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Speaker 1: and Nathan Zigura. All right, let's do it live on

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Speaker 1: a first Friday Miracle edition of the program. Merrily Bow

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Speaker 1: the Great gibbe here today? Was it three oh four yesterday?

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Speaker 1: I saw it a couple of minutes later because I

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Speaker 1: got caught in a conversation and immediately had a notification

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Speaker 1: and it said three oh eight, but it said it

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Speaker 1: had happened like four minutes earlier. Amazing, amazing that it happened.

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Speaker 1: That is a theme. Yeah, not just here in the building,

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Speaker 1: but everything right after three and then it can go nuts. Look,

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Speaker 1: it's let's set the ground rules of this. When as

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Speaker 1: it comes to the Lamar Jackson situation in Baltimore, the

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Speaker 1: non exclusive tag that was placed on him, and I

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Speaker 1: think most people listening out there understand this now requires

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Speaker 1: that two first round picks would come back in the deal.

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Speaker 1: It also is contingent on him reaching an agreement with

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Speaker 1: another team. So it wasn't just as straightforward as you know,

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Speaker 1: we can, let's go get Lamar. It was straightforward as

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Speaker 1: we can get Lamar. The cost is two first round picks,

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Speaker 1: and then we've got to do a deal with him

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Speaker 1: that he's that he wants to sign. One of the

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Speaker 1: distinctions that I think is important is this has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with the Daniel Jones or the Geno Smith

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Speaker 1: deals that were signed. Daniel Jones's deal was signed yesterday

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Speaker 1: afternoon and then or agreed to yesterday noon. Smith was

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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. These things are not similar,

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Speaker 1: and they're not similar for one really important reason. If

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Speaker 1: you believe the reporting that's out there, and I do,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson wanted a guaranteed number in the Deshaun Watson realm,

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Speaker 1: and probably to exceed the Deshaun Watson number of two

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million dollars. It's important to know that

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Speaker 1: the Deshaun Watson deal and that entire circumstance a year

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Speaker 1: ago was one that the league had never really had before.

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Speaker 1: This was a quarterback of incredible talent available in his prime.

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Speaker 1: There was a legitimate bidding war for his services we

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Speaker 1: were lucky enough to be able to sign him. The

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Speaker 1: number that's out there, the two hundred and thirty million

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Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed. It was well reported after that, and again

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Speaker 1: believing these reports that others would have been more than

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Speaker 1: happy to match that number, and that the bidding got

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Speaker 1: to that point because you had four teams all chasing

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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback in his prime. So Lamar Jackson wants

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Speaker 1: I understand it. He's an MVP. I totally get it.

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Speaker 1: He wants that. So the NFL that we've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of people do contracts since you know, the Rogers

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Speaker 1: per year deal, and we'll get to him in a second.

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Speaker 1: The Kyler deal happened since, but the teams in the league,

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Speaker 1: there is no question that the guaranteed money for Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson makes some people uncomfortable. And it makes my guess

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Speaker 1: is Cincinnati, the Chargers, anybody else is gonna have to

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Speaker 1: sign a contract to a quarterback quite uncomfortable. So Baltimore

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Speaker 1: made it clear early on that they were not going

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Speaker 1: to go that big, and the reported numbers on him

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Speaker 1: one fifty guaranteed, so forth and so on. So Lamar

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Speaker 1: They said, let's see who, if anybody else wants to

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Speaker 1: go this far. Now, this is the part that I

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Speaker 1: think it's a little sticky, and I'm just connecting dots here,

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Speaker 1: but I think they're pretty easy to connect from my perspective.

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Speaker 1: Within fifteen minutes of the Ravens placing this tag on Lamar,

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Speaker 1: several quarterback needy teams, including the Falcons, the Panthers, the Commanders,

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Speaker 1: kind of walked back. But all of those teams within

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Speaker 1: the first hour of him becoming tagged, say we're out.

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Speaker 1: Why publicly? Why? Why publicly? Why do you leak it

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Speaker 1: to Diana Russini at three sixteen that the Falcons aren't

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Speaker 1: are out of the Why would you be out? You're

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Speaker 1: not interested in MVP in his prime? Who's worth Nathan

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Speaker 1: I talked about this, he was worth the PFF numbers

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in his prime. That is a dormant franchise.

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Speaker 1: They got a lot of things they're trying to get

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Speaker 1: So this is the part where the C word comes in.

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Speaker 1: This is the part where collusion comes in. This is

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty easy to get there. I do,

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Speaker 1: But I also think that it's very it's also very

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Speaker 1: pot it's possible that that is happened, but it's also

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Speaker 1: important that what happened for me, at least Gibby, it's

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Speaker 1: important that what happened and is happening with Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: really has not thing to do with Daniel Jones at all,

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Speaker 1: because what Lamar Jackson wanted from Baltimore is not what

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones wanted from the Giants. Now, everybody would take

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Speaker 1: Lamar of a Daniel Jones, but they're not. Those two

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Speaker 1: are on a First Friday, Have a cocktail. The last

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Speaker 1: time that Lamar Jackson played a full season in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League twenty eighteen. Yeah, the last two years

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Speaker 1: he's missed. He played in twelve games in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: year until you had a contract. Yeah, should have played

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Speaker 1: hardball with the organization. The franchise got hurt again and

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Speaker 1: cost yourself a lot of money. Should have maybe should

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Speaker 1: have taken the contract that was offered to you. Some

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Speaker 1: It makes zero sense. Yeah, Atlanta, how about what is

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Speaker 1: Miami so after it's a weird thing because Miami had

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Speaker 1: We're not We're not that that as an outlier. We're

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Speaker 1: that's what it felt like what happened yesterday was about.

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Speaker 1: to publicly say, oh, when we're not in on him,

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Speaker 1: I mean so, but he but honestly, like pull up

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Speaker 1: Lots of news yesterday I mentioned this. We were talking

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Speaker 1: also be just doing that to drive up if somebody

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Speaker 1: wants to come up to five and draft a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They also seem to be like the perfect spot for

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, the kid out of Florida, where he could

431
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Speaker 1: sit for two years, three years whatever and ye and

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Speaker 1: then be in a position to be developed correctly. They've

433
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Speaker 1: never figured out the offensive side of the ball in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: They've had a bunch of different coordinators there, but they've

435
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Speaker 1: got a lot of talent right now on that side

436
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Speaker 1: of the ball, and so they would have an ability

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Speaker 1: to be able to do that. This is when you

438
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Speaker 1: should take note of the Bills are expected to lose

439
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Speaker 1: safety Jordan Poyer, who we've talked about, and Tremaine Edmonds

440
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Speaker 1: in free agency. According to Adam Schefter, I feel like

441
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Speaker 1: Edmunds has had a lot of injuries here recently. Players

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Speaker 1: over thirty thirty one. I think. Now, yeah, well didn't

443
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Speaker 1: he say you want to play a place? So they

444
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Speaker 1: didn't take his tack his money. But yeah, he had

445
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Speaker 1: a tax twitter rant. I want to say, like seven

446
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Speaker 1: hundred grand came out for New York state taxes. Florida nothing,

447
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Speaker 1: So I don't blame him on that. Uh yeah, but

448
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Speaker 1: those those would be two big losses. And you really,

449
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Speaker 1: I mean, when when is von Miller coming back? And

450
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Speaker 1: what's he gonna look like? Yeah, there's some questions for

451
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills still. Oh they got Yeah, they've got

452
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Speaker 1: a lot. They got a lot to sort out. They

453
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Speaker 1: were they they've got some decisions to make because last

454
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Speaker 1: year was really their year. They were building to last

455
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Speaker 1: year and then they came up short um and so yeah,

456
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: they've got a little bit of alterning in it. But

457
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 1: by the way, you still have Alan so they can

458
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: always build around that. The Rams elected not to use

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Speaker 1: their franchise tag on Kicker Matt. He now sits at

460
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Speaker 1: the open market with free age. The beginning on the

461
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Speaker 1: fifteenth garret follow with that Shaquille Griffin being released by Jacksonville.

462
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Speaker 1: There's that information that's out there in the bucks are

463
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Speaker 1: releasing veteran Donovan Smith, so Monday is one we'll be

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Speaker 1: able to really legally tamper. Yeah, I think Monday at noon. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: but it's now Monday at noon, which I couldn't be

467
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Speaker 1: happier about because I don't need to see that in

468
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Speaker 1: the middle of my weekend. All right, good deal, bad deal.

469
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Speaker 1: Regarding tags, Toron Payne Commanders eighteen point nine five million

470
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Speaker 1: good or bad? Good for them? Yeah? Sure, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think the number well, I mean yeah,

472
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Speaker 1: like if he hit the open market, he would have

473
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Speaker 1: been the best defensive tackle out there, correct, So that's yeah,

474
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Speaker 1: that makes sense for that. They got a lot of

475
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Speaker 1: money in that defensive line though. Evan Ingram back to

476
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: Jacksonville eleven point three million. Good deal, bad deal? He

477
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Speaker 1: got a young quarterback who liked him. Yep, eleven million bucks.

478
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I it's almost from the from I always

479
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: view all this stuff from a team perspective, Like, it's

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Speaker 1: not a good deal for Dron Payne. He'd rather hit

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Speaker 1: the market in a year where there's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of great defensive line talent. But it's a great deal

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Speaker 1: for Washington to keep him. So I guess my my

484
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: default is always almost anytime there's a tag placed, it

485
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Speaker 1: benefits the team. You know, the team's gonna win. There.

486
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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard to the Cowboys ten million. They're fascinating because

487
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what he's better. I love

488
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: Zeke to death, but he's better. Yeah. So, but you

489
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Speaker 1: still have Zeke under contract, right And when he talked

490
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Speaker 1: about that, Gwen, when can they get out of that?

491
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Speaker 1: I want to say it's not for other than a

492
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Speaker 1: year or two. Yeah, that was a that was a

493
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: tough That was a tough deal man. That is Zekiel

494
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: Elliott deal. Let's see, and he hasn't been the same since.

495
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: It's ninety million dollars deal for a running back. It

496
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: was the last big one, you know. It was the

497
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: last big running back deal. Like the deal we gave Chubb,

498
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: the deal that the Titans gave Henry were much more reasonable.

499
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Speaker 1: And honestly, I think it's probably I want to say

500
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Speaker 1: he might be able to get out after this year. Maybe, actually,

501
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: like I think they can get out from Elliott right now.

502
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: Elliot is set to count sixteen million against the Surya

503
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: with non guarantee of ten point four in base The

504
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: Cowboys could look for Elliott to take a significant paycut,

505
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: but it's worth pointing out they did not make paycut

506
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: offers to DeMarcus Ware and Dez Bryant before releasing both players.

507
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones loves ze because he's not ready to say

508
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: Elliott had reached the end of the line with the Cowboys. Said,

509
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: Elliot's knee and jury limited him. If I could replicate

510
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Speaker 1: the feeling that I had before Paula got hurt in

511
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: the feeling with Zeke, I'd dial it right now, that

512
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: very feeling. I would not try to improve upon that

513
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: right now. So it sounds like they can get out

514
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: from under They could release Zeke now without much penalty.

515
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys cut Elliott, they would say four point

516
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: eight six million, they designated him post June sixth, they

517
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: would save ten point nine. So that's probably where that's headed.

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00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of like the John Johnson thing. Yeah,

519
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: and frankly, if I'm Buffalo, maybe I'll take a flyer

520
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: on that. I don't know. I feel like he's lost

521
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of a step. He's definitely not the

522
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: player he once was, but no, can he still make

523
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: place for you? Well, he actually fits better with them

524
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: than I know. He's not the same. He's not as

525
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: good a player as Derrick Henry is, but he's more

526
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Speaker 1: of a dual threat guy than Henry is. In his

527
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: last fully healthy season, which was twenty twenty one, he

528
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: ran for a thousand yards four yards a carry. He

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Speaker 1: had forty seven receptions out of the backfield for two

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00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: eighty seven just six point one to catch, but he

531
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: was a reliable target out of the backfield. He burst

532
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: onto the scene man sixteen thirty one and fifteen touchdow

533
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: as a rookie. Josh Jacobs ten million squon Barkley ten million.

534
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: I think the Barkley deal makes sense. I think the

535
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: deal makes sense for the Raiders, although I have no

536
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Speaker 1: their idea what direction the Raiders are going in. And

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Speaker 1: if I'm Josh Jacobs, I'm probably not pleased to go

538
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Speaker 1: back to Las Vegas. Yeah, I don't know what they're

539
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: doing either. To me, it feels like they're gonna go

540
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: to the bottom. Well, so there's an example, like you're

541
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Speaker 1: telling me that they wouldn't benefit from Lamar Jackson Jacobs

542
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Speaker 1: wallel tight end. Yeah, like you've got some playmakers that

543
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Speaker 1: McDaniels Jane Adams. Yeah, McDaniels used and he had Cam

544
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Speaker 1: Newton for a year in New England, and that was

545
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Speaker 1: a broken down Cam like a fully a healthy Lamar

546
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: on the turf feels like a win um in a

547
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Speaker 1: non And this is just coming down to a non

548
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Speaker 1: NFL news but NFL adjacent. Nick Saban says it out loud.

549
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: So I've been talking about this for a decade down

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Speaker 1: in Columbus, Saban saying, quote, I would rather see an

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Speaker 1: n FL model in college football. I'd much rather see

552
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: austrup to an NFL model than where we are right now.

553
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: Pay the players they can become employees, which a lot

554
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Speaker 1: of people in college That's not what college football or

555
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: amateur sports is supposed to be. But I'd rather see

556
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: that than where we are right now, where nobody has

557
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: a contract, you can leave whenever you want. You can

558
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: create an institution that pay you to pay out of

559
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: the school. I asked the question then, and I'll ask

560
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: you now, is that what we want college football to become.

561
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: He wants the control back, and the only way to

562
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: get the control back is to call it what it is.

563
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: But that's the most important guy in the sport saying

564
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Speaker 1: we made this bed. And the only way that we

565
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: can make the mess, make it not a mess, is

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Speaker 1: to call it what it is. That's bigley for somebody

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00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: of him to say that stuff out loud, you know, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And I think that behind the scenes there excuse me,

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Speaker 1: they're they're struggling with the nil as much as everybody else.

570
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Speaker 1: And that's Alabama. Nobody knows what to do with it.

571
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: They don't know how to police it. They don't know

572
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: how to hold people accountable because they're not. There's no contracts,

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00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: nothever you want like people. The other thing is that

574
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: money's drying up, so like as I knew that it would.

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00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: Initially there's gonna be all this money in the market,

576
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: and then quickly there'd be wealthy people. One thing we

577
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: know about wealthy people, they don't like to lose money

578
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: for nothing, like where's my ROI? So you throw a

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Speaker 1: bunch of money at a kid and then all of

580
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: a sudden he transfers. You go, wait a second, I

581
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: gave that kid a million six to play corner at

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00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: Texas A and m he's not here anymore. And the

583
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: coach is like, I'm sorry, I couldn't. I couldn't force

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Speaker 1: him to be here. There's free transfer. I can't force

585
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: him to pay your money back because there's no contracts.

586
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: They're supposed to be there for this nil and it's

587
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: not to be used in recruiting, so there's no control

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00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: over any of it. Right now. That's the that's the setup,

589
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: the whole money drying up thing. I mean, that's people

590
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: don't want to they don't want to get it's it's

591
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: the recruiting side of it where you can do this

592
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: a couple of years, but then it's like, wait a second,

593
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Speaker 1: what did I get for this? You know? Yeah, that's

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00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: the problem. So Saban saying that is of significance. Absolutely,

595
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: We've never had somebody that prominent say we need to

596
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: pay these guys. It needs to get figured out. And

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00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: the fact that the NBA can't figure it out or

598
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: won't they chose not to give they won't. Yeah, the

599
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: NCUBA for the last fifteen twenty years. I mean essentially

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Speaker 1: it's Jesus take the wheel, but you don't believe in Jesus.

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00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: That's what it is. I mean, there's nobody at the ship.

602
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: They they still you know, ice books straight ahead and

603
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: they just went, oh the hell with it, let's go yeah,

604
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: and that's what they did. Um, they have and now

605
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: they have no power left because all of these are

606
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: state laws. Now these NA laws are state laws, and

607
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: the NCABA can't supersede it. So they're stuck. The only

608
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: way out of it is to call it what it is,

609
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: which is professional sports in football and men's basketball, those

610
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: are the two revenue generators. So that's the that's the

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Speaker 1: way that it's going to have to be. And for

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Speaker 1: saving to say, it is very very noteworthy. Um, all right,

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Speaker 1: our coach was on part in my take, we will

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Speaker 1: have some fun with this. Seems like he had a

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Speaker 1: little bit of fun. We'll have it for you. Coming

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Speaker 1: it is. You're down eight points. Okay, you have all

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Speaker 1: three year timeouts three all three year timeouts, I think

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Speaker 1: forty eight seconds left. You you are on fourth and

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Speaker 1: what do you do? Yeah? You can kick the field

638
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: goal and then hope that you get the on side

639
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: kick in the and you could you kicked the ball

640
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: deep and he's all three and hope you get the

641
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: ball back. You're you're going in. You're close to this

642
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: ever happen in any game, No, no, no game, not

643
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: in any like high profile, playoff games or anything like that. No,

644
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: no championship games. I think when you get low down

645
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: I do know this. As you get lower down in

646
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: the red zone, like you gotta take your shot a

647
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: lot of times. Now that does not I I'm not

648
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: speaking to any example, but I will say this that

649
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: inside when you get low that eight yard line, it

650
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: is difficult. There's not a lot of plays that that

651
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: you'll love to be able to hold on the ball.

652
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: But um, to your point, if you don't get it now,

653
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: you can use your three timeouts and maybe get the

654
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: ball back. So when we are sitting on the couch

655
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: and like say it's first in or say it's third

656
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: and goal from the five and you get a five

657
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: yard penalty, I always am like, good, more room? Is

658
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: that right? No, it's not because it takes you longer.

659
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: You're eligible players, it takes them longer to get into

660
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: the end zone. But it's uh, I'll tell you what

661
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: those decisions and it's sometimes you're like damned if you do,

662
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: damned if you don't. Right. Um, Ultimately, I try. We

663
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: try to bet on the players as much as you

664
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: can and trust the guys. So do you have how

665
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: does that work? For you specifically on a subline. Do

666
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: you have, uh, your offensive coordinator in your ear? Do

667
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: you have an analytics guy in your ear? We have,

668
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: we have a game management coach up up in the booth.

669
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: Who's the way we work our fourth down decisions? At

670
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: least we use the red, yellow, green scale, which can

671
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: we understand that one? That's yeah, So we'll oftentimes like say, hey,

672
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: you're green at three, meaning fourth and three two or one,

673
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: you're green. All these decisions you make during the week

674
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: because you look at the game, you look at the matchup,

675
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: you look at the weather, and you basically come out

676
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, how many points do we need to score?

677
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: How's our matchup on defense? Those type of things, because

678
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: it's it's hard and now there's times when it's yellow

679
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: and that's the true gut. But when when it's pretty

680
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: clear that you should go for it based on the

681
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: information you have available to you, it speeds up your process. Yeah,

682
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: what about the time out aspect of the game, do

683
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: you ever? I've always said that, like coaches should play

684
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: Madden in the offseason just to put yourself in those

685
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: game situations. Honestly, so I grew up playing Madden Um,

686
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: I really believe our generation is maybe a little bit

687
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: better at game management because we've done that because we

688
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: know when you're down ten and you got hey, we'rem

689
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: gonna kick the field goal now, and then I'm gonna

690
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: get the on side. I gotta get the seven later. UM.

691
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: I do think all those games. I know it's silly,

692
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: but I do think that all helps when it comes

693
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: to game matchment. What about if you're down by fourteen points,

694
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: what two minutes left in the fourth quarter, you're going in,

695
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: you score a touchdown, do you go for two? Or

696
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: do you kick an extra point? I think you go

697
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: for two. The nice part is you have somebody up

698
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: in the booth that's helping you with all these decisions,

699
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: so you don't have to make them all in the moment. Because,

700
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: as you guys know, like you make a decision when

701
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: it works, you're really smart. When it doesn't work, you're

702
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: getting text messages that you're getting tweets from Bighead. Yes, yes,

703
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: sweet I you said something there about Madden that reminded

704
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: me your cosplaying as an older guy with your beard,

705
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: Because we remember we had that revelation. We're like, wait,

706
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: we're the same age as Kevin Sefanski, This isn't fair.

707
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: Why do you you You are a young looking guy,

708
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: except your beard is gray? Thank you. I think that's

709
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: a compliment. Ye yeah, yeah, so, but I think you're

710
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: doing it on purpose. So people are like, oh, he's

711
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: been around forever. That's an Yeah, maybe I should So

712
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: should I diet? Is it? First of all? I tell

713
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: my kids it's blonde, it's not gray. Okay, Yeah, Should

714
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: I go gray or or should I? I think it's

715
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: a good amount of gray. You don't want to end

716
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: up like Hank. But I think that with with your face, well,

717
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: I think our theory was that you were dying your

718
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: beard gray. Yeah. Yeah, and it is because we're saying, basically,

719
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: you're way younger than maybe your beard looks like. I'll

720
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: get the reverse where I'll say I'm thirty eight and

721
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: people like that sucks. Yeah. For me, when it comes

722
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: to the beard, it's like I don't like to shave,

723
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: so when you just let it grow out and then

724
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: you get to trim it every week or so, so

725
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: it just kind of takes away a day of maintenance,

726
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Ye, you have a schedule in place,

727
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: like you know that you should trim it two days

728
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: before game day because there's But I have unbelievable barber

729
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: that I go to. Can I give him a plug? Yeah?

730
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: Shout him out Sean Gormley. He's the Irish barber. Irish

731
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: barber in Rocky River, Ohio. He has a pub right

732
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: next door to the barbershop that he also owned, so

733
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: you can have a pint while you're getting your haircut.

734
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: That makes Yeah, No, that's I mean, that sounds like

735
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: the perfect barbershop. You're just sitting there and drinking a

736
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: beer and having I like, I mean sometimes you like

737
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: to almost close my eyes and just take a little

738
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: false sleep. Yeah, take a little snooze. I gotta be

739
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: honest with you. I'm worried about the shards going into

740
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: the beer. Yeah, wait around that. I understand having the

741
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: beer before before or after after. I think during I

742
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: would be worried about. Yeah, and shout out. I love

743
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: that pub. That's why I left that clip in. Uh.

744
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: They have a fantastic balcony second floor that you go.

745
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: You literally have to crawl through a window to go

746
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: out and be on It's pretty awesome. But it is,

747
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: but as it's about as great at Irish pub as

748
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna find. Okay, well that's fantastic. Yeah, so he

749
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: does beard trimming two for him Clearly, I know the

750
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: barbershop right next door. I didn't realize two and one there.

751
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: I gotta have my guys at Salsby. Maybe maybe need

752
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: to expand a little bit and we get a little

753
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: beard trim in addition to the hair trim. That might

754
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: be the way that we get that done. Yeah, yeah,

755
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: that's nice. There's a lot going on getting ready for

756
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: a game, but there is. Yeah. I thought it was.

757
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: You know, Nathan, I always talk about that, like, you know,

758
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: these guys should play Madden just for like game clock management,

759
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: because ninety percent of the stuff you see on a

760
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: Sunday when you're like banging your head against the wall,

761
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: you're like, well, if you just played man, you'd understand

762
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: that always keep more clock time. Yeah, you keep the

763
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: more clock the better be aware. So I thought that

764
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: was that was a nice one. Um, that's funny. On

765
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: like the beard strategy. I tell my kids it's blonde. Yeah, Coach,

766
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: understand that we are monitoring this and we look forward

767
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: to having you're back in studio soon to talk about

768
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: your blond beard. Yeah, yeah, very good. Um. Also their

769
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: theory that he was trying to make himself look older.

770
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: I thought that was funny as well. So good. I mean, look,

771
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: he played along. It's a lot of fun for everybody.

772
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: They're great. Um it continued. Uh they Big Cat and

773
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: PMT got him into, UM got him into reliving the

774
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: twenty and twenty playoffs. Of course, here is that clip.

775
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: Are you superstitious at all? Uh? Not really? No, I

776
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: don't think so, okay, because I would explain for why

777
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: you didn't sit out the second playoff game after you

778
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: had COVID against the Steelers, because I would have sat

779
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: that out if I were you. Yeah, Um, we gave

780
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: you credit. By the way, are you did have you

781
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: won a playoff game? Technically? Yes? Maybe? No? Does that

782
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: count if if I wasn't there? We gave you credit.

783
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: And then a bunch of Steelers fans were like, he

784
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: wasn't even on the sideline. I don't care. Yeah, I

785
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: know this that it was the most surreal. Now it

786
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: happened the next year, but it wasn't a playoff game.

787
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: I missed a game. We were playing the Raiders at

788
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: our place. But I can't describe you how weird. It

789
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: was like out of body type stuff where you're watching

790
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: your football team play in a playoff game, you're in

791
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: your basement, you're sick, your family's upstairs. It was just

792
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: the strangest time you act. You had a quote after

793
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: that that I love that You said that it was

794
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: harder to watch the games than yeah, and that's no,

795
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: I get it you. I was pacing up and down.

796
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: I have the call sheet in front of me, which

797
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know why, and I'm trying to figure out

798
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: what they're calling next and when you That's why. If

799
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: you guys were on the sideline of your call and plays,

800
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: you have the power or you can make decisions. So

801
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: it's the nervous energy is not there when you're in

802
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: the moment calling plays. I was so nervous going up

803
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: and down. Just it was incredible. How did you prepare

804
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: for that game? As a as a head coach you're sick,

805
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: How much can you actually put into place? And how

806
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: much do you trust your guys to do well? I

807
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: mean I was available to game plan all week. I

808
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: ran the meetings, you know, from my basement because I

809
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: wasn't sick. I mean, well, I had COVID but I

810
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: wasn't like ill um, but I was running the Zoom meetings.

811
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: And then I did tell the coaches. You know, Mike

812
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: Preefer was our acting head coach. In that game, I

813
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: told Alex van Pelt called the plays, I'm like, do

814
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: not think about me looking over your shoulder. You guys

815
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: just be fearless to do what I know you're capable

816
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: of doing. And they did. And so, I mean, it

817
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: was an incredible season for the Browns. I know that

818
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: you have aspirations to take the Browns deeper in the playoffs,

819
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: but that specific season getting to the playoffs, like were

820
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: you getting stopped to the grocery store and just everywhere

821
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: like thank you so much? Coach? Well, I got it

822
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: was all before the season two. I can't tell you

823
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: how many times I was reminded that the team hadn't

824
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: been to the playoffs since and I was like, I

825
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: don't care. I wasn't here for any of that. Right

826
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: had to suffer, Like I didn't live that, so that

827
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't matter to me. And then going the playoffs,

828
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, you want to set your bar a little

829
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: bit higher than just going to the playoffs. But I did.

830
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: I remember it's going through the airport in Cleveland and

831
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: one of the TSA agent comes up and says, thank

832
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: you for beating Pittsburgh. That was our super Bowl. Yeah,

833
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I went to super Bowl, but

834
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: there is something about beating those Steelers. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely

835
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: good stuff there. And that was that whole year was

836
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: so surreal. I mean, that's the legendary Jim Donovan. All

837
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: that's missing is all of you. I Mean, it's hard

838
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: to believe that that was our reality for that year,

839
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: wasn't it. I Mean it's hard to believe that's two

840
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: years years ago. Yeah, three years ago. Three years ago

841
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: is when it started. Yeah, three yeah, this week, Yeah,

842
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: it was when Yeah, because again he was out. Yeah,

843
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: the girls in Mexico. Correct the calendar, like we must

844
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: do that. He must go to the Combine every year,

845
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: and then the next week he's off. Because that's exactly

846
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: what it was. He saw him. We all were together

847
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: at the Combine, yeah, which probably was a super spreader

848
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: event that we didn't know about. Yeah, So we were

849
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: all together at the Combine and then he went to

850
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: Mexico and you and I were here the next week

851
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: and then because it was big ten tournament. They were

852
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: getting ready for the Yeah, on that Thursday, and they

853
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: were like the Ivy League bailed on like Tuesday, they said,

854
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: we're out. There was an end the NBA thing happened

855
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Wednesday night. It was Wednesday night, running out. Stop, everybody stopped.

856
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: Everybody go to the locker room. That's right, Rudy Gobert, Yes, yeah,

857
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: And then that shut it down and the way you went,

858
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: and then it was like, well, we're postponing everything, and

859
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: then it was canceled. And then it was like, actually

860
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: everything's canceled. Yeah, well see I've got every piece of

861
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: our equipment on this table going, all right, you're taking

862
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: this case, you're taking this. We did that on a Friday. Yeah,

863
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: and I'll see you when I see you. Yeah, And

864
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: we didn't know what that. You had no idea. We

865
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: came back for training camp and then we were here

866
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: for a little bit and then out again and there

867
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: was no one in the building except us in football.

868
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, I mean that was nuts. Yeah,

869
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: it was yeah. I mean there was no caf TIERI.

870
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: I smuggled in I can say it now. I smuggled

871
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: in a microwave at like eleven o'clock at night the

872
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: one night because I was like, we gotta be able

873
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: to eat. You have to eat something. Yeah, yeah, I

874
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: remember even going like the first time I went to

875
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: the grocery store and I was dressed like Doc Brown

876
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: and back to the future. Yeah, we weren't allowed out

877
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: of this room. And then yeah, crazy, what where all

878
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: that was? But yeah, I mean, yeah, that's imagine him

879
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: standing in his basement with a call sheet watching us

880
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: play and we called the game. We called the game

881
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: from first energy in the nation. It's like the biggest moment. Yeah,

882
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: went to games. Well, Zigura went to Baltimore. Uh, he

883
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: went to the AFC North games. He went to the

884
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: playoff game, right, he went to the playoff game. Did

885
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: he go to Kansas City or not? No one went

886
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: to Kansas City. Yeah, and we we literally called the

887
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: game off a two large screens. Yeah, absolutely surreal. We'll

888
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: have more of that interview from coach to Fanski. I'm

889
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: pardon my take, Uh, that is coming up here in

890
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: the second hour. In addition to that, we had a

891
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: little thing or not a thing. You'll hear Z's conversation

892
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: with Cynthony since Cynthia Freeland, great friend of the program

893
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: that will be coming up next to Clevedan Browns Daily,

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902
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: to the NFL combine. A conversation Z had with the

903
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: networks analytics experts Cynthia Freeland. Very happy now to be

904
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: joined by Cynthia Freeland from the NFL Networks. She used

905
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: their analytics analyst. Well, Cynthy, there we go. Got it.

906
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: How that's how you know you're a pro. You gotta

907
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: navigate some tough waters in there. I could go sideways

908
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: in a hurry. It really kept trust me. I've sat

909
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: here and keeping a straight base is my secret power.

910
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: When that when when it goes side, was I'm like, yep,

911
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: that's what we're going with and we're just gonna go

912
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: ahead and pretend like that didn't just happen. Cynthia, thank

913
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. And it's just

914
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna start on a top level because

915
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: as the Cleveland Browns, I know that, you know, we

916
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: deal with this a lot. All the Browns use analytics.

917
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: The Browns's wait, did you you do? Some people are

918
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: up in arms about it. So what what does that

919
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: means to you? Just analytics in general and how it

920
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: can be applied in the National Football League. Well, I think,

921
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: first off, the Browns do a really good job of

922
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: like sure we can call the word analytics. I don't

923
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: even know what that means anymore, like the A word,

924
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: it's just overused. But the reality is, it's like it's

925
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: organizing your data in such a way that is usable

926
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: and in a timely matter, like in the time you

927
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: can use it. Right, that's it, that's all, that's all

928
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: it is. It's perfect, and like, let's keep it that simple,

929
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: because the reality is is it takes a lot for

930
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: it to be that simple. And that's what the Browns

931
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: do really well. They do a lot of advanced sophisticated things.

932
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: But it's also that you can make quick decisions that

933
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: are higher probability of being the outcome that you want.

934
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: Not perfect, nothing's a perfect. I mean isn't it hard

935
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: for people to get their head around that? Though? It's

936
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: like cool, if you used analytics you have to get

937
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: the right outcome. Oh, but that you're just trying to

938
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: on the margins, improve the likelihood of the desired outcome.

939
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: Think about it. This is this is to me, This

940
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: is like crystallize, is it right? If there's seventy plays

941
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: in a football game, if you are getting ten percent better,

942
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: those are seven plays? Now, how many games have come

943
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: down to seven plays all of them? Right? So the

944
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: reality is is that's ten percent? Right? Hello, that's pretty good. Yeah.

945
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: So just that I hate on the rock that you

946
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: can imagine. I sit there and sometimes like wearing these

947
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: big like we're wearing you know, microphone right now and

948
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: earphones right now. I sit there and I have to

949
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: cover mys like no, like rock back and forth. The

950
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: analytics say to go from Like what analytics are you using?

951
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what it said, like their book

952
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: says to go and I don't know if the right

953
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: tackles beaten up. I don't know if their quarterbacks sacked

954
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: six times, and he's like seeing stars, Like what, No,

955
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what it says, right, don't don't tell

956
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: me what it says. I don't know. It drives me crazy.

957
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: As somebody who lives in this world, I find one

958
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: of the biggest challenges is outcome bias. Oh, of course,

959
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: people don't understand that you can have the right process

960
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: and not get the right outcome. I even imagine a

961
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: lot of people listening have gone to Vegas and they

962
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: go and they play black check and they've got eleven

963
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: the dealers showing a six. You double down because the

964
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: odds are in your favor, and that's how you have

965
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: a little bit of an advantge of house. You're not

966
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: always going to win that double down, and it can

967
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: be very frustrating. We don't, but it was still the

968
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: right decision. You know, in multiple remember you took like

969
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: the sat oh sure, and you know how they told you,

970
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: like you should guess if you can narrow it down

971
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: to like there's five choices, so you've got if you're guessing,

972
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: you have a twenty percent chance of getting it right

973
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: if you can narrow down two of those, you've increased

974
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: your chances of being right to thirty three percent. Right,

975
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: you now still have to pick the right one to

976
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: get the hundred, but you've increased the chances that you're

977
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: going to pick the right one. Like that's all it is. Yeah,

978
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: people get people get real, like they get mad at me,

979
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: Like some of the old get off my long coaches

980
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: will get really mad at me because you said and

981
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: then we and we won the game. I'm like, yeah,

982
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: I know. I was like, but you were not the

983
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: favorite in that game, because right, life and football games

984
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: are not the simulations where there's an infinite number of

985
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: simulations where if you increase your odds it's going to

986
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: bear out to that over time. But it's one. It's one. Also,

987
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: like it's like, oh, I said, you're going to win

988
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: in fifty eight percent of outcomes, not even that's still

989
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: forty two percent times you're gonna lose for two out

990
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: of one hundred. That's still a decent number. Yeah, that's

991
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: I think. Do you do you find is you meant

992
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: get off my lawn? That that is kind of one

993
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: of the real challenges in because every business does it.

994
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: Every every business does it. If you're not, then then

995
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: you're struggling and you're missing out on better profits, better margins,

996
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: the etc. When you is that one of the challenges

997
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: just getting people to understand what we're actually talking about.

998
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: You're not saying because we put this work and we

999
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 1: put this process and it's automatic. But what we're saying

1000
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: is over a billion simulations, you would have a better

1001
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: outcome more often than you would without making this decision.

1002
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: I think it's more like how organized. Like I think

1003
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: we all agree, like if you're more organized and you like,

1004
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: like you can be the best football mine in the world,

1005
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: but if you're a scatterbrain, you can't use that information.

1006
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: You have to able to be actionable with your insights.

1007
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: I used to be a banker, so it actually doesn't

1008
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: make me so crazy when they don't listen because I'm like,

1009
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: great that, I'll just go over here. You reveal yourself

1010
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: to me, which is great. I like knowing that now

1011
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: you know who it can be right, you know, like

1012
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: like that maybe I've just been to like a lot

1013
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: of therapy, like Namasta just like let it go. But

1014
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: like you know, like I think all people need a

1015
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: lot of therapy. Let's be clear we all do, but

1016
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: no doubt what are we doing watching people run at

1017
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: each other full speed like we're all a little crazy?

1018
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: But no, but uh, I like I think it's I

1019
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: think it's like having patience is like if you love

1020
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: something that you're doing, like I don't get too worked

1021
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: up over it anymore because now I'm just kind of

1022
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: like okay, like yeah, like if you don't want to

1023
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: get a little better, if you want to be disorganized,

1024
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: if you don't want to use this information, I will

1025
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: use it. I will and then I will buy Apple

1026
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: like twenty years ago, and you can buy whatever's not

1027
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, Like you can buy

1028
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: GM stock and know but no, no, I'm a GM baby,

1029
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: so I can say that my dad. All right, let's

1030
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: talk about trends that you are seeing in the league.

1031
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: And I want to throw one thing out at you

1032
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: and get your reaction to it. So you look at

1033
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: the last I think it's the last eight Super Bowl champions. Yep.

1034
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: I think six or seven of them are top five

1035
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: in the league in scoring offense. Most of them are

1036
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: in the top three, and then there was a one

1037
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: outlier that was eighth, but all of them are in

1038
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: the top quartile of the league in scoring. Are we

1039
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: focusing on too many things? Or do you need to

1040
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: be an elite scoring team to win in the NFL today? Well,

1041
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things. In play number one, the

1042
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: rules have changed such that you have an advantage if

1043
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: your offense is good, and that's part of it's part

1044
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: of how we have evolved this game. That's not the

1045
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: same as it was. Like we talk about this all

1046
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: the time. It's like a couple of people keep asking me,

1047
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: like is Bryce young two start small to start up quarterback?

1048
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: Like if you were to have him put him on

1049
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: a nineteen ninety two team, he would be But this

1050
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 1: is how the league's evolved because that's how college evolved.

1051
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: So that's the other thing that's happening. College has evolved

1052
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: so that the rules favorite offense. NFL has evolved so

1053
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: that we have more it's for safety. And by the way,

1054
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: they're great changes. I'm all into like everything that's been happening,

1055
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: but it's the evolution of the game. So the thing

1056
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: that you have to realize is it also does make

1057
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: like your corners more valuable and you're stopping of people

1058
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: scoring more of valuable. So I know, but the reality is,

1059
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: and if you all look at some of the top

1060
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: scoring offenses, like some of them had to, like well, one,

1061
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: the Eagles played a more favorable schedule. The NFC's NFC

1062
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: is much easier conference than the AFC. Number one, and

1063
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: then number two, the Chiefs had to because look at

1064
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: who they played. So it's it's sure but good, good

1065
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: teams tend to score anyways. But and also it's just

1066
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: and skill players have evolved in certain ways where we

1067
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: have advantages and passing right now because we're passing more

1068
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: than ever and quicker scores happen. So you have those

1069
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: seventy plays in a game and you're passing more often,

1070
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: maybe you even have eighty plays now, right, So it's

1071
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: just kind of the evolution of what we've seen. So

1072
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: coming out of college there's more focus on passing. Passing

1073
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: tends to score fast, and then you have a longer

1074
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: game from an actual standpoint, right because that you're not running,

1075
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: which takes more time off the clock, makes this game shorter. Absolutely,

1076
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: it's all kind of all kind of convert is right.

1077
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: But that actually means that like if you were to

1078
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: be able to like get Nick Chubber just like run

1079
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: every single down. You wouldn't need to be the top

1080
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: scoring offense and you could still win games. Like it's right.

1081
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of like what we have more passing,

1082
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: so of course that it's going to be up more.

1083
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: You would more. I think you have more margin for

1084
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: air if you're a team that can pass, because then

1085
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: you can win from a variety of paths. You don't

1086
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: need to be in control ahead and to run. So

1087
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. You're Cynthia, you are the

1088
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: GM great. What in your mind if you go three

1089
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: or you can go five? Up to you the most

1090
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: important positions? Take quarterback out, take quarterback out of it?

1091
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: The next three most important positions in your mind from

1092
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: your data and just from everything you know about the game.

1093
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: Pass rusher okay, left tackle okay? And bring back Joe

1094
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: Thomas Okay, yeah, no, I love Joe's like what a

1095
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: human mind. I was like crying when he was the

1096
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: happiest person of the Super Bowl ever to be as

1097
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: he should with his yellow jacket. I'm like, hold on

1098
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: really quick. So I asked him, are you going to

1099
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: use your playing face for your bust? Or you're gonna

1100
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: use your face now because you know he's lost some weight,

1101
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: so it's we're well aware of very very very interesting.

1102
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: He's going old school, he got. I loved it. I

1103
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: loved it. So anyways, um, and then I would say

1104
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: I would probably say wide receiver, and then after that corner,

1105
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: but the corner and wide receiver, Like this is the

1106
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 1: year I think where we start to see like, if

1107
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: you have a really good corner, you're starting to see

1108
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: it pay dividends. Like look at the Jets. They didn't

1109
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: have a great team top to bottom, so you get

1110
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: you put sauce in there. And also you know, did

1111
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: you reads great too? Right? That was a great free agent,

1112
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: That was a great and they had a huge advantage

1113
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,479
Speaker 1: because of those two things together. So corner, we didn't

1114
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: have great corners coming out of the past. Huge We

1115
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: had a few, but not the depth of it. And

1116
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: we had a lot of depth at receiver. So now

1117
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: we'll start to see these things even back out because

1118
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: I think the corners are starting to become the defensive

1119
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: backs coming out of college are starting to sort of

1120
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: catch up. It's gonna be fun, gonna be fun to see. Listen,

1121
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: you we got we've got the edge rusher we've got

1122
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: the corners, we've got a mile scars like my favorite

1123
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: Like he's like, he's a different kind of guy. I

1124
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: don't actually think we're the same species him exactly. Like

1125
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm like a little too little for that is ginormous,

1126
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: ginormous human being. Anyways, he's great, tremendous, You're great. Thank

1127
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: you so much for having me. Yeah, we'll do it

1128
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: again in the future. Perfect, all right, all right, good stuff.

1129
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: There was Ze and Cynthia Freelanch. He's always great. We

1130
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: have her on a couple of times a year. Always

1131
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: does a great job, shed some light on some things,

1132
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: views things in a different way, and is always such

1133
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: such a good person to run into at the combine.

1134
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: Coming up next, we play a little thing or not

1135
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: a thing. We'll hit back into the pardon my take.

1136
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: Quotes from Coach a little bit later as well. You

1137
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,560
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1147
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: a little thing or not a thing? He give a

1148
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: Steve Palazzolo one minute ago. Okay, pro Football Focus, how

1149
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: about an AFC East featuring Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady,

1150
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: and Mac Jones. So is this off the Zolak comments

1151
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: in Boston today? Yes, all right. So, by the way,

1152
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: Zolac earlier day, Brady may go to Miami, I think

1153
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: that's one in play. So that's that's coming. On the

1154
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: heels of Eisen's comments on Monday, Brady rebuffed it yesterday, saying,

1155
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: anyone who's ever had a cat, we said he should

1156
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: have been a dog guy. We understand that. Um By

1157
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: the way, I was thinking about how formidable cats are

1158
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: and how terrifying they are. Awful, Well, they're awful for starters.

1159
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm allergic. So my bias starts there and then it

1160
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: just continues with just I just think they're incredibly untrustworthy. U.

1161
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: My brother had a cat who wont this is I

1162
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: watched this happen. The cat hit a bat out of

1163
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: the air with its paw and then ate it. Like

1164
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: that's how formidable a cat can be. Yeah, Like Buddy

1165
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: Garrity would just lay on the ground and not move

1166
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: bats flying around. Yeah, that's the differ. I don't need

1167
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: to deal with that. Yeah, I don't want to deal

1168
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm not dealing with that now. The only problem with

1169
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: Buddy Garritty is Buddy Garritty. He's going to get into

1170
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: chasing the squirrels here at some point. He's got it's coming.

1171
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: We had to throw up last night in the which

1172
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: is a rare rarity for him, but it wasn't food

1173
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: throw up. It was kind of bile ish. So that

1174
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: green is he eating a lot of grass? I mean,

1175
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: that's my guess is whatever, he's eating a lot of grass.

1176
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: He's got a he's got a stomach ache. Yeah, so

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01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: that's it. My dog, inevitably, if she's gotten into something

1178
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: she shouldn't have, I'll take her outside. She's eating as

1179
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: much grass like like a cow. Yeah, you're like, yeah,

1180
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: this isn't good. I'm gonna leave it out here for

1181
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: a little bit longer. Sure enough, she throws it up.

1182
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: That's what happens. Yeah, so that's what got him last night.

1183
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's not carpet or oh no, he's he's tired. Okay,

1184
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: it was. It was in his thing. The Yeah, I

1185
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: was in there, so he's it's fine, easy clean up,

1186
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: wipe it up. You're safe. Bal um. But no, that feels.

1187
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: Look there's enough smoke around it. You know, there's definitely

1188
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: enough smoke. Come on, man, are you gonna stop like

1189
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna walk, You're gonna come back again. You're ruining

1190
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: You're ruining your you're tarnishing your legacy by returning and

1191
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: continuing to return. I'll just push back on that a

1192
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: little bit. Well, the only thing I'll push back on

1193
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: is like Michael Jordan is still revered. Nobody's like, oh yeah,

1194
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: he was just average with the Wizards. My guess is

1195
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: most people don't even remember he played for the Wizards.

1196
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking up the numbers. I think he did it twice.

1197
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: I think he played two seasons with the Wizards. They

1198
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs either time. I mean the average

1199
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: year his final season he played every game eighty two games,

1200
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: twenty points, six point one rebounds, three point eight assists,

1201
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 1: one and a half steals. Yeah, two thousand and one,

1202
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: sixty games, twenty two point nine points, five point seven rebounds,

1203
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: five point two assists, one point four steals. He's great.

1204
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: They weren't because it was him in a bunch of stiffs,

1205
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, they were good. Here's here's the number. Here's

1206
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: the number that stands out from those two teams. I

1207
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: guess the stats three point percentage from Michael Jordan in

1208
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. There was a year he average

1209
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: twenty two point nine points in place? Can I interest

1210
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: you in eighteen point nine? Just different? Just didn't shoot him? Then? No? Yeah,

1211
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: I guess the point is like people, I mean, how

1212
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: many people would even remember that he played there? Yeah,

1213
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: like in the moment, we do. But then I think

1214
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: most people when they think it's Ordon, I mean, my

1215
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: kids just think of the shoes. But I think most

1216
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: people when they remember him, it's the Utah shot. I mean,

1217
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: that's that's it in terms of like there's an unfortunately,

1218
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: I just mean, like the last image of him, I

1219
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: think most people envisioned that shot in Utah. They don't

1220
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: think about that. He played for the Wizards. You know

1221
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: how many people remember Magic Johnson played like in the

1222
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: mid nineties awkwardly for the Lakers. Yeah, I mean, like

1223
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: I want to say it was like ninety five ninety six.

1224
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: They had like Nick Van excellent those guys, and he

1225
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: was a he had already been like a coach. That

1226
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,959
Speaker 1: didn't work. So he came back and tried to play,

1227
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: or maybe he did, maybe it was inverted, but either way,

1228
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: he played like the end of a season for the

1229
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: Lakers in like the mid nineties. And what that did

1230
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: is that kept him from going into the Hall of

1231
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: Fame with Bird in the same year. They would have

1232
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: gone in at the same time. Um, but he came

1233
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: back and played. I don't know how many people remember

1234
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: that until you mentioned that, not me. He's a big deal.

1235
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah when it happened. But so he was done. Last

1236
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: year was ninety one, ninety two or ninety ones is

1237
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: last year and that birds last year, right then they

1238
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: both played in the Olympics and Dream Team in ninety two,

1239
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: and then he came back. I want to say it

1240
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: was either ninety five or ninety six. Maybe that wasn't bird.

1241
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: Larry's last game was against the Calves in the playoffs?

1242
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: Was it? M M? But you just don't remember that. Yeah, yeah,

1243
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: well so they were they were set to go into

1244
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: the Hall at the same time. Magic last full year

1245
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: was ninety ninety one. Um, that was when they lost

1246
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: to the Bulls. And then so he set out four

1247
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,959
Speaker 1: full seasons. Yeah, and then he came back in ninety

1248
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: five ninety six at age thirty six with the Lakers.

1249
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: Uh and and came back. And what did he ended

1250
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: up doing? He averaged fourteen fourteen point six points, seven assists,

1251
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: six boards in thirty two games. Not too shabby, No,

1252
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: or four years out. Yeah. By the way, I'm I'm

1253
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: assuming you've seen the trailer for it, but the movie

1254
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: Air that's getting ready to come out. Yeah, yeah, the

1255
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: Jordan one recruited Night getting him. Yeah, it looks fantastic.

1256
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: Every time I see a trailer, I'm like, yeah, I mean,

1257
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm all in on this. Yeah. I think that Affleck

1258
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: directed it, didn't he Yeah, he probably shouldn't have played

1259
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: Phil Knight. They should have got somebody else to play

1260
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: Phil Knight. But I think Damon's gonna crush the son

1261
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: of the Carrol part. I don't even know if kids

1262
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: are where his Sonny the Carol is. But he basically

1263
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: launched the Nike basketball line and then he launched the

1264
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: Adita's basketball line both and it is one of the

1265
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: most important figures in college basketball recruiting, all of it

1266
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: and all of it. Yeah, like the whole thing. I

1267
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, Tom Brady enjoy retirement. Where would you

1268
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: have this back? Where would you have this if he plays?

1269
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: Would the Bills still be your pick? Bills still one?

1270
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: Brady and the Brady on the Dolphins better than Rogers

1271
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: on the Jets. I think so, I better. I think

1272
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: I might have Miami ahead of Buffalo. I wouldn't be

1273
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: afraid to based on you know, Buffalo's got a lot

1274
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: of questions as ready to roll like Waddle and Hill. Yeah,

1275
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: I go, Brady, you still have two of Yeah. Yeah,

1276
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: that's a pretty enviable spot dead last Mac Jones. Yes,

1277
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: despite what his teammates say, Hey, he's a good guy.

1278
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: Are we sure about that? Not sure? Yeah, we played

1279
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: that clip I think right before the combine. That's right.

1280
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: We sure, mccordy, we're sure about that. That's right. How

1281
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: about a little thing or not? A thing. Let's do it.

1282
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: I've got I've got a couple little articles here. Okay,

1283
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: So Cody Benjamin and CBS Sports the twenty twenty three

1284
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: NFL trades that should happen. Okay, Well, the first one

1285
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: is Rogers to the Jets. Okay, now here's the here's

1286
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: the problem with the compensation on this, and we'll get

1287
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: to the other ones. Actually discuss thing or not a thing.

1288
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: He's like, Packers get a twenty twenty three second rounder

1289
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: and a twenty twenty four conditional first rounder. That's all

1290
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna take to get Aaron Rodgers to the Jets, Like,

1291
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that feels like theft. I think so, unless

1292
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: they're unless they're gonna pick up most of the salary,

1293
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: unless Rogers is playing hardball with them and saying the

1294
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: only thing I will the only place that goes to

1295
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: the Jets, and I don't want them giving up this

1296
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: otherwise I'll retire. This is the only way to get

1297
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: anything for me. Yeah, I don't. Obviously it's a thing

1298
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: going to the Jets. Yeah. Kirk Cousins to the forty

1299
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: nine Ers for a twenty twenty three third in the

1300
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four second again, he's spitball, he's throwing stuff up.

1301
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: They're not a thing. This is not a thing because

1302
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: they've already had this in Garoppolo. Cousins is basically just Garoppolo,

1303
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: except he stays healthy, and they've had a healthy Garoppolo.

1304
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: It can get you to the precipice, but it can't

1305
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: get you over the edge. So no, I think not

1306
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: a thing. Cousins to the nine Ers. I don't think

1307
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: that would change them. It wouldn't change the way I

1308
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: view them at all. No, I think sometimes Cousins. People

1309
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: who play a lot of fantasy football love Cousins because

1310
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: statistically he's great, But if you think about moments and

1311
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: you think about winning the games that matter the most,

1312
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: his best win, he's got to win down in New Orleans.

1313
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: That's really in the playoffs. That's his best win. It's

1314
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: a good win, but it's yeah, yeah, at the end

1315
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: of the day, he's gotten you as far as he's

1316
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna get you. Yeah. Derrick Henry to the Dolphins for

1317
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: a third round pick thing or not a thing with

1318
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: Tom Brady thing, No, I mean this is this Tom

1319
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: Brady goes absolutely this would be the type of thing

1320
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: that they are a team that would you know, Z

1321
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: mentioned the bills for Travis, for Derrick Henry and I

1322
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: only pushback was there, which is he doesn't catch the

1323
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: ball into the backfield much. But you don't have to

1324
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: in Miami. You know, in Miami you could be you

1325
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 1: could split carries. It's a great place to live. No taxes,

1326
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: no state tax rather and all of that weapon on

1327
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: the perimeter. I mean it feels like it'd be that

1328
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: would be a thing to me. I think he could

1329
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: do some good there. Absolutely, this is a good one here,

1330
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin. It's not good for us. Chris Godwin to

1331
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: the Ravens for a twenty twenty three third rounder and

1332
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty four conditional fifth rounder. How about Chris

1333
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: Godwin to the Browns for a twenty twenty three third

1334
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: rounder and a twenty twenty four conditional fifth rounder. If

1335
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: that were on the table, can we get that? Time

1336
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: would be interested in. Yeah, he is coming he's coming

1337
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: off a serious injury. Still a thousand yard receivers though

1338
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: he's just twenty seven years of age. Boy, If that's

1339
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: the ask, I'd love that. I would not want it there, No, no, Actually,

1340
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: what I would like if it's not to the Browns.

1341
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to see that Evens replaced with Bears. There

1342
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: you go, extra draft capital if you move back, absolutely

1343
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: go get fields some weapons to see what the guy

1344
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: can do. Uh. DeAndre Hopkins, who, by the ways, on

1345
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 1: MacAfee today, that'll be interesting to monitor boy, that should

1346
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: be interesting in deep. DeAndre Hopkins to the Bears. Hopkins

1347
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: and a fifth rounder for a second rounder and a

1348
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: fifth rounder. I mean, I to me, this is not

1349
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I would say this is not a

1350
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: thing because I don't think this doesn't seem like a

1351
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: fit in any way. Nope, both for him or them. Um,

1352
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 1: I think if I'm them, I want to build younger

1353
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 1: guys around him. Like you mentioned Godwin. He's Godwin's younger

1354
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: than Hopkins, right, Hopkins gotta be approaching thirty or better. Um,

1355
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is thirty. Yeah, so I would I would

1356
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: want to go younger more than anything else. Um, Hopkins

1357
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: to me feels like, you know, he's a place that's

1358
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: a win now place like he's not gonna be happy there.

1359
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: So to me, that feels like not a thing. DeAndre

1360
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,759
Speaker 1: Hopkins in twenty twenty two, sixty four catches seven hundred

1361
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: and seventeen yards, three touchdowns. He did miss the first

1362
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: six suspended. Yeah, so I don't know how many games

1363
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: he played in. Where is that? Why is that not

1364
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 1: on this list? Yeah, he was suspended for a while, correct,

1365
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: But I feel like he missed another game in there

1366
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: as well. Why is it so difficult? Nine games? Just

1367
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: over half thing or not a thing? Brandon Cooks to

1368
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: the Cowboys for a twenty twenty three conditional fourth round pick.

1369
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: Here's another one. Can we do this? I'll do this.

1370
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: Let's do this deal conditional fourth Brandon? Could? I need

1371
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: to know what Brandon Cooks has done recently? He can

1372
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: run in a straight line fast? Okay? Seven yards, three touchdowns?

1373
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: What's the yards per catch on that? Who is he?

1374
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: Twelve point three? Okay? Yeah? Bring him? Bring him on up?

1375
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: Year before ninety catches for a thousand yards, six touchdowns,

1376
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: eleven and a half yards per reception? Once? What did

1377
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: he have the last year he played? Like? Didn't Dashawan

1378
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: play with him two years ago? Uh? Yeah? In twenty

1379
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: twenty all right, here's his numbers with Watson eighty one

1380
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: for eleven fifty fourteen yards a catch, six touchdowns, sold, rounder. Yeah,

1381
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: I'll give you a seventh too, so I don't have

1382
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: to work as much on day three of the draft.

1383
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: Would you like a sixth tow you're thinking now, you're

1384
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: thinking exactly. Yeah. I don't care about picks. I'm over

1385
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: the picks. Get me guys. We need guys, need guys. Now.

1386
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: This is one that I scratched my head on and

1387
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why it would even be done. Thing

1388
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: or not a thing. Darren Waller to the Giants from

1389
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and the Raiders get a third round pick.

1390
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: I think Darren Waller is worth a little more than that.

1391
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: But what's his age? He's got He's got some off

1392
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: field stuff too, didn't he did? He just married Kelsey

1393
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: Plum Yes, w NBA point yeah yeah, yeah, really good player.

1394
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: I think he just married her. He's thirty. Yeah, so

1395
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: it's getting there. I mean, if I'm the if I'm

1396
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: the Raiders, you're in punt on everything mode. For the Giants,

1397
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: they got to get pass catchers. That feels like a

1398
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,640
Speaker 1: thing to me. If they could pull that off. Uh,

1399
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: figured out a thing. The New Orleans Saints trade Cameron

1400
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: Jordan to the Denver Broncos for a third and a

1401
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: fifth m. I mean, he's a nice player, but I

1402
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: don't that doesn't shift the balance of power. But the

1403
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,839
Speaker 1: last one is one that I can absolutely see happening.

1404
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: Like that feels like a lock stock and two smoking

1405
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: barrel thing. It feels right up there. Well, and I

1406
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: think there's a lot. I think there's a little more

1407
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,879
Speaker 1: smoke there than people want to let on. Jalen Ramsey

1408
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: to the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, for a twenty twenty three

1409
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: first that is pick number thirty and a twenty twenty

1410
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 1: four conditional fourth rounder. A huge thing. This feels like

1411
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: a ton of money. If you told me tomorrow this

1412
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: deal happened, I'd say, yeah, makes sense. The team they

1413
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: do this, they have a history of this. He'd play

1414
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: well there. That feels like a absolutely believable thing. Yeah

1415
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. All right. From ESPN dot com ranking

1416
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: the NFL team best fits for Lamar Jackson. All right,

1417
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: thing and thing or not a thing? Number sixteen they

1418
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: list to Green Bay Packers. This is Bill Barnwell. Yeah, no,

1419
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: not not a thing, not a thing, agreed, No, no, no,

1420
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna I think the one to do here,

1421
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: GiB A, how far do you have to go down

1422
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: where you say fit, Well, I could, I could go

1423
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: fit at fifteen. Who is that forty nine Ers? Yeah,

1424
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't think that would be a bad fit. Minnesota

1425
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: number fourteen, I don't think so. No, No, Tennessee, I

1426
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: mean no, so Niners. The Niners aren't gonna pay him though,

1427
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: that money that he wants. I mean, this is it's

1428
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: more complicated than that. One other thing to remember, too,

1429
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: Like in terms of these teams saying we're out on this,

1430
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: remember that just a year ago, um, the Falcons being

1431
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: in on Deshaun Watson forts them to have to trade

1432
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. So that's the other thing you got to

1433
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: be careful with here a little bit. Well, what do

1434
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: you have from a first round standpoint, It's gonna cost

1435
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: you two first round picks. So that he has the

1436
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: Colts too high on this, He's got the Jets too

1437
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: high on this, the Patriots at fourteen. Yeah, that's so

1438
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: in terms of the teams, that to me would make sense.

1439
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: Or he's got the Alkins won, that would make all

1440
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: the sense of the world. He's got Carolina two, that

1441
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: makes all the sense of the world. Vegas is five.

1442
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: That wouldn't be a thing that makes sense? Um, Miami

1443
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: at seven, Tampa Bay? Does it make sense they're in

1444
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: capell Bears, don't make any sense? Houston. No, Houston's gonna

1445
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: go draft a quarterback. Titans at ten, No, Commies at eleven,

1446
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: Yes it should. They are not interested allegedly allegedly Patriots, Lions,

1447
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: No Vikings, No, who'd you have a fifteen? Maybe Green Bay? No? Yeah,

1448
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be interested to see what happens Monday on him.

1449
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: Are we really all going to sit it out? Why

1450
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: do I feel like that's going to be the only

1451
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: story coming on Monday? Because it is all is quiet

1452
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: on the Western front here, well with Rogers it is.

1453
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,799
Speaker 1: I mean that was yesterday and we haven't heard anything,

1454
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, since, So it does feel like that's the

1455
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: only landing spot for him is New York. It doesn't

1456
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: feel like anyone else is in the mix on that.

1457
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see how it all shakes out,

1458
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: all right, Good John at you? Coming up next? More

1459
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: from coach Stefanski his interview on Pardon My Take Because

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01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,120
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Speaker 1: talked about in the first hour of the program, Kevin

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01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,480
Speaker 1: Stefanski was on Barstool Sports part in My Take podcast.

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Speaker 1: We played a couple of clips earlier. I'm gonna play

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Speaker 1: a couple more. Now, let's start with coach on games

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01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: and play calling. I have two games for you that

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01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: I want to know what your instant reaction was after.

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: We'll do good and bad. Good the case Keendom throw

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01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: against the Saints the Minneapolis Mirror. Yeah, how long until

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01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, that actually just happens. So I'm up

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01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: in the coach's booth. Pat Schurmer's the offensive coordinator. I'm

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01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 1: a quarterback coach. I'm up there, and my immediate reaction

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01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: was like, did he step out of bounds? Because you're

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01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: not watching the TV copy, You're you're watching the field,

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01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 1: and I got people jumping on me, you know, headlocking me,

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01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 1: jumping around and the whole time did he step out?

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01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: Did he step out? And then obviously you see that

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01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:30,759
Speaker 1: everybody's celebrating. That was totally surreal. Yeah, and you don't expect.

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01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: When you're all the way back there where we were,

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01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, all right, let's just get and

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01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: ranged to throw a hail Mary, Like, okay, if we

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01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: complete this one to Digsie, we'll get out of bounds,

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01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: we'll launch one into the end zone and then sure

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01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: enough he just the Unfortunately the kid made a tough

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01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: playing the boundary and Diggy went right down the sideline. Yeah,

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01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: that was insane. And then the bad the Jets game

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01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: this year after that was a percentage Yeah, a nine

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01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 1: I think it was. Actually they went final. Um, so

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01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: so we like are you just if I, if I

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01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: were in your shoes, I'd just be sitting in the

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01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: locker room, like knowing I have to speak to the

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01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: team and just being like, wait, what just happened? Like

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01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: that was the stomach punch and yeah, same thing. I

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01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: remember getting back to my office and before I talked

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01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: to the team, like, you know what hurts the most

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01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: about those moments is it's hard to win in the

1499
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL, it's hard. And when you have it

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01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: and you can feel like you can just touch it,

1501
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: and then you're like, I know that's going to come

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01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: back at the end of the season. That was Week two.

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01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and you're like, man, I know at

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01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: the end of the year, we're gonna want that one back,

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01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: But you got to go talk to the team. And

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01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: I think for me, I'm so aware of the team

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01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: is looking at me. How I respond. Now, what I'm

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01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 1: proud of the team is we came back on Thursday

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01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: night and won against Pittsburgh, so they did rebound. But

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01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: those things they stay with like that will never leave me. Yeah,

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01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: Like there were about ten things that happened after Nick

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01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: Chubb scored and a few things before Nick Chubb scored.

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01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: That that will never leave That's I mean, it's it

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01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: shows how mature and obviously being like a head coach

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01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: is about being in those moments everyone looking at you,

1516
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: because I think if I were in your shoes, I

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01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: would have just walked out, found the guy who didn't

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01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: recover the on side, like grab them and be like

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01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: why and they just start crying and go into a puddle. Yeah,

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01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: there is a part of me that wanted to do that,

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01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: but I just I know even how you walk in

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01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: the building on Monday after your loss or a wine

1523
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: like everybody as a football coach, you get so many

1524
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: opportunities to stand in front of your team, and so

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01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: much of it is messaging and how you want the

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01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: guys to feel about a game, and even after a win,

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01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: like you gotta sometimes remind them, you know, that you

1528
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: haven't figured it all out. So I'm very aware of

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01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 1: my impact that I have. So after a bad loss

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01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: of that, are you when you address the team or

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01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,719
Speaker 1: are you doing it to let them see your emotion

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01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: or are you doing it to try to give them

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01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: something positive to build on? What's what goes? Because you

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01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 1: have to like have some sort of plan. You can't

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01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: just go up in front of them and be like

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01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: that sucked, I'm sorry, although I might try that, yeah, yeah,

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01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, everything I do, at least I just

1538
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: try to be authentic about it and that I've been

1539
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: around different coaches or whatever that maybe act you know,

1540
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: it's not real or and this is you know, over

1541
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 1: the course of time where you just want to be yourself,

1542
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: because I think players see right through that. So when

1543
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: when stuff it hurts, like you gotta let them see

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01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: that it hurts, and when you're excited, you let them

1545
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 1: see that. Now you know, in the moment in games,

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01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: I try to be very even keel, just because I

1547
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: feel like you're making decisions every thirty seconds, and when

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01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: I if I start to lose my mind, I don't

1549
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: feel like I can make those decisions for the team.

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01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: So I try to keep my emotions underraup. Yeah, is

1551
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: there an art to pressure, like pressuring the officials to

1552
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 1: get in their ear early about certain things? You know,

1553
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: which guys you can push, which ones you can pull on.

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01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 1: They have a tough job those officials. Um, good answer,

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01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: Thank you. I try to you said that. I try

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01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: to try to be respectful because I know they have

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01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: a job to do and then they are human. So

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01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: if there's a play that doesn't go your way, you

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01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: do want to let them know about that because there's

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01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: a chance you get I know, officials would tell you

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01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a makeup call, but they're human. Yea,

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01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: So if you let them know how upset you are,

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01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 1: there's a chance, if there's a fifty fifty ruling, maybe

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01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 1: it goes your way. Yeah. No, that's fair. Um, what's

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01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: the dumbest play you've ever created that either did or

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01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 1: didn't work? I mean, it happens every week where you

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01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: get on the board and you start putting stuff up

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01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: and you're like, this is that margin of smart to

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01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 1: dumb is so fine? And like, for instance, Andy Reid

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01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 1: first about Hall of Fame coach, Super Bowl winner, unbelievable,

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01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: like the stuff he does in the red zone that like,

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01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: I can't do that. You know, you have to win us.

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01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: You have to have a ring before you ran around Rosy. Yeah.

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01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: As fun as fun as that is for the players,

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01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,799
Speaker 1: for us when it comes to trick plays, that's always

1576
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: like that fine line, like if this doesn't work, I'm

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01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: gonna boo myself. Yeah. And there was a game this

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01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: year playing the Bengals on Sunday night or Monday night maybe, yeah,

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01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: I think you won. It was Halloween, Yeah, Monday Nights,

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01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: Monday Night, Halloween, And we had a pass that Amari

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01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: Cooper through and it was we hand the ball to

1582
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb. He pitched it to a Maria. Mari's rolling out.

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01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: We had a receiver running down the boundary. A Mari

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: their linebacker sniffed it out, is getting ready to hit

1585
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 1: to Mari. Mary's trying to throw it away and it

1586
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: goes directly to Von Bell like between the two and

1587
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: the four, like perfect interception right to him, and I'm

1588
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 1: like the boost. I wanted to boom myself. Yeah, but

1589
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: I probably should have known. We try to give those

1590
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: trick plays names and we called that Michael Myers. Oh,

1591
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: I like that. Maybe don't name plays after like serial killing.

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01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: That was. That was a lesson learning you do own

1593
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. Though we didn't beat them second time this year,

1594
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: not the second time, but but historically you've you've owned that.

1595
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: Is that just like a matchup thing where you guys

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01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 1: feel like you match up well against the Bengals. I

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01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: would tell you this, our division is very, very tough.

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01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you got and I think it's great players.

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01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: I think it's really good coaches, whether it's Cincinnati, you know,

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01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: going to the FC Championship game back to back years,

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01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: what Mike t does in Pittsburgh coach Harves. And that's

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01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: a tough division. So there's no tough there's no easy

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01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: game in our division. I think whoever comes out of

1604
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: the division, whether it's one or two, sometimes three, you

1605
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get a good team because your battle test. Yeah,

1606
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: he would not take the bait, no on that. We're

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01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: not gonna go down that road. Kids, gear out of

1608
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: those waters in a hurry. They did some rapid fire

1609
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: with coach Dfanski as well. Let's have a listen to that.

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01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: All right. So I want to do I want to

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01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: get a headline that we can all the Cleveland radio

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01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: stations can run uh with the Sean this year? And

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01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: you're running attack? Are you gonna let it fly or

1614
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 1: you can run the ball? Can we do both? No?

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01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: You got to pick one or the other. Yeah, I

1616
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: think offensive football, we want to do both. Grade I'll

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01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: let it fly and then run the ball, okay in

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01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: one game and then flip it. Then that's a little interesting.

1619
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: You're not gonna establish the run first. That's a fallacy.

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01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: You don't have to establish or run the throat. Okay,

1621
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: well what about this? How about if you let that

1622
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: thing fly and then you run the damn ball? How

1623
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: about if I put that on the call sheet? Okay?

1624
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: I like, what's your prediction? Everyone's giving us a prediction

1625
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: this year? Your prediction for the Browns? Everyone? Literally? Everyone? Um,

1626
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: can we go undefeated? Is that? Yeah? Yes, that's what

1627
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: you should aim. I mean you try to win every game?

1628
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, so why is it a fallacy? He'd run

1629
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: to think play action has been proven that you don't

1630
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 1: need to have a good run attack or be running

1631
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 1: the ball to get the linebackers decide you've been reading,

1632
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: but you can't break these from like our fandom in

1633
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: our brains, like you have to establish an you've been

1634
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: reading the nerd website. Yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot

1635
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,879
Speaker 1: of good data behind it. I mean for us, honestly

1636
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 1: going back to just our players, like we're fortunate to

1637
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: have Nick, we got David Njoku I think is as

1638
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 1: good at tight end as as there is in league.

1639
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: So to be able to be balanced, I think is

1640
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: ultimately the best thing you can be. And when it

1641
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: comes to offensive football. Okay, so what's more important? If

1642
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: you could pick one, you have to pick one, protect

1643
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback or heat up the quarterback. Oh, I'd probably

1644
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: heat up the quarterback. Yeah, that's that's the right where.

1645
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: It's the way you win super We have Miles Garrett.

1646
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: You know that's always gonna be a big part of

1647
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: what we do about Yeah, I was I was gonna

1648
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: kind of dovetail off that. How important would you say?

1649
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: This is set the tone? That's some coach speak right there. Yeah,

1650
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: setting the tone is always good. You get to set

1651
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: the tone on kickoff if you're you know, first play

1652
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: of the game is either kickoff, kickoff return, You get

1653
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: to set the tone. If you ever heard the tip

1654
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: of the spear, yea, yeah, I like that. If you

1655
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: had to pick between setting the edge and flying around

1656
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: out there on the defense, well I think you need

1657
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: to set the edge so that you can fly around

1658
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: out there. Okay, freeze up space? Yeah yeah, best fun.

1659
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 1: I think you have to set the tone so that

1660
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 1: you can fly around out there. That's good. Good for

1661
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: coach playing along man, that's good. Um. You know, we

1662
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: it's interesting with coach right because we interviewed him at

1663
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: the Combine three years ago and was great, and then

1664
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: it's COVID. So that set off just this different, different

1665
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: place we were where we weren't able to get to

1666
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: know him and see him away that we would have

1667
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: because that had we had that first off season where

1668
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: we were here every day and he was in the

1669
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: building every day and he would have sat he would

1670
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: have seen him a lot better. Um. You see some

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Speaker 1: of that humor in him. We just don't see it

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Speaker 1: that much because we don't see him as much, you know,

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01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 1: and everything kind of changed with COVID, like everything came back.

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01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: We're saw all the way back, you know, and you

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01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: can be a little looser in the offseason. In season,

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Speaker 1: I understand the mentality and what you have to do,

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Speaker 1: and I'd encourage fans to go check out all of it.

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Speaker 1: All that it's forty seven minutes, you know, we played

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01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: maybe ten minutes of it throughout today's show, But there's

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01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: a lot more. There's a lot of really good content

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01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 1: from it. The guys did a great job with him,

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01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: and he was, like you said, he was a good sport.

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01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: But yeah, we have a lot of AMMO to talk

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01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 1: to him about the next time we see him. That's

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Speaker 1: for sure. Established the run, let it fly like they

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01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: based all of the little things that they just do

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01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 1: a fantastic job with that. So much more to come.

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Speaker 1: You listen to Cleveland Browns Daily brought you by Baalley

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Speaker 1: Bed Coming soon to Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's Daily brought to you by Balley Bed Coming

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Speaker 1: soon to Ohio on eight fifty ESPN. Cleveland Back Tournament tomorrow. Potentially,

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Speaker 1: We're not with you tomorrow. Potentially if the Buckeyes take

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01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: care of business tonight. Buckeyes play Wisconsin tonight at six.

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01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: Can they turn it around? Can they make a run?

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01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Five game, five wins in five days, Now, that's a

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01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: lot to ask. Non im will get a couple. I

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Speaker 1: think my you know, guy, I think you guys are

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01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: working tomorrow. You guys will be working tomorrow. Don't you worry? Well, well,

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01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: your anti Buckeye is that I am anti Crystal. That

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01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 1: man has to go. Paulis nowhere. Like the voice of

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01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: God in my ear, I'm telling you it's bad. It's

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01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: bad news over there. Yeah, I'm pretty plugged into that

1703
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: situation about what's going on. I know I feel bad now.

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01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: It's all happened, now, don't It's it's fine. I mean,

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01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: they missed on some transfers. It's kind of that simple

1706
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: worry about it. Springall good. We got football. You're safe.

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01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 1: They can pull the upset tonight. Um, they can absolutely

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01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: beat with Wisconsin. They played good the last three times out,

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01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: gave Michigan State about all they could handle last weekend.

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01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they won one. I think

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01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 1: they gotta win one to make people feel okay about

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01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. By the way, he's not

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01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: going anywhere. He's got an eighteen million dollars buyout, so

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Speaker 1: he's he's got and he's got the number four class

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01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: in the country. Come wonderful, so they'll stay exactly where

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01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: it is. So that's the way that goes there. You

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01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: go go have a cocktail polish. That's where that all right? Um,

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01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: The next level I can tell you is coming up

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01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: next and we will maybe be back tomorrow, maybe not,

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01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: we'll see. Maybe you listen to Clevean brows Ali on

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01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 1: eight fifty esp in Cleveland. Have you've been listening to Cleveland?

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Speaker 1: B Stanley, a production of the Cleveland Brands at a

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland h