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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 1: straight Fire? Fam? It is your boy, Jason McIntyre here

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Speaker 1: on Straight Fire for Thursday, November four. Who boy, the

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Speaker 1: sports news in the NFL has just been so damn

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Speaker 1: chaotic these last I don't know, seventy two hours. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what a week it's been. Although, although before I get

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Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers and his um homeopathic treatments, can I

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Speaker 1: I gotta give a shout out to you guys, thank

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Speaker 1: you for the great response to the Tim Brando interview.

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Speaker 1: He was on Fire. It's a big college football weekend.

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Speaker 1: I will listen. I'll do the best bets on Friday,

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Speaker 1: but I'll tell you right now, out of principle, I

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Speaker 1: bet Cincinnati their favorite by like twenty two over Tulsa.

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Speaker 1: And you know they gonna come out one of two ways.

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Speaker 1: As we talked about with Brando, They're gonna either let

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Speaker 1: this get to their head. They're gonna get impacted by it,

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Speaker 1: they're not focused and maybe they lose, or they come

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Speaker 1: out scorched earth and put one on Tulsa and show

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Speaker 1: the committee what they're missing out on So I just

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Speaker 1: want to give you guys a big thank you for

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Speaker 1: the Tim Brando interview, and we got a good one today.

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Speaker 1: Before we dive into Aaron Rodgers, we brought in a

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Speaker 1: former NFL GM, Randy Mueller. You may know him. He's

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Speaker 1: been on the pod before. Real sharp guy was the

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Speaker 1: GM of the Dolphins, has worked in many front offices,

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Speaker 1: does some stuff for Fox Sports as his own website.

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Speaker 1: He helps us get to the bottom of what the

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Speaker 1: hell the Dolphins are doing right now with this chase

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham and Baker Mayfield and um, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: chaotic time in the NFL, Like, how the hell are

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Speaker 1: the Raiders supposed to focus on a game this week

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Speaker 1: when two weeks ago the coach got dusted for decade

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Speaker 1: how you get through this week, but you know, Randy

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Speaker 1: will help us make sense of all that. Um And

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Speaker 1: bet a couple for Jets colds tonight. Yes, I will

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Speaker 1: my Jets and Mike White, the Immortal Mike White in action.

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Speaker 1: But first, Aaron Rodgers has COVID. And it was funny

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Speaker 1: the watching how rapidly this moved on Wednesday morning. It

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Speaker 1: a fun fact I did not know. Aaron Rodgers has

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Speaker 1: never faced Patrick Mahomes. The two teams played two years ago,

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Speaker 1: but Mahomes was hurt. Matt Moore filled in. I'm almost

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Speaker 1: certain that was a primetime game, and Aaron Rodgers won't

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Speaker 1: against Patrick Mahomes, So we are being robbed. This kind

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Speaker 1: And then about within like fifteen minutes, the story pivoted

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Speaker 1: thinking he lied to the media. First of all, it

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Speaker 1: R to listen live. I gotta ask Randy this um

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Speaker 1: this situation with the Raiders, and we don't need to

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Speaker 1: go into the Henry Ruggs obviously he's in significant trouble

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Speaker 1: out of the league right now. But on the heels

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Speaker 1: of the gruten thing, you've got rugs and as a GM,

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Speaker 1: how do you keep this team together focused on the

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Speaker 1: goal of, Hey, we had a great start, can we

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Speaker 1: get to the playoffs? When there's so many distractions, Like

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's really the GM's job, but

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Speaker 1: talk me through it, like you got an interimed coach,

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Speaker 1: you got another guy in jail, Like what does the

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Speaker 1: GM do in this situation? It's very much the on

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Speaker 1: the GM's plate, to be honest with you, And it's

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Speaker 1: something that I say every year. When you build your

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Speaker 1: team on paper and people comment about how good you

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Speaker 1: should be, how good you might not be. That's great,

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Speaker 1: that's one thing, but managing your team through the ups

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Speaker 1: and downs of seventeen weeks is crazy hard. And people

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Speaker 1: have no idea, and the Raiders are getting a little

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Speaker 1: taste of that this year. It's not like Mike Mayock

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Speaker 1: has a bunch of experience managing NFL teams, right, so

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Speaker 1: that this is gonna fall, you know, mainly on his plate.

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Speaker 1: Rich Bisaci's got to coach the team. But I do

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Speaker 1: think it will test their relationships. I think one reason

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Speaker 1: they acted so quickly in the Ruggs case was they

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Speaker 1: want this. They don't want the distraction is hard and

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Speaker 1: they've had their share of of these things already, so

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Speaker 1: I think they acted quickly. They want to move on.

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Speaker 1: I understand it. It's a sad case and a sad thing,

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Speaker 1: but they've been filled full of this now for the

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Speaker 1: last month. So whether they can overcome this, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot to ask, I'll be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: a lot to ask. Because these guys are all human,

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Speaker 1: they all understand it. Ruggs has relationships there. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a tough one to swallow initially, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: So talk me through it. If you're the GM, do

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Speaker 1: you address the team as a whole? Do you go

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Speaker 1: offense and defense? Do you do position groups? Like how

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Speaker 1: do you stay on message to everybody while keeping the

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Speaker 1: confidence and keeping the faith. I think normally, if if

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Speaker 1: John Gruden were there and I was new GM, I

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Speaker 1: would probably stay out of the mix. I would converse

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Speaker 1: with John every day. But the fact that they now

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Speaker 1: have a head coach he's never done it before, I

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Speaker 1: think the GM has to take a more active role,

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Speaker 1: and I would meet with the team as a whole

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Speaker 1: more than ever before. I'm always a believer that when

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Speaker 1: the season is going on, the team doesn't need to

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Speaker 1: hear from the GM. I'll have some conversations with some

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Speaker 1: guys at practice and in passing, but I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to address the team. But I think in this case,

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Speaker 1: you have to address the team, and I assume Mike

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Speaker 1: has done that. I think he's got to show some

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Speaker 1: leadership here, and I have no reason to doubt that he.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't already. Because we're all in this together. They

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Speaker 1: want to hear it from the top. You may even

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Speaker 1: have Mark Davis addressed the team as well. But I

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Speaker 1: think you've got to find some together this year. You've

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Speaker 1: got to find some some comfort with from within and

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Speaker 1: everything that's being said, everything that's being written, everything that's

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Speaker 1: happening swirling around us. We've got to confide that this

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Speaker 1: is our group right here, and and I'm not making

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Speaker 1: any statement that it is less than sympathetic to what's happened,

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Speaker 1: but they've got to find a way to win a

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Speaker 1: game now this week, so they've got to turn the

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Speaker 1: stuff to just say like, hey, move on. You've got

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Speaker 1: to move on. But how about this. Did you ever

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Speaker 1: tinker with like bringing in a motivational speaker or some

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Speaker 1: like outside expert to address the team and someone who

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to say grief counselor, but

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Speaker 1: someone who can handle this kind of thing. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what kind of guy Henry Ruggs, if he was

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Speaker 1: a leader in the locker room or like an alpha,

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Speaker 1: But it seems like they've been through a lot and

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Speaker 1: somebody's gonna need to talk to them. And if you're

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Speaker 1: a GM, you know you're equipped with, like, hey, scouting

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Speaker 1: and draft and free agency and salary cap This is

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Speaker 1: a totally you're not There's no manual for this, right,

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Speaker 1: there's no manual for it. I've had to deal with

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Speaker 1: some individual crises, some team crises, you know. I remember

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Speaker 1: getting off a bus went time at practice and and

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Speaker 1: having to tell one of our players that his grandfather

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Speaker 1: had just died that morning, and and you have to

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Speaker 1: go through all kinds of grief stricken messaging. UM. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you've got to have a team in place. Um. And

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Speaker 1: maybe some of that comes with a chaplain other team.

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Speaker 1: Other it comes with with just motivational people. The team

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Speaker 1: has these things all in place already. You hope you

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Speaker 1: never have to use them, but I would guess, and

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Speaker 1: I would hope in this case they use some of

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Speaker 1: those things. I'm not a counselor. I'm you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: that's way above my pay grade. But sometimes you've gotta

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Speaker 1: figure out things. You know your players, they're gonna want

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Speaker 1: to come to you. You've got to show a human side,

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Speaker 1: and you've got to be there for him as much

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Speaker 1: as anything. Sometimes it's just hearing them out. Once you

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Speaker 1: get the direction that you might think they need some

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Speaker 1: help in a certain area, you've gotta go get it.

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Speaker 1: As a GM, you've got to facilitate all the help

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Speaker 1: that they need without a doubt. And I'm sure Mike

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Speaker 1: Mack has his has his hands full, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: The building of your team, the scouting and all that

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Speaker 1: really gets pushed to the side and you have to

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Speaker 1: deal with crises like these Green Bay packers and Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: There was a huge can I call it a kerfuffle

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Speaker 1: among the media that Aaron Rodgers had lied to them

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Speaker 1: back in August when he said he was immunized. Now

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Speaker 1: we're splitting hairs. La Fleur has to meet with the

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Speaker 1: media Wednesday, and what does he say. That's a good

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Speaker 1: question for Aaron. Obviously, you never, none of us ever

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Speaker 1: dealt with anything like a global pandemic and COVID. But Randy,

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Speaker 1: it's do you think people look at Aaron Rodgers as

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Speaker 1: in that locker room like he lied or do you

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Speaker 1: think internally they know more than we do on the outside. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's been such a personal nature for all of us

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Speaker 1: right everywhere in the world. I do think there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some that feel that there's some deception involved. I

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Speaker 1: don't think, and from what I understand, I'm not in there.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the protocols were followed to a t.

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Speaker 1: We'll find that out. The NFL has cameras everywhere. Now

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Speaker 1: they're gonna go through all the all the video and

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Speaker 1: find out who's doing when it comes to protocols for COVID.

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Speaker 1: So if the if the Packers are guilty of some

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Speaker 1: of this, they're gonna pay a heftier price than to

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Speaker 1: lose uh lose him for ten days. So there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some issues that we haven't heard the end of it.

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Speaker 1: I think that's why you hear the indecision, the anxiousness

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Speaker 1: in Matt Lafleur's um voice. Nobody really knows how this

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Speaker 1: could come down. Are you thinking like they could get

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Speaker 1: doc draft picks find if protocols weren't followed, Because it

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Speaker 1: to me as as I'm you know, recording this now,

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Speaker 1: it's unclear if the team knew Rogers had been vaccinated. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the team even well, actually that's

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Speaker 1: not true. I think they they viewed him a league

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Speaker 1: and the players Association as being unvaccinated. I think they

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Speaker 1: have to know that ahead of time. So I do

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Speaker 1: think you had to check a box. If you didn't,

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Speaker 1: then there's definitely some some wiggle room and they'll be

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Speaker 1: lawyers involved in everything else. So because like the kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins of the world, was upfront about it, yes, Rogers

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Speaker 1: and it is a personal thing. I'm not saying he

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Speaker 1: should have been upfront, but people will view it as deception.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know, Randy, this is a tough one,

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Speaker 1: but it's weird how many quarterbacks seem on vaccinated large

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Speaker 1: but now Cam Newton went out and wasn't vaccinated, then

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Speaker 1: got vaccinated because he wanted to get a job. I

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Speaker 1: don't Is there am I reaching to say leadership vaccination? Like?

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Speaker 1: I don't? You could? Could you say? Aaron Rodgers has

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Speaker 1: cost his team uh this game by not being able

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Speaker 1: to play, and he's out ten days because he's un vaccinated,

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Speaker 1: so he won't be eligible until the day before Seattle.

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Speaker 1: There's a chance he misses that guy. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Is there a leadership issue here? Are we reaching? There's

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Speaker 1: no question that he puts his team in a tougher

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Speaker 1: spot that I don't think you can debate that, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do think leaderships involved. We are all leaders to

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Speaker 1: a certain point, whether it's in our lives or families

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Speaker 1: or anywhere along the way, and we all have decisions

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Speaker 1: to make. If I think I'm gonna put my family

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Speaker 1: in some type of fear or in some type of

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Speaker 1: a bad spot, I'm gonna do what's best to avoid that.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why I'm surprised that these quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: there's there's a few of them that have stuck to

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Speaker 1: their guns and decided they didn't want to get vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: That'd be a hard spot to put the rest of

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Speaker 1: your team, in, your coaches, your teammates, just because of

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Speaker 1: the fact that you don't know what's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: and now you're right. Instead of being able to come

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Speaker 1: back after two positive tests twenty four hours apart, he's

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Speaker 1: got to set ten days no matter what. So he's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be, you know, at least in question for

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Speaker 1: the Seattle game. There won't be any practice involved, that's

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Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, and they were in line for the

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Speaker 1: potential number one in the NFC. Quite a disaster, all right.

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Speaker 1: We can wrap up with the delicate Cleveland Browns issued

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Speaker 1: as we record this. Odell Beckham still a member of

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, but there were reports Wednesday he was

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Speaker 1: told to stay home from practice even though he was

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Speaker 1: ready to go. Now, Randy, I know that there is

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Speaker 1: no binder with how to deal with angry NFL parents.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Odell Beckham's dad post this video on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: some eleven minute YouTube video. I don't think he in

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Speaker 1: sally posted to YouTube, but he posted a YouTube clip

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Speaker 1: on his Instagram page and it's still up there with

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Speaker 1: half a million views, probably seven hundred fifty thousand. By now,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's clear he wants out. What the hell

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Speaker 1: do you do if you're the GM and the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns like this is Stefanski's a second year coach. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where to begin. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: it's awkward at best, right, I mean, obviously you you've

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Speaker 1: got to have a conversation with him. He's got to

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Speaker 1: have one with Baker. You know, it's something you hopefully

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Speaker 1: don't ever have to deal with. But let's face it,

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Speaker 1: Guys have egos, Guys have their own brand, Guys have

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Speaker 1: their own agendas, So you're dealing with that all the time. Now,

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Speaker 1: he's not getting traded, so he's not going away. That

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Speaker 1: window is closed. Nobody's gonna get an exception for that.

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Speaker 1: I think in this case, you've got to try to

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Speaker 1: put it to bed as fast as you can. But

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Speaker 1: I think in this case there might be more to

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Speaker 1: the story than we know, because there is the Browns

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Speaker 1: hold the card of conduct detrimental. That's one way to

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Speaker 1: not pay him, and that's way one way to suspend him.

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Speaker 1: But wait, what what did he do? There was that

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Speaker 1: premental We don't know, That's my point. We're not there,

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Speaker 1: we don't know what was staying inside the building. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, if they sent this kid home, there must

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Speaker 1: be there could very easily be more to it than

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Speaker 1: we know. I don't think he's being sent home for

636
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: his dad to put out a video on YouTube. That

637
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense to me. So I'm and again,

638
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have any voice in the room.

639
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, but I just if you're

640
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: gonna send somebody home, it's got to be worse than this.

641
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: So there, My guess is there's some dialogue, there's some

642
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: other issue that has come up, or that's been part

643
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: of this. Maybe he was already on double secret probation.

644
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: Maybe he's already had two or three trips to the

645
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: principal's office before this. So we just don't know. And

646
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: I think at some point the other shoe is gonna

647
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: drop and we'll see. I just can't imagine them paying

648
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: him seventeen million dollars to send him home. That's not

649
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: gonna last, so, I mean, and that's the thing. Other

650
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, he'll end up with the Niners.

651
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: They need receivers. Well I'm like, wait, is it? Why

652
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: would Cleveland try to help anyone by paying him and

653
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: then he goes and plays and maybe gets to a

654
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: super Bowl or something like. I'm not, I'm not. I

655
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't release it. Would you release him? No chance? Not

656
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: beat if you have to pay him? Now. Now again,

657
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: I've never been an NFL GM. I am curious, Randy.

658
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: Can they broker a deal where O'Dell says, you don't

659
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: have to pay me. I just want to move on?

660
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: Does that exist or is that not even possible? I

661
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: guess the players Association? Yeah, no, that's not gonna happen.

662
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: There's cat ramifications as well that that they'll have to

663
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: take some acceleration if he's not there. So I'm not

664
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to release him. He's either going to

665
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: play and be compliant or he's not gonna get paid

666
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: and he's gonna put on get put on an exemple

667
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: list of some kind. They'll have the league involved, The

668
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: NFL will be involved in it. As well if it

669
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: gets to a certain point. That's why I'm saying, even

670
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: to send him home, there's got to be more to

671
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: it than this. I mean, I think we can handle

672
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: the video stuff in our sleep, right. We're just gonna

673
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: bring everybody in and you know, sit him in the

674
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: corner and sort it out. But there has to be

675
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: something else. Are you surprised? Um? You know Odell didn't

676
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: say to his dad, Hey, dad, you're doing more harm

677
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: than good. Would you mind taking that down? Well, of course,

678
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: because I could make a case and put a tape

679
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: together of O'Dell throwing one hand up and in kind

680
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: of a poor effort to catch the ball that could

681
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: have made the difference in the game as well. So

682
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful when you start pointing fingers and

683
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: blaming you know, other people, when I'm not sure you've

684
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: got your own house in order. I was. I was

685
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: at so Far for the Chargers Browns game with some

686
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: with buddies and my kid, and you know, we're watching

687
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: O'Dell and I'm just saying, Randy, he doesn't hustle back

688
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: to the huddle after running a deep round. He's just walking.

689
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: You see everyone else jogging let's get back. He's just casual.

690
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: He just didn't seem into it. And what happened to

691
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: this guy? He was a huge star with Randy Moss

692
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: type numbers the first three years. Do you think it

693
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: was simply that catch that he made against the Giants

694
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: on national TV? It was everywhere and he became a

695
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: global star and it just went to his head? Or

696
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, is it I heard him say it, Jason,

697
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: that he had his life changed after that catch. I

698
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: think everything about him changed after that catch. Then he

699
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: has a contract, then he gets traded for something else,

700
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: and he's he's been the big fish forever. And if

701
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: I know Stephen Kevin Stefanski's smart, he's gonna try to

702
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: find a way to use O'Dell to to help them

703
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: win games. But he also has a system in place,

704
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: and he's not going to venture too far out of

705
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: that system just to make one guy happy. So there's

706
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: a there's a double edged sword here as to how

707
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: they sort this out. It'll be interesting because if the

708
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: body language has been an issue for weeks now, if

709
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: they've already talked to him several times, if he's drugged

710
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: other people down, I see, uh, Landry the other receiver

711
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: dropping three or four balls in the game, and he's

712
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: shrugging his shoulders as well. Who knows where that's coming from.

713
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: So they're they're dealing with some issues there. I am curious.

714
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: Will wrap on this. Do you think that if it

715
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: were up to Baker Mayfield, he would probably rather not

716
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: play with Odell Beckham because there last year they didn't

717
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: have him, he was hurt. They get to the playoffs,

718
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: they win a game, and this year Odell's back, and

719
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, as you're you're a quarterback, Baker Mayfield,

720
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: you're playing with a high price superstar who you know,

721
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: like you said, puts his hand up all the time.

722
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: It almost feels like he hurts more than helps. I

723
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: don't know, could be. I don't think Baker really cares.

724
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I think Baker is really um.

725
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: Nobody can question his values, his heart, his toughness. After

726
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: what he did last week. He got a broken shoulder

727
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: and a torn labra and they rolled him out there.

728
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: So I don't think you can question him wanting to

729
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: win and do what's right for the team. So I

730
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: really don't think he cares. I think everybody sees the

731
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: talent of O. B. J. It's just a matter of

732
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: harnessing it and get it done in a positive way

733
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: without all the distractions that that's been the case for

734
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: four or five years though the key word. All right,

735
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: Randy Mueller, good stuff. Tell us about your website, Well,

736
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: I do a little consulting work at mueller Football dot com.

737
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: I also right for a blog on there that uh

738
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: two or three times a week I'll have some thoughts

739
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: from the GM's chair. And then obviously I do the

740
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: podcast for the Athletic with Mike Sando called The Football GM.

741
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: So just enough to keep me busy. We love your

742
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: work at Fox Sports as well. All right, Randy, thanks

743
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: a lot, and uh, enjoy the rest of the drama

744
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: filled NFL season never stops. Thank you. The only thing

745
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: better than sitting on your couch watching the game making

746
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: money while you do it. Here's your best bet. Alright,

747
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: it's time for the best bet here on straight fire.

748
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: My Jets in the prime time against the Colts. Not

749
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: a game you want to build your Thursday night around.

750
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: The Colts three and five after that devastating loss to

751
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: the Titans. Jets two and five after the huge win

752
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: over the bank goals. And it's funny because I had

753
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: a couple of Jets Jets buddies actually text me, Hey, um,

754
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: have you looked at the schedule? Do you think we

755
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: got a chance at the playoffs? And I'm like I

756
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: had to, I couldn't. I didn't have my sarcasm detector

757
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: on me, so I wasn't sure if this person was

758
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: being real. But essentially I was like, wait a minute,

759
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: we still have two games left against the Bills. Like

760
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: I know that that we still have to play Miami twice,

761
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: that it could be a win or two, and there's Houston,

762
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: but we're in the a f C. Like we don't

763
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: even have our quarterback. I don't want to hear this

764
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: Mike White stuff like a factor in the Jets can

765
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: make a playoff. On the the week before that, they

766
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: got smashed. They gave up fifty four points and five

767
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: change yards, like they got lucky to beat the Bengals.

768
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's just take it for what it is.

769
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: The Jets got a lucky win. They were down by

770
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: eleven with five minutes left, came back and won the

771
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: game like they got lucky. Let's be realistic and all

772
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 1: these people rushing. You know, the most obvious prop bet

773
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: that everybody's gonna hammer is the receiver props for Michael

774
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: Carter and Ty Johnson. So Mike White, who is a

775
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: real name, was thirty seven forty five against the Bengals.

776
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: Of those thirty seven completions, are you ready for this,

777
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: fourteen went to Michael Carter and Ty Johnson, who you

778
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: would not know if if if you had a pizza

779
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: delivered to your house and Ty Johnson or Michael Carter

780
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: were delivering the pizza, you would have no idea who

781
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: they were. It was checked down city. Why is that? Well?

782
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: The Bengals linebackers stink in coverage, So Mike White gave

783
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: with the defense was offering all checked out. They did

784
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: not the an eltball down the field. Zero passes over

785
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: twenty six yards. It was all short stuff. What do

786
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: you think the cults are gonna do? They're smart, they

787
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: watch the tape. They have way better coverage linebackers uh Okareki,

788
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard. They are gonna take that away and say, okay,

789
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: beat us on the outside. Can you can you beat

790
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: us on the outside with Denzel Mims, who is totally

791
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: looking like a massive flop as the second round pick.

792
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: We know Jamison Carter is good in the slot. Uh,

793
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: he might be a problem, but they're gonna take away

794
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: the running back passes. That's obvious. It just feels like

795
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: a lot of the NFL handicapping these days is looking

796
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: at what happened last week and making your decision based

797
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: on that, and it's like, that's just I just think

798
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: that's terrible. If anything, I'm gonna fade that narrative on

799
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: a prop bet and go under Michael Carter receptions of

800
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: five and a half because if we know Mike White

801
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: lived and survived through the dump offs, anytime he had

802
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: to throw the ball down the field, well he was

803
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: intercepted twice. It's all right, we'll take away what he

804
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: doesn't see what his movie is after that. So I'm

805
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: not optimistic at all about this game. Uh. Colts have

806
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: a good run defense. Uh didn't look particularly good last week,

807
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: but against Derrick Henry they held him to like two

808
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: point nine yards and carry Umty gashed them, really but

809
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: then they slowed slowed to Uh, they were slowed down

810
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: with the cultur run defense. I got a bad feeling

811
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: the Jets get blown out here. Um. I don't trust

812
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, which is good if any if you're asking

813
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: me where the bed is, I would take ten, and

814
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I would give ten. With the Colts, I

815
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: don't like ten and a half. So if you can't,

816
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: if you don't want to, you know, if you don't

817
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: see a ten anywhere, I'm not I'm not doing ten

818
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: and a half, no, thank you. I've had enough brutal

819
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: beats by half a point this year. I'm not messing

820
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: with that. But I like the props. I like Michael

821
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: Pittman over the jet secondary remains of just an absolute mess.

822
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: Colts offensive line is better than the Bengals, and remember

823
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: Burrow was under Darress, sacked three times, could not get loose.

824
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: Um had a couple of big plays to uh dump

825
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: off to mix In and then te Higgins down the field.

826
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: But Jamaar Chase was super quiet, jet shaded toward him

827
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: only three catches on nine targets. However, the reality is

828
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman is He's not as good as Jamaar Chase,

829
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: but Michael Pittman's gonna have a field day indoors against

830
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: his jet secondary. I like Pittman over yards, like Pittman

831
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: over catches. It doesn't look like the hy Hilton is

832
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: gonna play. Um I would I think the Colts. This

833
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: to me feels like a twenty seven ten Colts win.

834
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: And you know I don't. Again, I'm not one of

835
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: these guys who's you know, a Jets fan, and it's like,

836
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: we gotta win this game. Let's get back in the

837
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: playoff mix. Like that does nothing. This team is so

838
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: has so talent deficient, is so talent deficient all over

839
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: the place. I mean, the secondary is one of the

840
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: worst in the league. Um. The linebackers, they need an upgrade.

841
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: Now we'll see what happens. They got a bunch of injuries,

842
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: they got a lot of guys that we haven't seen yet.

843
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: They don't have a tight end. Um, I really don't

844
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: think they have a number one receiver by the way,

845
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Speaker 1: um R Davis out again. Um so, and listen, I

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Speaker 1: like Mike White story last week. Great, there's zero chance

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Speaker 1: he duplicates that or comes close zero. I'm sorry, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just not happening. Um So I'll go

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Speaker 1: Colts Jets ten. And I know this is not gonna

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Speaker 1: be popular, but I am looking seriously at the Colts

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Speaker 1: in Survivor. It's probably gonna be a game day pick,

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Speaker 1: and um, I would I would look to start the

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Speaker 1: Colts defense in fantasy. They could have a night Thursday

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Speaker 1: night football. UM for rookie coaches has not been kind. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we saw how badly the Eagles fell behind earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's a tough one for for a young coach,

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Speaker 1: especially off that win over the Bengals. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: optimistic about the Jets. I will watch it after my

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Speaker 1: daughter soccer practice. Everybody have a good one. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you tomorrow.