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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Yes, every Wednesday we recap our old shows with all

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Speaker 2: new commentary, updates and insights.

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Speaker 1: Today we're recapping episode sixty seven, which we named Live

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Speaker 1: at the Egyptian Room, and that was from our Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: Live show.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out May fourth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to the intro of episode sixty seven.

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Speaker 3: Hi what Hi, Indianapolis. You're here.

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Speaker 4: You came like you say you would in your name,

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Speaker 4: told us you were coming.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Wow, this is so Indianapolis.

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Speaker 5: You guys are right up on this stage, aren't you

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Speaker 5: ship a little man?

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Speaker 2: Threatening, isn't It's.

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Speaker 3: Like we're kind of here because I have a big

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Speaker 3: mouth and uh.

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Speaker 2: Since Georgia, Georgia has some stuff to say to you guys.

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Speaker 3: I didn't. I think I was like being complimentary when

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Speaker 3: I said what I said. But fuck man, we made

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Speaker 3: up for it. I think.

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Speaker 6: Here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, here's the thing we for us.

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Speaker 2: We're having a private conversation. We're just very slowly catching

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Speaker 2: on to the fact that you guys listen to it

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Speaker 2: after we recorded it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not just like we're trying to make Steven last. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're trying to make each other laugh and then.

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Speaker 2: Oh and then we're trying to offend the country.

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Speaker 3: Huh. Definitely.

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Speaker 2: It's very easy to do. It turns out, who knew you?

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Speaker 2: All you had to do is mispronounce some cities and

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Speaker 2: tell some people their dicks, and then oh, they are there.

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Speaker 2: There you are, Hey, hello, you're there to make up

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Speaker 2: for it with entertainment. Look at this gorgeous room. This

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Speaker 2: is your fucking nuts. You guys, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: When we were in Portland, we were in an old

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Speaker 3: like high school and it totally felt like we were

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Speaker 3: like the principals giving everyone a lecture about bullying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this feels like we're the ushers at a very

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Speaker 2: fancy movie theater. Yes, where people are very excited to

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Speaker 2: look at the screen. I could kick someone in the

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Speaker 2: forehead right now. I'm sorry that that's the first thing

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Speaker 2: I really want to do, just so quick.

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Speaker 7: It'd be funny, though, it would.

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Speaker 2: Kind of be funny.

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Speaker 3: Hey, let's talk about presents, because that's a positive you guys.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing, and this is what's beautiful about

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Speaker 2: having fans like you, guys, is you'll you'll tweet us

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Speaker 2: or social media somehow and say if we have a present,

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Speaker 2: how do we get it to you? And we don't

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Speaker 2: answer you because we can't tell you secrets like that.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter, because you get them to us anyway.

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Speaker 2: Figure it out. It's very hard day's night people getting

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Speaker 2: onto some kind of thing and putting a towel over

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Speaker 2: it and sneaking back. I don't know. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: how I get it.

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Speaker 3: We're adults, so we can buy our own shit. But

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Speaker 3: when we see a fucking present, we both lose our eyes.

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Speaker 3: What is it? And then we pull out the car

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Speaker 3: and we start crying. And then and then we put

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Speaker 3: the earrings in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're wearing your earrings Silver in the.

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Speaker 3: City to say, oh thank you. I hate earrings, and

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Speaker 3: I put these in because they're so adorable cats and

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Speaker 3: I love them.

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Speaker 2: Seems like a lot of people work at Silver in

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Speaker 2: the City. It's not like your Walmart out here.

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Speaker 3: Take them off. And then we got and.

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Speaker 2: Then gorgeous thank you. Look at this cat mug these

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Speaker 2: are from. But I know then it's this part. This

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Speaker 2: is lame.

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Speaker 3: The Weatherhole cousins gave me this fucking sign the.

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Speaker 2: Weatherhole girls came together assuming I'm assuming they're girls.

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Speaker 3: They used to hate each other and then they bonded

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Speaker 3: over murder and they got me a Siamese mug. That's

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Speaker 3: my new it's totally my new stage mug until I

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Speaker 3: leave it at home, like I love the trip for sure.

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Speaker 2: And then they gave you, Oh shit, they gave me,

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Speaker 2: so this is pretty funny. So Georgia opens that, well,

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Speaker 2: I was kind of opening everything, let's be honest, a

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Speaker 2: bit domineering, and so I was pulling, pulling shit out

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Speaker 2: and then just I would decide if it was for

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Speaker 2: her or not. So we're like, yeah, undeniably, this is

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Speaker 2: Georgia's cat travel mug. And then the next thing came

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Speaker 2: up and we'd read the card that's.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy coffee and music and music.

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Speaker 2: And so I opened this little box and it's a

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Speaker 2: key chain holder, like a keyholder, and I love, like,

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Speaker 2: thanks a lot. But then we're like thinking, me and

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Speaker 2: Georgia and Vince are kind of standing there and we're

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Speaker 2: just like, there's gotta be more to it, and there

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Speaker 2: fucking was because you unsnap. It was like a little

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Speaker 2: triangle shaped leather thing you unsnap it and inside was

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Speaker 2: a beautiful silver guitar pick that had SSDGM engraved on it.

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Speaker 2: I started crying.

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Speaker 3: It's true. We had to redo our makeup.

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Speaker 2: We had to bring the whole team from Max back in.

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Speaker 3: That makes me think because I want to mention, like

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Speaker 3: how many messages and emails we get whenever we're touring

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Speaker 3: of like really sweet girls being like I'm a makeup artist,

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Speaker 3: I'm a hairdresser, and I would love to do your

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Speaker 3: makeup and hair for that, you know, And it's like

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Speaker 3: such a sweet offer, and I fucking love getting my

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Speaker 3: hair makeup done. We want it so bad, but you

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Speaker 3: don't under sam until like five fifty nine.

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Speaker 7: Is that a time?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're getting we're freaking the fuck out and getting

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of typing at five fifty nine.

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Speaker 3: This is it. Whenever we get asked like how much

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Speaker 3: so how much research goes into you know, how much

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Speaker 3: time do you spend on each one? And it's like, no,

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Speaker 3: we're not like that. We're back were we didn't finish college.

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Speaker 3: We're terrible at homework.

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Speaker 2: We care and we love research. We love it and

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Speaker 2: we care about it. We do and also we save

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Speaker 2: it till the very end. We save it. We had

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Speaker 2: we push it right into our blowout time yep, and

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Speaker 2: right into our We could have had such gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Eyeshadows flowing lock.

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Speaker 2: I mean we would have been to we would have

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Speaker 2: been Kendall and the other one Kardashian. But no, we're

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Speaker 2: like trying to do our book report the night before.

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Speaker 2: Every single time.

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Speaker 7: It's like that, huh so, thank you for the offers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not gonna we I mean, look, we're fucking

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Speaker 2: we're living high on the home professionals offers and we're

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Speaker 2: just scraping through like feral children. I would like to

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Speaker 2: point this out so as you know, we talk about

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Speaker 2: our fancy outfits that we like to get for the tour.

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Speaker 2: We like to really dress it up for you as

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Speaker 2: much as possible. This dress I got last night again,

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Speaker 2: last minute, and I saw it. I was like magic,

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Speaker 2: It's all coming together for me. It's one of those

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Speaker 2: dresses that has a built in slip which then turns

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Speaker 2: into a puzzle when you're putting it on. Ladies, back

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Speaker 2: me up. This is I can't believe I made it

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Speaker 2: into this dress, is what I'm saying. There was like

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Speaker 2: seven different ways you could do it. And it's also

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Speaker 2: sewn on, because at one point I was gonna rip

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Speaker 2: of this slip there, and I don't give a shit.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever do the thing when you try to

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Speaker 3: put a dress? I like, fucking like I hate the

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Speaker 3: extra step of putting a dress on basically under a.

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Speaker 7: Dress, So I'll do like a slip.

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Speaker 3: So I'll do the thing where like they're together and

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Speaker 3: I'll try to put them on it once and it

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Speaker 3: takes four times as long to get it on because

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Speaker 3: you're just.

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Speaker 2: Like a low do this beat the system a lot

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Speaker 2: of them. Also, you guys have seemed to have a

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Speaker 2: lot of static electricity here quite a bit. Is that

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Speaker 2: one of is that one of the things you're is

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Speaker 2: that one of your outputs, whatever you call it, is

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Speaker 2: that how you make money around here is fucking up

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Speaker 2: my hair?

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Speaker 3: Real, go my god, does the city run on it?

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Speaker 2: It's my dress is permanently stuck my dress. It's like

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Speaker 2: my dress is scared and is grabbing my leg. Usually

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Speaker 2: I like a little more flow around this area. It

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Speaker 2: looks like I just came out of a pond.

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Speaker 3: I meant to put heels on before we came out

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Speaker 2: Those your show slippers? Yeah they're very cute. Yeah they are.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm just so cood because one time you were like,

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Speaker 3: put on undershoes on stage. She said that, and now

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Speaker 3: I'm like terrified that that's what these always look like.

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Speaker 3: But there's there's some shit going on with I.

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Speaker 2: Think I meant it as a compliment. Oh who knows

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Speaker 2: the way when things? I'm out of me with it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, who am I to say anything? I'm wearing

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Speaker 2: high heeled clothes right now, I'm wearing I'm wearing boot

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Speaker 2: cloths with what. Now turn out, now that the light's

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Speaker 2: around me to be a navy what? It did not

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to be fancy. It looks cool.

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Speaker 2: They won't let me be fancy.

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Speaker 7: It looks like you did it on purpose.

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Speaker 2: I have heels that are like that high, and every

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Speaker 2: single time when I go to leave my hotel room,

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Speaker 2: I'm like getting ready of course, rushed, little typing over here,

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Speaker 2: blow drying over here, run, run run, And then I

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Speaker 2: look and there's like shoe choices and I'm like, fuck you,

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Speaker 2: I'm putting you honest, I do it every time.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm sure this was a subconscious thing that I

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Speaker 3: did with I was like, no, vintage heels, vintage black heels,

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Speaker 7: Yeah these are gross.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Indianapolis, you guys just charmed the shit out of me.

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Speaker 3: Today when near my hotel there's a soup store, I

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Speaker 2: What a soup store?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know I love stupid, not stupid, but

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Speaker 7: It's called supremacy. What I could not stop laughing about that.

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Speaker 3: I made Vince ride it down backstage and I just

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Speaker 3: looked at it and just started cracking out.

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Speaker 2: Supremacy seems like it could be slightly problem in this

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Speaker 2: day and age.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it went through my head.

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Speaker 2: White bean supremacy, stop it. Stop it.

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Speaker 3: Well, when I was a kid, my first record store,

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize till I was grown up, and I went, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's not good. Was called vinyl solution. Oh oh, I

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Speaker 3: did it. My fourteen year old brain wasn't like, they

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Speaker 3: don't want you here, Georgia, but little.

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Speaker 2: Jewish girls walking in I like punk rock.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, we don't like you. No, that's pretty

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Speaker 3: fucking clever. How could you not like me?

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Speaker 2: I have a little big deals baby, Georgia.

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Speaker 7: Should we sit down?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's sit down. This is the part where it

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Speaker 2: gets really official. This is a nice chair.

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Speaker 7: Who she It's like a conference chair.

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Speaker 2: This is a high class. You should see some of

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Speaker 2: the chairs that we sit in nice shows. I swear

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Speaker 2: to god, it's like a guy came up real quick

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Speaker 3: Can we tell them about our murder? Like my murder

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Speaker 2: You know, dude, I would fucking if there was a

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Speaker 3: Hold tight, not true? Uh, it might be me.

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Speaker 5: You're right, yes, I think it is. Yes, from just yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I probably said that because that sounds like something I

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys caught that part, but

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Speaker 3: Your whole murder was in the wrong state.

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Speaker 7: I thought you just like mentioned this other city once.

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Speaker 2: Fuck no, I was like the Cherry Hill Mall in Pennsylvan.

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, how many people are in the state of

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Speaker 2: Listen and you know what happens and cut to We're

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Speaker 2: Well, and I think again, not to brag, but I

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Speaker 2: You're asking for it. Also, like I know what this

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Speaker 2: Yes, kind of what we're up again, what we're about

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Speaker 1: Right, like fake eyelashes definitely, Yes.

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Speaker 2: You have to dedicate your time. You must like put

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was like white being supremacy, where I'm like,

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Speaker 1: We're being our sweet innocent little selves.

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Speaker 2: Not knowing that in eight years the Nazis would be

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Speaker 1: That's right, Well, God dall you that supremacy, the innocent

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Speaker 1: by small batch soups sa by supremacy. So they got

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Speaker 2: You know what happened. I bet you in that sign

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Speaker 1: It's a whisper to say, look, we all made mistakes.

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Speaker 2: Just ask supplantation how they're handling things. Jesus, Oh do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for real. It's such a funny blur to be

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Speaker 1: Put like folding chairs out, and shit, that's such a

443
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Speaker 1: different vibe.

444
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Speaker 2: And they weren't even folding chairs. They were like straight

445
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Speaker 2: back banquette chairs kind of things. So that's I started

446
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 2: getting that panicky feeling of they're not gonna like us.

447
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 2: They're they're here for like a Tony Robbins, you know,

448
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: conference and not us. And the panic began and that's

449
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Speaker 2: why that guy meant so much to me. Yeah, house

450
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Speaker 2: right stage left, he was fucking bringing the SaaS fan

451
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Speaker 2: just yes, letting us know, joke by joke, how great

452
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Speaker 2: we were doing. Where I was just like, oh, this

453
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Speaker 2: is not only not going badly, this couldn't be better.

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Speaker 1: Even though the chick next to him is getting sciatica

455
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Speaker 1: from those chairs. He's having a grand old time and.

456
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Speaker 2: That's all she's suffering in silence, right fine with me.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

458
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Speaker 2: And we did some amazing stories at this show.

459
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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty had some choices, pretty goddamn epic. So

461
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Speaker 1: let's just get right into it because I think this

462
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Speaker 1: is one of your most up stories. This is Karen

463
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Speaker 1: covering the story of Bell Gunnis.

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Speaker 2: All right, should do this?

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Speaker 3: What's oh this is my favorite murder. That's Karen Date.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. We

467
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Speaker 2: needed to get a big third cheer going before the

468
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Speaker 2: reading start.

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Speaker 3: Pump you guys up.

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Speaker 2: You know, well I went. If I couldn't do Georgia's,

471
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Speaker 2: then I had to go to number two, who I didn't.

472
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Speaker 2: The only reason I didn't pick her is because she's

473
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Speaker 2: an oldie. She's like a vintage one.

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Speaker 7: You like old timing.

475
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Speaker 2: I do love an oldie, but I'd done a couple recently,

476
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Speaker 2: so I thought I was going to update and try

477
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Speaker 2: to be more current. Nopes, I got slapped back down

478
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 2: by fate and here I am.

479
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 7: I swooped in hard on this story.

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Speaker 3: You had to like. This guy is the worst thing

481
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Speaker 3: I've ever read about.

482
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: He's pretty fucking awful. But so is our girl, Bell Gunnis. Right, everybody.

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Speaker 3: You know her?

484
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 2: Right?

485
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: Horrible God.

486
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 2: She loved to kill people and burn things down. Is

487
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: that a local thing or was that just her taste?

488
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: Because she she really loved to burn. I mean, she

489
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 2: was what they call a firebug, all right. Some of

490
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: her nicknames were Lady Bluebeard.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's gotta be sad, like make you feel bad

492
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Speaker 3: about yourself.

493
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna that's gonna get you to the Tweezers

494
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 2: and the Magnifying Mirror real quick.

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Speaker 3: Why did they call me?

496
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Speaker 2: I shave every day? The Laporte black Widow. Uh right, Laporte,

497
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: the Mistress of murder Farm.

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Speaker 3: That's fun.

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00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: That actually seems like a British procedural that I would watch. Dude,

500
00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: does the mistress of moodiphone, Welcome acts alright, And Hell's

501
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: Bell that's cool. That seems more like a.

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00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 7: It's like a roller Derby name.

503
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: Totally is. Also, there's a really great female ACDC cover

504
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: band called Hell's Bell. That's unbelievable. KICKI it's amazing. Yeah,

505
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Speaker 2: alright anyway. Belle Sorenson Gunnis was born November eleventh, eighteen

506
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Speaker 2: fifty nine. She was from Norway. She left there in

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Speaker 2: eighteen eighty one at the age of twenty one to

508
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Speaker 2: move to Chicago like her sister did, so they emigrated

509
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Speaker 2: to America. She became a servant, and she worked as

510
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: a servant for a couple of years, and then she

511
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Speaker 2: married her first husband, Mad's Sorensen, three years later in

512
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Speaker 2: eighteen eighty four. Mads is it? Mad's does it? Eh?

513
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Speaker 2: The Norwegians have the name m A DS Mods. It's mods.

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00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 7: That's right, so much?

515
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: Okay, Mad's is kind of hilarious name.

516
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 6: All right.

517
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: Anyway, the two of them marry and they opened the

518
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: candy store. And how how fucked up do you have

519
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 2: to be to have an unsuccessful candy store? Because they

520
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: did it. They sucked at candy. How do you do?

521
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: How do you do it.

522
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 7: They sold like, what's a gross flavor of.

523
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: Only like those buttons on paper. It's just like buttons.

524
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: They called their candy store buttons on paper.

525
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 3: Just one giant roll of buttons on paper.

526
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Speaker 7: Kids kept getting smashed by.

527
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Speaker 3: I tried to get one.

528
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Speaker 2: They're just cutting weird pieces out randomly with the store,

529
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Speaker 2: all right, So they since their candy store fails, it

530
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: strangely burned down almost a year later after they opened it.

531
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Speaker 2: It's burning candy smell it. So Belle and Matt's collected

532
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: their insurance on that business and they bought a new home.

533
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Speaker 2: And then they had two biological children, Myrtle in eighteen

534
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Speaker 2: ninety seven and Lucy in eighteen ninety nine.

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00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 3: Those are cute. When is Myrtle gonna come back?

536
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: It can't. It's that you will immediately be called a turtle.

537
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: Grammar school. Please, things through. You have to go through

538
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: the rhyming of the children's names. Sorry, I didn't mean

539
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: to attack you.

540
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: I mean a fucking kid.

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Speaker 7: I don't care.

542
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 2: They also had a foster child named Jenny Olson. They

543
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: also had two other biological children that did not survive infancy,

544
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: and both of them were diagnosed to have had extreme colitis,

545
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: which has the same symptoms as trick nine points. But

546
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: they're babies and this is a family, and so the

547
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: doctors are like, they have extreme colitis everybody. Interestingly, I

548
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: mean both of those children's lives were insured.

549
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: As you do ensure your baby are I mean a

550
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 3: tiny baby in eighteen fucking whenever the ship. Yeah, like that.

551
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: Baby was going to be the most amazing like stick

552
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: and stick and hoop baby, stick and the hoop baby.

553
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: Look at that arm ensure that arm. I was gonna

554
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: call it stick and circle. Jesus, Jesus, all right. So

555
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: then on July thirtieth, nineteen hundred, Mads died. He also

556
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: had some colitis like problems.

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00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 7: Uh runs in the family.

558
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that weird poisoning runs in this family. And interestingly,

559
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: he died on July thirtieth, which was the only day

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Speaker 2: his two life insurance policies overlapped.

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Speaker 3: Mad.

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00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 7: Oh wow, it's asking for trouble.

563
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: Lucky, lucky lucky. So the swordson's family doctor had been

564
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: treating him Mad for an enlarged heart, and so he

565
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: the first doctor was like, this is absolutely strict nine poisoning.

566
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: And then the family doctor was like, no, no, no, no,

567
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: sit down, young lady. He died of heart failure, and

568
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: so she applies for insurance money the day after the funeral,

569
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: as you do, and she gets eighty five hundred dollars,

570
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: which is a little over two hundred thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: today's money.

572
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: Not for another candy store, probably, no, no, no no.

573
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: She learned her candy lesson, so she uses the money

574
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: to purchase a forty two acre farm in Laporte, Indiana.

575
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Speaker 2: At the end, that scared this shit out of me.

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Speaker 3: We were gonna have to come back.

577
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: I mean we were about to leave and come back

578
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: out the second apology tour. Damn, so much harder than

579
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: it looks. Okay, Laporte, Indiana, at the end of McClung Road,

580
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: everybody talks about what's slung.

581
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, I love the club.

582
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: So she moves in, and then it's reported that soon

583
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: after both the boat and carriage houses burned down. So

584
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: maybe that's just what she did to get used to

585
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Speaker 2: being living in a place.

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean, It's like, doesn't feel like

587
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 7: me yet.

588
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to warm it up somehow,

589
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: I want to literally warm it.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: Oh. Also, I just wrote here very randomly. Reports say

592
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: that she was six feet tall and two hundred pounds. No,

593
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: I think this is a that's like a Paul Bunion

594
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: thing of like. I think she was so horrifying that

595
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: people are like and she's no norvils. Well, I turned

596
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: into one of those things.

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Speaker 7: Which was tall back then, because everyone was like, no

598
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 7: one got higher than five four.

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00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: Every one was like, my bones, my rickets. She's like,

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00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: I'm doing great, I'm from Norway, and I'll kill you

601
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: for no reason.

602
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: All right.

603
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: So as she's getting ready to she buys the farm

604
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: in La Porte. She's getting ready to move from Chicago

605
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 2: to La Porte. She becomes reacquainted with a recent widower

606
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 2: named Peter Gunnis, who also is from Norway. She had

607
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: that kind of you know, local Norway hookup, and so

608
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: they get married in La Porte on April first, nineteen

609
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: oh two. A week after the ceremony, Peter's infant daughter

610
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: died of uncertain causes while alone in the house with Belle.

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00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

612
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: Then on December of nineteen oh two, Peter himself met

613
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: with a quote unquote tragic accident. According to Belle, he

614
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: was reaching for his slippers next to the kitchen stove. Already,

615
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: there's too many nouns in this, like when you're when

616
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: you have to lie, and we always do. Just kind

617
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: of keep the nouns to amends. You don't need slippers

618
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: in this story at all. He was just near the

619
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: stove like he always is kitchen.

620
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: Doesn't even like it's a given that the stove is

621
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Speaker 3: in the kitchen.

622
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: That's right, don't don't specify what we already know and.

623
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 7: Notes you guys, when you kill her, that's right.

624
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: This whole thing's gonna turn on us so fucking hard,

625
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: but it'll be fun until then.

626
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 7: So many presents, until.

627
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: He's reaching for his slippers next to the kitchen stove,

628
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: when he's scalded with brine brine again. Uh. She later

629
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: declared that, in fact, part of a sausage grinding machine

630
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: had fell from a high shelf and hit him on

631
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: the head.

632
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: Past sausage machines?

633
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: Is this kitchen like pee wee herman? It's like, what

634
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: is happening? Belle? Then that anvil came from across the room. Okay,

635
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: so a year later, Peter's brother, gust.

636
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 7: Is that right.

637
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: Should have read this over gust Of wind, he came down.

638
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: He takes Peter's older daughter, swan Hilda. Wow, when's swan

639
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: Hilda coming back? Everybody?

640
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: Wow?

641
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 7: Wow, Yeah, when's that one coming back?

642
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: When you're gonna hear that yelled across McDonald's play place, Swanhilda, No.

643
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: Don't lick that.

644
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: Basically, get away from the Brian swan Hilda. Swan Hilda's uncle,

645
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: Peter's brother comes Gust, comes down, gets her and gets

646
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: her out.

647
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: He's like, sorry, as were usted.

648
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 7: Soup premacy. Sorry sorry, go on, no no, never apologize,

649
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 7: try not.

650
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: Uh so she uh so she gets out. The uncle's

651
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: like something's going on.

652
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 7: Oh, He's like, get the fuck out of here.

653
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, get the one remaining living child of a

654
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: once flourishing family.

655
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: Good.

656
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: So yeah. So the coroner reviews his case, his his

657
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: death and announces unequivocally or unequivocally, I'm not sure that

658
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: he was murdered and his stepdaughter Jenny, her stepdaughter Jenny,

659
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry. Uh His his daughter is overheard at

660
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: school saying, my mama killed my papa. She's hid him

661
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: with a meat cleaver, and he died just on the swings. Chilling,

662
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: fucking juice box.

663
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: Kids don't lick that, so.

664
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: In the candy store. So she's she's brought before the

665
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: corner's jury. So the corner does have an inquest because

666
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: he's like, this is incredibly suspicious. And when they tried

667
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: to talk to her about it, she denies ever having

668
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: said anything. And then Belle convinces the corner that she's

669
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: absolutely innocent and she didn't do anything.

670
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 7: He believes her. Does he marry her?

671
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: Uh, he doesn't. He does not marry her. But then

672
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, if she really was if she really was

673
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: six feet tall, two hundred pounds, she must have been

674
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: an amazing like presence to be able to be like,

675
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: oh no, no, I didn't kill him, goodbye. Like can

676
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: you imagine this kind of like a giant test, just

677
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 2: being like murdering and then being like, but don't blame me, goodbye.

678
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: Uh has a duck through the door on the way

679
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: out if it's like, but.

680
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: Everyone drops, Okay, this is taking too long, so Belle

681
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: tells neighbors soon after she explains Jenny's gone off to

682
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: finishing school.

683
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 7: Good never good Uh finished.

684
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So Belle runs her farm from nineteen

685
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: oh three to nineteen oh six, and in nineteen oh

686
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: seven she hires a farm hand named Ray Lambfeir. I

687
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: think we do have a picture of Ray Lampfeir. He's

688
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: got a mustache.

689
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 7: Nope, she also had a mustache.

690
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: You weren't wrong, but that was Belle.

691
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 7: Nope, that's a good one though.

692
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: That's the farm we just keep going through. There's ah,

693
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: what if there's like ninety pictures, it'd be like, and

694
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: there's me, there's summer in the there's Ray Lambfeir.

695
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 3: It looks chill.

696
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: He looks like he looks like seventy percent of the

697
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: bartenders in Los Angeles. No, I don't want to come

698
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 2: see your improv team.

699
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: Thank you.

700
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 7: Oh I just the look in his eyes so dead.

701
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: Let me help you with your phone. Get this. We

702
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: need to help you.

703
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: So that guy.

704
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: And also, could we just really quick, could we go

705
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: back to the picture of Belle herself just to see

706
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: what everyone's why everyone is so in love? There she

707
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: is her? Yeah, Oh she's pretty.

708
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 3: She's not? Am I wrong?

709
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: What's that?

710
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 3: She's pretty?

711
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: She pretty?

712
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 4: Is?

713
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 6: She is?

714
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: She pretty?

715
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: Sheep pretty?

716
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: She pretty?

717
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: Even I'm like, oh, maybe.

718
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 8: She didn't do it?

719
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: You know what you guys, I think she's in a suit.

720
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: Look at her. Look at she.

721
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: I mean she does have a hat face. And that's

722
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: I can't say the same thing.

723
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 7: I mean the ruffles.

724
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: Anyhow, So Rayland Lamfier shows up with the fire in

725
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: his eyes and the insane mustache, and he is immediately

726
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: in love with her, so he'll do anything she asks,

727
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,959
Speaker 2: all right. So that's what's happening the feel around the farm.

728
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: And at the same time, Bell Gunnis puts an advertisement

729
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: in the newspaper, in all the Chicago daily papers and

730
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: in I guess some of the Norwegian papers. And this

731
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: is the It's basically kind of like a personal ad.

732
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: And hers reads personal comely widow who owns a large

733
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: farm in one of the finest districts in Laporte County, Indiana,

734
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: desires to make the acquaintance of a gentleman equally well

735
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: provided with view of joining fortunes. No replies by letter

736
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: considered unless sender is willing to follow answer with personal visit.

737
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: Triflers need not apply. Hey, I don't want know scaddd

738
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: mm mmmm mmmmm did it? And that bat Gandara side that's.

739
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: Best friend's farm.

740
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: Trying to burn down a horse. She tried to burn

741
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: that horse. Triflers need not apply. Is our next shirt

742
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 2: ship Steven even get on that, Stephen, do it now?

743
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: I mean right, I mean she's not wrong. Yes, she

744
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 2: murders children, Yes, she murders children and adults.

745
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 7: Yes, but but also triflers need not play.

746
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: They simply need it.

747
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: They needn't.

748
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay. So now there's a stream of like middle

749
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: aged mostly Norwegian male suitors that are coming to the farm,

750
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: bringing there that a lot of them are just clearing

751
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: out their bank accounts, they're selling their houses, they're they're

752
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: cashing it all in and bringing their money to this

753
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: woman that oftentimes she would she would be exchanging letters

754
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: with them, and they were like kind of you know,

755
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: love lovish letters, my dearest. Exactly, they got it exactly.

756
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 7: I don't know how. I'm not a poet.

757
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: So ray Lamfeir is getting really jealous because these these

758
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: men are showing up and they're not leaving in the

759
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: bad way. Uh So she fires him on February third,

760
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: nineteen o eight, and shortly after she presents herself at

761
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: the Laporte Courthouse and declares that ray Lamfear was not

762
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 2: in his right mind and was a menace to the public,

763
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: and she actually ends up convincing local authorities to hold

764
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: a sanity hearing against him. He's pronounced sane and released.

765
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: Hugh Gunnis is back a few days later to complain

766
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: to the sheriff that Lambfear had visited her farm and

767
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: argued with her, and that she contended he posed a

768
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: threat to her family. He posts a threat to her family.

769
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: She's killed everyone in her family, everybody, and she has

770
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 2: limb Fear arrested for trespassing. Then she tells a lawyer

771
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: in Laporte that she fears for her life and the

772
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: lives of her children. She said that Ray Lamfear threatened

773
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: to kill her and burn her house down. Oh three

774
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 2: fingers pointing back at her. It's a classic.

775
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 6: Uh.

776
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: So she makes out a will in case he goes

777
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: through with it, and then she leaves her entire entire

778
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: estate to her children and uh leaves and then she

779
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 2: pays off mortgage. And she doesn't go to the police

780
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: to tell them about Lambfeer's behavior. She's just telling this lawyer.

781
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: And then the new she hires a guy named Joe

782
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: Maxon to replace lamp Fear in February and in the

783
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: early hours of April twenty eighth, nineteen oh eight, he

784
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: wakes to the smell of smoke in his room, and

785
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: he's on the second floor of the house, and he

786
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: opens the door his bedroom door to a sheet of flames.

787
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: He's screaming Bell's name, the children's names. He doesn't hear anything,

788
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: so he runs out the door in his underwear. He

789
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: leaps from a second story window. He barely survives the fire.

790
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: He races to town to get help, but by the

791
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 2: time they come, the hook and ladder old fashioned fire

792
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: truck comes back. The whole farmhouse is gutted in a

793
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: heap of smoking ruins. And that's that picture of all

794
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: the people's standing round. That's what's left. And in there

795
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: they find the bodies. Yeah, there's four bodies, three child

796
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: children's bodies. The children are all on their beds, and

797
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: then one of a grown woman, but she doesn't have

798
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 2: a head. Huh. So they're like, oh, this is terrible.

799
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: The house burned down and the Gunnis has all died

800
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: inside of it. Well, the doctors measure the remains and

801
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: making allowances for the missing neck and head. Who wrote

802
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 2: that Obviously they're not going to measure invisible neck and head.

803
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: So they say that the corpse is a woman who

804
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: stood five foot three and weighed no more than one

805
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds. Their neighbors said that Bell was

806
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: probably five nine, but she did weigh like, you know,

807
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: one eight, two hundred pounds whatever. So they had they

808
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: actually had a dressmaker that was in Chicago that they

809
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: contacted who had her exact measurements, brought them back and

810
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: this body was not gunnis in the fact police work

811
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: many yeah, shit, yeah, in the in turn of the century,

812
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: police work, let's get positive. But they do find Belle's

813
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: dentures in the ashes, and so because of that the

814
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: police can't They're like, well, this then is her? Like

815
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: they did everything else. Everything else is like nah, you know,

816
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: I mean, we heard she was five eight. But it's

817
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: the teeth that really prove it.

818
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: The teeth that didn't stay in her mouth most of

819
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 3: the time, the teeth that mostly were in a glass.

820
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 7: Removed from your face.

821
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: They were in a glass at the top of where

822
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: her neck was appropriate. All right now one of her

823
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: earliest victims. So I will read you this list of

824
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: people who did show up at this farm thinking that

825
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: they were in love with a woman and they're going

826
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: to live the rest of their life on a beautiful

827
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: farm with her. And who never left. One of them

828
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: had a brother who when his brother never came back

829
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: and he never heard from him again, he showed up

830
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: at the farm and Bell was like, oh, he never

831
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: came here. And he the whole time was like, this

832
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: woman's dirty. I don't like it. There's something about So

833
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: he went after this fire, he went to the sheriff

834
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: and was like, you have got to investigate bus. This

835
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: woman's insane. So Sheriff Smutzer was the man's name, Yeah,

836
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: the Smutsters. He takes a dozen men back to the farm.

837
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: They begin to dig, and on May third, nineteen oh eight,

838
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: they unearthed the body of Jenny Olson, this step daughter.

839
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: They also found small bodies of two unidentified children, and

840
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: subsequently the body of Andrew Hellgellian, who his brother was

841
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: the one aasel, probably not was the one who is

842
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: making they find his body. And then as they begin digging,

843
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: they just keep finding bodies. And so these are the

844
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: they found. Ol A. B. Bunsburg of Iola, Wisconsin. Oh yeah,

845
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: did you hate him? Did I pronounce it wrong?

846
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: I went, good luck with this.

847
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 2: It's gonna get worse. I mean, there's just a fucking

848
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: shipload of Scandinavian names. I'm not gonna be able to pronounce.

849
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: Thomas Lindbow, Henry Girlholtz uh.

850
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 6: Uh.

851
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: They found they find his watch in the ground, Olaf's

852
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: thinner Hude. This is like dead, this is like sorry,

853
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: this is also like a Betty White's character on Golden Girls.

854
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: Or I'm just like, oh, you mean when Olaf's fer

855
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: nude went down to the farm and never came back.

856
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: John mo he was there too, Olaf Lynde Bloom. I mean,

857
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: it just goes it's insane, it goes on and on,

858
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: and she ended up. They think that she killed over

859
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: forty people, men, women, and children. And this is my

860
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: kind of my favorite part of it. Well there and

861
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: there's lots of people that are like unnamed or somebody

862
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: would like came by. There's you know, it's bad. And

863
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: they they actually didn't dig the whole farm at the time.

864
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: They found kind of the bodies that they knew proved

865
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: that she really was a killer, but they didn't actually

866
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: excavate the entire farm, so they they know of forty

867
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: but they think there could be tons more because she

868
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: had many, many hundreds of acres to bury.

869
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: Body.

870
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 7: God, I'm dying too.

871
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: Does anybody have a shovel?

872
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,479
Speaker 7: That's so much fun?

873
00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: But she's gone, she's disappeared, so nobody ever. There's lots

874
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: of sightings of her, and there's people who are like,

875
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: there's detectives who think they see her in Mexico City

876
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: and New York City and all over the place, but

877
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: no one ever actually finds her really, uh huh?

878
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: Hell?

879
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: And then but in nineteen thirty one, a woman whose

880
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: name was Esther Carlson was arrested in Los Angeles for

881
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: poisoning August Lindstrum for money, and two people who had

882
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: known Bell Guinness claimed to recognize her from the photographs,

883
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: but the identification was never proved, and Esther Carlson died

884
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: in jail while awaiting trial. WHOA, and that is the

885
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: story of Bell Gunnis.

886
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: Everybody, yeah, man, that's good. Never found her.

887
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: They never found her. She gone away with she got away.

888
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: They did more.

889
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 2: Yeah while she between Yes, oh yeah, now she's good

890
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: at it totally. What if or what if she didn't?

891
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: What if she stopped murdering? She's like I'm gonna get

892
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: this candy thing right.

893
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: And then she became missus Rabou, Thank you com.

894
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: Okay, we are back.

895
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: It's an old case, Karen. Any updates, Nope, none, but

896
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: here's the update I do have. After our twenty seventeen

897
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: show in Indianapolis, Harold Scheckter released Hell's Princess, The Mystery

898
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: of Bell Gunnis, Butcher of Men, and that became a

899
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: best selling biography. It's still considered one of the most

900
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: detailed accounts of Bell's story. So it's everything I needed

901
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: to tell the story and did not have. A year later.

902
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: All the other true crime podcasters get to benefit from

903
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: Harold Scheckter's book. Also, the personal ad sign off Triflers

904
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: Need Not Apply that was from Bell Gunnis's hand directly.

905
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: We made merch.

906
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: Everybody loved it.

907
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: It was a huge It was big. Triflers Need Not

908
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: Apply was like a big moment. It was great. So yeah,

909
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: I think this was an epic show kind of all

910
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: the way around totally. And we're only halfway through because

911
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 2: George is about to bring the thunder with one of

912
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: my favorite cases.

913
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: It keeps getting more and more intention and becoming more

914
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: and more awful and the details. It's almost like I

915
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people really knew about it

916
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: before we started the podcast. Yeah, and it's just getting

917
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: to be one of those like, oh shit, this is

918
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: a heavy fucking hitter.

919
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, story big time. So George is about to tell

920
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: everybody the story of Herb Baumeister.

921
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: All Right, you fucking sickos, you ready for this song

922
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: because this one's fucked up.

923
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 7: I bet you guys know what it is already.

924
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 3: Herb Borrow my sir, gotta be screw that Herb Bommeister.

925
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 3: There we go, uh fucking herb Born.

926
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: Uh can I say that one something really quick? Yes,

927
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: there's a picture when you google her A Baumeister and

928
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: you google images. He it's hilarious. I mean whatever, But

929
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: there's one picture and I don't it's the cover of

930
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: a book someone wrote. It's that mask, that skin mask?

931
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: What is that?

932
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: I don't know?

933
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 7: It comes up, It comes up.

934
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: And I click off of it really fast. But then

935
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: sometimes I wait like three seconds, then I click off

936
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: it really fast.

937
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: It's not I don't have it.

938
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: It's such a bummers on you guys. That's your time, Steven,

939
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: leave it up the whole time. It looks like anything

940
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: you've seen in ed Gain school, except for that it's

941
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: melting on purpose to.

942
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 7: Fuck with you.

943
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: It's so upsetting.

944
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 7: It could be I don't think that's his.

945
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: You don't think he made it.

946
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: I don't know.

947
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 7: I don't know if he did that.

948
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: Was it just a piece of art?

949
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: Probably unrelated, you know, how like, okay, how.

950
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: Stuff gets in there and all of a sudden you're like, oh, Cogan,

951
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: come on, I'm trying to look up a murder.

952
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: One of the first photos that comes up when you

953
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 3: google my name that I do it every nighter is

954
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: a Miley Cyrus photo. And I don't know what you lucky,

955
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 3: I know, okay. April seventh, nineteen forty seven. Herb Baumeister

956
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: is born in suburban Westfield, near Indianapolis. Childhood's normal, but

957
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: his adolescence he begins exhibiting.

958
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 7: Anti social behavior.

959
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 3: Acquaintances later well call him playing with dead animals and

960
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 3: urinating on a teacher's desk. Oh, like, was he standing

961
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: on it being down or was he just like up

962
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 3: in the air.

963
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 2: It was like a waterfall from his desk. Yeah, yeah,

964
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: Because then that's not anti social. It's like the coolest

965
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: guy in class.

966
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like very social. Yeah, I have so many

967
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 7: questions about that.

968
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

969
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: A friend says he would say strange things like wonders

970
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 3: what it would be like to taste human urine, not interested,

971
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: and had a fascination with dead animals. As a teenager,

972
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 3: he's diagnosed with sk it'zophrenia, but he doesn't receive further

973
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: psychiatric treatment, which seems so hard to believe because anyway,

974
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: he's just he was successful in a lot of ways, right, No,

975
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 3: if that's okay.

976
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: Like he could afford doctors and stuff. You mean no,

977
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: that he was schizophrenic at all. Oh oh he went

978
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: on to like have normal jobs and stuff.

979
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, like unmedicated, okay. As an adult he starting to

980
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: a successful murderer.

981
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 7: Seems like a hard thing to be.

982
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

983
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 3: As an adult he starts to exhibit increasingly hard, bizarre behavior.

984
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: But of course someone still marries him always. I have

985
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: a photo.

986
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 7: I think there's a photo of the two of them together.

987
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: The Bester family.

988
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 7: No, no, only let's let's look at him for there.

989
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: There they are, Stephen, you did not put these in order, Stephen,

990
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: you didn't put these in the order. I didn't tell

991
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: you to put them in never told you about that

992
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: one works. I think there's one more behind it. Yeah,

993
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 3: there we are. Oh like, she's that's right.

994
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: He put a ring on that crazy mother.

995
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: Fuck her and he's like, I'm gonna killt lot of people.

996
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: Sure, I'll buy your right. Little does she know.

997
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: He marries Julie Satyr in nineteen seventy one, and they

998
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: have three fucking children, although Julie later admits that she

999
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: and herb had sex only six times in the twenty

1000
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 3: five years they were married. So you can go back

1001
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: to the one of the family. There we are, look

1002
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: at those kids, are.

1003
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: Like, oh fuck, so it's just six times. So it

1004
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: was two for the kids, three for the kids. Oh

1005
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: three kids each time took two tries, and that was it.

1006
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 3: That's it. It's all you get, Julie.

1007
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: There's a piece of tape down the middle of the bed.

1008
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: You stay on your side.

1009
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: Yes, but actually she said she never saw him nude,

1010
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 3: that he would get dressed in the bathroom, put pajamas

1011
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 3: on the bathroom before coming the bed. He was ashamed

1012
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: of a skinny body. I'm also a fucking psychopath. So yeah,

1013
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 3: it's not just like a lot of people are skinny yeah,

1014
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 3: a lot of.

1015
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 2: People are, you know, it's kind of the dream for

1016
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: some A lot of people are like flatting that shit. Yeah,

1017
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: that's true, making money at it.

1018
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 3: He has a bunch of uh, weird jobs, but his

1019
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: behavior is always weird and creepy, including urinating on his

1020
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: boss's desk.

1021
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: Wait, he was like, it's me the urinating on the

1022
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: desk guy.

1023
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 3: Kind of his thing again, standing on the floor and

1024
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: kissing up or standing on the desk, because it's kind

1025
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 3: of like like funny if he was standing on the desk, yeah,

1026
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 3: you know, but he's on the ground.

1027
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, or was the desk in the bathroom

1028
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: and it's not his? Hell? Fair, let's be fair, good question, fairness.

1029
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: What if in the bathroom after this there's just a

1030
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: I walked endo p and there's just a desk in

1031
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 3: the bathroom. No, taunted.

1032
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: They don't need someone's like, Georgia, I'm glad you came

1033
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: in to see me today. This is your yearly review.

1034
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 3: I never saw him nude. He was skinny, weird job

1035
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: pete on the desk. Then he found a thrift store

1036
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: chain in Indianapolis in nineteen eighty eight called Save a Lot.

1037
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: This Save a Lot sucks?

1038
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 3: Did you guys know that you used to buy your

1039
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 3: fucking ventured shit a fucking murderers shot.

1040
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: It was all comfort in pee I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1041
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't normally do pea and pood jokes. What if?

1042
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 3: What if your like childhood bunk bed was from Save

1043
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 3: a Lot? Oh bad memories?

1044
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 7: All of a sudden, your mom, You keep getting blamed.

1045
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: You're like, I swear to God, I don't wet the bed.

1046
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: I know, I'm seven. Can you please listen to me?

1047
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 3: Then why did they smell like pain? It became I'm

1048
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 3: super fucking successful, and they open a second location, and

1049
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 3: they got super fucking rich. They buy a huge tutor

1050
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: house in upscale Westfield district called the it's called Fox

1051
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 3: Hollow Firms. They have a fucking you live in a

1052
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: place with a name.

1053
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: Oh we got rich people here, Yeah, Fox Color.

1054
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 3: Firms eighteen and a half acres in an indoor pool,

1055
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: which depresses me so much.

1056
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: It smells so much like chlorina pool.

1057
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: They always It just makes me think of like your

1058
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: divorced dad who's like spending all his money before your

1059
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: mom can get it.

1060
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 7: It's just like, so he has an indoor pool.

1061
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like, I don't kids, it's snowing, get

1062
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 3: in there, and you're like, but I can't, but I

1063
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 3: don't want to do laps. Okay. Then in the nineties

1064
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: nineteen nineties, gay men in the Indianapolis area start to disappear. Authorities,

1065
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 3: of course, blamed it on their lifestyle and they were like,

1066
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: they ran away to the big city, you know, to

1067
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 3: like because so we were we wouldn't like make fun

1068
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 3: of them. So that's where they went, and that all

1069
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: the men were of similar age, height and weight. But

1070
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: Virgil vander griff who's like a fucking the hero of

1071
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: the story needs to be played by like Harrison Ford

1072
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 3: or some shit.

1073
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: He's kind of a vander Griffy type, Virgil Virgil, look

1074
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: at my earring.

1075
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: Here's an erring.

1076
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 7: I hate that airring.

1077
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: They just call him Griff for fee. Anyways, he's a

1078
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 3: retired successful private investigator, which is fucking awesome. And he's

1079
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 3: approached by the mother of twenty eight year old Alan

1080
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 3: Bursard to ask for help finding her missing son, and

1081
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: Virgil starts to put the pieces together. Alan was part

1082
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 3: of the local gay scene and was last seen leaving

1083
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: a bar called brothers well, and after party there.

1084
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: Where it seems like brothers. Something's going on at brother

1085
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of don't want to know.

1086
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: It would take too long for an audience to.

1087
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 3: Tell us a story. Let's have our bachelorette party. Others right,

1088
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: that's rd or.

1089
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: It burned down and people are upset.

1090
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 7: We don't know, okay.

1091
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: Well.

1092
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 3: Investigating Allan's disappearance, vander Griff stumbles upon the case of

1093
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: Jeff Jones, who disappeared in mid ninety three, a year earlier,

1094
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: a year earlier, vanishing from the streets of Indianapolis. The

1095
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: last disappearance which caused Vandergriff to link all the cases

1096
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: and convince him that Indianapolis has a serial killer was

1097
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: when he was convinted by a man named Tony Harris.

1098
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 3: I think that's not his real name though, because he

1099
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to be a part of this.

1100
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: He tells vander Griff that his friend Roger Allan Goodlett

1101
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: thirty four, had left a gay bar called Our Place

1102
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: with a man calling himself Brian Smart, and he hadn't

1103
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: been seen since. So Tony is convinced that Brian Smart

1104
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 3: had killed his friend, but When police brush him off,

1105
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: he takes matters into his own hand. Oh hell ya,

1106
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 3: Chuck Norris st Yeah, played by Chuck Norris.

1107
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: We've done it. We're casting this thing. We're doing several

1108
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: jobs at once.

1109
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 3: Steven, write those names down. When Tony next sees Brian

1110
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: Smart at a gay bar, he tricks Smart into taking

1111
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: him home with him.

1112
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, oh he's going under cover lake.

1113
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1114
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's not a good idea though.

1115
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 7: I know, but it's pretty badass.

1116
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 2: It's insanely badass. Yeah, only got it survived and otherwise, yeah,

1117
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be an intense tragedy. Yeah, okay, we all understand.

1118
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: We got that.

1119
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: Smart invites Tony back to his house were a cocktail

1120
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: and a swim. When they get to Brian Smart's house,

1121
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 3: a large Tudor Manson mansion, they go for a swim

1122
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 3: in the indoor pool and eventually things get weird or

1123
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 3: when Smart says, you know what I mean, Yeah, indoor

1124
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 3: pool's weird enough weird. I just learned that, so Brian

1125
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 3: Smart says, I just learned this really great trick. If

1126
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 3: you choke someone while you're having sex, it feels really great.

1127
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: It's not a trick.

1128
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: They're like, we were sorry, we were just talking about baseball.

1129
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: What the fuck?

1130
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

1131
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1132
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 7: I thought you were going to show me some magic. Yeah,

1133
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 7: this is not a magic trick. This is creepy. And

1134
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 7: he says if he choke some uh, you really get

1135
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 7: a great rush. He says, okay, sounds fun.

1136
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 6: Uh.

1137
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 3: He he showed Brian shows Tony how to pinch the

1138
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 3: carotid arteries and says it's such a great buzz. You

1139
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 3: should see how someone looks when you're doing it to them.

1140
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 3: Their lips change colors, and that's how you can tell

1141
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 3: it's working. And you're like, cool, let's make out, Like,

1142
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: who the fuck was I just want to know you

1143
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 3: more now. Yeah. Yeah, So Tony allows Smart to demonstrate

1144
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 3: on him.

1145
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: But Tony's not the private investigator, right, No, Tony's the

1146
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: dude who's trying to left the gay bar.

1147
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that dude.

1148
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: And he's just like, I'm going I'm going to do

1149
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: this myself. Yeah, that's awful.

1150
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 7: A lot of bad ideas. I'll have a bad idea.

1151
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe thought he could find Okay, go ahead, sorry,

1152
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: I keep you.

1153
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 7: No, it's good. That's the point of this whole podcast.

1154
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh right, that's right.

1155
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 3: So he allows him to do it, but he pretends

1156
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 3: to be unconscious before he could pass out, which I

1157
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 3: always thought was a fake thing. Eventually, Tony convinced it's

1158
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 3: smart to take him back into town. It happens, he

1159
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 3: wakes back up, he's like, I'm good, and they're like

1160
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 3: he's like, can you take me back to town?

1161
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 2: And he does and he's like fine, yeah, because he

1162
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: didn't pass out sexy enough or something. Also, what I

1163
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: hate is I'm picturing all of it happening in an

1164
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: indoor pool, so it's all echoey smelling. Yeah, it's like

1165
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: smells like chemicals, and it's like, now you pass.

1166
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 3: Out, can you just I gotta go a gross, moldy

1167
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 3: chase lounge.

1168
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: One of those signs that says we don't swim in

1169
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: your toilet, please don't pee in the pool, or.

1170
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 3: Active diarrhea if you have it, please don't come in.

1171
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: Active time.

1172
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 3: If you have had active diarrhea in the past twenty

1173
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 3: four hours. This is we don't do shit chokes. Yeah,

1174
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 3: but it's not it's not who we are.

1175
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 2: No. There's also the one that's like, welcome to our ool.

1176
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: You might notice there's no p in it. Let's keep

1177
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: it that way. That's funny signs from the seventies.

1178
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 6: Love it.

1179
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 3: And then oh and then so he convinced him to

1180
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 3: take it back to town. Tony brought this information to Vandergriff,

1181
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: who I'm sure Tony left some shit out, probably right,

1182
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 3: that's like even worse than that. And he also told

1183
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 3: Vandergriff about how there were mannequins in the basement where

1184
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 3: Smart had his like bar hang area, what do they

1185
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 3: call them, like a bachelor murder area. Yeah, mannequins all

1186
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 3: dressed up in various poses like hanging out.

1187
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start crying. I don't like this at all.

1188
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 3: Well, when Tony's like, what the fuck's Smart, He's like,

1189
01:03:55,560 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: I get lonely down here. They give me company, They

1190
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 3: give me company, They give me company. Do you know

1191
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: what I bet? I bet so. I think he would

1192
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 3: bring home clothes from his thrift store. I bet he'd

1193
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 3: bring them back, and someone in this audience is wearing them.

1194
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 3: One can we bring the house slights up?

1195
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 2: Uh? Do you know how loud? I would start screaming

1196
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: if we turned a corner. We're like, here's the mannequin room.

1197
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 3: I'd just be like, I mean, especially if you look

1198
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 3: like that fucking dude, can we get the closer picture

1199
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 3: of her?

1200
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 2: Because that one's another one more bad by himself because

1201
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 2: he's got the eyes. He's got the eyes of a

1202
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: person that Nope, loves mannequins.

1203
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 8: They'll find it very I love mannikins. MANI kills people,

1204
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 8: but they don't talk.

1205
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 3: Herb okay, So he brings us all the info to

1206
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 3: the police. Virgil Vandergriff brings us info of the police.

1207
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 3: But the only person who would take him seriously was

1208
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 3: a detective named Mary Wilson's who's played by her who's

1209
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 3: playing her, Uh, Marcia gay Harden probably is right, first guest, right,

1210
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 3: because you're gonna have she's gonna be a person that's

1211
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 3: gonna be a wear like a good pant suit.

1212
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 2: She's gonna put her hand back like this and show

1213
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: her gun, but she might she's not going to brandish

1214
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: her gun. She's just going to be like, I've got

1215
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:32,959
Speaker 2: a gun.

1216
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1217
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Marcia gay Harden for ladies and gentlemen.

1218
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 3: That's perfect. So Mary. As it turns out, it was

1219
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 3: investigating disappearances of other Indianapolis men as well, those of

1220
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 3: twenty year old Richard Hamilton, twenty year one year old

1221
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 3: Johnny Bayer, and twenty eight year old Alan Livingston, and

1222
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 3: others dating back to the early nineties.

1223
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 7: All game in well.

1224
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 3: Tony couldn't remember where Smart's house was located.

1225
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 2: Oh, Tony, I know it's key, key information.

1226
01:05:58,840 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 6: I know.

1227
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 3: He's like, I think it had the name Fox in it.

1228
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 3: Like he really couldn't remember. And they even were like,

1229
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: what about this house that has an indoor pool, And

1230
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 3: he's like, I don't think it is.

1231
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: It was Tony. Okay, Tony was high as a little

1232
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: coke little fucking He's like, look, I had to blend in.

1233
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: It's just I had to do what was everybody else

1234
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: was doing.

1235
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 7: It's the early nineties. There's a lot of coke.

1236
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: Probably, I don't really remember an indoor pool or mannequin.

1237
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 3: Let's see, he couldn't remember, but he's he is. He

1238
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 3: is obsessively frequent in gay bars for the next year,

1239
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 3: in hopes of spotting Smart again. He's like, I'm going

1240
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 3: to fix the fact that I can't remember the shit. Well, yeah,

1241
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 3: but he couldn't track him down a whole year. Almost then,

1242
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 3: on the night of August twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five,

1243
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 3: Tony spots Smart in a gay bar takes down his

1244
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 3: motherfucking license plate number nice. When Mary Wilson runs the plates,

1245
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 3: they belong to not anyone named Brian Smart, but to

1246
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 3: Herbert R. Baumeister of Westfield, Indiana.

1247
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 7: Did you guys get catch on to that? Probably right?

1248
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 6: I did?

1249
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 3: I did, I didn't.

1250
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: I've definitely did.

1251
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 3: He lived in a state cal blah blah blah blah

1252
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 3: with his wife and children the manor house Mary learned

1253
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 3: how to swimming pool in the basement. Mary confronted Herb

1254
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 3: at his first store. She's like, I think you're a

1255
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 3: fucking murderer of gay men. And his thrift store is

1256
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 3: failing right now because of his increasingly erratic behavior.

1257
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: Mannikins, like Herb, we don't need that many mannequins.

1258
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 3: It's just you can't even walk through the aisles. Ye,

1259
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 3: it's nuts.

1260
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 2: You don't need you don't need shopping mannequins, and we have.

1261
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 3: Shoppers for that. Oh, how craepy would that if you

1262
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 3: turn a corner with your shopping cart and it's just

1263
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 3: like mannequin with a shopping cart.

1264
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: I wanted this COR's T shirt it's mine.

1265
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 3: Oh god, no no, but he refuses to talk. They

1266
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 3: said they wanted to search his home and they're like,

1267
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 3: he's like, talk to my lawyer. Don't talk to me again.

1268
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 3: But then they go to his wife, Julie, who also

1269
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 3: has you know, ain't over the property and is like, hey,

1270
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 3: guess what your husband's We think he's killing gay men

1271
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 3: around town?

1272
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 7: Can we search your property? And she's like, I can't

1273
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 7: deal with this right now. Get the fuck out of here. Nope, nope,

1274
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 7: she like, noped it real hard.

1275
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: Well that makes a lot of sense.

1276
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,520
Speaker 7: You gotta right, that's awful. Yeah, She's like, oh fuck.

1277
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: Then he gonna go for us swim.

1278
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 3: I can't.

1279
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 2: I can't handle this right now.

1280
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 3: Well, six months goes by and her brain is like, oh,

1281
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 3: like slowly catching up to the oh fuckedness of it.

1282
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,879
Speaker 7: She remembers it a year earlier, her son.

1283
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 3: Had been playing in the wooded backyard and he finds

1284
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 3: a half buried, complete human skeleton. Yeah, what hey, mommy, mommy, go.

1285
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 2: Am, mommy, mommy, it's Halloween already.

1286
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 3: And she's like, oh shit, and she's like, honey, please

1287
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 3: tell me an excuse because I can't handle this. And

1288
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 3: he told her that his father had been a doctor.

1289
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 3: She said it. He said it had been one of

1290
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 3: his dissecting, dissecting skeletons, but he started in the garage

1291
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 3: and then buried it in the backyard after he decided

1292
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 3: to clean the garage as you do.

1293
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 2: And there was a slippers and Brian, you know it's

1294
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 2: like this all the time. Well, this happens, I thought

1295
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 2: you were gonna say. And I feel like other people

1296
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 2: did too, Like the son found like a human femur

1297
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: or just someone small thing, not a half buried human,

1298
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: motherfucking skeleton, all like West Craven presents in your backyard.

1299
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,799
Speaker 3: It is so upset that poor kid man. Oh Jesus,

1300
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 3: he's not having a good life. Are or he's living

1301
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 3: his best life?

1302
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: That's right. He became Oprah Winfrey, Love.

1303
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 3: It, Love it. In addition, for several months at a time,

1304
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 3: she and the kids would get the fuck out of

1305
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 3: there and visit his mother, leaving herb at home alone

1306
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 3: for like months at a time. That makes sense, right,

1307
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 3: when you leave your husband for months and go to

1308
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 3: his mom's house because she's cooler to hang out with

1309
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 3: us than your husband.

1310
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 2: His Mom's cooler than him. Yeah, that's it. That's your marriage.

1311
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, great, bye.

1312
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 3: And the timeline she like put it together, and the

1313
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 3: timeline matched of when the guys were disappearing. So she

1314
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 3: was like, you know what, I'm gonna fall for divorce.

1315
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 3: And then she calls Mary and she's like, get the

1316
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 3: fuck over here. Now he's out of town. So in

1317
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 3: June of ninety six, Mary she Mary goes to Mary

1318
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 3: along with some skeptical officers, who of course would like

1319
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 3: they ran away to the big city. You know, still

1320
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 3: know it simply must be so yeah, I don't look

1321
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 3: at evidence. I make it up easy easy.

1322
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1323
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 3: I was like, you like easy, easy, no, no, no, easy, peasy,

1324
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 3: got it. They they go to the property to search.

1325
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: They step out into the backyard and they immediately acount

1326
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 3: or a bone about a foot long charge from having

1327
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 3: been burned in the backyard, as well as fragments of

1328
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 3: bones strewn about, an even human teeth.

1329
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 2: Oh dude, that's from my uncle's dentist dental company. The

1330
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: Houstony love gardening, you know so much.

1331
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 7: We heard it helps the plants grow and keeps the

1332
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 7: bug of away.

1333
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: Sprinkle teeth on petunias.

1334
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 3: Oh, the colors the State Fair. Every year I enter them.

1335
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 2: It is nightmare. You walk out from an indoor pool

1336
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 2: into fucking bone yard.

1337
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: Like crunch, crunch. The sheriffs are like, we don't think

1338
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 3: this is oh fuck, and Mary's like, gun, yeah, I

1339
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 3: tell you, I fucking told you so. After police thoroughly

1340
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,919
Speaker 3: searched the eighteen acre estate, they turned up the remains

1341
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 3: of eleven men. Early in his investigation, Vandergriff, good old,

1342
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 3: fucking reliable Vandergriff, He's going to be played by a

1343
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 3: hound dog. I think, you know what I mean with

1344
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 3: a fucking.

1345
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, uh go, yes, yep, mcgraff, Yeah,

1346
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: he's McGrath. That's right, he's halfway there.

1347
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 7: That's all there, mcgraff, Vandergriff, where we go?

1348
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 3: So easy? So he had made connections to the disappearances

1349
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 3: of gay men in Indianapolis, between them and the strangling

1350
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 3: murders of gay men whose bodies were found dumped along

1351
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 3: the corridor of Interstate seventy in Indiana and Ohio between

1352
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 3: Indianapolis and Columbus. Is that right, which had been dubbed

1353
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 3: the I seventy murders, and it's herb well here we go.

1354
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, yes, thank you for listening.

1355
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 7: That's why I stood nice.

1356
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 3: The last known I seventy murder nine of them in all,

1357
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 3: had been committed in nineteen ninety, not long before the

1358
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 3: Indianapolis disappearances began. So Julie Boutmeistra told authorities that her

1359
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 3: husband made as many as one hundred trips to Ohio

1360
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 3: and on what he said was a business trip. You know,

1361
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 3: as you do it, you're in a thrift store, fucking shopper.

1362
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 2: You got to get that good Ohio thrift clothes. Yeah,

1363
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 2: oh right, you guys have all those grandma's letters.

1364
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 3: I mean I would do it. I would, I would

1365
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 3: do it right now. I would go right now. First

1366
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 3: we go dig up the rest of your lady's farm.

1367
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 7: Then you fucking go.

1368
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 2: Then we go down to sweater Land. Yeah, or is

1369
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: it down? Don't know where I am that way? Not

1370
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: sure where I am?

1371
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 3: Is there barbecue on the way, We stopped for barbecue.

1372
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 3: I'm going good, good, great.

1373
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 2: Them.

1374
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 3: So one hundred business trips. Somebody set a store business

1375
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 3: and during the late eighties, his and his photo match

1376
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 3: the police sketch drawn from witnesses who thought they had

1377
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 3: seen the I seventy Strangler, which I think it was

1378
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 3: a fucking sketch of it because Stephen's awesome.

1379
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 5: Ooh.

1380
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 9: The one on the right is the Scarecrow from the

1381
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 9: Wizard of All. I don't know, I want to miss

1382
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 9: you most of all Scarecrow. I don't know if it

1383
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 9: looks like him, but he's a black guy's creepy.

1384
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. They were like, just can you give the worst

1385
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: eyes you've ever looked at? And then a weird poudy lip, trust.

1386
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 3: Me on this very very light mustache, and let's.

1387
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 2: Pluck those eyebrows a little bit.

1388
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1389
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so he's officially later declared the Ice seventy Killer.

1390
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

1391
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. So this guy during the time, during the stretch,

1392
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 3: during the search of his property, he disappears her Do

1393
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 3: you know I did that?

1394
01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 7: And I feel like I was. I knew I was

1395
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 7: going to do that at some point.

1396
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 3: It because when I was a kid, I called herbs

1397
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 3: herbs and my mom yelled at me for so it's

1398
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 3: a triggering. So now I see the word herb and

1399
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, don't fuck that up, but it's herb.

1400
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 2: Jesus, so many issues on the table tonight. You would

1401
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: man never even you wouldn't expect it. We look so normal,

1402
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: and they arrested her Herb.

1403
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 3: So he disappears from the place he's stay in, out

1404
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 3: of town. When he finds out they're searching his property.

1405
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 3: He was at Lake Wawassee in Cosacochesco County, where we'll

1406
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 3: be touring next.

1407
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 4: What.

1408
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 3: Thank you?

1409
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 2: Then he enters, Yes, now it's perfectly clear, thank you.

1410
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 3: I learned an Oregon not to repeat what's the name?

1411
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 3: Because I got it wrong again? And everyone just yells

1412
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 3: it loud.

1413
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was so do you remember the

1414
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 2: name of that city?

1415
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 7: Fuck?

1416
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 3: No, it was hard though, you guys. Okay, So he

1417
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 3: is he okay. He goes out of town and he

1418
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 3: goes into Canada. On June thirtieth, he ends up in

1419
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 3: Grand Bend, Ontario, and they're at Pinery Park. On the

1420
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 3: evening of July third, Herb writes a suicide note attributing

1421
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 3: his decision to kill himself to his failing business and

1422
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 3: irreparable marriage. But nope, doesn't mention the skeletons, oh, the

1423
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 3: dead men. No, it's because his marriage sucks, you know

1424
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1425
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1426
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 3: His final words on the three page suicide note said

1427
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 3: that he would now eat a peanut butter sandwich, which

1428
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 3: was his favorite snack, and then go to sleep. He

1429
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 3: even apologized for messing up the park. Then he put

1430
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 3: a three hundred and seventy five magnum two point three

1431
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 3: to seventy five magnum. I don't know guns, revolver barrel,

1432
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know for.

1433
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 2: Soon to just he put three hundred and seventy five

1434
01:16:54,760 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 2: guns into his mouth, just to be sure, but he didn't.

1435
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 2: That's herb.

1436
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he put it to his forehead, he pulls the trigger.

1437
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 3: His body is found eight days later. Yeah, gotta you know.

1438
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 3: It's some some hikers going. That's what's that smell? It's

1439
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 3: always what's that smell?

1440
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1441
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:16,759
Speaker 3: Hikers?

1442
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 2: And what are all those flies doing over?

1443
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah. The evening before he died, a Canadian trooper

1444
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 3: stopped him to ask him why he was sleeping in his.

1445
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: Car and ask him why the long face.

1446
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, hey, why the peanut butter sandwich and a

1447
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 3: long face?

1448
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 2: Quit messing up this part.

1449
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 3: Before letting him go, she notices some luggage in the

1450
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 3: back and what looked like a pile of videotapes in

1451
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 3: his back seat. But when they find his car, no

1452
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 3: signs of the videotapes there never recovered. Police suspect he

1453
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 3: threw them into a river before he went and killed himself.

1454
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 2: I hope.

1455
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 6: So.

1456
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 3: Virgil Vandergriff said, well, these videotapes of the murders he

1457
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,759
Speaker 3: committed were decent? Were these the videotapes of the murders

1458
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 3: he committed in the pool at Fox Hollow Farms.

1459
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 7: We'll never know, and perhaps it's for the best.

1460
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 3: But then you have to play Virgil grand and rock clearly,

1461
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 3: thank you, okay, really quickly. Then, of course I fucking

1462
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 3: looked at the email. Sorry you guys, my allergies. Are

1463
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 3: you know the city?

1464
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 7: Okay?

1465
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 3: Hey, Georgia and Karen, I started your podcast months ago

1466
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 3: and been meaning to send you my hometown murder, but

1467
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 3: I'm so fucking forgetful and lazy i never got around

1468
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 3: to it until now.

1469
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: Hey.

1470
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm from a small city of Westfield, Indiana and

1471
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 3: have lived here my whole life. My hometown murder starts

1472
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 3: when I was around ten and I used to hang

1473
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 3: out with my friend about six out of the seven

1474
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 3: days of a week for the summers I lived there.

1475
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 3: Something I was thrilled to find out that they moved

1476
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 3: to a beautiful farmhouse about a mile away from where

1477
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 3: I lived.

1478
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 7: No, no, no, oh no, it's not forget that.

1479
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 3: It's not that, it's not it's totally that trick you.

1480
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 3: Not only because this house was a hop, skip and

1481
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 3: a jump away from my house. I love that, but

1482
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 3: it was fucking insane. They had acres of wind where

1483
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 3: they're newly purchased horses, around a giant manton, and oddly,

1484
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 3: remember indoor pool where.

1485
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 7: We spent most of our time.

1486
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: Oh really, and what about the ghosts that we're there with? You?

1487
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 3: Well? I never got a creepier eerie feeling about the

1488
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 3: house until I was older and started noticing odd things

1489
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 3: such as the secret room behind my friend's bathroom mirror.

1490
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 2: Say it again, Say it again? What's this you say?

1491
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 3: I never got to creepy your erie feling about the

1492
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 3: house INTI I was older and started noticing all things

1493
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 3: about the secret room behind my friend's bathroom.

1494
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: Mirror, whole room behind a mirror, and then you go

1495
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 2: into the room face first through a mirror.

1496
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 3: It just said murder room, face first into them. Or

1497
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,560
Speaker 3: maybe the fact that we found quote amable bones in

1498
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 3: the backyard. Oh, our parents freaked out a little more

1499
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 3: than I thought they would. But it wasn't until I

1500
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 3: was watching a local network when I found out that

1501
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 3: the fairy house my friend lived in Fox Hollow Farms

1502
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 3: was previously owned by a story killer my parentsly obviously.

1503
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 3: My parents obviously knew, but kept it from me because

1504
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 3: of my age, apparently. And then she says killed them

1505
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 3: in the indoor swimming pool. I didn't realize. Don't worry.

1506
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 3: It doesn't stop there. He continued to burn them in

1507
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 3: the fireplace and buried them in the backyard. So we

1508
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 3: burned them in their fight in his fireplace, which I didn't.

1509
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 3: I didn't find that info anywhere else. It's a pretty

1510
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 3: interesting story. If you guys ever have time to.

1511
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 7: Read it, which I know you won't.

1512
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 2: It says that so negative.

1513
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's all. I have loved the podcast. If

1514
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 3: you're ever in Indianapolis, maybe we can take a tour

1515
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 3: of the farm SSDGM Maddie, that's her Bob my Ster

1516
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 3: that myster way to go Indianapolis. I mean that is

1517
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 3: there is.

1518
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 2: A ghost Hunters or a Haunting. There's an episode of

1519
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 2: one of those shows, and that's the first time I

1520
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,560
Speaker 2: heard of this story. Yeah, and it is such a

1521
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 2: bummer because everything else is bad real time, how it happened,

1522
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 2: the fact that it was like just a marginalized group

1523
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 2: of people who were like, oh, it's not a problem

1524
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 2: that these men are disappearing, all those things, The fact

1525
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 2: that people, you know, these murderers get away with killing people.

1526
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 3: And then he gets to just kill himself and never

1527
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 3: have to deal with any of it, never talk about it.

1528
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 7: Irustrating.

1529
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 2: Then mannequins, indoor pools, as we've talked about, behind the

1530
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 2: mirror room behind, I mean, then on top of it,

1531
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 2: ghosts and you fucking fold some ghost feelings inside there.

1532
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 3: I want to thank this fucking town because sometimes we'll

1533
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 3: go to a city and I'm like, I don't know,

1534
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 3: like I've done every Chicago murder, I don't know what

1535
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 3: else to do. At this time, I was like, oh

1536
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 3: my god, this is like I felt like a gift

1537
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 3: that was given to me.

1538
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 2: I get to tell everybody about RB.

1539
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.

1540
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:01,839
Speaker 7: So that's that was amazing.

1541
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 2: It was so good.

1542
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you.

1543
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 3: I didn't mean like that was amazing, Georgia.

1544
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 2: I just said, where even if you don't clap We're

1545
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 2: gonna be like that was fucking incredible and standing out more?

1546
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 3: Can I show you Georgia font So let's see it.

1547
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 3: Tell that is gorgeous. Thank you, it's so clear.

1548
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1549
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 7: Hmmm, it's so not convoluted, Like I am, what.

1550
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 2: Was in the room behind the mirror? And why wouldn't

1551
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 2: you just put a secret door instead of how do

1552
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 2: you get into a room that's behind a mirror? Is

1553
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: there another door besides the mirror, like a full length

1554
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: fucking mirror in a different room? Does it have to

1555
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 2: be mirrors? Are you a warlock of some kind? Is

1556
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: there anyone that knows the answers?

1557
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Who built that mirror for him? Did they come

1558
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 3: over like sure? Yeah, you're like, it's for my mannequin,

1559
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 3: it's my.

1560
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 2: Manico Manikin asked if they could have a secret room

1561
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 2: behind the mirror, and I was like, you know what,

1562
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 2: it's your birthday.

1563
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,799
Speaker 3: Yes, you get there, and the builder's like okay, yeah, salads, w's.

1564
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 2: It great, let's do it. Here's my bill. Everything's cool.

1565
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 2: You get to live your life. Okay, we're back. Are

1566
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 2: there updates for this story?

1567
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: There are nearly three decades after the death of serial

1568
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: killer Herb Baumeister. The victims are still being identified. As

1569
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: of this year, there are at least twenty five victims

1570
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: suspected to have been buried at Fox Hollow twenty five.

1571
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,600
Speaker 2: Do you fi's a small town cemetery?

1572
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1573
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:36,799
Speaker 2: Wild.

1574
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: More victims were identified in twenty twenty three and twenty

1575
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 1: four thanks to renewed efforts by Hamilton County Coroner Jeff Jellison,

1576
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: who used new DNA technology to identify the thousands of

1577
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: human bones and bone fragments found on Baumeister's property. Good

1578
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: This enabled them to identify additional victims, including Alan Livingstone

1579
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: who I mentioned, Manuel Rissinde's Jeffrey Allen, Joe Ozones who

1580
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: went by Jeff who was also mentioned, and then earlier

1581
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 1: this year, Hulu released a four part docu series called

1582
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: The Fox Hollow Murders, Playground of a serial Killer that

1583
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: explores a theory that Baumeister had an accomplice. And there's

1584
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: actually still a phone number to call to contact the

1585
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: Hamilton County Coroner's office if you think you need to

1586
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: arrange a DNA sample for a loved one who went

1587
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: missing all the way back then, and god, I just

1588
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:29,959
Speaker 1: I still think about his children, and I hope they're well.

1589
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 2: It's so wildly dark and scary and continuing on the

1590
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 2: idea that they're still investigating in that way where it's like,

1591
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 2: is this possible that one person could have gotten all

1592
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: this done? Just reapproaching it constantly to be like, what

1593
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 2: is the real answer of what happened here? At least

1594
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 2: they're doing that.

1595
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it reminds me so much and that

1596
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: maybe it's just because I'm reading a book about it

1597
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 1: right now, and there was just a new documentary about it.

1598
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: But the Dean Coral, you know, Candy Man killing Candy Man,

1599
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: same thing where he was dead, so they kind of

1600
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: have to un cover all this information through his accomplices

1601
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: and just whatever information, Like they're still identifying bodies.

1602
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 3: It's just like how does it happen?

1603
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: And how did it happen?

1604
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 2: And go on for so long that then the after

1605
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 2: effect goes on for I mean, per Baumeister thirty years.

1606
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 2: They're still working on that because it was ignored and

1607
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 2: it was marginalized group, right, it was like this doesn't

1608
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 2: matter and the world.

1609
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:26,799
Speaker 1: In Sheep's clothing.

1610
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 7: It's so gross.

1611
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 3: Okay.

1612
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: The book is called The Serial Killers Apprentice.

1613
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 2: It's really good about the Canaman.

1614
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a documentary about it.

1615
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 2: Okay, well, now we have a hometown story from the

1616
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 2: live show about the barbecue murders from audience members Taylor

1617
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 2: and Rebecca.

1618
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah.

1619
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 7: Do you think that we have time?

1620
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 2: Yes? And here's the cool part, and this is on

1621
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 2: our system. We've got a story you tweeted us today

1622
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 2: or yesterday, and I need to hear the story about

1623
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 2: the girl who dressed up in her murdered cousin's clothes.

1624
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 2: That that's coming out wrong. Someone put her into.

1625
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 3: Ways did the girl that's about to come up here

1626
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 3: dress in her.

1627
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 2: Let's let her explain it.

1628
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 3: I see her there. Okay, come around this way, come

1629
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 3: around this way, and then army, roll, army, what just happened?

1630
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 7: Let's bring out our hometelly.

1631
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 3: Who are you?

1632
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 2: Thank you?

1633
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 4: Oh? Hi?

1634
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: Whoa whoa, whoa? Whoa?

1635
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 3: Hi?

1636
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 2: What's your name?

1637
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 3: You probably don't need Taylor, Taylor, we don't need all that.

1638
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 6: And I'm Rebecca.

1639
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 2: Hi, Rebecca, don't do you guys want to get up

1640
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:47,879
Speaker 2: on this like backup stairs?

1641
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1642
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 2: Fun here we can just Taylor, Taylor and Rebecca will

1643
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 2: explain that tweet so that people understand what's your name?

1644
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 2: And it all happened for us sound wise, thank you

1645
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 2: you're talking to Thanks?

1646
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 3: Noah, thank you?

1647
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: Okay, we use it anyway, show business. So I sent

1648
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 2: the tweet out, but it's her story.

1649
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 3: Get out of here, Okay.

1650
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: It had to be told to.

1651
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 6: Creepy and weird.

1652
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 2: Are you guys related?

1653
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 6: No, we work together.

1654
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 3: Oh okay.

1655
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1656
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 4: So I actually actually sent this in as an email

1657
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 4: and I was telling Beck about it and she was like, no, no, no, no,

1658
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 4: you have to you have to tell the story. So

1659
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 4: this actually happened before I was born. My mom was

1660
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 4: actually pregnant with me. And I'm from one of those

1661
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 4: families in like southern Indiana who has like all of

1662
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 4: these cousins are not actually cousins, they're just like your

1663
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 4: marriage or like your parents are really close friends or whatever.

1664
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's easier.

1665
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 2: We have that in California too. It's called having friends.

1666
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 6: So I have I called him my cousins.

1667
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 4: But at the time, there was Jamie who was like four,

1668
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 4: and Cherry Lynn, who was about a year and a

1669
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 4: half old, and their parents had just gotten divorced.

1670
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 6: Their dad was in the Navy and he was stationed

1671
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 6: in Pearl Harbor, and.

1672
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 4: He got custody of the kids after the divorce whatever whatever.

1673
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 4: Took the kids off to Pearl Harbor, and one day

1674
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 4: he was like, Cherry Lynn's missing.

1675
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 6: She's gone.

1676
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 2: And she's the older one or the younger one.

1677
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 4: She's the younger one. She's like a year and a

1678
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 4: half old, and she's like, she's gone. I don't know

1679
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 4: what happened. I went out, I met this woman, I

1680
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 4: brought her back, and then I.

1681
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 6: Just noticed that she was gone.

1682
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 4: So like two days later, I happened to notice that

1683
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 4: my children weren't there anymore. So two days later they

1684
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 4: found a body in Pearl Harbor in a duffel bag

1685
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 4: that was just like floating along, you know, Hawaii, and

1686
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 4: Sherry Lynn is inside. And so he claims that he

1687
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 4: doesn't know it, he doesn't know what's happened. And then

1688
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 4: this woman comes forward and she was like I was

1689
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 4: the one he took him that night. She wouldn't stop crying,

1690
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 4: and he was like, oh, just ignore the baby.

1691
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 6: This is fine. We can you know, like still have

1692
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 6: our time together.

1693
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And she was like no, this is like

1694
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 4: really fucking weird, man, I don't want to like kiss

1695
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 4: you while your baby's crying, and so she left and yeah, right,

1696
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 4: So what eventually happened is that he got really mad and.

1697
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 6: Strangled the baby.

1698
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 4: And was like, I don't know what to do with

1699
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 4: this body, so let's just like put it in like

1700
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 4: a national monument. No one's gonna find it, that's right.

1701
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 4: So they it was actually kind of the same thing,

1702
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 4: like he was acquitted with like a regular dream but

1703
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 4: then like the Navy, remember I don't know what story

1704
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 4: that was, remember.

1705
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, doesn't suck around with stuff like that. After

1706
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 2: so he went to jail and.

1707
01:29:58,439 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 6: They're doing this investigation.

1708
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 4: My mom was like nine and ten thousand months pregnant

1709
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 4: with me, and the FBI like bursts into her work

1710
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 4: and is like what do you know about this and

1711
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:11,600
Speaker 4: she's like, I'm just a little pregnant woman. I have

1712
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 4: no clue what you're talking about.

1713
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 7: That old story.

1714
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, So he ends up going to jail for like

1715
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 4: fifteen years, and when he gets out, the first thing

1716
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 4: he does is he comes back to Indiana and he

1717
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 4: visits the grave and I had like family members who

1718
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:27,839
Speaker 4: were there at the time, and he just like awkwardly

1719
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:28,799
Speaker 4: walked up and it's like hey.

1720
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 6: Guys, like, oh, you're like can you g yeah, like

1721
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 6: this is really awkward.

1722
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 4: And then he's never been seen again, Like we yeah,

1723
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 4: we've never seen him again. But I had an aunt

1724
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 4: who kept all of her clothes, and every year when

1725
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 4: I had like my pictures of like three, four, five, six,

1726
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 4: oh my god, they put me in her clothes until

1727
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 4: I was like too big anymorey?

1728
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 3: Why why?

1729
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 4: Why? Why?

1730
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 2: Who would do that?

1731
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 3: And I just get to this stage and I'm gonna

1732
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 3: have to buy her why because she also looks.

1733
01:30:58,920 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 2: Like her Oh.

1734
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 4: Girl, there's there's a set of like two pictures where

1735
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 4: you can't really tell who's whose We're in the same clothes.

1736
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 2: It's like a VC Andrews novel. What's the fuck? Wow?

1737
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 7: I wish she could put a photo up, right, I

1738
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 7: know I was.

1739
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 4: I tried to find one and I emailed my mom

1740
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,799
Speaker 4: yesterday and she was like, yeah, dude, we don't look.

1741
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 2: At those scary.

1742
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 3: Dude, what is wrong with you as most of our

1743
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 3: family does.

1744
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, my family's pretty messed up.

1745
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 3: Well that's a good one dollar Taylor.

1746
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 2: You guys too, Yeah, thank you so much. Done.

1747
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 3: Good job, very good, And you.

1748
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 2: Guys, good job Little Bay from the Dollar Store is

1749
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 2: shared on the Facebook page. But the little bags from

1750
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 2: the Dollar store like top secret official report and it

1751
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 2: talks about a fake arson.

1752
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 3: It's like an evidence bag. Super cute.

1753
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 2: What's inside?

1754
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 3: So I have tissues and bobby pins?

1755
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:08,759
Speaker 7: Can I have a tissue sharing tissues?

1756
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 2: Can?

1757
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1758
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 2: Georgia needs those? Thank you so much. Awesome, just want Okay,

1759
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 2: do you have any gum or anything? Oh yeah, I'll

1760
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 2: take that whole Baye. Thank you. Nice to meet you.

1761
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 3: Good job.

1762
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

1763
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 7: I'm not not a hugger, which is too bad.

1764
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:43,560
Speaker 2: I don't have pockeys. Yeah, next time, next time. That

1765
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 2: was perfect, you guys, that was so awesome. Thank you

1766
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 2: so much.

1767
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 3: Yay, sounds good.

1768
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 2: See, we can make mistakes and then we can make.

1769
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 3: Good on that, and we can steal gum and tissues, steal.

1770
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 2: Gum, and we can have what we want.

1771
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 3: Let people tell the worst story of all time, and

1772
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 3: that's what this is all about, us getting what we want.

1773
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 2: That's right in the most horrible way. That was a

1774
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 2: tough hometown.

1775
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And there's no updates for the case, so.

1776
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 2: So we have to just move on to the titles.

1777
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 2: Even though it feels in appropriate, But I mean that's

1778
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 2: what happens sometimes when people have their hand up and

1779
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 2: they want to talk about something. That's what we want

1780
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 2: them to be able to do if that's what they

1781
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 2: want and get it out. And I think that's what

1782
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 2: I do love about our audience is the audience gets

1783
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 2: exactly what's happening right and is supportive their show. It's

1784
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 2: their show, and they're just like, yep, we're here for

1785
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 2: all of it, good and bad. Yeah, it's very meaningful.

1786
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 2: So this episode was originally titled Live at the Egyptian Room.

1787
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: If we were naming it today, maybe we would call it.

1788
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,560
Speaker 1: I use Georgia. I don't know why that was like

1789
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: such a revelation, like embarrassing thing to admit it was.

1790
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 2: The first time you publicly admitted use.

1791
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 3: Of course I do to this day.

1792
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I still use it, and Mollie, our producer, can confirm

1793
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 1: that I ask for my scripts in Georgia. I just

1794
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: I like the way it looks.

1795
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 2: She loves a mirror. Also, there's also too many nouns, yeah, always,

1796
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 2: which is us being suspicious of Belle's Gunnis's explanation of

1797
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 2: her dead husband Peter's accident.

1798
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: I got to keep it simple.

1799
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 2: If we've talked people anything over the years, is that

1800
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 2: it how a.

1801
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 3: Lie, how to lie?

1802
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 1: And then of course triflers need not apply, always need

1803
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: that one.

1804
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:42,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a classic.

1805
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks for listening you guys. We're going

1806
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 1: to say goodbye from the Egyptian Room. Thank you for listening, Yes.

1807
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 2: Goodbye, Thank you so much for being good guys, Indianapolis.

1808
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 2: This has been really awesome, What a great show, what

1809
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 2: an awesome audience. Really, we would love it if you

1810
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 2: would stay sexy and don't Bye you guys.