WEBVTT - Ep. 418 "Justice For Julius Jones" 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:09.320 That's what's good family. I'm to mek A D. Mallardy 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.920 and it's your boy my son in general and where 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.840 your host, the street politicians, the place where the streets 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:20.040 and politics meet. We have a really, really powerful show today. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.800 So we're not going to talk too much in our 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:27.440 intro where we just kind of kicked the kicked the 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.800 Willie Bobo going, you've been good, but you know what 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:32.360 I mean, man, You know I'm putting up with it. 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.559 Sucker du no, y'all's new thing that I love. I 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.280 called Torik my son for those listening who don't know 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.080 who Trek is, but you should because I talked about 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:43.800 more time and I'm like, hey, man, what's what's up 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:45.199 what you do? And I haven't heard from you know, 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.280 he lives on his own, he's in a different state. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.239 So I'm like, what you're doing. I haven't heard from you. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.839 He's like, I'm just staying out the way. Mother, that's it. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.560 I say, I'm sucker ducking man. He's putting up with it. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.000 And so staying out the way means trying not to 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:02.680 be the center of anyone. You don't want to drama, 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:04.880 you don't want to hate, you don't want. You just 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.040 want to stay in your own lane people. But people 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.400 say they're staying out the way and there and they 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.880 are the way of the problem. I just want that 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:17.319 to be acknowledged, like you're staying out the way, and 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.000 yet you are the one. You're the one that's always 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.040 getting on my nerves, like you know, like he had. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:24.600 I know, I'm not supposed to talk too much, but 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.440 I'd say, he's a dog, and I don't really like dogs. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.600 That's not my thing. First of all, I'm terrified of dogs. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:33.480 I think I'm getting better. It's kind of like I'm 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.440 getting over it because no one else seems to care, 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.640 especially the people who have dogs that I tell them 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.039 I'm afraid and they go, yeah, she's just gonna just 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:43.680 touch you a little bit, and it's going. But I 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:48.640 don't want it on me at all, not in the space, 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.640 don't sniff nothing. So I that's not my thing. I'm 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.400 not I'm not a dog person. But you've got this 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.800 dog and the dog it's kind of cute. So I 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.559 checked the dog out. I look at the dog. I'm like, well, 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.560 the dog's hair needs to be like something's done around 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.040 the eyes or something, because it feels like dogs hairs 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.960 and eyes. He's like, yeah, I got it. I'm taking 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.200 care of it. So the next day I called back, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.760 I'm like, let me see the dog straight. He's like, 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:15.760 what are you talking. I'm like, did you get the 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.840 dog's eyes? Taking care of Then? To that, I said, okay, 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.440 I'm getting ready calling people whoever it is that you're 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.919 supposed to call to report folks that are not doing 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.160 the right thing with their dog. I'm calling those people 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:33.760 because and he's like, somebody that doesn't like dogs has 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.920 the audacity to be up in my business with me 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.280 and my dog. But that's because I mind his business 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:47.160 about everything. So now i'm the doggy grandmother monua business. Okay, 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.400 I'm gonna try, but I'm a doggy grandmother. That is 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.359 kind of cute. So now you didn't like the dog, 0:02:54.600 --> 0:03:00.280 I think I should take the dog. Actually, how just 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.400 it was from you don't like dogs to you advocating 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.320 for the dog to do grandmother, and now you should 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.400 take the dog. Yeah, because he doesn't really know how 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.880 to take care of a dog, because you do well, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:12.720 you know, I know how to take care of a child. See, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.480 so the dog that you don't really like, you know, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.880 how to take care of because you child. Our friend Jamilla, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.600 she did the same thing to her son. Um, she 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.680 took his dog too, you know, she took Kai's dog. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.320 So now the dog that she has that was Kai's dog. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.320 She went to Kai's house, found the dog, loved the dog, 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.519 the dog, she brought the dog home, and the poor 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.520 man lost his dog. So this is the thing. Mother's 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:41.600 taking the kid's dog. So anyway, the show today though, 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.280 is you know, a really really important one. We've been 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:50.240 advocating for this young man, Julius Jones, who was on 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.360 death row in Oklahoma. Our friend or rolland Um, you know, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.920 has asked us to support and we've been doing that. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.560 And today we're gonna get brought up to speed on 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:04.480 the end tire situation by his friends and other advocates 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.320 and just people who have been working on it. So 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.880 we want to give them as much time as possible. 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:13.400 We're really dedicating a long uh segment in the show 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:18.279 today to Julius Jones and the fight for justice for him. Um, 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:26.239 so we're gonna get to that quickly. My little thought 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.240 of the day is also kind of like funny, but 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.800 it's not funny. It's actually not funny, it's actually deadly. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:37.840 Why is it that people do not understand in a 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:43.560 COVID world, a pandemic world, to stop talking in your 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.160 face when they're taking pictures. You know, you take your 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.400 mask off and you stand next to a person you're 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.640 trying to take the picture, but because you want your face, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.480 but you really know you got to harry it, put 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.960 your mask back on and instead of them saying, you know, well, 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.320 instead of them just taking the picture, they like, I 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.640 just love you so much, and you just what you're 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:10.840 right here? Back up what you got fans, listen, a 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.159 lot of people. You are inspiration to a lot of people. 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.800 Some people they lose theirselves because I've watched people come 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.800 with you and like, oh my god, you're to go 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.000 and they don't not even cognizance, conscious of what they're 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.760 going on. And in that moment, and you know me, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.040 I want to talk to everybody. I'm gonna stop, I'm 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.240 gonna talk. I'm willing to take pictures and I don't 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.960 even like being on camera at all, but I will 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.080 take a thousand pictures. I don't mind. I want to 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.240 talk to people. I want to feel the people. What 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.560 I am saying is that it is a time of cold, 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:51.600 paying them make six feet distance. So if you and 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.920 I are standing here taking a picture together, talk to 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.600 the front, let the air go this way. Do not 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:03.040 turn your reath towards my face to tell me about 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:11.800 my grandmother. You know you have. I'm of course it was, 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.240 but I'm just saying there's a reason for us to 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.400 now bring it up, because if I had said it 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:20.440 before COVID, they would say she's just weird and rude. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.920 But I really want to know. Then here's my second thing, 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.720 what is wrong with ya? Because it's all none of 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.440 all the same thing. It's all the thought is the 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.839 thought of the thought of the day is what would 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:41.360 we please observe the six feet distance rules? And I 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:46.080 think people don't know what that entails. I think they 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.279 only understand six ft like you standing on the line 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.120 and you gotta be six ft apart. They don't understand 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:58.760 that six feet mindset means don't breathe in my face. Okay, 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.760 don't breathe over my food when we're sitting somewhere and 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:04.680 we all haven't dinner, just because we don't we we 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.000 can't wear masks. Don't talk over my food. But you know, 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:12.560 what I don't understand about men, especially in this COVID crisis. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.680 Why do y'all still shake hands with people that you 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.760 just meeting on the street. People talk, yo, mice, it's 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:21.760 good to see you. They've seen you on the street, 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.200 and they're touching your hands and then and you and 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.400 you have those and you actually touched them back. It 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.520 is the craziest thing I've ever This is six ft 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.600 six ft that means do it. And that's what I'm saying. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.920 This should be a rule thing because I think people 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:41.680 don't understand that six ft includes don't touch me, don't 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:47.320 touch me. We're good this COVID, Like, I'm serious, You 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.920 touch people's hands all the time. And I didn't, like 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.040 you said, even before COVID, because I watched the man 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.880 I told you, I watched the man scratching all over 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.640 doing all kinds of nasty stuff, and then he came 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.480 right up to you and shook your hand, and you 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:06.320 was doing it up, and I switt as soon as 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.560 you turned around, I had that sanitized and skirting it 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:14.240 all over, like cleaning you down, and you didn't even know. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.520 So I just want to know why y'all don't see 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.040 this well I think what it is is it's forced 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.000 to have it. You know, when somebody has been doing 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.440 something for forty plus years, right, it's hard to just 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.560 change that in a year and change you know. It's 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.920 hard for people two whatever you say, it's hard for 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.400 people to just say, you know what, I'm no longer 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.840 going to just that people because it's a sign of 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:42.360 you know, karatie, a sign of love, respect, People personalize. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:47.320 So I think most of us are still fighting, you know, 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:52.959 to keep that connection, to keep con It's not really 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.000 a connection when you when you do that to somebody 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.600 in my world, it really means I don't really funk 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.200 with you, you know what I'm saying. Normally when you do, 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.640 like if you go like this to somebody and you 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:03.800 go like that, it's like you just stay away, you 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.600 cool because six ft I'm just trying to tell you, 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.559 I'm talking about the normal. Would it meant if somebody 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:10.559 walk up to you to give you a help and 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.840 you go like this, But we didn't normally do that 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.040 I'm saying now. But I'm just trying to tell you 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.880 that's not a term of endearment. It's not like I 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.400 really I'm good always something Let me, I'm happy to see. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.320 It's not it doesn't mean that. No, that means as 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.560 soon as you do that to somebody that's anxious to 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.640 see you, it throws them off guard. It's like, okay, 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.280 then why you don't say because see I have to 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.200 say because they look at me like really, that's what 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:41.000 we're doing. That's what we're doing cold day six feet 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.400 and they and they take it, but it's still it 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.480 drows him back and they're like, damn, I dreamt about 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.240 this one time I might be able to hug to 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.640 me him and there's no hug. But I'm telling you, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.920 you think you think you don't have fans. They're like, yeah, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:55.520 I just want to shake your hand with its dudes 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.480 that come to me and like, yo, I love you 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.560 like you want of my favorite I just want to 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.640 always say, you just want to shake that brother's hand. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:04.599 And the time they get to shake their hand of 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.800 like not cold. Yeah, I'm just gonna go and because 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:09.880 you know why, and you know what I tell you, 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:16.240 give me a little bit whatever it is from my things. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.840 I'm gonna take a little handshake and wash my hands. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.320 Part of the thought of the day is also that 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.440 sanitizer needs to go on the back side of the hand, 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.840 all through the fingers, not just this right here, and 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:35.920 and every single day when you get but it's so serious. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.719 It's not the It serious is that you are so 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.880 serious every single day when you get home at night 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:47.960 you think this cell phone is not your g This 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:55.439 has turned into the German Fold episode. Every aspect that 0:10:55.520 --> 0:11:00.640 you could transfer an episode, y'all, Jarnes, because you're cell phone, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.920 you touch this, you touch that when the person shakes 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.120 your hand. It's not like right then you cleaning yourself up, 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.240 So then you touch your phone. Didn you do this? 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.400 Didn't you do that? Then you go to your house 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.120 and put the phone down, You go wash your hands. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.280 If you're listening, my head is in my hand. You 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.640 wash your hands, and then you go back and get 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:25.720 your phone. Go alright, well, I'm gonna leave it alone. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.840 But I just want the world to know that we're 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.400 still in the pandemic. First of all, people just nasty anyway, 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:38.080 But let's just go with the pandemic. And it's six 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:44.000 feet six and we're looking for a bubble for Tamika 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:48.080 just could surround us, and no Jo, you think it's funny. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.840 I just want you to know. Okay, to be clear, 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.240 let the record show that it's not just about me 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.760 protecting myself. I could have COVID and I could give 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.200 it to you and you take it, because after you 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.119 leave me, you're going to visit your mama, your grandmama, 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.520 your kids, your this one and that one, and you 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.920 could pick something up for me. So the six feet 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.000 is not because to me is just being a German 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.920 fold and fold and being rude. It's really serious, like 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:15.960 this is a time when we really should be paying 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:20.079 more attention to like ourselves. And I'm not fit to 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.480 be talking to folks that want to speak to me 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:27.640 without their mask on in my face. Very interesting. Okay. Six, 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.240 Before we go to the next segment and have our 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.680 special guests joint, we're gonna take a quick break for 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:39.400 our sponsors. So, as we've been saying today, we're focused 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:44.560 on folks who are unfortunately on death row. I mean, 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:50.640 we've we've talked about in the past how I do 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:57.520 not support the death penalty because we're in a country 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:03.120 where you know, you just you don't know. There's too 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.280 many of our people who have been railroaded by the 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:10.880 system for us to give this American government the ability 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:15.200 to take life. Um, it's just it's it's it's uncomfortable. 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.280 And I was we were saying, I don't know. I 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.600 think we were debating it on the show. When we 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.720 were talking what we weren't debating, but we were discussing, um, 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:25.880 you know, whether or not yet because you told me 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:30.720 that I was right, because exactly because I said that 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.600 it was last week. I think, yeah, no, it was 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.040 last week. It was last week. But you were saying, 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.560 I told you I don't agree, but that if someone 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.920 raped my my daughter, it might be a problem for me. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.080 And you said, well, what if they raped your son? 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.440 And it made me think that, wow, that's true. You 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.120 can't just say your girl and not consider also your son. 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.200 But you know what, I changed my mind about the 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.880 death penalty, and I think that the conclusion is no. 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.880 Still at that point, I am not you know, I 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.480 don't support the death penalties. So UM, we have been 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.000 on our social media platforms and in any way that 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.600 we can't supporting a young man by the name of 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:14.840 Julius Jones UM. And we've learned of this situation because 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.839 one of our Until Freedom Brothers UM, someone who has 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:23.680 been working with us very closely, especially around the Brianna Taylor. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:31.080 Um matter Um is Earv Roland, who yes, he's we 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.800 always have our friends on street politicians another friend um 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.840 and you know Earth came to us and said, you know, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.080 first of all, Earv's a big Tom Negro So if 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.720 people don't know, you know, yeah, he's big time big 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.960 y'all talk about how big time he is later, but 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.520 he's big time big Tom. And so he was getting 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.320 other big time people to get involved with this situation. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.920 And he came to us and and said that Julius 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.400 was on um death row and that he was fighting 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.360 to um, you know, to to get him off right, 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.120 and he's telling us the story, and it really moved us, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.040 and we all said, let's do what we can to 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.320 help advocate for this young man. And now we have 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:14.080 come to the place where it's just in a few weeks, right, 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:18.760 a few weeks that he would actually be executed. So 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.800 I guess we're gonna find out today because I think 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.760 that it's a few weeks that he that they have 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.760 to actually be able to um stay the execution and 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.080 make sure that this man lives. And we want to 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.880 hear more about our Julius story. We could tell it, 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.880 because you know, I love to talk, but I think 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.840 it's better that it comes from his best friend, Jimmy Lawson. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.280 And then also, of course Nerve is with us today, 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.000 who's a friend of Jimmy's, and Julius is. And then C. C. 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:51.000 Jones Davis um this this woman is running the campaign 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.600 to get justice for Julius, but she also is a 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.840 leader in her own right. And I'm excited to have 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.400 all of them here to give us some marching orders 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.720 so we know what to do over the next few weeks. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.120 And it's actually been um some some movement that is 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.280 going in a positive direction, So we're gonna learn all 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.520 about that today. Yes, we are our guests today. How 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:17.160 are you doing, Jimmy, c C or how you're doing today? 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.600 We are well. Thank you all so much for having us. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.640 I appreciate you having us. Thank you all, man, Thank 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.240 you man. You know, we you know, unfortunately under these circumstances, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.280 you know, we have to have you on the show. 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.360 You know, it's it's definitely not the best we will 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.160 that someone has to fight for their life, you know, 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.880 in the in the society where this justice system, in 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:43.600 justice system frequently makes mistakes, you know. So you know 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.120 it's sad that we have to have this conversation, but 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.120 it's definitely needed. We want to utilize our platform to 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.720 do whatever we can to save this man's life. So, Jimmy, 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.360 you know you've been here since the beginning. You know 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.280 this is your best friend. Could you give us like 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.960 played by playoffs from the beginning to you know, some 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.680 what to now, like what's what's how this happened? What's 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.879 going on? And just give us up to speed. Yeah. Sure, man. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.240 First of all, I appreciate your having is I on 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.800 this amazing show man, We greatly appreciate it. Julias Jones 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.119 is a gentleman from Oklahoma City. We were from North Side, 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.320 Okay See and uh me and Julia has been best 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.080 friends since the sixth grade. A little about who he is, so, 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.560 you know, he's from an amazing family with a two 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.040 parent home. What made it special for him and I 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.120 We were one of the only two families that had 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.520 both our moms and dads in the household. That's important 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.439 as I get along with the story, uh, most of 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.280 the persenteds of Oklahoma City grew up with either grandparents 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.280 or single parent homes. The high school we went to 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.280 was not pent African American Souls, was a black school 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.240 on the side of town that was predominantly black. That's key. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.199 That's key, and uh, because I want to tell you 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.000 a little bit about Julius the man and who he 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.239 was as a young man coming through high school. So 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.000 his mental capacity, Julius was one of these special dudes 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:15.800 where he had this unique mental ability. What I mean 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.480 by that he was one of the first of two 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.040 African American mayles to graduate the top ten per cent 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.040 of our class in high school. I was the other one. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.480 So we were we were lucky, uh to be able 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.760 to garners our academic side, and then we were both 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.280 were basketball players as well, So that was a you 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.240 need dynamic, dynamic because I'm building this feature of how 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.760 much character Julius asked his foundation is background, his values, 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.320 his work, ethic right, and kind of where we are now. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.640 So coming out of high school, he is a full 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.840 academic scholarship recipient at the University of Oklahoma. In the 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.040 back in the nineties, you don't know about everybody knows, 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.320 oh you football, right, So back in the nineties, the 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.479 demo graphics of oh you was almost ninety fi per 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.840 seeing white. Only African American people on campus was football 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.119 and basketball players. Julia's Jones was one of the first 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.840 to get an engineering major scholarship, so he was breaking 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.680 the bold right for something that wasn't even being done 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.879 at the time. So it kind of shows you the 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.359 character and the mendical passages this brother had. So it 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.520 goes to ou, I go off to Grandma State University 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.840 play college ball down there were reconnected in and he 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.639 noticed I noticed that he started hanging around a dude 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.680 we went to high school by the name of Christopher Jordan's. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.000 We called the west Side. Now west Side was the 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.320 exact opposite of me and Julius. He comes from a 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:46.960 different background, raised bas groundmall want to be game banger. 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.240 So really, me Julius west Side really didn't have nothing 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:54.720 to come besides basketball. So I better to be kind 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.600 of odd that west Side and Julie started hanging around 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.840 a little bit. Um. I didn't ain't too much of 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.639 it because we were again playing ball in some of 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.359 the rec centers and things like that. So as we 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:11.680 got long into the summer on July twenty, right, I'm 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:15.199 sitting at home watching the news and come across the 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.240 news that this white gentleman by the name of Paul 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.520 Howell gets murdered in mun Oklahoma. I want to build 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.840 a pixel real quick, a little bit about what Edmund, 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.640 Oklahoma looked like, which is the suburb of Oklahoma City. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:31.240 Back then, it was more predominantly white. So the mantra 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.520 in that particular city was a white guy gets killed. Oh, 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.560 it's probably gotta be a black guy who did it, right, 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.840 That was the mantra back then. So Roba bat media 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.359 was going crazy. We're looking for a black suspect, even 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.479 though the fact wasn't even really point to a black person. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.280 It was because not a murder in him, and it's 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.600 got to be a black suspect, right. So so things 0:20:54.640 --> 0:21:00.880 went down and a few days later, Christopher Jordan's get apprehended. 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.480 And then you know how the system is, right, when 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.159 the first one gets to talk, some crazy stuff starts 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.359 to happen. Right, So they get to Christopher Jordan's first, 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.280 you start squilling our district attorney town about Macy right 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.320 off the bat city whoever is guilty for this death 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.240 penalty right off the bat. So I think what happened 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:23.640 was you know, west Side got apprehended. He got scared 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.240 and he said, uh uh, I was driving Julia's shop. 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:30.920 So that's how Julia Jones kind of got tied into 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.600 this particular case, right, No relations out of the scene, 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.080 nothing like that, no evidence. So it was really west 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:42.920 Side that got scared tied into it. And then while 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.919 now we're sitting at trial right and they are suiting 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.560 for the deafilty for Julius west Side corroborating the story. 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.480 We had a couple of informants that also played a 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.679 major role into the case that we didn't even know 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.280 what's part of the ball game until we're sitting at trial. 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.080 So you got a guy by the name of the 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.800 del King and Kermin Lotty. These two in particular individuals 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.080 had some other pending cases on their own that we 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:12.000 didn't know as a family that was playing attributive factor 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.040 about them being an informant. So all these side deals 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.679 was going on behind the curtains and we didn't even know. 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.080 We didn't even know. So one major point that changed 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.399 the diamondo of the case before we were the trials 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:26.720 that our original trial attorney passed away. You had a 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:30.439 heart attack, so a couple of months before trial, he's gone. 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.000 We spent some money, so our last resource was to 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.919 get a public defender. Right, so we go to trial. 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:41.320 These two particular public defenders. Guess what, it's their first 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.640 ever death road case, no experience. One was straight out 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:48.120