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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways I don't just stories of things we simply
Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Well. Hey there, and welcome
Speaker 1: again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve,
Speaker 1: of course, that was always joined by and Joe, who
Speaker 1: looked confused. Joe did it like he forgot his cue.
Speaker 1: I forgot my name. Uh. Well, this week we have
Speaker 1: another mystery for you as always, but before we get
Speaker 1: into the mystery, got a little bit of something that
Speaker 1: I wanted to share with everybody. What I wanted to
Speaker 1: go talk about was something that we're gonna be doing
Speaker 1: for about the next month or so. Anybody who's listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast knows that we've been doing this for
Speaker 1: three years straight, and other than a couple of holidays,
Speaker 1: we really haven't ever taken any time off well, and
Speaker 1: we re record those episodes. We've put out an episode
Speaker 1: every week for three years, right, and so we're always
Speaker 1: doing research. And it's the summer and we're a little tired,
Speaker 1: so we've decided that we're gonna dial it back a
Speaker 1: little bit. Now that that doesn't mean that we're not
Speaker 1: going to be putting out episodes every week as normal,
Speaker 1: because we will, but for what we're gonna dub the
Speaker 1: summer series, we're gonna take on some of the smaller,
Speaker 1: easier mysteries for a while. There's a ton of those
Speaker 1: out there, by the way, there are and there's episodes
Speaker 1: are still gonna be probably pretty close or normal is
Speaker 1: you know, they're not going to be the two hour epics,
Speaker 1: but them as much as we can. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, what that's gonna allow us to do is
Speaker 1: we're gonna be able to recoup a little bit end
Speaker 1: at the same time start working on some of the
Speaker 1: bigger stories that we've been wanting to do but just
Speaker 1: haven't had the time because it's yeah, well it's it's like,
Speaker 1: I know you're working on that one. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I have been literally since we started, and Joe, you're
Speaker 1: working on that other one. And I've got that thing
Speaker 1: I'm looking into, so yeah, tons of time. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: we got it. When I'm done sunbathing, I will look
Speaker 1: into that thing. Yeah, my tan is perfect. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: other one. I've been working on that for like two
Speaker 1: years now, off and on, not not constantly. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: well now you get a chance. So we're gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and do that. So now you know what's going
Speaker 1: on Summer series with Summer series. So onto today's mystery,
Speaker 1: which was suggested by Kine. Today we're gonna so let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and get back to the mystery, or get
Speaker 1: into the mystery, I should say. Today we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about the Kelly Hopskinsville Encounter, which is a purported
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial encounter or an ET encounter. When did it happened?
Speaker 1: It took place in nineteenth five, specifically on August one. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I haven't done one of these stories for a while,
Speaker 1: so for anybody who doesn't remember, I always like to
Speaker 1: give you the fullest version or the most inflated version,
Speaker 1: because that's what you're gonna find out there on the internet.
Speaker 1: And then we'll roll back and we'll clear up some
Speaker 1: details before we get into theories. Our story takes place,
Speaker 1: as I said, on the twenty one August nine, it
Speaker 1: was in the evening, and it took place between the
Speaker 1: towns of Kelly and Hopkinsville. Hopkinsville, I'm gonna butcher that
Speaker 1: every time if I'm not careful. Hopkinsville, which are located
Speaker 1: in the southwestern portion of Kentucky, and really Hopkinsville is
Speaker 1: the town. Kelly is really just kind of a small
Speaker 1: residential and unincorporated. Yeah, basically, And our story is going
Speaker 1: to take place in a rented home. It is the
Speaker 1: home of Glennie Langford. And I would not want to
Speaker 1: rent these people. Why you'll find out. Um. So, Glennie
Speaker 1: Lankford on the night in question, had her entire family
Speaker 1: over for dinner. She had her three young children, which
Speaker 1: were Lonnie, Charlton, and Mary. It's you were expecting the
Speaker 1: character from the fresh principal belair. Okay, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: let it go. You see what happens when we do
Speaker 1: fun stories, we get weird right away. Anyway. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So those three were younger children. I think the oldest
Speaker 1: was if I remember right. She had two older sons
Speaker 1: who were from a prior marriage. One of those sons
Speaker 1: was Elmer Lucky Sutton and his wife Vera, and then
Speaker 1: the other older son was J. C. Sutton and his
Speaker 1: wife Aileen Alien's brother was also there. His name is
Speaker 1: op Baker. And last, but not least, they had a
Speaker 1: family friend over by the name of Billy Ray Taylor,
Speaker 1: and Billy Ray's wife, June was also There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people. I don't know. It does not look to
Speaker 1: be a small place, so I'm sure that it wasn't
Speaker 1: as if they were all crammed into one teamy room
Speaker 1: to try and eat dinner. But that's where they were.
Speaker 1: They were over to have dinner that night apparently, so
Speaker 1: according to the legend or the story, however you want
Speaker 1: to say it, the tailors, so that's Billy Ray and June,
Speaker 1: along with Lucky and his wife Vera were all traveling
Speaker 1: carnival workers. So yes, we have aliens and carnies all
Speaker 1: in one store, just like American Hall our story all
Speaker 1: over again. It's perfect. Uh, So they were They were
Speaker 1: just like carnival workers. They worked the rides and stuff, right.
Speaker 1: They weren't like side show or anything like that. No,
Speaker 1: they were not side show attractions themselves. I believe they
Speaker 1: were just plane plane workers. And what exactly they did
Speaker 1: I've never been able to locate. We don't care. Um.
Speaker 1: So according to this story, seven o'clock at night, Billy
Speaker 1: Ray went to the well to get some water because
Speaker 1: the house didn't have indoor plumbing, and he reported that
Speaker 1: he saw a flashing light in the sky and that
Speaker 1: it was a flying saucer and it landed ahead of him,
Speaker 1: just past the tree line. He immediately booked it back
Speaker 1: to the house to to tell everybody what he had seen.
Speaker 1: And this is where the accountings will split depending on
Speaker 1: the version you have. Either an hour after he saw
Speaker 1: this he convinced Lucky to go with him to investigate
Speaker 1: the craft, or some time not too long after he
Speaker 1: got back to the house the dog started barking and
Speaker 1: going nuts. Whichever case it is, Lucky and Billy Ray
Speaker 1: walked out of the house. Of course, being good red
Speaker 1: blooded Americans, they they had guns. Of one of them
Speaker 1: had a shotgun and the other one had a twenty
Speaker 1: two caliber rifle. It's not nearly adequate enough for dealing
Speaker 1: with aliens. Well, I don't know that they knew what
Speaker 1: they were getting into ahead of time, but depending it
Speaker 1: really doesn't matter whether it was the hour later they
Speaker 1: went to investigate, or the dog was barking, because in
Speaker 1: both this is where their story versions merged. Back together.
Speaker 1: As as soon as they walked out into the front yard,
Speaker 1: they saw ahead of them a creature on the ground
Speaker 1: walking towards them. I'm gonna give this description in plurals
Speaker 1: just because they're supposed to be multiples of them. But
Speaker 1: supposedly this creature had its hands raised. It was about
Speaker 1: three to four feet tall, had clawed hands, was green,
Speaker 1: had short, thin arms, large yellow eyes, large pointed or
Speaker 1: bat wing shaped ears, depending on the version that that
Speaker 1: you come across, and a long, thin mouth. Being the
Speaker 1: brave men that they were, they immediately both shot at
Speaker 1: the creature. If they managed to hit it, they apparently
Speaker 1: didn't do any damage because it jumped in the air,
Speaker 1: did a backflip, and then ran into the woods. I
Speaker 1: suddenly realized that these aliens might have wanted to be
Speaker 1: in the carnival. Maybe that's all they wanted, and they
Speaker 1: just wanted to be the shot. Yeah. So so after
Speaker 1: after both of them have shot at the creature at
Speaker 1: its runaway, they of course do the same and they
Speaker 1: run back backflip. Yeah, that it's backflip and ran in
Speaker 1: the woods. They of course turned around and run back
Speaker 1: into the house. Did they blips too or no? No, no,
Speaker 1: they just ran um. But they of course then shut
Speaker 1: the door, the screen door. I think that's got to
Speaker 1: do a lot of good. It really does, because here's
Speaker 1: the funny thing is that moments later the creature popped
Speaker 1: its head up in one of the windows that of
Speaker 1: the house, and of course it had a scary face.
Speaker 1: Everybody freaked out, and so again both men began to
Speaker 1: shoot at it through the screen window. And you know,
Speaker 1: you ever touched up a gun indoors, Yeah, it's extremely loud.
Speaker 1: It is very loud, particularly guns like that. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: the shotgun, primarily the twenty two, wouldn't be too bad,
Speaker 1: but the shotgun would be really loud and do a
Speaker 1: crapload of damage to the windows. Um, So of course
Speaker 1: they take their shot at it. They creature disappears from
Speaker 1: the window. They're pretty sure they got it. They run
Speaker 1: outside to see the body, at which point they discovered
Speaker 1: there's nothing there. They apparently must not have hit it
Speaker 1: while they're outside. Uh there, I guess they were kind
Speaker 1: of under the eve of the house, and as one
Speaker 1: of them stepped out from under the eve, the creature
Speaker 1: reached its clawed hand down and tried to grab their hair,
Speaker 1: which of course, scared the crap out of it. I
Speaker 1: can hear the sound the soundtrack to this where it's
Speaker 1: just like fever pitch of like yeah yeah. So so
Speaker 1: now for a third time, they guys open fire and
Speaker 1: apparently one of them must have hit it this time
Speaker 1: because it fell from the roof. Did it actually know?
Speaker 1: It floated down from the roof and as soon as
Speaker 1: it touched the ground, it ran away into the woods,
Speaker 1: again doing backflips the entire time. I'm only only that
Speaker 1: one time, so you think he's not really welcome these humans.
Speaker 1: They do the strangest well greetings, I don't understand it. Um.
Speaker 1: So at this point, of course, Lucky and Billy ray
Speaker 1: they immediately run back in the house again and shut
Speaker 1: the door. And for several hours after the fact, the
Speaker 1: creatures kept popping their heads up in the windows or
Speaker 1: the doorway, and the men kept shooting at them, which
Speaker 1: apparently we continue to have no effect. And apparently I've
Speaker 1: read somewhere they were like, what fifteen or twenty of
Speaker 1: these things there. There's reportedly there were up somewhere between
Speaker 1: fifteen and twenty, yes, all over the house. So basically
Speaker 1: this house is surrounded by these things. It really sounds
Speaker 1: to me like it's extraterrestrial whack a mole at this point,
Speaker 1: and they're popping up in the windows and every time
Speaker 1: they see one, right, yes, it's it's a weird version
Speaker 1: of duck hunt. Yeah, it's kind of like it like
Speaker 1: get out of the stop it exactly. So eventually everybody,
Speaker 1: all eleven people in the house, they've had it, they've
Speaker 1: had enough, they can't take anymore. They all bolt for
Speaker 1: the door and they all run to the cars. They
Speaker 1: pile into two cars and they drive to the police
Speaker 1: station in Hopkinsville, understandably, and the police are a little
Speaker 1: tentative and suspicious of their story. There, a little skeptical
Speaker 1: of what all these people are claiming. Uh. And from
Speaker 1: the reading I've done, there was a couple of factors
Speaker 1: that eventually got him to go along or at least
Speaker 1: possibly believe them. And part of that was the fact
Speaker 1: that everybody appeared to be sober, wasn't as if anybody
Speaker 1: was sauce drunk. There was also the fact that they
Speaker 1: appeared to be genuinely all very very frightened. And oh
Speaker 1: there's the other thing, which is the police. We're worried
Speaker 1: about civilians having a gun battle in the middle of
Speaker 1: arrest semi residential area, which is fair. So of course
Speaker 1: they went ahead and they agreed to go investigate. So
Speaker 1: the police go to the property. Uh, there's actually a
Speaker 1: lot of people who go to the property that night
Speaker 1: to quote unquote investigate this situation. There's four local police officers,
Speaker 1: five state troopers, three deputy sheriffs, and four military police
Speaker 1: from Fort Campbell. You got to imagine that there's not
Speaker 1: a whole lot going on in that area of Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Kentucky happen and you know, I think if somebody's like, no,
Speaker 1: but really there's aliens, you'd be like, well, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go, jam are you going cool? The thing to remember, though,
Speaker 1: is that flying saucers had just started to become popular
Speaker 1: and most people regarded them as as fake. It's just
Speaker 1: this this silly thing. So I find it very hard
Speaker 1: to imagine that that's there. Wud be any other reason
Speaker 1: that the cops had all these guys would have gone like,
Speaker 1: we've got nothing else to do. Um. It sounds like
Speaker 1: the military officers, the military police were called in because
Speaker 1: of the fact that there was all this gunfighting going on.
Speaker 1: And they were worried about needing support that's with reading.
Speaker 1: So they go there and everybody gets to the property,
Speaker 1: and evidently in the time between when the family left
Speaker 1: and got to the sheriff's office and then came back,
Speaker 1: the et s had beat feet, they had completely disappeared.
Speaker 1: They looked around, Uh, there were no signs of the
Speaker 1: aliens or the only thing that there was signs of
Speaker 1: was bullet holes in the walls and in the screens.
Speaker 1: By the way, guys, yeah, that's why you used a
Speaker 1: shotgun because you don't have to aim. Well they didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't hit any of the eleven people
Speaker 1: that were in the house, so that's pretty good. It
Speaker 1: could have been way worse. It basically think of one
Speaker 1: of those nineteen seventies or eighties comedy sitcom situations where
Speaker 1: the guy with the gun is pointing it forward and
Speaker 1: he he shuffles to his left and everybody else's group
Speaker 1: behind him, so they're just they're moving like a dial
Speaker 1: so that they're out of his range. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: I have to imagine was going on. Probably, I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they had put the three youngest ones underneath the bed
Speaker 1: for you know, obviously good reason. Well it suppostly to
Speaker 1: keep them load to the ground. Joe. Yeah, So of course,
Speaker 1: the like I said, they searched the place. They can't
Speaker 1: find anything. There is a there is a green glow
Speaker 1: reported on near a fence, and it's said that that
Speaker 1: was where one of the creatures was hit by a bullet.
Speaker 1: Umod well it was that or some people in some
Speaker 1: things that will said that might be where the craft
Speaker 1: was at. I will mention that when shot these creatures,
Speaker 1: it made a metallic sound, almost like you know, shooting
Speaker 1: another piece of metal. You know that ping, that iconic
Speaker 1: bullet ping, That's what it this sounded apparently made. Other
Speaker 1: than that, they couldn't find anything, so they left at
Speaker 1: about two o'clock in the morning. Everybody said, sorry, guys,
Speaker 1: we don't see anything, and they left, and everybody settled
Speaker 1: down for the night and tried to try to go
Speaker 1: to bed until about three thirty in the morning when
Speaker 1: the et s returned and be can their antics of
Speaker 1: scratching all the walls and walking on the ceiling and
Speaker 1: popping their ugly little heads roof, maybe not ceiling on
Speaker 1: the roof, thank you, um and popping the little heads
Speaker 1: up in the windows. And this continued on until dawn
Speaker 1: the next morning, so the morning of the twenty two,
Speaker 1: it eventually stopped. The authorities did come back that morning
Speaker 1: to the property they wanted to investigate, and mostly what
Speaker 1: they were gonna do is or did, was they interviewed everybody,
Speaker 1: and as police tend to do, they interview you separately
Speaker 1: from the bunch. The one thing about this is that
Speaker 1: everybody's story was almost consistent. They matched up. It wasn't
Speaker 1: as if there was any wild, you know, variances between them.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's almost more suspicious it is. You know,
Speaker 1: it's more like, all right, what are we going to
Speaker 1: tell the police than it is. This is my recollection
Speaker 1: of it, and it's probably slightly different than you know,
Speaker 1: all the other people's recollection of it. But I think
Speaker 1: the cops, uh, you know, they would have they would
Speaker 1: have smelled b as if everybody's sort of stories that
Speaker 1: sync up perfectly. Probably didn't. They're similar enough and it's
Speaker 1: not like they're wildly different, which witness statements can easily be.
Speaker 1: You know, he was wearing a red shirt. I think
Speaker 1: he was wearing a blue shirt. I had a white
Speaker 1: shirt on everybody that happens, but it doesn't appear that
Speaker 1: that was the case. Here a couple of the people
Speaker 1: were asked to draw the creatures, you know, can you
Speaker 1: can you give me a little rendering of it, and
Speaker 1: they all were relatively similar. They had differences, but they
Speaker 1: weren't strikingly huge differences. And uh, that's it. The e
Speaker 1: t s these little creatures. They never came back, They
Speaker 1: never came back to bother these people, and they were
Speaker 1: never heard from again. Where their footprints and stuff around,
Speaker 1: No little alien Doc Martin Prince something like that. No
Speaker 1: burn marks on the ground where their saucer took off.
Speaker 1: No burn marks on the ground where their saucer took off.
Speaker 1: So let's do this now, as I'm wanting to do.
Speaker 1: I just told you the most inflated, fantastic version. Now
Speaker 1: let's clear a few facts, because if if some people
Speaker 1: have been able to get ahold of all of the
Speaker 1: newspapers from the time in the area and other records,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of things that aren't quite right
Speaker 1: in these inflated versions. So to start with, Uh, some
Speaker 1: of the stories say that the creatures themselves glowed whitish,
Speaker 1: and that they glowed a brighter white when they were shot,
Speaker 1: and that appears to have been something that was inserted
Speaker 1: to the story after the fact. There's a couple of
Speaker 1: insertions that happened as the story spreads and people are
Speaker 1: rewriting the account. Shocking, I know, I know. We also
Speaker 1: said that the creatures were green. That was actually inserted
Speaker 1: after the fact. They actually were described as kind of
Speaker 1: a silver grayish color, so not little green men as
Speaker 1: we talked about before. There was there's reportedly between fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty the little guys running around according to the statements.
Speaker 1: Actually only at one point was more than one of
Speaker 1: them seen, and that was when one was in front
Speaker 1: of the door and another one was in a tree
Speaker 1: farther away. Other than that, they were always seen one
Speaker 1: at a time with no others around, so the number
Speaker 1: again seems to be in An addition, the story says
Speaker 1: that Billy Ray and Lucky we're basically dumping boxes of
Speaker 1: ammunition into the walls of this house, which actually it
Speaker 1: turns out that's not the case. There was only a
Speaker 1: single hole in a single screen aane of a window,
Speaker 1: and that was consistent with about the size of a
Speaker 1: twenty two caliber bullet. But there was one, but that
Speaker 1: was just the one hole, so it wasn't as if
Speaker 1: they were just shooting like mad. You'll see it said
Speaker 1: that the Air Force came out. Well, actually the men
Speaker 1: that came out were from the Army. The Air Force
Speaker 1: does mention this event in their their documents on Project
Speaker 1: Blue Book, but they don't don't say anything about it
Speaker 1: though every well they say a little bit about it,
Speaker 1: but everything they say about it is completely untotally dismissive.
Speaker 1: The Air Force doesn't take it in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or form to be uh to be something valid to
Speaker 1: investigator or to even consider. There's the UFO, the one
Speaker 1: that Billy Ray said he saw. Turns out there are
Speaker 1: her There were meteor showers at the time in the area.
Speaker 1: The Kappa signals is an annual meteor shower that happens
Speaker 1: around the same time of year every year, and it
Speaker 1: was at that it was at that time that particular year,
Speaker 1: so that would explain the light that Billy Ray saw.
Speaker 1: And like I said before that, you know, UFOs were
Speaker 1: kind of the cool craze, so that's you can understand
Speaker 1: why he decided it had to be a UFO. The
Speaker 1: only other thing is that weird green glow by the fence.
Speaker 1: It wasn't there the next day and there was nothing,
Speaker 1: no sign of anything there. And it's believed that that
Speaker 1: was fox fire, which is a naturally occurring It's a
Speaker 1: fungus that's bioluminescent, and so they think that maybe it
Speaker 1: was just fox fire that somebody saw because fox fire
Speaker 1: girls on rotting wood. But why would it not have
Speaker 1: been there the next night somebod who may not have
Speaker 1: seen it. You gotta think about it. It's not as
Speaker 1: if it's a beacon of light. It's kind of dimly glowing,
Speaker 1: so if you stick your head next to it, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: look that's glowing, and then hut away, you don't really
Speaker 1: notice it anymore. That's a guess on my part, I
Speaker 1: will completely admit, because there's no description of what was
Speaker 1: at the sight of where that fox fire. Supposed a
Speaker 1: fox fire was the impression it was on as dick
Speaker 1: or something like that, or a branch. Well, it's on
Speaker 1: rotting woods, so it happened to be. But from there,
Speaker 1: I don't know the size or quantity or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So I guess that means it's time to go to theories. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going to start with the most popular theory, which
Speaker 1: is owls. Yeah, it's a good one. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's a good one. Who Okay, sorry, I couldn't
Speaker 1: help it. Okay. The theory goes that Billy Ray worked
Speaker 1: up about reading about the flying saucers. As we were saying,
Speaker 1: I saw a meteor and convinced himself and then everybody
Speaker 1: else that it's a ufo. And this is on his
Speaker 1: trek to get water from the well. On his way there,
Speaker 1: he encounters the nest of a madd pair of great
Speaker 1: horned owls. They are either already upset and worked up,
Speaker 1: or he does something that peeves them off, and their
Speaker 1: natural reaction is to defend their net nest. So they
Speaker 1: do that, just as owls are known to do. They
Speaker 1: fly in and they try and attack. Because at that
Speaker 1: time of year, they would have outlets in the nest,
Speaker 1: so there would have been young. Um, those young would
Speaker 1: have been about nine ten months old. They're nearly full
Speaker 1: grown at that point and probably about ready to leave
Speaker 1: the nest. But parents can be very defensive. I've I mean,
Speaker 1: we've also heard about how hard it is to live
Speaker 1: with teenagers, so you can imagine why these owls were
Speaker 1: so on edge and just get them out of here.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what they're doing. They're coming out, coming out
Speaker 1: to ask these people to come over and kill. They
Speaker 1: are young, can't take it. So so these these owls
Speaker 1: they follow Billy Ray. According to this theory, they followed
Speaker 1: Billy Ray back to the house. At one point one
Speaker 1: of them landed on the ground and began to walk
Speaker 1: towards the house. And in bad light, I can I
Speaker 1: can kind of understand this. Have you ever seen a
Speaker 1: bird that shaped like an owl? You know, with the
Speaker 1: short legs and the the kind of tall, stocky body walk.
Speaker 1: They walk weird. It's it's kind of a weird, stilted movement.
Speaker 1: And they'll they'll hold their wings out a little bit.
Speaker 1: They're not really built for walking, I know they're they're
Speaker 1: actually rather terrible at it. But being owls, they're also
Speaker 1: exceptionally quiet. When they fly, they make no noise. Did
Speaker 1: you guys see that that article that was out this
Speaker 1: was probably about a month ago, about the sound of
Speaker 1: birds when they fly, and so well, what they did
Speaker 1: is they had I think it was three or five microphones,
Speaker 1: and so they would have like a falcon fly by
Speaker 1: and it would you could hear it beating its wings
Speaker 1: and it would pick it up, and it would register
Speaker 1: these these decimals. And all these birds were making this noise.
Speaker 1: And then when the they let an owl loose, almost nothing.
Speaker 1: They're so quiet, they're so streamlined, their feathers are soft.
Speaker 1: They glide a lot, so they don't make a bunch
Speaker 1: of noise. So you could see how an owl could
Speaker 1: glide in and land and nobody would know it. It
Speaker 1: so that man and so of course at this point
Speaker 1: the owls are upset, and they come walking up to
Speaker 1: the door and they're they're sticking their heads in the
Speaker 1: windows looking at the people and and great hord owls. Okay,
Speaker 1: I see the look on Devon's face. She's she's suddenly
Speaker 1: not so excited by this theory. But great horned owls
Speaker 1: do kind of match the description. They have little pointy
Speaker 1: ears that the feathers they have. They're about three foot
Speaker 1: or so high. Great horn owls most and the largest
Speaker 1: ones are in like Alaska, and then the further south
Speaker 1: you go, the smaller they get. Their wingspans are about
Speaker 1: three ft. Great hordeles. Yes, I was literally just looking
Speaker 1: at okay, because I swear I was reading that they
Speaker 1: were that size, but you know what, it might not
Speaker 1: have been region specific. That's where I got tripped up. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean, they're they're owls. They're weird looking.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen an owl? You know how they
Speaker 1: turn their head. They basically have no neck, It's just
Speaker 1: a giant swivel. And some of them have kind of
Speaker 1: this whitish line of feathers right there, So that could
Speaker 1: account for that that thin long mouth that was described.
Speaker 1: I guess my sorry, I'm gonna let you finish, and
Speaker 1: then I'll just say my big problem with you, because
Speaker 1: I'm about to jump into the problems with the whole
Speaker 1: owl here. Yeah, I mean, one of my big problems
Speaker 1: with it is that specifically great horned owls, but like
Speaker 1: most owls, really most animals in this world, when they
Speaker 1: are trying to be defensive or scare things away, they
Speaker 1: make themselves look bigger. And I know you guys have
Speaker 1: both probably seen these videos of the great horned owls.
Speaker 1: They're just sitting there, they're cool, They've got their little
Speaker 1: like ears up there, you know, long, and then as
Speaker 1: soon as they're threatened, they just like hunched down and
Speaker 1: like fan out. They puff to make themselves look larger
Speaker 1: because they're intimidated and they're trying to be intimidating back.
Speaker 1: So if they're me too, I just put myself out
Speaker 1: and I do this with my cheeks. Me too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to look as fat as possible. But
Speaker 1: I mean, if if this theory is that you know,
Speaker 1: the owls were threatened so they were coming up, they're
Speaker 1: not going to be this like slim what you would
Speaker 1: see in the distance on a bird photography. It's going
Speaker 1: to be this like huge wings out and if not
Speaker 1: going to look anything like the description. That's my I mean,
Speaker 1: that's my big theory with it. Also, the size thing
Speaker 1: is a problem. The size is problem. The other thing
Speaker 1: is if they had young guns that were getting old
Speaker 1: to nearly leave the nest, and that obviously their nest
Speaker 1: was nearby for a long time, they were used to
Speaker 1: it and people were walking back and forth, and that
Speaker 1: they never had a problem with it before, Why why
Speaker 1: suddenly that night? Well, and and that's the thing is
Speaker 1: that I have the same question. I don't know how
Speaker 1: long Glennie Lankford lived there, but if there was a nest,
Speaker 1: they had to be aware of it. It can't be
Speaker 1: as if the you know, the the owls just showed
Speaker 1: up because they reused the nest year after year, so
Speaker 1: everybody should have known that they were there. My other
Speaker 1: problem with this is is what do most animals do
Speaker 1: when you fire a gun? They go away. They're not
Speaker 1: going to keep coming back. They take off. I mean
Speaker 1: only the most um aggressive. Yeah, most aggressive and motivated
Speaker 1: because like there's young right there who were in danger.
Speaker 1: Kind of animal, you know, an animal will then really
Speaker 1: stick around regardless of that noise because they're trying to
Speaker 1: intimidate you back. But you fire a gun, the birds,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go away, especially something like every I mean,
Speaker 1: you fire a gun out of bear and you're between
Speaker 1: you know, a mama and her cubs. She's probably gonna
Speaker 1: keep coming at you and it's a bird and you're
Speaker 1: not right, and but you're not in between them anymore.
Speaker 1: You've retreated to a space. They're probably going to be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, never mind, this is dumb. I don't
Speaker 1: want to do it anymore. Absolutely, all right, Well that's
Speaker 1: enough about owls. Let's talk about the next theory, which
Speaker 1: is prankster aliens. Yeah, this an actual theory people have
Speaker 1: is just your own. This is my own. I'm making
Speaker 1: this up. I mean, unless these people had some amazing
Speaker 1: lightning in their barn like this, this whole thing doesn't
Speaker 1: work for me to be true aliens. Because here's my
Speaker 1: problem with. Okay, so the aliens are born, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have a high old time at these people's expense. But
Speaker 1: you know what has never happened. The description of these
Speaker 1: aliens has never been made anywhere else. So you would
Speaker 1: think that if they had come down and these little
Speaker 1: three for four ft tall funny your guys had wandered around.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a description that matches this well, with
Speaker 1: the claw hands and the big yellow eyes and the
Speaker 1: thin mouth like that description. You know, you you typically
Speaker 1: hear about the grays and the greens um and then
Speaker 1: some other weird humanoids, but these guys I don't other
Speaker 1: than in cartoons. I mean, the aliens in this described
Speaker 1: really make me think of um, remember that cartoon Lilo
Speaker 1: and Stitch. The little character Stitch is who they make
Speaker 1: me think of, you know, like almost as if they
Speaker 1: were an inspiration for it. But that kind of alien
Speaker 1: is I've never really seen that description before, and I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it since, which you would think that if
Speaker 1: it was, you know, something that was going to happen,
Speaker 1: it would happen more often than once. I thought I
Speaker 1: had seen somewhere a different drawing that was like very
Speaker 1: similar to this description. I'm just trying to find it.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. No, but I thought there
Speaker 1: was one. But maybe I'm making it up. I think
Speaker 1: I'm really making it up. You might be. I think
Speaker 1: I am hallucinating. Probably, Yeah, Okay, Well, let's move on
Speaker 1: to the third theory in the loop, which this one
Speaker 1: is again, Uh, this is a speculation on my part um.
Speaker 1: This is that they were all on drugs, because I
Speaker 1: see that it's they if they're intoxicated in some way
Speaker 1: to come up with this whole weirdo scenario. It can't
Speaker 1: be boozed because the police said that they didn't smell.
Speaker 1: Nothing indicates that they smelled alcohol, or they seem super
Speaker 1: dry runk, which to me means that they must have
Speaker 1: been tripping in some way, shape or form. There there
Speaker 1: are accounts that say that some beer cans were seen
Speaker 1: in a trash can, or a empty booze bottle was seen,
Speaker 1: but a that is not proof that they had been
Speaker 1: consumed that night. Those things could have been there for
Speaker 1: a while. I beer cans in my my garbage can
Speaker 1: for you know, a week at a time. So it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. And in the fifties, you know,
Speaker 1: there was marijuana was was popular, emphetta means were getting popular. Um.
Speaker 1: The other one that would have been getting popular at
Speaker 1: that time was heroin. But in rural Kentucky, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: imagine that the last two would have been all that
Speaker 1: used unless we say, okay, well we've got a couple
Speaker 1: of folks who were carnival workers, who were traveling carnival workers.
Speaker 1: Then they could have gone to bigger metro areas and
Speaker 1: maybe been exposed and picked it up and then brought
Speaker 1: it back, and then everybody just had one raging party
Speaker 1: that somebody had a bad trip and it got out
Speaker 1: of hand, or they all just kind of as a
Speaker 1: group went crazy. Well, this could be an m k
Speaker 1: Ultra experiment about the right time. I mean it is
Speaker 1: the right the right time. It could be an l
Speaker 1: A's d trip and gone horribly wrong. I guess it's
Speaker 1: just it's such a weird place to have done that
Speaker 1: why explained isolation These people out in the sticks. True,
Speaker 1: and there was a military base and the military police
Speaker 1: came to investigate, and the army came to investigate afterwards.
Speaker 1: Why would they do that if they were like, well,
Speaker 1: it's just owls obviously. Yeah. Well maybe the alphory is
Speaker 1: actually relatively new, but m k Ultra, I think that's
Speaker 1: my new theory. Okay, alright, good, good that Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's also a variant and that they were highing drugs,
Speaker 1: and that is our favorite go to theory, which is
Speaker 1: air god the bread. Well that's the one thing because
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're doing some sort of drugs, then
Speaker 1: assuming it wasn't m it was not em ka Ultra. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would doubt that the adults would be giving the
Speaker 1: drugs to the kids and the kids did the kids
Speaker 1: actually saw these things too, as well as everybody else, right,
Speaker 1: I believe so. But then again, but they were hidden
Speaker 1: under If they're preteens, then they're very um, very easy
Speaker 1: to to influence. Yeah, and if they were hidden under
Speaker 1: a bed the entire time, they probably didn't see them.
Speaker 1: They just were like, yeah, the adults said this was
Speaker 1: a thing. So that I'm still lacking the whole red moulitary.
Speaker 1: They were just on accident. I guess it's possible, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody used the wrong kind of mushrooms or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a possibility as well. I mean, it's it's anything
Speaker 1: could be if we If we move from there, we
Speaker 1: have the theory that a lot of skeptics put out,
Speaker 1: which is that the whole thing is a freaking hoax.
Speaker 1: And again, I don't mean to knock on the folks
Speaker 1: who worked for the carnival, but they're the ones who
Speaker 1: were pointed out a lot for the theory, because they
Speaker 1: would be the ones who would will they be used
Speaker 1: to pull them one over on the on the marks.
Speaker 1: So they could have just been doing this whole thing
Speaker 1: for the laws. Just hey, this is gonna be really
Speaker 1: funny and let's screw with these people. Please never use
Speaker 1: that term ever again. Yeah, please don't. But my laws
Speaker 1: all the time? Oh my god. Yeah right now, that's okay,
Speaker 1: I'm used to it. So it could be that they
Speaker 1: were just doing the whole thing as a prank and
Speaker 1: maybe it got a little lot of hand, a little
Speaker 1: out of hand, and it it got away from them,
Speaker 1: or maybe the whole thing was just you know, let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and screw with the Sheriff's department. Except in
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department really believes it. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: do you know which one had the which gun? They're
Speaker 1: actually both of the dudes who had guns. They were both.
Speaker 1: They were both carnies, right, yes, yes, we both the
Speaker 1: ones worked that. I was gonna say, maybe it's you know,
Speaker 1: Billy Ray says, you know, hey, Lucky, come look at this,
Speaker 1: ha ha, better grab our guns, and then Lucky starts
Speaker 1: shooting and he goes, oh, no crap. But they were
Speaker 1: both the I mean, they would have been in on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean. And the thing is, I never understand why
Speaker 1: people pull hoaxes. If it is indeed a hoax, I
Speaker 1: don't get it. So I can't really rationalize what would
Speaker 1: have motivated them to do it. Just to prank brow,
Speaker 1: just a prank the attention. I guess. Well, they didn't
Speaker 1: go to the authorities with the tail of a massive
Speaker 1: gun battle, right correct, Only a few shots were fired. Um,
Speaker 1: And so maybe what happened is they had a little
Speaker 1: gun accident. They shot a hole in their in their
Speaker 1: landlord's screen, and then they wanted in the rental. In
Speaker 1: the rental, they wanted to come up with a good excuse.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, we were under attack by aliens,
Speaker 1: and so I had to shoot through your screen. Please
Speaker 1: don't make me pay to replace it. Have you ever
Speaker 1: seen the hole that a toy two caliber bullet makes?
Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't. I don't think that I would
Speaker 1: ever say anything to the landlord and hopes that they
Speaker 1: would never notice it. Yeah, so it does seem like
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble to go to just to cover
Speaker 1: up one little booboo. Well yeah, and that's the only
Speaker 1: other thing that I could had come up with was
Speaker 1: as a justification, was you know, maybe they were doing
Speaker 1: something elicit that they shouldn't have been doing. Like let's
Speaker 1: say they were poaching, and they realized that there's a
Speaker 1: neighbor who's gonna squeal on them, and so they come
Speaker 1: up with this entire kookie story to explain the gunshots
Speaker 1: while they were wandering around in the dark poaching deer
Speaker 1: or something. But like, why would you go poaching in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night like that though, you're serious, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the time to do it. Yeah, the animals
Speaker 1: are asleep, you shine a flashlight and you've seen deer
Speaker 1: in the headlights, you know they freeze. I just don't
Speaker 1: shine a light and you shoot them. I think that's silly.
Speaker 1: I think it's silly. It's easy hunting, is why people
Speaker 1: do it. It's it's that's easy hunting. It's actually easy
Speaker 1: hunting the other way around too, because have you heard
Speaker 1: about those places of the game Wards put a fake
Speaker 1: deer on the side of the road, people jump out
Speaker 1: of their car and shoot it. Yep, and get the
Speaker 1: whole thing recorded on camera. It's quite arrested. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Um, But I mean that's the end of
Speaker 1: our theories. I mean, there's not a whole lot here
Speaker 1: because while the whole group has maintained what they saw,
Speaker 1: what they say they saw, they've never changed their stories.
Speaker 1: There has, Like I said, there's been the additions over time,
Speaker 1: Like there was an addition um that a couple of
Speaker 1: the people the next morning just up and packed up
Speaker 1: and left. They all just left the place. Screwed, We're
Speaker 1: out of here. There's aliens, which is not actually true
Speaker 1: because they were around and anyway, Yeah, they got better transportation.
Speaker 1: But the fact that these people were all at the
Speaker 1: house and they were getting their photographs taken by the news.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously they were still there. They hung around,
Speaker 1: so nothing I know of. Never mind where you say
Speaker 1: it was the Ferris Wheel, I was gonna say it
Speaker 1: was like publish it, oh, for for the carnival they
Speaker 1: worked for, for the Barker whatever whatever, whatever got it
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, you guys got any other I think? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that too, kay, ultra Okay, I
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