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Speaker 1: Seatson seventeen, Episode number ninety six. Welcome to the latest
Speaker 1: edition of The Break. We are live from the s
Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage studios. At the start, we just finished up
Speaker 1: the daily press conference with Mike McCarthy. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that in just a second. There's one thing I thought
Speaker 1: that came out of that was pretty interesting. Gonna have
Speaker 1: Dave kind of give us a recap on that. Nick
Speaker 1: Dills gets started with ninety six Game ninety six, o' quick,
Speaker 1: Daniels stubs Daniel Stubbs. Don't know who he is? You
Speaker 1: want to tell me who he is? He played in
Speaker 1: the nineties early nineties, was a Miami guy, moved over.
Speaker 1: But more than anything that Coppell Delhi that all the
Speaker 1: players would go to miss that place. The Stubs was
Speaker 1: because the Stubbs breakfast sandwiches that they still have is
Speaker 1: because of Daniel Stubbs. He's one of the best things
Speaker 1: I've ever eaten in my life. So so I can
Speaker 1: heart attack waiting to happen. Yeah, they still have that,
Speaker 1: and Nate Newton it's probably you know eight a few
Speaker 1: still go over there every once in a while. I
Speaker 1: don't really I used to live over there, but now
Speaker 1: I don't. But yeah, they still bring them in sometimes.
Speaker 1: Day three of the draft, Dave, No, it's not my thing.
Speaker 1: It's Rich Dalrymple's thing. He's the head of Cowboys PR.
Speaker 1: He's been here forever. I was actually watching Jimmy's speech
Speaker 1: after the ninety two how about Them Cowboys speech after
Speaker 1: they beat the Niners, and like Riches in the background
Speaker 1: looking much younger. Um. But day three of the draft
Speaker 1: he goes and gets Stubb sandwiches for like everybody in
Speaker 1: football ops and pretty awesome. Yea, he and you know
Speaker 1: at some point we might get included. Well, he always
Speaker 1: used like and like Rich can be kind of surly.
Speaker 1: I think he would agree with that. I'm not Fittsburgh,
Speaker 1: not talking trash, but even you know, Brian left personnel
Speaker 1: years and years ago, and Rich would still always buy
Speaker 1: him one. Like, so we'd be doing the draft on
Speaker 1: Saturday and Brian would have a Stubbs that Rich picked
Speaker 1: up for him, And I just thought, I always thought
Speaker 1: that was really cool gesture. But it's man, it's good.
Speaker 1: If you're ever in town, you should go get and
Speaker 1: do miss those all right, let's jump in. Let's first
Speaker 1: give me an update on all the guys that missed
Speaker 1: this last week's game. You got Michael Parsons, Tyron Smith,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, jay Ron Curse, jay Von Dicks, Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: Where are we with all those guys in returning to practice?
Speaker 1: Everybody but jay Ron Curse is up and ready to go.
Speaker 1: Micah and Tyron came off the COVID list today. Ab
Speaker 1: came off earlier this week. I don't remember the exact day,
Speaker 1: but he's been back. Yeah. I mean, jay Ron was
Speaker 1: the last guy to test positive, so it makes sense
Speaker 1: that he's the last guy still in the protocol. Lunda, well,
Speaker 1: the tight ends coach is testing right now. Um, but
Speaker 1: other than that, yeah, Jayron is the only player that
Speaker 1: I would imagine won't be available today and all Are
Speaker 1: you at all concerned about jay Ron just because he
Speaker 1: was already dealing with an injury and then he got COVID,
Speaker 1: which means that he hasn't been rehabbing with them. Are
Speaker 1: you a bit concerned about that? And where that stands?
Speaker 1: It was limited too, It was limited with hamstring, which
Speaker 1: is that's a good sign. I mean that he could
Speaker 1: have just been shut down, So I think he was
Speaker 1: relatively close anyways. Um, I just I think he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have any other reason to
Speaker 1: think that he won't. I think that he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these guys will play. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: there was one of those. Now we're putting all our
Speaker 1: chips in now, Yeah, we are. That's it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you're hurt, it doesn't matter if you got COVID.
Speaker 1: You're all in all. They have all kinds of shots.
Speaker 1: You watch these watch these COVID cases here in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go down. You think, no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: actually think I think. I think. I think COVID cases
Speaker 1: will go up on Mondays and then they will be
Speaker 1: down by the weekend. Yeah, we'll tend to go that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe all right, m Dave, I want to get your
Speaker 1: impressions of something you were. You were in that press caller,
Speaker 1: at least listen to that press conference. Mike McCarthy was
Speaker 1: asked a question about Greg Zerline. He was asked about
Speaker 1: what gives him faith at this point in a guy
Speaker 1: like Greg knowing that he's having the struggles he's having,
Speaker 1: and even more than that, what experiences he has that
Speaker 1: he may lean on to help him figure out how
Speaker 1: he manages this kind of situation. What do you say? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said a lot. I mean he probably talked for
Speaker 1: six minutes. It's a good question by Jory Epstein, especially
Speaker 1: the part about calling on his experience, because as long
Speaker 1: as Mike McCarthy has been a head coach, you would
Speaker 1: guess he's probably gone through a kicker or a punter
Speaker 1: or two, and obviously Mason Crosby has been the kicker
Speaker 1: in Green Bay forever. He talked about that of like
Speaker 1: working with Crosby through his struggles. The thing that really
Speaker 1: stuck out to me was the part about John Ryan,
Speaker 1: who I, to be honest, I never knew he played
Speaker 1: for Green Bay, and Mike McCarthy talked about how they
Speaker 1: kind of got an itchy trigger finger with him and
Speaker 1: they cut him, um and and he said, probably too soon.
Speaker 1: And he goes on and catches on with the Seahawks
Speaker 1: and had a fantastic career there, and it was just
Speaker 1: kind of it's an interesting answer if you want to
Speaker 1: go listen to the whole thing in full context, but
Speaker 1: just kind of talking about following the process, uh, like
Speaker 1: the process of the whole week, the way the guy practices,
Speaker 1: the way the guy approaches it, um, and just being
Speaker 1: true to that and not being too reactionary um in
Speaker 1: terms of like whether or not you yank a guy
Speaker 1: or cut a guy or whatever. All that being said,
Speaker 1: do you guys, and we heard him talk about with
Speaker 1: for Fossil talk about it, do you think that that's
Speaker 1: a lot of lip service from the standpoint of them
Speaker 1: saying that they're completely and totally Um. I guess what's
Speaker 1: the right word confidence still in Greg? Or do you
Speaker 1: think there is some in some aspects, some creep that's
Speaker 1: that I mean, some some doubt that maybe has crept
Speaker 1: into their minds and is going to affect how they
Speaker 1: call the game. Yeah, I think it has to affect
Speaker 1: him a little bit. I mean, um, you know, but
Speaker 1: but that may not be a bad thing too. I mean,
Speaker 1: what kicks are we talking about? Not a thirty nine
Speaker 1: yard or not a forty six yarder. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: fifty fifty four or fifty three in the second quarter.
Speaker 1: Do we want that? Do we want the field position
Speaker 1: if he misses? You know? Because so I think I
Speaker 1: think that kind of stuff. Maybe if he was locked
Speaker 1: in kicking, great, you wouldn't even worry about it. He
Speaker 1: would say he's gonna hit this fifty four yard or whatever,
Speaker 1: and that's three more points. So I think a little bit,
Speaker 1: but not to the point where you're going for two
Speaker 1: or you're you're not going you're not kicking field goals
Speaker 1: when you probably should. You know, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: one of those games where it probably low scoring, so
Speaker 1: you gotta get your three points, you know. I think, Well,
Speaker 1: when you say that, though, when you say you don't
Speaker 1: think it'll affect maybe they've been going for two. That
Speaker 1: seems to be the area where at least it's the
Speaker 1: area we're all focused on because of the missed extra points.
Speaker 1: You don't think that that affects their thought process when
Speaker 1: they get in those situations. Of maybe we should go
Speaker 1: for two here, because maybe we just don't trust the
Speaker 1: extra point as much as we trust if our offense
Speaker 1: seems to be flowing maybe two yards to get two points,
Speaker 1: what's my two points? What's the two point conversion rate
Speaker 1: for the team? For the league? It's probably fifty percent,
Speaker 1: sixty maybe a little higher for some people maybe, And
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is for the Cowboys. They
Speaker 1: seem like they're okay there, but I don't even know
Speaker 1: how many times they've done it, and not a lot,
Speaker 1: but I bet it's not eighty eight percent. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get your point, but when you think
Speaker 1: about percentage of that, but then he also have to
Speaker 1: weigh this into Dallas is at sixty percent. Okay, that's good,
Speaker 1: So well, what's more important? I mean, what's what's a
Speaker 1: better stat Sixty percent to get two points, eighty seven
Speaker 1: percent to give it one point? Right, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: pretty even, I would think. I just I'm not And
Speaker 1: to answer your original question, they probably believe what they're saying.
Speaker 1: But even if they don't, what else are you gonna say?
Speaker 1: Four days before the playoff, and I'm not soupercerned about
Speaker 1: what they're saying. I'm concerning more what they're saying when
Speaker 1: we're not around. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get to.
Speaker 1: I hate it. Jerry doesn't hold back. Yeah, Jerry's been
Speaker 1: pretty candid about it. I don't like the idea of
Speaker 1: switching up like fundamental things about who I am before
Speaker 1: a playoff game. You know what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe he's gonna miss an extra point, and that's what
Speaker 1: I said. Maybe, And I'm not I'm not excusing it,
Speaker 1: but this is just the situation that you're in. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's gonna miss an extra point. But when we need
Speaker 1: a forty six yarder with four minutes to play in
Speaker 1: the fourth that's gonna extend the lead or tie the
Speaker 1: game or whatever, He's made those Ironically, I feel better
Speaker 1: about those situations ye do. About an extra point? Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I feel if he lines up for like a must
Speaker 1: have kick on Sunday, I'm very confident that he'll make
Speaker 1: it too. I'm also pretty confident he's gonna miss something
Speaker 1: that I don't think he should miss it some way,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. But I still I just it.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, like you run races, like you
Speaker 1: get into like a rhythm, you've done something a certain way,
Speaker 1: like you don't want to switch up while you're standing
Speaker 1: on the starting line on race day. He just it's
Speaker 1: you've come too far and maybe maybe they should have
Speaker 1: done something earlier in the season, but they didn't, and
Speaker 1: now they're here and I think you just got to
Speaker 1: stay the course. Well. I was trying to find the
Speaker 1: quote from Fossil I can't ever say his name, Fossil, Fossil,
Speaker 1: Fossil where he talked about him earlier this week and
Speaker 1: basically saying, yeah, they have full confidence in him, but
Speaker 1: that it is kind of partially mental and like psychological.
Speaker 1: And he did say that they're trying to work on
Speaker 1: something with him to hit him out, But I'm like,
Speaker 1: how do you actually help a psychological part of things?
Speaker 1: You know, like, how do you what do you do
Speaker 1: to actually help it? And if anything, if it is
Speaker 1: something that would help him out, I mean, you would
Speaker 1: think they've been doing that the past months and clearly
Speaker 1: hasn't necessarily helped him out, unless he would have maybe
Speaker 1: missed even more than I went back. I went back
Speaker 1: and listened to that, and it was almost ominous because
Speaker 1: he was like, we're gonna we're gonna try something this
Speaker 1: week that might be able to help him out with that.
Speaker 1: And then they asked what it was and he was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work, I'll tell you about it on
Speaker 1: Monday next week when we talk to you again. I
Speaker 1: was just like, what are you gonna do, like threaten
Speaker 1: him or like you know you're gonna like work, they
Speaker 1: won't be talking to us what I'm saying, or like
Speaker 1: you know, like we're docking your pay for every miss
Speaker 1: and practice or something. I don't like. It just sounded
Speaker 1: kind of like a threat, almost like oh, we got
Speaker 1: something for Greg this week. That is the crazy part
Speaker 1: about this thing. And this is in sports in general
Speaker 1: these days, like they got sports psychologists. Every team has
Speaker 1: sports psychologists, and guys have sports psychologists on their own.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is, it is there is a mental
Speaker 1: side to sports, into competition, into performance, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would assume at this point they're probably
Speaker 1: trying anything they can try, especially a thing like this
Speaker 1: where this is clearly not a physical thing, like this
Speaker 1: guy will kick a fifty something yarder and you feel
Speaker 1: pretty good. About it, and he's out out down and
Speaker 1: trying to kick an extra point. And that's where you work,
Speaker 1: like that is a mental issue, Like that's something going
Speaker 1: on psychological, and so then it just it's a matter
Speaker 1: of can you figure out what the psychological thing is
Speaker 1: and try to fix it. It's not as simple as
Speaker 1: just fixing a mechanical things. What I would do that
Speaker 1: not a damn thing. I wouldn't do a damn thing.
Speaker 1: Just kick the ball. Don't talk to him about it
Speaker 1: or anything. He knows. It's like, it's just like basketball,
Speaker 1: and you shoot free throws. You got a good free
Speaker 1: throw shooter, You go into a little bit of a
Speaker 1: stump here and there, and just gotta keep shooting, Gotta
Speaker 1: keep shooting, gotta get back into that rhythm. Don't talk
Speaker 1: about it. You don't. I mean, does anyone go up
Speaker 1: to the guy who pitching a no hitter in the
Speaker 1: seventh inning and go and you're really spending it today?
Speaker 1: You know you got a no hitter. You don't talk
Speaker 1: about it, Just just go. He knows, he knows the deal.
Speaker 1: Let him go kick on the off site. Like I
Speaker 1: wonder you go up to a pitcher in the third
Speaker 1: when he's giving up four runs and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: you can't find the zone today, like your curveball sucks today.
Speaker 1: Where's that? Where is it? Sports psychologists? Yeah, well that
Speaker 1: that's just called you're out nine other guys that day.
Speaker 1: You don't I mean, don't you know you don't have
Speaker 1: another guy? You don't have right now? Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: there's no tap in the right leg. Can you mean
Speaker 1: the right You just see McCarthy. That's the cool thing, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're nice, but don't have that he's with he's with
Speaker 1: another guy. Yeah, it would be nice, but you don't
Speaker 1: have to get us for tampering. My bad. I don't
Speaker 1: know where he is. He's Washington. He's with someone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not here. Anybody here, sorry, yes he is not here.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take our first break. We come back.
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Speaker 1: Let's go and get Bucky Brooks of NFL Networks to
Speaker 1: join us. We're gonna talk to San Francisco offense versus
Speaker 1: the Dallas defense and Bucky. From the moment that this
Speaker 1: matchup was announced, I think everybody looked at immediately looked
Speaker 1: at this San Francisco running game and said that that's
Speaker 1: going to be a problem. Tell me why they're so
Speaker 1: tough to defend. It's a problem because it's creators yet
Speaker 1: old school. It will attest your discipline, get attest your
Speaker 1: physicality and toughness, and if all eleven defenders aren't on
Speaker 1: the same page, it can made four long day. And
Speaker 1: what Kyle Shanahan has done is he's taking the system
Speaker 1: that was created by his dad and Alice Gibbs. Any
Speaker 1: dad of a few bills and whistles that makes it
Speaker 1: even harder to defend the free snap shifting and motioning.
Speaker 1: They do that on over seventy percent of their play.
Speaker 1: And so what they do is they kind of play
Speaker 1: the shield game with you, all right. They motion, they
Speaker 1: shift with a strength call. Who's doing this? You got
Speaker 1: to be communicating, and then they hit you right in
Speaker 1: the mouth with a pin and poor run with guards
Speaker 1: pulling and all of the other stuff. And so for
Speaker 1: teams who had gone to ride of they want to
Speaker 1: get lighter and faster to get after the passer, they
Speaker 1: basically comes right at you. And for teams that are fast,
Speaker 1: I mean in big and physical, they run to the edges.
Speaker 1: And for teams who are trying to hide defensive backs
Speaker 1: who don't like tackling, they run to the edges. They
Speaker 1: put wide receivers that enjoy blocking on you. And so
Speaker 1: it's all hands on that deal that you have to
Speaker 1: defend when you have to defend their running again, like
Speaker 1: this seems like second down is probably the most important
Speaker 1: down for the Cowboys defense here, just just the difference
Speaker 1: of maybe getting them in third and long situations or
Speaker 1: something third and short or first down to keep them
Speaker 1: playing the way they want to play. Would you agree
Speaker 1: with that, Yeah, early down situations are critical. I would
Speaker 1: back it up and say first down is really the
Speaker 1: key because if you can hold them the four yards
Speaker 1: a fewer on first down, then you probably forced them
Speaker 1: to pass on second nown, which plays to the strengths
Speaker 1: of your team. But what you don't want to do
Speaker 1: in a b in a situation where they're living in
Speaker 1: thurden twos and second and fours, because now it's a mixdown,
Speaker 1: they can run and or they can throw it, because
Speaker 1: third down won't be a long yer situation, and so
Speaker 1: first down it would be critical in terms of making
Speaker 1: them play behind the chain. And the thing about it
Speaker 1: is you can't just get up to stop the run
Speaker 1: or early downs. You got to be aware of the play,
Speaker 1: actual passing game, the shot zone when they do these
Speaker 1: missed direction plays and then try and raise up and
Speaker 1: pull it deep down the field. And so it's one
Speaker 1: of those games where everyone has to be on the
Speaker 1: same page. You might even need to be simpler in
Speaker 1: terms of what you do in the back end to
Speaker 1: make sure that everyone is locked and loading. You don't
Speaker 1: give up the home run play Bucky. When you play
Speaker 1: a team with this much motion and pre snap movement.
Speaker 1: What's the key to getting ready for that, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you only have so many reps in a week. Is
Speaker 1: that tape study or do you have to get out
Speaker 1: and wrap it? Like, what's what's the best way to
Speaker 1: prepare for that? Well, when you want to simplify, right,
Speaker 1: which kind of play to This is why they do it.
Speaker 1: They motion and shift you because they want you to
Speaker 1: play simple. They want to figure out what you're doing
Speaker 1: and then they want to attack it. But from a
Speaker 1: defensive standpoint, the reason you want to simplify is you
Speaker 1: don't have enough time throughout the week to go through
Speaker 1: every conceivable shift, motion and running play or fast and
Speaker 1: play that they're a So you want something that would
Speaker 1: allow you to stay in a solid defense, something that
Speaker 1: can be communicated really quickly. You don't have people running
Speaker 1: around looking like they're lost in space. Everyone sees the motion,
Speaker 1: they adjust, they bump, and then they line up in play.
Speaker 1: And so you can do that plane zone. You can
Speaker 1: do that plane man. But what you don't want to
Speaker 1: do is to have probably the chief case factory menu
Speaker 1: this week because of the beach much to get it
Speaker 1: in it needs to be I guess what you guys,
Speaker 1: talk about what a bird. It needs to be small,
Speaker 1: It needs to be very simple and concise. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about the run defense and
Speaker 1: the Colways run defense. You know they're not necessarily they're
Speaker 1: forte on this area. So how does that look against
Speaker 1: this kind of running game that the forty nine has
Speaker 1: got going on. I mean, right now, I would say
Speaker 1: you the big umbro will fall on the h has
Speaker 1: to go on the heads of the defensive lineman in
Speaker 1: the linebackers, the markets, Lawrence and those guys up front
Speaker 1: got to be able to control the gaps Laden Van
Speaker 1: the Esh and Michael Park and have to make sure
Speaker 1: they have great disciplines in getting to their gaps. And
Speaker 1: then the overall defense has to raise up the level
Speaker 1: of physicality. Like I can talk to you about all
Speaker 1: the xs and os and the schematics, but it's the playoffs,
Speaker 1: like it really comes down to which team out hits
Speaker 1: the other team, and so the physical nature of the
Speaker 1: game has to be better than we've ever seen from
Speaker 1: the cow Boy this season. That's just the nature the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So they have got to turn it up the night
Speaker 1: and so this has to be a very physical smash
Speaker 1: mouth affair, And I don't know if they've been enough
Speaker 1: games on the regular seasons plate for us to actually predict, like, oh,
Speaker 1: what this is going to look like to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: But we just have to know that if they're going
Speaker 1: to win, it has to be the most physical game
Speaker 1: on the defensive of the ball. Although San Francisco has
Speaker 1: been a pretty good running the ball most of the year,
Speaker 1: they did have a game against Arizona where they only
Speaker 1: had thirty nine rush sharts. Now that was only on
Speaker 1: eleven carries. What did Arizona do in that game that
Speaker 1: maybe nullified that running game. Teams that hit don't like
Speaker 1: to be hit, so the Arizona Cardinal sent them in
Speaker 1: the mouth in their game. The physicality from the Cardinals
Speaker 1: in their game offensively and defensively took them out the
Speaker 1: mix and they were able to kind of control the
Speaker 1: game and play the game on their turn because at
Speaker 1: the time Arizona was successfully running the football, they were
Speaker 1: dialing up pressures like crazy, and they just disrupted the
Speaker 1: running game by blitzening it. And so that is always
Speaker 1: a way to do it, but you just got to
Speaker 1: make sure when you blitz like the Cardinals, we're bringing
Speaker 1: pressure that everyone has to make sure they hit the
Speaker 1: right gap because when you run a gap scheam like
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers run because they've gone away a
Speaker 1: little bit from the zone scheam, what they do is
Speaker 1: they're trying to get one defend the out of the gap.
Speaker 1: They kick them out and it ends up being a
Speaker 1: big play up to guy. So it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where you gotta bring pressure. You can't just sit
Speaker 1: back and play like toy soldiers. You gotta bring it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to make them out to be
Speaker 1: a team that can't be defeated. They actually had like
Speaker 1: seven or so losses on their record, But you just
Speaker 1: gotta be ready for you gotta get them in the mouth,
Speaker 1: and you gotta make the game be one that Jimmyga
Speaker 1: Rocko has to win the game. They can't be a
Speaker 1: game where they're comfortable and able to run the football
Speaker 1: the way they want to running. Have you seen Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn do do that with this defense call that kind
Speaker 1: of game. They haven't really had to do that, you know,
Speaker 1: like the eager we're running team, But like the first
Speaker 1: game they played them, they weren't quite in that mode.
Speaker 1: And then the second game, like it was a JV team,
Speaker 1: so we really haven't seen that. But their running game
Speaker 1: would be comparable to the way the Eagles successfully started
Speaker 1: running the ball at the end of the year. But
Speaker 1: the quarterback running some read running. They're doing some creative
Speaker 1: things now. They haven't had a dial up depression. Initially,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect them to dollar presson. I think they're
Speaker 1: trying to play play it in their base, trying to
Speaker 1: stay conservative and play the way they played all year.
Speaker 1: But then they have to dialed up, and they have
Speaker 1: to dialed up. The main thing is they got to
Speaker 1: win first half. They got to get them behind the
Speaker 1: chain so they can dictate the terms. They have to
Speaker 1: be a Jimmy Garoppolo game. It can't be an Elijah
Speaker 1: Mitchield and Deebo Samuel game where they're running the ball
Speaker 1: and having it on their terms. Bucky I, Deebo Samuel,
Speaker 1: and George Kittle get a lot of attention, and rightfully,
Speaker 1: so you tell me a little bit about Brandon Auk
Speaker 1: because it seems like he's kind of breaking out a
Speaker 1: little bit and I feel like he's flying under the radar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's out of the dog house now he's in the
Speaker 1: dog house earlt the end of the year, he and
Speaker 1: Couch and the hand were on different pages in terms
Speaker 1: build just the way that Brendon and I Yuko is
Speaker 1: playing and performing the effort that he was just playing
Speaker 1: not only his receivers but also in the running game.
Speaker 1: So he got on board and what the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers have done, and I'm stilled this going back to
Speaker 1: those drafts years. They basically are playing the wing t
Speaker 1: type system right where they have a bunch of wide
Speaker 1: receivers that are like wingbacks that can touch the ball.
Speaker 1: They can run it, they can catch it, they can
Speaker 1: run after the cats. They have versatile athletes like Kill
Speaker 1: and George you Check that are able to do a
Speaker 1: bunch of different things. And their game outside of the run,
Speaker 1: it's all catch and run concepts. They want to get
Speaker 1: the ball to the hands of the playmakers, and their
Speaker 1: playmakers can scoot. All of those guys have like pump
Speaker 1: return skills in the background, so they're physical, they break
Speaker 1: arm tackles, and they're hard to get down them. And
Speaker 1: so I Yuk is a guy in aargon the state
Speaker 1: who was dominant and disrupt dynamic with the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands, and he's continue to be that kind of
Speaker 1: playmaking wint when he's gotten chances. Are you expecting now
Speaker 1: Boys to be able to get some takeaways against this
Speaker 1: type of offense. Yes, if they can win first down
Speaker 1: and make Jimmy Garoppolo do it, because if they can
Speaker 1: put the game on Jimmy Garoppolo, he's guaranteed to give
Speaker 1: you at least two because that's what he does. They
Speaker 1: are undefeated. When Jimmy Garoppolo does not have a turnover
Speaker 1: in the game, they're recorded lopside it when he turns
Speaker 1: it over. The reason they've been able to prevent him
Speaker 1: from turning it over is because Kyle Shanahan talked about this.
Speaker 1: When they get to the thirty plus mark and rushing attempts,
Speaker 1: the game is going the way they want because they
Speaker 1: do not want to expose Jimmy Garoppolo as a passion
Speaker 1: meaning making them throw traditional drop back passes without using
Speaker 1: play action, and so you have to stop the run
Speaker 1: and make them get into a shoette type game where
Speaker 1: he has to throw without play action and everyone in
Speaker 1: the build and knows that he's drawing because he's gonna
Speaker 1: miss and he's gonna throw it to the other team.
Speaker 1: That's what he's done, that's what he's always done, and
Speaker 1: that's who Jimmy Garoppolo is. All right, we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: That's good stuff, Bucky. We'll have you back tomorrow. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about the San Francisco defense versus the Dallas offense.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our final break. Comeback. Ask these guys
Speaker 1: some questions about this Dallas defense. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: We got a final segment. A few questions for you
Speaker 1: guys about this Dallas defense in this matchup against San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Let's start first with this. When Dallas's run defense has
Speaker 1: struggled this year, what did you think was the biggest problem?
Speaker 1: Because I think there's been some games Denver, maybe the
Speaker 1: second Philadelphia game, depend on how you look at that.
Speaker 1: I look at that as that first half they were
Speaker 1: having some struggles there against what it wasn't even at
Speaker 1: the starting unit for first it was terrible in that game. Well,
Speaker 1: of course he wasn't there, and so I guess what
Speaker 1: I'm asking is and the games where they have struggled
Speaker 1: New England might have been another. What do you think
Speaker 1: was was the biggest challenge Denver? They didn't tackle, They
Speaker 1: did not tackle very well. They didn't look like they
Speaker 1: played the game like they were very interested. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that was the case, but they didn't seem
Speaker 1: like it, and they didn't tackle like it. And they
Speaker 1: let guys that are you know, rookie back who's a
Speaker 1: good player, Javonte Williams. But they let him, you know,
Speaker 1: turn into Jim Brown. So they didn't tackle well. And
Speaker 1: there was a lot of plays in that game that
Speaker 1: I remember specifically. We talked about first down a lot.
Speaker 1: There was a how many times in that Denver game
Speaker 1: was it like second and twelve, second and thirteen and
Speaker 1: they would get like nine ten yards? Totally change it.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get Teddy Bridgewater to throw it on
Speaker 1: third and twelve and it wasn't happening. They would get
Speaker 1: in first downs or a third and short. Same type
Speaker 1: of thing here. I compare this game a lot to
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers to the Bronco game. Quarterbacks about
Speaker 1: the same. You don't you don't want to give them
Speaker 1: a lot of room because they might, you know, but
Speaker 1: the more that they throw a better it might be
Speaker 1: for you. Just don't put them in favorable situation. Another
Speaker 1: one probably worth mentioning is the Saints game and they
Speaker 1: pulled away, but Dasom Hill ran all over them. That's
Speaker 1: obviously a little bit different, But I do think the
Speaker 1: edge factor is part of it. Like they didn't play
Speaker 1: with an edge against Denver, and I think, like to
Speaker 1: Bucky's point, and I don't think that'll be a problem
Speaker 1: in a playoff game. But like you gotta come ready
Speaker 1: to sign up to just get bashed and bash back,
Speaker 1: you know, for sixty God that sounds like such a cliche.
Speaker 1: For sixty minutes though, like every play, and so I
Speaker 1: don't worry about that in a playoff game. But also
Speaker 1: gap integrity, the stuff with the motion is really tricky
Speaker 1: because I think at time times, uh, some of these
Speaker 1: guys have this defense has been caught out of position
Speaker 1: by stuff like that. Again, going back to Taysom Hill,
Speaker 1: when you can scheme up stuff like that, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that has been a problem for them when teams
Speaker 1: have been able to run the ball. The thing about
Speaker 1: what the Fortin unders did you know and not? I
Speaker 1: watched them more than you know that that game. I
Speaker 1: saw the game, and I hadn't watched him play a
Speaker 1: lot like I don't know if it's changed over the years,
Speaker 1: but I guarantee Shanahan has figured out exactly how to
Speaker 1: call those or how to run those plays that they
Speaker 1: don't get a false start because if you notice they
Speaker 1: have put their guy in motion, like right before the snap,
Speaker 1: it almost looks like a false start, like he moves.
Speaker 1: I didn't notice that a couple of plays, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's I don't the fullback's name. I don't even
Speaker 1: know how I mean, he's he's not a fullback, you
Speaker 1: can call him that. He's everything he and he dictates
Speaker 1: a lot of things. But he is moving half a
Speaker 1: second before the snap. But it's legal. It's a legal
Speaker 1: play they've got. It's got to be legal. It's just
Speaker 1: like he goes in motion. No one says how long
Speaker 1: you go in motion for he goes. He doesn't go
Speaker 1: in motion for two seconds. It's just motion and then snap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it really gives them a running start, and so
Speaker 1: it's a crafty way that they figured it out. This
Speaker 1: is actually going back to a conversation we've been having
Speaker 1: all year, and I want Micah rushing the passer in
Speaker 1: as an element of every game he plays. But I
Speaker 1: think this is probably a game where he's more valuable
Speaker 1: off the ball to them, because again, gap integrity like
Speaker 1: having the not just the instincts, but the speed to
Speaker 1: be where you're supposed to be and then the physicality
Speaker 1: to make the play when you get there. And I
Speaker 1: think probably because he's a conservative converted safety, I think
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neill has had times where he didn't have the
Speaker 1: physicality to do that, broken tackles and whatnot. And I
Speaker 1: think Layton vander esh isn't as quick to the ball
Speaker 1: as he as the guy we saw when he was younger.
Speaker 1: He's been. They've both been solid this season, but we
Speaker 1: know what elite off ball linebacker play looks like, and
Speaker 1: that hasn't been it. And Mica has that potential to
Speaker 1: you know, the classic idea of Sean Lee of knowing
Speaker 1: where the ball's going the minute it's snapped, getting there
Speaker 1: and making the play. I think that would be very
Speaker 1: valuable against the type of football San Francisco likes to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned two things there that jumped out
Speaker 1: of me. First was when you're talking about Taysom Hill.
Speaker 1: One thing to note, they do line de Deebo Samuel's
Speaker 1: up in the backfield to get direct snaps sometimes, So
Speaker 1: that could be something that they look at and say, hey,
Speaker 1: Cowboys had some trouble stopping Taysom Hill in those situations
Speaker 1: where he was getting a direct snap and running. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's something that we see this weekend with Deebo Samuels.
Speaker 1: But the other thing you talked about, Michael Parsons and
Speaker 1: I look at that, and in that Arizona game, one
Speaker 1: thing they did with Mica is they kind of had
Speaker 1: him tracking on a lot of plays. They had him
Speaker 1: tracking Carlos Edmonds. I wonder if the Cowboys will look
Speaker 1: at this game and look at him very similar to
Speaker 1: that and say, we're gonna have him track whoever's in
Speaker 1: the backfield, whether that's Elijah Mitchell, if Debo's in the backfield,
Speaker 1: track Deebo. Kind of key him with whoever's in the backfield.
Speaker 1: And because you don't have to worry about a running
Speaker 1: quarterback like you did against Arizona. I was a little
Speaker 1: bit like in those situations against Arizona, I was a
Speaker 1: little bit like, I don't know if I would have
Speaker 1: done that though, when you got a running quarterback, but
Speaker 1: they did it a lot in that game, and he
Speaker 1: did a good job on Carlos Edmonds. It does make
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds. I'm sorry. I do think that that is
Speaker 1: a strategy that maybe it's worth looking at four game
Speaker 1: like this. Maybe Deebo Samuel, but I mean, I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think that was a bad decision against the Cardinals, right, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you you took out Chase Edmonds with Michael Parsons when
Speaker 1: I mean that he's not the guy that makes it
Speaker 1: go all the time. Oh no, you nullified. He mullified
Speaker 1: our running back. No, No, I mean I think Mica
Speaker 1: Parsons needs to be the one dictating everything. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want him following Deebo Samuel all the time.
Speaker 1: I want him getting after Jimmy Garoppolo's ass. That's what
Speaker 1: I want him doing all the time. And so um
Speaker 1: I get the spy part of it too. Jalon Curse
Speaker 1: has got to be a huge in this game for
Speaker 1: the kittle and just the way he plays and number
Speaker 1: fifty five. Like I said this on the radio this morning,
Speaker 1: and I never have said this about any player ever,
Speaker 1: because it does any sport. You don't say this. I
Speaker 1: need rookie year vander esh this week rookie season Layton.
Speaker 1: That sounds weird, but I need that guy. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: hunter he to me is his game the X factor
Speaker 1: in this game, mainly because against the running team, I
Speaker 1: think when they've struggled. I ask you guys that question earlier.
Speaker 1: I think when they've struggled against the run, I think
Speaker 1: primarily you've had issues at linebacker, and I think he's
Speaker 1: been a part of that. And I just wonder, like
Speaker 1: this is a game where he's gonna have to show
Speaker 1: up and really play an outstanding game, getting in the
Speaker 1: right gaps where he needs to be and not getting
Speaker 1: washed out of place, because that happens quite a bit
Speaker 1: with him, which is and I agree, but they both do.
Speaker 1: Neil and Layton both have to have nice games. But
Speaker 1: I would like Parsons to help with that, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I mean again, I want him to do
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything always, but I think I'm
Speaker 1: content to try to let the the front four get
Speaker 1: after Garoppolo Like it's it's weird to be talking about
Speaker 1: an NFL football game in twenty twenty two where I'm
Speaker 1: more worried about what they can do with the run
Speaker 1: than the past. I'm just like, I can you know,
Speaker 1: I'll live and die with making Jimmy make those plays.
Speaker 1: You know. And you say, you say, Jimmy, you're talking
Speaker 1: about Garoppolo, But I think that Jimmy Johnson. I remember
Speaker 1: when he first got here, um and and the big
Speaker 1: talk was you can't play college football in the NFL,
Speaker 1: especially in the NFC East because Jimmy Johnson wanted quick,
Speaker 1: fast defenders, undersized, you know, a little bit um. But
Speaker 1: but they they fly to the ball. And here's here's
Speaker 1: a good example of that. You know. Keian nielsa converted safety.
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons, Yes, he's a linebacker. He's he's not the biggest,
Speaker 1: you know, vander esh you know, those guys have been
Speaker 1: knocked back before. Jay Ron Curse is a converted safety
Speaker 1: that plays up there close to the line. Big boys
Speaker 1: try you know, blockie. It gets hat on a hat,
Speaker 1: which could be in trouble. The thing is they've got
Speaker 1: to be quicker to the ball. They got to use
Speaker 1: that speed and it worked on those teams in the
Speaker 1: nineties and they kind of change the game a little bit.
Speaker 1: But but I just wonder, like this is gonna be
Speaker 1: speed versus power, and if and if they don't get
Speaker 1: there and utilize their speed and they take on these
Speaker 1: blocks head on it, it could be a long day.
Speaker 1: I do also and completely agreed. I think it's worth
Speaker 1: mentioning as well. They're so good at yards after catch
Speaker 1: and that's been I mean, talking about issues for this defense.
Speaker 1: That's been a theme as well. Going back the Saints game.
Speaker 1: I just talked about seventy yard catch and run. You've
Speaker 1: seen stuff like that across the season. DJ Moore going
Speaker 1: all the way back to Carolina and again, I mean
Speaker 1: tackling a lot, don't I mean, don't let they're gonna
Speaker 1: get first downs. Don't let these guys turned six yard
Speaker 1: catches into twenty five yard games. I saw both of
Speaker 1: us kind of looked at each other while Bucky was
Speaker 1: talking about how they will try to, you know, run
Speaker 1: on the outside if they think that they got to
Speaker 1: defend to back. Dad don't like to tackle. Guess what,
Speaker 1: you're a little bit concerned about trey Von because that's
Speaker 1: the one part of Trayvon game that I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people give him a lot of flack about
Speaker 1: what he does in the coverage game. I'm good with that.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a great guy when it comes
Speaker 1: run defense as a run defendant. What do you guys think?
Speaker 1: I know that. Yes, my eyebrows perked up and I
Speaker 1: looked at you for a very specific reason. If yeah,
Speaker 1: I find somebody else to have the yard's allowed debate.
Speaker 1: I don't care. He's been fantastic and coverage, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of Deebo Samuel coming around
Speaker 1: left tackle with Juice Check out there blocking on the perimeter,
Speaker 1: and like Treyvon is what's gonna stop this from being
Speaker 1: a huge game? That, Yeah, that's concerning. And again they
Speaker 1: have to go into this game with that mindset of
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be sore as hell tomorrow because it's
Speaker 1: just gonna be that physical and I've got to make
Speaker 1: those types of plays or better yet, Deebo out there
Speaker 1: actually trying to block and you've got Elijah Mitchell coming
Speaker 1: behind him with us check Like that's where I start wondering,
Speaker 1: Like they got receivers and this is what Bucky was getting.
Speaker 1: I think our receivers who like to block and they're
Speaker 1: good at it, that can be a bit of a
Speaker 1: challenge when you start talking about the perimeter run gay
Speaker 1: if Kyle Shanahan doesn't specifically have a focus on like
Speaker 1: number seven doesn't necessarily like to get in the mix
Speaker 1: in the run game, like I guarantee you that's part
Speaker 1: of their game plan. It has to be. Yeah, he's too,
Speaker 1: Like we give him so much credit for the way
Speaker 1: that he like adapts to his opponents and adapts his personnel.
Speaker 1: There's no way that they haven't seen that on tape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's how you're gonna get him out of his game,
Speaker 1: you know, get him running the running at him, let
Speaker 1: him thinking that way. And then that's where we've kind
Speaker 1: of seen him slip up a little bit um in coverage,
Speaker 1: you know, when he's not playing his game and and
Speaker 1: just covering guys all the time. So yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's that's gonna be. I mean,
Speaker 1: they do a lot of those reverses and things like that.
Speaker 1: It's gonna but that's where the linebackers have got to
Speaker 1: be true. We talked about they got to be aware,
Speaker 1: they got to be seeing it. They gonna be chasing it.
Speaker 1: The speed is gonna come into play. That's where it's
Speaker 1: just like it's a chess match, you know, And you
Speaker 1: talked about how sore you're gonna feel the next day.
Speaker 1: I mean, the winner of this game could very easily
Speaker 1: play on Saturday. I mean, I think that's a possibility
Speaker 1: that the winner of this game is going to get
Speaker 1: a short week. Well. The interesting thing there too is
Speaker 1: both of these teams, the team that you would probably play,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Tampa gets to win, They're gonna have a
Speaker 1: similar type matchup, a team that likes to mix it
Speaker 1: up and play physical. And so you know, this is
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Everybody's gonna everybody's gonna be feeling it come Monday,
Speaker 1: because every the level of play goes up when you
Speaker 1: get don't think anyone's gonna be too tired to play, right, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. But and it's of
Speaker 1: course where that would be thinking too far ahead. But
Speaker 1: Tampa play is Sunday at one or noon for us,
Speaker 1: and then the other matchup that the Cowboys could potentially
Speaker 1: be involved with his Monday night. So at the very
Speaker 1: least happen on Saturday. No, but well just at the
Speaker 1: very least, whoever they would play isn't going to have
Speaker 1: more rest than they would So yeah, no, I think
Speaker 1: I think you find your I think you can find
Speaker 1: your energy for the playoffs. Because we were talking about that,
Speaker 1: like like, and this is if the NFL wants to
Speaker 1: go AFC NFC on Saturday, AFC NFC on on Sunday,
Speaker 1: they may not. They may stick it to what it
Speaker 1: is right now and just go AFC A But the
Speaker 1: thing about it is is that you know, if if
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys are gonna play the Buccaneers, if they
Speaker 1: win and play the Buccaneers, then then the next game
Speaker 1: would be um Green Bay and obviously the winner of
Speaker 1: the four or five game on Monday night. They're not
Speaker 1: putting a Monday night team on Saturday. So I'm just
Speaker 1: saying if they do want to put an NFC game
Speaker 1: on Saturday, it's gonna have to be the you know,
Speaker 1: the b Bucks and the winner of this game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I again the problems problems for Monday. Oh yeah, they win, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, they'll have they'll be banged up and all that.
Speaker 1: And I mean it's like I said before, it's a
Speaker 1: fist fight. This is gonna turn into a very physical game.
Speaker 1: And can the Cowboys do it? Can they hold up?
Speaker 1: That's that's the big question. As always appreciate you guys,
Speaker 1: join us. Will back to morrow. We're gonna talk some
Speaker 1: San Francisco defense firstus. The Cowboys offense will do that tomorrow.
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