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Speaker 1: Hi Hi, Hi America podcast Robert Evans The Bastards. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're um, we're coming in this. This one's been rough.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of disasters behind the start of

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Speaker 1: this episode behind the Bastards podcast, where we talking about

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Speaker 1: the worst people in all history. First off, Um, I

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Speaker 1: got the time wrong. Our our our guest today, we're

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Speaker 1: doing reverse Bastards where someone reads me a story about

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Speaker 1: a terrible person. It's another coup. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: of coups, were like Guatemala, most of Latin America throughout

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Speaker 1: like the sixties to present day. Actually, um, we're a

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Speaker 1: lot like all that. Um. And and my coup guest

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Speaker 1: today is our our friend Christopher from Worst Year Ever.

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Speaker 1: You know him on Twitter as Ice must be Destroyed? Guy. Ums,

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Speaker 1: how's it going Christopher? It's it's it's going pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I have I have successfully come out, come out in

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Speaker 1: charge of this this warlord struggle. Yeah, successfully successfully taking

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Speaker 1: a roll of Beijing for about two hours, which is

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Speaker 1: about the average time that people hold Beijing in this period.

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Speaker 1: Very excited. Well, you've given us a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a hint about the episode for today. I want to

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Speaker 1: start this by noting that you are in Chicago, UM,

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Speaker 1: which I thought meant you were in the Eastern Standard

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Speaker 1: time because I assume everything east of Arizona exists in

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Speaker 1: the same time zone unless it's Texas, and that is

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Speaker 1: apparently not the case, which in Texas at the same

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Speaker 1: time zone, which makes rel You know, I haven't spent

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Speaker 1: I think I think if you broke off a bunch

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Speaker 1: not like that. I just want to let the listeners

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Speaker 1: know that. As we were testing our levels for this recording,

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Speaker 1: I went, whose airplane is there? Somebody? Is there an

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Speaker 1: airplane flying over somebody's house right now? And it was

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Speaker 1: just Robert's foot massage or I thought he could use

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Speaker 1: while we recorded. The thought gust and it was worth

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Speaker 1: the shot, so f it was worth a try. Look,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's impressive, horrifying. It wouldn't be the first time.

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Speaker 1: I keep doing things that create odd noises, Like a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, he had an episode where there

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Speaker 1: was like a clinking sound the whole episode and people

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Speaker 1: kept being what is it? It was a moon clip

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Speaker 1: of forty four plus p ammunition for my gigantic Revolver

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Speaker 1: that I was playing with as a desk toy. Um,

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Speaker 1: I removed that and then I got the foot machine.

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Speaker 1: So it's just just a disaster over here at all times.

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Speaker 1: You're a professional, but you know I'm a professional. This

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Speaker 1: is literally the only thing I do for money. Now.

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Speaker 1: They you are not our host, you are I'm not

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Speaker 1: so Christopher. Do you want to tell us what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about? Want to want to get started here? Yeah? Yeah, Robert,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you something. How do you feel

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Speaker 1: about warlords? Oh? I'm very pro Um. I hope to

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Speaker 1: usually don't live long enough for that to really matter. Um.

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Speaker 1: I already own a Mauser C nineties six, which a

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Speaker 1: lot of my favorite warlords were during the Chinese Civil Wars,

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Speaker 1: and that was a popular gun there. So I feel

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Speaker 1: it seems like a good time. Um, I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't really know any downsides to being a war lord. Well,

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Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes you get assassinated about the Japanese because it

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Speaker 1: a constant problem in the field. All right, So this

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Speaker 1: this week we're doing Chong Zung Chung. Who is you know,

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Speaker 1: he's probably trying his most famous worlord, but he's the

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Speaker 1: warlord who was having the most fun in this period.

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Speaker 1: Oh how yeah, that's the guy I like. Then. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's he's having a ball. He's gonna make history

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Speaker 1: work for you, you know. Yeah, what was that name again,

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Speaker 1: Chong Zong Chong Chung Zung Chung Jong Jong? Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: going John Will we'll work there. And I'm pretty good

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Speaker 1: on Jong. Okay, yeah I can. We can do this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And he's he's also known as the dog meat Warlord,

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Speaker 1: His father, his father played trumpet at funerals and worked

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Speaker 1: Other other than the sort of whole crushing poverty part,

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Speaker 1: other than that he absolutely adores his mother, which seems

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Speaker 1: sort of unclear why this happens, but what's most likely

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Speaker 1: work there. This is the first similarity between this Chinese

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Speaker 1: someone all of these reasons. We know very little about

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Speaker 1: This is the best financial investment he's made in his life,

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Speaker 1: getting a happy ending, and like frankly, after all of

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Speaker 1: Now John is banditing for about two years um, but

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Speaker 1: of brief introduction to it. Manchuria is geographically, it's it's

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Speaker 1: sort of manufacturing belts and railway systems. And Jong Chung

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Speaker 1: But what are he is able to get is a

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Speaker 1: and launch a new civil war. Fair enough, Yeah, I

425
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: I just I don't think the dick pill guys have

426
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: that much weight to throw around. I really, God God, Okay,

427
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: we're back. All right, let's get going. Okay, So before

428
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: before we fully launch into this reference purposes, we need

429
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: to stop and do the briefest, most basic, and most

430
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: half assed Chinese geography lesson in human history, because this

431
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: is the point where Chinese geography becomes very important in

432
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 1: the story. So we're gonna we're look, we're We're only

433
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: gonna give you two cities. So I think we could

434
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: do this. So at the very south of China, there

435
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: is Hong Kong. Um, it's it's it's control, Hong Kong's

436
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: control by the British at this point, it's it's it's

437
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: separated basically from the province of guang Show, which is

438
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: very south to China. Shanghai is kind of in the

439
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: middle of China north south wise on the east coast,

440
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: and then Beijing is further north of that, and then

441
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: the very far north along the border with Korea's bench area. Um,

442
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: and there's you know, all of the different sort of

443
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: Willard clicks in this period because this this this whole

444
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: thing is the greatest proof I've ever encountered. The high

445
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: school never ends. Hey, it's all clicks, be all the

446
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: clicks form for just incredibly petty reasons. Like one of

447
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: one of the most powerful clicks, a click that like

448
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: takes Beijing and rules most of China for four years,

449
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: happened because one click of officers thought the other click

450
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: wasn't promoting them fast enough. And and to make it worse,

451
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: all of these people are classmates because they all they

452
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: all either went to sort of a military a couple

453
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 1: of military academy, either in China or Japan. This is like,

454
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the same as a lot of

455
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: European history, to be honest. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's

456
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: just it's high school with more guns, which is fairly

457
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: impressive considering how many guns than an American high school,

458
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: to be you know, these people have a lot of guns.

459
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's pretty impressive. I was taking a

460
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: cheap shot. Please continue. So it's sort of unclear what

461
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: John was doing during the sort of revolutionary upheaval in

462
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: nineteen eleven. Oh, this is an every thing with John.

463
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: Every account basically conflicts on what he was doing. But

464
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: we know for sure is that by nineteen he ended

465
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: up as a division commander in the army station near Shanghai.

466
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: But in nineteen thirteen, the Nationalists, who are known in

467
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: the U S the k MP for reasons that pissed

468
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: me off to no end. But I will not get

469
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: in here, uh stage stage of disasters revolt And after

470
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: that revolt fails in sort of late nineteen thirteen, John

471
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: gets politically sidelined and tell the foremost start of the

472
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: Warlord period. Now, another person sidelined after the failed nineteen

473
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: revolution was the famous Nationalist general and this guy, like

474
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: my mom had heard of this guy and who had

475
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: not heard of basically anyone else in this story except

476
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: for the main character. So he's he's you know, he's

477
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: he's an important figure in in in the CAMT in

478
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: the sort of the Nationalist party. He's also an extremely

479
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: important organized crime guy. And we will get into in

480
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: the next episode why he's both a Camty general and

481
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: a crime boss. Um. This man's name, yeah, it's it's

482
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: it's a it's a wild story, but yeah, for for now,

483
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: this guy's name is Chen she may Um When when

484
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: when the Nationalist revolt fails. Chen does something that I

485
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: think Basstar's listeners would recognize immediately. He flees to the

486
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: early nineteen hundred China's version of Mexico, which is Japan.

487
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, good, great, yeah, all right, yeah did you

488
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: pend to and just it's Japan is it's it's literally

489
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: just Mexico. Now, um, you know when we just grew

490
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: up in China. The army comes after you fleed in

491
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: Mexico and you flee feed Mexico or now you fleed

492
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: to Japan, and you know, while you're in Japan, you

493
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: have two choices. You can either sort of live out

494
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: your life clients quietly, or you can plant your triumphant

495
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: return to China. And the second thing is what China

496
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: ends up doing. In nineteen sixteen, Chan Saw saw his

497
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: opportunity and returns from Japan to Shanghaiis are another revolution

498
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: against the government. And this is where John takes his

499
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: first real action of the brave new world of World Artism.

500
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: He has Chinn assassinated. Which this this has a number

501
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: of sort of effects. One, the nationalists at this point

502
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: just sort of crumple and they're not going to be

503
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: a real political force for a while. In China. The

504
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: second important thing is that this is how John gets

505
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: in with a couple of very very powerful political patrons.

506
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: The most important person here is this dude named Wupefu

507
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: who is also known as the Jade Marshall who is

508
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: he is universally regarded as a Worldard period's greatest strategist,

509
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: and he he runs one of the Worldard clicks, and

510
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, he he rewards John for his loyalty and

511
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: having his national skuy assassinated, and John that moves up

512
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: in the world really quickly. He briefly becomes the Vice

513
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: president's personal bodyguard, and then eventually he's he's given a

514
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: new command in the army of his own. Yeah, it's

515
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: this whole period's politics. It's really weird because basically all

516
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: career advancement has to do with like which click you're

517
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: able to please, and so you know, if you do

518
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: something for one click, they'll give you something, and if

519
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: you fail, then they kick you out. It's it's yeah,

520
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: it's high school, except a bunch of people are dying

521
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: or more people are dying, like American high school. Like yeah, yeah,

522
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: you said, we're we're looking, we're gonna here. We're all

523
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: familiar with this. We all we all understand the source

524
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: material here. Yeah, you know, Unfortunately, these people are incurribly fickle,

525
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: and Cheng managed to lose his entire army in an

526
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: incredibly minor sort of border dispute war, and this gets

527
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: him just kicked back into the political wilderness. Do they

528
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: get killed or do they just kind of like piece

529
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: out from him? Uh, it's unclear that this is one

530
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: of those things where we're talking about their seven hundred wars, right,

531
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: so most of them, this war I can literally the

532
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: only reference I can find to its existence is that

533
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: Jong like lost his army in it. But it's really

534
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: unclear what happened. And so there's two stories of it.

535
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: One of them is that like they all died, and

536
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: then he goes back to Beijing and tries to bribe

537
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: one of them for his allies with just a bunch

538
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: of these tiny golden lions to get the un assigned

539
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: to him. But who finds out about this and kicks

540
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: him out of the army. And you know, okay, bribing

541
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: a superior officer with a bunch of tiny golden lions

542
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: is like exactly the kind of thing he would do.

543
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: But like the sourcings. Now good, because again, this this

544
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: man's life is just this incredible haze of stories. There

545
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: there's some other sources that say that so she loses

546
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: his war, and then his army is absorbed to another

547
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: warlord army, and then that warldlord also subsequently loses a

548
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: war and collapses. But either way, what we know is

549
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: that he fleets sort of broken, completely alone, back to

550
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: Manchuri in Okay, and okay, this is this is this

551
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: is the point where we have to make another brief announcement,

552
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: which is that there are two completely unrelated dudes in

553
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: the story named jong Um. This is largely because one

554
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: of the early Chinese dynostes essentially got Piste off. The

555
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: people in villages didn't like that they were trying to

556
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: tax didn't have last names, and so they just came

557
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: in and gave everyone last names. And yes, and they

558
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: have like a hundred of these names. These are gonna

559
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: called like the old one hun names. And they do

560
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: this they can get tax records, get better tax records.

561
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: Now every like everyone in China has the same last

562
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: name because they just slaves on people. Yeah, okay, done.

563
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 1: Two of the main characters in this in this are

564
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: have the same name as what you're telling. Yeah. So

565
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: so there's two big Jongs. If I just say Jong,

566
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm talking about our hero Jong Jong Chong, who is

567
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: the dog meat warlord. The second Jong is the guy

568
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: we're going to meet now, whose name is John Druling Um.

569
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: She's the warlord of Manchuria. If I talked about him,

570
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: I'll say his full name, or I'll just say his

571
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: last name, so it's no confusion. Um. Unfortunately for all

572
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: of history and for us trying to get through the

573
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: story the like, basically, the moment a geins to Manchuria,

574
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: Jong decides to try to join dru Ling's army. And

575
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: this is another one of those things that there's a

576
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: very weird story here, which is so his attempt to

577
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: get into the army seems to be that Ruling throws

578
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: this massive birthday party for himself because you know, okay,

579
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: so if you're a warlord, right, like, yeah, you're gonna

580
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: have some pretty wild ass birthday parties for sure. Yeah, yeah,

581
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: this is what what is else is the point of

582
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: being a warlord? If you don't that doesn't even require explanation. Absolutely. Yeah. Now,

583
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: now the weird part about this, so everyone else shows

584
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: up to it. It okay, so we're we're meeting the warlord, right,

585
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: you show up to birthday party with incredibly expensive gifts.

586
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: John just doesn't show up at all. What he does

587
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: instead is he sends these two empty coolie baskets, which

588
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: are those like you know those baskets that, yeah, that

589
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: are being like a coolie is like what the British

590
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: called dudes in India they would pay to carry ship

591
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: for him, and yeah, baskets people carry ship in Yeah,

592
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: they have like there's like a pole that you hang

593
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: them off of there there. There's a lot of people

594
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: use him in China. So John just like gives him

595
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: these two empty baskets, and true lying is extremely confused

596
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: by this because you know, okay, this guy doesn't show

597
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: up to my birthday party and then just gives two baskets. Yeah,

598
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: kind of a weird flex for the warlord. Whose arm

599
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: do you want to be in? Yeah? Yeah, you know. Apparently,

600
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: so what what Jong appears to have been implying and

601
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: what druling like somehow figures out through the powers of

602
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: deductive reasoning that I don't have and I don't understand.

603
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: But apparently what John is saying is that the baskets

604
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: are empty to represent that he would shoulder any burden

605
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: that Joe Ling would give him, which is weird, but

606
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: this actually works. That's but that's like a weird like

607
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: he's doing symbolism shit. Okay, yeah, but you know this works.

608
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: And John is given a minor post in the army,

609
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: which you know will wild. We'll take it um and

610
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: really fortunately for John. A few months later, there's there's

611
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: there's a revolt in Manchuria and Jong is the person

612
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: who puts it down and for that he's given a

613
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: much like a I don't know, I don't know if

614
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: field grades like the right term for this, but he's

615
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: given like a fairly superposition. Yeah, he gets a huge promotion.

616
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: And this, this one decision is going to turn Jong

617
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: from a minor military commander into the most feared and

618
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: despised warlord and all of China. That makes sense. Yeah,

619
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: and you know this, this sucks for the rest of China,

620
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: but for Drew Ling, this is this promotion troults being

621
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: in dably good idea. Um in two Dueling brings John

622
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: with him to negotiate with a group of Russian emigrates

623
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: who become trapped in Mongolia when the country had gained

624
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: a dependence from China and we're trying to get out

625
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: because Mongolia just aligned itself with the USSR. And these

626
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: Russians were former members of the pro Zarus White Army,

627
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: which as as as as as we know from the show,

628
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: had been defeated by the combined efforts of Great Hero

629
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: pod Alum Nestor mock Nos anarchist Black Army, and the

630
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: Bolshevik Red Army in the Russian Civil War. So there's

631
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of these Russian dudes in Mongolia, and because

632
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: John's incredibly fluent in Russian, she's able to just sort

633
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: of extract them and convince, convince these people that work

634
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: for him. And this is where John starts building up

635
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: the core of what's going to be a very dangerous

636
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: and incredibly formidable army. Um he's he gains about is

637
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: like three thousand Russian infantry infantrymen who are you know

638
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: that they're well trained, but you know they're just sort

639
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: of infantrymen. The big deal here is that he gets

640
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: one thousand Russian cavalrymen who aren't with lances, your favorite

641
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: Mauser pistols and he's just enormous funk off swords become

642
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: basically just the backbone of Drung's new army. Yeah, and

643
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: these guys are Cossacks basically, right. I don't I don't

644
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: actually think they're Cossacks. I think they're just yeah, I

645
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: think I think of just regular Russian coffrey, which is

646
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, still just absolutely neverifying, like yeah, like these

647
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: people have just fought through the Russian Civil War, which

648
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: is like one of the worst wars in history. Yeah, yeah,

649
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: and they're just yeah, they're just a bunch of like broken,

650
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: dangerous monsters and every everyone, everyone in Chinese terrified of them,

651
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: and only accounts are like kind of racist about it.

652
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, like Okay, if you were confronted

653
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: with a group of people who like have been killing

654
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: continuously for like ten years now, and like who probably

655
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: read the protocols the elder Zion to their children's bedtime stories,

656
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: like I too would be afraid. Yeah, yeah, that they

657
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: sound terrifying. They were, Um, they probably have a couple

658
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: of ethnic cleansings under their belt to get to China. Now,

659
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: the white Russians also importantly bring another piece of technology

660
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: from the Russian Civil war armored trains. Yeah, there's a

661
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: good train stuff here. There is not a goddamn thing

662
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: I love more in the world than a good armored

663
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: train story. Yeah, there's there's some Sadly I can't get

664
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: into full thingre but there's one of these trains is

665
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: absolutely wild. Like one of these trains was like a

666
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: train that the Czech Ilesion had taken to like flee,

667
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: so they they'd like taken it across half of Russia

668
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: to like flee and ends up in the hands of

669
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: the Japanese and then John gets ahold of it here

670
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: and then he starts to corporate into his army. And

671
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: this is also great because so the Chinese Worlder period,

672
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: this is like the other great armored train war O

673
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: in the Russian Civil War. Now, these trains, these trains

674
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: are and they performed extremely well in this war, which

675
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: is sort of weird because normally they don't perform that

676
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: great because they have this problem where like, okay, so

677
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: if you just cut the tracks in front of them,

678
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: they're kind of useless. But that is the downside of trains. Yeah,

679
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: but you know when when they don't do this, you

680
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: get essentially is a troop transport of tank and an

681
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: artillery battery roll up into one, and this combined with

682
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: the Russian cavalry, makes Jong's army incredibly fast, and this

683
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: speed gives them like a really deadly edge against the

684
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: sort of slower and worst trained Worlord armies that are

685
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: going to sort of serve John Well in the upcoming war. Now, okay,

686
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: we've talked about the right Russian cavalry, We've talked about

687
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: the armored trains, so I think it's time we induced

688
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: we introduced Jong's third secret weapon, the baby squads. Okay,

689
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: all right, I'm I'm I'm excited to hear about this. Ya.

690
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: So the baby Squads are Jong's special army of child

691
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: soldiers who are commanded by his son, who is also

692
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: a child. Now, when we say child, are we talking

693
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: like Garrison child or are we talking like child asked child?

694
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: You know? So the estimates vary on this. They seem

695
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: to have been in their early teens, okay, like like eleven. Okay, yeah,

696
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, but you yeah, I mean some

697
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: of them are child child, some of them are like

698
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: older tweens. Yeah, And you know what's interesting about them

699
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: those so they get their own like incredibly fancy uniforms

700
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: and they get trained with these. John has custom made

701
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: German rifles that can be handled by children, like imported,

702
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: Like he breaks a weapons in Bargo. Do you get

703
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: these custom made German rifles that children can use? I mean,

704
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: you know what I always say, if you're going to

705
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: arm children, you gotta go with German guns. Nobody knows

706
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: arming small children and sending them into war like the Germans.

707
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's just that's just historical fact. Yeah. Yeah,

708
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: you have historical experience combined with quality craftsmanship. I mean,

709
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: they just got through a war that with where they

710
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: participated in a battle called the Slaughter of the Innocence

711
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: because they sent so many children off to die. You know,

712
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: I I They're the right people to go to for

713
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: child rifles, is what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, it's

714
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: a good choice. And you know, I okay, so interestingly,

715
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: so as bes as I can tell, the Baby squadeous

716
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: sort of like a pet project that John gives to

717
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: his like teenage son. But there you know, but all accounts,

718
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: they're extremely well paid and well fed, which makes him

719
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: one of like three units and Jong's entire army that

720
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: is like paid on time and fed, so you know,

721
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: like to be fed or strong. Also, every like literally

722
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: every faction in this war is also using child soldiers.

723
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: And it's notable that Jong spends like a huge amount

724
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: of effort trying to like kick people out of his

725
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: army who doesn't think you're fit to fight, So like

726
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: he kicks like three tho and troops out of his

727
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: army for either being bandit's bad soldiers just like being

728
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: too old or too young. Yeah, that is um, that's

729
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: a lot of that's that's okay. Yeah, why And this

730
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: is another thing. These armies, the world armies are massive,

731
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: like and and you know they and they they kind

732
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: of swell dream when battles are happening as sort of

733
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: this mass conscription, they like recruit bandit groups. But like,

734
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there are battles in this war where there's

735
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: there's there are single battles with four thousand troops like

736
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: this is yeah yeah, but you know, but somehow the

737
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: baby squads never get cut up and it's downsizing and

738
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: so they seem to have been there until the end

739
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: of the war, which you know, all in all, it's

740
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: not the worst use of child soldiers I've ever seen,

741
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: but it's also not the best so Jong Sung Chong

742
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: mid level child soldier users. Yeah, okay, that seems good.

743
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, look, look, it's we've always said

744
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: on this show, using children to fight wars for you

745
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: is as much an art as it is a science,

746
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, And it sounds like he was pretty good

747
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: at the science part, but maybe he could have been

748
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more artful in his use of miners

749
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: as as death troopers for sure. Yeah, nobody's per poty's neerfect,

750
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, you know, it's it's meeting of that though, right,

751
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: Like we're we're gonna get here's something, all right, I'm

752
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: gonna attempt to redeem Jong after his child soldier army.

753
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: So this is also the point in the story when

754
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: John's mother reappears, and it's not clear if they'd like

755
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: found each other sometime in between like when when when

756
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: she was sold off for grain and when he joined

757
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: the army, but by they've reunited and Jong just like

758
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: he he like loves his mom, like they literally travel

759
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: everywhere together, like every time he goes out to the field,

760
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: she's on the train. She just like lavishes her with

761
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: gifts and meals, and attention, and you know, and she

762
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: she loves out the rest of her life and luxury,

763
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: so you know, good for her. She deserves. It's take

764
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: care of your mama for sure. Yeah. Yeah, it's just

765
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: kind of a shame how her son turned out, question Mark.

766
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know you you don't. You don't

767
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: make a happy mom omelet without breaking a couple of

768
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: other people's children eggs. Yeah, and and really, what are

769
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: other people's children but fodder for the baby squads. Well,

770
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the benefit of using children as your soldiers

771
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: is that it's very easy to make more children. People

772
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: have been doing it for forever. Yeah, it's it's it's

773
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: like cutting down trees when they're when they're young. There,

774
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: just plant more trees. Yeah, that's why we have so

775
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: many trees. Yea. So so in a war starts between

776
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: Upe food and his Click, which is based out of Beijing,

777
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: and junk Shillings Click, which is based out of Venturia.

778
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: And this begins a massive series of seppies battles on

779
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: what is the greatest set piece on earth, the Great

780
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: Wall of China, And this whole war is fought along

781
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: like this is the famous part of the Great Wall

782
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: like this is this is this is the part you've

783
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: all seen pictures of it. It's the part that was

784
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: built by the Being dynasty to keep Demand Choose contained

785
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: to Manchuria. Um, you know. And and this means that

786
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: in order to get from Beijing to Manchuria, and Jong

787
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: zong Chong is in Manchuria attempting to invade Beijing, you

788
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: have to go through one of these very small number

789
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: of heavily guarded passes. And it's these passes that the

790
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: Great Wall of China was built the fortify. So each

791
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: of their armies sort of mass and their respective side

792
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: of the Great Wall, and they try, they try to

793
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: prepare a force away to fight the four sort of

794
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: forced away through the passes. Now while everyone else is

795
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: fighting this just like incredibly bloody, pointless stalemate. At one

796
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: of the largest passes, Jong moves up to attack another

797
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: smaller pass, hoping to sort of flank Whoope Foo's army,

798
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: and Cheong immediately realizes that the passes way under defended

799
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: and just storms his way through it. But realizing that

800
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: he was just sort of alone on whoope food side

801
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: of the mountain, he said, he he sits in the

802
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: entrance and he waits for his chance to strike, and

803
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: that chance is going to come after what I can

804
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: I can only describe as absolute clown ship from one

805
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: of whopefoo subordinates cost him everything. So another very crucial

806
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: mountain pass is held by the worst commander in upe

807
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: foo his army. This is a guy, is the guy

808
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: who he's a general, but he's been given a general

809
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: just like because his brother is the president. Now, who's

810
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: assumption is that this past it is literally impossible to

811
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: group defending defending it because it's narrow and there's an

812
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: artillery unit, and so we'll put the chiller unit there

813
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: assuming that. Okay, if anyone comes to the past, she's

814
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: both with our chillery and who's who looks at this

815
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: guy is like, okay, so we need to keep him

816
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: out of the fighting, because you put him anywhere where

817
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: he can command troops, he's going to screw everything up.

818
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: So we're gonna put him in this pass. It'll be fine.

819
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: You can't possibly not not hold it. This would becomes

820
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: the single greatest mistake of Whoopefoo's entire career. His quote

821
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: unquote general and I'm using this term incredibly loosely develops

822
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: this like incredibly elaborate scheme where he's gonna send his

823
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: troops through the past to learn the enemy army back

824
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: through it so that he can shell the enemy army

825
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: after learning the minute. You know, if this is like,

826
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: if you study any military history at all, it's like, Okay,

827
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: this plan is increasingly incredibly convoluted. There's no way it's

828
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: gonna work. What happens instead is that his general's troops. Okay,

829
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: so they go out and they retreat back into the past.

830
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: But this guy mistakes his troops for the enemy and

831
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: kills them all with his own artillery. Excellent general, Yeah,

832
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: that's great, great stuff. And the guy on the other

833
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: on the other side of the past, the commander on

834
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: their side of the past, this guy named Han, and

835
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: Han watches his opponent blows up, blowing up his entire army,

836
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: rips his shirt off, and just like charges into the past,

837
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: barre chested into the past is minefield. Now between four

838
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: and five thousands of Hans troops die in this attack,

839
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: but by by what I can only describe as just

840
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: an actual act of God, Han just like survives this.

841
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: And you know this is he disappears into the fabric history,

842
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: having won a war by just doing a parody of

843
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: Dudes Rock by charging Shirt Loves into a mine field. Yeah,

844
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: he just fucking Leroy Jenkins to victory. Absolutely incredible. And

845
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: what happens next, So so Whoope Foo hears about this

846
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: charge and it's like, okay, this morons charging through the past.

847
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: It's fine, we have the artillery unit there. What he

848
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: doesn't know is that the artillery has used all of

849
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: their ammo showing their own troops. So Hans troops take

850
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: the pass, and the rest of Jong Jo Ding's army

851
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: just fledged through the great Wall. And it's at this

852
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: moment where Whoopey Foo is betrayed by one of his

853
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: subordinates and everything falls apart, and so Whoope Food makes

854
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: he makes one last desperate attempt to sort of like regroup,

855
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: and for for a very brief moment, it looks like

856
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: this is gonna work. But unfortunately for him, Jong Jung

857
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: Chong sees his sees his chance. He's been he's been

858
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: sitting on their side of his past the whole battle.

859
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: He sees his chance, and he makes it. He launches

860
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: an attack that splits Uope Foo's remaining army in half

861
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: and with just a single attack end zoope Food's career

862
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: or you know, Okay, so this is what you would

863
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: think would happen in a normal war when you lose

864
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: your entire army, all of your territory, and all of

865
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: your political support collapses. However, welcome to the Woolard period,

866
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: where the rules are made up, the points don't matter,

867
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: and whoope foods. Somehow, after literally losing everything, we'll be

868
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: back in part two. God, this whole war, why not?

869
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: I I don't believe in this cancel culture bullshit. So

870
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: look if I I feel like, as a warlord, you're

871
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: not really getting good until you've lost two or three armies, right,

872
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: just you gotta you gotta, you gotta Yeah, it's it's

873
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: it's um, it's like riding a bike. Right, You're gonna

874
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: fall a couple of times, you're gonna lose a couple

875
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: of armies. You're gonna get tens of thousands of people killed.

876
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: Like that's just you know, there's no avoiding it. Yeah,

877
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: And you know the product of this is that if

878
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: you look at the full history of this period, like

879
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: it's basically a comic book plot, Like there there are

880
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: dozens of characters who lose everything and then reappear and

881
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: lose everything because just no one, no one ever dies

882
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: until you see a body, and even then it's like

883
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: a Marvel movie. Yeah yeah, it's incredible, except it's somehow

884
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: less coherent. Yeah yeah, I mean it's one of those things.

885
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: The lesson here about all these guys who lose everything

886
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: repeatedly and keep coming back to lose more things and

887
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: then some cases eventually win, is that what determines winners

888
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: and losers in history is that the the winners lose

889
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: just as often as the losers, but they have no

890
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: shame about it. It's true, and you've got to keep

891
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: that in mind. So never ask about how your actions

892
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: affect other people. Um use them as tools and walk

893
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: into the pages of history like this guy. Yeah, and

894
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: the other really important thing here, betray your allies at

895
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: the first opportunity. Oh yeah, that goes all the people.

896
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: All the people who do well on this war immediately

897
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: betray all of their friends, and they get portray their friends.

898
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 1: I don't, I actually cannot. I mean I absolutely will, Sophie,

899
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: because as soon as the dogs in your house bark,

900
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: I threw you under the bus. You know, that's mean,

901
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: that's why I'm successful, Sophie throwing my friends under the bus.

902
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: But you know who I won't throw under the bus

903
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: the products and services that support this podcast until they

904
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: stopped supporting this podcast, at which point they're dead to me.

905
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: We're back, all right, What else we got now? Joan

906
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: makes it like a bandit from this warm So he

907
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: is a bandit? Oh yeah, I mean she He is

908
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: now the supreme bandit, which is really what being a

909
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: warlord is. You know. He tries to take Shanghai in

910
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: sort of late nine, but another warlord gets there first

911
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: and they do this really awkward dance or both of

912
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: them occupy parts of the city, and everyone in Shanghai

913
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: is like, oh God, they're going to fight a battle here.

914
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: Please go fight somewhere else, don't destroy the prestis city.

915
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: And so eventually, like this winds up involving a bunch

916
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: of foreign governments and there's this huge set in negotiations

917
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: and eventually the two warlords workout in agreement where they're

918
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: both gonna pull out of the city. Now, the other

919
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: warlord abides by the agreement, pulls his army out. Jong

920
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: just doesn't leave. He just stays there. And occupies the city.

921
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: And you know, it says several months in the n

922
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: he finally gets in order to leave Shanghai, but he's

923
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: only he's only sort of convinced to leave the city

924
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: after he's given full control of his home problem with

925
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: to Shendong, as well as the really frankly delightful title

926
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: that we should bring act banded extermination Commander. Yeah, yeah,

927
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: he gets at for like a couple of other provinces,

928
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: and and it's it's in this moment as he as

929
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: he sort of takes Shanghai and it's given control of

930
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: his own province of Shandong, that he really becomes the

931
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: dog meat general. Now, Chong was never like the best dude,

932
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: even before he was given absolute power over an entire

933
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: province and an enormous funk off army. I mean, you know,

934
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: to reproprise the old Antie Nixon song power Corrups. We

935
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: know that by heart, but you have to admit Jong

936
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: had a head start, and just just the moment she

937
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: takes real power, she goes wild. And one of the

938
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: immediate products of this is he just starts collecting just

939
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: this unbelievable pile of nicknames. His most famous is Ko

940
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: joan Jing, or the dog Meat General, a title he

941
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: gains because of his reputation for playing a Chinese gambling

942
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: aim once like Domino based, and for some indescribable reason,

943
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: people of Manchuria called this game eating dog meat. I

944
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: don't know why this is. Like, the best I can

945
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: come up with is that one of the words kind

946
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: of sounds like dog who knows now now Confusingly, I've

947
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: also seen claims that he did actually eat dog meat

948
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: because he thought it would make it more virile. But sure, yeah,

949
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: but you know, the sourcing on this is not great

950
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: and and it's it has no relation to why he's

951
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: called the dog Meat General. So I just to make

952
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: it clear, He's called the dog Meat General because this

953
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: dude he spends so much time gambling. Like half the

954
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: descriptions of him that you read are just like from

955
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: some diplomat or from like some high society person just

956
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: ran into him at a gambling den. Now I'm just

957
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: gonna read out his list of the rest of his nicknames,

958
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: because like lordal Money, this dude has more nicknames than

959
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: any other person I've ever heard of. Okay, his nicknames

960
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: the tiger, big Tongue, blue Sky, the Dragon. We we

961
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: gotta have to take a second here. Why why half

962
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: of these? I have no idea, Like it's really weird.

963
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: He just every every source has like a different thing

964
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: of nicknames. Um, yeah, well we'll, we'll, we'll explain some

965
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: of them. He's yeah, he has the Dragon. I think

966
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: the Dragon is because he has this like the the

967
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: I don't know he he has he has some sort

968
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: of complicated relationship to the Dragon Emperor that we're who's

969
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: a mythological figure. We're gonna get you in a little bit. Um,

970
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: he's called the start start that list again, the Tiger,

971
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: big Tongue, Blue Sky, the Dragon, the red bearded Bandits,

972
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: the Monster, the Linky, the lanky General, the three doesn't knows,

973
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: war Lord seventy two, cannon Jong, the general with three

974
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: long legs, old and the long leg General. Yeah, okay,

975
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna get that part in the second. But so

976
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: his his second moments from those nickname Yeah, okay, you know, well,

977
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: well we'll we'll, we'll, we'll do this, okay, so old

978
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: eighties six that one. Yeah, so as you've gathered three

979
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: of these are the last three these ones are just

980
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: about his dick. Um old eighties six is the most

981
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: interesting one because supposedly it's because this dick is as

982
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: long as a stack of eighties six Mexican silver pastos.

983
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Now that that just in brings up so

984
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: many questions because we're again in China, So, okay, is

985
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: the paso anyone's go to for the size of the

986
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: sky still so so. Mexican silver pasos have long been

987
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: used in hard currency in China, dating back to the hundreds,

988
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: when the Ming's instatable demand for silver formed the base

989
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: of the Being currency system. That results in them importing

990
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: a huge amount of the silver that that's that's removed

991
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: from Spanish control of minds in Latin America. So yeah,

992
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: Being dynasty. Uh, they do great things for quality of life,

993
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: are also kind of responsible for all of the genocides

994
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: in Latin America. Not great, Yeah, well yeah, I mean

995
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: it should to be fair, they didn't know where it

996
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: was coming from, but yeah, they just needed to measure

997
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: people's dicks. Yeah yeah, And you know, as sort of

998
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: various currencies collapsing the Warlord period, people keep using Mexican

999
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: silver like pasos as coins are just worth their weight

1000
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: in silver. I'm I'm just I'm still I'm still working

1001
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: through in my head the Wow, the boss has a

1002
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: huge dick. Hey, get some of that silver. I want

1003
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: I want to I want to figure out exactly how

1004
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: this dick shakes out in Paso so So. One of

1005
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: my one of my friends, who has experienced with Mexican

1006
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: coins from this period, calculated that a six Paso stack

1007
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: on top of each other means that this dude's dick

1008
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: is eight point eight inches long. Yeah, and you know,

1009
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: this is this is the kind of thing that like

1010
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: you'd expect Okay, this is like the kind of myth

1011
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: making you'd expect to get from warlords. But like stunning Lee,

1012
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: this like seems to be true. Yeah, I mean eight

1013
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: eight point six inches. If we're if he was like, yeah,

1014
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: he's got like a fourteen fifteen inch dick, I'd be like, Okay,

1015
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: well this sounds like some some raspute and nonsense. But

1016
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: eight point six is like, yeah, it's pretty good sized dick.

1017
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: But that's not like we're not talking outside of the

1018
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: realm of possibility here, especially for a dude as big

1019
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: as this. Eight point six inches for a near seven

1020
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: feet is just kind of like, yeah, that sounds like

1021
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: it sounds about right. Yeah, and he you know, as

1022
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: as as as you guess this dude just fox all

1023
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: the time. Yes, I I had gathered that from his nicknames.

1024
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the tongue one is about fucking two. Yeah,

1025
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: I think so. Um there's another one that's like famous,

1026
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: which is about the three doesn't know his general, which

1027
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: is because so his his most famous quote is that

1028
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't know how many he doesn't know how many

1029
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: troops he has, he doesn't know how much money he has,

1030
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: and he doesn't know how many women is having sex

1031
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: with it any given moments. It's the most warlord ship ever.

1032
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not making being a warlords sound like

1033
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: a bad gig. Yeah, you know. And this this, this

1034
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: seems like as good a time as any to mention

1035
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: that this is the period where John starts traveling around

1036
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: with special train cars for his forty two concubines, the

1037
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: names of which he just didn't know and thus her

1038
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: for Yeah, yeah, you're a war lord. I don't expect

1039
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: you to know anyone's name. Yeah, you know, you know

1040
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: so So, contrary to Young, I spent a pretty good

1041
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: amount of time trying to figure out who these women were,

1042
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: and there's just there's just like a really depressing lack

1043
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: of interest in his women's lives, just like across the

1044
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: whole academic literature. What I was able to find out

1045
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: about them was that half of them are Russians who

1046
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: came with the White Army, and the rest of them

1047
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: are either sort of Chinese, Japanese, are American, but we

1048
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: don't really know how John got his hands on them.

1049
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: These are a foreign yeah yeah, and that that's like

1050
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: one of the big things that all of the sort

1051
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: of like media people pick up on and it's like, wow,

1052
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: he has like white prostitute and it's like okay, oh yeah,

1053
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure that makes the news back in New York.

1054
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,479
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Now, it's possible that some of these people

1055
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: have been sex workers in Shanghai, but it's also possible

1056
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: that Jong's troops and the white Russians do this literally

1057
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: all the time, just literally grabbed them off the street

1058
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: at random. Because you know, if if there's this, we're

1059
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: starting to get at the downside of the boiler period,

1060
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: which is that like, yeah, so if you're like a woman,

1061
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: like a woman in the street of China, someone can

1062
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: just like grab you off the street and you're concubine now.

1063
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: But you know, and what I think is really depressing

1064
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: about this, this is like like we don't know what

1065
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: the relationship to him was. Um, all of the sources

1066
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: they don't even agree as to like like half of

1067
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: the sources called them concubines and half of them call

1068
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: them wives, and like we don't know if they they're

1069
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: against their will, we don't know if they're getting paid.

1070
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: We just we don't know anything about them. And it's

1071
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: extremely frustrating, especially because chong Hers have had kids with

1072
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: some of these women, but we don't know what happened

1073
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: to them. We don't know what happened to the women.

1074
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: We don't have to the kids, and you know, and

1075
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other very weird stuff here. I

1076
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: saw some evidence that some of the dudes that John

1077
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: was sleeping with for men, which implies it like he's

1078
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: by But again, this is one of those I mean,

1079
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: they're also when you're that kind of powerful person, it's

1080
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: almost less about sexuality and more about just like power,

1081
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: like you just fun people because they can't not fuck

1082
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: you because you're the warlord. I think that is some

1083
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: of these dudes like it's almost not worth kind of

1084
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: trying to box them into a sexual category. It's kind

1085
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: of like how rape is less about sex than about

1086
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: power for this kind of person who power is everything

1087
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: for it's just like he can he just sucks. Yeah,

1088
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: And and there's a sort of interesting consequence of this,

1089
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: which is that like if you look at like John's life,

1090
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: he kind of just turns into this just like like

1091
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: physical embodiment of structural of forces. It's like, okay, so

1092
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: like what is the patriarchy? Right, It's like, well, here

1093
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: is this dude whose whole thing is that he like

1094
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: he literally physically reduces women to numbers. And you get

1095
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: this with sort of in various different ways, with like

1096
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: state violence, like the banking system, where like a lot

1097
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: of what Jong sort of reveals is that it's just

1098
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: all of these systems are just a dude with a

1099
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: lot of guns. And if you yeah, you know, if

1100
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: you just give, we're watching ship go down in Gaza

1101
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: right now. All of the systems today are still just

1102
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: dudes with guns and dress it up more and less. Yeah. Well, really,

1103
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: the only difference between it is is the amount of

1104
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: legitimacy you have mm hm And yeah, you know, this

1105
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: legitimacy problem is like, this is a big thing for

1106
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: all the warlords, and Jong just doesn't try to solve it,

1107
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: which is what makes the unique. Everyone else is doing

1108
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: this like oh I do I plant gardens, I I

1109
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: do public works, and John is just like nah, I'm

1110
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: just gonna have fun. Ok. Yeah. You know the consequence

1111
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: of this, though, is while while John's like jet sitting

1112
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: around with a train full of like maybe sex slaves,

1113
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: what's happening in Shendong the provinces just been hand to

1114
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: control over is oh boy? Um, so some of it

1115
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: is pretty funny, Like so when when he leaves his

1116
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: office every day when he's in Shendong, he he has

1117
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: like all the streets cleared, and then he has a

1118
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: bunch of people like sprinkle clean water on the road

1119
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: to prepare prepare, like prepared for him to walk on,

1120
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: which is just like this is some great petty dictator

1121
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: ship like this. And he also, you know, he does

1122
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: the thing a lot of your getters do, which is

1123
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: he starts issuing his own paper currency. Hell yeah, hell

1124
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: he has his face on it. Well, so this is

1125
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: why I couldn't find much about it because and the

1126
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: reason is for this is she just gets bored of

1127
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: it and stops printing it, and then after that she

1128
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: starts making everyone's military staffs his money. Oh man, I

1129
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, I'm on board with of this guy everything,

1130
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: but the probable rape, Like yeah, you know, and I

1131
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: think this is this is this is what puts him

1132
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: like the fact that he's not using his own currency,

1133
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: that he's using military stamps. This is like what puts

1134
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: him like a tier above the rest of the world lords,

1135
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: because the rest of the warlords just like whatever, I'll

1136
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: print my own money. But John's like, okay, so these

1137
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: stamps are made in Manchuria, which means I don't have

1138
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: to pay for them, I just get set them. So

1139
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: so if if I use these stamps his money, I

1140
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: don't have to like spend the money to like make

1141
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: your own fake paper currency. Hey look, you don't. You

1142
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: don't get an army, lose an army and then get

1143
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: another army, and then lose another army and then get

1144
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: another army unless you're pragmatic. And you know, we can

1145
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: we can see some examples as pragmatism. So there's a

1146
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: there's a famous story of like, at one point a merchant.

1147
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: It's just like these are stamps. This is not money.

1148
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: So John has a dude taken out of his shop,

1149
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: beaten and shot, which, you know, funnily enough, this is

1150
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: how states forced originally forced people to use money, and

1151
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: it like worked because yeah, it's like money is the

1152
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: thing that like when when the state asked you for it,

1153
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: you have to give them give it to them. Yeah. Yeah,

1154
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: and he also so the other one thing he starts

1155
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: doing in this period is he starts going to banks

1156
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: and just like pulling out guns and telling them to

1157
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: give him loans, which yeah, that's I mean, look, I

1158
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: am currently in the process of wanting to buy a house,

1159
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: but a lifetime of shit credit is making that difficult,

1160
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: and I might do the same thing. That seems like

1161
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea. This is one of his best ideas.

1162
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: And it's great because I will pay the loan, but

1163
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: I am going to get it at gunpoint fucking credit. Yes, absolutely, Yeah,

1164
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: they are funny play about this. So there's like a

1165
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: bunch of banks in Shendong that have been open for

1166
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: like like like a lot, like a couple of hundred years,

1167
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: and she drives like six of them out of business

1168
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: because he just like takes all of their money and loans. Unfortunately,

1169
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: now we have to come to the really bad stuff. Yeah,

1170
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, we've been having fun, but oh boy, I

1171
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: hate it when people do this to me because I

1172
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: normally do this to people. Yea, and only techis like

1173
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: fourteen pages. Yeah. So one of the most famous accounts

1174
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: of what's happening in chang Ndong from this period comes

1175
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: from a guy named Joseph Stillwell, who Okay, I need

1176
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: to mention the outset. Still Will enormous racist, huge piece

1177
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: of shit. Um, he's a white guy in China in

1178
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: this period. Yeah, naturally Yeah, but like naturally be because

1179
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: he's incredibly racist and a piece of ship. He goes

1180
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: on to be an incredibly important American general in World

1181
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: War Two who fights in the like the China and

1182
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: India theater. So that's great. He's like still beloved in

1183
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: the US for reasons. But you know, his accounts, his

1184
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: account of it like matches with other stuff I've seen,

1185
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: so I saw i'd start with that. So so still

1186
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: Will's there, Still Wills in Shandong in and what what

1187
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: he describes is the huge swass the population made homeless

1188
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: by war huddling together desperately in packed city streets without

1189
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: even a tent. The shelt of them at night, bodies

1190
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: begin to pile up on the streets, but there's no

1191
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: one to take them away, and the corpses stayed where

1192
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: they fell as famine ravaged the province. Shown solution, if

1193
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: it could be called that, to this problem of famine

1194
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: is industrial waste. So one of Manchuria's chief exports in

1195
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: this period were soybean cakes, which is it's basically like

1196
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: it's it's a bunch of massive soybean that's been smashed together.

1197
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: And I want to say at the outset, so when

1198
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: I call these cakes, right, these are cakes in the

1199
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: sense that like cakes a uranium or cakes, like they're

1200
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: not food. This this is a this is an industrial product.

1201
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: And you know what you do of them with them

1202
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: is that you you know, you shipped you shipped them

1203
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: somewhere else and then you squeeze the oil out of them.

1204
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: And that that oil is used to make like it's

1205
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: is using like a number of like important industrial processes.

1206
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: And what at least behind is this even worse like

1207
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: quote unquote cake, that's it's it's waste materially people use

1208
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: it as fertilizer or somethings use it to feed pigs.

1209
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: And this is what Jong starts to import from Manchuria

1210
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: and used to feed the refugees. Yeah, like I need

1211
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: to reiterate this. This is not food. This is an

1212
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: industrial waste product. It's edible in the sense that it

1213
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: will fill your stomach and temporarily stop hunger payings without

1214
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: actually providing you with nutrition. And and it might just

1215
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: poison you because again, like the usons are being just

1216
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: taken from a factory, right like you know, and this

1217
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: is this is this is what's happening to people that

1218
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: he's trying to help, the people that he's not trying

1219
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: to help. So I think that the best way to

1220
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: sort of understand how brutal his army is in this

1221
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: period is that everywhere his army goes, it starts to

1222
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: change the leg the language of the provinces, because every

1223
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: time they find a new way to murder someone, it

1224
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: gets popular, like people have to comp with a new

1225
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: term for it. So for example, one of the one

1226
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: of the things in the beginning of this is there

1227
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: there's an expression that becomes popular called to cut apart

1228
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: to catch the light, which means like taking a skull,

1229
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: splitting it into and like exposing the inside of it

1230
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: to the sun. Yeah, and you know, but the thing

1231
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: is like that that that you know, you you split,

1232
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: you split enough skull s, it's like okay, whatever, And

1233
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: so the strips get bored. And when they got forward

1234
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: that account with another one, which is they would split

1235
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: schools in half, like fully clean in half, and then

1236
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: they'd find a telephone poll that's like connected by a

1237
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: wire further telephone pole, and they'd hang the skulls on

1238
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: each end of the telephone pole, at opposite ends of

1239
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: the wire, with their ears like pressed up to the

1240
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: to the things that looked like they were listening to

1241
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: the telephone. And this becomes so widespread the phrase he

1242
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: had been made to listen to the telephone becomes like

1243
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: another popular expression in the province. Jesus, that's dark. Yeah,

1244
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: it's you know. This whole ring of terror became known

1245
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: as the steel sword policy after Drang's policy of just

1246
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: decapitating his political opponents and splitting their heads with swords.

1247
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: And when I say that was pretty straightforward, but you

1248
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: know when I say this is his policy, right, I

1249
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: mean he is literally personally doing this, like he is

1250
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: the guy holding the sword shopping people's skulls open action. Yeah, yeah,

1251
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: and you know, and when when you when when you're

1252
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: when when you're six ft seven and you have a

1253
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: bunch of really sharp swords, like yeah, you can. Mean again,

1254
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: he's making a lot of calls I too would make

1255
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: in his situation. And there's you know, there's, there's there's

1256
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 1: and I think I think you will also appreciate this

1257
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: one as a member of the press. So very early

1258
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 1: on when he first started takes power, uh, one of

1259
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: the earliest instances that said the steel sword policies, there's

1260
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: an editor of a newspaper who like publishes an article

1261
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: criticizing him. Yeah. Yeah, so John has the newspaper editor

1262
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: dragged out of his office and shot in the street,

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01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: and then like you know, after that, all the newspapers

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Speaker 1: sort of stopped criticizing him. Now, and I should mention this,

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01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: what John and his men are doing here is not

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: just random violence. John has the same legit legitimacy problem

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01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: that every other warlord does, and his solution to essentially

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01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: just to cut the gory and not and kill anyone

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01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: who opposes him in ways. So public and so violent

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Speaker 1: that no one would ever dared do it again. And

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01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,799
Speaker 1: this has a devastating effect on the population in Shandong.

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Speaker 1: The effects of constant warfare, bandits, droughts, and locusts, combined

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Speaker 1: with the sheer brutality of John's extraction to wealth to

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Speaker 1: leave four to nine million people like including my family,

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Speaker 1: by the way, who are who are in this problems?

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01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: In the period on the brink of starvation, which luckily

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Speaker 1: that part's not red, you know, but you know, to

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: have a family connection to a story, Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: discovered it in the middle of and like we we

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01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: have some records from that period, and I was like,

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01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going to read these, like I'm just not. Yeah,

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01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: it seems like it would be pretty yeah. Yeah. And

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01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: so while while the masses ate fertilizer to stay alive,

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01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: John was partying with an endless succession of local sycophants.

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01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: He left as every word for a chance to turn

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01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: the chunk of his favor into a chunk of his

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01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,879
Speaker 1: stolen wealth. It was gambl fucking constantly, just completely wasted

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01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: literally all the time, Like driving around with this person

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01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: personalized Belgian dining set in his personalized training with a

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01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: bunch of women taken from like who knows where exactly

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01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: the absolute time of his life. Yeah, And that that's

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Speaker 1: the image I'm going to leave you with today, Chong

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Speaker 1: Zong Chung living out as wildest, Yeah, while the people

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Speaker 1: of China died in droves around him. And in part two,

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01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna see what happens when an increasingly out of

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01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: touch ruling class leases people to die in birddhism in

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01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: the streets where they protest, because in part two, those

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01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: ordinary people are going to start to fight back. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's your brother. It was off the internet for a while.

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Speaker 1: Look ah well, Chris, this has been a great episode. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm still more on this guy's side than not because

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01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: I love me a warlord. Um, And it sounds like

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01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: he's doing he's doing the right thing right, He's he's

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01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: living it up, committing horrible crimes against humanity, drunk off

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01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: his ass, just just just being a being a king

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01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: about it. So, I don't know, I'm excited to see

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Speaker 1: where this guy goes. Yeah, ye, do you have any

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01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: plauables to plug? Yes? So I guess I'm I'm at

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Speaker 1: me c h R three or since be destroyed, dude,

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Um, yeah, I have a substack called the

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Speaker 1: Long twenty one century, which I swear I do occasionally

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Speaker 1: post to it. And then I'm also not a turf Yeah, great, great,

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Speaker 1: all right, well we will be back with more of

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Speaker 1: this guy and more um of of of horrible war crimes.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess more horrible war crimes, Chris. Yeah, if anything,

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01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: they get worse. Yeah, well check in for that. And remember,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna be a warlord, you kind of got

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Speaker 1: to go all the way. M hm