484 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 2: that matters? For the compensatory formula that could put you 485 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: right up to the top of the list for a 486 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 2: potential third round. So when people were asking all off 487 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: season about well they trade Malik Willis, why this is 488 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: the perfect insurance policy. In addition to the fact that 489 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 2: now he gets to be here, he has a good 490 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: working relationship with Jordan Love. You don't have to fast 491 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 2: forward through every great moment. Sometimes take a second to 492 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: enjoy them. Yeah, this is a really good position for 493 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: green Bay to be in, and Malik Willis calming. We 494 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 2: talked so much about Brandon McManus settling down the kicking job. 495 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 2: What Malik Willis did behind Jordan Love last year does 496 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 2: not get talked about nearly enough. 497 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm very curious to see after the twenty 498 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: twenty five season what opportunity Malik Willis lands for himself 499 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: to potentially become a starting quarterback in this league again. 500 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: Because man, the tools, the tools are there and on 501 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: the pois green Bay. Green Bay was a green Bay 502 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: was a nice fresh start for him, a reset in 503 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: terms of coming in and knowing exactly where he fits. 504 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: And he's the backup, he's the number two and he 505 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: found found and had success. Yes, right away, When Malik 506 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: Willis gets his next fresh start, that's going to be 507 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: worth watching. There's no doubt in my mind about. 508 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 2: That very much. So you and I need to get 509 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: to practice. I want to get out of here right now. 510 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: I know Justin Alan, who's back. If you ever, if 511 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: you're a big viewer of Packers on scripted, Justin's back 512 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 2: as our producer after a one year sabbatical down in 513 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: South Bend, Indiana, we brought him back, so justin happy 514 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: to have you here. But I also want to mention 515 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: this is the last day for our intern, Olivia Grover 516 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: in the social media department. We've had some amazing interns 517 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: in my time here, but Mike dollar for dollar, pound 518 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: for pound. This past year in digital and social we 519 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: had probably my favorite crew of all time with Olivia, 520 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: with Anna Murphy Pochask who now works for Discover Osh Gosh, 521 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 2: also Hailey Treina and that goes out throughout the building. 522 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: But Live did a fantastic job here with us. Anna 523 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 2: did a fantastic job. Hailey dealt with all of our 524 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: bogus stuff withans it. As I get older, you've been 525 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: in the seat a little bit longer than me, the 526 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: more I appreciate what you know, those kiddos give us 527 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 2: for that year that they're with us and UH and 528 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 2: then seeing them go on and spread their wings elsewhere. 529 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: That's how kel ct Hans started, right, That's right, well, 530 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: social media intern. 531 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: In here now she's now she's running the running the 532 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: show in UH in Kansas City, and she's getting shout 533 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: outs from you on Packer's Unscripted. 534 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: It's the best we can do. Dick Bobery likes to say, 535 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: I'm a name droper. I'm gonna drop names, but I 536 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: will say this, having Justin back, excited to have him 537 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: with us. I don't know how often he's actually going 538 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: to be working with us on the show, but having 539 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 2: him back in the building a fun thing as well. Well. 540 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: And he's training a new intern Hannah, Yeah, I think 541 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: going to be taking over the show. And then uh 542 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: and then yeah, she's gonna have to put up with 543 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: us for just. 544 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: In training people. Yeah, I feel like the oldest man 545 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: on earth. All right. 546 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: Well, with that, we are gonna call it a rap 547 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted and for the off 548 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: season on Packers Unscripted. We will be back at some point, 549 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: right around the start of training camp. We we'll be 550 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: back in these chairs. We will fire up the microphones 551 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: and the cameras and get going again. But until then, 552 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: for Wes, I am Mike, thank you for tuning in everybody, 553 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: and we will see you next time.