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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.

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Speaker 3: Name is Nola. They called me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the

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Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here.

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Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: If you are listening to our strange news program the

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Speaker 4: evening it comes out, let us welcome you to February third,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five. Guys, we're more than one month into

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Speaker 4: the new year.

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Speaker 3: How are we feeling old?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that same feeling. It doesn't feel like a

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Speaker 2: month should have gone by since the time we celebrated

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Speaker 2: New Year. So it's just odd.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, some of us celebrate, some observe some of us.

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Speaker 4: A fellow conspiracy realists who are a little bit older

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Speaker 4: in the crowd may have taken a nap and woken

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Speaker 4: up around eleven forty nine pm December thirty first, just

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Speaker 4: to mark the passage of the New year, and then

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Speaker 4: went back to sleep. The New Cycle. Yeah, yeah, that

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Speaker 3: That was me.

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Speaker 4: The New Cycle, however, does not stop. We have so

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Speaker 4: much stuff to share with you. We're going to learn

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Speaker 4: a little bit about Sasquatch allegations and consequences thereof. We're

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Speaker 4: going to talk about some videos. We have to talk

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Speaker 4: about some recent dangerous moves in the world of politics

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Speaker 4: and in the world of science, as well as the

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Speaker 4: realm of spirituality. Before we do any of that, I

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Speaker 4: do have to give, perhaps out of the Blue shout

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Speaker 4: out to China's rule of law. It's a big problem

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Speaker 4: to keep police accountable in any country you visit. And recently,

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Speaker 4: you guys, the government of China SmackDown one of their

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Speaker 4: law enforcement officers. Did you hear about this?

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Speaker 3: Physically gave him a backhand.

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Speaker 4: Well, he lost his bonus. The thing is, he's not

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Speaker 4: a human police officer. He is a Corgie named Fushi

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Speaker 4: and Fuji translates the lucky boy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, what's the deal? Why are they picking

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Speaker 5: Right? Right?

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Speaker 4: So, what happened to the back of the Blue China? It

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Speaker 4: appears that Fuji, who has become an Internet sensation, did

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Speaker 4: violate the terms of his employment. He is an explosive

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Speaker 4: searching dog. We're not sure the correct term the Chinese

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Speaker 3: So okay, I guess they're really leaning into the aesthetics

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Speaker 3: for their bomb dogs. They're going for the cute factor.

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Speaker 3: It would see and say that's a cute dog.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And like a lot of law enforcement there he

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Speaker 4: gets a year end bonus, or he would have, because

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Speaker 4: you see, just recently he was supposed to be given

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Speaker 3: I would eat all of those things, just saying, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, you know what I mean. And now we're going

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Speaker 4: to go real quick to euro News with Oman al

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Speaker 4: Ya Yai, who tells us that this poor guy, this

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Speaker 4: of his his on the job behavior, which included taking

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Speaker 5: Bad boy I love all Matt shaking his head right there.

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Speaker 3: You're so disappointed. And food is it? Fuji? Yeah? Fui?

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Speaker 2: See Officer Meadow who hangs out in my precinct last

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah for a big dog.

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Speaker 2: Wo is currently incarcerated in dogjail, and she's going to

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Speaker 3: Actually met also true. What if Fuji and MoU Dang

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Speaker 4: So justice for Meadow, This for Fuji, who had all

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Speaker 3: They shamed him publicly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know what shame on you, Meadow. You

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Speaker 5: Okay for anyone who doesn't know, Meadow is a fair

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Speaker 2: Yes, so it really was stark, Yes, And I was

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Speaker 3: Meadow. Deprive your family of a delicious frozen pizza. Snatched

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Speaker 5: Yeah, with this, With this, uh, you know, we know

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Speaker 5: Meadow will make restitution and be a return to her

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Speaker 4: And we have returned a breaking story. If we could, Dylan,

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Speaker 4: please get a breaking news cube.

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Speaker 3: Awesome street read all about it.

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Speaker 4: Let's get into it. Yeah, let's get into it this way.

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Speaker 4: We all remember the seminal American Western Tombstone, right, of.

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Speaker 3: Course, also a very popular brand of frozen pizza callback.

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Speaker 4: Yes, callback, well done. We also remember, of course, the

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Speaker 4: breakout character, the breakout star of Tombstone, Doc.

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Speaker 3: Holiday, portrayed by Val Kilmer. He's all of our huckleberries.

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Speaker 4: Good friend Alexis agreed to go by the moniker Doc

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Speaker 4: and Doc Holiday from Tombstone suffers from what was called consumption.

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Speaker 4: Consumption is the street name of that era for tuberculosis.

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Speaker 4: the United States of America is currently experiencing the largest

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Speaker 4: And it's happening right now as we record in Kansas.

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Speaker 3: Wait, we're in Kansas. I didn't think we were in Kansas, and.

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Speaker 4: We're not in Kansas anymore, but we're talking about Kansas.

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Speaker 4: As well as AVM flu. It's coming back. We have

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Speaker 4: the Topeka Capital Journal as well as Esquire, which has

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Speaker 4: Goss noted that public health officials have documented sixty six

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Speaker 4: It means that, like you said, Noel, these seemingly these infections,

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Speaker 4: and we now have to ask, you know, why is

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Speaker 4: especially given all the recent proposed cuts to public health

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really it's upsetting. Do we know how many

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Speaker 4: We know that local medical professionals on the ground are

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Speaker 4: attempting to compile at exhaust of list. But it's incredibly

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Speaker 2: Oh geez.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and people are attempting to quell public outcry or

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Speaker 2: Mmmm. Hey. And speaking of guys, do you mind if

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Speaker 2: It's not Homeland Security. Sorry, I see HS. And that's

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Speaker 2: grant injection, if you will, into Maderna to develop a

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Speaker 4: Right because it's a private entity, and I want, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're going to explore that larger context as well. We

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Speaker 3: Long COVID right after whatever the knock on effects.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned and been the perfect tease for

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Speaker 3: If they don't get it, and the time that they've allotted,

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Speaker 3: they are going to execute a passenger every minute on

438
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Speaker 3: a minute.

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Speaker 4: Past and soft note for everybody just now hearing about

440
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Speaker 4: this film, which I believe we mentioned on a previous recording,

441
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: I sure did a million dollars was a lot more

442
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 4: money back.

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00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. It's just a great film if you're into

444
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: like things like Dog Day Afternoon and you know, just

445
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: I don't know. The seventies are such a golden era

446
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: for the cinema verite kind of stuff, and it is

447
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: a heist movie, but it's very funny, it's very exciting.

448
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel dated at all, and it just really

449
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: kind of made me focus in on this story is

450
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: it's not about a hostage taking situation, but it is

451
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: about a situation that maybe happens more than we might realize.

452
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: A New York City R train from the New York

453
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: MTA was stolen and taken for a joy ride very recently.

454
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: The theft was discovered Saturday, as we record, by the NYPD,

455
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 3: and according to the police, MTA employees told officers that

456
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: people had entered an unoccupied train that was being stored

457
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: on a type of track that isn't connected to the

458
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: main you know, transit lines. It's sort of like a

459
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, like a waypoint, sort of like a

460
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: little hub where out of service trains are kept. It

461
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: was operated for only a short distance, and the assailants

462
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: also broke numerous train car windows. They also blacked out

463
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 3: on board cameras using sharpies, which I thought was an

464
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: interesting move. I haven't really heard about that one, but

465
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: you know, you heard you see it in the heist

466
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: movies A lot of times they use like spray paint,

467
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: but Sharpie's works just as well. There is a video

468
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: shared on social media that shows them inside the conductor's cabin,

469
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: which is of course where the throttle is for the

470
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: train that operates it allows it to speed up and

471
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Speaker 3: slow down. There are, of course, as you'll see in

472
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: taking a PELM one two three if you check it out,

473
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Speaker 3: safeguards in place to keep collisions from happening, to keep

474
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Speaker 3: trains from exceeding certain speeds, et cetera. While they're doing this,

475
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: one of the assailants or I guess the suspects, is

476
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: seen operating the controls, while another one sits on the

477
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: very front open door of the train with his legs

478
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: dangling over the tracks, with a third person standing behind him.

479
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: All of this is really echoes Pellam one two three,

480
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: except there aren't any automatic weapons and no one was

481
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: on board the train, thankfully. The NYPD said the R

482
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: train was left secured on what's called a layup track

483
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: at the seventy first Avenue station in Queens, and again

484
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: that is something that's used for storage of trains when

485
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: they're not in service. The R train number was ninety

486
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: one oh eight. It was left secured but unattended by

487
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Speaker 3: MTA personnel. It would seem that the thieves had knowledge

488
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: of operating these vehicles accessing them. It would appear that

489
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: it was accessed us using MTA keys. So is it

490
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 3: an inside job? Again? Tell them one, two, three yo

491
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: where they stolen. It doesn't seem like a crime of opportunity.

492
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: It's really odd how much forethought must have gone into

493
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: this for something as boneheaded as a joy ride. Transportation

494
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: expert Robert Paswell told CBS News they obviously knew something

495
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: about both where the train was and how to operate

496
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: the train and how to get the keys. Once you

497
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: start it, he says, it's just a simple throttle, and

498
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: you use the throttle to move it and to slow

499
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: it down. The social media video that I mentioned also

500
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: does show the train being operated at a super high

501
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: rate of speed, though briefly and authority say the intruders

502
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: were wearing black masks and black clothes and they did

503
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 3: cover the camera lens. As I mentioned, Once MTA workers

504
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: determined that the train had moved by monitoring, you know,

505
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: they've got like a blip on these maps for every

506
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: train in the system. They went to the Queen's train

507
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: Yard to check it out and analyze its black box data.

508
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: This after the suspects had fled the scene in order

509
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: to figure out where it had been taken for how

510
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: long you know, if it had gone elsewhere beyond where

511
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: it was left. One last thing, An MCA spokesperson said,

512
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: New York City Transit is working with the NYPD on

513
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: their investigation of this incident. And as I mentioned at

514
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: the top, this isn't the first time this happened. In

515
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: September of last year, two teenagers tried to operate unoccupied train,

516
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: also in Queens and ended up crashing it. They damaged

517
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: the car. They were seventeen. They were charged with reckless

518
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: endangerment and criminal mischief in the incident. It does also

519
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: appear that this case is being treated similarly as a

520
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: case of reckless endangerment and criminal mischief. What do you

521
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: guys think about that sort of a pointless heist, Like,

522
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: what do they gain from this? They're dressing like they're

523
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: out to steal something, But is there something that we're missing?

524
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: Is there something that they did again very pealam one

525
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: two three, beyond the eyes and knowledge of the MTA

526
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: and the NYPD is this some sort of subterfuge, some

527
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: sort of diversion, so they were like pulling off some

528
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: other crime. My mind boggles at it.

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Speaker 4: Guys, possibly as a personal fan of the concept of

530
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: Okham's razor. Sometimes people just take a joy ride, right,

531
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 4: That's that's the reason why we have that word in

532
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: this language. We we can often assign a larger thing.

533
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: And I do think your your question is incredibly valid there.

534
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: It is quite possible that there were there were other

535
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 4: factors at play, maybe that are not being reported by

536
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: the media. I would argue, however, that with the information

537
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: we have, it seems that this was a dumb stunt.

538
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 4: And it further seems that, like you said, the most

539
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: instructive part about this is to realize these kinds of

540
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 4: situations occur way more often than one might assume.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not any anything to I just I gosh, it

542
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: just seems like a lot of effort to go to

543
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: to find the proprietary keys, to get into this thing,

544
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: to know where it's hanging out, to take it for

545
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 3: such a brief joy ride, and to be all masked

546
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: up and doing all this haisty stuff. I don't know.

547
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: Maybe you're right, Ben, it is the simplest possibility, you know,

548
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: being the most likely. But Matt, you got anything to add.

549
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm too much of an old man to even consider

550
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: this really, because in my mind, it's something you do

551
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: in the days of social media for clout and for

552
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 2: to show a video to your friends. That's all. It

553
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: seems like to me.

554
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: Like TikTokers who are walking into people's houses in London

555
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: just to film themselves there with no ulterior motive other

556
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Speaker 4: than getting scores in the dopamine casino.

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Speaker 3: Quite possible. Gosh, guys, it didn't even occur to me that.

558
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: I mean, who would have been around to film the

559
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: video other than the crew themselves.

560
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: The heist crew, And that's what they're right.

561
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: Didn't did not even cross my mind. Of course, that's

562
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: what happened. It was a total internet clout fiasco. It

563
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: seems most likely to me. You're right that they did

564
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 3: it for clout, did it for clicks. But also they

565
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: can't claim it. I wonder where it was posted. I mean,

566
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: it had to have been posted anonymously.

567
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, that's what That's what was happening on TikTok

568
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: with all the kias that were getting boosted for a

569
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: long time there, you would take a video of yourself

570
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: boosting a Kia and that was the exciting thing that

571
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: you got to show off.

572
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, nor guys. No, no, you're you're you're

573
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 3: get off, get right off our lawn. You you kids?

574
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, it does. The CBS News article, by the way,

575
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: just mentioned that the thieves posted the joy ride on

576
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: social media, but I don't have a link to the

577
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: original post. It's been like screen grabbed, so I'm not

578
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: quite sure if they claimed credit for it or if

579
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously they're still being saw it, you know.

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00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

581
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: There there was a comment from a commuter talking about

582
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 3: how dangerous this could have potentially been for just you know,

583
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: MTA users. Imagine somebody is in front of the train

584
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: right now and they're hanging off and then say the

585
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: train stops, they can fall on the tracks and the

586
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: train would run over them. It would be over social

587
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: media too much of the phone, said another commuter. And

588
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: then they do mention that if you see something, say something.

589
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 3: NYPD's got a crime stopper hotline one e one hundred

590
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: and five seven seven tips or for Spanish language one

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00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: eight eight five seven piece stop. I think I'm at time, guys,

592
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 3: I did just want to mention another story really quickly,

593
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 3: just about search for Sasquatch causing a dude in Canada

594
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: in British Columbia to essentially lose his seeking of alimony

595
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: of spousal support because in his search for Sasquatch he

596
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: went on a camp out trip with an ex girlfriend,

597
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 3: to which his wife responded with the suing for divorce.

598
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 3: He also claimed that injuries from subsequent Sasquatch expeditions caused

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00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: him to not be able to work, and therefore claimed

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00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: that he deserved spousal support. The judge, however, indicated that

601
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: with all of this time you're spending searching for the Bigfoot,

602
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: you probably could have spent that time working. Also, in

603
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: court documents, the gentleman claimed to have a above average

604
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: IQ to be quite the smarty pants, and the judge

605
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: also claimed that if you're so smart, these injuries should

606
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 3: not prevent you from getting like a desk job or something.

607
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: Not to mention the sizeable collection of sasquatch books and

608
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: memorabilia paraphernalia femera that he seemed to possess that you know,

609
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: probably relatively valuable as well, so sort of a silly story.

610
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: But you know, if you're gonna hunt for sasquatch, do it,

611
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: do it on your own time. I guess, don't bring

612
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: the courts into it. Probably not the best move on

613
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 3: this guy's part.

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00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: Oh you guys, I just heard there's that gathering of

615
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: the in the desert thing that's happening again this year,

616
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: and I think Bakara David Bcaerr is going to be

617
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: there this year. Guy from Expedition Bigfoot.

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00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, over the check out our earlier interview with him

619
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Speaker 4: a few years back. What a tree storyteller.

620
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: Not really past the story, No, But if you're ever

621
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 3: passing through the North Georgia Mountains around about l a j.

622
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 3: Check out Expedition Bigfoot. It's super cool and worth your time.

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Speaker 3: Well that's it for me, y'all. Let's take a quick

624
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: break here, a word from our sponsor, and then come

625
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: back with some more strange news.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned, let's get a little doomsday music. It

627
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Speaker 2: is with a heavy heart that I report it is

628
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: now eighty nine seconds to midnight according to the Bulletin

629
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Speaker 2: of Atomic Scientists.

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Speaker 3: Well that's no time at all, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Eighty nine second, less than a minute and a half. Oh,

632
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Speaker 2: dear gentlemen, what is the bulletin of Atomic Scientists?

633
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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you asked, Matt. The bulletin of Atomic

634
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 4: Scientists goes back to the idea of doomsday clock, right,

635
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 4: which was created created in the wake of nuclear weaponry

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Speaker 4: deployment what we'll call the atomic age and generally now

637
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: are pal Jack O'Brien. I was talking with him about

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Speaker 4: this earlier. He has some strong feelings about the doomsday clock.

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Speaker 4: But the bulletin of the Atomic Scientist, I would say,

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00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: is legit because they are performing a public service. They

641
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 4: want people to know about threats to humanity overall capital

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Speaker 4: h humanity from things like nuclear weapons, also things like

643
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Speaker 4: climate chaos, and perhaps increasingly important in these our modern evenings,

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Speaker 4: emerging technologies, including so called artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, There you go. Is founded in

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Speaker 2: nineteen forty five. You can think of the Bulletin of

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Speaker 2: the Atomic Scientists and their doomsday clock as the long

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Speaker 2: tail regret of the folks who developed the nuclear weapon

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Speaker 2: or you know, the hydrogen bomb. You know, it's literally

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Speaker 2: Einstein and Oppenheimer and the folks at I think it

651
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Speaker 2: is the University of Chicago who actually developed this stuff

652
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Speaker 2: through the Manhattan Project. And what they do is they've

653
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Speaker 2: got a clock that says, hey, this is how close

654
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Speaker 2: we are to well, at first it was to nuclear devastation,

655
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Speaker 2: to some form of global nuclear catastrophe, but now they

656
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: take into account basically all of the things that humans

657
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: are doing and they kind of tally those together, and

658
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: the clock represents how close we are to destroying ourselves

659
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Speaker 2: essentially or the planet entire eighty nine seconds. The move

660
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Speaker 2: is literally one second. It was ninety seconds to midnight,

661
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Speaker 2: And the folks at the bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

662
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Speaker 2: are essentially saying, hey, everybody, even a one second move

663
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Speaker 2: at this time is a big deal, and we are

664
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Speaker 2: just signaling that there are unmistakable this is a quote

665
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Speaker 2: unmistakable signs of danger that national leaders and societies are

666
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Speaker 2: failing to change course on. Yeah, just pointing that out there.

667
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Speaker 2: It's happening. It's a quote stark signal because the world

668
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: is already perilously close to the precipice. Isn't that poetic? Yikes,

669
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Speaker 2: Before we get into the reason, like one of the

670
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Speaker 2: major reasons I think this is important to what it's

671
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Speaker 2: something Ben just hinted at let's give a quick update

672
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Speaker 2: on a story that we did in the past on

673
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Speaker 2: the Sodo Lithium Christiane Vite. Oh. This is a series

674
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Speaker 2: of episodes that we put out not long ago about

675
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Speaker 2: a Catholic sect in Peru that had a lot of problems.

676
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: Their leader, Luis Fernando Figari Rodrigo was kicked out of

677
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: the group by papal decree as an excite the Vatican side.

678
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, the Vatican said, hey, you got to

679
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Speaker 2: get out. He was kicked out back in August of

680
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Speaker 2: last year, but the organization stuck around. And the reason

681
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Speaker 2: why we're bringing up is because as of January twenty third,

682
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Speaker 2: as reported by CNN and Christopher Lamb, the Pope has

683
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Speaker 2: officially dissolved the entire Sodolidium Christiane Vite. So the entire

684
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Speaker 2: organization is now dissolved. And as we said in that episode,

685
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Speaker 2: at one point they had around twenty thousand members, and

686
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Speaker 2: you know that had dwindled a bit after all of

687
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Speaker 2: the stuff about them in the news and specifically about Figari,

688
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: and now they're just gone, which is just a weird

689
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Speaker 2: thing to think the Pope can reach out and say, hey,

690
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: this entire thing is now void and you can no

691
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: longer do stuff if there's abuse going on, and it

692
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Speaker 2: seems like, well, maybe if he can do that, couldn't

693
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Speaker 2: he stop abuses elsewhere? Just an excellent question with a

694
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Speaker 2: tip of the old whatever that thing is on his head,

695
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Speaker 2: the seoun.

696
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Speaker 4: Tip of the cone. Yeah, yeah, it's an excellent question.

697
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Speaker 4: And please do check out our earlier work on this

698
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Speaker 4: because it's quite disturbing. It brought up a lot of

699
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Speaker 4: questions for us and our fellow listeners. When we were

700
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Speaker 4: exploring this, what we saw was for brief recap, what

701
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Speaker 4: we saw was this gradation of investigations and bureaucracy bedeviling

702
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 4: honestly at every step, real results from those investigations. And

703
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: as we had discussed earlier, Fagari went through several different

704
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Speaker 4: iterations of punishment. And when we ended the episode, when

705
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Speaker 4: we ended our exploration, this group was still around. This

706
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 4: group had not been officially kicked out, and what they

707
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Speaker 4: had already done. We get into the weeds a little

708
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Speaker 4: bit on the concept of lay organizations, meaning organizations within

709
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Speaker 4: Catholicism that are not headed by clergy. We got into

710
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Speaker 4: the weeds of just how ah, I hate to say it,

711
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Speaker 4: how hair splittingly tedious. It seemed to be from the Vatican,

712
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Speaker 4: from the Holy See to figure out how they would

713
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Speaker 4: address these very well proven, very well documented cases of

714
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Speaker 4: a system of abuse. So overall, it does seem to

715
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Speaker 4: be very good news at least that Pope Francis and

716
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 4: the Vatican made this move. But you know, I remember

717
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 4: we're talking about this, guys. It's better late than never.

718
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Speaker 4: But also is it not very late for that decision

719
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Speaker 4: to be made. I mean, Matt, do we know what

720
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Speaker 4: may have inspired this dissolution of the group.

721
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Pope grewsome balls and said I'm going to

722
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Speaker 2: take action. That's what happened. And we knew, we knew.

723
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Speaker 4: He had balls because of that special chair you have

724
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 4: to sit in.

725
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Speaker 2: Oh don't. I don't know about those special chairs. All

726
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying is, and that's why I think it's important,

727
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: is because this is a positive move for for somebody

728
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 2: in that high seat to be able to say, hey,

729
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: this is going to be over now. And we've seen, actually,

730
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Speaker 2: this Pope take a couple of actions like that already,

731
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Speaker 2: So hopefully it's a trend that moves towards fixing major

732
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Speaker 2: issues that occur within the church. In organizations attached to

733
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Speaker 2: the church.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it does seem like, with the gravity

735
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Speaker 3: of this kind of stuff and just the nature of

736
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Speaker 3: leadership and the Catholic Church, the too little, too late

737
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: argument is tough because it takes the right person to

738
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Speaker 3: come along and actually make effect change, you know, like

739
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: you have to have a hope that is progressive enough

740
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: and that sees this stuff is important enough to address,

741
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Speaker 3: and you're not always going to have that. So I

742
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 3: don't think I think it's a very positive thing, right.

743
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me see it's positive, it is. The question

744
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 4: is better late than ever. There's also the larger question

745
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: of which I think you're you're you're alluding to so

746
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 4: excellently here, Matt. The the Solidita is sort of we

747
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 4: could think of it as a franchise or a spin

748
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Speaker 4: off right of Catholicism overall. The question then becomes for

749
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 4: a lot of survivors of abuse, what next, you know,

750
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Speaker 4: your holiness? Will will there be will they be similar

751
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 4: scrutiny and accountability applied to the calls that were coming

752
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Speaker 4: from inside the house more directly?

753
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's the hope, right, And with regards to Fagari,

754
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: his attorney reached out to CNN or CNN reached out

755
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 2: his attorney responded, and the attorney emphasized that Fagari quote

756
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: maintains his innocence and pointed out that he has not

757
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: been convicted in a court of law for the allegations,

758
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: which is another issue we talked about in the show.

759
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Speaker 3: Right, he kind of just got this permanent vacation right

760
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: more or less?

761
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because a lot of parallel court system. Yeah,

762
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: because in a lot of the issues that we're talking

763
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: about here and the potential things for the Catholic Church

764
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: to handle, they would handle them internally and there was

765
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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of it would not be happening

766
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: in a court of law. The hope is that that

767
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Speaker 2: might change again, just hoping.

768
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Speaker 4: There's so much maybe the right word is inertia, maybe

769
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 4: the right word is momentum, But there's so much internal

770
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 4: theft that occurs within Catholicism and within a lot of

771
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 4: spiritual hierarchies of this size, where the first question people

772
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 4: ask is sometimes not we how do we protect the innocent,

773
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 4: but first it's how do we protect our institution? How

774
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 4: do we protect the church? You know, it reminds me

775
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 4: of for anybody's read the stand by Stephen King. There's

776
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: a moment where the US government decides to cover up

777
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 4: an outbreak of a very dangerous infection, and one of

778
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 4: the kind of JSOK guys at the top says, if

779
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 4: you find something terrible has happened to your institution, which

780
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 4: is your parent, yes you will, you will address the tragedy,

781
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 4: but first you cover your parent's body. And that's a

782
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 4: terrifying thing because it is quite apt in these sorts

783
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: of social dynamics, I would argue.

784
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Speaker 2: I would agree, oh yeah with you there. So, guys,

785
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: jumping back to the doomsday clock and this concept of

786
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 2: eighty nine seconds to midnight, one of the existential threats

787
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: that humanity faces is a general artificial intelligence man creating

788
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: something that is synthetic, that is smarter than man, that

789
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: is far more powerful than man, and that is connected

790
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: or rather interconnected through various systems that we use for everything.

791
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: That is one of the things that humans have to

792
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: grapple with because that thing could spell our doom for doomsday. So,

793
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: as you're hearing this on Monday, February third, the week before,

794
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: some strange stuff happened. Some strange stuff got announced and

795
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: the way that we exchange money and generate wealth out

796
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: of nothing. That system was rocked a little bit, and

797
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: that's it kind of gives us implications for the future.

798
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: So let's dive in here to the old stock market

799
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: and the I don't know, the race for general artificial

800
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: intelligence and all of this stuff, and the people who

801
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: want to use AI as the way to make money

802
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: and make industry stronger, faster, and more efficient. So if

803
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: you jump to the week before that is the week

804
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Speaker 2: of Monday, January twenty seventh, and to even get to

805
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: that week, we have to go one week prior to

806
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: the week of January twentieth, so we start here. There

807
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: was a massive rally on AI related stocks. Let's say

808
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: that's chip makers. That's folks who are building the giant

809
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, the chat GPTs of the world. So the

810
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: all of these companies, Microsoft, now everybody's kind of embroiled

811
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: in figuring out how to make the data centers, how

812
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: to get the power to the data centers, how to

813
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: make the chips strong enough to make the AI systems function,

814
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: and especially at scale, all of that. On the week

815
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: of January twentieth, there was a huge stock rally because

816
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: incoming US President Donald Trump announced this thing called Stargate,

817
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: Another Stargate, a different stargate, Stargate, a new AI.

818
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: Yeah it's not the movie. Yeah, it's the movie.

819
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: No, it's not the movie. It's also not Project Stargate,

820
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: which was the thing we talked about on this show before.

821
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: This was a new adventure, let's call it a joint venture,

822
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: which essentially was a five hundred billion dollar investment from

823
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: the United States government into companies that are building infrastructure

824
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: for AI. So it's a it's a private sector plan

825
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: to inject half a trillion dollars. And it started out

826
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Speaker 2: with one hundred billion dollars that would be given granted

827
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Speaker 2: for this stuff, and then another four hundred billion dollars

828
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: that would kind of be doled out over time as

829
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: you know, specific subprojects within Project Stargate were we're doing

830
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: really well well. So that was huge. And investors, you know,

831
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: because anybody can just buy stock anybody that wants to.

832
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: You could become an investor in an Nvidia if you

833
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: want to. And boy, howdy have people been investing in Nvidia.

834
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Speaker 3: Holy, it is a massive growth stock.

835
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Speaker 2: You know.

836
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 3: Up to this point, it's been like, you know, one

837
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: of the hot buys of the past, you know, a

838
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: handful of years.

839
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Speaker 2: Right, specifically because they're building the chips, the computer chips,

840
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: power processors that can function at speed and with enough

841
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: of them connected together at scale to make these these

842
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: things that will eventually be you know, general artificial intelligence

843
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: very likely, but are right now used in these in

844
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: these large language learning models like chat GBT. Well, that

845
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: same week, this startup out of China called deep Seek,

846
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: which is the origins are a bit unknown as a

847
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: private company. Some of the folks involved are known, but really,

848
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: like where are the money's coming from? Where, like what

849
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: they want to do with it? Nobody knows, right, And yeah, exactly,

850
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: it's a little hush hush, and we are in this

851
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: giant battle to make the best, fastest, cheapest version of

852
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: this thing so that it can scale the fastest. Right. Well,

853
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: they announced that they have a free AI assistant, a

854
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: new version of their AI assistant that they've been developing

855
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: for a long time that can use less data overall

856
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: at a fraction of the cost of things like chat GPT.

857
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 3: Well and a fraction of the necessary resources.

858
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: Right passing and power.

859
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: Right, this is all of the narrative, Yeah.

860
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and guys, by Monday, January twenty seventh, Deep

861
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: Seek in this new AI they just announced had overtaken

862
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: chat GPT and downloads from Apple's app store. So like that,

863
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: like it just happened. It was they announced it, and

864
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: then everybody downloaded it exactly and the big old pot.

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Speaker 2: And when that occurred, it caused investors to get really

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Speaker 2: afraid because all you know, if you imagine, like the

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Speaker 2: big investors, not just individuals, these companies that have these

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Speaker 2: these giant pools of money, they bought into Nvidia at

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Speaker 2: such scale that a lot of them started scaling back

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Speaker 2: just enough because they're not They didn't lose all their

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Speaker 2: faith in Nvidia and all these other companies and Microsoft

872
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Speaker 2: and Chat GPT, but they did think, oh, this could

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Speaker 2: be the disruptor, the real disruptor, right a little bit.

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Speaker 4: They chose a so think of it like a horse race.

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Speaker 4: They chose their horse, and their horse was proprietary, closed source.

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Speaker 4: And that is the fulcrum of the conversation now. And

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Speaker 4: I love that we're getting to this because again, legislation

878
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Speaker 4: as it stands is not equipped to handle or to

879
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Speaker 4: really dress or litigate these sorts of technological breakthroughs, especially

880
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 4: with everybody. Everybody is kind of playing uno are a

881
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Speaker 4: card game with the pursuit of AGI artificial general intelligence.

882
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Speaker 4: That's sort of the golden goose. That's the rough beast

883
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Speaker 4: slouching toward Bethlehem. As I think was Yates would say,

884
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Speaker 4: what are we learning here? We may be learning that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it's Is it not a little

886
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Speaker 4: bit hypocritical that inoal for some of the proprietary generators

887
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Speaker 4: of llms like open ai to argue that deep seek

888
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Speaker 4: is ripping them off.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, it's an arms race.

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Speaker 3: But wasn't there a story that indicated that deep seek

891
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Speaker 3: may well have been trained using some pre existing models.

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Speaker 2: There's all kinds of scuttle butt occurring right now about

893
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Speaker 2: that because they're not the only folks in town. Ali

894
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 2: Baba just announce their own thing that is also cheaper

895
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Speaker 2: and also you know, more efficient and can do all.

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Speaker 3: This Baba being massive more like an Amazon kind of right, Yeah,

897
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Speaker 3: PRC's Amazon basically.

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Speaker 4: We Also I love arms race because I would say

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Speaker 4: where it's it's a race to the bottom of affordability

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Speaker 4: and a race to the top of accessibility.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and it is.

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating because there are very different ways to use

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Speaker 2: this technology, reasons to arm you know, either a citizen

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Speaker 2: or let's say an army, a navy with this type

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Speaker 2: of this type of service. And the whole reason we're

906
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Speaker 2: talking about and why it is kind of an arms race,

907
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Speaker 2: because what if we learned over time when thinking about

908
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Speaker 2: stuff like the Vietnam War, thinking about Afghanistan and the USSR,

909
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: thinking about Ukraine right now and what's going on, the

910
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: expenditure of resources by a large country group in power

911
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: is often the way that country is drained of their

912
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Speaker 2: military might because they have no more resources to put

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Speaker 2: into manufacturing the weapons of war that would be used

914
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Speaker 2: to fight. In this case, with this simple announcement and

915
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Speaker 2: then everybody's reaction to that announcement, in Vidia lost in

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Speaker 2: a single day five hundred and ninety three billion dollars

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Speaker 2: worth of market value.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Matt, I'm sure you saw this is being

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Speaker 4: called a Sputnik moment.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, exactly, Like somebody they it's a brand new thing,

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Speaker 2: but it's not really a brand new thing, which I

922
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Speaker 2: don't know really, it's not really spending mo. It's a

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Speaker 2: I would I would say.

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Speaker 4: Well, Sputnik wasn't necessarily, I think, because there was a

925
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Speaker 4: lot of technology leading to that, and that's what's leading

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Speaker 4: to deep Seek. And you know, I love that we

927
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Speaker 4: started this part with establishing the somewhat imaginative nature of

928
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Speaker 4: investing in the stock market overall, because we're really quantifying

929
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Speaker 4: faith in the ability of a company, are we not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, it is also weird that in Vidia's

931
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Speaker 2: chips were used to build deep Seek, just the chips

932
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Speaker 2: that were like a couple generations back that take a

933
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Speaker 2: lot less power to function, and there's a couple other

934
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Speaker 2: cool things about that.

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Speaker 4: They're a lot less finicky as well because it's proven technology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna give you a quote here that

937
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: was in the Reuter's article. Reuter's article is deep Seek

938
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Speaker 2: sparks AI stock sell off in video post record market

939
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Speaker 2: cap loss, And here is a quote from Brian Jacobson,

940
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Speaker 2: the chief economist at Annex Wealth Management. He said, quote,

941
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Speaker 2: if it's true that deep seek is the proverbial better

942
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Speaker 2: mouse trap that could disrupt the entire AI narrative that

943
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Speaker 2: has helped drive the markets over the last two years. Again,

944
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Speaker 2: all that money getting thrown at companies like in Vidia,

945
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Speaker 2: it could mean less and for chips, less need for

946
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Speaker 2: a massive buildout of power production to fuel the models,

947
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Speaker 2: and less need for large scale data centers. Remember we

948
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Speaker 2: talked about nuclear power plants coming back online just to

949
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Speaker 2: fund these data centers, these massive servers that would fund

950
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Speaker 2: these lms. It would, it would, So maybe that is

951
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Speaker 2: why it's a spunding moment, because it would fully change

952
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: all of these long term plans that are that are

953
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: being put in place right now. And who knows. The

954
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Speaker 2: scary thing to me, guys, is that that happened on Monday,

955
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Speaker 2: January twenty seventh. Then the next day Tuesday in Vidio,

956
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: stock rose back up, not fully to where it was,

957
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: but it rose way back up, and then it fell again,

958
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Speaker 2: and then it rose back up a little bit. And

959
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Speaker 2: it does that and people are making fortunes and losing

960
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: fortunes in days time because of human concepts of what

961
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Speaker 2: is going to happen, just people's own nerves about what

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Speaker 2: the future holds.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's not even counting short selling, that's not even

964
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Speaker 4: counting you know, the various different financial I almost said it,

965
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Speaker 4: all right, the various different financial loop de loops you

966
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 4: can do. You know it will slide a hand, close

967
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 4: up magic of trading at the moment.

968
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Speaker 2: And none of it is real money. It's all speculation

969
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: that creates money in money, And dang, guys, if we

970
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: can do that, you could we could literally solve the

971
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: major problems that humanity faces right now.

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Speaker 3: I feel you, man.

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Speaker 4: I keep coming back to that too. I was I

974
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Speaker 4: was re listening to because I'm actually a fan of

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Speaker 4: our show. I was re listening to a conversation we

976
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Speaker 4: had earlier last week about the nature of being a billionaire.

977
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Speaker 4: Things are booming for billionaires right now. You have everybody's

978
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 4: life is sort of a choose your own adventure paperback

979
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 4: to give myself a dated reference, And if you're a billionaire,

980
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 4: you have more choices for your adventures. So why not

981
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 4: fund sanitation or literacy? Why not fight disease? Things like that?

982
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Speaker 4: To your point, Matt, if this stuff is really as

983
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 4: fabricated as it does as it does seem to be,

984
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 4: then we have to ask about the ethical quandaries involved,

985
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 4: you know, And I love that you're pointing out what's

986
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 4: happening here. As a disruptor. Right, Imagine a great chess game, right,

987
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 4: or maybe even think of Chinese checkers where you can

988
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 4: have multiple players on the same board deep seek. For

989
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 4: a lot of these folks privately, it's as though a

990
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 4: cat walked up while you were playing the game and

991
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 4: just went man at a bunch of the pieces on

992
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 4: the board. Now what happened to all your careful plans.

993
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 4: You've evolved a system that is inherently, inherently dependent upon

994
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 4: the propriety nature of discovery, upon the idea of holding

995
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 4: that from the greater public right such that it could

996
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 4: be commodified or monetized. And someone else comes in and says, hey,

997
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 4: this is a thing.

998
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 3: We figured out.

999
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 4: We leap frog the technology a little bit, and we

1000
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 4: made it not only cheaper for us to make, we

1001
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 4: made it open source. So hey, bud, if you've got

1002
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 4: some ideas, just drop by GitHub or whatever and post

1003
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 4: them and then maybe together we can make a better thing.

1004
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 4: If you have already expended a lot of a lot

1005
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 4: of your nest egg, right, if you've already gambled on

1006
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 4: the idea that this proprietary stuff will be a faucet

1007
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 4: that you own a piece of, then this is a

1008
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 4: very dangerous thing, even if it ends up being better

1009
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 4: for the world overall. It's just such a contradictory cognitive

1010
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 4: place to be, you know.

1011
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I'd like to end with a quote from

1012
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: John Mechlin, editor over at the Blotan of Atomic Scientists,

1013
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 2: and it's going to go back to that precipice quote,

1014
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: but it's the full quote, and I think this is

1015
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: what's most important here. Quote. In setting the clock to

1016
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 2: one second closer to midnight eighty nine seconds, we send

1017
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 2: a stark signal because the world is already perilously close

1018
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: to the precipice. A move of even a single second

1019
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: should be taken as an indication of extreme danger and

1020
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: an unmistakable warning that every second of delay in reversing

1021
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: course increases the probability of global disaster. So we are

1022
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: literally we're counting in seconds now, guys, to potentially the end,

1023
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 2: not for not for you, not for me, for everybody.

1024
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: So just as we're thinking about all this stuff occurring,

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01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 2: I don't know what we do to increase the positive

1026
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: thing and to increase the the hope that we can

1027
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 2: hold in ourselves that stuff's going to get better. But

1028
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 2: we need it, so let's do that.

1029
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 4: I'll tell you we should call Matt. We need Fujai

1030
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 4: on the case, there we go the lucky Chinese Quirgi cop.

1031
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm giving sub levity here because I agree

1032
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 4: with you, we need it. Each second is becoming more expensive,

1033
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 4: not only to exist within, but to reverse the course.

1034
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 4: What we're seeing are a wild agglomeration, or is a

1035
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 4: wild agglomeration of factors and aims that often contradict. And

1036
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 4: I keep saying it, but this is an elephant's making

1037
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 4: war situation, and it's very important to remember. If you're

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01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 4: hearing this, you are the grass Andrew.

1039
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: And you're delicious for those elephants. You're so tasty.

1040
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Speaker 3: Speaking of this, we.

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1064
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Speaker 4: writes back. Several of us listening this evening can attest

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Speaker 4: there's only one way to do so, take a step

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production

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