1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: We have a very interesting show for you today, Chris 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Harrison here alongside Lauren Zema here at the home office 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas. Follow me here for a second. There's 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: something that happened today that was emotional and a bit 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: triggering for me, and it had to do with golf, 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: and so yes, technically this episode is about the PGA 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: Golf Tour and a rival league called Live. Now. I 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. Don't push stop yet, Dear God, Chris, 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: do not do an entire podcast about sports, much less golf. 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: I won't. I'm not going to do that. And to 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: keep me honest and to keep me on track, here 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: is Lauren Zema. And I think we can all agree. 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: If there's someone who can keep me on track and 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: away from just sports, it's Elsie. 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: Wow, thanks for giving me that power. Baby. 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: Well, look when you said to me, I want to 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: talk about this today because it was quote very triggering 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: for you and you said it made you emotional. And 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: this whole news headline of the Live Golf Tour merging 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: with the PGA, and for US sports layman's out there. 22 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: My understanding is basically, this is shocking. No one saw 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: this coming, The players didn't know, people deeply involved were 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: completely blindsided by this. And so as you're kind of 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: telling me about this, the first thing Chris came to 26 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: me and said was, this is making me see my 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: own situation with the Bachelor in some new ways. It's 28 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: giving me some new takeaways and making me reflect on 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: it differently. And that is what struck me, because you know, 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: you're not gonna get me with the golf stuff. 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: It's a microcosm of what's going on in the world 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: right now, and it really did make me look at 33 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: my own situation with fresh eyes and realize things that 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: I had never realized before, which was amazing considering I 35 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: have thought in depth about my situation and over again. 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: Consumed us for you know, a couple of years ago. 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: I will I will bore you for like a very 38 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: short time just to give you the five thousand foot 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: level of this whole thing, just so you can understand, 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: because I know there's a lot of LZ's out there 41 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: that are like, what are you talking about? So for 42 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: forever and ever, the biggest pros in the world played 43 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour. Tiger Woods, Jack Nicholas, Arnold, Palmer, 44 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: you name it. They played on the PGA Tour. That's 45 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: where they made their living. They had a monopoly, they 46 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: owned it well. About a year ago there was a 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Saudi based league called Live and this was funded by 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: this Saudi fund out of Saudi Arabia, and all of 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: a sudden, the PGA Tour had competition in this Live 50 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: Golf Tour, which was a competing tour against the PGA. 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: Went after the big name players, offered them hundreds of 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: millions of dollars and they got a big star like 53 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: Phil Micholson, Brooks, Koepka, Dustin Johnson. These are big names 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: in the golf world. And now all of a sudden 55 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: there was competition and serious competition in the world golf 56 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: where there hadn't been any. And this is a billion 57 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: dollar industry, a bill multi billion dollars, where money, endorsements, companies, 58 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: commercial television rights, all of this is on the line. 59 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: So why do I bring this up Because when this 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: happened about a year ago, the PGA Tour quickly went 61 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: on defense because they had a monopoly. They didn't want competition. 62 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: Understandable and to clarify the idea, was if you were 63 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: going to go play on the Live Golf Tour, you 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: could no longer play on the PGA. Right, Like, the 65 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: players were forced to make a decision and Live was 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 3: luring them with lots of money and opportunity. 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: Well that's what happened the PGA Tour. Upon losing, some 68 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: of these players quickly said, there is a line in 69 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: the sand you choose. You choose this Live Golf Tour 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: or you choose the PGA. 71 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: Period an ultimatum. 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, which probably broke a lot of anti trust rules 73 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: and some monopoly rules, and that's part of the lawsuits 74 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: and the things that I'll get into in a little bit. 75 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: But these guys had to choose, and they did and 76 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: they chose to go with Live. So the PGA, clearly 77 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: feeling the pressure, had to click it up a notch. 78 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: And this is where things get interesting, and this is 79 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: where everything changed for me. And this is why I 80 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you today, because what the PGA 81 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: Tour did was they had to create animosity. They had 82 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: to create a fight. It's not enough to say, hey, 83 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: it's no fair that you want to play in our sandbox. 84 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: Now we've had a monopoly and you want to take 85 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: some of our money. That argument doesn't hold weight. So 86 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: what they did is they went to the players, the employees, 87 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: and they weaponized them. They gave them talking points, they 88 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: fed them information that made the other side seem evil. 89 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: This Saudi League, they kept calling it the Saudi League, 90 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure you knew it was coming out 91 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: of Saudi Arabia, that these evildoers are now buying these players. 92 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: We are just and if you stick with us, we 93 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: are loyal. You're a team member, you're part of this 94 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: family at the PGA Tour. We got your back. Well, 95 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: j Monahan, let's call him the creator of this show. 96 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: Let's call him the executive. 97 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: Is he of Live ORGAPGA Tour? 98 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: Is the boss at the PGA Tour? Well, he's not 99 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: the most loved, as most CEOs aren't, so he couldn't 100 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: be the face of this. So what he did he 101 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: found the freshest, most lovable face he could, a golfer 102 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: named Rory McElroy. Let's call him the host of the 103 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,559 Speaker 1: PGA Tour. 104 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: A lot of analogies happening here. 105 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: So they go to Rory, who's a great golfer and 106 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: so loved. He's Irish, he has a cute little accent. 107 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: He's very forthright and honest and transparent. They go to Rory, 108 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: they make him the spokesperson. Rory, you get out there, 109 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: you get out front and center, in front of the cameras, 110 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: You recite all of our talking points. You fight the 111 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: good fight. We are on the just side of this. 112 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: We're on the right side of history. We're going to 113 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: make it right. And remember we're a team. Buddy. We 114 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: love you. You're our brother, We got your back. We 115 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: will never screw you over Rory. You're our hope, our golfer. 116 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: So that's how Rory went out, and Rory did so 117 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: thinking and again I don't put this on Rory. He's 118 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: thinking he's doing the virtuous thing. He thinks he's being loyal. 119 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: He thinks he's doing the lord's work here by toting 120 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: the company line. And it cost him dearly. He started 121 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: drawing a line in the sand, started arguments and fights 122 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: with players that he was friends with just weeks before. 123 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: The stress of this has deteriorated his game. He's not 124 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: the same player he was. Everybody will agree he's been 125 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: a bit of a mess because of this. He took 126 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: so much heat. He took all the pressure. Meanwhile, the 127 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: PGA Tour and Jay Monahan got to sit in the 128 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: shadows and just watch see how this goes well. It 129 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: wasn't going well enough, so the PGA Tour turned up 130 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: the heat. They then weaponized the media. Does this sound familiar? 131 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: Pretty interesting? There was an interview about a year ago 132 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: that Jim nance did with j Monahan on a PGA 133 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: tour broadcast on CBS, major network. Again, CBS, they have 134 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: millions in play here, hundreds of millions at play. Jim 135 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: Nantz has been a loyal subject and a member of 136 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, the PGA, and he's you know, announces all 137 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: of it and does He's great. By the way. I 138 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: love Jim Nantz. I respect him. I know Jim Nantz. 139 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: I've talked to him on a number of occasions. He 140 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: is a legend in broadcasting. But he did this interview 141 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: with Jay Monahan and he clearly read talking points that 142 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: were given to him. He took a stance. And now 143 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: this is where I have an issue with Jim and 144 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: I did back then as a journalist. Let's just say 145 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: it was really poor journalism. It was pretty gross. He 146 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 1: wasn't asking questions of Jay Monahan, the commissioner who should 147 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: have had all these answers. He started making these declarative statements, 148 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: very strong statements about live golf and the people that 149 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: run it. Talked about sports washing, a phrase that really 150 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: became popular and used back in the Olympics when Nazi 151 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: Germany was hosting the Olympics. They talked about sportswa washing, 152 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: about using sports to kind of show how your society 153 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: is great and how everything's okay, and please don't look 154 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: over here, look how wonderful the Olympics are. That was 155 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: the Nazi regime and sports washing back in the Olympics. 156 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: They start using that term in regards to this live 157 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: golf tour. But it's Jim Nance saying this. Someone we love, 158 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: someone we respect, someone we've watched our entire childhood. Now 159 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: it's Jim Nantz saying this, So it carries a lot 160 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: more weight than Jay Monahan saying it. It was some 161 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: of the worst journalism I've witnessed outside of Michael Strahan 162 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: and how he handled my interview. It was very reminiscent 163 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: that interview, watching Jim Nansen and the links he went 164 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: to bringing up nine to eleven, bringing up the nine 165 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: to eleven families, that this was all on these golfers' hands. Basically, 166 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: these golfers that went to live have blood on their hands. 167 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: This was jim Nantz making these statements. And then Jay 168 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: Monahan added on to it, really sad journalism by jim Nantz. 169 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: It really disappointed me greatly. And again I give him grace, 170 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: and I still love jim Nantz. I respect him that 171 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: one moment in time. I guess he thought he was 172 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: on the right side of history. He thought he was 173 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: doing the right thing. He thought he was defending people 174 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: who were going to be there for him. But that 175 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: wasn't enough. There is a thing called the Golf Channel. Yeah, 176 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: that's right. That thing that's usually on in the background 177 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: of your house and your husband just disappears for hours 178 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: on end. That's the Golf Channel. 179 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 4: There is. 180 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 3: I was going to say, first of all, this is 181 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: a lot of drama, a lot of interesting relationships, and 182 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: for anybody who's not a golf fan, but maybe your 183 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: partner is, you are going to walk in with some 184 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: things to say tonight. 185 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so go on the Golf Channel. 186 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: So the Golf Channel jumps in. They're partly owned by 187 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour and kind of exist with the grace 188 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour and they're owned by NBC. For 189 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: the entire year, they have i'd say ninety nine point 190 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: nine percent been against Live Golf. They have read the 191 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: talking points the PGA Tour wanted to give them. They 192 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: have promoted PGA. They're all PGA because that's that's where 193 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: their money lies. Well, these announcers, these sportscasters, and again 194 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them I know and a lot of 195 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: my respect have said really rough things about Live Golf 196 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: and the people that went to Lift Golf. It has 197 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: been one hundred percent one sided, no objectivity, no real journalism. 198 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: When it came to the other side of this story, 199 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: instead of just posing questions and posing points, they made points, 200 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: they gave opinions. Again, golf fans are watching this. These 201 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: people at Golf Channel again probably thought the PGA Tour 202 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: was on their side, probably thought NBC was on their side. 203 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: We're going to be loyal, We're going to be team players. 204 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: They got our back, They'll never screw us over. We're 205 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: on the right side of history. Well, everything changed. As 206 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: I used to like to say on the show, everything 207 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: is about to change. Jay Monahan again, we'll call him 208 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: the creator, the CEO, president of PGA Tour. When he 209 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: made this strong statement when Live Golf started. Remember he 210 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: went in the room and said, guys, we are a 211 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: band of brothers. We make decisions together, we live or 212 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: die together. This is all about transparency. It's all about 213 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: doing the right thing. Have you ever been ashamed of 214 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: playing on the PGA Tour. No, these Live guys can 215 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: be ashamed. Don't worry. This is all about family. When 216 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: I woke up this morning on Twitter, I found out 217 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: at the same time Rory McElroy did, the same time 218 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods did, the same time every employee, Slash Golfer 219 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: found out. We all found out on Twitter that Jay 220 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: Moonahan and the PGA Tour have merged with Live Golf. 221 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: So now that you set that up, it's like they 222 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: were saying for a year, this thing is evil, This 223 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: thing is toxic, This thing is going to tear us apart. 224 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: These people are tied to nine to eleven, These people 225 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: are sports wise, These are evil, evil human beings, and 226 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: you are a part of it. Dustin Johnson, Patrick Reid, Bubba, 227 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: you guys are a part of this. That was the 228 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: stance for the last twelve. 229 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: Months, and now they've partnered with this screp Not only 230 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 4: did they do a ONET eighty, it was one hundred 231 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: percent behind everybody's back, one hundred percent in the dark. 232 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: There was zero transparency, There was zero debate, not one golfer. 233 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: All the golfers are going on Twitter right now going 234 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: what the hell aren't these the people we swore we 235 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: would never do business with? 236 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: As Rory spoken, I have not heard. 237 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: Rory's statement yet. I do not know if anybody might 238 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: be in the bottle, the bottom of the bottle of 239 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: boerman or Irish whiskey talk about someone who got screwed 240 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: over in this more than anybody, Rory and I love 241 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: Rory McElroy. He is a good guy. I mean one 242 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: hundred percent across the board. Everybody loves Rory, which is 243 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: why he was the perfect mark to push out there 244 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: to be the voice of what the PGA Tour wanted 245 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: him to be. Again, let's just call him the host. 246 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: Very interesting that they have left him on an island. 247 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: The damage is done. He's lost friends, he's lost fans, 248 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: his game is deteriorated. Now he'll be back. He's not 249 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: going to be in the poorhouse. But what they did 250 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: to him was unconscionable. How they have stabbed him in 251 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: the back, pulled the carpet out from under all of 252 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: these guys because all of these guys were offered big 253 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: money Rory Colin Morikawa, I'm just naming some other big 254 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: golfers where they were offered hundreds of millions of dollars 255 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: to go to live. But they thought they were told 256 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: they were doing the right thing by saying no, and 257 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: if you stick with us, we'll take care of you. 258 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: They woke up this morning and realized all they did 259 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: was piss away hundreds of millions of dollars because the 260 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: PGA tour in J. Monahan singularly decided that the best 261 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: interest of all of them was to join forces with 262 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: Live an LZ. You and I love journalism. I turned 263 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: on Golf Channel. First of all, the announcement was made 264 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: on CNBC, very telling as well. The guy on CNBC, 265 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: he may like golf, but he doesn't know it. He 266 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: doesn't know how to dive into this story. So it 267 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: was a very very soft landing spot for J. Monahan 268 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: and the Saudi group, who by the way, won in 269 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: this big time to come and announce this merger. So, 270 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: after this announcement and Jay Monahan completely contradicts hypocritically everything 271 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: he has said and stood for for the last year, 272 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: we go to Golf Channel. When I tell you the 273 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: analysts were like deer caught in the headlights, it's an understatement. 274 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: I felt partly, I felt justified, but I felt sad. 275 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: These people now don't have talking points. They now have 276 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: to think for themselves. They now have to navigate these 277 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: unchartered waters because the safety net was ripped out from 278 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: under them. 279 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: Well, and they're probably thinking about what they said over 280 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: the past year, and now how are they worried about 281 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: contradicting points they made before? 282 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: Things they said before. 283 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: They were they were mumbling, they were stumbling. People that 284 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: I really respect in this business had nothing to say. 285 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: They literally were wide eyed. Go back and watch it. 286 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: It's fascinating TV. These guys were all just kind of 287 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: mumbling and stumbling and asking questions. And flash forward several hours. 288 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: This just happened today. I usually don't like to date 289 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: these things, but it's Tuesday. It's one thirty in the 290 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: afternoon Central time when I'm taping this, So they've had 291 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: several hours to count to try and gather their thoughts. Now, 292 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: these quote unquote journalists are asking questions, poignant questions, lobbing 293 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: out questions like maybe this is the best thing for golf. 294 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: Maybe the entire geo political existence of the United States, 295 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, the Middle East shouldn't have been on the 296 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: shoulders of Dustin Johnson. Maybe the President of the United States, 297 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: Maybe some of these other political leaders could handle this. 298 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: Maybe it's not on the golfers to figure this out. Now, 299 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: they're still right and wrong here, and that needs to 300 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: be settled, and that needs to be talked about. By 301 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: the way, there needs to be questions about Saudi Arabia, 302 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: about China, which the PGA tour is massively in bed with. 303 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: So when you get into this human rights thing, you 304 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: can't just pick and choose. You can't cherry pick only 305 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: because you were worried that this was going to cost 306 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: your organization hundreds of millions of dollars. The same Saudi 307 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: fund they own, maybe it's not the majority, but they 308 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: are massive shareholders in UBER. Nobody's not used UBER. 309 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: First of all, you know, you said we love journalism. 310 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 2: I used to love journalism. 311 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: I was just talking to somebody about this the other day, 312 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 3: and we've discussed it a little bit before. It's hard 313 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: when you are educated in something and you grow up 314 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 3: dreaming of being something, and then by the time it's 315 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: your time to have that as your career, it's changed 316 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 3: so much. I mean, I was growing up reading People magazine, 317 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: and then when I was in high school and college, 318 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: the Internet very rapidly changed everything. Then when I graduated 319 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 3: after studying journalism, video on the internet very much change everything. 320 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 3: Then social media gave it another change. In the fifteen 321 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 3: years I've been doing this, the industry has changed so much, 322 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 3: so fast, and I don't know that I love it anymore. 323 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: It's not what I grew up loving. 324 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 3: And a huge part of that is because I questioned 325 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: so much about it ethically, Like in this case, I mean, 326 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 3: these quote unquote journalists, I mean they are journalists, but 327 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: they're in a tough spot. Their boss is telling them 328 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 3: what to say, their boss owns. You know, there's so 329 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: much money at stake here, and I know you know 330 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 3: that feeling not just from journalism, but from hosting reality 331 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: TV also. 332 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: Well, and look at you know, you look at Jim Nantz, 333 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: who again, I really respect. I've looked up to him 334 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: as a broadcaster. He made a really bad decision in 335 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: that interview, and he took a bad stance. Now he 336 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: was getting But I understand because that even jim Nantz 337 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: was getting a lot of pressure. Clearly he had been 338 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: giving given things to say and read. Does jim Nantz 339 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: walk away and quit his job? Does Brandal Shambilie on 340 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: Golf Channel? Does rich Lerner on Golf Channel? These people 341 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: that didn't speak up, that didn't ask the right questions, 342 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: that didn't correctly approach this objectively. When NBCPGA, there's so 343 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: much at stake and you're feeling so much pressure, and 344 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: again you feel like you're being a team player, you're 345 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: being loyal, you feel like you're doing the right thing. 346 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: Well, plus people will say, oh, you should take a 347 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: stance at work and you should be like, be the 348 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: voice and speak up. It's not that easy to walk 349 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: away from your job, even if you've made a lot 350 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 3: of money and you're talking about walking away from the 351 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: career you've built. About thinking to yourself, if I do this, 352 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: will I ever work again? 353 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: Because you're also going to be blackballed in the rest 354 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: of the community. 355 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: Exactly so it's really not an easy thing to do. 356 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: And you know, I do think one thing that's hard 357 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: is like you're working for a company, but publicly you 358 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: have to privately represent that company and on some level 359 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: do what you're. 360 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: Told, but publicly you're yourself. 361 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 3: Like you, I know, everybody is a boss they have 362 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 3: to answer to, but when you are, you know, in media, 363 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: you have to publicly say things to the world as 364 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: you and with your name on it, but behind the 365 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 3: scenes you're told what to do to a certain extent. 366 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: And I felt like that. I mean, for twenty years 367 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: on The Bachelor, I spoke for the Bachelor, but it 368 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: was me. And sometimes you're having to deliver a message 369 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: that it's not that you're not okay with it, but 370 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: maybe that's not what you would say if it was 371 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: just up to you. And I'll go a step further 372 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: a layer of this that again I found very interesting 373 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: and I was yelling at the TV. There was this 374 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: documentary that I was so excited about called Full Swing. 375 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: If you on Netflix, if you watch Drive to Survive, 376 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: there's a few of these kind of sports docs that 377 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: came out brilliantly done by the way Drive to Survive, 378 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the people that do it are incredible at 379 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: what they do. They decided to do one of these 380 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: for golf called Full Swing, and they happened to be 381 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: filming the year that this happened last year, so I'm like, 382 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: oh my god. These documentarians captured everything that was happening 383 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: when the PG two are fractured in live and guys 384 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: were leaving and there were fights and arguments and things 385 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: we know about. I watched this quote unquote documentary and 386 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: it was one hundred percent like watching a PGA Tour 387 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: media film, a promotional film put on by the PGA Tour. 388 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: They made every PGA Tour guy seem like the greatest 389 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: human being in the world. I mean, Captain America. Put 390 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 1: an American flag on this person, give him some apple pie. 391 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: He's going to sing, God Bless America. Then they would 392 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: cover the live guys Ian Poulter throwing a tantrum in 393 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: the locker room, throwing his clubs. He's on edge Brooks Koepka. 394 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: He's mentally unstable, he's losing it. Literally, they change the music. 395 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: They would change the music to this like grab the money, 396 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: get your bag, like that kind of stuff. Then there 397 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: would be this soft glorifying, you know, beautiful lens that 398 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: they would paint the PGA tour. That's how this Full 399 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: Swing turned out to be. It was a PGA pr stunt. 400 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: And today again this journalist Chad mum who was a 401 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: big part of this Full Swing, he tweets out, you 402 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: better believe we were filming when this broke. Yeah, where 403 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: were you when it broke a year ago? Bud? Where 404 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: was Full Swing? You didn't show they never in that 405 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: Full Swing. They didn't show you one thing that you 406 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: didn't already know happened. There wasn't one insight. 407 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: Well, who funds that exactly? 408 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: It's not who funds it, who gives the access. You're 409 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: not going to get access to a PGA locker room, 410 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: You're not going to get access to the PGA events 411 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: if they don't have editing approval of you're gonna make 412 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: us look good? And man, did they put a cherry 413 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: on top of the PGA tour and took a ginormous 414 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: dump on live. I mean it was I mean literally, 415 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: they changed the. 416 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: Music so much drama it's funny. 417 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 3: I will say I'm not very golf aware, but in 418 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: that past year there have been a couple times when 419 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: I've turned to you and said, like, wait, I just 420 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 3: saw his headline of what like Phil Mickelson said about. 421 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: Like I for the first time. 422 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 3: Was aware of golf news because these golfers were getting 423 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 3: very heated and debated, and like it was very It 424 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 3: was maybe the most dramatic year for golf ever. 425 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: It has easily been the most dramatic year. And the 426 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: PGA Tour tried to quickly pull some things back because 427 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: their league clearly had problems with it, and so they 428 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: started to change, like perse structure and give them more 429 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: money and give all these crazy deals and restructure. But 430 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't enough. And the problem is, here's the very 431 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 1: interesting thing of why you're wondering, how how did this 432 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: all happen? What was the tipping point? In my opinion, 433 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: what happened was the guys that went to live started 434 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: winning because they were still able to play on some 435 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: of the major championship. They were able to play on 436 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: a couple of tournaments, and one of them, Brooks Koepka, 437 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: just won a major championship. He just won the PGA Championship. 438 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: That screws the PGA Tour because now you don't have 439 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: the best players in the world, not all of them. 440 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: You can't say the best players play here, the best players. 441 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: But I thought they weren't all. You wasn't allowed to 442 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: play in the PGA. 443 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: Well, there was a loophole where these guys were allowed 444 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: to play in about four or five certain tournaments a year, 445 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: called the Majors. So they came over when they could, 446 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: and they were dominating. They played really well. So now 447 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Rory is losing and Brooks kept 448 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: his winning. This doesn't look so good. So again, all 449 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden, we wake up today shell shocked. Nobody 450 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: and this is crazy and this Day and Age Golf Channel, nobody, 451 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: New York Times, nobody had this story. Nobody had a 452 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: sniff that this was coming down the pipe. 453 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: Was that triggering for you? 454 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what was triggering was just the having 455 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: the rug and the safety net completely pulled out from 456 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: under you, hearing one day I love you, your family, Hey brother, 457 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: we got you. Don't worry, just go say this, just 458 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: go do this. Rory, be the good guy. You know, 459 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: trust us, we got you, man. And then you wake 460 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: up today and you find out on Twitter that all 461 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: of that was complete and utter bullshit. One hundred percent bullshit, 462 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: and Rory is now left to go answer for his 463 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: own words and his own deeds, and they're what the 464 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: PGA tours. Jme onhand is going to back them up. 465 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 2: So what was that moment for you? 466 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: The moment everything? There was a moment there. There was 467 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: a tipping point when that moment happened for me. I 468 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: can't get into the details of it, but there was 469 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: one night when that moment happened for me when I 470 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: had to say, in my own life, as my own man, 471 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: with you by my side, enough is enough. Enough is enough. 472 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: And I am a big believer. And you got to 473 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: pick that hill you want to die on. I picked 474 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: hill and I had to make a stand. I hope 475 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: the best for Rory, these journalists, it's going to be interesting. 476 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: Some of these people will lose their jobs. Some of 477 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: these people will maybe not quote unquote be fired. They 478 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: may just disappear into the ether and just all of 479 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: a sudden you don't hear from them again. And you 480 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: have someone who's different on the air. So will jim 481 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: Nantz disappear? He's such a big star. I doubt it. 482 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: Why do you think people are going to get fired 483 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: over this? 484 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: Well, because now these guys are coming back, the narrative 485 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: has to change, and if you were a part, I 486 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: mean strongly. So there's a guy, Brandal Shambily who's on 487 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: Golf Channel and now he's not very well liked. I 488 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: happen to be with eight legendary golfers yesterday at a 489 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: golf event, which is fascinating because we were talking about 490 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: live golf just yesterday with these legendary golfers. These are 491 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: Champions Tour, Senior Tour guys, and first of all, they 492 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: were a little confused on the rules and how everything 493 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: went too which I found fascinating. These guys are entrenched 494 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: in this and they didn't even understand at all. None 495 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: of them mentioned that this might happen today, but they 496 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: were confused by it. But they all talked about this 497 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: one guy, Brandal Shambalie, and how arrogant he is in 498 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: his opinions. He has been unbelievably outspoken about liftg golf. 499 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: This might ruin him, He might be done. He's actually 500 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: going to speak tonight, so I can't. I don't know 501 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: what his words are going to be. Maybe he apologizes, 502 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: maybe he backs off. He's a really bright guy. So 503 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: his technique and his style is usually to double down. 504 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: Maybe he doubles down, but if he goes against doubling down, 505 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: now means he goes against the PGA tour, the hand 506 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: that's feeding him. So if he goes against j Monahan, 507 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: the hand that feeds him and says now you're dirty. 508 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: Now you're just as bad as these other guys, he's 509 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: not going to be on that channel. So what do 510 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: you do. He's left. He's on an island. 511 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 3: So you said that this made you look at your 512 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: own situation in new ways? What changed in your mind today? 513 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: It just made me sad, and it made me think 514 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: of the things that were said to me, promise is 515 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: made and things that I went through. When a line 516 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: in the sand is drawn, whether it's me drawing it 517 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: or whoever. And part of that was me drawing that 518 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: line in the sand. There were friends, and you know this, 519 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: There were dear friends that I had, some for almost 520 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: twenty years, most all over a decade that worked on 521 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: the show. But when that line in the sand was drawn, 522 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: so were friendships and people I thought would be with me, 523 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: stand beside me, stand in front of me, come with me. 524 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: You're left with that a net. You realize you're alone 525 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: on this island, like Rory McElroy is finding out today. 526 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: You're all alone, Bud. Now it's you, and now everything 527 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: you said is on you. Whether it was the PGA 528 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: two or pushing this, it's on you. And so now 529 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 1: Rory has to personally go unwind all of these very 530 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: sticky situations. And he will because he has a foundation 531 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: of being a well respected, honest man. He's a good man, 532 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: So he'll recover. He'll be fine. Brandal shambilely, I doubt 533 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: he will, and there will there will be others that 534 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: will fall because of this. 535 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: Well, you said that today gave you a big takeaway 536 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: as you were thinking about your own situation and how 537 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 3: this brought up memories for you. 538 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: What was the takeaway? 539 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: Well, the reason I wanted to do this today is 540 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: again not to just talk golf in sports. I think 541 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: this is so much bigger than that. I think we 542 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: can all relate to what's happening right now in this 543 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: golf situation, to our own lives, and to what you 544 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: see happening in our own business world. It made me think, 545 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, we have morality clauses. A lot of us 546 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: have morality clauses at work. Most times, when you join 547 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: entertainment and you're doing a movie or a TV show, 548 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: there's a morality clause. And that's so if you do 549 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: something toward it and whatever that they don't love, it's bad. 550 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: Pr That means they can get rid of you because 551 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: of your morality. I almost think in this day and age, 552 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: we need the reverse. You need to have a morality 553 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: clause with the people you work for. 554 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: You need to be ensure that they will do right by. 555 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: You, that they will carry your name, and that what 556 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: they are doing and what they stand for, what they 557 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: say they stand for, A they will continue to if 558 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: you believe in it, or B. They can't sell you 559 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: out and sell you down the river because what they 560 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: decide is best. And it made me think, how many times, 561 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: no matter what business you're in, a school teacher, computer software, 562 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: real estate, you name it, how many times have you 563 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: been to a convention or a work meeting and you 564 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: go in and the boss is trying to rally the troup, 565 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: say hey, we're a team. As you go, we all 566 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: go loyalty, put the company first, You take care of us, 567 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: and we'll take care of you. Just be careful, I 568 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: guess is my point of b Leary is this, and 569 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: your best interest isn't. And now, look, we all work 570 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: for people. You're an employee, you are going to do things, 571 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: and we're trying to make money for a company and 572 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: hopefully in turn you'll make money too. But in this 573 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: day and age, I think that the tables have and 574 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: probably should be turned a little bit and maybe get 575 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: a morality clause for the people you work for. 576 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 2: Well, what's interesting about that is I do. 577 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 3: Think we live in this time where companies are called 578 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 3: out on social media like to take stands on things right, 579 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 3: And I actually struggle with that a little bit because 580 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: I don't need every brand or every company to like 581 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: weigh in on every social issue, you know. I think 582 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 3: there's a little bit too much of that actually, But 583 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 3: I mean, at the same time, you want, I think 584 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: you want to be in alignment with the company you 585 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 3: work for. 586 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 2: For sure. It's one thing. 587 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 3: I don't need a company to be like publicly weighing 588 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: in on every single issue that's out there politically or socially. 589 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 3: But I do think if you work for someone, you 590 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 3: want to be in alignment with them and their values 591 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 3: as a company. So what I would advise anybody is like, 592 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you want to be protected on your 593 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 3: end because the company is not just like you could 594 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: quit tomorrow, that company can fire you tomorrow. It goes 595 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: both ways, and they wouldn't hesitate to And I think 596 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: we all put a lot of personal we put a 597 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 3: lot of ourselves into our jobs. And so you're like, oh, well, 598 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to leave them in the lurch or whatever, 599 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 3: Well they would leave you in the lurch. And gosh, yeah, 600 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 3: I mean I feel for Rory thinking about how he 601 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 3: put himself on the line and his name on the 602 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 3: line through all this and became that sort of spokesperson 603 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 3: for them. 604 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: And I guess that's the main thing too. You you 605 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: ask what to take away, it's when speaking on something, 606 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: it's be careful when someone says, hey, you know, go 607 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: speak on this, Go speak on this, and got put 608 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: your face forward, because as you very astutely said, and 609 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: you brought this up, you know, several weeks ago, you 610 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: and I were talking about am I saying this for me? 611 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: Or am I representing someone else and I'm using someone 612 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: else's words? And do I believe in all this? And 613 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: do they coincide. Are you know, are we together on this? 614 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: And that to me is the interesting thing. And if 615 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: you feel like, oh, this will never change, they would 616 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: never screw me over. Well, ask Rory McElroy. I mean, 617 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if you had asked everybody, and I 618 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: mean everybody in the world of golf yesterday, could this 619 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: possibly happen? The answer would be an emphatic hell no, 620 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: zero points zero percent chance that Jay Monahan will ever 621 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: do business. He would never ever do business. Flash forward 622 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: to this morning and all these people are on an 623 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: island left and alert. 624 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 2: So what was it? Money? It's always about follow the money. 625 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: Anything you ever see, just follow the money. And now 626 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: that they started a can join kind of for profit 627 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: business together. And there are billions and billions of dollars 628 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 1: at stake here. 629 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 3: And I mean I would tell anybody gets stuff in 630 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 3: writing to get it in writing. I mean, in your situation, 631 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 3: there are things I wish we'd gotten in writing. There 632 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 3: are things that I know you were told by people 633 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 3: you'd known for decades. 634 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 2: Asked to do. 635 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 3: And you want to trust well, you were lied to 636 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 3: over and over again on the phone and conversation. And 637 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 3: I wish if we'd gotten some of the promises that 638 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 3: were made in writing. 639 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. 640 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's hard because when you've known somebody a long time, 641 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 3: of course you think they're your friend to a certain extent. 642 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 2: But people's jobs, their livelihoods are going to come. 643 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 3: First, and you know they have to think about their 644 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 3: own families and then their own careers. 645 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: And I get that, and I look forward to running 646 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: into Jim Nantz again and having this conversation with him. 647 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: I would love to have this discussion, just as by 648 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: the way I will with Michael Strahan. If and when 649 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: our pass cross again. 650 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 2: What will you say to Michael Strahan. 651 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: I have questions about his journalistic integrity. I have questions 652 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: about the approach he took twenty four hours after we 653 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: did the interview, the way it was put together, the 654 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: thing he said live on air after the interview, when 655 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: nobody was there to rebut it, and nobody was there 656 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: to put a counterpoint on it. I have questions. I 657 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: would just like to look them in the eye and say, 658 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: what were you thinking or what were you told? And again, 659 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: I have all the grace in the world for both 660 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: of these guys. I just I want to see I 661 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: want to see what they would say, someday you and 662 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: I will sit down, we will have that conversation. That'll 663 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,919 Speaker 1: be a full episode of journalistically ethically everything that went down. 664 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: But thank you for obliging me today and listening to this. 665 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: It was such an emotional morning watching all of this unfold, 666 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: watching the coverage, watching I mean, I haven't seen, you know, 667 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: people moonwalk like that since Michael Jackson was in concert. 668 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: I mean, holy cow, watching these poor journalists moonwalk across 669 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: everything they had said for the last year and try 670 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: and save a situation. It is fascinating. It'll continue to unfold. 671 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: I didn't want to bore you with sports and golf 672 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: and all that, and that's why I had Lz here. 673 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: And thank god she's here to keep me somewhat on 674 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: the straight and arrow. I know I went a little 675 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: golfy for a minute, but I was trying to give 676 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: a little perspective on all this. But thank you, thanks 677 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: for listening, Thanks for being with me always. I do 678 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: like shows like this where we can get real and 679 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: we can dive into what's happening in the world and 680 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: how does it apply to us and how do we 681 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: make it better? And I hope we've done that today. 682 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. I'll talk to you next time because 683 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: we have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. 684 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever, 685 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: and make sure to write us a review and leave 686 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,959 Speaker 1: us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.