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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't stories of things we simply don't

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Speaker 1: know the answer too. Hello everybody, and welcome again to

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Speaker 1: another episode of Thinking Sideways, this podcast where I talk

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Speaker 1: in a weird monotone voice. Not really, Hey everybody, This

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Speaker 1: is Steve and as always I am joined by Devin

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Speaker 1: and Joe and once again we have another mystery to

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Speaker 1: bring to you. Yeah. Really, it's not all cats on

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Speaker 1: the internet. We know there's there's something else on the internet.

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Speaker 1: I'm only talking about the cats. Okay, Well, this week

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Speaker 1: we're we're going to talk about a man who is

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Speaker 1: revered as the father of the theory of natural selection,

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Speaker 1: which be Charles Darwin. And I know that you're asking yourself, well,

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Speaker 1: what's the mystery about Darwin? Well, it's it's a simple

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Speaker 1: and a complex one. Yeah, who is the detective on

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Speaker 1: So we're channeling him today, yes, were we right? No?

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Speaker 1: Not really? As I said, the mystery is Darwin's health,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately there's no treap of cover angle here for

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Speaker 1: most of Darwin's life. He was plagued with health problems

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Speaker 1: which medical science both then and now really can't figure out.

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Speaker 1: And in fairness, with the kind of testing we could

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Speaker 1: and but it's it's amazing. Until we tackled this, this mystery,

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Speaker 1: I was not aware that so many people have been

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Speaker 1: researching and hypothesizing about Darwin's condition. Darwin Darwin is a

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Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me, and I'm actually quite happy that there's

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Speaker 1: so much research out there. But let's let's get back

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Speaker 1: to Darwin here. I've got to briefly talk about Darwin. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we can't just dive into things. We've got to talk

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank Alyssa, who suggested this story

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Speaker 1: to us on Facebook quite a while back. And I

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Speaker 1: also want to send out a huge thank you to

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Speaker 1: all of our experts who helped with this story. It

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be nearly what it is without those folks. I

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Speaker 1: I probably would have given up on this like a

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Speaker 1: is pronunciations. So let's talk about Darwin. Most people know

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Speaker 1: the HMS Beagle, or or both of those things. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's typically people know one or two primarily, but it

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Speaker 1: can be both. Here absolutely right, there's so much more

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Speaker 1: He's really really interesting. I've been reading his Beagle diaries,

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Speaker 1: of research on Darwin and he's incredibly, incredibly an interest

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Speaker 1: extremely bad do. I'm not I'm not positive on that,

427
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: but it just from from the way that it was

428
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: described in the in the journals and stuff that I

429
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: read about it. It sounded to me like it was

430
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: so debilitating that you couldn't do anything. And I didn't

431
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: see a lot when or read a lot when Darwin

432
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: was on land and not saying in the Beagle. I

433
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: didn't see a whole lot where suddenly Darwin was on land.

434
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: It was always yeah, I'm so happy on land, not

435
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: yeah I'm so happy on land. I've been incapacitated for

436
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: two days because I've been so ill, just like I

437
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: was when I was on the ship. So that's that's

438
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 1: why I questioned it, because it's almost like a gap,

439
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, in in the illness. I don't know,

440
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: this is This is me shrugging my shoulders. I'm not sure. Yeah,

441
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: absolutely so, I don't let's throw that one out. Plenty

442
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: of other ones. Well, yeah, there there are anothers And

443
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll throw that out, but we will

444
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: go on to our next theory. The next theory says

445
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: that Charles Darwin had Crone's disease. Do either of you

446
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: know much about crones? Yeah, I knew somebody who had crowns.

447
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: I have some friends. It's not a it's it's a

448
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: really I feel feel for people who have crones, because

449
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: it's not a good thing. Yes, one woman that I

450
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: know had had to get an operation that took part

451
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: of a colon out. Yeah, that does happen. There's there's

452
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: a host of treatments for it today that for people

453
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: who had it before there weren't. Yeah, and unfortunately, I

454
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: think that it's not guaranteed that it's not going to

455
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: come back, even though they took out the unhealthy part

456
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: of a recovery colon. That's that's that's true. And let's

457
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: let's talk about crones because that will kind of help

458
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 1: explain some of why. If you don't know. Crone's is

459
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: an inflammatory bowel disease. It can affect the digestive system

460
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: anywhere from the beginning which would be the mouth, to

461
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: the end the anus, so the whole way through. We

462
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: don't know what causes crones exactly. There's thoughts that it

463
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: it could be an autoimmune disease, or maybe it's just

464
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: an immune system overreaction, could be a genetic defect, or

465
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: it could be caused by environmental factors like diet and

466
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: microbes that enter your system. I mean, I don't know.

467
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: There's probably not, but it could be Yeah, I mean

468
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: it's possible, it's it's something that we haven't figured out yet.

469
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, most of the people, I guess I've known

470
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: a couple of people with crones and uh, you know,

471
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: they've tried you know, varied diets or like moving other

472
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: places and things like that, and that very rarely helps them.

473
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: So the only thing that I've the people that I've known,

474
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: the only thing that helped them was either I think

475
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: it's every three months of steroid injection of some kind,

476
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: or I have a friend to uh he ingests hookworm

477
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: a certain dosage of it, which is then makes his

478
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: immune system so busy fighting hookworm that it doesn't go

479
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: crazy and as intestine. He's been doing it for years

480
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: and he's never been healthier short of always being on

481
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: the drugs. It's better than being on drugs. It's kind

482
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: of a natural way to go about him provides some

483
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: nice home for them hookworms. He's a hookworm preserve. I

484
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: don't know if people are as familiar with us um

485
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: with Crohn's disease. So like, the symptoms are well, the

486
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: symptoms are kind of varied and they come on and

487
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: there's a pretty big age age range. They can come

488
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: on anywhere between fifteen and thirty. So this potentially could

489
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: fall within the realm of Darwin because he was twenty

490
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: one when he first left with the Beagle. Yeah, and

491
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: it I mean, I think it can of back to

492
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: you even younger than that. Sometimes it can. Yeah, it's

493
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: it's entirely possible. There are you know, sadly, people who

494
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: begin to show signs of it for seven or eight

495
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: years old. But as you were asking devon the symptoms

496
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: they come and go, which you know that's referred to

497
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: as a flare up and they range from cramping and

498
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: bloating to gas or diarrhea or even bleeding of the intestines. Uh,

499
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: there's sadly and uh there's a possibility of intestinal blockage

500
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: or constipation and that can cause scarring of the intestines,

501
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: which can then a cause further damage and be cause

502
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: vomiting and nausea. And this is this is the insult

503
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: injury part of it for me, is we talked about

504
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: that it affects everything from beginning to end. The mouth.

505
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: The beginning you people who have crones can develop sores

506
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: and ulcers in their mouth, which by the way, Darwin

507
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: had he did he did. Indeed, other symptoms that people

508
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: can suffer would include fatigue, anemia, and pale complexion. But

509
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: let's let's go look at the corroborating symptoms that Darwin experience.

510
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: He had abdominal pain, had constant gas vomiting which specifically

511
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: was stomach fluids. It wasn't food fatigue, and of course

512
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: all that was coming and going over the course of

513
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: his life. And then he also had skin rashes and boils.

514
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of corroborating. Yeah, there were there

515
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: were some other symptoms that he had to Yeah, well,

516
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: you know the thing is is when I was doing

517
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: the research, there's a couple of medical papers which I've

518
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: used for part of this that talk about the fact

519
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: that they believed that Darwin had crones, but he had

520
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: it specifically in the upper small intestines, and that I

521
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: read that paper and it's interesting how they can tell

522
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: what part of your digestive system is as a problem. Yeah,

523
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: it is, Well, it's it's because of the difference in

524
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: the symptoms. When it's in the upper intestines, it's primarily

525
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: associated with some nausea and vomiting and pain in the

526
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: upper abdomen, which can become intense, and that again was

527
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: described by Darwin. He described the origin of the air

528
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: as somewhere lower down than the stomach, which would kind

529
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: of align with that location. The symptoms increased after he

530
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: eat a large meal, but weren't as bad after small meals. Yeah.

531
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: Soft foods like plain puddings also didn't bother him. Evidently,

532
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: his wife Emma Darwin. Her cookbooks were described as being

533
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: about one half puddings. What kind of puddings are we talking?

534
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: Are we talking like puddings as we Americans think of puddings?

535
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: Are we thinking of like bread puddings? Are we think

536
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: thinking like bread puddings? Stuff like that? I don't think

537
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: without a lot of protein or fats and more like

538
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: plain foods. I gotta be honest, I didn't I didn't

539
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: actually look up Emma Darwin's cookbook. I don't know exactly

540
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: what was in that. I just I'm bringing this up

541
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: because I have something I'm going to add in a second.

542
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: I just want to kind of like build my case.

543
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: All right, I got you. I wonder if you can

544
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: find your cookbook on the internet. Oh, maybe on Amazon.

545
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: Here's here's a couple more things about when crones affects

546
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: the upper intestines. People don't normally have diarrhea as as much,

547
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: say as people would have the effects in the lower

548
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: portions of their intentional system, and instead they tend to

549
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: be they tend to suffer more from constipation, and that's

550
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: something that later in life Darwin had he ordered animas

551
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: for that very reason. Of course, a lot of older

552
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: people tend to get out of constipation too. I don't

553
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: know why that, and that could just be a symptom

554
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: of age. You're absolutely right. Joe Darwin complained he had

555
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: a couple of other strange complaints that this research seemed

556
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: to point to us being symptoms of crowns. He complained

557
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: of pins and needles in his hands and fingers that

558
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: kept him from working. He also complained of numbness and

559
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: said his hands felt like they've been dipped in hell fire.

560
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: This research says that this may be due to damage

561
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: of sensitive nerve fibers. According to this researcher, that is

562
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: a very common thing with Crone's disease, and it's it's

563
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: attributed to a deficiency in vitamin B twelve and that

564
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: either whether that's through the lack of absorption or what

565
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: have you. They're saying that that causes damage to the

566
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: sensitive nerve fibers. Yeah. There, And there's a number of

567
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: other things that they brought up, you know, say sing

568
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: that the twitching and spasm ng that Darwin suffered was

569
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: due to hyperventilation, which would have been caused by his

570
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: incessant vomiting, which would then would mean he'd have CEO

571
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: two and hydrogen issues in his his respiratory system. I honestly,

572
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 1: I didn't dive a whole lot into that, but that's

573
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: what that pointed out as another sign that it had

574
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: to be Crones. But I can just can I just

575
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: read you a list of symptoms quick, yeah, okay, extreme fatigue,

576
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: pale skin, weakness, shortness of breath, chest pain, frequent infections, headaches,

577
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: dizziness or lightheadedness, cold hands or feet, inflammation or soreness

578
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: of your tongue, fast heartbeat, poor appetite, and uncomfortable tingling

579
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: or crawling feeling in your extremities. Is a fairly comprehensive

580
00:35:52,239 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: list of iron efficiency, iron deficiency, anemia. Yeah right, So

581
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: he could be because of Crone's disease, or he could

582
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: have been an emic his whole life, right, if he

583
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: had a poor appetite, and he said, oh, my temmy

584
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: hurts after I eat a lot of food because I

585
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: don't get enough iron. Well, then he's eating less suff

586
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: it becomes a vicious cycle, gets worse and worse and

587
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: worse as he goes on. I think you know that

588
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: list is pretty comprehensive, and you know all of these things.

589
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense to me. It could

590
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: be from a crone's disease kind of situation because his

591
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: body is not absorbing it. It could be because he

592
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: didn't get it. It's possible he like didn't get it

593
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: as a child out of his diet. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, No,

594
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's that's that's not uncommon, though I correct

595
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, Devon. Is it not typical that

596
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: the people who have iron deficiency more often than not,

597
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: it's more women than men. Not that I'm saying that

598
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: men don't have this. No, men get it. I mean,

599
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: but it's it's not as it's more frequent for women

600
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: because we bleed more often. I mean, I mean genuinely

601
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: because our body is to produce more blood. But I'm

602
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: getting that. That doesn't mean that Darwin couldn't have suffered

603
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: from it. I would play iron deficiencies way more common

604
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: than Crohn's disease, you know, So I don't know, But

605
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how like that seems like something that

606
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: should have been recognized at the time, you know, doesn't

607
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't It seem like the sort of thing, how

608
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: do you how do you test for an iron deficiency? Well,

609
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean they test your blood. I mean either they

610
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: look at your blood or they do an iron test.

611
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just I don't even know.

612
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: I haven't researched this, so I don't even know how

613
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: well understood blood was in those days, part of the

614
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: finteenth century. This is this is the joy of doing

615
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: your show where it's a conversation and suddenly one of

616
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: us pops the question and we're like, crap, why didn't

617
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: I look into that? Didn't I look that up? That

618
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: would have been really easy. Yeah, people know how to

619
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: use Google. But I think, you know, I don't know.

620
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: It seems like a pretty straightforward and that, you know,

621
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: it wold have intensified when he was on the ship

622
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: because he really wasn't eating well right, and then by

623
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: the time he got biscuits, stuff like, probably because he

624
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: was seasick, right, which whatever I mean, I think that

625
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: you can even say that it was as simple as

626
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: he got really seasick and he had this other thing

627
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: that was a pre existing condition, which you know, kind

628
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: of caused the snowball effect almost of he wasn't a

629
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: healthy man, he was deficient in something. He went on

630
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: a ship and got seasick, so he was even eating

631
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: more poorly and feeling sicker and so much stuff that

632
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: he really wasn't really wasn't getting anything anyways. You know,

633
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: it gets off, he's fine on land because he's just

634
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, he's not seasick anymore, and he's eating a

635
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: little better and he's feeling better and he's out in

636
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: the sun and you know, and then he gets back

637
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: on the ship and it's awful. And then by the

638
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: time he gets off the ship, he's become so deficient

639
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: that it just keeps getting worse and worse. I don't know, no,

640
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean that it could absolutely have caught and if

641
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: he was if he was a chronic complainer, you know,

642
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: and he was kind of one of those willful people

643
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: who was like, well I don't feel good, like I said,

644
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna eat putting all the time, not like

645
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: the steak that I should be eating, you know what

646
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Sorry not to like totally

647
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: steamroll your Crone's disease. That they could have been crones

648
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: because of you know, or it could have been iron

649
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: efficiency or anemia because of crone's. But yeah, no, no, absolutely,

650
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean these that's one of the things that I

651
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: found in doing this research. As you find a cause,

652
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: but then it it just it kind of spider webs

653
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: out from that central point. So that's very that's very apt,

654
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: and it could have been any of those. Let's move

655
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: on to our next theory. Okay, another theory. Well, the

656
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: next theory is that Darwin had mitochondrial issues. And we're

657
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: now going to get into some heavy science. Mitochondrial issues

658
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: and disorders are caused by dysfunctions in the mitochondria. And

659
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: you might be asking yourself right now, what is mitochondria.

660
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: They are specialized components known as organelles of the cells

661
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: that are present in all living things except bacteria. What

662
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: mitochondria basically do is they use the oxygen we breathe

663
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: in to get energy from the electrons found in our

664
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: food that we eat, So basically they're they're gently pulling

665
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: that energy away and that's what powers us. They're they're

666
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: kind of little fuel packets that we run on. Yeah,

667
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: and the vast majority of the energy that we have

668
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: is generated in that process. So they're they're really important

669
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: if your mitochondria don't function properly, or or if you

670
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: were to say, run out of oxygen, your your body

671
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: does have ways of compensating, and they're not the best

672
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: ways to make energy. I'm going to say it that way,

673
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: because that way of making energy is fermentation, which is

674
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: not a clean process. It's actually a really dirty way

675
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: of making energy. It's got a lot of toxic byproducts

676
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: with like carbon dioxides, acids, hydrogen gas. Lactic acid is

677
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: another thing, which, of course, when you get enough of

678
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: that in your body, that's kind of the the achy

679
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: muscle syndrome. You know, we've work too much, you got

680
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: built up of lactic acid. Well, your body has ways

681
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: to either mechanically or chemically get rid of it, but

682
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: if you have too much, it can cause a lot

683
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: of ill effects which are highly highly um they're highly

684
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: negative for you. Interestingly, you as a person. Yeah, each

685
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: of us as a person, not specifically this time. Every human,

686
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: every human gets all of their mitochondria from their mother.

687
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: And there's some other science that debates that, but we're

688
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: not going to go into that. But why I bring

689
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: that up is that Darwin's mother was ill, as we

690
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: had talked about in the beginning, and she potentially could

691
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 1: have had mitochondrial issues herself. Yeah, well he had kids, right, Well,

692
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: Darwin had brothers and sisters. He was one of six,

693
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: and his brothers and sisters all suffered similar issues as him,

694
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: to varying degrees. He had ten children, Darwin did. Yeah,

695
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: of the seven that lived past childhood, they were all fine.

696
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: But that's because if you think about the mitochondrial aspect

697
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: of it, if his mother had an issue, she would

698
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: have passed it on to her kids, who, as I said,

699
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: had issues. Good note, because they got there michondria from Emma.

700
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: So it could potentially be that. And it's amazing to me.

701
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about this, but Darwin died at

702
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: seventy three. We were just talking about his kids. All

703
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: of his kids lived to be in there, those the

704
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: ones that lived into adulthood seventies, eighties, nearly the nineties.

705
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: Like it was a really long lived family, which was

706
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: just kind of crazy to me. I never realized that before.

707
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: Well that's that's a long time to live at that. Well,

708
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: for for Charles himself, I would say yes, because again

709
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: he was born on eighteen o nine, but his children

710
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: were born in the eighteen forties four wards, so they

711
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: were dying in like the nineteen tens to nineteen thirties,

712
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: where medicines a little better than when their dad was

713
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: a young man. I'm just saying there's some factors that

714
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: it advances that would have helped them, but still they

715
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: were long lived people. Another thing though, that I want

716
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: to bring up, because we're still a mitochondria. As much

717
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: as I know everybody's like next theory, we're not done

718
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: with mitochondria because this one keeps going. There is mitochondrial

719
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: issue that is called melas syndrome, and that is mitochondrial

720
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: mitochondrial and suffer myopathy. Thank you, Joe. I totally said

721
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: that one like a hundred times, and it worked as

722
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: soon as he couldn't do it. That's a hard word,

723
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: if word, but basically, but basically that's a state where

724
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: a person doesn't use their their This this syndrome is

725
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: a state where people don't use their mitochondria as their

726
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: primary source of gaining energy. So that's again that's a

727
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: chronic issue where there that's an issue where they chronically

728
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: have build up of all of those bad things that

729
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: we talked about in their system, the lactic acid and

730
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: everything else. But it's a rare syndrome and it's extremely

731
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: hard to diagnose because it shares symptoms with I don't know,

732
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: like eight to ten other syndromes that are out there,

733
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: like crowns and chronic barfing syndrome, no, like other things

734
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: that are much more scientific than that. But it does

735
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: have a host of symptoms that are very similar to Darwin.

736
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: And again we're gonna go through this. The major ones

737
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: that are going to be migraines, vomiting, seizures, cognitive problems,

738
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: and neurological issues. The prognosis isn't good for people who

739
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: have this, and those some people who have this syndrome

740
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: can live to be fifty or sixty. Most people don't

741
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: make it that long. It would sound like if your

742
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: body has got to work that hard and it's still

743
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: getting bad, bad energy and lots of toxins down. Well, yeah,

744
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be something that's going to affect you

745
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 1: from the very beginning. So this kind of plays into well,

746
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: this could explain why Darwin was sick as a kid.

747
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: He wasn't a well child. But the thing that I

748
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: don't that makes me think it's not right is that

749
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: the people that have this, they start experiencing stroke like episodes.

750
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: And the latest of the latest that comes on is

751
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: about age forty. Yeah, go ahead, lost time, tachycardia, muscle spasms.

752
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: I mean, is it required that it's a stroke or

753
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: is it stroke like symptoms because those sounds stroke like

754
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: to me, it progressively causes brain damage. If he lost

755
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: time and had memory loss, he had brain damage. I mean,

756
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: even if it I mean, even if it is like

757
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: a dementia sort of situation, that's brain damage. So he

758
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: had neurological but he wasn't. He wasn't a tottering, confused

759
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: man at the end, which at seventy three, if he

760
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: had been experiencing these stroke like attacks, he would have

761
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: had extreme brain damage by that time, probably, yeah, which

762
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: means he would not have been nearly as sharp and

763
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: well together in my mind. Well, It's hard, don't These

764
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: things are always so hard because it's like, how firm

765
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: is that? You know? It's the like, well, people with

766
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: this type of cancer die within five years, but then

767
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: there's the one percent that lives for fifty more years.

768
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: You know. I think with these sort of things, it's rare, right,

769
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: and should we be saying, yeah, Darwin had this super

770
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: rare thing, and also he was the super rare person

771
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: who no, we shouldn't. But I do think that some

772
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: of his symptoms could be stroke. Like that's all I

773
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: wanted to say, and I will I will back you

774
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: up with that with this bit of information, which is

775
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: one of Darwin's sons. He went to college, he had

776
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: a promising career. I cannot at the moment think of

777
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: what that career was. But instead he went back and

778
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: he was basically his father's research assistant and secretary and

779
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: helped him with a lot of the writing. I don't

780
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: want to smear Darwin's name, but it is entirely possible

781
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: that his son compensated and covered some of that, you know,

782
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: protect your father, that's a very natural reaction. I don't

783
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: know that that's true, but it could have been, and

784
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: that maybe Maybe you're right. Maybe it was worse than

785
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: we know, and that's why we didn't know. It's let's

786
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: move on to another theory one may have heard of. Yes,

787
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: I think most people have heard of this, and I'm

788
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: not crazy about this theory, but I went ahead and

789
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: in the in the spirit of what we do, I

790
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: included it. And that theory is lactose intolerance. With the

791
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: bazilion versions of milk that's out there. I'm guessing that

792
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: most people know what lactose intolerance is, but if you don't,

793
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: here's what it is. It's the intolerant. The lactose intolerance

794
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: is the inability of humans, most the adults, though sometimes

795
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: it is children, to be able to digest lactose, which

796
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: is a sugar found in milk and other dairy by

797
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: products or is it byproduct or is it a product product.

798
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: It's a product Okay, direct byproducts suddenly didn't sound right

799
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: to me. Uh, it's caused by Lactose intolerance is caused

800
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: by low levels of lactasse, which is an enzyme that

801
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: you have in your body that allows you to break

802
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: down lactose via digested You break it down into little

803
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: bits and pieces so that you can observe it and

804
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: use it. I mean, that's the simplest version to do it.

805
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: For folks that have lactose intolerance, the symptoms are gonna

806
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: be or they could be bloating in cramps of the

807
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: in the abdomen, flatulence, diarrhea, nausea, rumbling stomach, or potentially vomiting,

808
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: and this would all follow consuming dairy products. Studies I've

809
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: read for this theory go as such foods such as sugar, bacon, butter,

810
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: and any desserts seemed to set off symptoms in Darwin.

811
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: And this is according to this researcher. I didn't see

812
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: this corroborating anywhere else, just just so I had that

813
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: on the board. They also said that Darwin had a

814
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: sweet tooth and that the majority of his wife's recipes

815
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: involved heavy cream those puddings we talked about before. To

816
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: make things worse, typical remedies of the time for feeling

817
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: ill were of the nineteenth century. Of that time were

818
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: to have a warm milk as a nightcap, so that

819
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: could have aggravated his symptoms if it was indeed lactose intolerance.

820
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: You know, um, when he was at sea in the

821
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: Beagle that his symptoms should have gotten better, right, because

822
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. I mean maybe they had cheese on board.

823
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, but they would have hard cheeses

824
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: which don't have lactose in Um. Yeah, I had the

825
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: very same thoughts. So actually that's a great question to segue.

826
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: What about Celiac disease, though, which is gluten intolerance, which

827
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: has the same kind of symptoms plus anemia. I'm sorry,

828
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: I there's been so much on gluten. I just like

829
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: the real version of it. Celiac disease is the real

830
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: version of it. It you know, includes all of these symptoms, right,

831
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: pretty much all of his stuff, but also causes you know,

832
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: iron deficiency, which we talked about earlier, could have caused

833
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: a lot of his symptoms arthritis, depression, and anxiety, seizures,

834
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: mouth sores, head sores. Those are you know again, this

835
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: is that rabbit hole right of like we just we

836
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: could piggyback on every single one. But I think if

837
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: we're going to do an intolerance, gluten intolerance makes way

838
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: more sense than lactose intolerance in my mind. Yeah, and

839
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: I immediately would have ruled out. But but you know

840
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: the thing, I mean, you both have a great point

841
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: about well, what if, why was it? What was symptoms

842
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: have been better on the Beagle, And wouldn't he have

843
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: probably not been getting that much milk when he was

844
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: traveling and he's on land. He would have been getting

845
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: more on land than he would have on the ship.

846
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: He was not always in major cities. He'd be hanging

847
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 1: out with indigenous people's so it's not as if they've

848
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: got a lot to spare and they'd be like, hey,

849
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: Mr Darwin, here's a jug of milk, Like, I don't

850
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: think that that would be that common of a product.

851
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: But he definitely wouldn't have had it on the ship.

852
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: That's not so they don't keep perishables on they don't.

853
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: That wouldn't have been the cause for a sea sickness.

854
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: And and my other problem with this is, and again

855
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: I know this is a rabbit hole, but lactose intolerance

856
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: doesn't cause memory loss. It doesn't cause, as far as

857
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: I can tell, muscle spasms outside of the gut. So

858
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: there's is why Celiaxes might chose an intolerance because it

859
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: cause those things. I don't know, I know, I know

860
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: it is completely possible. Yeah, absolutely, Actually I'm shocked that

861
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: nobody's come up with that already. If nobody has Scarlett

862
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: the paper, well, yeah, four, which they do the thing.

863
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know how to write science stuff.

864
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 1: It's inescapable. Is how you start your paper? ESCA? Yes,

865
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: well let's uh okay, well let's let's let's get away

866
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: from the intolerance one theories that we're talking about. We

867
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: have at least one more. We've got more than one

868
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: more to go. We've got two more to go, so

869
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: we're almost done there. This theory is that everything that

870
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: Darwin suffered was psycho smatic. Actually it could have literally

871
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: all been in his head psychosomatic conditions which are now

872
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: referred to in the d s M five. If you

873
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: don't know what the d s M five is, it's

874
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: the Diagnostics Statistic Manual of Mental Disorders. But in the

875
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: volume five, yes, thank you, in the ds M five

876
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 1: they've I guess it's changed from volume four to volume five.

877
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: They've now put it under kind of a general heading,

878
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: which is a somatic symptom disorders. It's when someone believes

879
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: that they have a physical illness or an injury where

880
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: there is no apparent physical cause for said symptom and

881
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: it's not a psychological issue or just a disorder. So

882
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: schizophrenia is something that is a psychological disorder, but psycho

883
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: smatic things don't have anything specific that can be pointed to.

884
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: Some people say that it's almost like hypochondria and they're crazy,

885
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: and these people aren't crazy. They they truly and wholly

886
00:54:53,360 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: believe that something is wrong, and it can manifest itself

887
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: in real and sometimes debilitating symptoms which can really really

888
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: do bad things to people, and it can cause degrees

889
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: of pain which are excruciating. There's one of the the

890
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: examples that I guess I got, which is probably the

891
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: best generalization of how this work that I've ever read,

892
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: is as follows. A person is concerned about their health

893
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: and they think they have a heart problem, So they

894
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 1: constantly focus on what they were, what they're experiencing, and

895
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: what's going on with their body, and that constant worry

896
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: initiates their basic feary action, which is an increase in

897
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: heart rate. Suddenly they realize their heart is beating faster.

898
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: That validates that they're right, that there is something that

899
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: is wrong with their heart, and that starts the cycle again.

900
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: Suddenly they get even more afraid and their heart rate

901
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: goes up even higher, and it works on and on

902
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: and on. That That is, in its simplest form, how

903
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: the psychosomatic conditions operate. Folks that have this, they seem

904
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: to be able to well, it's it's it's inadvertently influenced

905
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: their body's functions. It's you've heard mind over matter, but

906
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: this is mind over body and to a point that

907
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: it can be detrimental. Well, I mean I think everybody

908
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: can do that to some extent. I mean you can

909
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, say I kind of don't feel good, I

910
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: really don't feel good. Uh, and just like you kind

911
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: of work yourself into that, you know, mix, or like

912
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: you're hanging out with somebody who's sick and then later

913
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, you take one cough and suddenly you're you

914
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: have it, or you know, somebody says, oh is that

915
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: an ant on? You know, it's fine, and suddenly your

916
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: skin is crawling. You know it's that. But the differences

917
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: is that way more extreme? Yes, it's it's much more extreme,

918
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: and it's it tends to be much more as a

919
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: long term and since you know, pain is a signal

920
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: from body to your brain and sense, it's routed basically

921
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: into your brain. Your brain processes and recognizes it as pain.

922
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: It's entirely conceivable that your brain could actually manufacture pain

923
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: signals for itself. Could I mean, it's like, yeah, it's control, no,

924
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, it really is. It's it's the computer that

925
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: operates everything about you. So it could be misfiring signals

926
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: because it it's just some other part of it is

927
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: decided that this is going on and it sends the signal.

928
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's this is um It's a very murky

929
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: area when you start getting into conditions like this and

930
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: in the brain. The most common things though that people

931
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: experience or or report it's gonna be heart palpitations, vomiting,

932
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: lack or shortness of breath, diarrhea, pain in the back

933
00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: and joint, some muscles, head pains, aches, and dizziness. And

934
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: there are there are theories out there that this is

935
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: a coping mechanism for some other larger emotional stressor I've

936
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: seen stuff that said that this is what was wrong

937
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: with Darwin, that he had a psychosomatic issue and it

938
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: was all tied back to the death of his mother. Again,

939
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: I understand that that's going to be a very large

940
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: and traumatic event I don't know. I don't see any

941
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: huge ties to it. I've also seen the same thing proffered,

942
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: except saying that it's tied to his resentment or hatred

943
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: of his father, who again, as they said before, was

944
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: he's either described as very stern or a tyrant. So

945
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: we could be you know, these these folks are pointing

946
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: and saying, well, it's got to be because of his dad,

947
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: a right. You know, I think both of those are

948
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: a little a little thin though, because like back in

949
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: the day, in his day, it was not at all

950
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: in common to lose a parent at a very young age.

951
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: So that would have been a hell of a lot

952
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: of sick people. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a normal thing.

953
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: Or like, hey, how many brothers and sisters did he have?

954
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: He had six? He was one of six, right, and

955
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: so for it to all affect them all right, because

956
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: they were all sick, right, correct. So I don't know,

957
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: to different degrees, that seems weird to me too, that

958
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: everybody would be suffering from the same kind of psychosomatic Well, okay,

959
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: and if if well we can we can also flip

960
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: the tables on it and say, if it is from

961
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: a major death situation, like that. Darwin had ten children,

962
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: three of whom died at a very young age, and

963
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: his first I think it was his first child died

964
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: and his very the first and the tenth died at

965
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: in infancy if I remember right. And then one of

966
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: the girls died I think she was eight or ten,

967
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm not positive off the top of my head. But

968
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: why didn't the other seven have these kind of issues

969
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: with the loss of their sibling or I mean, do

970
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like, why is it more prevalent?

971
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying I'm not I'm not definitely not

972
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: trying to say that anything negative against the folks that

973
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 1: experience these kind of symptoms, but it seems that it'd

974
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: be rare that that many siblings would all experience this

975
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: the exact same way and have it. Yes, yeah, that

976
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: that is an anomaly to me. There are detractors for

977
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: this particular theory. We might be detractors, we might be

978
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: a little bit, but well, you know what's really funny

979
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: is that I don't mean to get off track, but

980
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: all of these uh, these medical research papers that I read,

981
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: they would espouse why they were right, and then it

982
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: almost seems as if they knew the authors of the

983
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: other papers, because they would specifically go after things that

984
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: were in the other papers, saying this is why that

985
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: theory is wrong, and that that's where I got some

986
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: of the the issues with the Darwin having a psycho

987
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: somatic conditions bit, and I'll just I'll just summarize it here,

988
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: which is people say, well, he wouldn't have had that,

989
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: because if if it was that, then stress situations for

990
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: his work should have been much worse and it should

991
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: have almost prevented him from working. One of the things

992
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: that's pointed out is that he never had a quote

993
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: unquote attack problem when he was writing on the Origin

994
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: of Species, which I don't buy because it took him

995
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: eight years to write the damn thing. So I don't

996
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: know how they validate that. Uh, there is some evidence

997
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: that says that he did have stressful situations, but they

998
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: say it wasn't. Is when he wrote his work on

999
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: on corals, which took him I believe it was three

1000
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: and a half years. He was only working on it,

1001
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: what was it twenty three months out of that time,

1002
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: and and investigating corals wasn't all that confrontational, whereas on

1003
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: the Origin of species I mean that that was gonna

1004
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: was a poop storm. He was basically killing God and

1005
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: everything that we knew about science up to that date

1006
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: with that theory, Well, I don't think it really kills God. Actually,

1007
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: well there's there unless unless you're a creationist, of course,

1008
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: But well no, there's actually a lot of good stuff

1009
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: about he and his wife and their debates on God

1010
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: and stuff like that and what his theory had on it.

1011
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: But that's that's you know, that stuff is out there

1012
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: and really good, and we're not going to go into that.

1013
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: I guess, you know. My question would be did he

1014
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: have really big episodes when his kids died? Like is

1015
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: their correlation there, because that's a pretty big stressful thing,

1016
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: and is that documented. I do know that Darwin suffered

1017
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: greatly after the death of his daughter the she was,

1018
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: like I said, she was eight to ten. I almost

1019
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: want to say her name was Annie. I wish I'd

1020
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: written this down the other two too. Did he suffer?

1021
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: I don't know how much he suffered. I haven't seen

1022
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: as much of that. His His last son, the tenth child,

1023
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: died very quickly. Uh, and I believe his first child

1024
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: didn't make it more than a year. At the most,

1025
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: I could be wrong on that. Games like, after your

1026
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: first kid dies, maybe maybe you're gonna suffer a hell

1027
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: of a lot more than probably. I mean, not to

1028
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: be insensitive, Yeah, but the thing about it is, though,

1029
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: is it it was not uncommon for kids to die.

1030
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: You It's like if you have if you have a

1031
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: kid who's like, to say, a couple of weeks old,

1032
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,919
Speaker 1: and they die, you know, I'm sure that's gonna hurt

1033
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: really bad. But but if you've got a daughter who's

1034
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: like eight ten years old, you've been hanging out with

1035
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: it for all these years, you know, and you think

1036
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: she's made it past the hump of dying and you know,

1037
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: dying in young childhood, and all of a sudden she's

1038
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 1: taken from you. Anyway, that's gotta hurt pretty bad. Yeah.

1039
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: I want to say she got scarlet fever which had

1040
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: been sweeping through the area. Yeah, I mean, it's gonna

1041
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, trying to say that we're not that,

1042
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: but I think it doesn't make sense to me that,

1043
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, he those would be documented cases. But I

1044
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: just don't think this is a good theory anyway. On

1045
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: board with a psychosomatic condition, I did say his his

1046
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: his offspring had a pretty good survival rate for those days. Yeah,

1047
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: they really did seven of ten. That's pretty good. That's

1048
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: good for that era. You're right. I mean they were

1049
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: also a bit in a wealthy family. That really helps PA. Yes,

1050
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: let's now go on to the last theory. Yeah, we're

1051
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: actually at the end of theories almost. Our final theory

1052
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: is that Darwin was suffering from chagas disease. The assassin beetle.

1053
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: I really again, this is another one I have issues with,

1054
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: but I'm going to run it through. Is the theory

1055
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: says that Darwin contracted a parasite while he was on

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Speaker 1: his excursions in South America. And the theory it doesn't

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Speaker 1: pin down a date. There's two potential dates that this

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Speaker 1: might have happened. And I've actually I actually because I

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Speaker 1: had the Beagle Diaries. I read the descriptions on these

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Speaker 1: dates or the notes and entries. One of them is

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Speaker 1: going to be September of eighteen thirty four or late September,

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Speaker 1: or the other one is in late March of eighteen

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Speaker 1: thirty five. The eighteen thirty four date works for me

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Speaker 1: because Darwin describes a lot of symptoms of illness that

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Speaker 1: could corroborate with this. The eighteen thirty five date gets

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Speaker 1: brought up because lo and behold. The bug itself is

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Speaker 1: mentioned in his writings, Uh they there was a swarm

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Speaker 1: of locusts, And then later on he says a bug

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Speaker 1: bit him and he thinks it was this bug. This well,

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Speaker 1: this bug is called well, it can be called the

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Speaker 1: kissing bug or the assassin bug. But if Darwin he

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Speaker 1: he missed, he missnamed it, he got the name wrong

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Speaker 1: in his diaries, it's the benchuka bug. These things are

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Speaker 1: really really not a good looking bug, got a weird

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01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: like probiscus on them almost. I mean it's it's it's

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01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: definitely it's a biting insect. They they're kind of like

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Speaker 1: a flee or tick in terms of they live off

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: of the blood of other animals. Problem is they also

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01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: have a tendency to pack around a parasite, and that

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01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: parasite is gonna be tried penas soma cruizy, which is

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Speaker 1: an hasty little parasite. It's not a good thing, and

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: it affects people in two stages. The acute stage, or

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01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: the first stage, last for several weeks and can be

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Speaker 1: displayed possibly as fever, fatigue, body aches, muscle pain, headaches, rash,

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Speaker 1: loss of appetite, diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting anybody. But can

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Speaker 1: I get any more symptoms I can throw? That was

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01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: a huge um I do I do? Before we get

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01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: too far into the second phase, want to talk about

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Speaker 1: one thing that comes up that I don't that really

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01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: makes me think this isn't right. And that is one

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Speaker 1: of the most notable signs of infection with this parasite,

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Speaker 1: which is called Romana's sign, and that is a swelling

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01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: of the eyelid, which appears on the side of the

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01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: body that the infection entered from. Seems like he would

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Speaker 1: have mentioned, Yeah, and if you look at pictures of

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Speaker 1: people who are showing this sign, it's not as if

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Speaker 1: their eyelid is just a little swollen. It's the eyelid

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01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: swollen and drooping from the weight. It's very very obvious. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about the chronic stage, or the second phase

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01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: of this, which doesn't always appear. Not everybody it gets it.

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01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: The symptoms of the chronic stage are heart damage and

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01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: heart rhythm anomalies, and those tend to kill. There are

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Speaker 1: also going to be digestive issues and massive weight loss.

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Speaker 1: That's that's over a long period of time though, right,

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01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: it's over a long period of time. Understand it as

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01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: you get the initial information and then like twenty years later,

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01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 1: then you die. That is correct. That is correct. And again,

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Speaker 1: as with all of these papers, I found attractors saying

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Speaker 1: this couldn't be what he was suffering. One of them

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Speaker 1: specifically says that Darwin began showing signs of the chronic

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01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: phase four years after these, after eighteen thirty five, so

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Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty nine. Though I could never they never

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01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: say specifically what it is. They're referencing that he was

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Speaker 1: showing That told them that he was getting it so early.

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01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: But I do agree that I don't think that this

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01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: is what's going on, because if he had this parasite,

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01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: it knocks about you know, if you live a long time,

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01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: it will knock ten years off your life, and it

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01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: causes major, major heart problems, and you suffer major heart

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Speaker 1: problems for quite a while. I mean swelling of the

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01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: heart that slows you down and really you're bed ridden,

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01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: you can't do anything, which does to me, doesn't match

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Speaker 1: up with what we know about Darwin, and he was

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Speaker 1: out climbing rocks and hiking and doing things like that.

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Speaker 1: If he had a heart condition, I don't see him

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Speaker 1: doing that. You know. The thing is too is again,

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Speaker 1: what I know about shock is that if he had it,

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Speaker 1: he got it at such a young age, he would

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Speaker 1: not have lived to be seventy three. If he actually

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01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: had it exactly would have been twenty three, twenty four.

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Speaker 1: He would have died in his forties, maybe his fifties.

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Speaker 1: He wouldn't have lived forty sixty years with it, or

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01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 1: forty or fifty years with So that's that's my problem

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Speaker 1: with it. Um YEA believe it or not. Thank God,

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01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: we don't have any more theories on that. I don't

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01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: want to lift off any more symptoms. I think I

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01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: have them all. Now I am ready to diagnose the patient. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Dr Joe, but on your stethoscope and let's have it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go with Crone's disease for a hundred

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01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: points um and I prescribed to aspirin. Good luck. How

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01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: about you, doctor Dr Devon? I yeah, I think Crone's disease.

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: I think the thing that I pushed the most for

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: is that he definitely had anemia in my mind, he

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 1: definitely had anemia what caused that, But I don't know

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 1: Crone's disease, maybe celiac disease, maybe some just he was

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01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: just iron deficient or be twelve bad diet possible, it happens,

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01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: we're going to prescribe anything of a steak steak, think

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01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: steak actually CREAMI of weight is great if you're iron deficient. Yeah,

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01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: it really has a huge levels of iron in it. Yeah. Oh,

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01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I personally, I don't. I don't

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01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: know that any of these are right. I think that

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01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of as I've done this before with most stories.

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01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of a combination. I think that

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01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: Darwin probably did have some mild intestinal issue. I don't

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01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: know necessarily that it was Crown's. But when you think

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01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: about the way Darwin approached science and everything he did,

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01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he was very methodical in his observations and

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01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: his writings. He really really focused and thought and spent

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01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of time observing it and just

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01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: going over and over and over it. I can see

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01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 1: him doing the same thing with his health. I can

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01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: see him saying, wait, well, I made airs in the

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01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: morning and at lunch but I didn't do it this afternoon,

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01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: and then the next day. Oh, I made airs all

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01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: three times. Something's wrong? What's going on? Like having to

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01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: check it out to the point that he may have

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: made it worse inadvertently by just focusing so much on it.

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01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, we all have things that

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01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: happen to our intestines that we don't track because that's

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01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: just your intestines. It's it's one of those things. And

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01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought to myself, you know, I should

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01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: actually start keeping closer track of what eat so I

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01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: can see which ones make me get their quote. I

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01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: never get around to doing it. I've noticed a certain things,

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01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: certain things I've definitely drawn the connection. But if I

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01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: kept a careful list of everything that I ate and drank,

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01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: then I would have a pretty good idea of everything.

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01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: I think I would too, but because there are certain

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01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: things I can't eat or drink. But I also think

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01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: that I don't do that because then you can't help.

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01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: But oh, well, suddenly something's going on, so what else

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01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: is it? And then you're like a friend of mine

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01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 1: who basically just eats rice it's on a rice diet

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01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: and taking supplement pills and it's because of crones and

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01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: he's on it's an elimination diet, cut it all out

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01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: and start to add things in. But this poor guy

1187
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: still has such a small palette of what he can eat.

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01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: So I, personally, I think that it's a combination. Ye

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01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: says you can only have one disease something. No. I

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01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: really wish that that was the case for a lot

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01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: of people, the disease only. Uh yeah, So I think

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01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: you're right out. That could have been he could have

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01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: had half a dozen things. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna

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01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: close this one out. People are probably gonna want to

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Speaker 1: know where to find some of the stuff that we've

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Speaker 1: talked about, and that's going to be on our website,

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Speaker 1: which is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You can find

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Speaker 1: some of the real or some of the research. Some

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Speaker 1: of the links to some of the research. Sounds really

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