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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways I don't just stories of things we simply

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Speaker 1: again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve,

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Speaker 1: of course, that was always joined by and Joe, who

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Speaker 1: looked confused. Joe did it like he forgot his cue.

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Speaker 1: I forgot my name. Uh. Well, this week we have

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Speaker 1: another mystery for you as always, but before we get

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Speaker 1: for about the next month or so. Anybody who's listening

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Speaker 1: summer series, we're gonna take on some of the smaller,

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Speaker 1: easier mysteries for a while. There's a ton of those

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Speaker 1: or so high. Great horn owls most and the largest

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00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: ones are in like Alaska, and then the further south

428
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: you go, the smaller they get. Their wingspans are about

429
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: three ft. Great hordeles. Yes, I was literally just looking

430
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: at okay, because I swear I was reading that they

431
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: were that size, but you know what, it might not

432
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: have been region specific. That's where I got tripped up. Okay, okay,

433
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean, they're they're owls. They're weird looking.

434
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen an owl? You know how they

435
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: turn their head. They basically have no neck, It's just

436
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 1: a giant swivel. And some of them have kind of

437
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: this whitish line of feathers right there, So that could

438
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: account for that that thin long mouth that was described.

439
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: I guess my sorry, I'm gonna let you finish, and

440
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: then I'll just say my big problem with you, because

441
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm about to jump into the problems with the whole

442
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: owl here. Yeah, I mean, one of my big problems

443
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: with it is that specifically great horned owls, but like

444
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: most owls, really most animals in this world, when they

445
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: are trying to be defensive or scare things away, they

446
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: make themselves look bigger. And I know you guys have

447
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: both probably seen these videos of the great horned owls.

448
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: They're just sitting there, they're cool, They've got their little

449
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: like ears up there, you know, long, and then as

450
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: soon as they're threatened, they just like hunched down and

451
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: like fan out. They puff to make themselves look larger

452
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: because they're intimidated and they're trying to be intimidating back.

453
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: So if they're me too, I just put myself out

454
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: and I do this with my cheeks. Me too, Yeah,

455
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: I just want to look as fat as possible. But

456
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: I mean, if if this theory is that you know,

457
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: the owls were threatened so they were coming up, they're

458
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: not going to be this like slim what you would

459
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: see in the distance on a bird photography. It's going

460
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: to be this like huge wings out and if not

461
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: going to look anything like the description. That's my I mean,

462
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: that's my big theory with it. Also, the size thing

463
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: is a problem. The size is problem. The other thing

464
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: is if they had young guns that were getting old

465
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: to nearly leave the nest, and that obviously their nest

466
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: was nearby for a long time, they were used to

467
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: it and people were walking back and forth, and that

468
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: they never had a problem with it before, Why why

469
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: suddenly that night? Well, and and that's the thing is

470
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: that I have the same question. I don't know how

471
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: long Glennie Lankford lived there, but if there was a nest,

472
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: they had to be aware of it. It can't be

473
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: as if the you know, the the owls just showed

474
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: up because they reused the nest year after year, so

475
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: everybody should have known that they were there. My other

476
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: problem with this is is what do most animals do

477
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: when you fire a gun? They go away. They're not

478
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: going to keep coming back. They take off. I mean

479
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: only the most um aggressive. Yeah, most aggressive and motivated

480
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: because like there's young right there who were in danger.

481
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: Kind of animal, you know, an animal will then really

482
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: stick around regardless of that noise because they're trying to

483
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: intimidate you back. But you fire a gun, the birds,

484
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna go away, especially something like every I mean,

485
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: you fire a gun out of bear and you're between

486
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, a mama and her cubs. She's probably gonna

487
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: keep coming at you and it's a bird and you're

488
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: not right, and but you're not in between them anymore.

489
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: You've retreated to a space. They're probably going to be like,

490
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: you know what, never mind, this is dumb. I don't

491
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: want to do it anymore. Absolutely, all right, Well that's

492
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: enough about owls. Let's talk about the next theory, which

493
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: is prankster aliens. Yeah, this an actual theory people have

494
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: is just your own. This is my own. I'm making

495
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: this up. I mean, unless these people had some amazing

496
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: lightning in their barn like this, this whole thing doesn't

497
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: work for me to be true aliens. Because here's my

498
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: problem with. Okay, so the aliens are born, they're gonna

499
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: have a high old time at these people's expense. But

500
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: you know what has never happened. The description of these

501
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: aliens has never been made anywhere else. So you would

502
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: think that if they had come down and these little

503
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: three for four ft tall funny your guys had wandered around.

504
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a description that matches this well, with

505
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: the claw hands and the big yellow eyes and the

506
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: thin mouth like that description. You know, you you typically

507
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: hear about the grays and the greens um and then

508
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: some other weird humanoids, but these guys I don't other

509
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: than in cartoons. I mean, the aliens in this described

510
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: really make me think of um, remember that cartoon Lilo

511
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: and Stitch. The little character Stitch is who they make

512
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: me think of, you know, like almost as if they

513
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: were an inspiration for it. But that kind of alien

514
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: is I've never really seen that description before, and I

515
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: haven't seen it since, which you would think that if

516
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: it was, you know, something that was going to happen,

517
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: it would happen more often than once. I thought I

518
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: had seen somewhere a different drawing that was like very

519
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: similar to this description. I'm just trying to find it.

520
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. No, but I thought there

521
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: was one. But maybe I'm making it up. I think

522
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm really making it up. You might be. I think

523
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: I am hallucinating. Probably, Yeah, Okay, Well, let's move on

524
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: to the third theory in the loop, which this one

525
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: is again, Uh, this is a speculation on my part um.

526
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: This is that they were all on drugs, because I

527
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: see that it's they if they're intoxicated in some way

528
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: to come up with this whole weirdo scenario. It can't

529
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: be boozed because the police said that they didn't smell.

530
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Nothing indicates that they smelled alcohol, or they seem super

531
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: dry runk, which to me means that they must have

532
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: been tripping in some way, shape or form. There there

533
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: are accounts that say that some beer cans were seen

534
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: in a trash can, or a empty booze bottle was seen,

535
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: but a that is not proof that they had been

536
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: consumed that night. Those things could have been there for

537
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: a while. I beer cans in my my garbage can

538
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: for you know, a week at a time. So it's hard.

539
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. And in the fifties, you know,

540
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: there was marijuana was was popular, emphetta means were getting popular. Um.

541
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: The other one that would have been getting popular at

542
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: that time was heroin. But in rural Kentucky, I wouldn't

543
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: imagine that the last two would have been all that

544
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: used unless we say, okay, well we've got a couple

545
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: of folks who were carnival workers, who were traveling carnival workers.

546
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: Then they could have gone to bigger metro areas and

547
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: maybe been exposed and picked it up and then brought

548
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: it back, and then everybody just had one raging party

549
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: that somebody had a bad trip and it got out

550
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: of hand, or they all just kind of as a

551
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: group went crazy. Well, this could be an m k

552
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: Ultra experiment about the right time. I mean it is

553
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: the right the right time. It could be an l

554
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: A's d trip and gone horribly wrong. I guess it's

555
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: just it's such a weird place to have done that

556
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: why explained isolation These people out in the sticks. True,

557
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: and there was a military base and the military police

558
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: came to investigate, and the army came to investigate afterwards.

559
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: Why would they do that if they were like, well,

560
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: it's just owls obviously. Yeah. Well maybe the alphory is

561
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: actually relatively new, but m k Ultra, I think that's

562
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: my new theory. Okay, alright, good, good that Well, yeah,

563
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: there's also a variant and that they were highing drugs,

564
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: and that is our favorite go to theory, which is

565
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: air god the bread. Well that's the one thing because

566
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're doing some sort of drugs, then

567
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: assuming it wasn't m it was not em ka Ultra. Yeah,

568
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: I would doubt that the adults would be giving the

569
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: drugs to the kids and the kids did the kids

570
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: actually saw these things too, as well as everybody else, right,

571
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: I believe so. But then again, but they were hidden

572
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: under If they're preteens, then they're very um, very easy

573
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: to to influence. Yeah, and if they were hidden under

574
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: a bed the entire time, they probably didn't see them.

575
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: They just were like, yeah, the adults said this was

576
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: a thing. So that I'm still lacking the whole red moulitary.

577
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: They were just on accident. I guess it's possible, you know,

578
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: somebody used the wrong kind of mushrooms or something. Yeah,

579
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: that's a possibility as well. I mean, it's it's anything

580
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: could be if we If we move from there, we

581
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: have the theory that a lot of skeptics put out,

582
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: which is that the whole thing is a freaking hoax.

583
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: And again, I don't mean to knock on the folks

584
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: who worked for the carnival, but they're the ones who

585
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: were pointed out a lot for the theory, because they

586
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: would be the ones who would will they be used

587
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: to pull them one over on the on the marks.

588
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: So they could have just been doing this whole thing

589
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: for the laws. Just hey, this is gonna be really

590
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: funny and let's screw with these people. Please never use

591
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: that term ever again. Yeah, please don't. But my laws

592
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: all the time? Oh my god. Yeah right now, that's okay,

593
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: I'm used to it. So it could be that they

594
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: were just doing the whole thing as a prank and

595
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: maybe it got a little lot of hand, a little

596
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: out of hand, and it it got away from them,

597
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: or maybe the whole thing was just you know, let's

598
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: go ahead and screw with the Sheriff's department. Except in

599
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department really believes it. I mean, I don't know,

600
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: do you know which one had the which gun? They're

601
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: actually both of the dudes who had guns. They were both.

602
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: They were both carnies, right, yes, yes, we both the

603
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: ones worked that. I was gonna say, maybe it's you know,

604
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: Billy Ray says, you know, hey, Lucky, come look at this,

605
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: ha ha, better grab our guns, and then Lucky starts

606
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: shooting and he goes, oh, no crap. But they were

607
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: both the I mean, they would have been in on it. Yeah,

608
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean. And the thing is, I never understand why

609
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: people pull hoaxes. If it is indeed a hoax, I

610
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: don't get it. So I can't really rationalize what would

611
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: have motivated them to do it. Just to prank brow,

612
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: just a prank the attention. I guess. Well, they didn't

613
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: go to the authorities with the tail of a massive

614
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: gun battle, right correct, Only a few shots were fired. Um,

615
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: And so maybe what happened is they had a little

616
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: gun accident. They shot a hole in their in their

617
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: landlord's screen, and then they wanted in the rental. In

618
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: the rental, they wanted to come up with a good excuse.

619
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, we were under attack by aliens,

620
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: and so I had to shoot through your screen. Please

621
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: don't make me pay to replace it. Have you ever

622
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: seen the hole that a toy two caliber bullet makes?

623
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't. I don't think that I would

624
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: ever say anything to the landlord and hopes that they

625
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: would never notice it. Yeah, so it does seem like

626
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble to go to just to cover

627
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: up one little booboo. Well yeah, and that's the only

628
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: other thing that I could had come up with was

629
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: as a justification, was you know, maybe they were doing

630
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: something elicit that they shouldn't have been doing. Like let's

631
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: say they were poaching, and they realized that there's a

632
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: neighbor who's gonna squeal on them, and so they come

633
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: up with this entire kookie story to explain the gunshots

634
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: while they were wandering around in the dark poaching deer

635
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: or something. But like, why would you go poaching in

636
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: the middle of the night like that though, you're serious, Yeah,

637
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: that's that's the time to do it. Yeah, the animals

638
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Speaker 1: are asleep, you shine a flashlight and you've seen deer

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Speaker 1: in the headlights, you know they freeze. I just don't

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Speaker 1: shine a light and you shoot them. I think that's silly.

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Speaker 1: I think it's silly. It's easy hunting, is why people

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Speaker 1: do it. It's it's that's easy hunting. It's actually easy

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Speaker 1: hunting the other way around too, because have you heard

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Speaker 1: about those places of the game Wards put a fake

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Speaker 1: deer on the side of the road, people jump out

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Speaker 1: of their car and shoot it. Yep, and get the

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Speaker 1: whole thing recorded on camera. It's quite arrested. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Um, But I mean that's the end of

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Speaker 1: our theories. I mean, there's not a whole lot here

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Speaker 1: because while the whole group has maintained what they saw,

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Speaker 1: what they say they saw, they've never changed their stories.

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Speaker 1: There has, Like I said, there's been the additions over time,

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Speaker 1: Like there was an addition um that a couple of

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Speaker 1: the people the next morning just up and packed up

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Speaker 1: and left. They all just left the place. Screwed, We're

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Speaker 1: out of here. There's aliens, which is not actually true

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Speaker 1: because they were around and anyway, Yeah, they got better transportation.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that these people were all at the

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Speaker 1: house and they were getting their photographs taken by the news.

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously they were still there. They hung around,

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Speaker 1: so nothing I know of. Never mind where you say

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Speaker 1: it was the Ferris Wheel, I was gonna say it

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Speaker 1: was like publish it, oh, for for the carnival they

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Speaker 1: worked for, for the Barker whatever whatever, whatever got it

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Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, you guys got any other I think? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that too, kay, ultra Okay, I

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Speaker 1: think it's all for the laws. Oh my god. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: if you want to read about this story, we will

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Speaker 1: of course have links to it on our website. The

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Speaker 1: website is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. We also all

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Speaker 1: have all episodes up there to listen to, so you

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Speaker 1: can stream or download from there. We are on iTunes.

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Speaker 1: So if that is the way that you get your podcast,

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Speaker 1: rating is preferred, that would be good. Yeah. If if

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Speaker 1: you've got a concern or something like that, there's other

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Speaker 1: ways to get ahold of us so we can discuss it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if they want to set us an email,

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Speaker 1: is there a way to do that? There is, and

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Speaker 1: I'll tell them that in a minute. Um. The other

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Speaker 1: ways that you can listen to the episode, of course,

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of Google plays out there, Stitcher, all

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Speaker 1: these different apps for pulling them. So whatever you use,

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Speaker 1: use it, enjoy it, subscribe, and if you can rate

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Speaker 1: through that, read through that. We are on social media,

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Speaker 1: so we have the Facebook page and the Facebook group,

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Speaker 1: both of which are really busy man, having a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun with. We are on Reddit. We've got the subreddit,

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Speaker 1: and we are on Twitter. We are Thinking Sideways without

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Speaker 1: the G in the middle. Devin's quite busy on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Was yesterday I was. I was voted most patriotic podcast

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Speaker 1: Twitter of ever by one whole person. I saw some

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Speaker 1: of those tweets are good. Yeah, it's pretty good. Now.

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Speaker 1: Joe had mentioned how to get a hold of us,

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Speaker 1: and that would be by email. The email address is

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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. So send in

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Speaker 1: We are also The other thing that I want to

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Speaker 1: tell you about is the ways to support the show

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Speaker 1: have two methods of support. We have actually I guess three,

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Speaker 1: but we have PayPal, which you can do a one

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Speaker 1: We're on Patreon, which is patreon dot com slash thinking sideways.

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Speaker 1: Patreon is an ongoing donation, so it's per episode that

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Speaker 1: and just be aware it's by episode, and it also

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Speaker 1: to give in a month total, so it's totally under

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Speaker 1: your control. And then the other thing that Devil was

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Speaker 1: talking about is we have merchandise. Uh So we've got

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Speaker 1: both a red Bubble and a Zazzle store. Uh so,

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Speaker 1: we've got t shirts, mugs, stickers. I just put up

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Speaker 1: a new illustration the other day. I'm so we we

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Speaker 1: all available to you. And other than that, I think

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Speaker 1: that's all the administrative details I have that sums it

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Speaker 1: up all right, all right, yeah, I gotta go. I

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Speaker 1: gotta go work my son Tan. So thanks ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: and we will talk to you later. Bye bye bye.

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