WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Kelly-Hopkinsville Encounter 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.080 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by goats, but 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:06.000 only the table ones. Instead, it is supported by the 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:09.799 generous contributions of people like you, our listeners on Patreon. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:13.680 Visit patreon dot com slash thinking sideways to learn more 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:29.760 Thinking Sideways I don't just stories of things we simply 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:35.560 don't know the answer too. Well. Hey there, and welcome 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.160 again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.360 of course, that was always joined by and Joe, who 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.640 looked confused. Joe did it like he forgot his cue. 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:53.680 I forgot my name. Uh. Well, this week we have 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.480 another mystery for you as always, but before we get 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.840 into the mystery, got a little bit of something that 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:02.320 I wanted to share with everybody. What I wanted to 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.559 go talk about was something that we're gonna be doing 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.520 for about the next month or so. Anybody who's listening 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.480 to this podcast knows that we've been doing this for 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.800 three years straight, and other than a couple of holidays, 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.440 we really haven't ever taken any time off well, and 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.400 we re record those episodes. We've put out an episode 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.760 every week for three years, right, and so we're always 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:27.800 doing research. And it's the summer and we're a little tired, 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.800 so we've decided that we're gonna dial it back a 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.800 little bit. Now that that doesn't mean that we're not 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.000 going to be putting out episodes every week as normal, 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.000 because we will, but for what we're gonna dub the 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.960 summer series, we're gonna take on some of the smaller, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.000 easier mysteries for a while. There's a ton of those 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.800 out there, by the way, there are and there's episodes 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.400 are still gonna be probably pretty close or normal is 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.800 you know, they're not going to be the two hour epics, 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:56.240 but them as much as we can. But at the 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.040 same time, what that's gonna allow us to do is 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.160 we're gonna be able to recoup a little bit end 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.520 at the same time start working on some of the 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.880 bigger stories that we've been wanting to do but just 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.160 haven't had the time because it's yeah, well it's it's like, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.320 I know you're working on that one. Yeah, I mean 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.919 I have been literally since we started, and Joe, you're 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.600 working on that other one. And I've got that thing 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.440 I'm looking into, so yeah, tons of time. Don't worry, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.320 we got it. When I'm done sunbathing, I will look 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:27.320 into that thing. Yeah, my tan is perfect. Yeah, my 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:28.799 other one. I've been working on that for like two 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:33.200 years now, off and on, not not constantly. Yeah yeah, 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.840 well now you get a chance. So we're gonna go 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.280 ahead and do that. So now you know what's going 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:42.600 on Summer series with Summer series. So onto today's mystery, 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.079 which was suggested by Kine. Today we're gonna so let's 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:47.560 go ahead and get back to the mystery, or get 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.920 into the mystery, I should say. Today we're gonna be 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:54.360 talking about the Kelly Hopskinsville Encounter, which is a purported 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.720 extraterrestrial encounter or an ET encounter. When did it happened? 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:05.680 It took place in nineteenth five, specifically on August one. Uh. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.720 And I haven't done one of these stories for a while, 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.680 so for anybody who doesn't remember, I always like to 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:16.280 give you the fullest version or the most inflated version, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.800 because that's what you're gonna find out there on the internet. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:22.960 And then we'll roll back and we'll clear up some 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.320 details before we get into theories. Our story takes place, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.799 as I said, on the twenty one August nine, it 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.600 was in the evening, and it took place between the 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:39.360 towns of Kelly and Hopkinsville. Hopkinsville, I'm gonna butcher that 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.800 every time if I'm not careful. Hopkinsville, which are located 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:48.080 in the southwestern portion of Kentucky, and really Hopkinsville is 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.680 the town. Kelly is really just kind of a small 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:59.240 residential and unincorporated. Yeah, basically, And our story is going 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.600 to take place in a rented home. It is the 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:05.560 home of Glennie Langford. And I would not want to 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:14.360 rent these people. Why you'll find out. Um. So, Glennie 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:18.760 Lankford on the night in question, had her entire family 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:23.839 over for dinner. She had her three young children, which 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:33.200 were Lonnie, Charlton, and Mary. It's you were expecting the 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:39.000 character from the fresh principal belair. Okay, I'm just gonna 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.719 let it go. You see what happens when we do 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.640 fun stories, we get weird right away. Anyway. Yeah, okay, 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.600 So those three were younger children. I think the oldest 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:54.480 was if I remember right. She had two older sons 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.680 who were from a prior marriage. One of those sons 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:02.280 was Elmer Lucky Sutton and his wife Vera, and then 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.760 the other older son was J. C. Sutton and his 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:10.159 wife Aileen Alien's brother was also there. His name is 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.159 op Baker. And last, but not least, they had a 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.599 family friend over by the name of Billy Ray Taylor, 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.760 and Billy Ray's wife, June was also There's a lot 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:28.320 of people. I don't know. It does not look to 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.640 be a small place, so I'm sure that it wasn't 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.680 as if they were all crammed into one teamy room 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.840 to try and eat dinner. But that's where they were. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.800 They were over to have dinner that night apparently, so 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.960 according to the legend or the story, however you want 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.640 to say it, the tailors, so that's Billy Ray and June, 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.240 along with Lucky and his wife Vera were all traveling 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:58.159 carnival workers. So yes, we have aliens and carnies all 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.640 in one store, just like American Hall our story all 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:04.720 over again. It's perfect. Uh, So they were They were 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.159 just like carnival workers. They worked the rides and stuff, right. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.440 They weren't like side show or anything like that. No, 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.440 they were not side show attractions themselves. I believe they 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.360 were just plane plane workers. And what exactly they did 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:22.359 I've never been able to locate. We don't care. Um. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.880 So according to this story, seven o'clock at night, Billy 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.480 Ray went to the well to get some water because 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.320 the house didn't have indoor plumbing, and he reported that 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.680 he saw a flashing light in the sky and that 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.320 it was a flying saucer and it landed ahead of him, 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.279 just past the tree line. He immediately booked it back 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.400 to the house to to tell everybody what he had seen. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.000 And this is where the accountings will split depending on 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.160 the version you have. Either an hour after he saw 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.840 this he convinced Lucky to go with him to investigate 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.680 the craft, or some time not too long after he 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.000 got back to the house the dog started barking and 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:09.760 going nuts. Whichever case it is, Lucky and Billy Ray 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.640 walked out of the house. Of course, being good red 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.280 blooded Americans, they they had guns. Of one of them 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.560 had a shotgun and the other one had a twenty 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.360 two caliber rifle. It's not nearly adequate enough for dealing 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.680 with aliens. Well, I don't know that they knew what 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:28.200 they were getting into ahead of time, but depending it 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.320 really doesn't matter whether it was the hour later they 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.120 went to investigate, or the dog was barking, because in 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.040 both this is where their story versions merged. Back together. 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.160 As as soon as they walked out into the front yard, 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.440 they saw ahead of them a creature on the ground 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.160 walking towards them. I'm gonna give this description in plurals 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.520 just because they're supposed to be multiples of them. But 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:56.240 supposedly this creature had its hands raised. It was about 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.360 three to four feet tall, had clawed hands, was green, 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:06.080 had short, thin arms, large yellow eyes, large pointed or 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.880 bat wing shaped ears, depending on the version that that 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.960 you come across, and a long, thin mouth. Being the 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:18.240 brave men that they were, they immediately both shot at 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:24.120 the creature. If they managed to hit it, they apparently 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.640 didn't do any damage because it jumped in the air, 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:32.560 did a backflip, and then ran into the woods. I 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.120 suddenly realized that these aliens might have wanted to be 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.800 in the carnival. Maybe that's all they wanted, and they 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:44.720 just wanted to be the shot. Yeah. So so after 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.640 after both of them have shot at the creature at 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.440 its runaway, they of course do the same and they 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.480 run back backflip. Yeah, that it's backflip and ran in 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.960 the woods. They of course turned around and run back 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.240 into the house. Did they blips too or no? No, no, 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.840 they just ran um. But they of course then shut 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.839 the door, the screen door. I think that's got to 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.720 do a lot of good. It really does, because here's 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:12.800 the funny thing is that moments later the creature popped 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.680 its head up in one of the windows that of 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.160 the house, and of course it had a scary face. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:24.040 Everybody freaked out, and so again both men began to 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.920 shoot at it through the screen window. And you know, 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.760 you ever touched up a gun indoors, Yeah, it's extremely loud. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.920 It is very loud, particularly guns like that. Yeah. Well 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.360 the shotgun, primarily the twenty two, wouldn't be too bad, 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.439 but the shotgun would be really loud and do a 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:45.880 crapload of damage to the windows. Um, So of course 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.679 they take their shot at it. They creature disappears from 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.800 the window. They're pretty sure they got it. They run 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.840 outside to see the body, at which point they discovered 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.760 there's nothing there. They apparently must not have hit it 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.760 while they're outside. Uh there, I guess they were kind 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.880 of under the eve of the house, and as one 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.400 of them stepped out from under the eve, the creature 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.079 reached its clawed hand down and tried to grab their hair, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.120 which of course, scared the crap out of it. I 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:18.959 can hear the sound the soundtrack to this where it's 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:24.199 just like fever pitch of like yeah yeah. So so 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.360 now for a third time, they guys open fire and 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.360 apparently one of them must have hit it this time 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.599 because it fell from the roof. Did it actually know? 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.520 It floated down from the roof and as soon as 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.959 it touched the ground, it ran away into the woods, 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.080 again doing backflips the entire time. I'm only only that 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:52.160 one time, so you think he's not really welcome these humans. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:57.280 They do the strangest well greetings, I don't understand it. Um. 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.920 So at this point, of course, Lucky and Billy ray 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.760 they immediately run back in the house again and shut 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.920 the door. And for several hours after the fact, the 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.320 creatures kept popping their heads up in the windows or 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.720 the doorway, and the men kept shooting at them, which 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.520 apparently we continue to have no effect. And apparently I've 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.560 read somewhere they were like, what fifteen or twenty of 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.280 these things there. There's reportedly there were up somewhere between 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:28.840 fifteen and twenty, yes, all over the house. So basically 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.080 this house is surrounded by these things. It really sounds 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.640 to me like it's extraterrestrial whack a mole at this point, 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.319 and they're popping up in the windows and every time 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.840 they see one, right, yes, it's it's a weird version 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.080 of duck hunt. Yeah, it's kind of like it like 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:52.320 get out of the stop it exactly. So eventually everybody, 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.080 all eleven people in the house, they've had it, they've 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.480 had enough, they can't take anymore. They all bolt for 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.720 the door and they all run to the cars. They 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.959 pile into two cars and they drive to the police 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.800 station in Hopkinsville, understandably, and the police are a little 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.479 tentative and suspicious of their story. There, a little skeptical 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.800 of what all these people are claiming. Uh. And from 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.680 the reading I've done, there was a couple of factors 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.439 that eventually got him to go along or at least 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.920 possibly believe them. And part of that was the fact 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.160 that everybody appeared to be sober, wasn't as if anybody 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:34.240 was sauce drunk. There was also the fact that they 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.920 appeared to be genuinely all very very frightened. And oh 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.959 there's the other thing, which is the police. We're worried 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.920 about civilians having a gun battle in the middle of 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.440 arrest semi residential area, which is fair. So of course 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.559 they went ahead and they agreed to go investigate. So 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:57.280 the police go to the property. Uh, there's actually a 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.560 lot of people who go to the property that night 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.360 to quote unquote investigate this situation. There's four local police officers, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:10.040 five state troopers, three deputy sheriffs, and four military police 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.439 from Fort Campbell. You got to imagine that there's not 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.439 a whole lot going on in that area of Kentucky. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.680 Kentucky happen and you know, I think if somebody's like, no, 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.680 but really there's aliens, you'd be like, well, I'm I'm 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:29.280 gonna go, jam are you going cool? The thing to remember, though, 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:34.559 is that flying saucers had just started to become popular 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:39.440 and most people regarded them as as fake. It's just 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.480 this this silly thing. So I find it very hard 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.600 to imagine that that's there. Wud be any other reason 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.840 that the cops had all these guys would have gone like, 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.760 we've got nothing else to do. Um. It sounds like 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:57.120 the military officers, the military police were called in because 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.839 of the fact that there was all this gunfighting going on. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.600 And they were worried about needing support that's with reading. 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.600 So they go there and everybody gets to the property, 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.079 and evidently in the time between when the family left 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.000 and got to the sheriff's office and then came back, 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.600 the et s had beat feet, they had completely disappeared. 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.360 They looked around, Uh, there were no signs of the 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.200 aliens or the only thing that there was signs of 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.920 was bullet holes in the walls and in the screens. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.880 By the way, guys, yeah, that's why you used a 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.120 shotgun because you don't have to aim. Well they didn't. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.280 I mean, they didn't hit any of the eleven people 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.360 that were in the house, so that's pretty good. It 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.840 could have been way worse. It basically think of one 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:49.600 of those nineteen seventies or eighties comedy sitcom situations where 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.080 the guy with the gun is pointing it forward and 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.200 he he shuffles to his left and everybody else's group 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.080 behind him, so they're just they're moving like a dial 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.920 so that they're out of his range. That's exactly what 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:05.960 I have to imagine was going on. Probably, I think, yeah, yeah, 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.960 they had put the three youngest ones underneath the bed 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:13.360 for you know, obviously good reason. Well it suppostly to 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.320 keep them load to the ground. Joe. Yeah, So of course, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.280 the like I said, they searched the place. They can't 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.840 find anything. There is a there is a green glow 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:27.840 reported on near a fence, and it's said that that 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.440 was where one of the creatures was hit by a bullet. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:35.160 Umod well it was that or some people in some 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.600 things that will said that might be where the craft 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:42.840 was at. I will mention that when shot these creatures, 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.960 it made a metallic sound, almost like you know, shooting 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.440 another piece of metal. You know that ping, that iconic 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:54.080 bullet ping, That's what it this sounded apparently made. Other 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.440 than that, they couldn't find anything, so they left at 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.320 about two o'clock in the morning. Everybody said, sorry, guys, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.840 we don't see anything, and they left, and everybody settled 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.280 down for the night and tried to try to go 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.720 to bed until about three thirty in the morning when 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.760 the et s returned and be can their antics of 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.120 scratching all the walls and walking on the ceiling and 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.440 popping their ugly little heads roof, maybe not ceiling on 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.280 the roof, thank you, um and popping the little heads 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:26.360 up in the windows. And this continued on until dawn 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.160 the next morning, so the morning of the twenty two, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:34.600 it eventually stopped. The authorities did come back that morning 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.720 to the property they wanted to investigate, and mostly what 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.760 they were gonna do is or did, was they interviewed everybody, 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.800 and as police tend to do, they interview you separately 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.480 from the bunch. The one thing about this is that 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:53.440 everybody's story was almost consistent. They matched up. It wasn't 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.160 as if there was any wild, you know, variances between them. 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:01.000 I feel like that's almost more suspicious it is. You know, 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:02.600 it's more like, all right, what are we going to 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.040 tell the police than it is. This is my recollection 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.000 of it, and it's probably slightly different than you know, 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.720 all the other people's recollection of it. But I think 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.000 the cops, uh, you know, they would have they would 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.159 have smelled b as if everybody's sort of stories that 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:21.640 sync up perfectly. Probably didn't. They're similar enough and it's 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:26.479 not like they're wildly different, which witness statements can easily be. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.080 You know, he was wearing a red shirt. I think 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.520 he was wearing a blue shirt. I had a white 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.040 shirt on everybody that happens, but it doesn't appear that 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.879 that was the case. Here a couple of the people 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.639 were asked to draw the creatures, you know, can you 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.640 can you give me a little rendering of it, and 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:49.440 they all were relatively similar. They had differences, but they 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:54.879 weren't strikingly huge differences. And uh, that's it. The e 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.480 t s these little creatures. They never came back, They 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.040 never came back to bother these people, and they were 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.040 never heard from again. Where their footprints and stuff around, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:09.720 No little alien Doc Martin Prince something like that. No 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.880 burn marks on the ground where their saucer took off. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.160 No burn marks on the ground where their saucer took off. 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.040 So let's do this now, as I'm wanting to do. 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.800 I just told you the most inflated, fantastic version. Now 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:25.680 let's clear a few facts, because if if some people 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.439 have been able to get ahold of all of the 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.360 newspapers from the time in the area and other records, 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.280 and there's a lot of things that aren't quite right 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:40.320 in these inflated versions. So to start with, Uh, some 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:45.000 of the stories say that the creatures themselves glowed whitish, 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.960 and that they glowed a brighter white when they were shot, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.159 and that appears to have been something that was inserted 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.919 to the story after the fact. There's a couple of 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.880 insertions that happened as the story spreads and people are 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:03.160 rewriting the account. Shocking, I know, I know. We also 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.919 said that the creatures were green. That was actually inserted 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.560 after the fact. They actually were described as kind of 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:15.160 a silver grayish color, so not little green men as 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:19.240 we talked about before. There was there's reportedly between fifteen 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:23.240 to twenty the little guys running around according to the statements. 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.320 Actually only at one point was more than one of 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.480 them seen, and that was when one was in front 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.159 of the door and another one was in a tree 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.000 farther away. Other than that, they were always seen one 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.480 at a time with no others around, so the number 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.400 again seems to be in An addition, the story says 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:47.159 that Billy Ray and Lucky we're basically dumping boxes of 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:53.960 ammunition into the walls of this house, which actually it 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.359 turns out that's not the case. There was only a 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.880 single hole in a single screen aane of a window, 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.080 and that was consistent with about the size of a 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.159 twenty two caliber bullet. But there was one, but that 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.199 was just the one hole, so it wasn't as if 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.880 they were just shooting like mad. You'll see it said 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.400 that the Air Force came out. Well, actually the men 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.359 that came out were from the Army. The Air Force 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.800 does mention this event in their their documents on Project 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.960 Blue Book, but they don't don't say anything about it 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.320 though every well they say a little bit about it, 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:32.000 but everything they say about it is completely untotally dismissive. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.280 The Air Force doesn't take it in any way, shape 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:39.159 or form to be uh to be something valid to 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.560 investigator or to even consider. There's the UFO, the one 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.080 that Billy Ray said he saw. Turns out there are 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.440 her There were meteor showers at the time in the area. 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:53.600 The Kappa signals is an annual meteor shower that happens 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.200 around the same time of year every year, and it 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:00.800 was at that it was at that time that particular year, 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.639 so that would explain the light that Billy Ray saw. 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.199 And like I said before that, you know, UFOs were 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:09.000 kind of the cool craze, so that's you can understand 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.720 why he decided it had to be a UFO. The 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.680 only other thing is that weird green glow by the fence. 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.159 It wasn't there the next day and there was nothing, 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:21.119 no sign of anything there. And it's believed that that 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.439 was fox fire, which is a naturally occurring It's a 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:29.400 fungus that's bioluminescent, and so they think that maybe it 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:33.120 was just fox fire that somebody saw because fox fire 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.119 girls on rotting wood. But why would it not have 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.600 been there the next night somebod who may not have 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.360 seen it. You gotta think about it. It's not as 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.240 if it's a beacon of light. It's kind of dimly glowing, 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.320 so if you stick your head next to it, you're like, oh, 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:51.400 look that's glowing, and then hut away, you don't really 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.520 notice it anymore. That's a guess on my part, I 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.399 will completely admit, because there's no description of what was 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.040 at the sight of where that fox fire. Supposed a 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.680 fox fire was the impression it was on as dick 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.439 or something like that, or a branch. Well, it's on 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.320 rotting woods, so it happened to be. But from there, 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.160 I don't know the size or quantity or anything like that. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:16.320 So I guess that means it's time to go to theories. Yeah, yeah, 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.960 we're going to start with the most popular theory, which 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.040 is owls. Yeah, it's a good one. I mean, I 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:26.600 think it's a good one. Who Okay, sorry, I couldn't 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:30.720 help it. Okay. The theory goes that Billy Ray worked 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.320 up about reading about the flying saucers. As we were saying, 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.600 I saw a meteor and convinced himself and then everybody 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.679 else that it's a ufo. And this is on his 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.879 trek to get water from the well. On his way there, 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:48.000 he encounters the nest of a madd pair of great 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:53.320 horned owls. They are either already upset and worked up, 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:57.640 or he does something that peeves them off, and their 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:02.320 natural reaction is to defend their net nest. So they 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.639 do that, just as owls are known to do. They 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.239 fly in and they try and attack. Because at that 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.800 time of year, they would have outlets in the nest, 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.640 so there would have been young. Um, those young would 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.600 have been about nine ten months old. They're nearly full 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.000 grown at that point and probably about ready to leave 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.880 the nest. But parents can be very defensive. I've I mean, 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:24.880 we've also heard about how hard it is to live 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.520 with teenagers, so you can imagine why these owls were 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.880 so on edge and just get them out of here. 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:33.080 Maybe that's what they're doing. They're coming out, coming out 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:34.600 to ask these people to come over and kill. They 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:41.560 are young, can't take it. So so these these owls 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.400 they follow Billy Ray. According to this theory, they followed 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:48.320 Billy Ray back to the house. At one point one 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:50.760 of them landed on the ground and began to walk 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:54.840 towards the house. And in bad light, I can I 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.040 can kind of understand this. Have you ever seen a 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.119 bird that shaped like an owl? You know, with the 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.520 short legs and the the kind of tall, stocky body walk. 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:07.640 They walk weird. It's it's kind of a weird, stilted movement. 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:09.800