Speaker 1: I Am all in again. Oh it's you. I Am
Speaker 1: All in Town meeting with Suzanne French and Tara suit
Speaker 1: An iHeartRadio podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of I'm All in Town Meeting with myself, Tara, and Susanne.
Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 1: Hello. We're talking about Season two, Episode four, road Trip
Speaker 1: to Harvard, which aired October twenty three, two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: and this is a special episode I kind of forget,
Speaker 1: you know, it's really funny. Out of all things that
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember about this episode is the outfit that
Speaker 1: Rory wore going to Harvard, because she had this thick
Speaker 1: gray sweater wrapped around her and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's going Harvard because of this outfit.
Speaker 2: I hated the T shirt she had on. I even
Speaker 2: mentioned it to my husband, like it just was I
Speaker 2: don't know, it was too tight. And when they were
Speaker 2: standing there staring at the library and she just was
Speaker 2: she like standing like just in this weird position, her
Speaker 2: mouth was hanging open. I don't know, I just I
Speaker 2: did not like that outfit.
Speaker 1: I didn't mind it, but I was just like, why'd
Speaker 1: they give her this giant gray sweater to wrap around her? Waist.
Speaker 1: Mind you if you remember back then, it was totally
Speaker 1: instyl to wrap around yeah, and then it like went
Speaker 1: away and it was like such a like not cool
Speaker 1: thing to do. And I always tie my sweater around
Speaker 1: my waist now, like always because I'm like, well it's hot,
Speaker 1: so but I'm gonna be cold later. But like for
Speaker 1: a TV show for them to just like have her
Speaker 1: wrap around this sweater was it was just so funny
Speaker 1: to me. I was like, Laurelin doesn't have a sweater on, yeah,
Speaker 1: or maybe she did, but it wasn't wrapped. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was just and the other since we're talking fashion
Speaker 2: at the end, the last scene, the sideways baseball cap
Speaker 2: on Rory, that was not working for me.
Speaker 1: Oh, speaking of hats, while we're here, the man in
Speaker 1: the diner with this blue, wrinkly bucket hat kiss me
Speaker 1: off the whole time, and he was right in the shot.
Speaker 1: And then actually Luke mentioned like, oh, nice hat, like
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm like, no, this hat was so distracting
Speaker 1: in the diner. It was pissing me off there. You know.
Speaker 2: I think that we could do like a whole episode
Speaker 2: about bad hats in this series because there's a problem
Speaker 2: with hats.
Speaker 1: It was just wrinkly, Like why why couldn't we like
Speaker 1: iron it out a little? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It was like they found and also what was the
Speaker 1: point of the hat? Like, yeah, it wasn't needed. And
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Saying that sarcastically because he was like making fun of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe, but like I don't know, it
Speaker 1: was just we didn't need the hat. Yeah, no, it
Speaker 1: was just it was just funny. I'm so happy you
Speaker 1: also noticed that hat, because I was like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: this stupid hat.
Speaker 2: The hats were bad.
Speaker 1: You know. The interesting thing about this episode and when
Speaker 1: it comes to doing our town meeting is when you're
Speaker 1: out of the town, I don't have much to like
Speaker 1: call out because we're in such a different place. However,
Speaker 1: I do know that Harvard is actually UCLA. It is
Speaker 1: which is the school that you went to?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 2: I went to UCLA. So when they first the very
Speaker 2: first time I saw this episode and I saw them
Speaker 2: standing there, I'm like, that is UCLA. Like I knew
Speaker 2: it immediately, and I can picture, like I know, watching
Speaker 2: the whole thing, I could picture exactly where they were
Speaker 2: in everything.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what I was gonna ask. I was gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: do you know what building these were? And yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So the funny part was that when they first get
Speaker 2: there and they're standing there looking at the gate, when
Speaker 2: they're looking through the gate, that was in the sculpture garden.
Speaker 2: But when when the so when the camera's looking at
Speaker 2: them from the back there in one yeah, but when
Speaker 2: the camera's looking at them from the front, they're in
Speaker 2: a completely different place.
Speaker 1: Well you can tell because the lighting. There's sun hitting
Speaker 1: them from the back or from the side. So then
Speaker 1: I was like, they totally just shot this, Like was
Speaker 1: it still on UCLA property just a different place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on campus. It just was in a different spot.
Speaker 1: I could tell because the lighting and it was bugging
Speaker 1: me right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I noticed that too. There was another scene too
Speaker 2: where they were uh oh, when they were at the
Speaker 2: coffee cart and it was sunny, and then when they're
Speaker 2: walking across the lawn it was all of a sudden overcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is I guess. You know, it's hard
Speaker 1: to do when you're you can't control the weather, right.
Speaker 2: Especially if you only have like if you have to
Speaker 2: get everything done in one day and it takes time
Speaker 2: to shift and move everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can happen. I feel like the chessure Cat
Speaker 1: was like such a thing, but it was only in
Speaker 1: this episode, right, we don't see it again?
Speaker 2: They so, yeah, we only saw it in this episode.
Speaker 2: Although in the the episode where the independence in burns down,
Speaker 2: they mentioned the cheshire Cat, but it doesn't It sounds
Speaker 2: like they're not referring to this place.
Speaker 1: It's like they just read yeah.
Speaker 2: Because Michelle's on the phone and he's like, is this
Speaker 2: the cheshire Cat? Do you have any job openings? Like
Speaker 2: the all the fires happening. But they're trying to put
Speaker 2: guests there too, so it wouldn't be close enough if
Speaker 2: it's chesher Cat, it wouldn't be close enough for them
Speaker 2: to put guests there.
Speaker 1: No, they took a I think they just pulled road
Speaker 1: trip to get to the chesshure Cat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was so I don't know. I
Speaker 2: thought those scenes were hilarious.
Speaker 1: Though, Oh my god, when she literally when they go
Speaker 1: into the room and they open the door and lare
Speaker 1: realize like, ah, what's wrong. She's like flowers, so many flowers.
Speaker 2: I have researched this and I didn't come up with anything,
Speaker 2: but there. I don't know if if any of our
Speaker 2: listeners will remember this, but there was a short story
Speaker 2: I read it in college in an English class called
Speaker 2: The Yellow Wallpaper, and it was about this woman who's
Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact story, but her husband like
Speaker 2: puts her, he like puts her.
Speaker 1: In a room.
Speaker 2: It's like a mental health thing, and she starts to
Speaker 2: see the wallpaper like coming alive, and it's like really creepy,
Speaker 2: and she's like kind of descending into further into mental illness.
Speaker 2: And I almost wonder like if that was a very
Speaker 2: oblique reference to that short story, because it's the it's
Speaker 2: this yellow floral wallpaper and they're talking about how it's
Speaker 2: moving because it's you know, it's.
Speaker 1: About the fact I wouldn't be surprised knowing Amy and Dan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Amy's very literary, so I I but it's
Speaker 2: it's not a like super well known short story, but
Speaker 2: it just always made me wonder like it just made
Speaker 2: an impression on me when I read it thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: and so I immediately thought of that when I.
Speaker 1: I loved the moment where they're like we have like
Speaker 1: a nine minute window or whatever time they said to
Speaker 1: go get food and they go down there and everyone's
Speaker 1: bird watching, and I know, we don't.
Speaker 2: Put things like this on the freaking list.
Speaker 1: It kind of gave us the quirkiness of stars Hollow
Speaker 1: that we didn't get in a different town.
Speaker 2: It really did, like it really would have fit right
Speaker 2: in with stars Hollow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wouldn't have been surprised if it was like
Speaker 1: the next town over and then they're like there was
Speaker 1: a whole like storyline with the Cheshire Like I kind
Speaker 1: of would have liked it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I thought it was great. And the
Speaker 2: actress that played Ladawn, I've seen her in other things.
Speaker 2: She was I don't know if you ever saw bless
Speaker 2: this Mess. It was. It only had two seasons. It
Speaker 2: was with Dax Shephard and Rose Abdu was actually in.
Speaker 1: It, oh okay, and it was very it was.
Speaker 2: About it was kind of the stereotypical story this New
Speaker 2: York young couple moves to farm country to it was
Speaker 2: like a green Acre's kind of story. Almost. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like this town full of quirky people, just like stars Hollow.
Speaker 2: And she was one of the one of the people
Speaker 2: in the town in that series. And she was really
Speaker 2: good and She also played in My Name Is Earl.
Speaker 2: She played them she was Earl's mom for Oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so I've seen her so she was great. And then
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who remembers la Law. Susan Rutan
Speaker 2: was the couple that Rory was talking to when Laurel
Speaker 2: I went to make a phone call and she was, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was for l A Law. So it was nice
Speaker 2: to see her again.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know, I have never seen anything they
Speaker 1: were in, but they were great in this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just the whole, the whole little inn I
Speaker 2: just thought was hilarious.
Speaker 1: So cute. A couple of call outs I had was
Speaker 1: some of the scenes at Harvard. I was really like,
Speaker 1: who's whose dorm door is? Just and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: go in it and sit on the bed. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: mind you. I thought it was really funny the like
Speaker 1: you know Susie, like there's a thirty percent chance her
Speaker 1: name is Susie like Lauren or sorry Loralai being like
Speaker 1: quirky like that was really fun, but it was just
Speaker 1: like not realistic to like just walk into someone's dorm
Speaker 1: And also like, don't like dorms. I never lived in
Speaker 1: a dorm. But like both of those buildings have like
Speaker 1: key cards to like scan in, so.
Speaker 2: Yes, they they do. So that part was a little
Speaker 2: unrealistic because even when I lived in a dorm in
Speaker 2: the nineties, we had to swipe our badge to get
Speaker 2: in like our student id cars.
Speaker 1: And even then your door is not left wide open.
Speaker 2: Well, no, we did. It depends on the dorm that
Speaker 2: you lived in. Because some of the dorms only had
Speaker 2: one bathroom per floor, so it wasn't that uncommon you'd
Speaker 2: prop your door open if you were just gonna run
Speaker 2: to the bathroom and come out. Oh okay, I don't
Speaker 2: know that that was necessarily I mean we saw the room.
Speaker 2: There was no bathroom in there, so.
Speaker 1: There was barely room for a bed, right, So when.
Speaker 2: That part was okay to me because we did do that,
Speaker 2: like you'd prop out it open and run like or
Speaker 2: you'd okay, so you know, take your friend, you know,
Speaker 2: borrow a pen or something like, you might do that.
Speaker 2: But it was still it made me nervous when she
Speaker 2: was in there though, I'm like, get out of the room,
Speaker 2: get out of the radow.
Speaker 1: The whole time I couldn't pay attention to the scene
Speaker 1: because I was like, the person living in this room
Speaker 1: is about to walk in.
Speaker 2: And I did notice that when Laurlai took the picture
Speaker 2: of Rory at the desk, she sets her coffee cup
Speaker 2: down and then she leaves without her coffee cup.
Speaker 1: So I did notice that, and also she like completely
Speaker 1: like well, I couldn't at first. I was like, is
Speaker 1: this her notebook? And I'm like, oh no, it's a
Speaker 1: notebook just there and she just like shuts it and
Speaker 1: moves on. But yeah, she loft the coffee cup.
Speaker 2: The lecture hall that they were in. I thought that
Speaker 2: was a cute scene. Marory just like jumps in and
Speaker 2: starts participating.
Speaker 1: She was always yeah, so yes. And then when you know,
Speaker 1: when Laura I is outside looking at the Valedictorians. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I had to stop the episode because they zoomed
Speaker 1: in on one specific person and lorale I kept looking
Speaker 1: at someone named Erica Hilson Palmer, and I was like,
Speaker 1: did I miss something from the show? Like is this
Speaker 1: someone that like I was supposed to know about or
Speaker 1: then I'm like racking my brain of like do we
Speaker 1: see this person in the future? And I found this
Speaker 1: article if you guys google, like who is Erica Hilson
Speaker 1: Palmer and Gilmore girls. It's like the top article that
Speaker 1: comes up. It's really long, so I'm not going to
Speaker 1: read it for you, But basically they were they think,
Speaker 1: like there is a theory could be wrong that this
Speaker 1: is someone that Laura I knew like growing up, because
Speaker 1: it said she graduated in nineteen ninety and it would
Speaker 1: have lined up with when Laura I graduated college. So
Speaker 1: it literally just could have been someone she knew, and
Speaker 1: she's looking at like the life she maybe could have had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I partially agree with that. I don't think she
Speaker 2: actually knew that person, but I think she did. I
Speaker 2: think she was thinking this could have been me because
Speaker 2: she would have been the class of nineteen ninety and
Speaker 2: she did. At the end of the episode, when she's
Speaker 2: back at Luke's diner, she says to him how she
Speaker 2: was thinking about all the things she had to give up, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because of her situation and the things that might have
Speaker 2: been that weren't ever gonna happen now. So I think
Speaker 2: it's true that she's thinking about the possibilities of like
Speaker 2: what if I had been able.
Speaker 1: To go to college because of her graduating years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think she necessarily knew that person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is what people were saying, like it could
Speaker 1: have been specifically about the year because there's only one
Speaker 1: valedictorian a year. I would think, yeah, typically typically, so
Speaker 1: it would have been nineteen ninety. But I think it
Speaker 1: just threw me off because I was like, and it
Speaker 1: kept going. It wasn't like a second like it was.
Speaker 1: It showed her, and then it showed Laura, and then
Speaker 1: it showed her again, and I'm like, is this something
Speaker 1: I missed missing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they showed it again after Laura, after Rory
Speaker 2: comes out of the classroom, they start to walk away,
Speaker 2: she like looks at it again as they're passing by.
Speaker 2: So they aid a point to show it for sure.
Speaker 1: To show it. Yeah, But you know, the more I
Speaker 1: think about it, it definitely had to do with the
Speaker 1: year because I kind of I didn't fully connect the
Speaker 1: dots of I was just thinking of the person and
Speaker 1: not the year. But when you say at the end
Speaker 1: where she was talking to Luke about like, oh what
Speaker 1: could have been and this and that, it was more of, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if she was graduating that year and she didn't have Rory,
Speaker 1: what would life be like?
Speaker 2: Yeah? My only bone to pick with this episode is
Speaker 2: when they come home and they pull up to the
Speaker 2: house and lorele I sees there's like, we don't know
Speaker 2: yet what she's seeing, but she gets a look on
Speaker 2: her face because she sees something. And then it turns
Speaker 2: out she's looking at the hoopa that's still in front
Speaker 2: of the front door. I when I first watched the
Speaker 2: episode way back when I thought Max was gonna be
Speaker 2: sitting there.
Speaker 1: Oh, and when she's.
Speaker 2: Looking at the hoopa, I was kind of disappointed, like
Speaker 2: because we never saw Max getting the news that the
Speaker 2: wedding is off. Oh, you're right, And so I've always
Speaker 2: felt like, I mean, that's kind of just how Amy
Speaker 2: Sherman Palladino works, Like she leaves the important things to
Speaker 2: your imagine, like she'll hint at it, but yeah, you
Speaker 2: leave stuff to your imagination. But it's that that one
Speaker 2: thing is just kind of always bugged me that we
Speaker 2: never saw Max getting the news. So I assume that
Speaker 2: Laura I must have called him at some point during
Speaker 2: she didn't leave him at the altar because the wedding
Speaker 2: hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: It hasn't happened, you know, I'm gonna say she never
Speaker 1: called him, and like Suki made the call or something.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, that's a lot to put on Suki, though.
Speaker 1: Suki told the whole town.
Speaker 2: Well, but Suki told Miss Patty and.
Speaker 1: The true, true, true.
Speaker 2: But that would be a lot to put on your
Speaker 2: best friend, Like can you call my fiance and tell
Speaker 2: him I'm not going to marry him?
Speaker 1: Like that's but just knowing knowing Laurela, I, I I
Speaker 1: don't think that she called him right away, mind you.
Speaker 1: I think she called him eventually, but I feel like
Speaker 1: she left town and then decided when she call him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think she called him before they left town.
Speaker 2: But but then when they meet up later, like there's
Speaker 2: something there's there's an episode I want to say, season
Speaker 2: three where she meets up with him again at when
Speaker 2: they were going to be on CNN or something, and
Speaker 2: when Paris finds out she didn't get into Harvard anyways.
Speaker 2: That episode, she runs into him and she makes the
Speaker 2: comment about how like I never talked to you or
Speaker 2: we never talked about it. She says something about how
Speaker 2: they never talked about it. But I can't believe that
Speaker 2: she just didn't tell him at that, like she couldn't
Speaker 2: just disappear.
Speaker 1: She probably just left a voicemail, to be honest.
Speaker 2: And that could be it. Yeah, maybe she did, but
Speaker 2: we just never know, so we just have to imagine
Speaker 2: what we think happened, because they never do tell us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it was up to me, I would think
Speaker 1: she made the decision, left town and was like, how
Speaker 1: am I going to tell him this? And then she
Speaker 1: called him when she knew that he wasn't going to
Speaker 1: be home. She left a voicemail and that was the
Speaker 1: end of it. And they never had because I think
Speaker 1: even if like he did pick up the phone hypothetically,
Speaker 1: like that would be an exchange of a conversation, but
Speaker 1: it sounds like from and I don't remember the scene.
Speaker 1: I know, I remember the gist of the scene. I
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly what was said that you're talking about
Speaker 1: in that episode, but from that, it makes me feel
Speaker 1: like he never got to say his piece, and so
Speaker 1: it was just it was larelized decision and that was it.
Speaker 1: And like then at the end when they're at the
Speaker 1: Gilmour's house and she's telling Emily, and Emily's like whose
Speaker 1: decision was? And she was like mine. It was very
Speaker 1: just like there was no conversation. I made the decision.
Speaker 1: I did like going to that scene. I did like
Speaker 1: the banter about the gift, yes, and I did like
Speaker 1: that Emily didn't give her that heart of a time, like,
Speaker 1: she didn't really give her hard time. She kind of
Speaker 1: was just like. But then again, I think that Emily
Speaker 1: didn't want her to get married, so maybe internally she
Speaker 1: was happy about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Emily is still holding out for Lorelei
Speaker 2: to find somebody that is of the appropriate So standing
Speaker 2: yes for Emily's opinion, but yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: she had kind of accepted it because she knows that
Speaker 2: she can't. She's not gonna change Laurelized mind on anything.
Speaker 2: So I think she was you know, she got them
Speaker 2: a gift and all that, but I think she was
Speaker 2: happy that it wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And the next episode is I am so excited And
Speaker 1: I know our producer Jackie has never seen this either.
Speaker 1: Next episode is season two, episode five, Nick and Nora
Speaker 1: sit and Nancy and if you don't know, this is
Speaker 1: where we see Jess for the first time.
Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite episodes in the entire
Speaker 2: seventh season.
Speaker 1: It's so good on again. Okay, so I didn't know
Speaker 1: this is the one that Jess. So you guys did
Speaker 1: a little spoil what we I bet you We're gonna
Speaker 1: get off the zoom and Jackie's gonna go watch it
Speaker 1: the second.
Speaker 2: It's so good. I love it.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I feel like the next episode. Do
Speaker 1: we need Jackie, We need you to give us your
Speaker 1: take on your first impression of Jess because of someone,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like to have that feeling again, satisfaction.
Speaker 1: I will for sure write notes and give you my take.
Speaker 2: Okay cool.
Speaker 1: Jackie will jump in next week and we'll talk to
Speaker 1: her about it. But until next week, meeting adjourn everybody,
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