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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for

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Speaker 1: downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Last Dance, Last Chance,

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Speaker 1: Full Love addition, as the Bengals play their final game

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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty season and try to end it

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Speaker 1: with a three game winning streak as they host the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. Coming up, Dave Lapham joins me to discuss

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Speaker 1: the latest Bengals news and the possibility that A. J.

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Speaker 1: Bengals uniform. One on one player interview this week is

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Speaker 1: actually with a former player, Chris Collinsworth, as the Sunday

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Speaker 1: Night Football analyst discusses t Higgins, Joe Burrow and what

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Speaker 1: the Bengal should prioritize in the off season. And in

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Speaker 1: our Know the Faux segment, we'll discuss the Ravens with

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Speaker 1: a former Baltimore linebacker who also played football and basketball

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Speaker 1: at UC, Brad Jackson. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented

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Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since The Queen's Gambit. Back in

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Speaker 1: mid November, after the Bengals bye week, Joe Burrow was

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Speaker 1: asked what he did with his time off, and Joe

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Speaker 1: said that he relaxed and watched a lot of TV,

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Speaker 1: including The Queen's Gambit on Netflix. Well, my wife and

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Speaker 1: I started watching it last week, and Joe Burrow has

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Speaker 1: good taste. It's excellent. We've seen five of the seven

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Speaker 1: episodes and who knew that the story of a female

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Speaker 1: chess prodigy could be so suspenseful. But don't take my

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Speaker 1: word for it. Trust Joe Burrow and check out The

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Speaker 1: Queen's Gambit. Now, let's get to football, beginning with my

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Speaker 1: broadcast partner Dave Lapham, as we begin by taking care

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Speaker 1: of something that was missing at the end of last

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Speaker 1: week's win in Houston. Lap After last week's victory in Houston,

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Speaker 1: right now. Are you ready? Let's do it all right?

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Speaker 1: Here it goes. Sam Hubbard forces the fumble, Marcus Hunt recovers,

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Speaker 1: and that should be coffin nails. Bam Bam. Courtesy is Sam.

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Speaker 1: That's good. You know, Marty Brennaman occasionally forgot to say

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Speaker 1: and this one belongs to the Reds over the years,

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Speaker 1: so I don't feel too bad about it. Was great

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Speaker 1: to see the Bengals finally win a road game for

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Speaker 1: Ravens this Sunday at Paul Brown Stadium. Let's hear from

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Speaker 1: Jesse Bates, te Higgins, and Zach Taylor on the importance

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Speaker 1: of finishing strong. It's been really cool to see how

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Speaker 1: A lot of teams don't do this. Um, a lot

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Speaker 1: it's important at the end of the day simply because

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Speaker 1: You feel differently on Sunday evening and Monday morning. Um,

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Speaker 1: And Okay, we want all the things we did let

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Speaker 1: they would have drafted Justin Herbert. Absolutely, And I prefer

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Speaker 1: set up and you push off that back foot, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you're dropping and then you redirect and and you're

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Speaker 1: putting a lot of pressure on that on that knee,

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Speaker 1: whether it be the follow through or the you know,

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Speaker 1: the plant foot. So um, he looked, he looked fine,

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Speaker 1: but again he didn't even I can't tell you the

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Speaker 1: number of times I saw Carson Palmer run, you know,

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Speaker 1: so it a little bit different dynamic there, I think

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Speaker 1: in terms of style of play. U. But again, medical

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Speaker 1: advancements or significant from one Carson Palmer had a urgery,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're much better, and I think I think

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Speaker 1: Joe is gonna I think he's gonna make a full

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Speaker 1: complete you know, it might be one of those deals

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Speaker 1: where it to be like a bionic thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: Jeez looks like he's stronger and faster than he was before.

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Speaker 1: You're seeing a lot of guys have surgery and it's like, wow,

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Speaker 1: they even look stronger than before they had the surgery.

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Speaker 1: It's it's crazy what they're doing with, you know, sports

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Speaker 1: medicine these days. I remember with Carson they used cadavers ligament. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: are they still doing that these days? Or I think

445
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Speaker 1: they take it from a different part of the body. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now they're taking it from like in a part of

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Speaker 1: the achilles or part of another tendon or you know,

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Speaker 1: the quad tendon. Yeah, they're taking it rather than a

449
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Speaker 1: cadaver because I mean, you know, a cadaver body is

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Speaker 1: obviously dead tissue, you know, And if you can get

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Speaker 1: tissue that's not like that, your chances of having a

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Speaker 1: more complete and successful recovery might be better. So that's

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Speaker 1: another improvement. Now, time for this week's one on one interview.

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Speaker 1: As lap and I mentioned, te Higgins is on the

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Speaker 1: verge of breaking a team record that Chris Collinsworth set

456
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Speaker 1: thirty nine years ago, most receptions in a season by

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Speaker 1: a Bengals rookie. I spoke to Chris about that and

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Speaker 1: more this week. Beginning with the second round draft pick

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Speaker 1: out of Clemson, te Higgins is special. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: has the ability to go up with those contested catches.

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Speaker 1: He has big, strong hands going over the middle, seems

462
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Speaker 1: to have no fear whatsoever. It's amazing how easily these

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Speaker 1: guys catch the ball. I'd like to play with their

464
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Speaker 1: gloves on just one time. I'd like to just try it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they literally just sticks in their hands. It's

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Speaker 1: He's a big, powerful guy, and he's going to be

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Speaker 1: very worthy of hopefully carrying that new record on for

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Speaker 1: about the next thirty nine years or so. He's six

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Speaker 1: four tremendous athletic ability. Do you marvel at the size

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Speaker 1: and speed of the guys that are playing the position

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Speaker 1: you used to play, You know, it's a different thing.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like, you know, Dan Ross was about the

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Speaker 1: size of te Higgins back in the day and he

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Speaker 1: was playing tight end on our team. But the guys

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Speaker 1: are just so big and physical and still are able

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Speaker 1: to maintain that speed. You know. With t the one

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Speaker 1: thing that I see watching him is that you know,

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Speaker 1: he I don't know what his forty yard dash time was.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it was good. But with a lot of

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Speaker 1: taller guys and those long striders that the more they're

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Speaker 1: down the field, the fashion they get, you know, forty

482
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Speaker 1: yard dash usually favors the small, quick guys who get

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Speaker 1: the first ten yards quickly. They're good out of the start.

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Speaker 1: But the great deep ball receivers that I see are

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Speaker 1: the ones that have that long stride that gobble up

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Speaker 1: a lot of yards after they get started. Because you're

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Speaker 1: never it's always changing speed, you know, It's like a

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Speaker 1: pitcher in baseball. You're just trying to change speeds on

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Speaker 1: how you approach the game. And man, when he hits

490
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Speaker 1: the jets on the back end to some of that

491
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Speaker 1: stuff and then his ability to go up and high

492
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Speaker 1: point that ball, he's going to be special. We're talking

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Speaker 1: to Chris collins Worth. Let's talk about Joe Burrow. After

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Speaker 1: his injury, you tweeted, I love Joe Burrow and I

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Speaker 1: haven't even met him yet. What do you love? I

496
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Speaker 1: love the fact that a he's from Ohio be He's

497
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Speaker 1: given Bengals fans a new form of hope. I mean

498
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Speaker 1: a hope that not just will they be good again,

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Speaker 1: but they have the chance to be great again, and

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Speaker 1: they have a chance to win a Super Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: I just love his demeanor. I love the way he

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Speaker 1: carried himself from the first day that he came to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: He was all business all the time. And I think

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Speaker 1: at the quarterback position, you really need somebody with that

505
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Speaker 1: level of buy end right from the start, because then

506
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Speaker 1: the guys around him start thinking, and man, that that

507
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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback's going to study that hard. I better start

508
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Speaker 1: getting in my playbook here a little bit too. So

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Speaker 1: I think that he represents sort of the work ethic

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati in a way that it really makes us

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Speaker 1: all proud. And when he got hurt, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh no. And I remember Brandon Graham telling me the

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Speaker 1: story from the Philadelphia Eagles. Apparently it was kind of

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Speaker 1: a borderline late hit or big hit or something, and

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow turned around and look at the referee and

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Speaker 1: didn't get the flag, and he just turned back to

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Speaker 1: Brandon Graham and he said, you know, when I'm the goat,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get that call. And I mean, Brandon

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Speaker 1: Graham said it was one of the great lines they

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Speaker 1: ever heard. But they were so impressed with how tough

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was that they almost killed him that day.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't remember that game. They got some

523
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Speaker 1: shots on him like you could not believe, and Joe

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Speaker 1: just coming back and asked for more and kept delivering.

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Speaker 1: He's the kind of guy you want leading your franchise. Chris,

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Speaker 1: I was looking at your TV schedule this year. You've

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Speaker 1: had Russell Wilson couple of times, Aaron Rodgers three times,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes three times, Tom Brady a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: In the current NFL Do you need one of those

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Speaker 1: guys to contend for a Super Bowl title? I think so.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you can't. You go back to the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens winning it in two thousand based almost entirely

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Speaker 1: on their defense. But sure is a lot easier path,

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Speaker 1: you know, it really is. I mean, those guys are

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Speaker 1: the ones that are going to touch the ball every

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Speaker 1: single time. It seems like a simple concept, but it's

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Speaker 1: really the truth. The guy who's going to handle the

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Speaker 1: football every single play, and even on running plays, you know,

539
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Speaker 1: the ability to play fake or bootleg fake or whatever,

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Speaker 1: at least put the fear of what those great quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: can do down the field. It's just awfully hard to

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Speaker 1: win without one of those top eight ten guys. The

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty season is about over for the Bengals. What

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Speaker 1: would you prioritize in terms of the draft and free

545
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Speaker 1: agency offensive line play. I just think that they've got

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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. I hope to goodness knock on wood

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Speaker 1: that he comes out of this thing. Okay, but you know,

548
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Speaker 1: and as good as te Higgins has been, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think you've got to prioritize some of those higher

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Speaker 1: draft picks now to try and make sure we keep

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Speaker 1: him alive for as long as possible. And it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be who knows what the start of the season will be.

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Speaker 1: I hope that Joe comes along and it's ready right

554
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Speaker 1: from the start, but if not, you've got to You've

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Speaker 1: got to put yourself in position to win at that

556
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Speaker 1: offensive line position. I played with some teams that went

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, and we always had great offensive

558
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Speaker 1: lineman and you know, led by Anthony Munios all those years,

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Speaker 1: you've become the majority owner of Pro Football Focus, You've

560
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Speaker 1: created about one hundred jobs in downtown Cincinnati. Do you

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Speaker 1: marvel at the interest out there in data where pro

562
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Speaker 1: and college football is concerned. Yeah, I mean it's America's

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Speaker 1: distraction right now, you know. I think it really is

564
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Speaker 1: that we're all whether it's fantasy football or now with

565
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Speaker 1: legalized gambling, that people need and want more and more

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Speaker 1: and more information and they're not just watching football anymore,

567
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Speaker 1: they're participating in it. The fantasy football leagues are passionate.

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Speaker 1: They just came out of their championship round and I

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Speaker 1: can't go anywhere without somebody asking me some questions. And

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Speaker 1: now the more and more that we're able to go

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Speaker 1: on our cell phones and people are going to be

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Speaker 1: able to make wagers on do you think Joe Barrow

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Speaker 1: will be over or under three hundred yards this week?

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Speaker 1: It just adds another reason to watch football, which is

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Speaker 1: good for all of us. But it's it's been a

576
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Speaker 1: pretty amazing ride with PFF and I'm glad we were

577
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Speaker 1: able to bring it to Cincinnati and bring and hire

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Speaker 1: people right here from town. We're really proud of it.

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Speaker 1: So the season ends on Sunday for the Bengals against

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Speaker 1: the ten and five Ravens. You've had a couple of

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Speaker 1: Baltimore games on TV this year. What would the Bengals

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Speaker 1: need to do to have a shot and pulling off

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Speaker 1: the upset and ending the year with the three game

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Speaker 1: winning stream. You know they've they've pulled off a few

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Speaker 1: things against the Ravens in the past, right, we've seen

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Speaker 1: some of their clutch wins. But you've got to find

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Speaker 1: a way at this point to stop Lamar. You know,

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Speaker 1: he has just proven to be back in form. I

589
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Speaker 1: never thought that he looked quite right in the early

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Speaker 1: part of the season. I'm not sure what it was.

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Speaker 1: He just wasn't quite as dynamic with the ball in

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Speaker 1: his hands. And yet now over the past couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks you're starting to see that VP look in his eyes,

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Speaker 1: and so is impossible as it sounds. You have to

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Speaker 1: stop him. You have to keep him from getting on

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Speaker 1: the edge of your defense. If they can keep him

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Speaker 1: in the pocket, make him win the game throwing the

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Speaker 1: football from the pocket, then you'll always have a chance

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Speaker 1: against the Ravens. But the minute he gets out and

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Speaker 1: he is free to run and scramble and find Hollywood

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Speaker 1: Brown down the field, you've got big problems. So he's

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Speaker 1: the key. Appreciate your time, Chris. Sorry your record had

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Speaker 1: to fall, but it's being broken by a great rookie

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Speaker 1: and te Higgins. You told me he's one of the

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Speaker 1: great guys on the team, so I'm fired up to

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Speaker 1: meet him. I have not met him, but if you

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Speaker 1: see him, please pass along my congratulations. I'm thrilled for him,

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Speaker 1: and he's earned it. I mean that's the great thing

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Speaker 1: about it. I've watched him play, I went back and

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Speaker 1: watched some of the video from PFF, and he has

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Speaker 1: earned the right to wear that crown and I'm really

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Speaker 1: happy for the Bengals. Booth podcast is presented by Bud

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Speaker 1: Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing with a hint of

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Speaker 1: fruit flavor. Whenever the Bengals play the Ravens, I like

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Speaker 1: to catch up with my friend Brad Jackson, the former

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Speaker 1: UC football and basketball player who won a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: ring as a Ravens linebacker in two thousand and has

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Speaker 1: been doing some media work since retiring from the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Brad joined us this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show,

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Speaker 1: and I started our conversation by asking him if the

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Speaker 1: Ravens current four game winning streak has folks in Baltimore

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Speaker 1: believing that this team is a legitimate contender to advance

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. I think we're always legitimate when

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Speaker 1: you can run the football and play good defense, and

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Speaker 1: you guys know that, like when you don't turn the

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Speaker 1: football over and you can run the football and obviously

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Speaker 1: play great defense, which is a staple and part of

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Speaker 1: the foundation here in Baltimore. It absolutely means that you

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Speaker 1: have a chance in the playoffs. And when you have

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Speaker 1: a dynamic weapon as far as Lamar Jackson, who though

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Speaker 1: he's not having been passing numbers that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people would talk about h you know, as being quote

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Speaker 1: unquote that quarterback, he is still an explosive and a

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Speaker 1: former MVP as he was last year. So whenever you

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Speaker 1: have all those components in place, it is something that

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Speaker 1: you have to take the Bottimo Ravens seriously. And that's

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Speaker 1: why in the last four games, you know, they're averaging

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Speaker 1: almost thirty seven points two hundred and thirty yards rushing

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Speaker 1: per game. Obviously those two are tops in the league.

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00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: And Lamar has just you know, played phenomenal with twelve touchdowns,

641
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: you know, and he's actually thrown a couple more. We're

642
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: actually doubled up with eight passing and four rushing, you know,

643
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: to his credit, and he's turned it on. And you

644
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: get a lot of people and we've had that discussion

645
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: here in Baltimore about you know, the level of competition

646
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: because you know, at the end of the season. You know,

647
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: they have had to play the team minus the Cleveland

648
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: Brown that you know, the Ravens eat to win out

649
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: there a couple of weeks ago in Cleveland, But minus that,

650
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, with the Jags, Jaguars, and you know the Giants,

651
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: and obviously the Bengals, you know, being without Joe Burrow,

652
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: but who are obviously playing well. And we all know

653
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: how that rivalry ends. Whenever it's Baltimore picks, whenever it's

654
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: Baltimore in Cincinnati, it's almost like Baltimore Pittsburgh, except that

655
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: the Bengals have, especially in Cincinnati, as you guys are

656
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: well aware of, has always found a way to somehow

657
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: throw a hitch in the Ravens season. And you know,

658
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: when you go back you look at the course of history.

659
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: You know, the Bengals, no matter what the record was,

660
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: no matter what was happening when it came time to

661
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: play in Cincinnati at the end of the year, they've

662
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: always found a way to give the Ravens everything they

663
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: can handle more, which is why the Ravens are are

664
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: a pedestrian nine and fifteen in the nashty Nati. So

665
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: it's very concerning this team is not looking back the

666
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: Bengals as they may have in year's pad Bred. The

667
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens the only team in the NFL that is

668
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: average rushing more yards than throwing in the game, the

669
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: only team. They're rushing it one hundred and seventy seven

670
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: point eight per game, first in the league, five point

671
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: three per tempt, first in the league. They're throwing it

672
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: for one seventy four and a half thirty, first in

673
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: the league in this era. That's that's almost incredible. And

674
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: the only other team that's close as New England. They're

675
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: running it one hundred and forty five point three and

676
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: throwing it for one seventy six point eight. And it's working, obviously.

677
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean this this Baltimore team. Instead of worrying about

678
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: personnel and formations and packages in the passing game, man

679
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: Baltimore doesn't the running game. Watching a little tape the

680
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: first time the Bengals played, Baltimore is doing a lot

681
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: of you know, a lot of bodies between the hash marks.

682
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: Now they're spreading it out and they're getting running lanes

683
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: by spreading the field. I mean, they can do anything

684
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: they want that running game, can't they? You know, you

685
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: talk about it that, you know, when it's the first

686
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: time info history and having sure you guys about it

687
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: where you know, three t three players on one team.

688
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: You know, that's Lamar Gus Edwards and JK. Dobbins, the

689
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: rookie from up there at the school up north and Cincinnati.

690
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: Who is who is random ball? Really really well? He's

691
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: actually tied the rookie record here in Baltimore with seven

692
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: touchdowns and has an opportunity to break it. But those

693
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: three guys have all ran for over six hundred yards,

694
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: all of them have over six touchdowns. So you know,

695
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: I think prior to this last four weeks and again

696
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that you're cautiously optimistic about.

697
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: You know, from Hardy's question is, yeah, they can line

698
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: up and play with anybody. But when they had those

699
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: those playoff teams early in the year, the kids in

700
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: the cities and they lost in New England and the

701
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: rain storm, you know, the Ravens weren't playing that well

702
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: early on against the good competition. So is it part

703
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: of the fact that it's the end of the year

704
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 1: and you guys know a lot of guys have checked out.

705
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: You know, they're trying to just stay healthy. They're you know,

706
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: they're kind of tiring them on the COVID tracy and

707
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: everything that. You know, a lot of teams have put

708
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: in place in order to get this season, you know, underway,

709
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of guys are pretty much figured, Okay,

710
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: we're not going to the playoffs, you know, kind of

711
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: brother in law as you know, as a call two

712
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: times or is it that they are playing better at

713
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: the right time or is it part of And I

714
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: think some of it has to do it a lot

715
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: of hype early on with Great Roman actually getting a

716
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: lot of you know, media pressed about potential head coach,

717
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: potential head coach, and they were trying to throw the

718
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: ball and trying to you know, because we all know

719
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: if you want to be a head coach in this league,

720
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: you have to have your quarterback has to have numbers.

721
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: And unfortunately that doesn't mean numbers with his legs as

722
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson has done. Because every other thirty one teams

723
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: out there or whoever would be looking to higher Great

724
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: Roman as the head coach is going to say, you're

725
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: not bringing Lamar Jackson with you. So yeah, that offense

726
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: translate phenomenally in Baltimore with the running attack, because you

727
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: have Lamar Jackson, You're not going to go to a

728
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: land you know, or the Jets, which are probably going

729
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: to fire you know, Adam Gates and say hey, we're

730
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: going to do the same things with Mattie Ice and

731
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan or you know, Sam Darnold. That's not gonna happen.

732
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: So I think there was a little bit of a

733
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: time in there from Washington film and I've had this

734
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: discussion here in the media where even the fans are saying,

735
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: just run the football, run the football, And I think

736
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: it may be a trispect of you know, the team

737
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: getting back to what they do best, which is, as

738
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: you said, run the football on anybody, anywhere, at any time.

739
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: With that triple headed monster of Lamar Jackson, Gus Edwards

740
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: and JK. Doptins and even Mark Ingram is still in

741
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: there waiting in the wings and get a couple carries

742
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: here and there, especially in the goal line areas. Our

743
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: guest is Brad Jackson. The first time these teams played

744
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: Baltimore at fifteen quarterback hits in seven sacks of Joe Burrow,

745
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: and since then they traded for unique Eckway. Has he

746
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: had a big impact. No, he hasn't had the impact

747
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: I think that they were hoping for as of yet.

748
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: And you know, you look at it when when you

749
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: look at our numbers, you know, we we you know

750
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: he has eight sacks, but uh, he's only had two

751
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: since I became, since he became a raven um And

752
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: you know you talked about that first game out there,

753
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: Uh you know with the Bengals, Um, you know what

754
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: it was, the seven sacks. I think they had a

755
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: patcher Queen, the rookie first rounder, had a phenomenal game,

756
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: even had a Scooper score for a touchdown. You know,

757
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: week Martindale, who who my honest believe obviously we know

758
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: he's from Daton, went to you know, defines Colin Johns

759
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: here and obviously he's the former Bearcat, which was my

760
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: linebacker coach, you know with the Bearcats. I think wink

761
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: Is is probably priding to get a head coaching job.

762
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: I think, uh, the opportunity is going to be there

763
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: for him with the Jets. We have some synergies with

764
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: the Jets. They're general manager Joe Douglass obviously was here.

765
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: I think he may have an opportunity with U with

766
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville jack Warres. He kind of fits everything that

767
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: that Jacksonville is looking for. Um So I think that's

768
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: the more a realistic opportunity. And you know he's gonna

769
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: doll it up and get after. You know, he got

770
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: after Joe Burrow the first time, and he's gonna, you know,

771
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: get after any quarterback out there, especially the seed early

772
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: on if they've made the adjustments for all the quarterback

773
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: hits and pressure that the defense put on. Way back

774
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: a week five with the twenty seventy three victory for

775
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: the Ravens. In terms of passing numbers, no surprise that,

776
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: you know, the only guy that shows up in the

777
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: top fifty in receiving yards is Andrews, a great tight end,

778
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: six hundred and seventy four receiving yards. He's got seven

779
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: touchdown catches, though Hollywood Brown has six. And the guy

780
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in, Dez Bryant six catches, two of

781
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: them are touchdowns. Is the fifth fastest wide receiver have

782
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: seventy five career touchdown receptions, number of games played. Jerry

783
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: Rice Moss, Harrison, Teo, and Dez Bryant. What is Dez

784
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: Bryant added to the football team, what's he been like?

785
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: Been up and down. Honestly, he actually quit a couple

786
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. I don't know if you guys got

787
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: that out in there. He came in and it was

788
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys, and he was out on the field

789
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: and warm ups, dancing around doing this thing. And then

790
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: they pulled him off the field and they said he

791
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: had a positive fest like and he's on the field

792
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: like dapping up in high five. It was a very

793
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: very weird situations. And then he had to leave the stadium.

794
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: He tweeted out that he was done. He quit, and

795
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: then you know, a bunch of people got in his

796
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: ear and and I think, you know, cooler heads probably

797
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: prevailed that, you know, it's better to stay and get

798
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: a couple more game checks, uh, And being a part

799
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: of a team that potentially could go to the playoff

800
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: versus versus ultimately hang him up considering he had been

801
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: out of the league, you know, for a couple of years.

802
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: And I think, as you said last, I think that

803
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: was his first touchdown since with twenty seventeen, almost two years.

804
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: So he's he's brought a veteran presence, but as far

805
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: as schematically, you know, he's he's a big wide receiver,

806
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 1: but he's not getting open against people. He's not eating

807
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, there's nobody that is actually fearing him stretching field. Um.

808
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's been another guy that has kind

809
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: of a lot of football. Um. And that's what I

810
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: think they're hoping for with consistency. Because the wide receivers

811
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: from Hollywood Brown, you know, obviously Willie Sneid, they've all

812
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: had their moments tweeting after games that you know they're

813
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: not being used enough and they don't get the football enough. Meanwhile,

814
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: you know they're they're dropping more footballs uh, you know

815
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: than I would right now if I was to get

816
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: out there on that field. So um, there there's been

817
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: that situation that's kind of been frustrating internally and externally

818
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: with the wide receivers not being consistent, not getting over

819
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: ninetenching the ball. Uh kadre Ishmael you know who does

820
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: some media stuff and and my former teammate uh here

821
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: with Baldimware has been very very outspoken about it. And

822
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: I choke his word as it as a wide receiver

823
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL. UM And so you know, your point

824
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: is correct. Let that Mark Andrews is his blankie, that's

825
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: his lioness. If if you eliminate and the game plan

826
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: which has been it's been out there and teams have

827
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: used it to success against the Ravens, where if you're

828
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: a defensive line, your defense ends keep Superman in the

829
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: phone booth. They don't get rushed past the quarterback. You've

830
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: given him those running lanes because that's where Lamar is

831
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: absolutely destroying teams right now, where the defense ends are

832
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: getting pushed past them. He steps up. Now you have

833
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: linebackers the VBS coming out of coverage thinking they got

834
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: to go get a guy that's running the four three

835
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: four four, and then all of a sudden he's flicking

836
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: it to somebody down the field. But if those defensive

837
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: ends and be line are keeping him contained, and then

838
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: you're eliminating Mark Andrews, his favorite weapon. He struggles that

839
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: complete passes consistently, consistently, excuse me, outside the numbers and

840
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: those wide receivers just haven't gotten open as much. And

841
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: then the times that they have gotten up and they

842
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: dropped the football and key moments, so U there is

843
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: a formula, you know for the Bengals, and like I said,

844
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: obviously you know that you know them playing at home

845
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: is always something that has you know, Bengal bitten the

846
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: Ravens so to speak. You know that last game or

847
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: those those late games in the season, uh in the

848
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: Queen City, which have always voted well for for the Bengals,

849
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: and it's it's been something that's kind of been a

850
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: thorn in Coach harball side. Um. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: definitely a very very important game and it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: the guys here are not taking this lightly like oh,

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Speaker 1: it's the Bengals, like the Jaguars and the Giants, that

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Speaker 1: they're taking this very seriously as if they're they're going

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Speaker 1: to play, you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers this week. And

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Speaker 1: that's that's been the mindset in the building the last

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