1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Liz went from being interested in true crime to living 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: true crime. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: My husband comes. 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 3: Back outside and he's he's shaking, and he just looks 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: like he's seen a ghost and he's just in shock, 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 3: and he said, your dad's been killed. 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: This is Hands Tied, a true crime podcast exploring the 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: murder of Jim Melgar. Today is December twenty third, twenty twelve, 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: and this is a represent as kind of case. States 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: will take you inside the police investigation that. 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 4: You can see her. 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 5: I could see her. I believe she was tied up. 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: Liz's father murdered and her mother found locked in a closet, 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: her hands and feet bound. 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 5: I believe that she was like this when she was 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 5: saying help, okay, And then I got scared and I 17 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 5: ran out and I told my dad. I was like, 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 5: we don't know who's in here. 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 4: Can you convict a person of murder with no motive? 20 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 4: I knew it would be an unusual try, just because 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 4: that question was so important to the prosecution. 22 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: We'll go inside the courtroom as a jury decides who's 23 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: to blame for this shocking murder. 24 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 4: I tried to keep an help in mind. I want 25 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 4: to believe somebody is innocent until the state can prove them. 26 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: Guilty, and will follow Liz's quest for answers. 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: I'm good in an emergency. 28 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: I can stay calm, I can assess the situation. 29 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: I know what I need to do. 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: A quest that began the moment she learned her dad 31 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: had been killed. 32 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: I was looking for similar crimes in the area to 33 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: see if anything could be tied together or if it 34 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: was the same people. 35 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: And continues today using her true crime knowledge to unravel 36 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: the mystery surrounding her dad's death. 37 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: I think if it weren't for that strange interest or 38 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: hobby or whatever you want to call it, things could 39 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: have gone very, very differently. It kind of helped me 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: put the pieces of the puzzle together, pieces. 41 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Liz is still trying to put together years after her 42 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: dad murder. But for Liz, one thing is certain. She 43 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: believes the wrong person is in prison for the crime. 44 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: There's a lot of guilt, I think pushing me. 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: Listen to Hands Tied on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 46 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.