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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Diddy no bond after evidence comes out in court about

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Speaker 2: freak offs basically sex abuse sessions that last for days

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Speaker 2: and days, leaving the victims needing IV drips. I, Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Poems allegedly planned and control the sex performances, which he called.

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Speaker 4: Freak off, freak offs, freak offs, freak offs, freakoffs.

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Speaker 5: Sean Puffy Combs aka Diddy aka P Diddy, I'll see

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Speaker 5: you in court, Sean Puffy Combs spending the night behind

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Speaker 5: bars and whining incessantly through his lawyers.

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Speaker 1: But as we go.

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Speaker 2: To air right now, we are analyzing evidence that has

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Speaker 2: come out in court. You know what, after the judge

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Speaker 2: heard this, he had a snowball's chance in hubl of

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Speaker 2: getting bond.

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Speaker 1: I mean you gotta know this.

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Speaker 2: All the judges, they all have lunch together in a

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Speaker 2: big room sometimes the law library. Their court clerks are

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Speaker 2: in there. They see each other day in day out.

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Speaker 6: How is this.

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Speaker 1: Judge gonna look at the other judges in the ie

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Speaker 1: and go, yeah, I gave Diddy a bond.

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Speaker 2: That was me in there because I don't have a

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Speaker 2: spine now listen to this.

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Speaker 1: This is what I learned in court.

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Speaker 2: Now, we've all seen the Cassie Ventira video of her

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Speaker 2: running away from Sean Combs in public in a hotel corridor.

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Speaker 2: He comes out practically button naked, wearing nothing but a towel.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't care, that doesn't bother him, So.

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Speaker 2: Entitled chases her down and beats the h el out

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Speaker 2: of her, kicking her, kicking her, kicking or dragging her.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 2: We have gotten a hold of through prosecutors texts that

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Speaker 2: he immediately sends her. Listen to this to Cassie, call me,

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Speaker 2: the cops are here. I got six kids, yo, please

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Speaker 2: call I'm surrounded. You're gonna abandon me all alone. You're

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Speaker 1: This as we are learning that.

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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura was running from a freak off. Yeah, there

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Speaker 2: was a sex worker in the room with Diddy, and

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Speaker 2: I guarantee he was trying to film it, the sex

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Speaker 2: worker forcing Cassie to have sex. The defendant, according to

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Speaker 2: prosecutor Emily Johnson, knew he had done something that could

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Speaker 2: elicit police response.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a nice way of saying and busted.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So She texts back, saying she still had horrible

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Speaker 2: bruising from the assault. Says I'm not a rag doll. Now,

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Speaker 2: I want to point out that they are.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The defense attorney desperate is now saying Cassie Ventura was

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Speaker 2: running away.

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Speaker 1: Because she was jealous.

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Speaker 2: She was jealous because she looked at Combs's phone and

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Speaker 2: saw he texted another woman. Right, She's so jealous. She

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Speaker 2: runs out barefoot, trying to get away from him and

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Speaker 2: the sex worker that was still in the room.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start with that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what judge, and he's right his or her right

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Speaker 2: mind can go sit down to his tuna fish sandwich

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Speaker 2: and eat lunch with the other judges looking at him.

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Speaker 1: Going, yeah, we know what you did. You let this

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Speaker 1: a hole out on bond. Listen to this.

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Speaker 7: Shawn Combs is back inside the walls of Metropolitan Detention

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Speaker 7: Center after US District Judge Andrew Carter Junior denied Comb's

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Speaker 7: appeal of his remand Magic Judge Robin F. Tronowski initially

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Speaker 7: denied the rappers bail Tuesday, saying that Combs was a danger. Quote,

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Speaker 7: I don't know that you can trust yourself not to

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Speaker 7: harm people. The defense proposed that Combs live at home

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Speaker 7: alone in Florida, monitored by a twenty four to seven

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Speaker 7: security team. Combs offered to give up any access to

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Speaker 7: his cell phone or Internet. In the end, Judge Carter

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Speaker 7: Junior agreed with Judge Tronowski that quote, there is no

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Speaker 7: condition or combination of conditions to ensure he will not

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Speaker 7: obstruct justice or tamper with witnesses.

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Speaker 2: Coe's desperate not to spend another night behind bars with

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Speaker 2: me an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: To makes sense of what we are learning. But now hear.

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Speaker 8: This energy and all this might have been a full

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Speaker 8: confidence of a lawyers. And I expect a long.

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Speaker 7: Battle with a good result for mister Colms.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you'll be really if you I'm going to.

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Speaker 8: Fight like hell to get released, and he should be

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Speaker 8: released with all that he's done and coming here voluntarily.

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Speaker 8: And guys, I'm going to cut it short because they

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Speaker 8: have to go in all right, So thank you all

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Speaker 8: very much, and well keep using.

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Speaker 2: That defense lawyers making his money Agnafello very wildly. He

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Speaker 2: just represented Rnier in the cult case, also a forced

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Speaker 2: were actually branding themselves.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a whole another can of worms.

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Speaker 2: But there he is out in front of the courthouse

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Speaker 2: steps talking about the fight he's got a boy.

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Speaker 1: Does he have a fight again with me in All

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Speaker 1: star panel? But first I want to go to veteran trial.

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Speaker 2: Lawyer Tim Jansen, also a former federal prosecutor and porter

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Speaker 2: here and legal analysts for the Tallahassee Democrat. Tim, that

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Speaker 2: was quite a as they call it, bail package the

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Speaker 2: defense put up for the judge, begging, begging, please please, please, judge.

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Speaker 1: Don't make me go to jail.

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Speaker 9: Don't.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's been another at night eating a bad sandwich.

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Speaker 2: Fifty million dollars and did he I promise not to

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Speaker 2: contact another woman?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Right? Tell me what went wrong?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 11: I felt dirty hearing the proposed bond conditions. Fifty million dollars,

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Speaker 11: go to go home. The judges was never going to

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Speaker 11: give bond. The violence you saw in that video in

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Speaker 11: the elevator. He should have been arrested in charge with

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Speaker 11: that offense. The fact that he contacted and was obstructing justice,

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Speaker 11: the fact that he showed up or came back to

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Speaker 11: not flee from these charges, means nothing. I mean, you

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Speaker 11: look at the amount of money they offered for bond.

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Speaker 11: They knew he wasn't getting bond. He's looking at fifteen

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Speaker 11: years to life in prison. He's a danger to himself,

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Speaker 11: he's a danger to the community. And the times outlined

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Speaker 11: in this indictment are horrendous.

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Speaker 1: Jensen.

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Speaker 2: I know that you know what you're talking about, former

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Speaker 2: federal prosecutor. That's not easy. I was effaired for three years.

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Speaker 2: I know the way Feds work. But I can tell

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Speaker 2: you something you don't want to get out there and

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Speaker 2: say that again that Combs is a danger to himself.

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Speaker 1: Combs is not going to hurt himself.

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Speaker 2: What Combs is going to do is try to flee

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Speaker 2: somewhere like Paris where they're hiding out Roman Polanski and

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Speaker 2: others and record from there, just like Kanye. Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: what Comb's is gonna do. He's not gonna hurt one

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Speaker 2: hair on his head. That's not happening.

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Speaker 1: But I agree with you. I didn't feel dirty.

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Speaker 2: I felt crazy mad when I heard about a fifty

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Speaker 1: And you know a lot of judges, Jensen.

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Speaker 2: You know there are a lot of judges that would

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Speaker 11: The other thing you have to look at. They offered

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Speaker 11: not only his passport, the passports of all of his

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Speaker 11: family members because everyone knows he's going to flee and

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Speaker 11: take his family with him. That was another little tip

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Speaker 11: that they gill.

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Speaker 2: You know, if he cared so much about his family,

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Speaker 2: he would be with them and not at Freekrofs. You

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Speaker 2: know what a if I were a drinker, I have

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Speaker 2: a big fat drink right now based on what you

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Speaker 2: just said, take his family with him, my rear end

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Speaker 2: joining me, Dr Bethany Marshall. Usually I don't go to

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Speaker 2: you this early in the game, Dr.

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Speaker 1: Bethany, but really cared about his family.

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Speaker 2: You know what, if he cared about his family, he

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Speaker 2: would be living with his family or having a joint.

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Speaker 1: Custody with his children if it didn't work out, What

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Speaker 1: the right for the mother? That did not happen? No family, man,

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Speaker 1: no family. Yeah, they all have to go to work,

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Speaker 1: They have to go out of town.

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Speaker 2: Is going to be conducting days on end, a freak

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Speaker 2: days on end so their bruises can heal.

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Speaker 1: Half of them have.

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Speaker 2: To take ivy drugs. At ivy fluids, after they're covered in.

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Speaker 1: Bruises, they've been drugged. They don't know what was happening.

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Speaker 2: That is not a familyman, Dr Bethany Nancy.

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Speaker 10: P Diddy aka Love is no family man. Let me

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Speaker 10: tell you. He is self centered, vain, sociopathic, petty, vindictive, callous, cold, immature,

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Speaker 10: and he leveraged all of these traits not into building

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Speaker 10: a better family and having loving relationships with them. He

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Speaker 10: leveraged these traits into an empire so that he could

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Speaker 10: control other people. Nancy, you were mentioning, you know, fleeing

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Speaker 10: to another country. P Diddy is so arrogant, so self assured,

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Speaker 10: so unaware of potential negative consequences that when both of

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Speaker 10: his mansions were raided, he didn't leave the country. He

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Speaker 10: thought he could manipulate law enforcement, just like he manipulated

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Speaker 10: his victims. And now he's trying to manipulate through his attorney.

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Speaker 10: He's going to be in for a rude show, Nancy,

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Speaker 10: when he's behind bars. One thousand bottles of lubricant is

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Speaker 10: never going to allow him to slip out of this one.

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Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw is with me right now. Anybody on the panel. R.

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Speaker 2: Brandt is with us. Sidney Sumner, Angelica Martinez, Servina Lynn

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Speaker 2: Shaw is joining me founder executive director Linn's Warriors, devoted

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Speaker 2: to stopping sex trafficking. You know why I'm so angry

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Speaker 2: right now? And people often say, why don't you smile

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: I'm so angry right now, Lynn, I'm angry because I

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Speaker 2: have dealt very closely and hey, everybody, look around.

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Speaker 1: One out of four women, women you.

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Speaker 2: May never suspect, have been molested, raped or sex assaulted,

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Speaker 2: they have one in four at the least.

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Speaker 1: That's a conservative number.

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Speaker 2: I have dealt with so many girls and women that

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Speaker 2: are never the same.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's get real. We're talking about a free cough

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Speaker 1: like it's kind of funny, it's not.

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Speaker 2: Imagine a woman who is drugged in her drink. She

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Speaker 2: thinks she's going to a nice party, right, She's excited.

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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs wants to invite her to a party with

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Speaker 2: all these important, fancy people and maybe even given her

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Speaker 2: a nice, beautiful outfit, designer clothes to wear. She's never

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Speaker 2: seen anything like it in her life. This party where

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Speaker 2: there's cavia or there's champagne, there's limos, there's fur diamonds,

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Speaker 2: you name it, and she's there. She's at the party,

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Speaker 2: rubbing elbows with all these hip hop music stars you

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Speaker 2: name it. Maybe j Lo's there, maybe Fifties there, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, maybe Justin Bieber's there. Maybe Ashen Kitchener's there.

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Speaker 1: And there she is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but what happens after the party? All this list

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Speaker 2: may not know about that.

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Speaker 1: Neither does she because she's drugged.

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Speaker 2: What do you think those lights and those video cameras

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Speaker 2: were four? You know how awful it is for a

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Speaker 2: of her life, and then to find out that it

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Speaker 2: was on video and you were posed in positions and

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Speaker 2: while you're getting raped in.

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Speaker 1: All sorts of positions.

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Speaker 2: That is what we're talking about, Lynn, and not just

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Speaker 2: one woman, many women.

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Speaker 1: Those are the allegations.

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Speaker 10: You know, Nancy, I want to start with I wonder

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Speaker 1: We work with.

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Speaker 10: Victims day in and day out. Of rape, sex trafficking,

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Speaker 1: Me so sick.

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Speaker 10: I had to put a yellow blouse on today to

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Speaker 10: They have post traumatic stress disorder. How this has ruined

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Speaker 1: This is despicable.

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Speaker 10: I feel dirty and I work in this business every

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Speaker 10: because they sold out.

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Speaker 1: For a dollar.

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Speaker 10: And I leave you with who is Christina Korum his

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Speaker 12: Music mogul and rap stars Sean Ditty Combs hit with

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Speaker 12: lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, but attorneys claim no matter

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Speaker 2: Innocent, Okay is getting paid plenty of money to say that,

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Speaker 2: claiming that Combs, Shawn Combs Diddy has had to go

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Speaker 13: For bail appeal hearing. Agnifilo submits an amended bail package,

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Speaker 13: he has no cell phone or internet access, administer weekly

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Speaker 1: Are they crazy with me?

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Speaker 2: Is IRV Brandt sate former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service.

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Speaker 2: Those are the guys that go all around the world

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Speaker 1: Author of a whole series.

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Speaker 2: Of books about Solo, Last One, Forever, Solo, Night of

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Speaker 2: same security guards protect Diddy that would take these women

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Speaker 2: on video. That those guys, and they're also going to

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Speaker 2: perform weekly urine tests. You want to tell me they

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Speaker 1: Really? Are they insane? Have you ever heard anything like

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Speaker 9: I have not, Nancy, And it's not surprising that the

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you've ever been in

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Speaker 2: Tim Jansen, former fed now defense attorney, But I always

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Speaker 1: What's wrong?

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Speaker 2: There was one one case and this guy turned out

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Speaker 2: to be a future co defendant of AJ Simpson's Charles

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Speaker 2: Erlick aka Charlie Tuna, on a drug trafficking case.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget the judge, who.

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Speaker 2: I liked up till that moment, goes back to chambers

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Speaker 2: after I put on this giant case and we're trying

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Speaker 2: that were the defense was trying to get the evidence

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Speaker 1: It was a suppression.

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Speaker 2: Hearing goes back in chambers with the defense attorney. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: my stars. So in my world, that's never a good

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Speaker 1: Just like that. Did you ever have a doubt that

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 11: No, But I will tell you what the judges do.

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Speaker 11: They brought the pre trial officer back there to determine

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Speaker 11: we can't control him once he's gone. GPS does anything

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Speaker 2: At Titeaborough, we'll find that an ankle monitor Jensen on

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Speaker 2: the airstrip at Titaborough as he's getting on that private

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Speaker 2: judges have done it. They have done it, and there

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Speaker 2: have been disastrous results. Now, while the defense was making

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Speaker 1: I'm so proud of the Feds this time. Listen.

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Speaker 13: Prosecutors detail a violent incident in which Combs and a

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Speaker 13: Multiple witnesses willing to testify that Combs later bragged about

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that, doctor, Bethany Marshall. All of these

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Speaker 2: women know what Combs will do, and that's who the

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Speaker 1: Nothing happened, Bethany, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: These victims must be terrified. He probably stalks them, calls them,

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Speaker 10: he probably makes them terrified that they'll never work again,

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Speaker 10: just like Harvey Weinstein did that there'll be nothing without

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Speaker 10: him and Nancy. This is really criminality what we're seeing

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Speaker 10: with Sean Calms, and unfortunately the fact that he faced

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Speaker 10: He's grandiose, he thinks he's at the center of things,

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Speaker 10: and he's petty, mean and vindictive, and he stalks women

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Speaker 10: to grow in his criminality. It just reinforced it. This

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Speaker 10: man can never be out of war, out of jail

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Speaker 10: because Nancy. He probably even stalks his own wives. I'm

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Speaker 14: Prosecutors detail several of Colms's attempts to silence his accusers.

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Speaker 14: Prosecutors claimed Colmbs and co conspirators called victims and witnesses,

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Speaker 14: feeding them a false narrative to downplay the alleged abuse.

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Speaker 14: Two of those late twenty twenty three calls were recorded

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Speaker 14: in court. Attorneys divulged Combs reached out to a female

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Speaker 14: quote willingly engaged in sex acts. Last week, Combs reached

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Speaker 1: Yet they tell the judge.

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Speaker 2: They will not contact witnesses or try to tamper with witnesses.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear what.

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Speaker 2: The crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter just said, relentlessly pursuing

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Speaker 1: That's the new.

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Speaker 2: Lingo, getting her to say that she willingly engaged in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not going to contact a witness.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now, Angelica Martinez Servigna joining us in

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Speaker 2: know about the jail. Who are other famous celebs that

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Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy, we are standing right behind me is where

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Speaker 6: Sean Puffy Combs is currently being held in.

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Speaker 10: Brooklyn right now.

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Speaker 6: This is a federal prison detention facility operated by the

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Speaker 6: When they were here in this prison, they were also

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Speaker 6: held in the special Housing unit. Now, the Metropolitan Detention

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Speaker 6: There have been severe there understaffing issues. There's court filings

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Speaker 6: pretty It's not the Brian Park Hotel that Sean Puffy

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Speaker 6: Cobbs was arrested in Monday.

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Speaker 2: So under our jurisprudence comes is innocent until proven guilty.

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Speaker 2: But I got to tell you, when the Feds lay

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Speaker 1: This is a web.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be very, very difficult for the fly

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Speaker 2: that would become get out of Sidney Suner joining me

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Speaker 2: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sidney what am I

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Speaker 2: hearing from Angelic and Martinez that he is in a

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Speaker 2: special ward. Why is he special? How is he different

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Speaker 15: Answer? What we're hearing is that he's in that special

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Speaker 15: level of isolation. There are conflicting reports suggesting he may

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Speaker 15: even be on Shoe was sidewatched, and we now know

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Speaker 15: that he was actually evaluated by a prison psychologist before

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Speaker 15: he entered the NBC and Nancy. Conditions in this jail

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Speaker 15: are extremely violent. There was a murder just a few

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Speaker 2: When you put one thousand men, all charged with felonies,

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Speaker 2: child molesters, killers, rapists, drug dealers, arms possessors, what do

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Speaker 1: Hold on Sydney.

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Speaker 2: You're the reporter. Let me go to a shrink on this, doctor,

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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 1: That's why you don't have freak offs, because you don't

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Speaker 1: want to be in MDC. I wouldn't do anything.

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Speaker 2: As much as I'd like to at times to jeopardize

444
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Speaker 2: being with my children every night, making their dinner, getting

445
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: them to school. All that why I want to be

446
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: with him. That's more important than anything else. How can

447
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: he whine about Ndcity. He should have thought about that.

448
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: In the last thirty years, he's been raping women, according

449
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Speaker 2: to the state.

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Speaker 10: According to the state, Nancy, he puts such enormous energy

451
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Speaker 10: into stalking, raping, violating women. If he had just put

452
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Speaker 10: that energy into his relationships with his children, can you

453
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Speaker 10: imagine what fantastic lives they would have Now He's in prison,

454
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Speaker 10: at the bottom of the food chain, and we know

455
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Speaker 10: the associate paths. They like to relate to others on

456
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Speaker 10: the basis of.

457
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Speaker 1: Power, power, not affection.

458
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Speaker 10: He has power over everybody in his civilian life, Nancy.

459
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Speaker 10: He's not going to have power over anybody in that prison.

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Speaker 10: There are a lot of men with a lot of testosterone,

461
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Speaker 10: a lot of aggression and acts to grind, who are

462
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Speaker 10: just going to be there right on top of him.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it, Liz saw Am, I supposed to

464
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 2: hear that daddy's got a tt into a metal urinal.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 10: None of us are supposed to care, because think about

467
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 10: the prison, the jails, all of his victims have been

468
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Speaker 10: living in and continue to live in, and I want

469
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Speaker 10: to keep the focus again. First of all, I'm a

470
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Speaker 10: New Yorker. As far as I'm concerned, the Manhattan Detention

471
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Speaker 10: Center is too good of a place for this Pimp

472
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 10: Daddy that was his street name since the nineties, Pimp Daddy. Remember,

473
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 10: we have worked at the Warriors with women who have

474
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 10: come up as teenage girls through this whole rap music, right,

475
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 10: it started as hip hop, then it was rap music.

476
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Speaker 10: And they have reported these things about him and his

477
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 10: entourage for decades. Now, we don't care. Let him choke

478
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 10: on a bad tune of fish sandwich. Let's think about

479
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Speaker 10: the victims. Let's think about the survivors.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what we're talking about, rape victims and

481
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Speaker 2: a sodomy victims alleged by the statement. Let's don't forget

482
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Speaker 2: the potential murder.

483
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Speaker 1: Charge hanging out there. Listen.

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Speaker 7: Dwayne Keethy d Davis claims credit for Tupac's murder on

485
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Speaker 7: beet and in his memoir, he says Puffy Combs wanted

486
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 7: Knight and Tupac's heads after their disc track hit them up.

487
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 7: When Davis offers to carry out the hits, Combs agrees

488
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Speaker 7: to pay him one million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Combs allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he

490
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Speaker 3: called freakoffs, and he often.

491
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Speaker 1: Electronically recorded them.

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Speaker 3: The freakofs sometimes lasted days at a time, involved multiple

493
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Speaker 3: commercial sex workers, and often involved a variety of narcotics

494
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Speaker 3: such as ketamine, ecstasy, and GHB, which Combs distributed to

495
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Speaker 3: the victims to keep them obedient and compliant. As alleged,

496
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Speaker 3: when Combs didn't get his way, he was violent, and

497
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 3: he subjected victims of physical, emotional, and verbal abuse so

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Speaker 3: that they would participate in the freak offs.

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Speaker 2: You know, this would never have happened in my mind

500
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Speaker 2: if it had not been for Cassie Ventura, who had

501
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Speaker 2: the guts to sue Comes, and then the video leaked.

502
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to believe that their friend Comes. He's been

503
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: snugged up with let's see, Hillary Clinton. He's been snugged

504
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: up with Donald Trump. He's been snugged up with Ashton Kutchener.

505
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: With j Low, of course, with every star.

506
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: So many stars, Bieber fifty, you name it. But no

507
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: one wanted to stand up for these victims.

508
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: None of these celeb friends. They all went quiet. Remember

509
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Speaker 1: when Weinstein was charged with.

510
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Speaker 2: Rape, Oh, that was an outcry like no other. Now

511
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: when it's their friend, Sean Puffy Combs, nobody's saying a word.

512
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Speaker 1: We'll guess what we are.

513
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Speaker 2: And his defense attorney ain't helping anything with.

514
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Speaker 1: Statements like this. Listen.

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Speaker 16: In response to prosecutor's argument that the footage from the

516
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Speaker 16: Intercontinental Hotel in Los Angeles is critical evidence displaying Combs's

517
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Speaker 16: physical danger and his effort to obstruct, defense attorney Mark

518
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Speaker 16: Agnaphillo says the attack had nothing to do with trafficking,

519
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 16: and Cassandra Ventura started that altercation, hitting Combs in the

520
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 16: head with her cell phone while he was asleeve. Agnaphillos

521
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Speaker 16: claims Ventura left the hotel room after learning Combs was

522
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Speaker 16: dating another woman, not because she was fleeing a freak off, and.

523
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Speaker 2: He went on to say, this is Combs's lawyer, defense lawyer,

524
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Speaker 2: that she should have been grateful for all the opportunities

525
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Speaker 2: that he gave her, that it was a loving relationship.

526
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Yeah, I don't get it,

527
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany.

528
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Speaker 2: How do you derive enjoyment from beating your victims? Drugging them,

529
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: posing them in all sorts of positions, and videoing them

530
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Speaker 2: getting raped.

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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, one aspect of this crime that we haven't

532
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 10: yet addressed is his sadism.

533
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: You know, he's.

534
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 10: Really a mean, sadistic person. Not only does he want

535
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 10: to have power over his victims, he wants to see

536
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 10: them in pain, He wants to see them rendered helpless.

537
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 10: He wants to see them in compromising, humiliating positions. This

538
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 10: is his mo and the fact that he did not

539
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 10: face consequences earlier in his life means that the sadism,

540
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 10: this kind of perverse sadism, just flourished in his life.

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Speaker 2: You know, just imagine it if you let your mind

542
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: go this far, Bethany, can you just see him directing

543
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: these women who were passed out, many of them had

544
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: no idea they were taking given drugs, and positioning them

545
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: in comes, getting directly involved and positioning their bodies and

546
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: all sorts of sex positions for then a sex worker

547
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: to rape the woman and she has no idea what's

548
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: going on, and then.

549
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: Comes with threatened to leak.

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00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: Those videos to who her husband, her family, her family.

551
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's what we're talking about, earlier I

552
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: said that the defense is diluted.

553
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: I really think.

554
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: Combs is diluted, and that is not a defense under

555
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: our law.

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Speaker 1: Listen, wherever he is, his resolve is the same. He

557
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: believes is innocent.

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Speaker 8: I believe he's innocent, and we're going to fight this

559
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 8: case with all of our might until we don't have

560
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Speaker 8: to fight any longer.

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Speaker 2: You were just hearing Agnafello Combs as lawyer who insists

562
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Speaker 2: that Comes believes he's innocent. You know, many people argue

563
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: that OJ Simpson actually thought he didn't do it. At

564
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: some point he had said to stories so many times

565
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: he actually started believing it.

566
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Speaker 1: I disagree. I think he ain't.

567
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: Comb's knows they need Simpson new Combs knows he's not innocent.

568
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: It's easy to delude yourself that you didn't do anything wrong.

569
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Speaker 2: He did and he knows it.

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Speaker 1: And I want to be very clear.

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Speaker 2: There have been two judges involved in these rulings, and

572
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 2: they had to stand up to a lot of money

573
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Speaker 2: and a lot of pressure from various various sectors. Regarding

574
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Speaker 2: the bond decision to Sidney Summer joining US crimeonline dot

575
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Speaker 2: Com investigative reporter. Two judges first one judge said no.

576
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: Then the defense attorney demanded another.

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00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: Hearing on bond, and he got it. Tell me about

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00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: the two judges, one a man, one woman, Nancy.

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Speaker 15: So that judge that first saw Combs for his arraignment

580
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 15: was Judge Robin Turnowski. That's our female judge. And she

581
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 15: shut that bail down so quick she had to let

582
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 15: arguments go on and on, but she spent about twenty

583
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 15: minutes in her chambers with pre trial services, came out

584
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 15: and immediately denied that bail proposition. Wednesday, they appeared in

585
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Speaker 15: front of Judge Andrew Carter, who heard many of the

586
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Speaker 15: same arguments with more information coming out. And I loved

587
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Speaker 15: this from Judge Andrew Carter. While Agrew Pillow is trying

588
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Speaker 15: to argue that the video in the inter Continental Hotel

589
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Speaker 15: as a result of two very passionate people who are

590
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 15: very in love. Judge Andrew Carter respond what love got

591
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 15: to do with that, referring to that video, and again

592
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 15: denied that bail proposition right off the back.

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Speaker 1: I want you to hear this.

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00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: After the Cassieventia video came out, Comes released his own

595
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: video talking about how he had hit rock bottom that

596
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Speaker 2: he takes full responsibility for his actions and talks about

597
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: how sorry he is and it was difficult to reflect

598
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: on the darkest times of his life. But at the

599
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 2: same time he was trying to tamper with witnesses and

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Speaker 2: get them to change their stories, victims changing their stories. Listen,

601
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Speaker 2: it's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in

602
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Speaker 2: your life.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to do that.

604
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 14: I was, I mean, I hit rock bottom, but I.

605
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 9: Made no excuses.

606
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: My behavior on that video is inexcusable.

607
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 10: I'd take full responsibility from my ashes in that video.

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00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: Colmes allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he

609
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 3: called freak.

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Speaker 4: Off, freakoffs, freakoffs, freak offs, freakoffs.

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00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 5: Sean Puffy Combs aka Diddy aka p Diddy, I'll.

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00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: See you in court. I can tell you that's right.

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00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: Now. We are learning about how the state's going to

614
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: actually prove this case.

615
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: It won't be a surprise to you legal eagles. Listen.

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Speaker 13: When asked if there is a possibility for more arrests

617
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 13: US attorney Damian Williams answers quote, nothing is off the table.

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00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 13: The indictment against Combs mentions numerous members of business staff, security,

619
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Speaker 13: household staff, personal assistants and high ranking supervisors that facilitated

620
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 13: Colbs's crimes, but does not mention any specific names. Williams

621
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Speaker 13: could not put an exact number to the amount of

622
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Speaker 13: people victimized by Combs, emphasizing that the investigation is still ongoing.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to.

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Speaker 2: Tim Jansen, joining us. You see what they're doing right there,

625
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 2: right They're naming all of these enablers' facilitators who are

626
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: either going to be co defendants in their own right

627
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: or witnesses they can pick. And nobody say there's anything

628
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: wrong with that, because there's not The stake can choose

629
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Speaker 2: to charge them, not charge them, charge them and take

630
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: their testimony and give them a cheap deal.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is they're not ruling out more arrests Janssen.

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Speaker 1: So here's what's not being said.

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Speaker 11: The reason the government wants him in custody is because

635
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 11: of the power and control he has over the organization.

636
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 11: Once he's in custody, now they can go to these

637
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 11: people who were reluctant to come forward, offer them witness

638
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 11: protection program for them to come in and be and

639
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 11: show and prove what these victims are saying. You know

640
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 11: this could really make this case against him much stronger,

641
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 11: and it can spread the case to other co conspirators

642
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 11: who are now going to be fending for themselves.

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Speaker 2: Fending for themselves. True, I don't know that anybody wants

644
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: to go into the Witness Protection Act that that's not

645
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: any fun.

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Speaker 1: Herb Brandt.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear Herbrandt travel the world for the US

648
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: Marshall Service bringing.

649
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: In felons that got out on bond and.

650
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: Took off like a bounty hunter but works for the government.

651
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Speaker 2: What do you make the States saying they are not

652
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: ruling out more arrests.

653
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's how they're going to make this case.

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Speaker 9: It's not surprising, Nancy. This is a very complex case.

655
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Speaker 9: And when you're talking about RICO, you're talking about an

656
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 9: ongoing criminal organization. RICO was basically brought in to dismantling

657
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 9: the mob and their hierarchy, and the same thing with

658
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 9: this case. They want to go after everyone involved, everyone

659
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 9: that enabled Sean Combs to participate in these activities. They

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00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 9: want to bring them to justice. Also, so I'm not

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Speaker 9: surprised by the prosecution statements that more arrest may be coming.

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Speaker 2: We understand that the judges both thought that there was

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Speaker 2: a very strong chance that Sean puppy Comes would flee

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Speaker 2: the jurisdiction or Brant, that's your specialty. What do you

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Speaker 2: believe Comes would have done if one of these judges

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Speaker 2: had granted him bond.

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Speaker 9: Oh, he would have been gone, Nancy. I mean, I

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Speaker 9: have no doubt that he had a plan in his

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Speaker 9: mind if he could get out, no matter what the

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Speaker 9: conditions of GPS monitoring house, arrested, intensive supervision.

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Speaker 1: He has a financial.

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Speaker 9: Means to disappear, and I'm sure that was his plan

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Speaker 9: because he's looking at so much time on these charges.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you Anna Delvey, who was a star a

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Speaker 2: cable documentary. It's on Dancing with Stars right now with

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Speaker 2: her ankle bracelet. Her monitor is bedazzled when she dances

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Speaker 2: on the floor. You want to tell me we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: find ditties cut off and lying on the runway the

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Speaker 2: airstrip at Tataboro. That's where we would find that. Straight

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Speaker 2: back out to Angelica Martinez joining us in front of

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Speaker 2: the jail.

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Speaker 1: MDC.

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Speaker 2: I understand that Combs has a status hearing on October

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Speaker 2: the ninth.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to see him again on October the night.

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Speaker 2: Out of his special housing unit there at MDC.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is correct, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: So his next hearing is waited for October ninth, and

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Speaker 6: until then he will be behind us in this metropolity

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Speaker 6: detention center in Brooklyn, where I don't know if you

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Speaker 6: can hear there all morning, there have been inmates seemingly

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Speaker 6: brawling or some very disturbing noises coming from just behind me.

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Speaker 6: Right there in those fences we can hear, presumably officers

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Speaker 6: trying to get everything under control. So this is where

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Speaker 6: Cole's will be spending his time until October night.

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Speaker 2: We wait as justice unvols and we pray it rains

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Speaker 2: down like a flood.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to all of our guests.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what it would have meant if Comes

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Speaker 2: had gotten bond, What it would mean to all of

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Speaker 2: the rape victims, all of the abuse victims in.

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Speaker 1: The past, the present, and those yet to come.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,