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Speaker 1: us this hour, of course, all things major League Baseball, including.

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Speaker 2: What's the deal with the Dodgers? Height? What's the deal

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Speaker 2: with the Dodgers?

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Speaker 1: You know, I was talking with Jason Stewart earlier today

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Speaker 1: and yeah, then we we kind of discussed Bulderham, Remember

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Speaker 1: the what's the line from Bulderham about shower shoes?

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Speaker 3: Jay Stu, If you win twenty games on the show,

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Speaker 3: you're colorful. If you don't, you're a swap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have fungus on your shower shoes, right,

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Speaker 1: and I use that because it's sort of where we

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Speaker 1: are with Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield now has become this classic underdog, lovable quarterback,

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Speaker 1: kind of similar to when he was at Texas Tech

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Speaker 1: as a freshman walk on starting, or kind of similar

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Speaker 1: to most of the time at Oklahoma where he's a

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Speaker 1: former walk on transfer who became a star. You know,

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Speaker 1: all of those things, all of those things to me

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Speaker 1: are related in that you know, now he's beloved and

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Speaker 1: by Baker's own insistence, he hasn't changed. He's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm the same guy. Now you love me, used to

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Speaker 1: hate me. Here's Baker Mayfield when he's asked about the

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Speaker 1: critics who say he's been sured.

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Speaker 4: I told you, guys, try and not get too high

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Speaker 4: and not get too low, which is something that I

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Speaker 4: was not doing early on in my career. But you know,

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Speaker 4: early on in my career, yeah, it's looked as cocky, immature.

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Speaker 4: Now it's moxie.

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Speaker 2: He's a dog.

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Speaker 4: So it's same different days. Just as long as you

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Speaker 4: play well, they change the narrative. But you've got to

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Speaker 4: be yourself. And I've always been like that.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm a little I'm not torn. I'm not conflicted.

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of these things, a lot

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Speaker 1: of these stories I'm gonna throw at you, kind of

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Speaker 1: all work together. So Odell Beckham Junior was with him

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Now, remember we're making a snapshot of today

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland. And he's like, look, I'm the same guy

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Speaker 1: I am today. On the other hand, he did contextualize it.

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Speaker 1: I was more emotional then, but I'm the same guy

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Speaker 1: was today that I was in Cleveland. You're just judging

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Speaker 1: me differently. It's fair because when he was in Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: he was the number one overall pick. He's in Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: he's the former Heisman Trophy winner. Was in Cleveland. People

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Speaker 1: tried to sell us on this underdog status. But when

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Speaker 1: you're the number one overall pick in the NFL drafting

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Speaker 1: me the Heighsman Trophy winner, you are no longer an

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Speaker 1: upper underdog. So there is part of it where he

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Speaker 1: struggled with the old Shakespearean line heavy as the head

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Speaker 1: that wears the crown. He was the king of Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: and he had been annoyted that king by being the

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Speaker 1: number one overall draft pick. His gm who drafted him,

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Speaker 1: said he's like Brett Favre. I mean, like you're talking

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Speaker 1: about deity like status. Also should be remembered that Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham Junior was on the team and part of Baker's

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Speaker 1: downfall was the fracture in their relationship or the lack

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Speaker 1: of respect OBJ had for Baker Mayfield OBJ, who we

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Speaker 1: don't know. We think he may be out of football.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he got caught with peds. So even if

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Speaker 1: he does try and come back, he suspended. He's making

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Speaker 1: the rounds and he said this on a podcast this

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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll get to that in a second. That's okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll relate it to you and I'll kind of bring

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Speaker 1: when you have that cut there, Sammy.

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Speaker 1: So we have to understand that part of how we

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Speaker 1: the best wide receiver in the league, when he was

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Speaker 1: Obj's dad called out Baker on social media, immediately we

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Speaker 5: Not a semi a bit of me that like feel

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Speaker 5: I could have went to the Patriots. I could have

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Speaker 5: went to teams that had, you know, a chance to

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Speaker 5: be great. And that's not what their desire was their desire.

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Speaker 5: You can't tell me that this was the best trade

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Speaker 5: package we could have got for you know, your desire was.

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Speaker 3: To you know, kind of put me over a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It's how I feel.

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Speaker 5: You know, you feel like I made a fool of

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Speaker 5: view of the organization and that was never truly like

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Speaker 5: my intention. Like I'm just that competitive, Like I wanted

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Speaker 5: of being six and ten. We haven't done anything to

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Speaker 5: make changes. Eli's going out. You know, I'm texting Eli,

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Speaker 5: like your seventh on the list, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: like for the greatest of all time, like I want

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Speaker 5: to be I want to see Eli go out with

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Speaker 5: another super Bowl. Like we're not putting the pieces around them,

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Speaker 5: and I feel like I was being wasted as well.

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Speaker 5: Like that's how you know, like stats is cool, and

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Speaker 5: like when you losing, it doesn't feel like, okay, cool,

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Speaker 5: I had thirteen hundred whatever, fourteen hundred ards, just be

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean all that stuff about losing is great.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing you heard from his voice was

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to be in Cleveland. He viewed Cleveland

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Speaker 1: as as a bad franchise. What's amazing about it was

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Speaker 1: when he was in Cleveland, they actually had a chance

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Speaker 1: right Cleveland, when Baker was the quarterback, you know, his

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Speaker 1: first year seven wins to six year, the second year

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Speaker 1: six wins. But in twenty twenty, twenty twenty, Baker's on

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Speaker 1: the team. They have Kareem Hunt, who was at the

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Speaker 1: Remember, they had Jarvis Landry who was friends with Odell

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Speaker 2: Like they had a squad. He's it's really.

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Speaker 1: Interesting at that point in time, with that personnel, Cleveland

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Speaker 2: They won eleven games that year.

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Speaker 1: So he's acting like OBJ is acting like they send

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Speaker 1: him to Football Siberia. They didn't. They didn't send him

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Speaker 1: And he got to be with Baker Mayfield, who he

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Speaker 1: like that. So how can you make it make sense

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Speaker 1: to like, how do you bring this all together? I

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Speaker 1: can tell you that in building a college basketball program,

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Speaker 1: the year before me they had a breakout season and

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Speaker 1: they won a team, but previously that single digit wins

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Speaker 1: college athletics, you're paying people, much like in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you've got to figure out who wants to be there,

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Speaker 1: and who's only there because they're I'm only here because

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Speaker 2: I want here because I want to get paid.

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Speaker 1: Because part of diving into a place is diving into

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Speaker 1: being there and to properly paint. What happened to Baker,

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Speaker 1: what happened to OBJ, what happened to the Browns was

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Speaker 1: they had all of this talent, but Odell Beckham Junior

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Speaker 1: didn't want to be there. Baker Mayfield was too immature

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Speaker 1: an underdog. He wanted to carry the underdog status, but

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Speaker 1: you've played for NASH, played for NASH Championship, when you've

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Speaker 1: been a Heisman Trophy winner, when you've been the number

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Speaker 1: So he struggled to carry that crown. OBJ didn't want

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Speaker 1: of the credibility of Baker Mayfield because his dad goes

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Speaker 1: on social media and calls out Baker for missing throws

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Speaker 2: I'm always been good with Baker.

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Speaker 1: I have you go back in and look when he

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Speaker 1: came out of the draft, came out for the draft.

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Speaker 1: I was on Cowhert Show and I said what everybody

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Speaker 1: would run through a brick wall for him. What scouts

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Speaker 1: always told me was better as the underdog, better when

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Speaker 1: players because it's not like he's crazy talented. He's just smart,

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Speaker 1: tough and will will do things, will play above his level.

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Speaker 1: But he's got to level up with guys that are

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Speaker 1: better than him to make plays. He can't bring them

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League. And so when you're building

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Speaker 1: these things college pro, maybe even high school, the first

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Speaker 1: be there. The second thing is you gotta know, Okay,

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Speaker 1: who is who's better? Is the underdog, who's better is

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Speaker 1: same direction. But Baker kind of contextual, kind of gave

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Speaker 1: gave everybody an out by saying, well, yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: too up and down, too emotional, but I'm the same guy. Like, no,

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Speaker 1: you just told everybody you've changed, you evolved, only you

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Speaker 1: want to You want us to feel bad about pointing

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Speaker 1: out your immaturity back when he got.

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Speaker 2: To the Browns, Heck, I'd give him a pass as

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Speaker 2: being immature.

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Speaker 1: No one's ready to be a face of a franchise

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Speaker 1: when you're just a walk on a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of years previously.

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Speaker 1: That's a meteoric rise, the likes of which we've rarely

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Speaker 1: seen in the NFL. But that's what happened, and he

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Speaker 1: wasn't ready for it. He wasn't ready for dealing with

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Speaker 1: the type of personality of Ode Beckham Junior. The Browns

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Speaker 1: weren't ready to deal with a dad who's out there

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Speaker 1: tweeting out all twenty two videos of the quarterback trying

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Speaker 1: to free up his son.

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Speaker 2: No one was ready for all that. And maybe that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't work in Cleveland, right. What works in Cleveland is

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Speaker 2: I just do all right.

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Speaker 1: It's Doug Oallum Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So

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Speaker 1: last night the Yankee season came to an end, but

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Speaker 1: What do we do with Clayton Kershaw's legacy?

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Speaker 1: the hour. Shdor Sanders was allowed to speak to reporters again.

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Speaker 1: What he say you'll find out in twenty minutes and

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Speaker 1: how much can we buy stocking? What Alex Rodriguez is

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Speaker 1: saying as an analyst when there's an obvious amount of bitterness.

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Speaker 2: With management, with the Yankees, I think it's a fair question.

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Speaker 2: It's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to all that this hour. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, let's do something we do every Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We don't call it a throwback.

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Speaker 2: Don't call it a throwback, Jay Stu.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Doug. I'll take it here. I'll take it

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Doug.

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Speaker 3: I want you all here in the studio and our

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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety three? Don't call it a throwback. Thursday

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Speaker 3: ninety three. Why you ask because October of nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 3: thirty two years ago, the Toronto Blue Jays were winning

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Speaker 8: I remember hating those Toronto Blue Jays. There was a

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Speaker 8: Transformative year in football because it was a year where

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Speaker 1: That was Florida State. They finally went undefeated, finally went

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Speaker 1: Charlie Ward. Fast break on turf, that's what they called.

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Speaker 8: Nineteen ninety three was heartbreak for me in college football,

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Speaker 1: Ninety three, the Bulls beat the Suns in the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: This I think he sort of boogied break dancing unbelievable

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Speaker 1: year in movies. Jurassic Park, the first of what is

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Speaker 2: Tombstone all time.

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Speaker 1: A bronx tail. Great scene in a bronx tail to

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Speaker 1: Good one, Missus Doubtfire. Also nineteen ninety three, The Firm,

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Speaker 2: Menace to Society?

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Speaker 2: Cool Runnings was that year. Unbelievableyear.

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Speaker 9: Carlitos Way, another one, just one after another, all hits classics.

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Speaker 1: Listen, what were they listening to when they were when

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Speaker 8: Sam and something else.

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Speaker 9: I was just gonna say, you know, I think Iowans

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Speaker 2: And you know what, uh did not cause that flood.

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Speaker 1: About that's a good friend of mine. We lived together

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Speaker 9: I love Paul, and I think his broadcasting career is

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Speaker 8: Sure what happened in golf, Dan, Well, it's funny you ask,

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Speaker 3: It's funny you bring up Paul Aisinger. I saw him

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, this is still a jam.

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Speaker 3: This is what I call music.

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Speaker 9: Nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 3: There it is by Tag Team.

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Speaker 3: For those who don't remember who tag Team is? Cecil DC,

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Speaker 3: one on the charts for nineteen straight weeks and of

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Speaker 3: course everybody remembers woom Dead is made the all fourteenth

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Speaker 3: on the All Time Greatest Jock Jams All Time list

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Speaker 3: Jock Jam jock Jams.

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Speaker 1: Some other good songs though, I mean think about this, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Rump Shaker was that year. That's a wrexffect.

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Speaker 3: That was a good song.

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Speaker 2: Nothing but a g.

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Speaker 1: Thing, Doctor Dre, I will Always love you, Whitney Houston.

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Speaker 9: Friendly Bodyguard originally written by Jolly Parton, who is in

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Speaker 9: good Spirits A goods by Janet.

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Speaker 8: Action that is a great song. Putting rump Shaker.

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Speaker 2: By s w V that's sisters with voices.

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Speaker 8: Amongst this group, and saying there were a bunch of

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Speaker 8: great songs is just the issue that.

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Speaker 1: To Princess Spin Doctors that sounds like more your jam there,

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Speaker 1: Dan Byer, your spin Doctor totally over.

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Speaker 8: You can be further from the truth. Shows how little

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Speaker 8: you actually do know me so that you would think

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Speaker 8: that I would.

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Speaker 2: Like to spin Doctors. I'm messy with you, Dan, I'm messy.

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Speaker 9: You don't like that song, Dan, I just don't love it.

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Speaker 9: Don't play I don't really it was overplayed.

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Speaker 8: Yeah it's yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, he just doesn't think it's that good. A song, right,

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Speaker 1: it's just not your jam, your type of song.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, like yeah, it's hippy, it's you know, yeah, I

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Speaker 8: guess it's catchy in a way.

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Speaker 1: All that she Wants a Sabass was that song. That's

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Speaker 1: one that still gets played.

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Speaker 9: That's one of Jason's favorites. All that She Wants is another.

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Speaker 1: I'll let You wants, keep you locked in? Also, ice Cube,

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Speaker 1: it was a good day nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 3: Good song.

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Speaker 1: So people have gone back and tracked exactly what day

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Speaker 1: ice Cube was talking about. That was a good day.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys ever seen that on social media?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait the Lakers beat the SuperSonics. Hold on, we

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Speaker 1: got to go back. There's actually people who have pinpointed

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Speaker 1: when he wrote that song.

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Speaker 9: Is that where he messed around and got a triple double?

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Speaker 9: Isn't the same song?

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Speaker 2: Okay, same one?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a good day.

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Speaker 8: I think he needed a team with four syllables, right,

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Speaker 8: Like you wouldn't be like yeah, and you could beat

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Speaker 8: the Lakers beat the Utah Jazz and Rocket.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, Jazz Detroit Pistons doesn't work, SuperSonics does.

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Speaker 8: That's got to be like quick. Lakers beat the Trailblazers,

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Speaker 8: like you got to string it out like that doesn't

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Speaker 8: doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: That's work, doesn't work at all. Anything else happened to nineteenninety.

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Speaker 3: Three, Home Improvement was the favorite TV show of people

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Speaker 3: watching on TV. Seinfeld was in its earlier days. Was

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Speaker 3: ninety three was in its earlier.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was like nineteen ninety one, ninety eight, ninety

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Speaker 9: to ninety eight. Seinfeld was just getting popular because the

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Speaker 9: first season I think with they were like on the

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Speaker 9: brink of cancelation, and then they started to pick up steam.

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Speaker 9: They were in their heyday in ninety three.

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Speaker 8: Seinfeld ran from July fifth, nineteen eighty nine to May fourteenth,

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Speaker 8: nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh so midst their prime at that point.

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Speaker 9: I thought they started ninety But to.

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Speaker 3: Dan's point, last week Monday Football had the eighth largest

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Speaker 3: rated TV show of the year. The TV shows ahead

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Speaker 3: of it included Fraser Coach Grace, under Fire Coach Roseanne Seinfeld,

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Speaker 3: Home Improvement Coach.

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Speaker 9: Hayden Fox based off of.

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Speaker 1: The eight last year the Rams were in were in

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Speaker 1: in Orange County, that right before they moved to set Tracks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Raiders and the Rams took off the same

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Speaker 3: season right later.

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Speaker 1: Is here in ninety three or ninety four, and that

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Speaker 1: is don't call it a come don't call it a

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Speaker 1: throwback Thursday.

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Speaker 3: I don't even really work here.

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Speaker 6: Don't call it a throwback throw back Thursday. Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: It's the Dog Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: It was a hard watch last night with the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: in the eighth inning. So, uh, seventh inning, Clayton Kershaw

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Speaker 1: comes in the game.

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Speaker 7: And.

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Speaker 1: I mean he survived, right, he survived? Uh he ends

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Speaker 1: up putting you know runners on base. Tasker Hernandez makes

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Speaker 1: two outstanding plays in right field. You know they they

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Speaker 1: throw a guy out at at home Ki k Hernandez

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Speaker 1: throws a dude down or no, was it taoskar throws

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Speaker 1: a guy out at home Ki k Hernandez with like

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Speaker 1: all three outs were fantastic defensive plays, and say get

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Speaker 1: they go into the dugout. I remember this is in LA.

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Speaker 1: So you get to the bottom of the seventh inning

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Speaker 1: and down three, get three to one. Clayton Kershaw looked

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Speaker 1: like a defeated man. He looked like he didn't have

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Speaker 1: his stuff. So in the bottom half of the seventh inning,

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Speaker 1: the third out, with Sho heey O Tani coming within,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go three feet of hitting the ball over

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Speaker 1: the fence and making it a three to two ball game,

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Speaker 1: because it was at the very back of the warning track.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you still got a couple more feet

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Speaker 2: to go.

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Speaker 1: I'd say a yard further and it clears the wall

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Speaker 1: four or five feet further. It clears the wall and

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Speaker 1: then some and it's out of the left fielder's reach.

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Speaker 1: But they were that close to making it a one

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Speaker 1: run game at home with an incredible lineup at Chevez Ravine. Granted,

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Speaker 1: they were struggling to do anything with Philly's pitching staff.

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Speaker 2: So what did the Dodgers do.

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Speaker 1: They threw them back out there. Threw them back out there,

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Speaker 1: and what happened next is it just wasn't pretty. Kershaw

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Speaker 1: got shelled. The defense also looked shoddy, as I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they got anybody anybody's been on a team. When the

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Speaker 1: pitcher can't get anybody out and they're hitting rockets, it'll

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Speaker 1: cause you to make airrors. And what was a three

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Speaker 1: to one game became an eight to one game, ultimately

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Speaker 1: an eight two game in the bottom of the ninth inning.

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Speaker 1: Kershaw pitched two full innings, gives up six hits, four

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Speaker 1: earned runs, five runs total, walks three, gives up two

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Speaker 1: home runs, and most of the reason he was brought

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Speaker 1: in was because they won the lefty lefty matchup with

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber, who had hit one in the parking lot

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Speaker 1: earlier in the game and he had another one out

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Speaker 1: against Kershaw. There's a couple of takeaways I have from this,

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Speaker 1: and then I would love your thoughts, Jason Stewart, because

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Speaker 1: you've watched more of Clayton Kershaw's games than anybody in

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Speaker 1: our building and I'm guessing anybody who's listening, and he

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Speaker 1: watched almost all the Dodger games this year. The first

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Speaker 1: thing is this, Clayton Kershaw had a really good year

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Speaker 1: regular season in pitching. What you saw last night is

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Speaker 1: the difference in regular season and postseason. Remember the regular

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Speaker 1: season this year Clayton Kershaw eleven and two, three point

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Speaker 1: three six ERA really surprise year and what'll be his

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Speaker 1: last year as a Dodger at thirty seven years old,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's good. But if you want the difference

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Speaker 1: and you can tell me he didn't have his stuff,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. And I'm not sitting here telling you that

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Speaker 1: he's not a Hall of Famer, he's not an all

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Speaker 1: time great. It diminishes anything at all. What it does

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Speaker 1: is it diminishes regular season versus postseason. This is the

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Speaker 1: perfect example of how much more difficult postseason baseball is,

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Speaker 1: because you're facing a lineup that everybody is locked in

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Speaker 1: on one thing on the scouting port. There's not You're

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Speaker 1: not playing three and then getting on a plane and

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Speaker 1: playing three and then getting on a plane and having

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Speaker 1: a day off and playing four, and getting on a

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Speaker 1: plane and taking a day off and then playing two

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Speaker 1: and then playing three.

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Speaker 2: You're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: You're focused on one team, one scout, you know, one

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Speaker 1: serve source of analytic data, and you've got to be

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Speaker 1: ready to go. And the Phillies were. And if you

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Speaker 1: have anything less than electric stuff, that's what happens to you.

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Speaker 1: Baseball has two different seasons, and if you want to

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Speaker 1: know how different those seasons are, watch Clayton Kershaw the

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Speaker 1: regular season.

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Speaker 2: Watch Clayton Kershaw last night.

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Speaker 1: Every out he got seemed more like luck than every

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Speaker 1: run they scored. But then it brings up the really

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Speaker 1: curious question, which is, I understand why you gave him

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Speaker 1: a look and maybe you want to save some of

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Speaker 1: the bullpen in the seventh and I get that once

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Speaker 1: it got out of hand, once they hit a home run,

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Speaker 1: it was six to three, you're like, or six to one,

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Speaker 1: you're like, Ah, just leave him out there. Why send

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Speaker 1: him back out there in the eighth inning. It's only

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Speaker 1: a two run game. You got five arms in the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: Jay Stu helped me out. Let's start with the second one.

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Speaker 1: They worked back to the first one. Why do you

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Speaker 1: think Dave Roberts stuck him out there in the eighth

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Speaker 1: inning after getting shelled in the seventh inning and they

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Speaker 1: survived to not give up a run when he was

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Speaker 1: in there.

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Speaker 3: I think Dave has been accused of a lot of things,

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Speaker 3: and I think maybe a loyalty to some of the

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Speaker 3: vets is one of the biggest things that he's accused of.

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Speaker 3: I think that it was almost like he wanted to

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Speaker 3: give Kershaw a chance to make good and have a

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Speaker 3: clean inning, and then when it went south. We've seen

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Speaker 3: a history of this recent history of this with the Dodgers,

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Speaker 3: They're more than willing to punt postseason games and wind

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Speaker 3: up the pitching for the next few games. We found

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Speaker 3: out after the game that Tanner Scott, the guy they

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Speaker 3: paid to be a closer who had a horrible season,

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Speaker 3: was out for personal reasons. So he would have been

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Speaker 3: the guy to take all the bullets in that eighth

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Speaker 3: inning happened to be Clayton Kershaw, which was really just

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Speaker 3: sad for us Dodger fans. That's the last time we

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Speaker 3: see him on the mound at Dodger Stadium. That's just sad.

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Speaker 3: It sucked. There's no other way to put it. I

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Speaker 3: think you sum it up pretty nicely. Hard to watch.

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly why Dave brought him out. He

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Speaker 3: said something along the line of we like them up

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Speaker 3: and then it got out of hand. But yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was sad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was That was a tough one to watch

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Speaker 1: because to anybody who knows anything about baseball, you're like,

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Speaker 1: there's one of the greatest pictures of this era and

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Speaker 1: then he gets shelled. And do I think that they

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Speaker 1: survive and go to the next round? Yeah, I do think.

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Speaker 1: You know, they still have two games to win one,

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Speaker 1: and obviously you'd like to win that at the Ravine,

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Speaker 1: not go back to Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: But there is one thing that that that you did

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Speaker 3: not add. You got, you got almost all of it perfect.

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Speaker 3: It's just that he's not a relief pitcher, so the

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Speaker 3: processing getting ready as relievers a whole lot different. So

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give him some grace on this. I

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Speaker 3: think the last time you pitched in the postseason and

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Speaker 3: relief was in twenty seventh World Series nineteen.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't in the World Series during COVID.

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Speaker 3: No, No, that was the guy that beat his wife

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Speaker 3: Kershaw pitch I think in twenty nineteen or twenty seventeen

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Speaker 3: in relief, if not both. And he just hasn't been

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Speaker 3: doing it. So you add his age, you have the

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Speaker 3: fact that he's just very hittable, his slider wasn't working,

656
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Speaker 3: and then the process of going in this isn't his

657
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Speaker 3: regular routine. So yeah, it sucked.

658
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess the question becomes,

659
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Speaker 1: if they win in Game four with a completely fresh

660
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Speaker 1: and rested bullpen, is he like the MVP because he

661
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: took all the bullets?

662
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Speaker 2: But it was hard to watch.

663
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Speaker 1: I mean, he literally couldn't get anybody out. And look,

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Speaker 1: part of this is, this is why I will never

665
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Speaker 1: change my stance on steroid guys in baseball. Hey, because

666
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: what happens with natural age and natural progression, and Kershaw's

667
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Speaker 1: the perfect example of it. He went from being a

668
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Speaker 1: great thrower who could pitch to being kind of the

669
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Speaker 1: combination a pitcher who could throw, and then he had

670
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Speaker 1: his last couple of years. It was all guile and

671
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: intelligence and location and scouting and timing and being a

672
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: lefty and crafty knowing he had very good stuff anymore.

673
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Speaker 1: But he could still, you know, find a way to

674
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Speaker 1: get through six or seven and the Dodgers have the

675
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Speaker 1: best line up in baseball and get it done. But

676
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: that's that's actually normal. It's normal aging. It's like what

677
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: would all of us look like if we don't get

678
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: hair transplant surgery and botox and take ozembic. Right, there's

679
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: a natural regression through age, like gray hairs are okay.

680
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: But steroids changed that, right. Remember Roger Clemens was going

681
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: through a regression when he was in Boston. Then he

682
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: goes to Toronto and all reports are that's when he started

683
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: using steroids. And I was the best picture ball. That

684
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: was sad, but that's usually what it looks like on

685
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: your way out. Hitters look overwhelmed. Pitchers can't get anybody out.

686
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Speaker 1: Now here's the big question. Does it change the series?

687
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Speaker 1: Does it change the series? It's the Doug Gottlieb Show

688
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Fox Sports Radios MOLB insider.

689
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: In the MLB MLB Network reporter John Rossi he joins

690
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Speaker 1: us as we're right in the middle, right in the

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Speaker 1: middle of October and DS baseball. Uh, the Yankees are

692
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Speaker 1: at home, the Dodgers still need to win a game.

693
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Speaker 1: The Cubs force force force to fourth game, just like

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Speaker 1: the the Phillies did as well.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

696
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Speaker 1: And then of course you got Detroit and Seattle of

697
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Speaker 1: the series that that people have forgotten.

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Speaker 2: John, Let's start with the Dodgers.

699
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Speaker 1: I get why you give Clayton Kershaw a look out

700
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: of the bullpen in the seventh but it's three to one. Show,

701
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: Hey hits the ball to the warning track. You come

702
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: into the eighth inning, they throw him back out there

703
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: when he clearly didn't have his stuff. Did the Dodgers

704
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: wave the white flag late in yesterday's game?

705
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Speaker 7: Doug good afternoon. It is a very interesting question, and

706
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Speaker 7: certainly I'll say this, Kershaw had played well enough during

707
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Speaker 7: the stretch run of the regular season to at least

708
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Speaker 7: create some positivity and optimism that he'd be able to

709
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 7: be competitive, if not potentially a difference maker for this

710
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Speaker 7: team in the postseason. Clearly last night was a counter

711
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 7: argument to that optimism, and I would say, Doug that

712
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 7: it was the second inning in him going back out

713
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Speaker 7: there that might be the thing that is garnering the

714
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Speaker 7: most second guessing today, I think you're right that the

715
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 7: Dodgers had decided that they were not going to chase

716
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 7: that win yesterday with their best bullpen pieces, and that

717
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 7: they're going to leave Kershaw in there. But it really

718
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 7: was a tough way to see him go out if

719
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 7: the fact that is his last professional outing there was

720
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Speaker 7: a beautiful send off at the end of the regular season,

721
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Speaker 7: yesterday felt very different in that setting. And now I think,

722
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Speaker 7: Doug that the question becomes with Glass now starting Game four.

723
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Speaker 7: He is not someone who has really gone deep into games,

724
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Speaker 7: and that might be the one bit of important context

725
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 7: for Dave Roberts and the Dodgers that they knew that

726
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 7: their Game four starter is someone who doesn't take you

727
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 7: deep into games. You know that your bullpen is going

728
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Speaker 7: to have to be ready and certainly able to cover

729
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Speaker 7: multiple innings. In relief of Glass now here in Game

730
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Speaker 7: four that they probably did have to play with the

731
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Speaker 7: long term in mind and to give themselves the best

732
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Speaker 7: chance to win Game four and Game five, even though Doug,

733
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Speaker 7: they do not want to go back to Philadelphia. As

734
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Speaker 7: great as they look there at games one and two,

735
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Speaker 7: it is hard to take your chances of winning a

736
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Speaker 7: winner take all game at Citizens Bank Park.

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, I would tend

738
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Speaker 1: to agree with you there.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's get to have you seen a ball hit

740
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Speaker 2: as hard as Swarber's ball was hit?

741
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Speaker 7: The first home run, My goodness, one of the hardest

742
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 7: hit balls certainly that I've ever seen. Actually, I was

743
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 7: at the game yesterday in Detroit. Riley Green had one

744
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 7: of the hardest hit balls he's ever had in that ballpark.

745
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 7: That was absolutely scorched. But I just think with Schwarber,

746
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Speaker 7: the iconic location of Dodger Stadium, and we all, anybody's

747
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 7: ever been fortunate enough to see a game at Dodger

748
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 7: Stadium knows exactly how far that pavilion is, exactly how

749
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 7: far the extreme reach of that stadium is, and to

750
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 7: be able to put a ball that distance from home

751
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 7: plate and project it against this backup that we've seen

752
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 7: so many iconic October moments, Doug, I just think stood

753
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 7: out to a lot of us as being a truly

754
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 7: unique October moment. And now the Phillies. It's amazing what

755
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 7: one game, one inning, one swing can do. It seems

756
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 7: as though just over a couple innings yesterday, Doug, the

757
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 7: Phillies got their attitude back. And this is a very

758
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 7: very confident group that got away I think from their

759
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 7: confidence in games one and two a little bit there.

760
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 7: One went away one really good rally away from bringing

761
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 7: this whole series right back to Philly, and they've got

762
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 7: the right guy in the mound for them. Tonight they

763
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 7: were able to win a game that was started by

764
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 7: Nola yesterday, which was really crucial for them. So I

765
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 7: think they're feeling good, and I'll all of a sudden,

766
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 7: I think the Dodgers have a little bit of pressure

767
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 7: on them to wrap this thing up at home, because

768
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 7: I think they want no part of having to take

769
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 7: that cross country trip and deal with a really, really

770
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 7: repped up fan base there in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: What happens now with the Yankees, you know, Doug, it's

772
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: an important question.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that Aaron Boone will get dismissed. I

774
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 7: don't think he should. I think Aaron Boone is done

775
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 7: with the pieces that he's been given. And I think

776
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 7: what Alex and the guys were talking about in the

777
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 7: panel last night on the Box, I think it was

778
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 7: correct in a lot of ways. It was a roster

779
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 7: that was not the easiest to manage. But when you

780
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 7: look at the rosters that are thriving right now, the

781
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 7: team that just knocked the Yankees out, the Blue Jays,

782
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 7: more athletic, better defense, more adaptability, and just deeper, a

783
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 7: deeper roster. I think the Yankees had a roster of

784
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 7: pieces that didn't quite fit. And when you look at

785
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 7: that and you look at the job that Boone has done.

786
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Speaker 7: As long as Judge remains on board with Boone, and

787
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 7: I think he is, then I have a hard time

788
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 7: thinking that the Yankees are going to make this change

789
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 7: if it's against the wishes of their superstar, who is

790
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 7: of course under contract for longer than anybody else in

791
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 7: that organization save ownership. So that's what I look at.

792
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 7: Maybe they'll make some coaching staff changes. They will certainly

793
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 7: have to make some adjustice to the lineup and Doug.

794
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 7: The scary part of your the Yankees is, I guess

795
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 7: these two things. Number One, you're still not sure exactly

796
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 7: Garrett Cole, your one coming back from surgery, what he's

797
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 7: going to be able to do for you. And the

798
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 7: second part of it is a lot of your other

799
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 7: key players this season, Trent Grisham and Cody Bellinger the

800
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 7: name two are free agents. So the Yankees have some

801
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 7: work to do to just get back to being as

802
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 7: good as they were this year, which was not good enough.

803
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 7: And of course it's all happening. The Mets have their

804
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 7: own questions, so it's going to be a very very

805
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 7: busy off season of reporting, I think for all of

806
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 7: my colleagues who are based there in New York City.

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Speaker 1: Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, John,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to figure out the Cubs. Brewers did

809
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 1: put a runner, a second nobody out down a run

810
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: in the eighth inning, so the Cubs kind of survived

811
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: the Brewers, But do you think they can carry over

812
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: this momentum and win two more.

813
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Speaker 7: The Brewers are the better team. The Brewers I believe

814
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 7: will eventually win this series. I think they're a little

815
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 7: bit deeper, They're a little more creative and how they

816
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 7: can potentially approach you with their different bullpen games and

817
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 7: other philosophies like that. I just think they're a better team.

818
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 7: But I tell you what, Doug, the baseball world is

819
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 7: getting to know Michael Bush, who, in my opinion, is

820
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 7: one of the more overlooked, really good young players in

821
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 7: Major League Baseball. A thirty plus homer bad at first base,

822
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 7: he was really just blocked from playing time in LA

823
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 7: because he was behind Freddie Freeman. So the Cubs very

824
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 7: wisely acquire from the Dodgers and look at the poweries

825
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 7: bringing down the leadoff spot. He's been able to do

826
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 7: that multiple times in this series. So I'm a big

827
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 7: Michael Bush fan. I just think that overall, top to bottom,

828
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 7: the better fundamental team, the better team, the deeper roster

829
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 7: belongs to the Brewers. And wouldn't that be quite a

830
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 7: contrast if it ends up being one of the smallest

831
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 7: markets in all of sports, Milwaukee going up against either

832
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 7: of the Phillies and the Dodgers for the National League Championship.

833
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 7: That's still what I see is the most likely outcome,

834
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 7: although you've got to give the Cubs some credit for

835
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 7: being adaptable enough, and of course that Matthew Boyd a

836
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 7: huge task for him tonight. He did not look good

837
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 7: in Game one. There were some mistakes made defensively behind him,

838
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 7: and now for Matthew a real chance to make amends

839
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 7: for that here in a crucial Game four at home.

840
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the Detroit Seattle series.

841
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Speaker 7: It's all about Trek Scooble on the mound, and he

842
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 7: has been beaten by the Mariners multiple times this season,

843
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 7: and of course he didn't take the loss in Game

844
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 7: two on Sunday, but the Mayors are able to win

845
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 7: that game that he started. I tend to think that

846
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 7: a pitcher of Schoobul's ability and mental strength will just

847
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 7: will his team to a victory and a winner take

848
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 7: all game in Seattle. Of course, you know the backstory, Well,

849
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 7: he went to college there. There's a lot of different

850
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 7: threads of his narrative that intersect with that city. So

851
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 7: it's an ideal stage. Friday Night, the only game going

852
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 7: in baseball, and yet at the flip side of things, Seattle,

853
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 7: to me, Doug, when everything is firing, they have the

854
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 7: better lineup. They showed that, in my opinion in Game

855
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 7: three before the Tigers then were able to flip the

856
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 7: script and just stringing us really good at bats, where

857
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 7: all of a sudden they turned the clock back to

858
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 7: June when they were the best team in baseball for

859
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 7: stretch at the time. So it's a really interesting dynamic.

860
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be Schooble getting to win.

861
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 7: I just have a hard time believing that the Tigers

862
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 7: are going to lose four schoobl starts to the same

863
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 7: team in one year. He's bound to get a victory

864
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 7: against Seattle. And if he does that, plaintively headed east

865
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 7: from Seattle to Toronto. For the Tigers have a chance

866
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 7: to play the Jays in the postseason for the very

867
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 7: first time. And of course, the Tigers haven't won World

868
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 7: Series since eighty four, the Jays not since ninety three,

869
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 7: so some serious droughts would be potentially expunged if that

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Speaker 7: ends up being the matchup, and honestly, it ends up

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Speaker 7: being in Seattle, so it's quite a story too, because

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Speaker 7: Seattle the only active franchise, Doug that has never been

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Speaker 7: the World Series.

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Speaker 2: Crazy stuff. Hey John, you're the best man.

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Speaker 1: Love your energy, love your passion, love how you cover

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Speaker 1: the sport and give us your own thoughts and it

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Speaker 1: comes from such a place of knowledge. Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: our guest on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 7: Hey thanks, Doug, really appreciate it. I always enjoyed this

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Speaker 7: time of year, my friend, and look forward to catching

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Speaker 7: up next time.