Speaker 1: That's what's good family. I'm to mek A D. Mallardy
Speaker 1: and it's your boy my son in general and where
Speaker 1: your host, the street politicians, the place where the streets
Speaker 1: and politics meet. We have a really, really powerful show today.
Speaker 1: So we're not going to talk too much in our
Speaker 1: intro where we just kind of kicked the kicked the
Speaker 1: Willie Bobo going, you've been good, but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, man, You know I'm putting up with it.
Speaker 1: Sucker du no, y'all's new thing that I love. I
Speaker 1: called Torik my son for those listening who don't know
Speaker 1: who Trek is, but you should because I talked about
Speaker 1: more time and I'm like, hey, man, what's what's up
Speaker 1: what you do? And I haven't heard from you know,
Speaker 1: he lives on his own, he's in a different state.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what you're doing. I haven't heard from you.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm just staying out the way. Mother, that's it.
Speaker 1: I say, I'm sucker ducking man. He's putting up with it.
Speaker 1: And so staying out the way means trying not to
Speaker 1: be the center of anyone. You don't want to drama,
Speaker 1: you don't want to hate, you don't want. You just
Speaker 1: want to stay in your own lane people. But people
Speaker 1: say they're staying out the way and there and they
Speaker 1: are the way of the problem. I just want that
Speaker 1: to be acknowledged, like you're staying out the way, and
Speaker 1: yet you are the one. You're the one that's always
Speaker 1: getting on my nerves, like you know, like he had.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not supposed to talk too much, but
Speaker 1: I'd say, he's a dog, and I don't really like dogs.
Speaker 1: That's not my thing. First of all, I'm terrified of dogs.
Speaker 1: I think I'm getting better. It's kind of like I'm
Speaker 1: getting over it because no one else seems to care,
Speaker 1: especially the people who have dogs that I tell them
Speaker 1: I'm afraid and they go, yeah, she's just gonna just
Speaker 1: touch you a little bit, and it's going. But I
Speaker 1: don't want it on me at all, not in the space,
Speaker 1: don't sniff nothing. So I that's not my thing. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not a dog person. But you've got this
Speaker 1: dog and the dog it's kind of cute. So I
Speaker 1: checked the dog out. I look at the dog. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: the dog's hair needs to be like something's done around
Speaker 1: the eyes or something, because it feels like dogs hairs
Speaker 1: and eyes. He's like, yeah, I got it. I'm taking
Speaker 1: care of it. So the next day I called back,
Speaker 1: I'm like, let me see the dog straight. He's like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking. I'm like, did you get the
Speaker 1: dog's eyes? Taking care of Then? To that, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready calling people whoever it is that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to call to report folks that are not doing
Speaker 1: the right thing with their dog. I'm calling those people
Speaker 1: because and he's like, somebody that doesn't like dogs has
Speaker 1: the audacity to be up in my business with me
Speaker 1: and my dog. But that's because I mind his business
Speaker 1: about everything. So now i'm the doggy grandmother monua business. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try, but I'm a doggy grandmother. That is
Speaker 1: kind of cute. So now you didn't like the dog,
Speaker 1: I think I should take the dog. Actually, how just
Speaker 1: it was from you don't like dogs to you advocating
Speaker 1: for the dog to do grandmother, and now you should
Speaker 1: take the dog. Yeah, because he doesn't really know how
Speaker 1: to take care of a dog, because you do well,
Speaker 1: you know, I know how to take care of a child. See,
Speaker 1: so the dog that you don't really like, you know,
Speaker 1: how to take care of because you child. Our friend Jamilla,
Speaker 1: she did the same thing to her son. Um, she
Speaker 1: took his dog too, you know, she took Kai's dog.
Speaker 1: So now the dog that she has that was Kai's dog.
Speaker 1: She went to Kai's house, found the dog, loved the dog,
Speaker 1: the dog, she brought the dog home, and the poor
Speaker 1: man lost his dog. So this is the thing. Mother's
Speaker 1: taking the kid's dog. So anyway, the show today though,
Speaker 1: is you know, a really really important one. We've been
Speaker 1: advocating for this young man, Julius Jones, who was on
Speaker 1: death row in Oklahoma. Our friend or rolland Um, you know,
Speaker 1: has asked us to support and we've been doing that.
Speaker 1: And today we're gonna get brought up to speed on
Speaker 1: the end tire situation by his friends and other advocates
Speaker 1: and just people who have been working on it. So
Speaker 1: we want to give them as much time as possible.
Speaker 1: We're really dedicating a long uh segment in the show
Speaker 1: today to Julius Jones and the fight for justice for him. Um,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna get to that quickly. My little thought
Speaker 1: of the day is also kind of like funny, but
Speaker 1: it's not funny. It's actually not funny, it's actually deadly.
Speaker 1: Why is it that people do not understand in a
Speaker 1: COVID world, a pandemic world, to stop talking in your
Speaker 1: face when they're taking pictures. You know, you take your
Speaker 1: mask off and you stand next to a person you're
Speaker 1: trying to take the picture, but because you want your face,
Speaker 1: but you really know you got to harry it, put
Speaker 1: your mask back on and instead of them saying, you know, well,
Speaker 1: instead of them just taking the picture, they like, I
Speaker 1: just love you so much, and you just what you're
Speaker 1: right here? Back up what you got fans, listen, a
Speaker 1: lot of people. You are inspiration to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Some people they lose theirselves because I've watched people come
Speaker 1: with you and like, oh my god, you're to go
Speaker 1: and they don't not even cognizance, conscious of what they're
Speaker 1: going on. And in that moment, and you know me,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to everybody. I'm gonna stop, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk. I'm willing to take pictures and I don't
Speaker 1: even like being on camera at all, but I will
Speaker 1: take a thousand pictures. I don't mind. I want to
Speaker 1: talk to people. I want to feel the people. What
Speaker 1: I am saying is that it is a time of cold,
Speaker 1: paying them make six feet distance. So if you and
Speaker 1: I are standing here taking a picture together, talk to
Speaker 1: the front, let the air go this way. Do not
Speaker 1: turn your reath towards my face to tell me about
Speaker 1: my grandmother. You know you have. I'm of course it was,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying there's a reason for us to
Speaker 1: now bring it up, because if I had said it
Speaker 1: before COVID, they would say she's just weird and rude.
Speaker 1: But I really want to know. Then here's my second thing,
Speaker 1: what is wrong with ya? Because it's all none of
Speaker 1: all the same thing. It's all the thought is the
Speaker 1: thought of the thought of the day is what would
Speaker 1: we please observe the six feet distance rules? And I
Speaker 1: think people don't know what that entails. I think they
Speaker 1: only understand six ft like you standing on the line
Speaker 1: and you gotta be six ft apart. They don't understand
Speaker 1: that six feet mindset means don't breathe in my face. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't breathe over my food when we're sitting somewhere and
Speaker 1: we all haven't dinner, just because we don't we we
Speaker 1: can't wear masks. Don't talk over my food. But you know,
Speaker 1: what I don't understand about men, especially in this COVID crisis.
Speaker 1: Why do y'all still shake hands with people that you
Speaker 1: just meeting on the street. People talk, yo, mice, it's
Speaker 1: good to see you. They've seen you on the street,
Speaker 1: and they're touching your hands and then and you and
Speaker 1: you have those and you actually touched them back. It
Speaker 1: is the craziest thing I've ever This is six ft
Speaker 1: six ft that means do it. And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: This should be a rule thing because I think people
Speaker 1: don't understand that six ft includes don't touch me, don't
Speaker 1: touch me. We're good this COVID, Like, I'm serious, You
Speaker 1: touch people's hands all the time. And I didn't, like
Speaker 1: you said, even before COVID, because I watched the man
Speaker 1: I told you, I watched the man scratching all over
Speaker 1: doing all kinds of nasty stuff, and then he came
Speaker 1: right up to you and shook your hand, and you
Speaker 1: was doing it up, and I switt as soon as
Speaker 1: you turned around, I had that sanitized and skirting it
Speaker 1: all over, like cleaning you down, and you didn't even know.
Speaker 1: So I just want to know why y'all don't see
Speaker 1: this well I think what it is is it's forced
Speaker 1: to have it. You know, when somebody has been doing
Speaker 1: something for forty plus years, right, it's hard to just
Speaker 1: change that in a year and change you know. It's
Speaker 1: hard for people two whatever you say, it's hard for
Speaker 1: people to just say, you know what, I'm no longer
Speaker 1: going to just that people because it's a sign of
Speaker 1: you know, karatie, a sign of love, respect, People personalize.
Speaker 1: So I think most of us are still fighting, you know,
Speaker 1: to keep that connection, to keep con It's not really
Speaker 1: a connection when you when you do that to somebody
Speaker 1: in my world, it really means I don't really funk
Speaker 1: with you, you know what I'm saying. Normally when you do,
Speaker 1: like if you go like this to somebody and you
Speaker 1: go like that, it's like you just stay away, you
Speaker 1: cool because six ft I'm just trying to tell you,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the normal. Would it meant if somebody
Speaker 1: walk up to you to give you a help and
Speaker 1: you go like this, But we didn't normally do that
Speaker 1: I'm saying now. But I'm just trying to tell you
Speaker 1: that's not a term of endearment. It's not like I
Speaker 1: really I'm good always something Let me, I'm happy to see.
Speaker 1: It's not it doesn't mean that. No, that means as
Speaker 1: soon as you do that to somebody that's anxious to
Speaker 1: see you, it throws them off guard. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: then why you don't say because see I have to
Speaker 1: say because they look at me like really, that's what
Speaker 1: we're doing. That's what we're doing cold day six feet
Speaker 1: and they and they take it, but it's still it
Speaker 1: drows him back and they're like, damn, I dreamt about
Speaker 1: this one time I might be able to hug to
Speaker 1: me him and there's no hug. But I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: you think you think you don't have fans. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to shake your hand with its dudes
Speaker 1: that come to me and like, yo, I love you
Speaker 1: like you want of my favorite I just want to
Speaker 1: always say, you just want to shake that brother's hand.
Speaker 1: And the time they get to shake their hand of
Speaker 1: like not cold. Yeah, I'm just gonna go and because
Speaker 1: you know why, and you know what I tell you,
Speaker 1: give me a little bit whatever it is from my things.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a little handshake and wash my hands.
Speaker 1: Part of the thought of the day is also that
Speaker 1: sanitizer needs to go on the back side of the hand,
Speaker 1: all through the fingers, not just this right here, and
Speaker 1: and every single day when you get but it's so serious.
Speaker 1: It's not the It serious is that you are so
Speaker 1: serious every single day when you get home at night
Speaker 1: you think this cell phone is not your g This
Speaker 1: has turned into the German Fold episode. Every aspect that
Speaker 1: you could transfer an episode, y'all, Jarnes, because you're cell phone,
Speaker 1: you touch this, you touch that when the person shakes
Speaker 1: your hand. It's not like right then you cleaning yourself up,
Speaker 1: So then you touch your phone. Didn you do this?
Speaker 1: Didn't you do that? Then you go to your house
Speaker 1: and put the phone down, You go wash your hands.
Speaker 1: If you're listening, my head is in my hand. You
Speaker 1: wash your hands, and then you go back and get
Speaker 1: your phone. Go alright, well, I'm gonna leave it alone.
Speaker 1: But I just want the world to know that we're
Speaker 1: still in the pandemic. First of all, people just nasty anyway,
Speaker 1: But let's just go with the pandemic. And it's six
Speaker 1: feet six and we're looking for a bubble for Tamika
Speaker 1: just could surround us, and no Jo, you think it's funny.
Speaker 1: I just want you to know. Okay, to be clear,
Speaker 1: let the record show that it's not just about me
Speaker 1: protecting myself. I could have COVID and I could give
Speaker 1: it to you and you take it, because after you
Speaker 1: leave me, you're going to visit your mama, your grandmama,
Speaker 1: your kids, your this one and that one, and you
Speaker 1: could pick something up for me. So the six feet
Speaker 1: is not because to me is just being a German
Speaker 1: fold and fold and being rude. It's really serious, like
Speaker 1: this is a time when we really should be paying
Speaker 1: more attention to like ourselves. And I'm not fit to
Speaker 1: be talking to folks that want to speak to me
Speaker 1: without their mask on in my face. Very interesting. Okay. Six,
Speaker 1: Before we go to the next segment and have our
Speaker 1: special guests joint, we're gonna take a quick break for
Speaker 1: our sponsors. So, as we've been saying today, we're focused
Speaker 1: on folks who are unfortunately on death row. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've we've talked about in the past how I do
Speaker 1: not support the death penalty because we're in a country
Speaker 1: where you know, you just you don't know. There's too
Speaker 1: many of our people who have been railroaded by the
Speaker 1: system for us to give this American government the ability
Speaker 1: to take life. Um, it's just it's it's it's uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And I was we were saying, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think we were debating it on the show. When we
Speaker 1: were talking what we weren't debating, but we were discussing, um,
Speaker 1: you know, whether or not yet because you told me
Speaker 1: that I was right, because exactly because I said that
Speaker 1: it was last week. I think, yeah, no, it was
Speaker 1: last week. It was last week. But you were saying,
Speaker 1: I told you I don't agree, but that if someone
Speaker 1: raped my my daughter, it might be a problem for me.
Speaker 1: And you said, well, what if they raped your son?
Speaker 1: And it made me think that, wow, that's true. You
Speaker 1: can't just say your girl and not consider also your son.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I changed my mind about the
Speaker 1: death penalty, and I think that the conclusion is no.
Speaker 1: Still at that point, I am not you know, I
Speaker 1: don't support the death penalties. So UM, we have been
Speaker 1: on our social media platforms and in any way that
Speaker 1: we can't supporting a young man by the name of
Speaker 1: Julius Jones UM. And we've learned of this situation because
Speaker 1: one of our Until Freedom Brothers UM, someone who has
Speaker 1: been working with us very closely, especially around the Brianna Taylor.
Speaker 1: Um matter Um is Earv Roland, who yes, he's we
Speaker 1: always have our friends on street politicians another friend um
Speaker 1: and you know Earth came to us and said, you know,
Speaker 1: first of all, Earv's a big Tom Negro So if
Speaker 1: people don't know, you know, yeah, he's big time big
Speaker 1: y'all talk about how big time he is later, but
Speaker 1: he's big time big Tom. And so he was getting
Speaker 1: other big time people to get involved with this situation.
Speaker 1: And he came to us and and said that Julius
Speaker 1: was on um death row and that he was fighting
Speaker 1: to um, you know, to to get him off right,
Speaker 1: and he's telling us the story, and it really moved us,
Speaker 1: and we all said, let's do what we can to
Speaker 1: help advocate for this young man. And now we have
Speaker 1: come to the place where it's just in a few weeks, right,
Speaker 1: a few weeks that he would actually be executed. So
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna find out today because I think
Speaker 1: that it's a few weeks that he that they have
Speaker 1: to actually be able to um stay the execution and
Speaker 1: make sure that this man lives. And we want to
Speaker 1: hear more about our Julius story. We could tell it,
Speaker 1: because you know, I love to talk, but I think
Speaker 1: it's better that it comes from his best friend, Jimmy Lawson.
Speaker 1: And then also, of course Nerve is with us today,
Speaker 1: who's a friend of Jimmy's, and Julius is. And then C. C.
Speaker 1: Jones Davis um this this woman is running the campaign
Speaker 1: to get justice for Julius, but she also is a
Speaker 1: leader in her own right. And I'm excited to have
Speaker 1: all of them here to give us some marching orders
Speaker 1: so we know what to do over the next few weeks.
Speaker 1: And it's actually been um some some movement that is
Speaker 1: going in a positive direction, So we're gonna learn all
Speaker 1: about that today. Yes, we are our guests today. How
Speaker 1: are you doing, Jimmy, c C or how you're doing today?
Speaker 1: We are well. Thank you all so much for having us.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you having us. Thank you all, man, Thank
Speaker 1: you man. You know, we you know, unfortunately under these circumstances,
Speaker 1: you know, we have to have you on the show.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's definitely not the best we will
Speaker 1: that someone has to fight for their life, you know,
Speaker 1: in the in the society where this justice system, in
Speaker 1: justice system frequently makes mistakes, you know. So you know
Speaker 1: it's sad that we have to have this conversation, but
Speaker 1: it's definitely needed. We want to utilize our platform to
Speaker 1: do whatever we can to save this man's life. So, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: you know you've been here since the beginning. You know
Speaker 1: this is your best friend. Could you give us like
Speaker 1: played by playoffs from the beginning to you know, some
Speaker 1: what to now, like what's what's how this happened? What's
Speaker 1: going on? And just give us up to speed. Yeah. Sure, man.
Speaker 1: First of all, I appreciate your having is I on
Speaker 1: this amazing show man, We greatly appreciate it. Julias Jones
Speaker 1: is a gentleman from Oklahoma City. We were from North Side,
Speaker 1: Okay See and uh me and Julia has been best
Speaker 1: friends since the sixth grade. A little about who he is, so,
Speaker 1: you know, he's from an amazing family with a two
Speaker 1: parent home. What made it special for him and I
Speaker 1: We were one of the only two families that had
Speaker 1: both our moms and dads in the household. That's important
Speaker 1: as I get along with the story, uh, most of
Speaker 1: the persenteds of Oklahoma City grew up with either grandparents
Speaker 1: or single parent homes. The high school we went to
Speaker 1: was not pent African American Souls, was a black school
Speaker 1: on the side of town that was predominantly black. That's key.
Speaker 1: That's key, and uh, because I want to tell you
Speaker 1: a little bit about Julius the man and who he
Speaker 1: was as a young man coming through high school. So
Speaker 1: his mental capacity, Julius was one of these special dudes
Speaker 1: where he had this unique mental ability. What I mean
Speaker 1: by that he was one of the first of two
Speaker 1: African American mayles to graduate the top ten per cent
Speaker 1: of our class in high school. I was the other one.
Speaker 1: So we were we were lucky, uh to be able
Speaker 1: to garners our academic side, and then we were both
Speaker 1: were basketball players as well, So that was a you
Speaker 1: need dynamic, dynamic because I'm building this feature of how
Speaker 1: much character Julius asked his foundation is background, his values,
Speaker 1: his work, ethic right, and kind of where we are now.
Speaker 1: So coming out of high school, he is a full
Speaker 1: academic scholarship recipient at the University of Oklahoma. In the
Speaker 1: back in the nineties, you don't know about everybody knows,
Speaker 1: oh you football, right, So back in the nineties, the
Speaker 1: demo graphics of oh you was almost ninety fi per
Speaker 1: seeing white. Only African American people on campus was football
Speaker 1: and basketball players. Julia's Jones was one of the first
Speaker 1: to get an engineering major scholarship, so he was breaking
Speaker 1: the bold right for something that wasn't even being done
Speaker 1: at the time. So it kind of shows you the
Speaker 1: character and the mendical passages this brother had. So it
Speaker 1: goes to ou, I go off to Grandma State University
Speaker 1: play college ball down there were reconnected in and he
Speaker 1: noticed I noticed that he started hanging around a dude
Speaker 1: we went to high school by the name of Christopher Jordan's.
Speaker 1: We called the west Side. Now west Side was the
Speaker 1: exact opposite of me and Julius. He comes from a
Speaker 1: different background, raised bas groundmall want to be game banger.
Speaker 1: So really, me Julius west Side really didn't have nothing
Speaker 1: to come besides basketball. So I better to be kind
Speaker 1: of odd that west Side and Julie started hanging around
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. I didn't ain't too much of
Speaker 1: it because we were again playing ball in some of
Speaker 1: the rec centers and things like that. So as we
Speaker 1: got long into the summer on July twenty, right, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting at home watching the news and come across the
Speaker 1: news that this white gentleman by the name of Paul
Speaker 1: Howell gets murdered in mun Oklahoma. I want to build
Speaker 1: a pixel real quick, a little bit about what Edmund,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma looked like, which is the suburb of Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1: Back then, it was more predominantly white. So the mantra
Speaker 1: in that particular city was a white guy gets killed. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's probably gotta be a black guy who did it, right,
Speaker 1: That was the mantra back then. So Roba bat media
Speaker 1: was going crazy. We're looking for a black suspect, even
Speaker 1: though the fact wasn't even really point to a black person.
Speaker 1: It was because not a murder in him, and it's
Speaker 1: got to be a black suspect, right. So so things
Speaker 1: went down and a few days later, Christopher Jordan's get apprehended.
Speaker 1: And then you know how the system is, right, when
Speaker 1: the first one gets to talk, some crazy stuff starts
Speaker 1: to happen. Right, So they get to Christopher Jordan's first,
Speaker 1: you start squilling our district attorney town about Macy right
Speaker 1: off the bat city whoever is guilty for this death
Speaker 1: penalty right off the bat. So I think what happened
Speaker 1: was you know, west Side got apprehended. He got scared
Speaker 1: and he said, uh uh, I was driving Julia's shop.
Speaker 1: So that's how Julia Jones kind of got tied into
Speaker 1: this particular case, right, No relations out of the scene,
Speaker 1: nothing like that, no evidence. So it was really west
Speaker 1: Side that got scared tied into it. And then while
Speaker 1: now we're sitting at trial right and they are suiting
Speaker 1: for the deafilty for Julius west Side corroborating the story.
Speaker 1: We had a couple of informants that also played a
Speaker 1: major role into the case that we didn't even know
Speaker 1: what's part of the ball game until we're sitting at trial.
Speaker 1: So you got a guy by the name of the
Speaker 1: del King and Kermin Lotty. These two in particular individuals
Speaker 1: had some other pending cases on their own that we
Speaker 1: didn't know as a family that was playing attributive factor
Speaker 1: about them being an informant. So all these side deals
Speaker 1: was going on behind the curtains and we didn't even know.
Speaker 1: We didn't even know. So one major point that changed
Speaker 1: the diamondo of the case before we were the trials
Speaker 1: that our original trial attorney passed away. You had a
Speaker 1: heart attack, so a couple of months before trial, he's gone.
Speaker 1: We spent some money, so our last resource was to
Speaker 1: get a public defender. Right, so we go to trial.
Speaker 1: These two particular public defenders. Guess what, it's their first
Speaker 1: ever death road case, no experience. One was straight out
Speaker 1: of law school. Right. So now we've got the highest
Speaker 1: profile case in Oklahoma County and probably twenty years and
Speaker 1: we have rookies as our as our defense. Uh. That
Speaker 1: was that was strange and unique right in devibeing the courtroom.
Speaker 1: Was you got an all white jury at the time, right,
Speaker 1: white rights prosecuted. Everybody looked different than us. Uh, that
Speaker 1: was my first time being exposed to the system. You
Speaker 1: read about it, you saw it on TV, but when
Speaker 1: you're sitting in it, you're like, hey, this is uh,
Speaker 1: this is not like TV, right, this is this is
Speaker 1: totally different. This is like really at the moment where
Speaker 1: they're gonna decide that they're gonna try to put my
Speaker 1: bester into death and he wasn't even tied to the case.
Speaker 1: So they wasn't even tied to the case. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: all the all the build up for how they were
Speaker 1: trying to tie Julius into it was miraculous within itself.
Speaker 1: We were very confused of how we even got to
Speaker 1: that point because their preparation was really all about west Side, right,
Speaker 1: trying to corroborate Julius. So we were like, uh so
Speaker 1: west Side of all these details and stuff, don't you
Speaker 1: think west Side really has something to do with it?
Speaker 1: Right and now Julius, So that was kind of strange.
Speaker 1: So the proceedings starting court, our public defender on our
Speaker 1: time when we had to make our defense, doesn't impossible, mindful.
Speaker 1: Bob Mason, the county district attorney, spent two or three
Speaker 1: days providing why Julius was guilty. So now we finally
Speaker 1: had I chanced to make our presentation. Guess what this
Speaker 1: guy does. He stands up and says, uh, we rest
Speaker 1: our case. We're like, we're like, wait a minute, no,
Speaker 1: no evidence. You didn't call it judas to the standing.
Speaker 1: They called me the family. You didn't even provide pictures
Speaker 1: about what the shooter looked like by Paul House sister,
Speaker 1: you didn't even you didn't even do that. So we
Speaker 1: were like, you know, how you take a little air balloon,
Speaker 1: you let the area that's what it felt like in
Speaker 1: the court, Like we were watching live and direct right,
Speaker 1: this system in our defense, put on no defense, and
Speaker 1: then there are about to make a decision to try
Speaker 1: to put my best friend to death. So, of course
Speaker 1: what happens we get to the to the day of
Speaker 1: the of the reading of the of the verdict, they
Speaker 1: con victim, they come out with the announcement that they're
Speaker 1: gonna shoot for the death penalty. On death penalty, you know,
Speaker 1: being n twenty one at the time. Um, that was
Speaker 1: a feeling, right, I felt like I had to I
Speaker 1: had to throw up. My head was hurting, right, It's
Speaker 1: like I was dreaming, man, I was watching my best
Speaker 1: friend who had such an amazing promising future right now,
Speaker 1: getting yeah, it walked off the death row. It's like
Speaker 1: one of those bad horror movies that you don't want
Speaker 1: to be a part of. How has he been on
Speaker 1: death row? Twenty two years? Now? Twenty two years? That's right,
Speaker 1: twenty two years and and wow, twenty two years, so
Speaker 1: how old is he? Years old? I just, you know,
Speaker 1: just listening to that story being convicted, falsely convicted. I've
Speaker 1: just listened and share so many of those similar stories.
Speaker 1: You know. I had an attorney that just listening to
Speaker 1: his defense for me when there was nothing to time
Speaker 1: me to eat anything, just listening to his lack of
Speaker 1: defense for me, and it just really was weird. You know.
Speaker 1: I was shocked, Like I was sitting like this is
Speaker 1: it Like they don't have anything, there's nothing, there's nothing
Speaker 1: that ties me anything. It's my word against somebody else's worth.
Speaker 1: There's nothing. I don't have, no prior history, nothing, And
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here watching these people pretty much orchestrate something
Speaker 1: to to railroad me, you know, and I'm listening to
Speaker 1: you and this, this promising young brol I had a
Speaker 1: promising career, this promising and brother engineering and um athletic ability,
Speaker 1: all of these things promising life is really pretty much
Speaker 1: railroad because somebody had to be found guilty of this
Speaker 1: problem that happened to this right person. It's just like
Speaker 1: it's sad man. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So so you know, maybe well let let me leave
Speaker 1: you ear for a moment before we go to the
Speaker 1: next segment and have our special guests joint. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a quick break for our sponsors. So let me
Speaker 1: just ask you Cec, after all these years, like when
Speaker 1: do you get involved, and how does this situation become
Speaker 1: nationally known where people are fighting for Julius all over
Speaker 1: the country. Yes, so I moved to Oklahoma. I'm from Virginia.
Speaker 1: I moved to Oklahoma, UM in two thousand sixteen. Um
Speaker 1: my husband got a job there. I had been working
Speaker 1: with the Obama administration for seven years. So my my goal,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a minnester of ours worked up the
Speaker 1: intersections of social justice and faith right. My goal when
Speaker 1: I went to Oklahoma was to take sit down somewhere
Speaker 1: and take care of my my little ones. UM. But
Speaker 1: I learned about Julius Jones a couple of years after
Speaker 1: I moved there, and I learned about him through The
Speaker 1: Last Offense, which Voula Davis and her husband Julius Tennant
Speaker 1: produced for ABC. And I was, I mean, I was
Speaker 1: torn up about what I saw. I saw Jimmy on
Speaker 1: that documentary talking about his friend. I saw the Jones family,
Speaker 1: and I was just you know, I was just crushed,
Speaker 1: and I just I was not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: be in Oklahoma, pay taxes, grocery shop. I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: be able to make it in Oklahoma. Knowing that that
Speaker 1: this black man is on death row and we're gonna
Speaker 1: kill him, you know, And so UM, I watched the documentary.
Speaker 1: The next day, I called, I googled his attorneys. UM
Speaker 1: got in touch with them. Eventually was able to connect
Speaker 1: with the family and from there really just started to
Speaker 1: community organize. You know. I didn't have a background in
Speaker 1: criminal justice reform or or Oklahoma's laws or nothing like that,
Speaker 1: but um, I did have a background and just learning
Speaker 1: how to speak up for the poor and the defenseless.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to do whatever I could do, use
Speaker 1: whatever ski skill sets I had. So I just had
Speaker 1: a lot to learn along the way, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But we make the way by walking all
Speaker 1: the time. So that's what we had to do in Oklahoma. Um.
Speaker 1: And the first couple of years, you know, between the
Speaker 1: family and Jimmy and me and you know, just those
Speaker 1: who were concerned, we would just had this like this
Speaker 1: grit that you know, in this determination that we were
Speaker 1: just not gonna let it go. And there were so
Speaker 1: many people who wouldn't take our meetings, wouldn't return our
Speaker 1: phone calls. UM. I can't even tell you, UM, but
Speaker 1: you know, so when you are what were you all
Speaker 1: trying to get done. When you say you want a
Speaker 1: new trial, like, what were you going to the beginning?
Speaker 1: We were asked, I was asking for a new trial.
Speaker 1: I contacted the district attorney several times and I said, listen,
Speaker 1: this was not even your case. This is this is
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. This was not even your case. Look
Speaker 1: at what has come out right since since this prosecution,
Speaker 1: Um can this man needs a retrial, and saying your
Speaker 1: power to do that. He would not return my calls,
Speaker 1: he would not return my emails, and eventually he sent
Speaker 1: word through my pastor to tell CC Jones Davis to
Speaker 1: shut up. I don't want to hear anything from her.
Speaker 1: The only thing that she and other phaith leaders can
Speaker 1: do is to pray for Julius a soul because he's
Speaker 1: gonna fry, right, and this is turning Invoklahoma accounting, so
Speaker 1: um you know. So we knew that that wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: be an option, right. We knew that this man was
Speaker 1: not going to even be opened to Julius in any
Speaker 1: kind of way, And so the goal was really to
Speaker 1: do what we could to use the last defense as
Speaker 1: a tool, right, and to let everybody see it. Everybody
Speaker 1: know it, and so we we were on every podcast
Speaker 1: we could get on, even if it's only two folks
Speaker 1: listening to us. You know, we were on every radio
Speaker 1: station we work, We were holding community meetings. Um. And
Speaker 1: really what what kind of took us over the edge?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Let me say this, if it had
Speaker 1: not been for God, we wouldn't never have made it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to really really say that, because, um, it's
Speaker 1: nothing but the truth. Um. But in January, right before
Speaker 1: the pandemic, Just Mercy had come out, the movie and
Speaker 1: I did um some private screenings of Just Mercy because
Speaker 1: there were so many similarities, right, and Julius's case and
Speaker 1: Mr McMillan's case. And after that I was able to
Speaker 1: connect with Scott Button and who is the producer of
Speaker 1: the movie Just Mercy you think about, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I was able to let him know about all of this.
Speaker 1: So he connected me with represent Justice, which is his
Speaker 1: like he says on the board for this new on
Speaker 1: profit out of California that focuses on criminal justice reform nationally. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's a product of the movie Just Mercy. And
Speaker 1: from that point things really took off. But let me
Speaker 1: even go back one of the other things that we
Speaker 1: did was to form a coalition of people because I
Speaker 1: knew that it wasn't gonna be one, two or three people.
Speaker 1: We were gonna have to have a massive amount of
Speaker 1: folks you know, on social media, writing letters, etcetera. So
Speaker 1: we formed the Julish Jones Coalition, and those people, particularly
Speaker 1: a woman named Terry McCarthy. She wrote Kim Kardashian dirty letters.
Speaker 1: I don't know how she found an address. She wrote
Speaker 1: her dirty letters telling her about Julius Jones. Connect then
Speaker 1: with Scott Buttnick and from there Represent Justice says, we
Speaker 1: will take this on as a campaign. Literally, Represent Justice
Speaker 1: gave us wings. We were running as fast as we
Speaker 1: could run. We were moving us, we were doing everything
Speaker 1: we knew how to do. We were moving as fast
Speaker 1: as we can move. But once they came along and
Speaker 1: gave us and infrastructure, we were legit. We were out
Speaker 1: in greats, in a in a massive serious way. And
Speaker 1: so for the last year, you know, that is how
Speaker 1: that kind of support is how we have gotten you know,
Speaker 1: over six million signatures gonna change that or Phetician, you know,
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty thousand letters to the Partner Parole Board,
Speaker 1: and the governor so far, um, you know, just a
Speaker 1: massive just a massive effort. But it has taken I'm
Speaker 1: gonna end then I'm gonna shut up. But it has
Speaker 1: taken everybody at every level, every level. It's taken what
Speaker 1: we would consider the small voices, then the medium sized voices,
Speaker 1: then the big voices with the big platforms. It has
Speaker 1: taken every single group of people from every single place
Speaker 1: to be old what I call a human chain to
Speaker 1: pull Julius Jones out of Oklahoma's criminal justice system. But
Speaker 1: that's what it takes, man, It takes you know, everybody
Speaker 1: doing whatever they can, you know, to speak up and
Speaker 1: stand in and get for just this. You know, since
Speaker 1: this case has happened, you know, it's happened over twenty
Speaker 1: two years ago. Has there been new developments or any
Speaker 1: new information? You know? I know that you guys are
Speaker 1: trying to get a new trial for Julius. Wouldn't. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what is egregious? What is it?
Speaker 1: This is that four people have come forward to say
Speaker 1: that that the co defendant, Christopher Jordan's has has brag
Speaker 1: confessed admitted over the years to being the killer to
Speaker 1: four different people who have no incentive to come forward,
Speaker 1: who don't know Julius Jones, who don't you know, who
Speaker 1: don't know each other. And the state of Oklahoma said,
Speaker 1: we don't believe you because you have a passing incarcer
Speaker 1: you know, you're you used to be incarcerated, because you
Speaker 1: don't have money, because you're brown or black, we don't you, right,
Speaker 1: And and you know, it has been it has taken
Speaker 1: a massive effort and it continues to just humanize Julish Jones.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's important. That is why it's important
Speaker 1: when Jimmy talks about his background, who he was, how
Speaker 1: he grew up, how smart he is, because you know,
Speaker 1: these folks don't believe that black and brown people are
Speaker 1: anything other than criminals. So and so when those four
Speaker 1: folks came forward to say, yeah, this man has bragged
Speaker 1: for years, that was the merits of that have never
Speaker 1: been considered in Oklahoma. When a juror came forward over
Speaker 1: the years and said, hey, there was another white juror
Speaker 1: and this was a white these were two white jurors.
Speaker 1: There was another white juror who called this man an
Speaker 1: inn word. What during during the trial said, let's this
Speaker 1: is a waste of our time. Let's just take this
Speaker 1: in word to the back of the court and shoot
Speaker 1: him and get it over with. You know. So it's
Speaker 1: been a mass It's it's real life. It's real life racism. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, structural racism. The systems are guilty. It's just
Speaker 1: very It's and and and you and you or I
Speaker 1: could get caught up in it just like that, just
Speaker 1: like that, for reasons that are even less than the
Speaker 1: reason Julius is in this situation. You can find yourself
Speaker 1: in a system. So I think it's a fight for
Speaker 1: all people to come together. You talked about the big
Speaker 1: names of people who started to come and you know,
Speaker 1: people start getting involved, and you know, and and and
Speaker 1: speaking up on Julius's behalf and one of those people,
Speaker 1: um is our brother Irv and erv. I know you
Speaker 1: also keep in touch with Julius and you talk with him. Um,
Speaker 1: And I'm just you know, what what does a man
Speaker 1: say that's on death row to you? And what are
Speaker 1: you what are your conversations with him as well? Man?
Speaker 1: It's it's it's so crazy. Um. You know, I'll be
Speaker 1: as brief as I can, but like as I go
Speaker 1: through my day to day life and I'm complaining about nonsense,
Speaker 1: the weather, uh, my car being whatever. And Julius calls me,
Speaker 1: obviously knowing his situation, and he's so full of life
Speaker 1: and energetic and upbeating positive. I gotta slap myself in
Speaker 1: the face. Like he's asking me, you know, about shoes
Speaker 1: coming out, he's asking me about the games, Um, you
Speaker 1: know who's playing? Who who you think is gonna win?
Speaker 1: And he's so positive and full of life and so
Speaker 1: energetic and um, you know, it's it's really inspiring to
Speaker 1: be honest. Does he believe that he's going to be free? Man?
Speaker 1: He calls me even before uh you know, yesterday and
Speaker 1: the hearing and stuff. When he calls and we talked
Speaker 1: his first one of the first things he always mentions
Speaker 1: is how he we need to hurry up and get
Speaker 1: his situation over with so he could we can start
Speaker 1: helping other people. He wants to immediately get out and
Speaker 1: start helping you. That's his thing, Like I need to
Speaker 1: get out. I gotta help these young people. I gotta
Speaker 1: help inspiring this new generation and make sure they don't
Speaker 1: go down the wrong path. And you know, uh, Jimmy
Speaker 1: and I have always been you know, pretty close Um,
Speaker 1: you know, we played on the same AU team growing up,
Speaker 1: and so I knew Julius when I was really small,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, growing up, Julius played football and basketball.
Speaker 1: He might tell you he was better than one and
Speaker 1: the other. But me and Jimmy we played on the
Speaker 1: same HEYU team. They're they're both a year older than me,
Speaker 1: and so we've always been in contact. But I had
Speaker 1: heard about, you know, the situation. I was in high
Speaker 1: school and it happened, and I had kind of lost
Speaker 1: touch with everything, you know what I mean, And so
Speaker 1: when the Last Defense came out, that's when I got
Speaker 1: reconnected and re energizing everything. And then c c uh.
Speaker 1: You know, her husband works in the NBA like I do,
Speaker 1: so you know, we were connecting. Me and Jimmy started
Speaker 1: talking and I'm like, yo, I gotta do everything I
Speaker 1: can because obviously we're on the front lines for so
Speaker 1: many people that we don't know. And so I've known
Speaker 1: Julius for so long, so I had to get out
Speaker 1: there and do my part. Wow. So you know that's amazing, man.
Speaker 1: It's just a testament of the person you are. Man
Speaker 1: since we met you. You know, your heart, your mind,
Speaker 1: your will, for justice, you know, just always pushing being
Speaker 1: inside the NBA, you always were pushing athletes to stand
Speaker 1: on the right side of justice, to speak up, utilize
Speaker 1: their voices. So that's a testament to who you are.
Speaker 1: So you spoke briefly about the decision that was given. Um,
Speaker 1: could you give us, you know, update or understanding of
Speaker 1: exactly what it is because some people don't understand what
Speaker 1: does it mean, what do we need? What's the next steps?
Speaker 1: And you know, just give us an update of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll go back and forth with Jimmy with this. UM.
Speaker 1: So basically, UM, I was able to fly home be
Speaker 1: with the people, and we sat and listened to the
Speaker 1: hearing between the Partner Parole Board, and you know, it
Speaker 1: was tough. It was heavy because you had to listen
Speaker 1: to the how family recount their memory of the events
Speaker 1: of that day. And you know, his daughters, they were
Speaker 1: in the car and so they're telling us, you know,
Speaker 1: what they saw. I think they were both like five
Speaker 1: and six years old at the time. His sister who
Speaker 1: was in the car as well. They're telling us everything
Speaker 1: that happened on that day, and it was tough to
Speaker 1: listen to. And so then you know, Julius, Society got
Speaker 1: to talk, you know, his lawyers. They did an amazing job.
Speaker 1: And so basically the Partnering Parole Board voted to commute
Speaker 1: his sentence. So they voted three to one to commute
Speaker 1: his sentence. So now it goes to the desk of
Speaker 1: our governor, Governor Stid and now he has to take
Speaker 1: the recommendation of the Partnering Parole Board to go ahead
Speaker 1: and commute his sentence. And I am my saying that, right, Jimmy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you know, in the state of Oklahoma, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: backstrat real quick and tell you kind of how we
Speaker 1: got here and what that means. So October, during the
Speaker 1: nineteen the only recourse we had left for Julius was
Speaker 1: a petition before the Partnering Parole Board, only because the
Speaker 1: state of Oklahoma denied Julius three times. So over fifteen years,
Speaker 1: I was preparing appeals along with some other people. I mean,
Speaker 1: we were like doing pro bono work. Right, I've got
Speaker 1: a law background, so I'm diving in with it. And
Speaker 1: what struck me about the system before I get there
Speaker 1: was the Pillot process is designed to try to provide relief. However,
Speaker 1: you cannot introduce new evidence in a pillot process. So
Speaker 1: here we go, how can I get a new opportunity
Speaker 1: for a new trial if you're not gonna allow me
Speaker 1: to introduce the new evidence. So by protocol, a defendant
Speaker 1: on death row has a it's like one in one
Speaker 1: million chants of getting an approval for an appeal. So
Speaker 1: what happens across America is you've got all these guys
Speaker 1: that are wrongfully convicted. They can't get an appeal because
Speaker 1: the protocols and the state level don't allow you to
Speaker 1: even introduce the new evidence. So we knew that we
Speaker 1: got to not three times. October twenty nineteen, we foul
Speaker 1: for clemency with the Partner Row Board. Oklahoma is one
Speaker 1: of eight states that has a separate entity for partner
Speaker 1: of a row board. Then the final approval with the
Speaker 1: state governor. Texas didn't have. That's different, so some states
Speaker 1: have a one stock shot with the governor's office. Oklahoma
Speaker 1: is split, so the recommendation is provided by the p PB,
Speaker 1: then it goes to the government for final approval. So
Speaker 1: what happened was we said that day they gave us
Speaker 1: a March second or March day for our first states
Speaker 1: for commensation compensations and fantasy word for a we're not
Speaker 1: really admitting if you're guilty or innocent, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: give you credit for your time served and you can
Speaker 1: go home. Oh we'll do that first, and then we'll
Speaker 1: go back and do a pardon to erase the guilty police.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a two step process. Our job.
Speaker 1: My job was like, we gotta get you out of jail,
Speaker 1: so let's go. We're going to the compensation process. So
Speaker 1: we passed the first stage in March, which in Oklahoma
Speaker 1: no death Row Amaan has never passed the first stage
Speaker 1: in the history of Oklahoma. So right then and there
Speaker 1: we knew we was on a brink of history. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So they sent a second dairy hearing. So the way
Speaker 1: the process works, you get first, you passed the second hearing,
Speaker 1: they vote for either yes or no for your release.
Speaker 1: That first meeting was in March. The second meeting was
Speaker 1: scheduled for June. The state of Oklahoma wait until a
Speaker 1: week before our secondary hearing and then fouls motions to
Speaker 1: try to eliminate it. So what do they do? They
Speaker 1: counted it pushed them back to September. We're like, here
Speaker 1: we go again. Right, we can't even get in because
Speaker 1: the state of Oklahoma is doing all these procedural roadblocks, right,
Speaker 1: so let me keep going. So as we're getting closer
Speaker 1: to September, Waila, the impossible happened. So the last week
Speaker 1: of August, our new attorney in General, Attorney General Connord,
Speaker 1: does the impossible. He fouls a motion to set execution
Speaker 1: dates for seven death row inmates, including Julius Jones. How
Speaker 1: could you said today with a guy who has appending hearing, right,
Speaker 1: So that blew is out the water. However, in the
Speaker 1: state of Oklahoma, Court of Criminal Appeals has to approve
Speaker 1: and confirm requested execution days by the Attorney General. See
Speaker 1: that was God's blessing because the o c c A
Speaker 1: did not confirm or accept those dates. So now we
Speaker 1: got a chance to keep going with that set timoth
Speaker 1: thing sept timboth th hearing. Uh. So once we got there,
Speaker 1: all we needed to do is have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: provide all the evidence, all the stories that we never had.
Speaker 1: It just has to do in you know, we were
Speaker 1: going to be in good safe So going into it,
Speaker 1: we knew we had an amazing chance uh to make
Speaker 1: his three only because A, the prosecutorial side was so
Speaker 1: out of whack because the original d A died already,
Speaker 1: so all the stuff that they provided back then wasn't
Speaker 1: really available. They had to rebuild, if you will, the
Speaker 1: case against Julius. So, man, God works an amazing way.
Speaker 1: At the hearing again, like Earth said, the prosecutory went first.
Speaker 1: They were stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, and the Howe family does
Speaker 1: their thing. Everybody's crying, and which I get it, you
Speaker 1: know when you lose some one. But what we were
Speaker 1: trying to promote is that, you know, justice for Julia's
Speaker 1: is justice Paul Howell right, because Julia's wasn't the right suspects.
Speaker 1: So uh, as EARV said, they voted three one in
Speaker 1: favor for Julius Jones commutation again as a fancy word
Speaker 1: for thank you for your time served, and we will
Speaker 1: released you. So now we're at the point now that
Speaker 1: Oklahoma state law gives us sixty to ninety days for
Speaker 1: Governor Stick to either sign or deny the commensation. Of course,
Speaker 1: so based on what you said, which you know it's
Speaker 1: a blessing in itself. Um, based on the parole boards
Speaker 1: findings and their decision. What is the likelihood you know,
Speaker 1: based on prior history of the governor going with the
Speaker 1: decision of the war. What is so here's the that's
Speaker 1: a that's a very amazing question because it's tricky. We
Speaker 1: have never had a commutation second hearing provided to the government.
Speaker 1: The last one we had was in the nineteen nineteen eighties.
Speaker 1: That was a total different type of case. But what's
Speaker 1: positive about this opportunity is the board members who voted yes,
Speaker 1: we're personally appointed by the governor. Still, so that tells
Speaker 1: me we'll have an amazing chance of him accepting the recommendation.
Speaker 1: Like it's like me putting Irvan you on my board
Speaker 1: and you give me a recommendation, I'm probably gonna go
Speaker 1: with that because I put you all board. You trust,
Speaker 1: you trust them. So so it's not because I was
Speaker 1: I was mistaken. I thought it would just get him
Speaker 1: off death role and he still might have to serve
Speaker 1: I don't know what in prison, but I guess that
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because he was sentenced to death right,
Speaker 1: So that means that if you commute the sentence, if
Speaker 1: to stop the execution is to stop the sentence completely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a the proper I think the
Speaker 1: proper term is a conversation with life with parole. So
Speaker 1: when you have life with the possibility of parole on
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma state law, that's twenty years, and he's over
Speaker 1: twenty years, so he's automatically eligible for release. Wow, I mean.
Speaker 1: And so you know which is gonna be great. The
Speaker 1: Governor's gonna sign it. There's going to be a major celebration.
Speaker 1: You all are now going to be a new group
Speaker 1: of people working on these cases. So you might as
Speaker 1: well anything else y'all doing C C earth uh and Jimmy,
Speaker 1: that job is over with. It's now going to be
Speaker 1: all about getting you all to help work on cases
Speaker 1: for people who are on depth row um. And certainly
Speaker 1: we want to be we want to be there to support.
Speaker 1: But any event that the governor doesn't sign um would
Speaker 1: it be just in a few weeks that he would
Speaker 1: actually be executed. So here's the confusion about the execution date.
Speaker 1: So the execution execution day is not confirmed. So currently
Speaker 1: there is not an execution day. It was only a
Speaker 1: request by the Attorney general. So the good thing is
Speaker 1: that all the seven people that he was trying to
Speaker 1: get an execution date or does not have an execution date.
Speaker 1: So the question was if he gets denied, what's our
Speaker 1: next step. If he gets denied, then he'll have an
Speaker 1: opportunity what we call a clemency hearing, which would take
Speaker 1: place about twenty days once an execution date is confirmed.
Speaker 1: Once it is confirmed, listen, man, I'm my mouth to
Speaker 1: guards is that you know, we don't even have to
Speaker 1: go to those stages. You know. It's it's just unfortunate
Speaker 1: just listening to this, right, the fact that you can
Speaker 1: issue a death penalty to someone when there is a doubt,
Speaker 1: there's evidence, there's anything that can point to the fact
Speaker 1: that this person has the possibility of not even being
Speaker 1: guilty of the crime. You know, and a lot of
Speaker 1: these crimes, I don't even think they are worthy of
Speaker 1: someone being put to death in the first place. Well,
Speaker 1: if you know, you know, not to say that we
Speaker 1: agree with the death penalty, but another person's life was taken. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what I say. I can say. I'm not
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is there are
Speaker 1: a lot of cases that death penalty that there is
Speaker 1: not unequivocal evidenced, unequivalent, all equivocal means. It could be
Speaker 1: could be wrong to see. This podcast is all about
Speaker 1: us learning, teaching and learning together. So my song makes
Speaker 1: up words, up words. Yeah, so I was trying. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not there is not absolute evidence evidence, and these
Speaker 1: people are actually being murdered this way. It is so crazy,
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm I'm praying, you know, I believe
Speaker 1: that the world has been done. I believe that Julius
Speaker 1: dead to society has been paid for whatever. If he
Speaker 1: didn't do anything that, you know, whatever it is, it's
Speaker 1: God's plan. You know. That's what I always said. When
Speaker 1: I was incarcerated for a crime that I didn't commit,
Speaker 1: and I sat there in prison, it just prepared me
Speaker 1: for the time we are now. Another young brother, he
Speaker 1: was just released after serving twenty four years for a
Speaker 1: crime he did commit, but nobody actually even was hurt
Speaker 1: in that crime. And they had originally sentenced him to
Speaker 1: thirty five or seventy years, and he just received clemency.
Speaker 1: And he had the same you know, positive energy that
Speaker 1: you in us that Julius Joes has. He wanted to
Speaker 1: come home and and he hit the ground with that
Speaker 1: same mentality. So I'm just praying, I see I see
Speaker 1: the right on the wall, and I believe that we're
Speaker 1: gonna get a blessing with this man. You know, I
Speaker 1: just want to say, Man, you know I commend you
Speaker 1: in the work man earth. You know, even being somebody
Speaker 1: in the NBA, you know, having a profile, having you know,
Speaker 1: a fabulous life doing you know what you love to do.
Speaker 1: You always come down for justice. Man. Like we met
Speaker 1: you in Kentucky, you just flew out things like what
Speaker 1: you need me to do, hands on the ground, you know,
Speaker 1: just hey, whatever I can do. And you've been that
Speaker 1: person since, you know, since I met you, and continues
Speaker 1: to see you move in that space man, and knowing
Speaker 1: that God has a purpose for you. You know your
Speaker 1: skill set. You know, they say that your skills will
Speaker 1: provide your purpose man, and your purpose is informing utilizing
Speaker 1: that platform that you have. You lies in the relationships
Speaker 1: that you have to bring voices to people like Julius
Speaker 1: and people like Brianna Taylor. You know, you were always
Speaker 1: advocating with these athletes and let them know that they
Speaker 1: had a moral responsibility to stand on the side of justice. Man.
Speaker 1: So continue doing your work. Brother. We salute you, give
Speaker 1: your flowers while you're here spitulations on a new job
Speaker 1: with the Utah jazz Man. You know I've seen you working.
Speaker 1: You know I know how hard you work, man, so
Speaker 1: I just want to salute you for that as well.
Speaker 1: What's your official title? Earth, Yes, I'm an assistant coach
Speaker 1: with the Utah jazz Man. Uh. Actually my first day
Speaker 1: in the office, so I just left workouts. That's why
Speaker 1: I still got my little gear on. But I just
Speaker 1: left workouts, coming a little office, duck off and wrap
Speaker 1: with my people. But now I appreciate you all having me.
Speaker 1: I'll have to cheer for us this year, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing guy's work. Can't wait to give my
Speaker 1: Utah Yes saying my tickets it offing, I got you,
Speaker 1: I got Well, let me just say as you all
Speaker 1: leave that I want y'all to be my friends, right
Speaker 1: because if ever I'm in a situation the way that
Speaker 1: Jimmy and you Earth are fighting for Julius and of
Speaker 1: course Cecy, while she may not have known him, she
Speaker 1: jumped in and she's become probably more of a friend
Speaker 1: to him than many people that he grew up with.
Speaker 1: Those are the types of friends that we need people
Speaker 1: who would dedicate their lives. And I can tell Jimmy
Speaker 1: by listening to you that over the years you've actually
Speaker 1: educated yourself on the issues to the point where you
Speaker 1: could be a lawyer. Um. I mean you, you know,
Speaker 1: you sound like you now know so much about this system.
Speaker 1: And so together you all make a powerful team. And
Speaker 1: we just want to say thank you for what you're
Speaker 1: doing for Julius and know that anything we can do
Speaker 1: to support we are here. And we believe, we believe
Speaker 1: that it's already been written that it's it's necessary for
Speaker 1: Julius to come home because the work that he has
Speaker 1: in front of him is bigger, so much bigger than
Speaker 1: any of us could even understand. And so that's what
Speaker 1: we all. So everybody on not show reach out to
Speaker 1: the government. Man, Yeah, you know, do the right thing. Man.
Speaker 1: Let Julius, you know, continue his life and utilize the
Speaker 1: rest of his life to do the good work that
Speaker 1: he was pretty here to do. Man. Thank y'all. Jimmy,
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Jimmy Man, We appreciate it. Man. We encourage
Speaker 1: uh the viewers to go to w W dot Justice
Speaker 1: for Julius dot com. I man, I'm sorry. Go say
Speaker 1: that again, Jimmy, because I was trying to see you
Speaker 1: on the screen. Go say it again. Yeah. I want
Speaker 1: to encourage all the viewers to go to ww dot
Speaker 1: justice for Julius dot com. We've got a pre drafted
Speaker 1: letter that you all the type of your information and
Speaker 1: is in a straight the governor's office, flood his office,
Speaker 1: flood is office, flood is office. But don't call up
Speaker 1: to his office cussing them out and writing dirty emails
Speaker 1: and stuff, because sometimes we have to do that, right,
Speaker 1: sometimes we have to do that. But in this situation,
Speaker 1: we want to believe that the governor is going to
Speaker 1: do the right thing. And so you're calling as an
Speaker 1: advocate to give him some encouragement so that he can
Speaker 1: do at what is right. And just so to be
Speaker 1: be careful people, how you talk to the governor right now?
Speaker 1: So you need to do, man, We need him to
Speaker 1: realize the right thing to do is let Julius go.
Speaker 1: So just advocate for and set it on God's promise. Man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate that God has promised that he's gonna do
Speaker 1: some amazing things for Julius, and Judas is gonna do
Speaker 1: some amazing things for this state and this for this nation.
Speaker 1: So we're standing on and we're believing, and we ain't
Speaker 1: gonna let go. Oh man, I ain't gonna let nobody
Speaker 1: turn us around. Don't get us up, don't get us
Speaker 1: shouting up in right. Thank you so much, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. So this is coming home. Yes, if your
Speaker 1: mouth to Guards, I'm just pretty sure of it. Just
Speaker 1: like you know, all these steps that you hear them
Speaker 1: saying they took this step, now steps all. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: all coming to this moment where I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be. It's the same energy that I heard Dante give,
Speaker 1: like he was like, you know, I just want to
Speaker 1: come home. I want to help these young kids, the
Speaker 1: same exact thing that. So, you know, I just believe
Speaker 1: we're in the season for Guard to do something different,
Speaker 1: you know, to empower us and give us some wins
Speaker 1: because we've taken a lot of loansuites al so you know,
Speaker 1: to be able to see some level of justice and
Speaker 1: you know, and seeing moving in the right direction. Like
Speaker 1: he said, you know, the governor appointed, so he respects them,
Speaker 1: you know. So you know, God, we're gonna get what
Speaker 1: we're supposed to get. I don't get what I don't
Speaker 1: get right now, you know. And and it's like what
Speaker 1: we were just talking about the death penalty and we're
Speaker 1: talking about crimes and people going to jail. You know,
Speaker 1: I've seen something in the news that that really just
Speaker 1: hummed and hurt me. It's so many weak individuals in
Speaker 1: the streets, you know. Um. And it was a guy
Speaker 1: who supposedly, you know, allegedly didn't get over his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: She got a new boyfriend, they're pregnant, had a baby shower.
Speaker 1: She's comes home from her baby shower. It's happening in
Speaker 1: hallm you know, a few days maybe a week ago,
Speaker 1: and she comes home and the guy is in her
Speaker 1: hallway with a gun, confronts her and her new boyfriend,
Speaker 1: hunted boy him and her boyfriend getting into a fight.
Speaker 1: She tries to break it up. He shoots in the
Speaker 1: face and kills And I just don't understand the level
Speaker 1: of coward ice that comes to them. I would never
Speaker 1: understand this mentality, you know. And it's so it's becoming
Speaker 1: so much more prevalent in society to see things like this.
Speaker 1: You know, this woman who lost her life, she had
Speaker 1: two other kids and was pretty much about eight to
Speaker 1: nine months pregnant with she was nine months she was
Speaker 1: she was about to give birthday said in about five days,
Speaker 1: and so that means nine months basically probably even before
Speaker 1: that she got pregnant, like she wasn't with you, bro,
Speaker 1: So like you, it's not even like this is just
Speaker 1: two days, three days in two months. In this almost
Speaker 1: a year of at least a year that we know
Speaker 1: of that she hasn't been with you. And when I
Speaker 1: talked about coward culture, you know, I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people hear me say that, and that's what this
Speaker 1: is to me. It's just like what in the mind
Speaker 1: of someone, you know, pushes them to want to harm
Speaker 1: somebody that doesn't want to be with you, to want
Speaker 1: to harm someone is you know, it's a woman, like
Speaker 1: a woman. How do you shoot a woman in the
Speaker 1: face because she's moved on our life? You know? And
Speaker 1: I think the culture has and you know, you know
Speaker 1: in this time, these type of people are being celebrated.
Speaker 1: No they're not. They are they are because they're putting
Speaker 1: stuff like this, People are recording and the putting on
Speaker 1: There was a guy with a girl in the face,
Speaker 1: what a uh what was a board or something in Harlem?
Speaker 1: And people skateboard and they laughed about it, and people.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, those kids, I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody anyone is celebrating pregnant woman's life being So you're
Speaker 1: saying that they're celebrating a type of person that turns
Speaker 1: into that. Exactly. It's it's things that lead up to that, right,
Speaker 1: It's things that when you just celebrate the violence and
Speaker 1: senseless violence and you call it somehow savage and all
Speaker 1: of this and I'm a demon and all that mentality
Speaker 1: leads to that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. And we celebrate the mentality and a
Speaker 1: characteristic within men who are supposed to males who are
Speaker 1: supposed to be men that you know, that gives the
Speaker 1: lights to situations like this. So I really just don't
Speaker 1: get it. I think, you know, man, we gotta do
Speaker 1: a lot better in our communities. You know, we have
Speaker 1: to stand up. You don't know what, don't you agree with?
Speaker 1: It doesn't give light to situations like this? It does, Okay,
Speaker 1: So let me explain to you what happens is I
Speaker 1: go on the internet, a girl is arguing with somebody,
Speaker 1: She gets loud, he slaps up and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: she said she shouldn't have gotten this. Faith woom woom woom. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she she a man, she getting a man face. She
Speaker 1: deal with it right. The same situation happens a girl
Speaker 1: gets she pushes to do he punches it. Yo, shouldn't
Speaker 1: ever put his hands on it. Right, So maybe she
Speaker 1: got an the middle of this. What happens is once
Speaker 1: you start saying, well, if that happens, then she deserved it,
Speaker 1: or that happened that she deserved it, the mind state
Speaker 1: of the individual starts to progress. So if she's in
Speaker 1: the middle and they fighting and she trying to break
Speaker 1: it up, and she pushed me to get out of here,
Speaker 1: this and that, and he shoots her in her mind
Speaker 1: his mind, well, y'all said it wasn't nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: that when they did this. Anybody says she should have
Speaker 1: did this, well, she pushed me, or she did this,
Speaker 1: she deserved it. It gives it gives some level of
Speaker 1: understanding to that. The mind state once you start saying, listen,
Speaker 1: at no point do you do anything in the harm
Speaker 1: or woman, right, and no point or is it okay
Speaker 1: for us to put our hands on women, or do
Speaker 1: anything negative. You protect women and babies at all cars.
Speaker 1: Once that mind state becomes prevalent, becomes what society says,
Speaker 1: then you're not shooting a woman for no reason. There's
Speaker 1: no reason that you you thought the man and you
Speaker 1: end up shooting the woman. You're killing them. This is
Speaker 1: you understand, I'm saying, you got into a fight with
Speaker 1: the man and the woman is the one who got killed. Wow.
Speaker 1: So so that's what I'm trying to say. It gives
Speaker 1: it is. It's very heavy. It's heavy. It's heavy, very
Speaker 1: very heavy. It's heavy. And you know, people have been
Speaker 1: raising the point that domestic violence is a real thing
Speaker 1: that we still you know, I don't know how you
Speaker 1: stop it. You know, because people have been arrested and
Speaker 1: received like real sentences real time for domestic violence. People
Speaker 1: have taken the lives of of of people who have
Speaker 1: harm loved ones, like there's been so many different forms
Speaker 1: of accountability, and yet still still you see that domestic
Speaker 1: violence is real. And I guess we all would have
Speaker 1: to say that it's a real serious mental health crisis
Speaker 1: in our community, and it and it and it's something
Speaker 1: sick to your point about people who even make any
Speaker 1: type of light about you know, harm and a woman
Speaker 1: or beating a woman or whatever, and we do see that.
Speaker 1: So I guess I understand what you're saying, but I
Speaker 1: just don't want to believe that there's anybody in the
Speaker 1: world that's okay with this. Do you know what the
Speaker 1: self part it is people that's okay. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: the majority are, but they're like sick, weird weirdo nuts exactly.
Speaker 1: And what happens is the sick widow nuts being celebrated
Speaker 1: in this culture. He's being uplifted. They're making this scene.
Speaker 1: Oh he's a savage, he's a demon. You don't play
Speaker 1: with nobody. He'll shoot and do this, and that's what
Speaker 1: they go a frond, But I don't think they say
Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot a woman. But anyway, they say anybody
Speaker 1: could get it. This is what they They do say that,
Speaker 1: and that's what this podcast is about. It's about talking
Speaker 1: about things actually are going on in our community and
Speaker 1: a lot of other people don't touch on. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no one topic, no one way. Well, they presented
Speaker 1: as news. It's like a news like and then this happened,
Speaker 1: So sorry, you know, rest in peace to the family.
Speaker 1: And that's it. But what we're trying to do is
Speaker 1: down to what is it about us that allows this
Speaker 1: to happen? And that's what we do. You do it well.
Speaker 1: You're not always wrong, I'm not always wrong, I'm not
Speaker 1: always right, but we both always the piece, y'all.